Re: [313] carl craig asked to step down!
and don't forget the salaries commitees = lots of time and no decision. i was thinking about his whole advisory committee thing. maybe its not a bad idea. lets look to other areas of the world that use committees to choose. the NCAA and the basketball tournament selection committee begin with parameters for who should make it into the tournament. each member of the selection committee has different ideas and are fans of different teams. however when the committee meets, they use their collective opinion and ideas to select the teams. i think that the artistic worth of future demf line-ups would be better with a committee that represents detroit as opposed to the (right or wrong?) opinion of carl craig. just my opinion...no harm no foul _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] CARL CRAIG ASKED TO STEP DOWN
Carl Craig has been asked to step down as creative director for the DEMF. Read: http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/demf11_20010511.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] CARL CRAIG ASKED TO STEP DOWN
[Roberto Ty [EMAIL PROTECTED]] Carl Craig has been asked to step down as creative director for the DEMF. Read: http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/demf11_20010511.htm Oh great, next year's festival lineup is going to be chosen by a committee! I can't wait to see Tall Paul Van Oakensashweed headline next year! Well, I guess it was cool while it lasted. -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com NOTE: mp3.com has now removed my artist page. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] CARL CRAIG ASKED TO STEP DOWN
- Original Message - From: Roberto Ty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 7:47 AM Subject: [313] CARL CRAIG ASKED TO STEP DOWN Carl Craig has been asked to step down as creative director for the DEMF. Read: http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/demf11_20010511.htm First thing that popped into my mind when I heard this: Craig said that in the world of techno music -- where artists often act as their own agents and are frequently abroad -- it is difficult securing the volume of paperwork that comes with an event the size of the DEMF. But personally, I'll worry about this when we discuss it from January-April 2002. Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - Music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info http://www.metatrackstudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] CARL CRAIG ASKED TO STEP DOWN
Interesting, however from what I have read, I thought the festival was Mr.Craig's brainchild...and now he is ousted? Personally, I liked the idea of bringing in acts from around the world, and not just Detroit. This list seems too quiet or should we go back to talking about essential mixes :) Jess Carl Craig has been asked to step down as creative director for the DEMF. Read: http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/demf11_20010511.htm _ http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - Voice chat, mail alerts, stock quotes and favourite news and lots more! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] CARL CRAIG ASKED TO STEP DOWN
F***in hell!!! See, no sooner as they get their foot in the door, they take over... He'd better not stand down... No down they'll be using strong arm tactics to persuade him to hand the DEMF over... Those b*ds. If anything happens, we have to remain true to the scene alright?!?! Underground, 300 years ahead, they can't kill us all... Nick (Dj Pacific:) --- Roberto Ty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Carl Craig has been asked to step down as creative director for the DEMF. Read: http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/demf11_20010511.htm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] CARL CRAIG ASKED TO STEP DOWN
Interesting, however from what I have read, I thought the festival was Mr.Craig's brainchild...and now he is ousted? Personally, I liked the idea of bringing in acts from around the world, and not just Detroit. This list seems too quiet I think everyone is formulating opinions at the moment. Personally, I can see both sides. On one side you have Carl Craig, an international presence in this music, and a native Detroiter, with a sense of patriotism towards his home city. He not only tries to head this festival for three years, but he also runs a pretty large independant record label, and manages it (from what I know), and also has the responsibility to make sure that all of the appearing artists are not only compensated, but also comfortable. We all know, that it is not entirely his fault that all the acts are not yet _confirmed_, because - let's face it - all of these guys are pretty busy, travelling around and during their thing. On the other side of the fence, you've got a major attraction to the city, and a major contributor of cash, wanting to make sure that they get what has been advertised. In any mainstream event, if this were to transpire (lack of proper confirmation), the event would not go on, or would be severly hampered by the sponsors. This (i guess) is the median between sponsors having a say, and sponsors wanting their money's worth. My personal opinion is that Carl should be fully responsible, and then after the festival, if things are not what they should have been in the promoters eye, that's when a decision like this should be announced. Not now. This is an attention getting scheme from Cpop or the city, or someone. I wouldn't be suprised if Carl was able to pull everything off by May 30th, and they cancelled the termination. Cheers! Dennis or should we go back to talking about essential mixes :) Jess Carl Craig has been asked to step down as creative director for the DEMF. Read: http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/demf11_20010511.htm _ http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - Voice chat, mail alerts, stock quotes and favourite news and lots more! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] CARL CRAIG ASKED TO STEP DOWN
The creative director should have someone to help with paperwork. I guess unless we know what Carl's contract consists of it's hard to make an accurate evaluation on the situation. However, Carl's knowledge and diverse musical interest results in an incredible lineup of artists that you may not get a chance to see if someone else was doing the artist planning. From: Jessica M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] CARL CRAIG ASKED TO STEP DOWN Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:31:16 +1000 (EST) Interesting, however from what I have read, I thought the festival was Mr.Craig's brainchild...and now he is ousted? Personally, I liked the idea of bringing in acts from around the world, and not just Detroit. This list seems too quiet or should we go back to talking about essential mixes :) Jess Carl Craig has been asked to step down as creative director for the DEMF. Read: http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/demf11_20010511.htm _ http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - Voice chat, mail alerts, stock quotes and favourite news and lots more! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] CARL CRAIG ASKED TO STEP DOWN
On Fri, 11 May 2001, Nick Walsh wrote: F***in hell!!! See, no sooner as they get their foot in the door, they take over... He'd better not stand down... No down they'll be using strong arm tactics to persuade him to hand the DEMF over... http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/demf11_20010511.htm In my opinion the situation is not _that_ bad, or doesn't seem to be anyway: Marvin said the role of creative director will be filled next year by an advisory board made up of artists and others in the Detroit techno industry. I don't know exactly what kind of artists and other people they are referring to by saying that, but my guess is that if they attempt to put other than Detroit people (who are down with the underground :) as the main responsible persons they may have another riot in their hands. So, let's keep our eyes and ears open, but I don't see any cause for an alarm yet. J -- Jussi Lehtonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.netppl.fi/~sandman Do not allow yourself to be programmed. For once, in your life, take control. Take control. - UR - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] CARL CRAIG ASKED TO STEP DOWN
Hi everybody, Before we start accusing anyone of being an evil bastard out to corrupt americas youth and steal techno, we need some more info. It is real easy to yell and scream when you have no real information about what is really going on. Scares them tho, doesn't it... There's more of us... Perhaps you're right tho, maybe I'm jumping to conclusions. What do we do if it happens tho? What if they start selling OUR music as if it was always theirs? Maybe it's a big plot by Sony so that they own everything Mad Mike wouldn't let them have... Nick:) Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Paranoia of them taking over (was: [313] CARL CRAIG ASKED TO STEP DOWN)
On Fri, 11 May 2001, Nick Walsh wrote: conclusions. What do we do if it happens tho? What if they start selling OUR music as if it was always theirs? Maybe it's a big plot by Sony so that they own everything Mad Mike wouldn't let them have... By at least _then_ we'll have to do what we did during the Sony-episode: to stand up for our rights. Working in an IT-company, this image resembles IMO a bit the situation the Open Source community is now facing because of Microsoft's attempts to take over the OS-concept: It's open source and available to everyone and everybody has the rights for it, but we still own it and we will make the rules. J -- Jussi Lehtonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.netppl.fi/~sandman Do not allow yourself to be programmed. For once, in your life, take control. Take control. - UR - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] carl craig asked to step down!
i was thinking about his whole advisory committee thing. maybe its not a bad idea. lets look to other areas of the world that use committees to choose. the NCAA and the basketball tournament selection committee begin with parameters for who should make it into the tournament. each member of the selection committee has different ideas and are fans of different teams. however when the committee meets, they use their collective opinion and ideas to select the teams. i think that the artistic worth of future demf line-ups would be better with a committee that represents detroit as opposed to the (right or wrong?) opinion of carl craig. just my opinion...no harm no foul -sam __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] carl craig asked to step down!
commitees = lots of time and no decision. From: Samuel Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] carl craig asked to step down! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:59:53 -0700 (PDT) i was thinking about his whole advisory committee thing. maybe its not a bad idea. lets look to other areas of the world that use committees to choose. the NCAA and the basketball tournament selection committee begin with parameters for who should make it into the tournament. each member of the selection committee has different ideas and are fans of different teams. however when the committee meets, they use their collective opinion and ideas to select the teams. i think that the artistic worth of future demf line-ups would be better with a committee that represents detroit as opposed to the (right or wrong?) opinion of carl craig. just my opinion...no harm no foul -sam __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] carl craig asked to step down!
But who will be on this commitee, and who will choose those people? Marvin said the role of creative director will be filled next year by an advisory board made up of artists and others in the Detroit techno industry. That's still sort of vague. I can think of other commitees that aren't so good, like the people that choose the Grammy awards. Wasn't it the Beatles and Led Zeppelin among others that never received one? And I remember Jethro Tull winning best metal (or was it hard rock) album over Metallica one year. There's politics involved there I'm sure, and I'd hate for the same happen to the DEMF committee. Kevin --- Samuel Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i was thinking about his whole advisory committee thing. maybe its not a bad idea. lets look to other areas of the world that use committees to choose. the NCAA and the basketball tournament selection committee begin with parameters for who should make it into the tournament. each member of the selection committee has different ideas and are fans of different teams. however when the committee meets, they use their collective opinion and ideas to select the teams. i think that the artistic worth of future demf line-ups would be better with a committee that represents detroit as opposed to the (right or wrong?) opinion of carl craig. just my opinion...no harm no foul -sam __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] carl craig asked to step down!
There's politics involved there I'm sure, and I'd hate for the same happen to the DEMF committee. talking strictly as an outside observer looking in, i'd say there's been a lot of politics involved already, whether just one individual or a commitee. t;) - Original Message - From: Kevin Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [313] carl craig asked to step down! But who will be on this commitee, and who will choose those people? Marvin said the role of creative director will be filled next year by an advisory board made up of artists and others in the Detroit techno industry. That's still sort of vague. I can think of other commitees that aren't so good, like the people that choose the Grammy awards. Wasn't it the Beatles and Led Zeppelin among others that never received one? And I remember Jethro Tull winning best metal (or was it hard rock) album over Metallica one year. There's politics involved there I'm sure, and I'd hate for the same happen to the DEMF committee. Kevin --- Samuel Hobbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i was thinking about his whole advisory committee thing. maybe its not a bad idea. lets look to other areas of the world that use committees to choose. the NCAA and the basketball tournament selection committee begin with parameters for who should make it into the tournament. each member of the selection committee has different ideas and are fans of different teams. however when the committee meets, they use their collective opinion and ideas to select the teams. i think that the artistic worth of future demf line-ups would be better with a committee that represents detroit as opposed to the (right or wrong?) opinion of carl craig. just my opinion...no harm no foul -sam __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] carl craig asked to step down!
talking strictly as an outside observer looking in, i'd say there's been a lot of politics involved already, whether just one individual or a commitee. True. Imagine the politics involved with a 20 or more person committee with multiple sponsors. yikes :) Kevin __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: [313] carl craig asked to step down!
Kevin Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: talking strictly as an outside observer looking in, i'd say there's been a lot of politics involved already, whether just one individual or a commitee. After reading the article this morning and a few of the posts lately I find it interesting that so much political wrangling is taking place over a free festival aimed a benefiting the parks dept. I could see if this was a ticketed event and there was a concern over the event breaking even let alone making a profit. I agree that it is too soon to start pointing fingers at anyone SFX, Carol, or Derrick. I actually think the best thing everyone should do at this point is fire an email to Carl and thank him for all his efforts. He obviously took some risks with the line up this year and offered something unexpected. That's the role of an artistic director. Did he think there would be controversy over it, probably. I have a feeling though that something else is going on. dave ironic prediction, t-1000 will be on the 'commitee' - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] carl craig asked to step down!
i think it should be a commitee made up of The Martiananyone who has recorded under that name can be on the commitee if you ask me... lets get rid of politics and drama jeff -Original Message- From: Kevin Conrad [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 9:51 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] carl craig asked to step down! But who will be on this commitee, and who will choose those people? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] carl craig asked to step down!
it was hard rock and the look of surprise on ian andersons face(lol). and it was really interesting to see the awards comm give metallica a token award I forget it was best new artist I think. (when they had already been a band for 8 years.) lars had some funny comments on that fiasco. Scott Laakso --- --- imajin/ imagine http://www.mp3.com/i_majin http://www.ampcast.com/imagine - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] carl craig asked to step down!
lars had some funny comments on that fiasco. not as funny as the crowds reaction at the MTV awards this year when shawn fanning came on stage...hahahaha the miserable boring old napster hating corporate whore rock dinosaur... - Original Message - From: Scotto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [313] carl craig asked to step down! it was hard rock and the look of surprise on ian andersons face(lol). and it was really interesting to see the awards comm give metallica a token award I forget it was best new artist I think. (when they had already been a band for 8 years.) lars had some funny comments on that fiasco. Scott Laakso --- --- imajin/ imagine http://www.mp3.com/i_majin http://www.ampcast.com/imagine - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
