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spotted - this past weekend - A girl of no more than 12 wearing a *PINK* AC/DC t-shirt. Took everything I had to not ask if she had big balls. m On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Greg Earle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > kent williams wrote: >> >> What I'm waiting for is for people to start dressing and styling their >> hairs like they do in those super early UK rave videos I've seen. As >> someone who got into it a little later, seeing bad 80's hair and >> ridiculous bulky jumpers combined with dance music is hilarious... > > Don't forget the flares! I think it was Paul Weller who once said > that flares were the "worst fashion invention ever". > > My own personal pet peeve is the repro "Led Zeppelin United States > of America 1977" tour t-shirts. It's one thing to wear a band > t-shirt, but a fake tour t-shirt for a tour that happened before > you were born?!? (Yes, it especially pisses me off since I > actually saw Zeppelin in 1977 and bought that very shirt.) > > I just want to go up to all these kids and cuff 'em one upside the head. > Buy tour t-shirts from your own generation's bands, dagnabit. > > --- > > On an unrelated-but-(313) note, Kent mentioned RePHLeX and I see that > Grant Wilson-Claridge posted something on the UR Facebook tribute page: > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/UNDERGROUND-RESISTANCE/15822493325 > > What're the "Z-Tracks" he mentions? > >- Greg the old curmudgeon > > -- "Play more things that make me dance around and less things that make me sit and look miserable in a plastic chair" - Brian Eno Blind faith in bad leadership is not "Patriotism".
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People are dreadfully snobbish about it - I can see exactly why people like it and fair play to them. Just as long as they don't move in next to me. ;) Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Anton Banks (www.antonbanks.com) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 July 2008 15:34 To: list 313 Subject: RE: (313) the circle of trends Mixmag put it best. They called Happy Hardcore the "evolution free musical version of the Galapagos Islands". -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 3:46 AM To: kent williams Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) the circle of trends > Here's hoping that there's no big resurgence of Happy Hardcore, which > by the generational clock, is due for a revival I'm afraid that in certain countries it never went away Kent (hangs head in shame) Jason PS Excellent post by the way 2008/7/2 kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > This is an interesting topic. Interesting enought that I feel > compelled to pull some completely ungrounded theorizing out of my > tuchis. > > I think what drives these cycles at it's root is that people are like > ducks -- they form their deepest emotional attachment to the music > they hear when they're young. This applies to people who actually > make music every bit as much as it does to punters. So when it comes > their turn to provide the soundtrack for the zeitgeist, they turn > naturally to the music of their youth. They update it with influences > of everything that has happened in the meantime, changes in music > technology, etc. And this trolling through the wonder years is also > reactionary -- they use elements of what they liked about music past > to counter what they dislike about music present. > > So if House music is the current vogue, it's soul and gospel roots are > an antidote to the blandness of minimal techno, combined with > nostalgia for the raw sounds of early House music. This will be > replaced in due time with something else again. And not so much > amongst us out in flyover country, but in New York, London, Berlin, > Paris, Barcelona, there's the element of fashion involved. Once > something becomes too popular amongs the hoi polloi, the in crowd > needs to find something different. > > # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
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Mixmag put it best. They called Happy Hardcore the "evolution free musical version of the Galapagos Islands". -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 3:46 AM To: kent williams Cc: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) the circle of trends > Here's hoping that there's no big resurgence of Happy Hardcore, which > by the generational clock, is due for a revival I'm afraid that in certain countries it never went away Kent (hangs head in shame) Jason PS Excellent post by the way 2008/7/2 kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > This is an interesting topic. Interesting enought that I feel > compelled to pull some completely ungrounded theorizing out of my > tuchis. > > I think what drives these cycles at it's root is that people are like > ducks -- they form their deepest emotional attachment to the music > they hear when they're young. This applies to people who actually > make music every bit as much as it does to punters. So when it comes > their turn to provide the soundtrack for the zeitgeist, they turn > naturally to the music of their youth. They update it with influences > of everything that has happened in the meantime, changes in music > technology, etc. And this trolling through the wonder years is also > reactionary -- they use elements of what they liked about music past > to counter what they dislike about music present. > > So if House music is the current vogue, it's soul and gospel roots are > an antidote to the blandness of minimal techno, combined with > nostalgia for the raw sounds of early House music. This will be > replaced in due time with something else again. And not so much > amongst us out in flyover country, but in New York, London, Berlin, > Paris, Barcelona, there's the element of fashion involved. Once > something becomes too popular amongs the hoi polloi, the in crowd > needs to find something different. > >
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I believe that they're special cuts of UR tunes and beats only issued to the UR battle DJs. -Original Message- From: Greg Earle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What're the "Z-Tracks" he mentions?
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On 4 Jul 2008, at 10:34, Robert Taylor wrote: I've seen 6 year old kids wearing Ramones I think everyone in Barcelona gets issued with one of these at birth Rob :) m
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I've seen 6 year old kids wearing Ramones and CBGBs t-shirts - what is the world coming to? Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 July 2008 10:31 To: Mann, Ravinder Cc: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: (313) the circle of trends He didn't moan about the kids on his lawn in this one though ;) robin... On 4 Jul 2008, at 10:13, Mann, Ravinder wrote: > lol, best rant on 313 in years Greg. > > > -Original Message- > From: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 04 July 2008 00:27 > To: 313 Mailing List > Subject: Re: Re: (313) the circle of trends > > > kent williams wrote: >> What I'm waiting for is for people to start dressing and styling >> their hairs like they do in those super early UK rave videos I've >> seen. As someone who got into it a little later, seeing bad 80's hair >> and ridiculous bulky jumpers combined with dance music is >> hilarious... > > Don't forget the flares! I think it was Paul Weller who once said > that flares were the "worst fashion invention ever". > > My own personal pet peeve is the repro "Led Zeppelin United States of > America 1977" tour t-shirts. It's one thing to wear a band t-shirt, > but a fake tour t-shirt for a tour that happened before you were > born?!? (Yes, it especially pisses me off since I actually saw > Zeppelin in 1977 and bought that very shirt.) > > I just want to go up to all these kids and cuff 'em one upside the > head. > Buy tour t-shirts from your own generation's bands, dagnabit. > > --- > > On an unrelated-but-(313) note, Kent mentioned RePHLeX and I see that > Grant Wilson-Claridge posted something on the UR Facebook tribute > page: > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/UNDERGROUND-RESISTANCE/15822493325 > > What're the "Z-Tracks" he mentions? > > - Greg the old curmudgeon > > > > To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to > http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
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He didn't moan about the kids on his lawn in this one though ;) robin... On 4 Jul 2008, at 10:13, Mann, Ravinder wrote: lol, best rant on 313 in years Greg. -Original Message- From: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 July 2008 00:27 To: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: Re: (313) the circle of trends kent williams wrote: What I'm waiting for is for people to start dressing and styling their hairs like they do in those super early UK rave videos I've seen. As someone who got into it a little later, seeing bad 80's hair and ridiculous bulky jumpers combined with dance music is hilarious... Don't forget the flares! I think it was Paul Weller who once said that flares were the "worst fashion invention ever". My own personal pet peeve is the repro "Led Zeppelin United States of America 1977" tour t-shirts. It's one thing to wear a band t-shirt, but a fake tour t-shirt for a tour that happened before you were born?!? (Yes, it especially pisses me off since I actually saw Zeppelin in 1977 and bought that very shirt.) I just want to go up to all these kids and cuff 'em one upside the head. Buy tour t-shirts from your own generation's bands, dagnabit. --- On an unrelated-but-(313) note, Kent mentioned RePHLeX and I see that Grant Wilson-Claridge posted something on the UR Facebook tribute page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/UNDERGROUND-RESISTANCE/15822493325 What're the "Z-Tracks" he mentions? - Greg the old curmudgeon To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
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lol, best rant on 313 in years Greg. -Original Message- From: Greg Earle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 July 2008 00:27 To: 313 Mailing List Subject: Re: Re: (313) the circle of trends kent williams wrote: > What I'm waiting for is for people to start dressing and styling their > hairs like they do in those super early UK rave videos I've seen. As > someone who got into it a little later, seeing bad 80's hair and > ridiculous bulky jumpers combined with dance music is hilarious... Don't forget the flares! I think it was Paul Weller who once said that flares were the "worst fashion invention ever". My own personal pet peeve is the repro "Led Zeppelin United States of America 1977" tour t-shirts. It's one thing to wear a band t-shirt, but a fake tour t-shirt for a tour that happened before you were born?!? (Yes, it especially pisses me off since I actually saw Zeppelin in 1977 and bought that very shirt.) I just want to go up to all these kids and cuff 'em one upside the head. Buy tour t-shirts from your own generation's bands, dagnabit. --- On an unrelated-but-(313) note, Kent mentioned RePHLeX and I see that Grant Wilson-Claridge posted something on the UR Facebook tribute page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/UNDERGROUND-RESISTANCE/15822493325 What're the "Z-Tracks" he mentions? - Greg the old curmudgeon To view the terms under which this email is distributed, please go to http://disclaimer.leedsmet.ac.uk/email.htm
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If Obama wins, I think he will bring with him the return of happy hardcore as he was an early Happy League supporter there in Illinois. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=268741754 p.s. who is up for a roadtrip from the Bay to see Rob Hood tomorrow in LA? THIS guy. On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 12:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Here's hoping that there's no big resurgence of Happy Hardcore, which >> by the generational clock, is due for a revival > > I'm afraid that in certain countries it never went away Kent (hangs > head in shame) > > Jason > > PS Excellent post by the way
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> Here's hoping that there's no big resurgence of Happy Hardcore, which > by the generational clock, is due for a revival I'm afraid that in certain countries it never went away Kent (hangs head in shame) Jason PS Excellent post by the way 2008/7/2 kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > This is an interesting topic. Interesting enought that I feel > compelled to pull some completely ungrounded theorizing out of my > tuchis. > > I think what drives these cycles at it's root is that people are like > ducks -- they form their deepest emotional attachment to the music > they hear when they're young. This applies to people who actually > make music every bit as much as it does to punters. So when it comes > their turn to provide the soundtrack for the zeitgeist, they turn > naturally to the music of their youth. They update it with influences > of everything that has happened in the meantime, changes in music > technology, etc. And this trolling through the wonder years is also > reactionary -- they use elements of what they liked about music past > to counter what they dislike about music present. > > So if House music is the current vogue, it's soul and gospel roots are > an antidote to the blandness of minimal techno, combined with > nostalgia for the raw sounds of early House music. This will be > replaced in due time with something else again. And not so much > amongst us out in flyover country, but in New York, London, Berlin, > Paris, Barcelona, there's the element of fashion involved. Once > something becomes too popular amongs the hoi polloi, the in crowd > needs to find something different. > >
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I just want bouncy castles. I saw some great ones in Europe last month, by the way, especially in London at a local festival in Haringey. Any grubby rave promoter circa 1992 who wanted to dazzle the massive had a bouncy castle. fh
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Greg Earle wrote: Don't forget the flares! I think it was Paul Weller who once said that flares were the "worst fashion invention ever". My own personal pet peeve is the repro "Led Zeppelin United States of America 1977" tour t-shirts. It's one thing to wear a band t-shirt, but a fake tour t-shirt for a tour that happened before you were born?!? (Yes, it especially pisses me off since I actually saw Zeppelin in 1977 and bought that very shirt.) I just want to go up to all these kids and cuff 'em one upside the head. Buy tour t-shirts from your own generation's bands, dagnabit. you should have finished that with "and another thing..." Greg ;) m
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kent williams wrote: What I'm waiting for is for people to start dressing and styling their hairs like they do in those super early UK rave videos I've seen. As someone who got into it a little later, seeing bad 80's hair and ridiculous bulky jumpers combined with dance music is hilarious... Don't forget the flares! I think it was Paul Weller who once said that flares were the "worst fashion invention ever". My own personal pet peeve is the repro "Led Zeppelin United States of America 1977" tour t-shirts. It's one thing to wear a band t-shirt, but a fake tour t-shirt for a tour that happened before you were born?!? (Yes, it especially pisses me off since I actually saw Zeppelin in 1977 and bought that very shirt.) I just want to go up to all these kids and cuff 'em one upside the head. Buy tour t-shirts from your own generation's bands, dagnabit. --- On an unrelated-but-(313) note, Kent mentioned RePHLeX and I see that Grant Wilson-Claridge posted something on the UR Facebook tribute page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/UNDERGROUND-RESISTANCE/15822493325 What're the "Z-Tracks" he mentions? - Greg the old curmudgeon
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Bangface was doing it a couple of years ago but seems to be more about the breakcore these days - they do keep up the spirit of rave though, with smileys and inflatable toys everywhere - I gather young Americans have gone for that kind of rave aesthetic in a big way or am I wrong? Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 July 2008 16:36 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) the circle of trends I think a couple years ago the Rephlex crew were throwing parties where they played all sorts of early rave music. Trying to bring back the feeling of that first E, or something. Forget it guys, those receptors are blown. I do an abbreviated version of that when I drop Bomb Scare and Mr Kirk's nightmare, but it just seems to piss people off. What I'm waiting for is for people to start dressing and styling their hairs like they do in those super early UK rave videos I've seen. As someone who got into it a little later, seeing bad 80's hair and ridiculous bulky jumpers combined with dance music is hilarious... On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I kept feeling the early 90's Manchester biz would make a come back, >> but I haven't seen its arrival yet. > > didn't that happen with the whole "nu rave" thing? > # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
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I think a couple years ago the Rephlex crew were throwing parties where they played all sorts of early rave music. Trying to bring back the feeling of that first E, or something. Forget it guys, those receptors are blown. I do an abbreviated version of that when I drop Bomb Scare and Mr Kirk's nightmare, but it just seems to piss people off. What I'm waiting for is for people to start dressing and styling their hairs like they do in those super early UK rave videos I've seen. As someone who got into it a little later, seeing bad 80's hair and ridiculous bulky jumpers combined with dance music is hilarious... On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Frank Glazer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I kept feeling the early 90's Manchester biz would make a come back, >> but I haven't seen its arrival yet. > > didn't that happen with the whole "nu rave" thing? >
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> I kept feeling the early 90's Manchester biz would make a come back, > but I haven't seen its arrival yet. didn't that happen with the whole "nu rave" thing? peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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The Drum & Bass scene has already revisited the old school rave techno sounds back in the early 2000's. I guess depending in the circles you hang out it also helps determine which retro styles are to be in vogue. I kept feeling the early 90's Manchester biz would make a come back, but I haven't seen its arrival yet. Perhaps it's next right after the Disco/Punk/80s/Electro Rock outfits have had their moment. bb(R) On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 10:17 AM, kent williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is an interesting topic. Interesting enought that I feel > compelled to pull some completely ungrounded theorizing out of my > tuchis. > > I think what drives these cycles at it's root is that people are like > ducks -- they form their deepest emotional attachment to the music > they hear when they're young. This applies to people who actually > make music every bit as much as it does to punters. So when it comes > their turn to provide the soundtrack for the zeitgeist, they turn > naturally to the music of their youth. They update it with influences > of everything that has happened in the meantime, changes in music > technology, etc. And this trolling through the wonder years is also > reactionary -- they use elements of what they liked about music past > to counter what they dislike about music present. > > So if House music is the current vogue, it's soul and gospel roots are > an antidote to the blandness of minimal techno, combined with > nostalgia for the raw sounds of early House music. This will be > replaced in due time with something else again. And not so much > amongst us out in flyover country, but in New York, London, Berlin, > Paris, Barcelona, there's the element of fashion involved. Once > something becomes too popular amongs the hoi polloi, the in crowd > needs to find something different. > > Here's hoping that there's no big resurgence of Happy Hardcore, which > by the generational clock, is due for a revival > -- benny blanco(R) blancodisco.com
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"kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 07/02/2008 09:17:26 AM: > I think what drives these cycles at it's root is that people are like > ducks -- they form their deepest emotional attachment to the music > they hear when they're young. This applies to people who actually > make music every bit as much as it does to punters. So when it comes > their turn to provide the soundtrack for the zeitgeist, they turn > naturally to the music of their youth. They update it with influences > of everything that has happened in the meantime, changes in music > technology, etc. And this trolling through the wonder years is also > reactionary -- they use elements of what they liked about music past > to counter what they dislike about music present. yep, that's partly what my own ungrounded theory includes I just add the thing about people tending to revive the music they weren't quite old enough to fully participate in like 80s new wave synth/post-punk revival done by people who were just wee tots in the early 80s - they heard the music, maybe second hand, via an older friend or sibling but they weren't old enough to be buying the records, going to the shows, reading the rags, etc. MEK
(313) the circle of trends
This is an interesting topic. Interesting enought that I feel compelled to pull some completely ungrounded theorizing out of my tuchis. I think what drives these cycles at it's root is that people are like ducks -- they form their deepest emotional attachment to the music they hear when they're young. This applies to people who actually make music every bit as much as it does to punters. So when it comes their turn to provide the soundtrack for the zeitgeist, they turn naturally to the music of their youth. They update it with influences of everything that has happened in the meantime, changes in music technology, etc. And this trolling through the wonder years is also reactionary -- they use elements of what they liked about music past to counter what they dislike about music present. So if House music is the current vogue, it's soul and gospel roots are an antidote to the blandness of minimal techno, combined with nostalgia for the raw sounds of early House music. This will be replaced in due time with something else again. And not so much amongst us out in flyover country, but in New York, London, Berlin, Paris, Barcelona, there's the element of fashion involved. Once something becomes too popular amongs the hoi polloi, the in crowd needs to find something different. Here's hoping that there's no big resurgence of Happy Hardcore, which by the generational clock, is due for a revival
