Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
there were artists in the early to mid 70s that used the word techno to describe their musics... I will look up for record for sure, but I know its some spacerock comp I have -Joe - Original Message - From: Neontsetse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Lester Kenyatta Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever? Agreed the mixmag one left something to be desired... Maybe start your work here: http://www.ishkur.com/features/music/index.htm I learnt something from there now, I didn´t know before: IDM means intelligent dance music ? :O :o :/ :) ;) :D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I D M ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Intelligent dance music ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 1. techno appears the first time an individual associated with detroit techno comes out with an album. one of the big three in this case. öhem, in this detail-case I disagree with you: techno - was not only invented in da D Take YMO - 25 Sep 1979 SOLID STATE SURVIVOR 1st track - technopolis 25 Oct 1979 - Technopolis 7inch Technopolis is a mixed word - techno and metropolis but just one example - the whole complex - futuristic thoughts incl. the aspect of technology making futuristic art using modern technology - is old And I´m quite sure it was there in the golden age of Nubia - But - Juan Atkins way to work with this this collective cultural matter was awesome and what happened then and why there is this list - it´s a big amount of aspects which created the special D-Techno - Juan Atkins is like the father of this phenomenan m planetz2002
RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
OK, how abt a more specific question: What was the first 'Dub-techno' record? (Deliberately vague.) I'm *not* assuming Mortiz von Oswald was involved either! Ken Audax: I completely agree on all of your points, and I wont post about it again. Its something I will look into doing when I have time to muck about. For something like this, you definately have to go to the sources. Tristan: I think we can safely say this is not the right list on which to undertakethis project. Perhaps you should set up your website with these questions,
RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
here is what I know, or consider to be the start... Acid House - Phuture Ambient/Dub - Brian Eno Techno - Kraftwerk Hip Hop / Rap - Grand Master Flash Drum and Bass/Jungle - Grooverider (playing carl craig at 45) Industrial - Skinny Puppy
RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Got any titles in mind for the Ambient/Dub sub-section? Sorry to get all pin-point narrow but folk were dismaying at how impossibly broad it was to define this area! k -Original Message- From: FC3 Richards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 8:11 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: '313@hyperreal.org' Subject: RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever? here is what I know, or consider to be the start... Acid House - Phuture Ambient/Dub - Brian Eno Techno - Kraftwerk Hip Hop / Rap - Grand Master Flash Drum and Bass/Jungle - Grooverider (playing carl craig at 45) Industrial - Skinny Puppy
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
I guess its always going to be open to debate, though for me the early Modell 500 stuff has more in common with Kraftwerk and Electro than Derrick May's early music. When I think of the earliest techno that really strated to forge a sound all of its own I personally think of Rhythim is Rhythim. 'Nude Photo' has been cited before as being the first true techno record (I think this was mentioned in Techno Rebels). Stewart ___ Freeserve AnyTime, only £13.99 per month with one month's FREE trial! For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890
RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Hip Hop / Rap - Grand Master Flash wasn't sugarhill gangs 'rappers delight' released sometime around '77.. Industrial - Skinny Puppy front 242 beat skinny puppy by about two years; they started back in '81 and 'puppy around '83. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Industrial - Skinny Puppy not by about 10 years! - try Throbbing Gristle c 1975, Cabaret Voltaire 1977, Suicide 1974 ? Unless you are refering to industrial dance But I still think you'd be wrong Ian Andrews Metro Screen Sydney Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.metroscreen.com.au Metro Screen Sydney Film Centre Paddington Town Hall P.O. Box 299 Paddington NSW 2021 Ph : 612 9361 5318 Fax: 612 9361 5320
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Rapper's Delight was only the frist Rap 12 to hit the top 40 it wasn't the first at all. Trevor Wilkes - Original Message - From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 3:52 AM Subject: RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever? Hip Hop / Rap - Grand Master Flash wasn't sugarhill gangs 'rappers delight' released sometime around '77.. Industrial - Skinny Puppy front 242 beat skinny puppy by about two years; they started back in '81 and 'puppy around '83. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Veering dangerouly off topic - wasn't there a bit of controversy over the fact that the lyrics had been bought off someone - cant remember the name - oh yes I can cassanova fly (in facy there is even a bit which goes 'im the C-A-S an the O-V-A and the rest is F-L-Y' which they never even bothered to change to reflect the new performers) so even if it was the first record (which it wasnt) it certainly wasn't the first (or even an original) track. :-Original Message- :From: Trevor Wilkes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 10:37 AM :To: 313@hyperreal.org :Subject: Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever? : :Rapper's Delight was only the frist Rap 12 to hit the top 40 it wasn't the :first at all. : : :Trevor Wilkes :- Original Message - :From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED] :To: 313 313@hyperreal.org :Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 3:52 AM :Subject: RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever? : : : : Hip Hop / Rap - Grand Master Flash : : wasn't sugarhill gangs 'rappers delight' released sometime around '77.. : : Industrial - Skinny Puppy : : front 242 beat skinny puppy by about two years; they started back in '81 : and 'puppy around '83. : : sakke : -- : random rants and links at: : http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/ : : : :
RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
or it would be a cybotron .. liek clear ... or a numer of names - sharivari both ´82 Alleys of Your Mind came out in '81... -Original Message- From: Maarten Baute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:41 PM To: henrique casanova; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever? and i mean really techno, named that way and produced on detroit. it was by juan atkins? or it was a transmat? or it would be a cybotron .. liek clear ... or a numer of names - sharivari both ´82 or later the model 500 - no ufo´s... ´85 when did the start to use the term techno anyway? I think it first appeared on the techno, new dance sounds of detroit compilation on 10. Cheers, Maarten
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Well, that's where I drew the line --- where Detroit's stuff stopped sounding like Detroit House ... or some splinter of the Chicago sound. -d On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess its always going to be open to debate, though for me the early Modell 500 stuff has more in common with Kraftwerk and Electro than Derrick May's early music. When I think of the earliest techno that really strated to forge a sound all of its own I personally think of Rhythim is Rhythim. 'Nude Photo' has been cited before as being the first true techno record (I think this was mentioned in Techno Rebels). Stewart ___ Freeserve AnyTime, only ?13.99 per month with one month's FREE trial! For more information visit http://www.freeserve.com/time/ or call free on 0800 970 8890
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Industrial - Skinny Puppy front 242 beat skinny puppy by about two years; they started back in '81 and 'puppy around '83. And Throbbing Gristle preceded them all, of course. - Greg (who hears Cabaret Voltaire, DAF, I Feel Love and Home Computer whenever he hears Sharivari)
(313) what was the first techno record ever?
and i mean really techno, named that way and produced on detroit. it was by juan atkins? or it was a transmat? take care you all
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
and i mean really techno, named that way and produced on detroit. it was by juan atkins? or it was a transmat? or it would be a cybotron .. liek clear ... or a numer of names - sharivari both ´82 or later the model 500 - no ufo´s... ´85 when did the start to use the term techno anyway? I think it first appeared on the techno, new dance sounds of detroit compilation on 10. Cheers, Maarten
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
At 9:40 PM +0200 10/10/02, Maarten Baute wrote: or it would be a cybotron .. liek clear ... or a numer of names - sharivari both ´82 and Maarten's correct, these are both usually credited as being the first techno records. Despite the fact that when they came out, there wasn't any descriptive term that matched the sound. Soon, it would be widely considered Detroit House though it's not really fair to use that term, since it implies that Detroit got its sound from Chicago, which isn't a particularly accurate way to look at it. when did the start to use the term techno anyway? I think it first appeared on the techno, new dance sounds of detroit compilation on 10. indeed, it's the byproduct of the marketing hype to move the sound into Europe. as of 1990-2, you could ask the old school freaks what techno is, and they wouldn't know. but they'd been to the parties, and knew the sound. the terminology comes after the sound. -marc
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Actually, it appeals to my 'trivial' nature to know what the first records were for all electronic genres... can anyone fill in the blanks? Vector Audax Iam Electro - Original Message - From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:40 pm Subject: Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever? and i mean really techno, named that way and produced on detroit. it was by juan atkins? or it was a transmat? or it would be a cybotron .. liek clear ... or a numer of names - sharivari both ´82 or later the model 500 - no ufo´s... ´85 when did the start to use the term techno anyway? I think it first appeared on the techno, new dance sounds of detroit compilation on 10. Cheers, Maarten
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[marc christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Soon, it would be widely considered Detroit House though it's not really fair to use that term, since it implies that Detroit got its sound from Chicago, which isn't a particularly accurate way to look at it. Well, every history I've ever read said that Detroit techno producers got started by hearing music at the Warehouse. -- :: atomly :: [ [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.atomly.com ... [ atomiq records : po box 805319 chicago il 60680 : 877.741.3571 ...
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
That's a bit tougher considering the sliding definitions of all electronic genres what is the first trip-hop record? what is the first minimal blip-house record? what is the first locked groove tribal record? kind of a big task and sort of like splitting hairs? [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 10/10/02 02:58 PMcc: Subject: Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever? Actually, it appeals to my 'trivial' nature to know what the first records were for all electronic genres... can anyone fill in the blanks? Vector Audax Iam Electro - Original Message - From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:40 pm Subject: Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever? and i mean really techno, named that way and produced on detroit. it was by juan atkins? or it was a transmat? or it would be a cybotron .. liek clear ... or a numer of names - sharivari both ´82 or later the model 500 - no ufo´s... ´85 when did the start to use the term techno anyway? I think it first appeared on the techno, new dance sounds of detroit compilation on 10. Cheers, Maarten
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Yes, but once its done, you can put them on a webpage and never have to wonder again. Actually, I think there was a map included with a Mixmag one time... but i'd rather not use that. I am sure there are articles out there too... but nothing as straight forward as a list. You wouldnt have to go too deep there are key points as long as you stay within 'electronic'... I'd like to know them. House (post Disco Era) Acid House Garage Ambient/Dub Techno Electro Trance Goa/Psychadelic Trance Happy Hardcore (perhaps we can turn a blind eye to this one?) Breaks (electronic-based I suppose... this one could go way back) Trip Hop Hip Hop / Rap Drum and Bass Jungle Hardcore (Rotterdam, etc) Intelligent Dance Music (IDM) Synthpop Industrial VA IE - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, October 10, 2002 4:04 pm Subject: Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever? That's a bit tougher considering the sliding definitions of all electronicgenres what is the first trip-hop record? what is the first minimal blip- houserecord? what is the first locked groove tribal record? kind of a big task and sort of like splitting hairs? [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org 10/10/02 02:58 PMcc: Subject: Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever? Actually, it appeals to my 'trivial' nature to know what the first recordswere for all electronic genres... can anyone fill in the blanks? Vector Audax Iam Electro - Original Message - From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:40 pm Subject: Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever? and i mean really techno, named that way and produced on detroit. it was by juan atkins? or it was a transmat? or it would be a cybotron .. liek clear ... or a numer of names - sharivari both ´82 or later the model 500 - no ufo´s... ´85 when did the start to use the term techno anyway? I think it first appeared on the techno, new dance sounds of detroit compilation on 10. Cheers, Maarten
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:49 PM Subject: Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever? Yes, but once its done, you can put them on a webpage and never have to wonder again. Actually, I think there was a map included with a Mixmag one time... but i'd rather not use that. I am sure there are articles out there too... but nothing as straight forward as a list. I think we can safely say this is not the right list on which to undertake this project. Perhaps you should set up your website with these questions, then solicit answers from the applicable lists? Maybe set up some kind of a form so people can add comentary so you can be the arbiter of consesnsus. Agreed the mixmag one left something to be desired... Maybe start your work here: http://www.ishkur.com/features/music/index.htm The scope of this list is way too narrow to take on something like you're after though. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
The one that all the journos hail as the first is Cybotron's Alleys Of Your Mind from 1981, but I'm sure many 313ers will suggest otherwise. -Original Message- From: henrique casanova [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:37 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) what was the first techno record ever? and i mean really techno, named that way and produced on detroit. it was by juan atkins? or it was a transmat? take care you all Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
That's a bit tougher considering the sliding definitions of all electronic genres what is the first trip-hop record? what is the first minimal blip-house record? what is the first locked groove tribal record? kind of a big task and sort of like splitting hairs? Even what is the first electronic record? Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 10 Oct 2002 about following: Actually, I think there was a map included with a Mixmag one time... but i'd rather not use that. I am sure there are articles out there You wouldnt have to go too deep there are key points as long as you stay within 'electronic'... I'd like to know them. http://www.jahsonic.com/ gives you nice overview on many things. sakke -- random rants and links at: http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
I completely agree on all of your points, and I wont post about it again. Its something I will look into doing when I have time to muck about. For something like this, you definately have to go to the sources. VA IE - Original Message - From: Tristan Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, October 10, 2002 4:58 pm Subject: Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever? I think we can safely say this is not the right list on which to undertakethis project. Perhaps you should set up your website with these questions, then solicit answers from the applicable lists? Maybe set up some kind of a form so people can add comentary so you can be the arbiter of consesnsus. Agreed the mixmag one left something to be desired... Maybe start your work here: http://www.ishkur.com/features/music/index.htm The scope of this list is way too narrow to take on something like you'reafter though. Tristan = Text/Mixes: http://phonopsia.tripod.com Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, henrique casanova wrote: and i mean really techno, named that way and produced on detroit. it was by juan atkins? or it was a transmat? take care you all three ways to define it: 1. techno appears the first time an individual associated with detroit techno comes out with an album. one of the big three in this case. Under this definition it'd have to be ALLEYS OF YOUR MIND by Cybotron. Nothing comes before it...I don't think SHari Vari does. 2. techno appears the first time the term is uttered in a genre-like manner in a song produced by someone affiliated with detroit. Under this definition I think it'd be Future by Model 500. Take a look around you...techno's here to stay. 3. Techno appears the first time the term is used as a record title for a record produced by someone in detroit. Under this definition I think it'd be the compilation by Ten Records. To be really strict I think we'd have to either go with #3, OR point to some record that comes after someone begins to use the term as a grouping moniker in an interview somewhere. If for example Juan is talking about techno music referring explicitly to his stuff back in the eighties, then anything produced after that point by him could be plausibly referred to as techno. what do people think about this? peace lks
Re: (313) what was the first techno record ever?
Agreed the mixmag one left something to be desired... Maybe start your work here: http://www.ishkur.com/features/music/index.htm I learnt something from there now, I didn´t know before: IDM means intelligent dance music ? :O :o :/ :) ;) :D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I D M ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Intelligent dance music ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ,D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 1. techno appears the first time an individual associated with detroit techno comes out with an album. one of the big three in this case. öhem, in this detail-case I disagree with you: techno - was not only invented in da D Take YMO - 25 Sep 1979 SOLID STATE SURVIVOR 1st track - technopolis 25 Oct 1979 - Technopolis 7inch Technopolis is a mixed word - techno and metropolis but just one example - the whole complex - futuristic thoughts incl. the aspect of technology making futuristic art using modern technology - is old And I´m quite sure it was there in the golden age of Nubia - But - Juan Atkins way to work with this this collective cultural matter was awesome and what happened then and why there is this list - it´s a big amount of aspects which created the special D-Techno - Juan Atkins is like the father of this phenomenan m planetz2002
