(313) Waves was Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
you know what, i've always thought the use of the term 'waves' when talking about detroit techno was a bit wrong headed and i'd not figured out why i've thought this until now... the problems i have with this are that firstly i've always thought that the wave thing was used by people who had heard of Tofflers work but hadn't read it (but knew that it had some bearing on detroit techno) and more importantly, and the idea of the one wave mix illustrates this, that at any one point the music dj'd by a dj of any particular wave would have been a huge array of music up to that point, so the context of the new 'wave' of music (see i'm using the term now...) would be completely lost. another obvious problem is the fact that a lot of the producers listed in each wave are still going and i'm sure they hate being labelled with waves as it dismisses any new stuff they come up with as 'old-hat' boy do i sound like a grumpy b*d today. still, nice to see music discussion on the list. robin...
Re: (313) Waves was Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
While I agree Robin, I'm not trying to make this into a year zero thing, no point really. What I'm interested in doing is getting a good list together of the players, doing a mix of the tunes and adding some biog info. We could always do a mix of tunes that influenced the first wave, there's plenty of references points and I know there's a couple of the early players lurking on the list, should be to hard. And if we through in a copy of Dan's book and a couple of articles for good measure, it should make it easy for people to get into the History and therefore push the present into the future. Alan is defo first wave in my book, he played tunes of techno on his radio show back in the day so I'd place in the first wave for this reason. I think we should include people who also made a difference, not just DJ/Musicians but people who supported the movement. 25/7/03 9:46 AM robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] you know what, i've always thought the use of the term 'waves' when talking about detroit techno was a bit wrong headed and i'd not figured out why i've thought this until now... the problems i have with this are that firstly i've always thought that the wave thing was used by people who had heard of Tofflers work but hadn't read it (but knew that it had some bearing on detroit techno) and more importantly, and the idea of the one wave mix illustrates this, that at any one point the music dj'd by a dj of any particular wave would have been a huge array of music up to that point, so the context of the new 'wave' of music (see i'm using the term now...) would be completely lost. another obvious problem is the fact that a lot of the producers listed in each wave are still going and i'm sure they hate being labelled with waves as it dismisses any new stuff they come up with as 'old-hat' boy do i sound like a grumpy b*d today. still, nice to see music discussion on the list. robin...
Re: (313) Waves was Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
hi martin, don't get me the wrong way, i think history of this stuff is very important and sometimes it's good to have this stuff down in a way that isn't jounalism with an agenda (see blogs stuff etc). i like the way you're headed with this tho. i'm complaining about waves in the same way i complain about genres, and microgenresi use em, as we all do, but it doesn't stop me thinking they prevent a certain creativity... (it's a mistaking the menu for the meal situation for me) peace robin... While I agree Robin, I'm not trying to make this into a year zero thing, no point really. What I'm interested in doing is getting a good list together of the players, doing a mix of the tunes and adding some biog info. We could always do a mix of tunes that influenced the first wave, there's plenty of references points and I know there's a couple of the early players lurking on the list, should be to hard. And if we through in a copy of Dan's book and a couple of articles for good measure, it should make it easy for people to get into the History and therefore push the present into the future.
Re: (313) Waves was Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
Yeah, the whole wave thing is a tad confusing, maybe we should put mixes yeah..i think i am with robin on the waves thing...but more mixes/comps would be cool yes ;P kinda like retakes on the original Techno comps, 10+ years later, which is not a bad idea at all...for those who like history :P (aka classics ! haha) On the question of BS, well - how else to you get someone to read your blog without kicking off about something or getting something wonderfully wrong. haha good point..altho i do get what he's saying about some music being so reverential that it doesnt push things forward much, tho i dunno if i would use the word reduction...not everyone is an originator/innovator :P this is really such a typical notion of techno fans (and many producers..), techno has to keep progressing and new styles and blah blah blah, but i think innovation is highly overrated. its important but only as an afterthought, y'know just basic unique ideas and expressions, creativity are whats most important to any music imo, it's what leads to innovation i guess..it's a natural process, but its not natural to expect innovation at every turn...and besides, legacy is important...without all that stuff he writes off as reduction, b12, terrace, etc etc...i mean that stuff -- and detroit-influenced stuff in general -- plays/played an important part in building upon the detroit myth, and in keeping the sound alive and current/fresh etc...without that dialogue happening, all you have is time-compartmentalized (issat a word?) music, which is a shame and against the spirit of music to begin with imo...some people's tastes change, are more impatient than others' i guess...yeah anyways...bad idea to write this early in am haha jt _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: (313) Waves was Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
Yeah, the whole wave thing is a tad confusing, maybe we should put mixes yeah..i think i am with robin on the waves thing...but more mixes/comps would be cool yes ;P kinda like retakes on the original Techno comps, 10+ years later, which is not a bad idea at all...for those who like history :P (aka classics ! haha) yeah we need someone to make a compilation of properly licensed older music (that'll never get proper represses) before the bootleggers beat em to it... :) robin...
RE: (313) Waves was Re: (313) 29 Detroit 12s
Robin: yeah we need someone to make a compilation of properly licensed older music (that'll never get proper represses) before the bootleggers beat em to it... :) ack, where's Neil Rushton when you need him? ;) Rob
