RE: [313] mills vs .ca
I honestly find difficult imagine him asking 100k for a gig it was for NYE 2000, another popular techno luminary talked about often on 313 was asking not much less to play in adelaide on the same night (he didn't play in the end). its big business and dont be fooled. I'm not sure that someone whos plays records (well or not) are worth that but its all in the wallet of the beholder i guess. as well as asking 15k for a melbourne club. apparently the sliding scale system works for a lot of these guys. thursdays might be 8k, friday 12k and saturday nights might be 15k. It's not really our business, unless this is a forum for promoters. I totally disagree! why should it be kept a secret? j
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do belive booking him is big venue = big pay affair. something around 5k-10k should be a right figure. Just had a look, $5000 US to $1 US = $8,764.24 AUD to $17,528.48 AUD That fits into my original quoting of $15K _Australian_ dollars Also, for Sydney, the amount that the promoters here (fuzzy) paid also includes the extra commission on top that Richie Rich of Hardware Melbourne charges since he brought him out to Australia. I honestly find difficult imagine him asking 100k for a gig as well So do I, but that doesn't discount the fact that there may have been a major bidding war between promoters worldwide to get Mills to play at their party on NYE 2000. as asking 15k for a melbourne club. (I've been in australia and Rolando played in Sydney in a 600 people venue) I was there. That was a small underground party. Jeff Mills filled home night club on a Wednesday night which has a capacity of 2000+ people. oh well, whatever, dave. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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In a message dated 06/09/00 23:26:25 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, 100K was crazy speculation, but the figures that I was quoting was Australian dollars, on US, so depending on the conversion rate at the time, his asking price could appproach AU$15K. Also keep in mind that the promoters who brought him to Sydney in April are in a position to give Mills this kind of money anyhow. If I remember correctly, the 100K quote was for nye2000, and in that case, its not crazy speculation at all. I dont know if Mills was asking for that much, but I know that others were. According to Radio 1, Carl Cox played two gigs that night, and for each one of them recieved 100,000 pounds, which is more like $160,000 in the US. One of them was in Sydney, and I think the other was in Honolulu or something like that. Not bad going really, 200,000 pounds for playing records for 4 hours! Aaron
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I honestly find difficult imagine him asking 100k for a gig as well as asking 15k for a melbourne club. (I've been in australia and Rolando played in Sydney in a 600 people venue) Sydney has a very small techno scene relative to Melbourne, say. And it's winter here. So that underground gig, which was actually very well attended in the circumstances, is not typical. In Melbourne it was a bigger venue. Mills played 6000 here in Melbourne in April. What's more, he very kindly did phone interviews with a few select writers in advance, which would have taken up a day of his time. So I think such professionalism and courtesy should be rewarded. But honestly can we leave all this talk of booking to Mills, his agent/manager and the promoters. It's not really our business, unless this is a forum for promoters. The figures on this list were grossly exaggerated, I have no doubt. In fact the figures seem to be growing each time the speculation arises. It's kinda crazy. Heard any good records lately anyone? What is the new Alton Miller like??
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I honestly find difficult imagine him asking 100k for a gig as well as asking 15k for a melbourne club. (I've been in australia and Rolando played in Sydney in a 600 people venue) OK, 100K was crazy speculation, but the figures that I was quoting was Australian dollars, on US, so depending on the conversion rate at the time, his asking price could appproach AU$15K. Also keep in mind that the promoters who brought him to Sydney in April are in a position to give Mills this kind of money anyhow. I'll just shut from now on out. d. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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I don't know, but I can say He's a hell of a lot cheaper than I expected... - Original Message - From: .. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 4:02 PM Subject: [313] mills vs .ca http://www.coolboard.com/msgshow.cfm/msgboard=773266295701506msg=6815454797 5372page=1idDispSub=433266295712583 what is the deal? _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Like I always say, there is always two side to a story. Maybe if you read Jeff's you will reconsider. www.axisrecords.com People, please. Peace I don't know, but I can say He's a hell of a lot cheaper than I expected... http://www.coolboard.com/msgshow.cfm/msgboard=773266295701506msg=6815454797 5372page=1idDispSub=433266295712583
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excuse me, but what are you all talking about??? as far as Jeff Mills is concerned???
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no, no. I have no problem with Jeff, I'm just commenting on the amount that the promoter paid for flight and deposit was rather slim, considering who we are talking about... I just always figured that Jeff is about a US$20,000 investment (or there about)... anyways, I looked all over the sight, and can't seem to locate anything about this little mishap... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [313] mills vs .ca Like I always say, there is always two side to a story. Maybe if you read Jeff's you will reconsider. www.axisrecords.com People, please. Peace I don't know, but I can say He's a hell of a lot cheaper than I expected... http://www.coolboard.com/msgshow.cfm/msgboard=773266295701506msg=681545479 7 5372page=1idDispSub=433266295712583 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I just always figured that Jeff is about a US$20,000 investment (or there about)... I heard figures of around $100K for his performance in Melbourne this NYE just past. I think his non-NYE performance in April (?) was around AU$15000. out. d. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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To answer your question: The promoter of the tour failed to apply for the work visa properly by giving inaccurate information on the application. As the result, when entering Canada through Toronto on Thursday, I was detained for 1 hour, charged triple the amount for the visa and given a violation on my passport. Which means, if I should ever come to Canada again for work/whatever, I can expect to be pulled aside and detained!. And, this is probably indefinite. To make the promoter accountable(which is next to impossible to do), I double all the fees for the remainder of the tour(2 dates). He do not agree, I canceled. Jeff Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3.Sep.2000 / 21:01 hrs that does generate some sort of sympathy, but not much. at best it shifts some of the blame to the promoters. how much does that visa cost compared to how much he raised his fees? sure, the promoter didn't do what he was supposed to (this isn't a new story, why aren't both sides more careful?). but there is a question as to if this was intentional on the part of the promoter or not, how did he end up putting down inaccurate information? an invonvinience clause was probably not in the contract. and it wasn't just mills that was inconvinienced. i'm sure people remember mills (or the lack thereof) at st. andrews in detroit. cancelled because not enough tickets were sold. like people in detroit buy tickets in advance when they don't have to. mills, spinning to an empty venue in detroit. ha. maybe his reputation had already preceeded him and people were afraid to buy tickets presale (the case with my friends and i). i really don't like it when big djs make it inconvinient for their fans. we don't forget it. anyway, enough of that. cheers. -- Joshua Hill / [EMAIL PROTECTED] / icq: 3045997 www.hillhaus.com / www.ai-studio.com University of Michigan - Philosophy -- - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [313] mills vs .ca Like I always say, there is always two side to a story. Maybe if you read Jeff's you will reconsider. www.axisrecords.com People, please. Peace I don't know, but I can say He's a hell of a lot cheaper than I expected... http://www.coolboard.com/msgshow.cfm/msgboard=773266295701506msg=681545479 7 5372page=1idDispSub=433266295712583 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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that does generate some sort of sympathy, but not much. at best it shifts some of the blame to the promoters. how much does that visa cost compared to how much he raised his fees? sure, the promoter didn't do what he was supposed to (this isn't a new story, why aren't both sides more careful?). but there is a question as to if this was intentional on the part of the promoter or not, how did he end up putting down inaccurate information? an invonvinience clause was probably not in the contract. and it wasn't just mills that was inconvinienced. I work for a club in Canada that regularly brings in American djs. We've definitely learned the hard way that it is imperative that the artist's work visa is processed accurately and on time. When it wasn't, we accepted full responsibility. Getting a work visa is not that difficult - if you know what you're doing. I believe the original post said that the booking was handled by 514 Productions in Montreal. They have been bringing in international djs on a regular basis for awhile and have most likely applied for dozens of these visas - there's really no excuse for this kind of mistake. And if the inaccuracies on the application were made purposely, it seems a little shady. (maybe 514 covering up something else?) Getting in trouble at the border is more than an inconvenience...when Richie got in trouble at the border, he was banned from the U.S.! I can understand Jeff being worried about the implications of this incident. As for him doubling his fee to get back at the promoter, I do agree that it was unecessary...it really seems a bit childish. I'm sure there was a more professional way to deal with the promoter's mistake. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
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If you don't take a stand sometimes people will walk all over you in this industry - I totally understand, I am having to put my foot down myself after being crossed one too many times. People will use any excuse they can not to pay you or to not to honour an agreement (not that I am saying this is what happened in this case but it is an all too common scenario in this industry) and I do know at least one very, very big name (not 313) who has come to Australia and been exploited - just because you are an icon doesn't guarantee you immunity. Remember also that many people of colour cop bullshit from customs people (it's called 'racial profiling') and if a person of colour has a violation then they are gonna be put through the ringer more than someone who is of West European extraction. Why should anyone put up with this? I think the value of money is insignificant - it's an issue of principle. that does generate some sort of sympathy, but not much. at best it shifts some of the blame to the promoters. how much does that visa cost compared to how much he raised his fees? sure, the promoter didn't do what he was supposed to (this isn't a new story, why aren't both sides more careful?). but there is a question as to if this was intentional on the part of the promoter or not, how did he end up putting down inaccurate information? an invonvinience clause was probably not in the contract. and it wasn't just mills that was inconvinienced.
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Hello, To speak of his behavior being childish I would say the US government does it all the time, especially in civil cases where recovery is awarded to a victim through Punitive (meant to punish) Damages. I salute Jeff... Ryan Heard -Original Message- From: Carissa Tintinalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 7:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] mills vs .ca that does generate some sort of sympathy, but not much. at best it shifts some of the blame to the promoters. how much does that visa cost compared to how much he raised his fees? sure, the promoter didn't do what he was supposed to (this isn't a new story, why aren't both sides more careful?). but there is a question as to if this was intentional on the part of the promoter or not, how did he end up putting down inaccurate information? an invonvinience clause was probably not in the contract. and it wasn't just mills that was inconvinienced. I work for a club in Canada that regularly brings in American djs. We've definitely learned the hard way that it is imperative that the artist's work visa is processed accurately and on time. When it wasn't, we accepted full responsibility. Getting a work visa is not that difficult - if you know what you're doing. I believe the original post said that the booking was handled by 514 Productions in Montreal. They have been bringing in international djs on a regular basis for awhile and have most likely applied for dozens of these visas - there's really no excuse for this kind of mistake. And if the inaccuracies on the application were made purposely, it seems a little shady. (maybe 514 covering up something else?) Getting in trouble at the border is more than an inconvenience...when Richie got in trouble at the border, he was banned from the U.S.! I can understand Jeff being worried about the implications of this incident. As for him doubling his fee to get back at the promoter, I do agree that it was unecessary...it really seems a bit childish. I'm sure there was a more professional way to deal with the promoter's mistake.
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Hello, Interestingly enough I heard a news blip on NPR on a similar thing. Asians coming into Portland, Oregan are strip-searched and harrassed more by Customs than any other place in the United States... So much so that they've generally stopped flying into that area. I'd imagine Customs anywhere is not fun, and the thought of having to go through hell every time I entered a certain country (esp. if I were an internationally-traveled and reknowned DJ) would infuriate me to no end. In this landscape of deceit, sometimes rough strong-arm tactics are required where there is no oversight. You have to hit these people where it hurts... the pocketbook. Ryan Heard -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 8:31 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: [313] mills vs .ca If you don't take a stand sometimes people will walk all over you in this industry - I totally understand, I am having to put my foot down myself after being crossed one too many times. People will use any excuse they can not to pay you or to not to honour an agreement (not that I am saying this is what happened in this case but it is an all too common scenario in this industry) and I do know at least one very, very big name (not 313) who has come to Australia and been exploited - just because you are an icon doesn't guarantee you immunity. Remember also that many people of colour cop bullshit from customs people (it's called 'racial profiling') and if a person of colour has a violation then they are gonna be put through the ringer more than someone who is of West European extraction. Why should anyone put up with this? I think the value of money is insignificant - it's an issue of principle.
[313] mills vs .ca
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