RE: [313] kraftwerk bookies?
I Was a Robot: This book is shockingly self-revealing...imagine a Sprockets-style spoof with all its camp-Freudian-silliness and you're about halfway there in terms of the tell-all auto(erotic)biography confessional Flur spins. No exaggeration; there are early masturbation stories in full-effect. I think the translation makes it (excuse the pun) stiffer than it should be, but damn, it's entertaining and a bit like Springer when you want to look away but simply can't through morbid voyeurism. His youthful crushes are detailed along with some seedier bits of has-been film stars throwing themselves at him in drunken loneliness. In one such episode, he gets to keep his would be conqueror's fine Italian leather shoes after a failed pitch for woo. His descriptions of touring early on in the backwaters of America make the book worth the asking price alone. This is a highly recommended read if only for the pure exhilaration of sharing his obvious lust for life that he shares so freely without any hint of embarrassment. -Original Message- From: Tom Butcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 4:09 PM To: tom churchill Cc: Super Coffee Beans; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] kraftwerk bookies? Oops, actually it was Wolfgang Flur who wrote I Was a Robot. just saw at amazon 2 books about kraftwerk one by a a guy called bussy and the other by a guy called barr. did any of you got to read this books? r they any good? Tim Barr's book is superb - he's one of the UK's finest electronic music journalists without a doubt and I highly recommend his Kraftwerk book... Agreed. I've read them both, and I think the Barr test is better. You can also find 'I Was a Robot' by Karl Bartos, which is nice for the full-color photos. --- Tom Butcher --- Tom Butcher - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I loved I was a Robot. to me it has a very Anne Rice Interview with the Vampire feel to it, complete with the ultra sad ending where years later Loius finds the formerly luxuriuosly LeStat an old frightened shell of his former self, hiding in a dilapidated building sucking the blood of rats and mice uh... what was I talking about again? :^) no. seriously. compare the two books. gotta go now, here come the fellas with the stretch jacket and shock treatments again... sean LR2 wrote: I Was a Robot: This book is shockingly self-revealing...imagine a Sprockets-style spoof with all its camp-Freudian-silliness and you're about halfway there in terms of the tell-all auto(erotic)biography confessional Flur spins. No exaggeration; there are early masturbation stories in full-effect. I think the translation makes it (excuse the pun) stiffer than it should be, but damn, it's entertaining and a bit like Springer when you want to look away but simply can't through morbid voyeurism. His youthful crushes are detailed along with some seedier bits of has-been film stars throwing themselves at him in drunken loneliness. In one such episode, he gets to keep his would be conqueror's fine Italian leather shoes after a failed pitch for woo. His descriptions of touring early on in the backwaters of America make the book worth the asking price alone. This is a highly recommended read if only for the pure exhilaration of sharing his obvious lust for life that he shares so freely without any hint of embarrassment. -Original Message- From: Tom Butcher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 4:09 PM To: tom churchill Cc: Super Coffee Beans; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] kraftwerk bookies? Oops, actually it was Wolfgang Flur who wrote I Was a Robot. just saw at amazon 2 books about kraftwerk one by a a guy called bussy and the other by a guy called barr. did any of you got to read this books? r they any good? Tim Barr's book is superb - he's one of the UK's finest electronic music journalists without a doubt and I highly recommend his Kraftwerk book... Agreed. I've read them both, and I think the Barr test is better. You can also find 'I Was a Robot' by Karl Bartos, which is nice for the full-color photos. --- Tom Butcher --- Tom Butcher - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The book by Tim Barr is excellent. Also try : 'I was a Robot' by Wolfgang Flür for some more indepth (and gossip! ;-) John From: Super Coffee Beans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] kraftwerk bookies? Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:28:29 +0200 just saw at amazon 2 books about kraftwerk one by a a guy called bussy and the other by a guy called barr. did any of you got to read this books? r they any good? kind regards and happy YOM HATZMAUT too all of you! Yair. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm surprised by this. Personally I couldn't agree less. I thought the book was pretty lacking in all departments. the research is pretty lazy with most details being rehashed from previous interviews, and Barr does his best to suggest that Kraftwerk single-handedly created all modern music (with occasional assistance from Bowie). Whilst the book's remit might have meant he was preaching to the converted I found it all a little tiresome. I fact this argument (which I'm just dying to believe anyway) would have been all the more convincing if he'd actually bothered to look into the contemporary work which also stimulated these genres rather than basically shouting 'Numbers!', 'Autobahn!', 'Very Influential!' ad infinitum. I understand Barr has worked for the NME in the past, and to be honest this is what From Dusseldorf... reminded me of, the same poorly argued sensationalism over and over again. In my opinion it wastes a great subject and I came away from the book a bit pissed off that I'd wasted my time on it at all. I'm in the minority here, but I'd advise you to steer well clear... great title though. -s Tim Barr's book is superb - he's one of the UK's finest electronic music journalists without a doubt and I highly recommend his Kraftwerk book... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'd agree with Seth here, but would add that Bussy's book is nothing more than anecdotal, and does not reveal anything of worth to the average Kraftwerk fan. But then again, not being able to interview either Ralf or Florian doesn't help much when it comes to original material. Flur's book is amusing, but I couldn't help but get the feeling that he was just gutted when they got rid of him. Perhaps what all the books do is help carry on their own enigmatic myth. - Original Message - From: seth redmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [313] kraftwerk bookies? I'm surprised by this. Personally I couldn't agree less. I thought the book was pretty lacking in all departments. the research is pretty lazy with most details being rehashed from previous interviews, and Barr does his best to suggest that Kraftwerk single-handedly created all modern music (with occasional assistance from Bowie). Whilst the book's remit might have meant he was preaching to the converted I found it all a little tiresome. I fact this argument (which I'm just dying to believe anyway) would have been all the more convincing if he'd actually bothered to look into the contemporary work which also stimulated these genres rather than basically shouting 'Numbers!', 'Autobahn!', 'Very Influential!' ad infinitum. I understand Barr has worked for the NME in the past, and to be honest this is what From Dusseldorf... reminded me of, the same poorly argued sensationalism over and over again. In my opinion it wastes a great subject and I came away from the book a bit pissed off that I'd wasted my time on it at all. I'm in the minority here, but I'd advise you to steer well clear... great title though. -s Tim Barr's book is superb - he's one of the UK's finest electronic music journalists without a doubt and I highly recommend his Kraftwerk book... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Having read I was a Robot, I do believe that Flur was not only gutted but a bit confused about Ralph and Florian's attitude towards him and his book.. I mean come off it how sad is it for them to bring out so many court junction so that he couldn't even write half the book he wanted. I have to say that I feel Flur was an ok guy and it seemed strasnge that even if he was gutted , he wouldn't make all that stuff up or else they would of banned that as well... -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 April 2002 13:15 To: seth redmond; 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [313] kraftwerk bookies? I'd agree with Seth here, but would add that Bussy's book is nothing more than anecdotal, and does not reveal anything of worth to the average Kraftwerk fan. But then again, not being able to interview either Ralf or Florian doesn't help much when it comes to original material. Flur's book is amusing, but I couldn't help but get the feeling that he was just gutted when they got rid of him. Perhaps what all the books do is help carry on their own enigmatic myth. - Original Message - From: seth redmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [313] kraftwerk bookies? I'm surprised by this. Personally I couldn't agree less. I thought the book was pretty lacking in all departments. the research is pretty lazy with most details being rehashed from previous interviews, and Barr does his best to suggest that Kraftwerk single-handedly created all modern music (with occasional assistance from Bowie). Whilst the book's remit might have meant he was preaching to the converted I found it all a little tiresome. I fact this argument (which I'm just dying to believe anyway) would have been all the more convincing if he'd actually bothered to look into the contemporary work which also stimulated these genres rather than basically shouting 'Numbers!', 'Autobahn!', 'Very Influential!' ad infinitum. I understand Barr has worked for the NME in the past, and to be honest this is what From Dusseldorf... reminded me of, the same poorly argued sensationalism over and over again. In my opinion it wastes a great subject and I came away from the book a bit pissed off that I'd wasted my time on it at all. I'm in the minority here, but I'd advise you to steer well clear... great title though. -s Tim Barr's book is superb - he's one of the UK's finest electronic music journalists without a doubt and I highly recommend his Kraftwerk book... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Memo from Alex Bond of PricewaterhouseCoopers Start of message text Hmm, books of this sort are a bit hit and miss and very much depend on the authors opinions. I just finished reading a new-ish book about Talking Heads, which was enjoyable, but by the end of it I was sick of the authors apparent obsession with David Byrne, as opposed to the overall band. Knowing that this is JUST their opinion is something that I don't always consider automatically when picking up a book, (as opposed to a magazine or newspaper article) for some reason I always expect it to be more well researched and an un-bias view. I know this is down to my stupidity, but I dunno, I just expect them to be more valid pieces of journalism for some reason. That Tim Barr used to be the editor? of a magazine in England, the name of it escapes me, but the reason I remember is because my mate wrote a very long article on Robert Hood for it and shortly after they went bust, and I don't think he ever got paid for it. He was an excellent journalist though, if only because there were only a couple of people in England at the time (Magic Feet was just starting too) pushing some of the 2nd/3rd wave Detroit guys into the media, and he was probably the most high profile guy, so therefore his articles were always a couple of pages long, and, of course I was fascinated to read anything about anyone from Detroit. Anyway, my point is that I don't think the guy deserves a slating, in fact I think he might deserve a few props, especially from some of the Detroit guys who he gave valuable column inches to. Maybe he just bit off a little more than he could chew writing a WHOLE book about just one band, I applaud him for trying anyway. Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 17/04/2002 13:14:46 Please respond to Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:seth redmond [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: [313] kraftwerk bookies? I'd agree with Seth here, but would add that Bussy's book is nothing more than anecdotal, and does not reveal anything of worth to the average Kraftwerk fan. But then again, not being able to interview either Ralf or Florian doesn't help much when it comes to original material. Flur's book is amusing, but I couldn't help but get the feeling that he was just gutted when they got rid of him. Perhaps what all the books do is help carry on their own enigmatic myth. - Original Message - From: seth redmond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [313] kraftwerk bookies? I'm surprised by this. Personally I couldn't agree less. I thought the book was pretty lacking in all departments. the research is pretty lazy with most details being rehashed from previous interviews, and Barr does his best to suggest that Kraftwerk single-handedly created all modern music (with occasional assistance from Bowie). Whilst the book's remit might have meant he was preaching to the converted I found it all a little tiresome. I fact this argument (which I'm just dying to believe anyway) would have been all the more convincing if he'd actually bothered to look into the contemporary work which also stimulated these genres rather than basically shouting 'Numbers!', 'Autobahn!', 'Very Influential!' ad infinitum. I understand Barr has worked for the NME in the past, and to be honest this is what From Dusseldorf... reminded me of, the same poorly argued sensationalism over and over again. In my opinion it wastes a great subject and I came away from the book a bit pissed off that I'd wasted my time on it at all. I'm in the minority here, but I'd advise you to steer well clear... great title though. -s Tim Barr's book is superb - he's one of the UK's finest electronic music journalists without a doubt and I highly recommend his Kraftwerk book... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. The principal place of business of PricewaterhouseCoopers and its associate partnerships is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH where lists of the partners' names are available for inspection
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Alex Bond: That Tim Barr used to be the editor? of a magazine in England, the name of it escapes me, but the reason I remember is because my mate wrote a very long article on Robert Hood for it and shortly after they went bust, and I don't think he ever got paid for it. He was an excellent journalist though, if only because there were only a couple of people in England at the time (Magic Feet was just starting too) pushing some of the 2nd/3rd wave Detroit guys into the media, and he was probably the most high profile guy, so therefore his articles were always a couple of pages long, and, of course I was fascinated to read anything about anyone from Detroit. is Generator the magazine you mention? it's shame that one went belly-up... aside from your mate not getting paid, as you say Generator used to give a pretty decent amount of coverage to techno, and Detroit techno in particular. rob _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I remember Mark EG was one of the writers at Generator who gave quite a lot of coverage to Detroit artists, but he always had a leaning towards ludicrously hard techno. I got a record by him fairly recently whose title was pretty self-explanatory - Mad Music Engagement. It's a shame that magazines like Muzik and Mixmag survived while Generator went belly-up - it wasn't too bad, really. I also remember Mindfood, the short-lived ambient fanzine (they gave my tape a nice review, but then again I did work with most of them - nepotism at work!), and Under One Sky, the global techno thing. It's funny looking back at how essential mags and fanzines were, back in those days before the internet had a major impact! Brendan -Original Message- From: rob webb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 April 2002 15:03 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] kraftwerk bookies? Alex Bond: That Tim Barr used to be the editor? of a magazine in England, the name of it escapes me, but the reason I remember is because my mate wrote a very long article on Robert Hood for it and shortly after they went bust, and I don't think he ever got paid for it. He was an excellent journalist though, if only because there were only a couple of people in England at the time (Magic Feet was just starting too) pushing some of the 2nd/3rd wave Detroit guys into the media, and he was probably the most high profile guy, so therefore his articles were always a couple of pages long, and, of course I was fascinated to read anything about anyone from Detroit. is Generator the magazine you mention? it's shame that one went belly-up... aside from your mate not getting paid, as you say Generator used to give a pretty decent amount of coverage to techno, and Detroit techno in particular. rob _ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Legal Disclaimer This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message that arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes only. our website at: http://www.widelearning.com Wide Learning is a trading name of Wide Multimedia Ltd Registered office: 33-41 Dallington Street, London EC1V 0BB Company number: 3339664 VAT number: 690 8399 83 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] kraftwerk bookies?
just saw at amazon 2 books about kraftwerk one by a a guy called bussy and the other by a guy called barr. did any of you got to read this books? r they any good? kind regards and happy YOM HATZMAUT too all of you! Yair. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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just saw at amazon 2 books about kraftwerk one by a a guy called bussy and the other by a guy called barr. did any of you got to read this books? r they any good? Tim Barr's book is superb - he's one of the UK's finest electronic music journalists without a doubt and I highly recommend his Kraftwerk book... Cheers, Tom | tom churchill | emoticon recordings | http://www.emoticonrecordings.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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just saw at amazon 2 books about kraftwerk one by a a guy called bussy and the other by a guy called barr. did any of you got to read this books? r they any good? Tim Barr's book is superb - he's one of the UK's finest electronic music journalists without a doubt and I highly recommend his Kraftwerk book... Agreed. I've read them both, and I think the Barr test is better. You can also find 'I Was a Robot' by Karl Bartos, which is nice for the full-color photos. --- Tom Butcher - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oops, actually it was Wolfgang Flur who wrote I Was a Robot. just saw at amazon 2 books about kraftwerk one by a a guy called bussy and the other by a guy called barr. did any of you got to read this books? r they any good? Tim Barr's book is superb - he's one of the UK's finest electronic music journalists without a doubt and I highly recommend his Kraftwerk book... Agreed. I've read them both, and I think the Barr test is better. You can also find 'I Was a Robot' by Karl Bartos, which is nice for the full-color photos. --- Tom Butcher --- Tom Butcher - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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did he also design the demf poster? -Original Message- From: Tom Butcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tom churchill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Super Coffee Beans [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: 16 April 2002 21:16 Subject: Re: [313] kraftwerk bookies? Oops, actually it was Wolfgang Flur who wrote I Was a Robot. just saw at amazon 2 books about kraftwerk one by a a guy called bussy and the other by a guy called barr. did any of you got to read this books? r they any good? Tim Barr's book is superb - he's one of the UK's finest electronic music journalists without a doubt and I highly recommend his Kraftwerk book... Agreed. I've read them both, and I think the Barr test is better. You can also find 'I Was a Robot' by Karl Bartos, which is nice for the full-color photos. --- Tom Butcher --- Tom Butcher - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
