RE: (313) plastikman live?
the live set at the picnik was ctually Troy Pierce (M-nus/Run Stop Restore) herbert played soem great records On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, LR T wrote: I will preface this by saying that personally, I loved it but many others were highly dissapointed and thought it was a disaster. I totally did not get that at all. My impressions Musically I thought it was great. For me it was really special to see him up there, surrounded by lots o' gear, constantly tweaking knobs and hearing his tracks come out. Lots of tracks from Closer. You would hear a very recognizable loop and then he would sort of deconstruct it or add on to it, making it almost a brand new track yet still retain the same flavor. He would kind of weave in and out of them. The overall performance lacked some oomph if that makes sense. The visuals were sort of dissapointing. They had hyped it up to be this amazing sound and visual experience. Supposedly the technical problems were pretty substantial. He went on about two hours late. There was talk that he hadn't run through a thorough sound check once everything was set up at the venue. Who knows? It was a cool venue, great sound, and nice vibe. I left satisfied. Props to the Mutek crew for putting on a great festival. The events all ran pretty smoothly. One of the highlights was the Piknik Elektronic. An outdoor party on Sunday afternoon in a beautiful park overlooking the river and downtown Montreal with suprise sets from Magda and a live PA from Herbert. All for $5.00 nonetheless! my .02 Lara From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) plastikman live? Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:53:54 -0400 well??? :) -Joe _ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up ? now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/
Re: (313) plastikman live?
anyone catch smith and hack? I'd really like to catch a live act by them, although some of the errorsmith live stuff I have is somewhat gutwrenching - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LR T [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:41 PM Subject: RE: (313) plastikman live? the live set at the picnik was ctually Troy Pierce (M-nus/Run Stop Restore) herbert played soem great records On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, LR T wrote: I will preface this by saying that personally, I loved it but many others were highly dissapointed and thought it was a disaster. I totally did not get that at all. My impressions Musically I thought it was great. For me it was really special to see him up there, surrounded by lots o' gear, constantly tweaking knobs and hearing his tracks come out. Lots of tracks from Closer. You would hear a very recognizable loop and then he would sort of deconstruct it or add on to it, making it almost a brand new track yet still retain the same flavor. He would kind of weave in and out of them. The overall performance lacked some oomph if that makes sense. The visuals were sort of dissapointing. They had hyped it up to be this amazing sound and visual experience. Supposedly the technical problems were pretty substantial. He went on about two hours late. There was talk that he hadn't run through a thorough sound check once everything was set up at the venue. Who knows? It was a cool venue, great sound, and nice vibe. I left satisfied. Props to the Mutek crew for putting on a great festival. The events all ran pretty smoothly. One of the highlights was the Piknik Elektronic. An outdoor party on Sunday afternoon in a beautiful park overlooking the river and downtown Montreal with suprise sets from Magda and a live PA from Herbert. All for $5.00 nonetheless! my .02 Lara From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) plastikman live? Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:53:54 -0400 well??? :) -Joe _ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up – now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/
RE: (313) plastikman live?
I will preface this by saying that personally, I loved it but many others were highly dissapointed and thought it was a disaster. I totally did not get that at all. My impressions Musically I thought it was great. For me it was really special to see him up there, surrounded by lots o' gear, constantly tweaking knobs and hearing his tracks come out. Lots of tracks from Closer. You would hear a very recognizable loop and then he would sort of deconstruct it or add on to it, making it almost a brand new track yet still retain the same flavor. He would kind of weave in and out of them. The overall performance lacked some oomph if that makes sense. The visuals were sort of dissapointing. They had hyped it up to be this amazing sound and visual experience. Supposedly the technical problems were pretty substantial. He went on about two hours late. There was talk that he hadn't run through a thorough sound check once everything was set up at the venue. Who knows? It was a cool venue, great sound, and nice vibe. I left satisfied. Props to the Mutek crew for putting on a great festival. The events all ran pretty smoothly. One of the highlights was the Piknik Elektronic. An outdoor party on Sunday afternoon in a beautiful park overlooking the river and downtown Montreal with suprise sets from Magda and a live PA from Herbert. All for $5.00 nonetheless! my .02 Lara From: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) plastikman live? Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:53:54 -0400 well??? :) -Joe _ Get fast, reliable Internet access with MSN 9 Dial-up now 3 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/
(313) plastikman live?
well??? :) -Joe
(313) Plastikman live show @ Mutek, Canada - wow
PLASTIKMAN LIVE SHOW TO UNVEIL UNPRECEDENTED TECHNOLOGIES AT MUTEK Windsor, ON May 13, 2004 - Up until now, Richie Hawtin and his production team for the Plastikman Live show at Mutek 2004 have kept a very tight lid on the technology being developed for the show. They have begun lifting the curtain on a set of technological advances that will alter the course of how electronic music can be performed in a live scenario. The performance will involve Hawtin's manipulation and control of multiple tracks of digital and analog audio, real time generation of a High Definition (HD) visual system, drum machines, synthesizers, effects and lights. The Show/The Festival The event will take place June 4, 2004 in Montreal, Canada as the opening event to this year's Mutek festival (www.mutek.ca). It will be the first live performance of Plastikman material since 1995. The performances from that era, Glastonbury, the Fuk tour, etc, have gone down in the annals of electronic music history. The Mutek performance will be the only Plastikman live in North America. The Music Hawtin has resampled and re-arranged all of the Plastikman material dating back to the first Plastikman release, Sheet One (Plus 8/Novamute) from 1993. The entire catalogue is going to be reworked and performed live on stage, using a combination of classic machines and new software to meld old and new material into unique improvised mixes. Working in the studio, Hawtin has experimented with combinations of classic Plastikman material from Musik (Plus 8/Novamute), Consumed (Minus/Novamute), along with the new material from Closer (Minus/Novamute/Paperbag). The Gear Hawtin has designed and built an entirely custom MIDI controller incorporating the features and power of 5 MIDI devices into one. This unit, the CTRL LIVE, will give Hawtin full real-time control over 128 parameters of audio, video, lighting, and effects simultaneously. For additional MIDI control, Hawtin will use an unreleased surface controller developed by Tactex. The units use the same technology the company developed for the Canadian Space Arm. The MIDI system will work with one Apple G5 audio computer, as well as two massive, industrial custom-built 3D graphics and video PCs, multiple drum machines, analog and digital synthesizers and a host of analog and digital effects units. Hawtin will mix all audio using two Allen Heath 14x4x2 Mix Wizards on stage. The Software Several of the most advanced performance-software developers have created breakthrough features in their software for the Plastikman show. Ableton has created a special MIDI output feature in their nearly ubiquitous Live program that allows Hawtin to send detailed data to every connected instrument, locking every element together to a degree that had previously been unavailable. New features in Ableton Live also allow Hawtin to navigate his compositions through the CTRL LIVE device with amazing speed and dexterity. Toronto-based Derivative has developed a custom-designed real-time animation and video sequencing environment for the Plastikman performance. Using their Touch software, Derivative has also programmed MIDI sync modules to lock the visual effects to Ableton Live, as well as custom software interface for the CTRL LIVE control surface. The Images Touch will synthesize real-time generative High Definition (HD) quality moving images. The material has been developed in collaboration with an international team of video artists, designers and animators. Ali Mahmut Demirel, who directed the video for Plastikman's Disconnect single, based in Ankara, Turkey has shot hours of new material to be used in Touch. Crush Inc, based in Toronto, has designed 3D animations, and motion graphics. Honest, based in New York City has developed morphing graphics, video images and more. Jeffers Egan has developed real-time video environments and moving images. Information is available at www.plastikman.com and www.mutek.ca # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
RE: (313) Plastikman live show @ Mutek, Canada - wow
He left out this: 1 wind machine 1 full orchestra 1 silver cape -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:00 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Plastikman live show @ Mutek, Canada - wow PLASTIKMAN LIVE SHOW TO UNVEIL UNPRECEDENTED TECHNOLOGIES AT MUTEK Windsor, ON May 13, 2004 - Up until now, Richie Hawtin and his production team for the Plastikman Live show at Mutek 2004 have kept a very tight lid on the technology being developed for the show. They have begun lifting the curtain on a set of technological advances that will alter the course of how electronic music can be performed in a live scenario. The performance will involve Hawtin's manipulation and control of multiple tracks of digital and analog audio, real time generation of a High Definition (HD) visual system, drum machines, synthesizers, effects and lights. The Show/The Festival The event will take place June 4, 2004 in Montreal, Canada as the opening event to this year's Mutek festival (www.mutek.ca). It will be the first live performance of Plastikman material since 1995. The performances from that era, Glastonbury, the Fuk tour, etc, have gone down in the annals of electronic music history. The Mutek performance will be the only Plastikman live in North America. The Music Hawtin has resampled and re-arranged all of the Plastikman material dating back to the first Plastikman release, Sheet One (Plus 8/Novamute) from 1993. The entire catalogue is going to be reworked and performed live on stage, using a combination of classic machines and new software to meld old and new material into unique improvised mixes. Working in the studio, Hawtin has experimented with combinations of classic Plastikman material from Musik (Plus 8/Novamute), Consumed (Minus/Novamute), along with the new material from Closer (Minus/Novamute/Paperbag). The Gear Hawtin has designed and built an entirely custom MIDI controller incorporating the features and power of 5 MIDI devices into one. This unit, the CTRL LIVE, will give Hawtin full real-time control over 128 parameters of audio, video, lighting, and effects simultaneously. For additional MIDI control, Hawtin will use an unreleased surface controller developed by Tactex. The units use the same technology the company developed for the Canadian Space Arm. The MIDI system will work with one Apple G5 audio computer, as well as two massive, industrial custom-built 3D graphics and video PCs, multiple drum machines, analog and digital synthesizers and a host of analog and digital effects units. Hawtin will mix all audio using two Allen Heath 14x4x2 Mix Wizards on stage. The Software Several of the most advanced performance-software developers have created breakthrough features in their software for the Plastikman show. Ableton has created a special MIDI output feature in their nearly ubiquitous Live program that allows Hawtin to send detailed data to every connected instrument, locking every element together to a degree that had previously been unavailable. New features in Ableton Live also allow Hawtin to navigate his compositions through the CTRL LIVE device with amazing speed and dexterity. Toronto-based Derivative has developed a custom-designed real-time animation and video sequencing environment for the Plastikman performance. Using their Touch software, Derivative has also programmed MIDI sync modules to lock the visual effects to Ableton Live, as well as custom software interface for the CTRL LIVE control surface. The Images Touch will synthesize real-time generative High Definition (HD) quality moving images. The material has been developed in collaboration with an international team of video artists, designers and animators. Ali Mahmut Demirel, who directed the video for Plastikman's Disconnect single, based in Ankara, Turkey has shot hours of new material to be used in Touch. Crush Inc, based in Toronto, has designed 3D animations, and motion graphics. Honest, based in New York City has developed morphing graphics, video images and more. Jeffers Egan has developed real-time video environments and moving images. Information is available at www.plastikman.com and www.mutek.ca # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do
RE: (313) Plastikman live show @ Mutek, Canada - wow
Sounds impressive... Unfortuantely, it also conjure up images of Rick Wakeman The Keyboard Octopus buried behind mountains of gear :) Nik Stoltzman Cabot Communications Ltd Complete The Digital Picture Tel: +44 117 943 0227 Fax: +44 117 958 4168 Robert Taylor[EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/05/2004 13:01:42 He left out this: 1 wind machine 1 full orchestra 1 silver cape -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 12:00 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Plastikman live show @ Mutek, Canada - wow PLASTIKMAN LIVE SHOW TO UNVEIL UNPRECEDENTED TECHNOLOGIES AT MUTEK Windsor, ON May 13, 2004 - Up until now, Richie Hawtin and his production team for the Plastikman Live show at Mutek 2004 have kept a very tight lid on the technology being developed for the show. They have begun lifting the curtain on a set of technological advances that will alter the course of how electronic music can be performed in a live scenario. The performance will involve Hawtin's manipulation and control of multiple tracks of digital and analog audio, real time generation of a High Definition (HD) visual system, drum machines, synthesizers, effects and lights. The Show/The Festival The event will take place June 4, 2004 in Montreal, Canada as the opening event to this year's Mutek festival (www.mutek.ca). It will be the first live performance of Plastikman material since 1995. The performances from that era, Glastonbury, the Fuk tour, etc, have gone down in the annals of electronic music history. The Mutek performance will be the only Plastikman live in North America. The Music Hawtin has resampled and re-arranged all of the Plastikman material dating back to the first Plastikman release, Sheet One (Plus 8/Novamute) from 1993. The entire catalogue is going to be reworked and performed live on stage, using a combination of classic machines and new software to meld old and new material into unique improvised mixes. Working in the studio, Hawtin has experimented with combinations of classic Plastikman material from Musik (Plus 8/Novamute), Consumed (Minus/Novamute), along with the new material from Closer (Minus/Novamute/Paperbag). The Gear Hawtin has designed and built an entirely custom MIDI controller incorporating the features and power of 5 MIDI devices into one. This unit, the CTRL LIVE, will give Hawtin full real-time control over 128 parameters of audio, video, lighting, and effects simultaneously. For additional MIDI control, Hawtin will use an unreleased surface controller developed by Tactex. The units use the same technology the company developed for the Canadian Space Arm. The MIDI system will work with one Apple G5 audio computer, as well as two massive, industrial custom-built 3D graphics and video PCs, multiple drum machines, analog and digital synthesizers and a host of analog and digital effects units. Hawtin will mix all audio using two Allen Heath 14x4x2 Mix Wizards on stage. The Software Several of the most advanced performance-software developers have created breakthrough features in their software for the Plastikman show. Ableton has created a special MIDI output feature in their nearly ubiquitous Live program that allows Hawtin to send detailed data to every connected instrument, locking every element together to a degree that had previously been unavailable. New features in Ableton Live also allow Hawtin to navigate his compositions through the CTRL LIVE device with amazing speed and dexterity. Toronto-based Derivative has developed a custom-designed real-time animation and video sequencing environment for the Plastikman performance. Using their Touch software, Derivative has also programmed MIDI sync modules to lock the visual effects to Ableton Live, as well as custom software interface for the CTRL LIVE control surface. The Images Touch will synthesize real-time generative High Definition (HD) quality moving images. The material has been developed in collaboration with an international team of video artists, designers and animators. Ali Mahmut Demirel, who directed the video for Plastikman's Disconnect single, based in Ankara, Turkey has shot hours of new material to be used in Touch. Crush Inc, based in Toronto, has designed 3D animations, and motion graphics. Honest, based in New York City has developed morphing graphics, video images and more. Jeffers Egan has developed real-time video environments and moving images. Information is available at www.plastikman.com and www.mutek.ca # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received
(313) Plastikman Live date change
Hello people of the Jeff Mills Theo Parrish mailinglist! :) Plastikman's liveset at Mutek will be a worldwide exclusive. Apparently there are no other Plastikman livesets planned anywhere else on this planet (for now :)). Also the date has changed to Friday June 4. Mr. Hawtin will be assisted by Ricardo Villalobos... http://technotourist.org/modules.php? op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=534mode=order=0 KJ
(313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04
Didnt see this posted so here's the info: PRESS RELEASE FIRST PLASTIKMAN LIVE SHOW IN 9 YEARS ANNOUNCED TODAY Windsor, Ontario March 2nd, 2004 Richie Hawtin announced today the first Plastikman live show on plastikman.com. The event will take place June 3rd, 2004 in Montreal, Canada as the opening event to this year’s Mutek festival (mutek.ca). It will be the first live performance of Plastikman material since 1995. Hawtin describes the show as a rare, one-night performance incorporating multiple media with the artist controlling all parameters of the event. As with his DJ sets, he will also involve unprecedented new artistic technologies — all developed and customised for this show. The following entities are partners in producing the show: Mutek — www.mutek.ca http://www.mutek.ca Derivative Inc. — www.derivativeinc.com http://www.derivativeinc.com Crush Inc. — www.crushinc.com http://www.crushinc.com Ableton, AG — www.ableton.com http://www.ableton.com Digidesign — www.digidesign.com http://www.digidesign.com Turkish video artist Ali Mahmut Demirel, who directed the eye-popping video for the ‘Disconnect’ (novamute/Minus) single, as well as new media event producer/curator Kevin McHugh have both contributed to Hawtin’s plans. Previous Plastikman live shows have achieved almost mythic renown. Artists, critics, and fans still talk about performances at Glastonbury Festival, Tribal Gathering, and underground events in Detroit. In the years since, Hawtin has increased his profile as a DJ and producer, constantly updating, innovating and pioneering new technologies. The current Plastikman album ‘Closer’ is out now on novamute/M-nus.
Re: (313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04
anybody seen a plastikman show before? i was all set to go to his gig in brooklyn (in 95?) when he was stopped at the border by the INS and sent back to windsor. is/was it a live p.a. of solely plastikman material or was djing with other tracks? james www.jbucknell.com Ramon Crespo [EMAIL PROTECTED] l.net To 313 313@hyperreal.org 03/03/04 05:12 AM cc Subject (313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04 Didnt see this posted so here's the info: PRESS RELEASE FIRST PLASTIKMAN LIVE SHOW IN 9 YEARS ANNOUNCED TODAY Windsor, Ontario March 2nd, 2004 Richie Hawtin announced today the first Plastikman live show on plastikman.com. The event will take place June 3rd, 2004 in Montreal, Canada as the opening event to this year’s Mutek festival (mutek.ca). It will be the first live performance of Plastikman material since 1995. Hawtin describes the show as a rare, one-night performance incorporating multiple media with the artist controlling all parameters of the event. As with his DJ sets, he will also involve unprecedented new artistic technologies — all developed and customised for this show. The following entities are partners in producing the show: Mutek — www.mutek.ca http://www.mutek.ca Derivative Inc. — www.derivativeinc.com http://www.derivativeinc.com Crush Inc. — www.crushinc.com http://www.crushinc.com Ableton, AG — www.ableton.com http://www.ableton.com Digidesign — www.digidesign.com http://www.digidesign.com Turkish video artist Ali Mahmut Demirel, who directed the eye-popping video for the ‘Disconnect’ (novamute/Minus) single, as well as new media event producer/curator Kevin McHugh have both contributed to Hawtin’s plans. Previous Plastikman live shows have achieved almost mythic renown. Artists, critics, and fans still talk about performances at Glastonbury Festival, Tribal Gathering, and underground events in Detroit. In the years since, Hawtin has increased his profile as a DJ and producer, constantly updating, innovating and pioneering new technologies. The current Plastikman album ‘Closer’ is out now on novamute/M-nus. ForwardSourceID:NT7AD2
Re: (313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04
Spastik(94) and Transcendence(95). The shows were _incredible_ Both were plastikman tracks live followed by 4-6 hour dj sets. I wonder if he will play any of the goo*cough* I mean old plastikman tracks.. :D On Mar 03, 2004, at 00:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anybody seen a plastikman show before? i was all set to go to his gig in brooklyn (in 95?) when he was stopped at the border by the INS and sent back to windsor. is/was it a live p.a. of solely plastikman material or was djing with other tracks? james www.jbucknell.com Ramon Crespo [EMAIL PROTECTED] l.net To 313 313@hyperreal.org 03/03/04 05:12 AM cc Subject (313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04 Didnt see this posted so here's the info: PRESS RELEASE FIRST PLASTIKMAN LIVE SHOW IN 9 YEARS ANNOUNCED TODAY Windsor, Ontario March 2nd, 2004 Richie Hawtin announced today the first Plastikman live show on plastikman.com. The event will take place June 3rd, 2004 in Montreal, Canada as the opening event to this year’s Mutek festival (mutek.ca). It will be the first live performance of Plastikman material since 1995. Hawtin describes the show as a rare, one-night performance incorporating multiple media with the artist controlling all parameters of the event. As with his DJ sets, he will also involve unprecedented new artistic technologies — all developed and customised for this show. The following entities are partners in producing the show: Mutek — www.mutek.ca http://www.mutek.ca Derivative Inc. — www.derivativeinc.com http://www.derivativeinc.com Crush Inc. — www.crushinc.com http://www.crushinc.com Ableton, AG — www.ableton.com http://www.ableton.com Digidesign — www.digidesign.com http://www.digidesign.com Turkish video artist Ali Mahmut Demirel, who directed the eye-popping video for the ‘Disconnect’ (novamute/Minus) single, as well as new media event producer/curator Kevin McHugh have both contributed to Hawtin’s plans. Previous Plastikman live shows have achieved almost mythic renown. Artists, critics, and fans still talk about performances at Glastonbury Festival, Tribal Gathering, and underground events in Detroit. In the years since, Hawtin has increased his profile as a DJ and producer, constantly updating, innovating and pioneering new technologies. The current Plastikman album ‘Closer’ is out now on novamute/M-nus. ForwardSourceID:NT7AD2
Re: (313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04
On Mar 3, 2004, at 12:50 AM, Adam H wrote: Spastik(94) and Transcendence(95). The shows were _incredible_ Both were plastikman tracks live followed by 4-6 hour dj sets. I wonder if he will play any of the goo*cough* I mean old plastikman tracks.. :D hi Adam- I also caught him live for the 1st time in 94 at Spastik in Detroit too (was it really 10 years ago? holy shi*t), but missed Transcendence, which may have been even bigger? Pre-mp3, pre-Traktor, pre-Ableton, it was nearly pre-Clinton for god sake. I gotta give him credit it was a mindblower of a party, the complete experience. I mean at the time it was about as literally as 'techno' as you could get in the US, I still may even have the flyer somewhere (how sad am I). There was a pile of live gear / rack / PA stuff and then if i recall he played some records. There really aren't parties like that anymore in the US, at that scale (and venue and volume) in Detroit, that still have a very underground feel with that level of talent and almost fetishistic overwhelmingly huge sound systems. I remember his parents were in the crowd, and there were some contorting +8 dancers up on speakers peeling off layers of lycra clothing? (do i have the right party here?? yikes, it's all a blur, hahh) I kept thinking we're all gonna spontaneously combust it was so hot, packed in, everything was covered in black plastic and dripping in human perspiration. The sounds themselves felt like they were dripping, it was intense. I'm sure whatever he'll do now from a performance standpoint will be completely unique and innovative as that's just his style, he's not one for nostalgia just for the sake of it. Especially with the near-freakish control he usually has over every element of the parties, from technology, audio/visual setups, wanting the latest of everything, etc. I haven't cared for his last couple of albums (or straight jackhammer-like direction of his DJ sets in recent years) as much as his earlier more sparse material. The first 2 Plastikman albums (Sheet One and Musik) I think are still much better than the new ones IMHO.. but frankly i'm still glad he brought back the whole Plastikman concept to life. It's interesting and makes you think, whether you love it or hate it. It probably all depends on if/when you got into his music and what tracks you got into (or out of) first...But anyone who can go to this live set will probably be in for the 'total experience' -- it's no slouchy organization, every detail matters. peace -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
Re: (313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04
It rained _really hard_ that night. I thought I was going to get stuck on the freeway. The gear he used seemed to take up a garageworth of space. Definitely pre-mp3-ableton-ni-powerbook. I remember Terry Mullen playing blackout right before the show started, then silence, screams, lights on peoples clothing with sunglasses, drp, more screams, music starts, graphics start on the video screen, total craziness for the next ~40 minutes. Trancendence was very different. It was on a floor of a skyscraper right there in downtown Toronto. It didnt feel underground at all, very big event in a large open space. No video screen to accompany the music but the speakers emitted an evil red glow at points. The music had a tighter feel from the Spastik show. Geez that happened 10 years ago, I feel old. Dang kids today with their music collections in little iPods and studios in little notebooks. Why in my day we walked miles in a bad part of town with 100 pound record crates, in the snow, barefoot, and we liked it. If gear couldnt give you a hernia or put you in debt it was no good I tell you. New fangled computers matching beats for you, pffft:P On Mar 03, 2004, at 02:53, Matt MacQueen wrote: On Mar 3, 2004, at 12:50 AM, Adam H wrote: Spastik(94) and Transcendence(95). The shows were _incredible_ Both were plastikman tracks live followed by 4-6 hour dj sets. I wonder if he will play any of the goo*cough* I mean old plastikman tracks.. :D hi Adam- I also caught him live for the 1st time in 94 at Spastik in Detroit too (was it really 10 years ago? holy shi*t), but missed Transcendence, which may have been even bigger? Pre-mp3, pre-Traktor, pre-Ableton, it was nearly pre-Clinton for god sake. I gotta give him credit it was a mindblower of a party, the complete experience. I mean at the time it was about as literally as 'techno' as you could get in the US, I still may even have the flyer somewhere (how sad am I). There was a pile of live gear / rack / PA stuff and then if i recall he played some records. There really aren't parties like that anymore in the US, at that scale (and venue and volume) in Detroit, that still have a very underground feel with that level of talent and almost fetishistic overwhelmingly huge sound systems. I remember his parents were in the crowd, and there were some contorting +8 dancers up on speakers peeling off layers of lycra clothing? (do i have the right party here?? yikes, it's all a blur, hahh) I kept thinking we're all gonna spontaneously combust it was so hot, packed in, everything was covered in black plastic and dripping in human perspiration. The sounds themselves felt like they were dripping, it was intense. I'm sure whatever he'll do now from a performance standpoint will be completely unique and innovative as that's just his style, he's not one for nostalgia just for the sake of it. Especially with the near-freakish control he usually has over every element of the parties, from technology, audio/visual setups, wanting the latest of everything, etc. I haven't cared for his last couple of albums (or straight jackhammer-like direction of his DJ sets in recent years) as much as his earlier more sparse material. The first 2 Plastikman albums (Sheet One and Musik) I think are still much better than the new ones IMHO.. but frankly i'm still glad he brought back the whole Plastikman concept to life. It's interesting and makes you think, whether you love it or hate it. It probably all depends on if/when you got into his music and what tracks you got into (or out of) first...But anyone who can go to this live set will probably be in for the 'total experience' -- it's no slouchy organization, every detail matters. peace -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
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Oh yes, at Tribal Gathering '95 in the UK, and it was the best electronic live act I have ever witnessed - I'll never forget it - it was quite hard and acidic, as well as heavily percussive - he played a lot of his Plastikman tracks like Spastik as well as F.U., Substance Abuse and even that Robotman track. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 5:49 AM Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04 anybody seen a plastikman show before? i was all set to go to his gig in brooklyn (in 95?) when he was stopped at the border by the INS and sent back to windsor. is/was it a live p.a. of solely plastikman material or was djing with other tracks? james www.jbucknell.com Ramon Crespo [EMAIL PROTECTED] l.net To 313 313@hyperreal.org 03/03/04 05:12 AM cc Subject (313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04 Didnt see this posted so here's the info: PRESS RELEASE FIRST PLASTIKMAN LIVE SHOW IN 9 YEARS ANNOUNCED TODAY Windsor, Ontario March 2nd, 2004 Richie Hawtin announced today the first Plastikman live show on plastikman.com. The event will take place June 3rd, 2004 in Montreal, Canada as the opening event to this year’s Mutek festival (mutek.ca). It will be the first live performance of Plastikman material since 1995. Hawtin describes the show as a rare, one-night performance incorporating multiple media with the artist controlling all parameters of the event. As with his DJ sets, he will also involve unprecedented new artistic technologies — all developed and customised for this show. The following entities are partners in producing the show: Mutek — www.mutek.ca http://www.mutek.ca Derivative Inc. — www.derivativeinc.com http://www.derivativeinc.com Crush Inc. — www.crushinc.com http://www.crushinc.com Ableton, AG — www.ableton.com http://www.ableton.com Digidesign — www.digidesign.com http://www.digidesign.com Turkish video artist Ali Mahmut Demirel, who directed the eye-popping video for the ‘Disconnect’ (novamute/Minus) single, as well as new media event producer/curator Kevin McHugh have both contributed to Hawtin’s plans. Previous Plastikman live shows have achieved almost mythic renown. Artists, critics, and fans still talk about performances at Glastonbury Festival, Tribal Gathering, and underground events in Detroit. In the years since, Hawtin has increased his profile as a DJ and producer, constantly updating, innovating and pioneering new technologies. The current Plastikman album ‘Closer’ is out now on novamute/M-nus. ForwardSourceID:NT7AD2 # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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I also saw him around that time (95) at a megadog strangely enough. In London. Rocked big time. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 March 2004 09:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Subject: RE: (313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04 Oh yes, at Tribal Gathering '95 in the UK, and it was the best electronic live act I have ever witnessed - I'll never forget it - it was quite hard and acidic, as well as heavily percussive - he played a lot of his Plastikman tracks like Spastik as well as F.U., Substance Abuse and even that Robotman track. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 5:49 AM Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04 anybody seen a plastikman show before? i was all set to go to his gig in brooklyn (in 95?) when he was stopped at the border by the INS and sent back to windsor. is/was it a live p.a. of solely plastikman material or was djing with other tracks? james www.jbucknell.com Ramon Crespo [EMAIL PROTECTED] l.net To 313 313@hyperreal.org 03/03/04 05:12 AM cc Subject (313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04 Didnt see this posted so here's the info: PRESS RELEASE FIRST PLASTIKMAN LIVE SHOW IN 9 YEARS ANNOUNCED TODAY Windsor, Ontario March 2nd, 2004 Richie Hawtin announced today the first Plastikman live show on plastikman.com. The event will take place June 3rd, 2004 in Montreal, Canada as the opening event to this year’s Mutek festival (mutek.ca). It will be the first live performance of Plastikman material since 1995. Hawtin describes the show as a rare, one-night performance incorporating multiple media with the artist controlling all parameters of the event. As with his DJ sets, he will also involve unprecedented new artistic technologies — all developed and customised for this show. The following entities are partners in producing the show: Mutek — www.mutek.ca http://www.mutek.ca Derivative Inc. — www.derivativeinc.com http://www.derivativeinc.com Crush Inc. — www.crushinc.com http://www.crushinc.com Ableton, AG — www.ableton.com http://www.ableton.com Digidesign — www.digidesign.com http://www.digidesign.com Turkish video artist Ali Mahmut Demirel, who directed the eye-popping video for the ‘Disconnect’ (novamute/Minus) single, as well as new media event producer/curator Kevin McHugh have both contributed to Hawtin’s plans. Previous Plastikman live shows have achieved almost mythic renown. Artists, critics, and fans still talk about performances at Glastonbury Festival, Tribal Gathering, and underground events in Detroit. In the years since, Hawtin has increased his profile as a DJ and producer, constantly updating, innovating and pioneering new technologies. The current Plastikman album ‘Closer’ is out now on novamute/M-nus. ForwardSourceID:NT7AD2 # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
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Ditto That. :0D -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 March 2004 9:41 To: Robert Taylor; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Subject: RE: (313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04 I also saw him around that time (95) at a megadog strangely enough. In London. Rocked big time. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 March 2004 09:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Subject: RE: (313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04 Oh yes, at Tribal Gathering '95 in the UK, and it was the best electronic live act I have ever witnessed - I'll never forget it - it was quite hard and acidic, as well as heavily percussive - he played a lot of his Plastikman tracks like Spastik as well as F.U., Substance Abuse and even that Robotman track. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 5:49 AM Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04 anybody seen a plastikman show before? i was all set to go to his gig in brooklyn (in 95?) when he was stopped at the border by the INS and sent back to windsor. is/was it a live p.a. of solely plastikman material or was djing with other tracks? james www.jbucknell.com Ramon Crespo [EMAIL PROTECTED] l.net To 313 313@hyperreal.org 03/03/04 05:12 AM cc Subject (313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04 Didnt see this posted so here's the info: PRESS RELEASE FIRST PLASTIKMAN LIVE SHOW IN 9 YEARS ANNOUNCED TODAY Windsor, Ontario March 2nd, 2004 Richie Hawtin announced today the first Plastikman live show on plastikman.com. The event will take place June 3rd, 2004 in Montreal, Canada as the opening event to this year’s Mutek festival (mutek.ca). It will be the first live performance of Plastikman material since 1995. Hawtin describes the show as a rare, one-night performance incorporating multiple media with the artist controlling all parameters of the event. As with his DJ sets, he will also involve unprecedented new artistic technologies — all developed and customised for this show. The following entities are partners in producing the show: Mutek — www.mutek.ca http://www.mutek.ca Derivative Inc. — www.derivativeinc.com http://www.derivativeinc.com Crush Inc. — www.crushinc.com http://www.crushinc.com Ableton, AG — www.ableton.com http://www.ableton.com Digidesign — www.digidesign.com http://www.digidesign.com Turkish video artist Ali Mahmut Demirel, who directed the eye-popping video for the ‘Disconnect’ (novamute/Minus) single, as well as new media event producer/curator Kevin McHugh have both contributed to Hawtin’s plans. Previous Plastikman live shows have achieved almost mythic renown. Artists, critics, and fans still talk about performances at Glastonbury Festival, Tribal Gathering, and underground events in Detroit. In the years since, Hawtin has increased his profile as a DJ and producer, constantly updating, innovating and pioneering new technologies. The current Plastikman album ‘Closer’ is out now on novamute/M-nus. ForwardSourceID:NT7AD2 # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # *** Opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not Entergy-Koch Trading Limited or its affiliated companies. This email
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Ahhh yes...spastik. what a moment in history. hot as fuk, both literally and figuratively. all I gotta say is thank god I was right behind rich and the whole set up with he rest of the gang when the DPD came through with the pepper spray and that there was a rather large garage-type door behind us all leading into the open air =) I still have all sorts of souvenirs and mementos from that night, including a planet e squirt gun. and the transcendence parties...just as sick. especially the speedy j live party in 1996. those were the days... On 03.03.2004 02:53 , Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 3, 2004, at 12:50 AM, Adam H wrote: Spastik(94) and Transcendence(95). The shows were _incredible_ Both were plastikman tracks live followed by 4-6 hour dj sets. I wonder if he will play any of the goo*cough* I mean old plastikman tracks.. :D hi Adam- I also caught him live for the 1st time in 94 at Spastik in Detroit too (was it really 10 years ago? holy shi*t), but missed Transcendence, which may have been even bigger? Pre-mp3, pre-Traktor, pre-Ableton, it was nearly pre-Clinton for god sake. I gotta give him credit it was a mindblower of a party, the complete experience. I mean at the time it was about as literally as 'techno' as you could get in the US, I still may even have the flyer somewhere (how sad am I). There was a pile of live gear / rack / PA stuff and then if i recall he played some records. There really aren't parties like that anymore in the US, at that scale (and venue and volume) in Detroit, that still have a very underground feel with that level of talent and almost fetishistic overwhelmingly huge sound systems. I remember his parents were in the crowd, and there were some contorting +8 dancers up on speakers peeling off layers of lycra clothing? (do i have the right party here?? yikes, it's all a blur, hahh) I kept thinking we're all gonna spontaneously combust it was so hot, packed in, everything was covered in black plastic and dripping in human perspiration. The sounds themselves felt like they were dripping, it was intense. I'm sure whatever he'll do now from a performance standpoint will be completely unique and innovative as that's just his style, he's not one for nostalgia just for the sake of it. Especially with the near-freakish control he usually has over every element of the parties, from technology, audio/visual setups, wanting the latest of everything, etc. I haven't cared for his last couple of albums (or straight jackhammer-like direction of his DJ sets in recent years) as much as his earlier more sparse material. The first 2 Plastikman albums (Sheet One and Musik) I think are still much better than the new ones IMHO.. but frankly i'm still glad he brought back the whole Plastikman concept to life. It's interesting and makes you think, whether you love it or hate it. It probably all depends on if/when you got into his music and what tracks you got into (or out of) first...But anyone who can go to this live set will probably be in for the 'total experience' -- it's no slouchy organization, every detail matters. peace -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
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there's some recordings of a Plastikman live set from Tokyo floating around on P2P. It was a bonus 3 disc from the Japanese release of Consumed. http://www.discogs.com/release/39171 Also- the Sickness CD single had a live version of Slak/Krikets taken from the Spastic party. And I'm prety sure you can still buy it through Mute. http://www.discogs.com/release/161924 Somewhere I have a cassette recording of the Plastikman set from Tribal Gathering that I got off of someone back in my tape trading by mail days. The quality is pretty rough- but the set is ridiculous. Unfortunately- one of the mechanisms in the cassette broke- and I haven't been able to fix it. Can anyone help me out with a copy? (Never on P2P either) On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: anybody seen a plastikman show before? i was all set to go to his gig in brooklyn (in 95?) when he was stopped at the border by the INS and sent back to windsor. is/was it a live p.a. of solely plastikman material or was djing with other tracks? james www.jbucknell.com Ramon Crespo [EMAIL PROTECTED] l.net To 313 313@hyperreal.org 03/03/04 05:12 AM cc Subject (313) Plastikman Live in Montreal 06.03.04 Didnt see this posted so here's the info: PRESS RELEASE FIRST PLASTIKMAN LIVE SHOW IN 9 YEARS ANNOUNCED TODAY Windsor, Ontario March 2nd, 2004 Richie Hawtin announced today the first Plastikman live show on plastikman.com. The event will take place June 3rd, 2004 in Montreal, Canada as the opening event to this year’s Mutek festival (mutek.ca). It will be the first live performance of Plastikman material since 1995. Hawtin describes the show as a rare, one-night performance incorporating multiple media with the artist controlling all parameters of the event. As with his DJ sets, he will also involve unprecedented new artistic technologies — all developed and customised for this show. The following entities are partners in producing the show: Mutek — www.mutek.ca http://www.mutek.ca Derivative Inc. — www.derivativeinc.com http://www.derivativeinc.com Crush Inc. — www.crushinc.com http://www.crushinc.com Ableton, AG — www.ableton.com http://www.ableton.com Digidesign — www.digidesign.com http://www.digidesign.com Turkish video artist Ali Mahmut Demirel, who directed the eye-popping video for the ‘Disconnect’ (novamute/Minus) single, as well as new media event producer/curator Kevin McHugh have both contributed to Hawtin’s plans. Previous Plastikman live shows have achieved almost mythic renown. Artists, critics, and fans still talk about performances at Glastonbury Festival, Tribal Gathering, and underground events in Detroit. In the years since, Hawtin has increased his profile as a DJ and producer, constantly updating, innovating and pioneering new technologies. The current Plastikman album ‘Closer’ is out now on novamute/M-nus. ForwardSourceID:NT7AD2
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actually, now that i think about it, there's one more plastikman track that i've heard but don't have. it was a RealAudio stream on the previous version of the m-nus web site - the original blue one. as i remember, it wasn't labelled by name but was included as one of two links to bonus tracks not found on the album. one of the links played afrika and the other track was this one. anyone know what i'm talking about and, if so, what the name of the track is and if it appeared anywhere? brian -Original Message- From: The Armchair DJ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 8:37 AM To: elkay; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kenneth taylor Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) plastikman live there are 4 live tracks out there that i know of: --slak/untitled choir - 1996 plastikprodukt 3 cd - recorded sept 23, 1995 at transcendance, toronto, canada --slac/kriket - 1997 sickness/panikattack 5 cd - recorded at spastik --the aforementioned pp001 - late '99 or early '00 muzik cd comp - from a 1994 peel live show --intro/plasticene/untitled acid fill/unedited drum fill - 1998 consumed japan edition bonus 3 cd - recorded at the liquid room, tokyo, on aug 4, 1995 other non-album plastikman ephemera worth tracking down: --freek - 1994 plastique b-side recently remixed for de9: closer to the edit --elektriks - 1994 musik outtake released on the plus 8 vinyl 2x12 and the netWorks.1 comp --kiropraktor - 1994 musik outtake released on the plus 8 2x12 and novamute 3x12 --old skool - 1994 musik outtake released only on the novamute 3x12 --hump - from the first trance atlantic 2xcd comp --krossover - fuse vs. plastikman - 1999 new year's 3 cd giveaway - recorded 1993 i think --afrika (test kut) - 1998 limited 12 --pk and pkamb - 2000 limited 12 --psykik - artifakts outtake released on the 1998 japanese artifakts cd, sony japan's 1999 future electronica comp and the 2002 kontakt giveaway 3 cd --konstant - artifakts outtake from the 2002 kontakt giveaway 3 cd if anybody's interested in mp3s of the above, hit me privately. as far as i know, they are the only tracks that have been released under the plastikman moniker that AREN'T available on the standard cd editions of sheet one, recycled plastik, musik, sickness/panikattack, consumed and artifakts. somebody please do correct me if i'm wrong as i'm an admittedly dorky richie spotter. of course there are plenty of other hard-to-find richie tracks such as +8069, the sequel to +8068, which was released only as a promo to a few of his friends. but those aren't branded as plastikman tracks. --brian -Original Message- From: elkay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kenneth taylor Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) plastikman live I have a copy of this, will try to get it up somewhere in mp3 format if anyone is interested. Let me know. lk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:26 PM To: kenneth taylor Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) plastikman live Muzik Magazine BBC Radio1 Present One Live cat no: MUZIK BBC 99 contains 'Plastikman - PP001', recorded on the John Peel show 14 July, 1994 pretty sure this was included with a Muzik mag so i have no idea if you can still get it On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 08:56 AM, kenneth taylor wrote: there's a nice live Plastikman Peel Session and i think a track or two is available on an older Muzik magazine comp. can't quite recall offhand. it's out there though ken _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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there are 4 live tracks out there that i know of: --slak/untitled choir - 1996 plastikprodukt 3 cd - recorded sept 23, 1995 at transcendance, toronto, canada --slac/kriket - 1997 sickness/panikattack 5 cd - recorded at spastik --the aforementioned pp001 - late '99 or early '00 muzik cd comp - from a 1994 peel live show --intro/plasticene/untitled acid fill/unedited drum fill - 1998 consumed japan edition bonus 3 cd - recorded at the liquid room, tokyo, on aug 4, 1995 other non-album plastikman ephemera worth tracking down: --freek - 1994 plastique b-side recently remixed for de9: closer to the edit --elektriks - 1994 musik outtake released on the plus 8 vinyl 2x12 and the netWorks.1 comp --kiropraktor - 1994 musik outtake released on the plus 8 2x12 and novamute 3x12 --old skool - 1994 musik outtake released only on the novamute 3x12 --hump - from the first trance atlantic 2xcd comp --krossover - fuse vs. plastikman - 1999 new year's 3 cd giveaway - recorded 1993 i think --afrika (test kut) - 1998 limited 12 --pk and pkamb - 2000 limited 12 --psykik - artifakts outtake released on the 1998 japanese artifakts cd, sony japan's 1999 future electronica comp and the 2002 kontakt giveaway 3 cd --konstant - artifakts outtake from the 2002 kontakt giveaway 3 cd if anybody's interested in mp3s of the above, hit me privately. as far as i know, they are the only tracks that have been released under the plastikman moniker that AREN'T available on the standard cd editions of sheet one, recycled plastik, musik, sickness/panikattack, consumed and artifakts. somebody please do correct me if i'm wrong as i'm an admittedly dorky richie spotter. of course there are plenty of other hard-to-find richie tracks such as +8069, the sequel to +8068, which was released only as a promo to a few of his friends. but those aren't branded as plastikman tracks. --brian -Original Message- From: elkay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 2:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kenneth taylor Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) plastikman live I have a copy of this, will try to get it up somewhere in mp3 format if anyone is interested. Let me know. lk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:26 PM To: kenneth taylor Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) plastikman live Muzik Magazine BBC Radio1 Present One Live cat no: MUZIK BBC 99 contains 'Plastikman - PP001', recorded on the John Peel show 14 July, 1994 pretty sure this was included with a Muzik mag so i have no idea if you can still get it On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 08:56 AM, kenneth taylor wrote: there's a nice live Plastikman Peel Session and i think a track or two is available on an older Muzik magazine comp. can't quite recall offhand. it's out there though ken _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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--hump - from the first trance atlantic 2xcd comp love that track
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I picked up an MP3 of Slak and Kriket live somewhere, I'm not sure if it was from the set at Spastik or not... mostly what I remember from the set at Spastik was choking on Mace. Let's hope the hermetic seals hold though, if the tapes of the first Lodge Party were leaked it could destroy society as we know it. J - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: Re: (313) plastikman live on the japanese import version of consumed there is a second cd that contains a 10 minute plastikman live set from tokyo. and he's released a couple pieces here and there (sickness/panikattack single, for one). as for full recordings, no. or, yes, but they are in some hermetically sealed vault miles below the earth somewhere in the depths of canada. - Original Message - From: ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: (313) plastikman live do any decent recordings of rich's PAs exist? if so, can someone make them available to me? :) -Joe
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so ive never been impressed with richie as a deejay, even with the 909 efx final scratch kitchen sink and your grandma thrown in. however, i still love his production as plastikman. is he ever gonna do like plastikman sets again? id definitely love to see that. tom andythepooh.com
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- Original Message - From: Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:58 PM Subject: RE: (313) plastikman live I can respect the artist who takes that position. You can't re-create a special one-time environment and sound system and performance and a feeling w/ a live CD or MP3 file. The performance is more than just sum of the notes played through the equipment. It's a whole thing that exists for that moment in space and time, and is the sum of a zillion other factors, (the crowd, the weather, the smell of the warehouse, your drive there and home, the lights, your feelings at that time, etc. etc. ) then it's gone when it's done. There is something more special and visceral about it that way, I think for both performer AND audience... FWIW. we play liiive, we don't play off tape - FUSE, Logikal Nonsense They've been taking this position for ages as well. It seems Hawtin is quite anti-archivist. More power too them, I say. It's their material ultimately, although I disagree 100% personally and find myself looking to archives perpetually. It's not that I don't see where the anti-archivists are coming from, I just don't see any reason to be so strict, and ultimately stifle the interests of their fans. Clearly it ain't the same as being there - but I think everyone knows that, it doesn't mean it isn't a valuable record of the experience, and ultimately even more valuable as a record of the event to the thousands who couldn't experience it at all, like our unfortunate friends in remote places, or our friends in Detroit who never get to see Mills, for instance. I mean, surely I'm not going to hear [313] cry out in unison that they don't want to ever hear another recording of Mills. Come on. I think Stewart Walker is the best counter-example to this, someone who was quite hesitant to put a live set online (or on CD) until he had one that he thought did him justice, and has since archived a bunch of performances, and does so regularly. I think it speaks to his mastery of performance more than a shift of attitude, but I could be wrong, and I wouldn't try to speak for him on that point. In general, I don't think being so particular about it is fair to a global audience, and I think that sharing what you've got will only assist everyone in understanding your artistic purpose. I mean, primarilly we're artists, and we want to communicate our art as broadly as possible, without sacrificing that integrity, right? The question becomes if it is a sacrifice of integirty to broadcast a live show, and I think anyone who has watched Depeche Mode's 101, or [insert favorite tour footage here], can agree that it ain't the same, but is an immensely valuable service to fans, especially when someone like Stewart innovates every set. You want to hear every last performance, and I think that rather than keeping each one a secret to those in attendance, you ought to provide as many shining examples as possible to your fanbase, because they still love it, they still buy your records, and they want to attend your shows even more. If you are trying to build a career as a peformer, you need to promote as a performer. Besides that, I think you need to give the recorded-audience some credibility for their powers of abstraction. It may not be the same, but it *is* meaningful. Who cares if it's the same meaning? It never is the same meaning for everyone anyway. Again, I mean no disrespect to those that are anti-archivist, because I understand the impulse, very similar to Matt's explanantion - I just don't think it's ultimately the right choice. From my perspective, I see everything the opposite of the Minus camp, and have for a long time. I think performances should be archived freely, and source material should be paid for, but ultimately you can understand why each camp wants to protect something, so that artistry can remain lucrative enough to sustain full-time artistic committment. Regardless of which side you support, I think it's essential to maintain artist support, and I doubt hashing this out in a public forum will reveal anything anymore decisive than previous attempts have. Besides that, I think we need to look at it all from a somewhat anarchic perspective. Look at the bootlegging, sampling and live recording that goes on w/o permission. It's all illegal, and is almost never busted. Just goes to show that we're all accountable more to our own moral compass than law or popular opinion when it comes to recording/copying ethics in the electronic music world. More important than any of this, just look at what so many of us have learned from pages like deephousepage.com I mean, that really speaks for itself. How many times have we wished out loud for a Wizard/Mojo online archive? Most importantly it can educate those of us that were too young to enjoy it the first time, and there is nothing wrong with that. If anyone
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that's from the sickness/panikattack cd single and yes they were taken from Spastik On Wednesday, December 18, 2002, at 06:57 PM, JMG wrote: I picked up an MP3 of Slak and Kriket live somewhere, I'm not sure if it was from the set at Spastik or not... mostly what I remember from the set at Spastik was choking on Mace. Let's hope the hermetic seals hold though, if the tapes of the first Lodge Party were leaked it could destroy society as we know it. J - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: Re: (313) plastikman live on the japanese import version of consumed there is a second cd that contains a 10 minute plastikman live set from tokyo. and he's released a couple pieces here and there (sickness/panikattack single, for one). as for full recordings, no. or, yes, but they are in some hermetically sealed vault miles below the earth somewhere in the depths of canada. - Original Message - From: ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: (313) plastikman live do any decent recordings of rich's PAs exist? if so, can someone make them available to me? :) -Joe
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there's a nice live Plastikman Peel Session and i think a track or two is available on an older Muzik magazine comp. can't quite recall offhand. it's out there though ken _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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Muzik Magazine BBC Radio1 Present One Live cat no: MUZIK BBC 99 contains 'Plastikman - PP001', recorded on the John Peel show 14 July, 1994 pretty sure this was included with a Muzik mag so i have no idea if you can still get it On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 08:56 AM, kenneth taylor wrote: there's a nice live Plastikman Peel Session and i think a track or two is available on an older Muzik magazine comp. can't quite recall offhand. it's out there though ken _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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Most importantly it can educate those of us that were too young to enjoy it the first time, and there is nothing wrong with that. If anyone here is a trance-hating anti-archivist, I challenge you to exmine what choice you're giving kids to find the real deal. I totally understand your argument, makes sense, etc. I just need to state for the record I'm not an anti-archivist myself (and I realize you weren't calling me one) :) but I do respect artists who wish to preserve an extremely special live performance for just that: a live (in the flesh) performance. Artists have that right! Should +8 probably release some past live shows in the public domain? Probably, sure. Of course it suits the fans, feeds their market, etc. But do they have the right to NOT do that to ones they feel were very special to the artist and simply of and for that moment ? Absolutely. Hearing a CD of a show is second best to actually being there, sure. Mills Live @ the Liquid Room, etc. This is a big planet and we can't go to all the show's we'd like, obviously (unless your Otto K?). But if it doesn't even BEGIN to do the actual performance justice, it was just so unique or special or a part of it's environment, or whatever... then really I can completely respect the decision of the artist or label not wanting to release it. In fact I applaud that decision. peace, Matt MacQueen
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- Original Message - From: Matthew MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 6:10 PM Subject: RE: (313) plastikman live Hearing a CD of a show is second best to actually being there, sure. Mills Live @ the Liquid Room, etc. This is a big planet and we can't go to all the show's we'd like, obviously (unless your Otto K?). But if it doesn't even BEGIN to do the actual performance justice, it was just so unique or special or a part of it's environment, or whatever... then really I can completely respect the decision of the artist or label not wanting to release it. In fact I applaud that decision. That's a good distinction indeed. We haven't seen anything but Real Video from the first DEMF, and I think it would be impossible to 'bottle and preserve' that magic. Oh, and just so y'all know I'm not just pulling this 'anti-archivist' stuff out of my arse, I recall when seeing Hawtin give a lecture-type-a-thing before DE909 in Iowa City, he actually devoted a fair amount of his talk against the growing tendency to archive, and it's relation to the Internet. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Mix in mp3, 'Live in Iowa City' available for a short time from http://phonopsia.isoprax.com
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I have a copy of this, will try to get it up somewhere in mp3 format if anyone is interested. Let me know. lk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:26 PM To: kenneth taylor Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) plastikman live Muzik Magazine BBC Radio1 Present One Live cat no: MUZIK BBC 99 contains 'Plastikman - PP001', recorded on the John Peel show 14 July, 1994 pretty sure this was included with a Muzik mag so i have no idea if you can still get it On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 08:56 AM, kenneth taylor wrote: there's a nice live Plastikman Peel Session and i think a track or two is available on an older Muzik magazine comp. can't quite recall offhand. it's out there though ken _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
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do any decent recordings of rich's PAs exist? if so, can someone make them available to me? :) -Joe
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god I love hermetically sealed vaults miles below the earth somewhere in the depths of canada. -Joe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 5:24 PM Subject: Re: (313) plastikman live on the japanese import version of consumed there is a second cd that contains a 10 minute plastikman live set from tokyo. and he's released a couple pieces here and there (sickness/panikattack single, for one). as for full recordings, no. or, yes, but they are in some hermetically sealed vault miles below the earth somewhere in the depths of canada. - Original Message - From: ::) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: (313) plastikman live do any decent recordings of rich's PAs exist? if so, can someone make them available to me? :) -Joe
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as for full recordings, no. or, yes, but they are in some hermetically sealed vault miles below the earth somewhere in the depths of canada. Ha! You know, I give rich credit for not releasing all his live shows and performances. I've been to loads of +8 parties thru the years (well, the early years... saw his live PA at Spastik, etc.) and think I've read in some interviews(?) that the live shows are special for those who where there. I can respect the artist who takes that position. You can't re-create a special one-time environment and sound system and performance and a feeling w/ a live CD or MP3 file. The performance is more than just sum of the notes played through the equipment. It's a whole thing that exists for that moment in space and time, and is the sum of a zillion other factors, (the crowd, the weather, the smell of the warehouse, your drive there and home, the lights, your feelings at that time, etc. etc. ) then it's gone when it's done. There is something more special and visceral about it that way, I think for both performer AND audience... FWIW. we play liiive, we don't play off tape - FUSE, Logikal Nonsense peace, Matt MacQueen
