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In case someone missed my point: the f***ing Jaguar ripoff is in the British top3! Yeah, it is time to burn, time to burn this sh*t to the ground! J. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 11:41 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] OUTRAGE! When action Aaaah!!! Maa!!! This requires major action!!! Cornelius, what should we do? John As seen on the NME-site: <
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What's this about a mysterious video for Revenge. by Rolando with UR cruising around Detroit in lowriders - or is someone playing with me? At any rate, more than one person has mentioned this to me now. Re: trance Jaguar, maybe it's time for phase two - the unleashing of the digital wasps, wasps are more vicious than bees and they don't 'die' after the first sting. Peace Cyclone >In case someone missed my point: the f***ing Jaguar ripoff is in the British >top3! Yeah, it is time to burn, time to burn this sh*t to the ground!
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In case someone missed my point: the f***ing Jaguar ripoff is in the British > top3! Yeah, it is time to burn, time to burn this sh*t to the ground! > As seen on the NME-site: > < > Last Week This Week Title Artist Label > 1 I FEEL FOR YOU BOB SINCLAR DEFECTED > 4 2 HOW'S YOUR EVENING SO FAR JOSH WINK & LIL LOUIS FFRR > > 1 3 TIME TO BURNSTORM DATA Umm, John, are you sure we're talking about the same track? I listened to some realaudio samples on www.juno.co.uk and the bbc.co.uk site and it doesn't sound like the Jaguar ripoff at all? Also, half of Storm is Mark Spoon from Jam&Spoon, which would be a totally new character to this story. Or did I miss something? Otto
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As far as I knew the trance remix was on the Dance Division label... cya later, Nick(Dj Pacific:) --- Otto Koppius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In case someone missed my point: the f***ing > Jaguar ripoff is in the British > > top3! Yeah, it is time to burn, time to burn this > sh*t to the ground! > > > As seen on the NME-site: > > < August 14 2000. > > > > Last Week This Week Title Artist > Label > > 1 I FEEL FOR YOU BOB SINCLAR > DEFECTED > > 4 2 HOW'S YOUR EVENING SO FAR > JOSH WINK & LIL LOUIS FFRR > > > > 1 3 TIME TO BURNSTORM DATA > > Umm, John, are you sure we're talking about the same > track? > I listened to some realaudio samples on > www.juno.co.uk and the bbc.co.uk > site and it doesn't sound like the Jaguar ripoff at > all? Also, half of > Storm is Mark Spoon from Jam&Spoon, which would be a > totally new > character to this story. > > Or did I miss something? > > Otto > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
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From: Otto Koppius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [313] OUTRAGE! When action Umm, John, are you sure we're talking about the same track? I listened to some realaudio samples on www.juno.co.uk and the bbc.co.uk site and it doesn't sound like the Jaguar ripoff at all? Also, half of Storm is Mark Spoon from Jam&Spoon, which would be a totally new character to this story. Its not that Jaguar rip-off, its some wack trance track that samples very heavily from X-101s _Sonic Destroyer_ (the 'rave' stabs at the beginning). The Jaguar rip-off was in (initially) a legally grey area due to its 'cover' status but this one is blatant sampling with, I'm guessing, no clearance from Mike/UR. Whats even more appalling is that, as pointed out, it got to number three in the UK (its now at number six). || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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I reckon the only thing we can do... is what we did with the jaguar rip off and that's boycott the label and artist and all of their products, encouraging others to do so along the way... That's the way I see it... They need to know that crime doesn't pay. cya, Nick (Dj Pacific:) --- Simon Walley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >From: Otto Koppius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [313] OUTRAGE! When action > > > >Umm, John, are you sure we're talking about the > same track? > >I listened to some realaudio samples on > www.juno.co.uk and the bbc.co.uk > >site and it doesn't sound like the Jaguar ripoff at > all? Also, half of > >Storm is Mark Spoon from Jam&Spoon, which would be > a totally new > >character to this story. > > Its not that Jaguar rip-off, its some wack trance > track that samples very > heavily from X-101s _Sonic Destroyer_ (the 'rave' > stabs at the beginning). > > The Jaguar rip-off was in (initially) a legally grey > area due to its 'cover' > status but this one is blatant sampling with, I'm > guessing, no clearance > from Mike/UR. > > Whats even more appalling is that, as pointed out, > it got to number three in > the UK (its now at number six). > > || [CiM] > || [EMAIL PROTECTED] > || [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
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I reckon the guys at UR should take them to court and demand compensation,
and for the rest can we close the subject, it has only been like 6 months
that we 've been discussing this.
JayCee
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I reckon the only thing we can do... is what we did
with the jaguar rip off and that's boycott the label
and artist and all of their products, encouraging
others to do so along the way... That's the way I see
it... They need to know that crime doesn't pay.
cya,
Nick (Dj Pacific:)
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> >Umm, John, are you sure we're talking about the
> same track?
> >I listened to some realaudio samples on
> www.juno.co.uk and the bbc.co.uk
> >site and it doesn't sound like the Jaguar ripoff at
> all? Also, half of
> >Storm is Mark Spoon from Jam&Spoon, which would be
> a totally new
> >character to this story.
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> Its not that Jaguar rip-off, its some wack trance
> track that samples very
> heavily from X-101s _Sonic Destroyer_ (the 'rave'
> stabs at the beginning).
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> The Jaguar rip-off was in (initially) a legally grey
> area due to its 'cover'
> status but this one is blatant sampling with, I'm
> guessing, no clearance
> from Mike/UR.
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> Whats even more appalling is that, as pointed out,
> it got to number three in
> the UK (its now at number six).
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Simon Walley wrote: Its not that Jaguar rip-off, its some wack trance track that samples very heavily from X-101s _Sonic Destroyer_ (the 'rave' stabs at the beginning). God knows how many "rave"-records were there that sampled the infamous "chant" from UR. That African-type tribal "WAR-chant"... I think the original was from Riot EP. Proffit Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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From: Jan Claeyssens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [313] OUTRAGE! When action I reckon the guys at UR should take them to court and demand compensation, and for the rest can we close the subject, it has only been like 6 months that we 've been discussing this. Its not just the monetary value of the UR sample they illegally used, its the fact that this is the second time the majors have tried to screw UR over. There should never have been a first time. And not just because its UR - this could be any label we enjoy talking about on this list. One of the reasons that the Jaguar rip-off was pulled is because of the massive dissemination of information from people - off the net, nearly every UK dance music magazine ran a news piece on it (be interested to know if this was true in other countries?). On the net it was mentioned on many other lists other than just 313, protest and petition sites were started, etc. Public awareness of what Sony were doing just blew up. You want to close this subject so you can talk more about music perhaps? Issues like this threaten the very music you want to talk about. And, as always, if you don't like the subject, theres always the 'delete' key. || [CiM] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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>Its not just the monetary value of the UR sample they illegally used, its >the fact that this is the second time the majors have tried to screw UR >over. There should never have been a first time. And not just because its UR >- this could be any label we enjoy talking about on this list. what about artists and labels we enjoy talking about on this list who have used illegaly samples from other artists, sometimes artists signed on majors ? :) just have a look to http://www.forcefield.org/guide.html cheers disk.system
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> I reckon the only thing we can do... is what we did > with the jaguar rip off and that's boycott the label > and artist and all of their products, encouraging > others to do so along the way... That's the way I see > it... They need to know that crime doesn't pay. Just so you all know, Sony owns about 40 or 50 record labels world wide, the largest being Epic and Colombia (with about 20 sublabels under them). I have been researching thier company and can post all the labels they own. Furthermore, I assume this boycott goes beyond sony music. It should also include a boycott of Playstation, thier electronics and the other companies they own like Awia, sony pictures (which means no 28 days, Center Stage, Hollow Man, Loser, or the Patroit not to mention Godzilla 2000, Final Fantasy and Charlie's Angels which are comming soon), a boycott of all movies and tv produced by Columbia Tristar (Riki Lake, Days of Our Lives, Donie and Marie, Dawson's Creek, and the Young and the Restless), the Game Show Network, and Pay Per View. Keep this in mind when watching TV and when buying electronic equptment (not to mention computer equiptment). When going to the movies (to see non-Sony related movies of course) make sure to avoid any theaters owned by Loews Cineplex, as they are part of Sony. If you live in San Fran, avoid the Metreon, and in New York City avoid the Technology Museum. Its really scary to see how powerful sony is. The thing is though, if we do an effective boycott of Sony because of the immitation Jaguar, in order for it to be effective it would have to be on a larger level. That would mean that the song would lose some of its "underground" status. Just something to consider.
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I believe the saying goes: "save the world, kill yourself" listening to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on my _sony_ headphones, diana Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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yup v.true... it would lose some of it's underground status but ppl listen to this trance rip off and think it's the actual jaguar tune... I wouldn't actually mind the original going onto the mainstream chart... The fact is that people need to give respect where it is due. This is one of the major thing's that society has lost these last 20 years or so. However, people power is stronger than it ever has been, these days it's recognised by governments and courts that everyone has rights and UR has a right to recognition and rights to all the dough Sony have made from ppl who unwittingly bought their trashy ripoff of what is, in many techno people's eyes, a classic... It's musical sacrilidge... People just need to know what the score is, it's up to us to tell the mainstream... Nick(Dj Pacific:) --- Christos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I reckon the only thing we can do... is what we > did > > with the jaguar rip off and that's boycott the > label > > and artist and all of their products, encouraging > > others to do so along the way... That's the way I > see > > it... They need to know that crime doesn't pay. > > Just so you all know, Sony owns about 40 or 50 > record labels world wide, > the largest being Epic and Colombia (with about 20 > sublabels under them). > I have been researching thier company and can post > all the labels they > own. > > Furthermore, I assume this boycott goes beyond sony > music. It should also > include a boycott of Playstation, thier electronics > and the other > companies they own like Awia, sony pictures (which > means no 28 days, > Center Stage, Hollow Man, Loser, or the Patroit not > to mention Godzilla > 2000, Final Fantasy and Charlie's Angels which are > comming soon), a > boycott of all movies and tv produced by Columbia > Tristar (Riki Lake, Days > of Our Lives, Donie and Marie, Dawson's Creek, and > the Young and the > Restless), the Game Show Network, and Pay Per View. > Keep this in mind > when watching TV and when buying electronic > equptment (not to mention > computer equiptment). > > When going to the movies (to see non-Sony related > movies of course) make > sure to avoid any theaters owned by Loews Cineplex, > as they are part of > Sony. If you live in San Fran, avoid the Metreon, > and in New York City > avoid the Technology Museum. > > Its really scary to see how powerful sony is. The > thing is though, if we > do an effective boycott of Sony because of the > immitation Jaguar, in order > for it to be effective it would have to be on a > larger level. That would > mean that the song would lose some of its > "underground" status. Just > something to consider. > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
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À (At) 15:44 + 17/08/0, Simon Walley écrivait (wrote) : >>what about artists and labels we enjoy talking about on this list who have >>used illegaly samples from other artists, sometimes artists signed on >>majors ? :) > >But thats okay :) > >No, thats a good point. The difference is that (generally speaking) for >small scale independent artists and labels, you don't sample someone elses >work purely because you want to make money out of it. You might use it for >any number of reasons but purely to make money won't be one of them. > >Carl Craig, Jeff Mills, etc. would probably quite happily talk about the >reasons for using a given sample and the respect they have for the original >artist. Same with a lot of hip-hop producers. i had recently the opportunity recently to listen to several original tracks sampled by famous detroit musicians. this have sighlty changed my mind about them. since i consider some detroit tracks being artistic ripp-off. that's my modest feelings. >The difference here is that no respect is being paid. The sample is being >used because it is a good, effective, dancefloor sample. The rip-off guys >know it - they also know that UR is a small, independent label compared to >Sony or whoever is releasing this and that legal action would be tricky and >costly for them to initiate. > >Basically, they know they can rip-off other artists hard work, pass it off >as their own and fear no reprisals. This is wrong. > >Its a sliding scale with 'purely artistic usage' at one end and 'purely >money making' at the other. Where as independent artists might be all over >that scale (some justifiable, some questionable), the major label rip-offs >will always crash in on the money making side.
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they did take them to court didn't they? The thing is Sony has an army of lawyers and the laws for the entertainment industry is full of loopholes. Sony know about all this stuff. They wouldn't have ripped the tune off if they knew they couldn't get away with it. Nick(Dj Pacific:) --- Jan Claeyssens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I reckon the guys at UR should take them to court > and demand compensation, > and for the rest can we close the subject, it has > only been like 6 months > that we 've been discussing this. > > JayCee > > -Original Message- > From: Nick Walsh [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: donderdag 17 augustus 2000 16:22 > To: Simon Walley > Cc: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject:Re: [313] OUTRAGE! When action > > I reckon the only thing we can do... is what we did > with the jaguar rip off and that's boycott the > label > and artist and all of their products, encouraging > others to do so along the way... That's the way I > see > it... They need to know that crime doesn't pay. > > cya, > Nick (Dj Pacific:) > --- Simon Walley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >From: > Otto Koppius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: Re: [313] OUTRAGE! When action > > > > > >Umm, John, are you sure we're talking about the > > same track? > > >I listened to some realaudio samples on > > www.juno.co.uk and the bbc.co.uk > > >site and it doesn't sound like the Jaguar ripoff > at > > all? Also, half of > > >Storm is Mark Spoon from Jam&Spoon, which would > be > > a totally new > > >character to this story. > > > > Its not that Jaguar rip-off, its some wack trance > > track that samples very > > heavily from X-101s _Sonic Destroyer_ (the 'rave' > > stabs at the beginning). > > > > The Jaguar rip-off was in (initially) a legally > grey > > area due to its 'cover' > > status but this one is blatant sampling with, I'm > > guessing, no clearance > > from Mike/UR. > > > > Whats even more appalling is that, as pointed > out, > > it got to number three in > > the UK (its now at number six). > > > > || [CiM] > > || [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > || [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with > Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/
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yeah been meaning to post about this samples also has another sound sampled from the track which goes all the way through grr - Original Message - From: Simon Walley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [313] OUTRAGE! When action > >From: Otto Koppius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [313] OUTRAGE! When action > > > >Umm, John, are you sure we're talking about the same track? > >I listened to some realaudio samples on www.juno.co.uk and the bbc.co.uk > >site and it doesn't sound like the Jaguar ripoff at all? Also, half of > >Storm is Mark Spoon from Jam&Spoon, which would be a totally new > >character to this story. > > Its not that Jaguar rip-off, its some wack trance track that samples very > heavily from X-101s _Sonic Destroyer_ (the 'rave' stabs at the beginning). > > The Jaguar rip-off was in (initially) a legally grey area due to its 'cover' > status but this one is blatant sampling with, I'm guessing, no clearance > from Mike/UR. > > Whats even more appalling is that, as pointed out, it got to number three in > the UK (its now at number six). > > || [CiM] > || [EMAIL PROTECTED] > || [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
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What ifthe sample was used in a_techno_tune that everyone here thought was really cool (not some "cheesy" trance track), BUT the artist still didn't get it cleared from UR? Let's say it came out on a white label. How would you feel about it...would you still try to get it? Be honest. Fred From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Simon Walley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] OUTRAGE! When action Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:09:02 +0100 >Its not just the monetary value of the UR sample they illegally used, its >the fact that this is the second time the majors have tried to screw UR >over. There should never have been a first time. And not just because its UR >- this could be any label we enjoy talking about on this list. what about artists and labels we enjoy talking about on this list who have used illegaly samples from other artists, sometimes artists signed on majors ? :) just have a look to http://www.forcefield.org/guide.html cheers disk.system - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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h...white label...i always thought alot of records were white label only was because the artist couldn't get clearance for a sample...that and because they were just testing the market. if it was a good bangin techno track or house track i don't think i would mind so much. but it pisses me off so much that trance is getting all this mainstream action while our boys from detroit get no respect. paul van dyke gets his respect, when is juan or derrick, kevin or MIKE (whose labels samples keep getting stolen) going to get theirs?? jeff ps...i also think as much as it hurts to have something stolen, it is also a complement in a way. it obviously ment that a few other people really liked what you did, just didn't appreciate it or respect it the way it was ment to be. stolen... > -Original Message- > From: FRED MCMURRY [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 4:13 PM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: [313] OUTRAGE! When action > > What ifthe sample was used in a_techno_tune that everyone here thought > > was really cool (not some "cheesy" trance track), BUT the artist still > didn't get it cleared from UR? Let's say it came out on a white label. How > > would you feel about it...would you still try to get it? Be honest. > > Fred > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: "Simon Walley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >CC: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: RE: [313] OUTRAGE! When action > >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:09:02 +0100 > > > > >Its not just the monetary value of the UR sample they illegally used, > its > > >the fact that this is the second time the majors have tried to screw UR > > >over. There should never have been a first time. And not just because > its > >UR > > >- this could be any label we enjoy talking about on this list. > > > > > >what about artists and labels we enjoy talking about on this list who > have > >used illegaly samples from other artists, sometimes artists signed on > >majors ? :) > > > >just have a look to http://www.forcefield.org/guide.html > > > >cheers > > > > > >disk.system > > > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
