RE: [313] the longg dj set
For the Dancer it might be good to have the song changed every 3-4 minutes but at 35 yrs Im now a Listerner and prefer to hear the whole song to feel it as a composition...OTOH a good set is composed in a similar manner.. Feets Dont Fail Me Know... > -Original Message- > From: Lester Kenyatta Spence [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 4:27 PM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: [313] the longg dj set > > i've been listening to betaloung, and groovetechand there is a > distinctly different approach to dj sets than say ten + years ago. rather > than about a MINUTE of a song, then a segue, djs now play the whole > songor close to it, before bringing in something else. > > does this occur as a result of djs having to spin 6-8 hour setsor is > there something else going on? > > > > peace > lks > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] the longg dj set
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Re: [313] the longg dj set
This is a great question!!! I think its because the whole notion of the DJ being a creative artist is lost. The newer DJ's never even thought of creating, they entertain, "rockstardom", the very thing we rebelled against to begin with... Instead of "oh, I am going to take this hook, and this break down and create something new", it has become *exactly* what a wedding or radio DJ or a POP band does, they play *exactly* what the crowd wants to hear... The older DJ's, or some of the persistent ones (like myself) find the creation to be for more interesting, and far more valid. But the problem here is that this is very hard to communicate to a new DJ. So many times, that I actually got in arguments with "normal" non techno orientated people about DJing. They could not understand that it can be more that just playing records... darw_n "create, demonstrate, toneshift..." http://www.thedemonstration.com http://www.sphereproductions.com http://www.mannequinodd.com search "djdarwin" on napster - Original Message - From: "Lester Kenyatta Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 11:27 AM Subject: [313] the longg dj set > i've been listening to betaloung, and groovetechand there is a > distinctly different approach to dj sets than say ten + years ago. rather > than about a MINUTE of a song, then a segue, djs now play the whole > songor close to it, before bringing in something else. > > does this occur as a result of djs having to spin 6-8 hour setsor is > there something else going on? > > > > peace > lks > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
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darwin stop talking out your ass. you always scrutinize everything too much. how can you say that creative djs are lost. you dont think theres any good djs anymore?? ive heard one of your dj sets and it wasnt that great. now to get back to what the original question was. just becuse some dj from betalounge let some of his tracks play doesnt me all djs nowaday do that shit. look at jeff mills look at dj bone... theres lots of djs that will drop tracks like crazy. From: "darw_n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I think its because the whole notion of the DJ being a creative artist is lost. The newer DJ's never even thought of creating, they entertain, "rockstardom", the very thing we rebelled against to begin with... Instead of "oh, I am going to take this hook, and this break down and create something new", it has become *exactly* what a wedding or radio DJ or a POP band does, they play *exactly* what the crowd wants to hear... The older DJ's, or some of the persistent ones (like myself) find the creation to be for more interesting, and far more valid. But the problem here is that this is very hard to communicate to a new DJ. So many times, that I actually got in arguments with "normal" non techno orientated people about DJing. They could not understand that it can be more that just playing records... darw_n "create, demonstrate, toneshift..." http://www.thedemonstration.com http://www.sphereproductions.com http://www.mannequinodd.com search "djdarwin" on napster - Original Message - From: "Lester Kenyatta Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 11:27 AM Subject: [313] the longg dj set > i've been listening to betaloung, and groovetechand there is a > distinctly different approach to dj sets than say ten + years ago. rather > than about a MINUTE of a song, then a segue, djs now play the whole > songor close to it, before bringing in something else. > > does this occur as a result of djs having to spin 6-8 hour setsor is > there something else going on? > > > > peace > lks > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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i play on groovetech most every week (have a regular 10 to noon pst slot on saturdays but travel quite a bit lately so others fill in.) at any rate, for me, i am definately guilty of playing more of the song before mixing (and sometimes not mixing at all.) i know i will get flack from some zealants out there but i do not believe that every time i step behind the decks i have to produce a mix or art or whatever. i am presenting music that i happen to want to listen to that morning. i do not have a chance to really listen to music during the week, i mean sit down and focus on the music, so i use my radio time to explore new arrivals and re-fresh on the old and nelected. of course, i tend also to play songs that i do not often play out, it is also about context. call me craze, but i can not wake up saturday morning and pop off 2 hours of dancefloor pumpers before noon:) if i felt comforatble with a mic, i probably do at least some of the time what TP has talked about: playing tracks beginning to end and talk about the song and the history. personally, i feel a lot is lost between the legends and whatever is newest and greatest. cheers. ben sims. On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: `i've been listening to betaloung, and groovetechand there is a `distinctly different approach to dj sets than say ten + years ago. rather `than about a MINUTE of a song, then a segue, djs now play the whole `songor close to it, before bringing in something else. ` `does this occur as a result of djs having to spin 6-8 hour setsor is `there something else going on? ` ` ` `peace `lks ` ` ` ` `- `To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] `For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ` `
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> > darwin stop talking out your ass. K... > you always scrutinize everything too > much. K... > how can you say that creative djs are lost. you dont think theres > any good djs anymore?? No, when did I say that?? I said that lately, the notion of the mix has been down played by playing records for the crowd, as opposed to creating a new song... And another thing, and someone brought this up. Play the whole record does not mean your bad, Vath speaks of that very well I think... >ive heard one of your dj sets and it wasnt that > great. First off, I play everything from deep house to trance, with influence from techno. So, I don't really expect to many people on here to like my sets, nor do I demand that. And since when did I say I was anything great?? All I know is that I try to do something the best I can. But, never once, did I suggest I was anything remarkable... Why is it that people are so freakin' irritable?? Jesus, I'm just making some observations and comments about my profession, I think I have done it long enough to at least be able to chip is $.02 here and there... I just like thinking and talking about the music, that's all, chill... darw_n "create, demonstrate, toneshift..." http://www.thedemonstration.com http://www.sphereproductions.com http://www.mannequinodd.com search "djdarwin" on napster
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ben sims wrote: if i felt comforatble with a mic, i probably do at least some of the time what TP has talked about: playing tracks beginning to end and talk about the song and the history. personally, i feel a lot is lost between the legends and whatever is newest and greatest. On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, Lester Kenyatta Spence wrote: `i've been listening to betaloung, and groovetechand there is a `distinctly different approach to dj sets than say ten + years ago. rather `than about a MINUTE of a song, then a segue, djs now play the whole `songor close to it, before bringing in something else. ` `does this occur as a result of djs having to spin 6-8 hour setsor is `there something else going on? ` it all depends on the purpose of the mix. personally I wish more radio shows just did straight tunes, no mixes, or maybe a polite 4 to 16 beat mix on ends, purely for continuity. I like to hear the music in its entirety, simply so I can listen to it. I make myself cd's that aren't mixes, but compilations so I can hear complete pieces, you often forget what some tracks are like in entirity as you only play 90 second of a track. You forget intro/outros, or conversely breakdowns and middle eights/sixteens.. ...admittedly when i'm in the mix, if it's techno or electro it's in and out, if it's more house orientated it's going to be slower mixing all IMHO. -- benn [royal] glazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.royaltech.net faster, more distinct, closer to the edge.
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> First off, I play everything from deep house to trance, with influence from > techno. So, I don't really expect to many people on here to like my sets, > nor do I demand that. do you play them "LIVE AT FUSE" and then share them on napster as such? yeah, I thought so. Dj Darwin LIVE @ FUSE - life feat. [keven(sic) saunderson, derrick may, afex(sic) twin, adam beyer, marco carola, isolee, Timo Maas, Richie Hawtin, rob hood, halo].mp3 deceptive titling is the mark of a true artist. TONESHIFT 4 EVA!
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HEHE[sarcasm]... why don't you ask where that came from first... And why its written like that... Its a pretty simple explainantion... And what do you care anyways??? Just a thought?? Anyways, It's not by my design that those are there, I downloaded half of my own sets of Napster, with the exception of "Life...", which ended up on there anyways. The ones that I put on there has simply my agents web address on there, nothing more. Plus its written in the way I normally write my name, with the underscore... The sets with all the name is my manager, who is a good friend of mine, trying out his "new idea" for marketing. Well, you see how outta hand it got. Also, the names are what he thought was the artists I used on that, and other recordings (there are three sets released by him from the Sphere Offices)... I personally don't own a single Richie Hawtin record. But he had it pretty close, especially the Isolee, I was surprised by that because no one in this area knows that!!! Anyways, I have been trying to figure out how to fix that issue, but its too late, so I just chalk it up as a mistake... BTW, That recording is called "life..." and it was made right here, in the basement... And none of those recordings are in anyway "toneshift" recordings, just in case you used those to try to understand the shift... darw_n "create, demonstrate, toneshift..." http://www.thedemonstration.com http://www.sphereproductions.com http://www.mannequinodd.com search "djdarwin" on napster - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "darw_n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "ryan burns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [313] the longg dj set > > First off, I play everything from deep house to trance, with influence from > > techno. So, I don't really expect to many people on here to like my sets, > > nor do I demand that. > > do you play them "LIVE AT FUSE" and then share them on napster as such? > > yeah, I thought so. > > Dj Darwin LIVE @ FUSE - life feat. [keven(sic) saunderson, derrick may, > afex(sic) twin, adam beyer, marco carola, isolee, Timo Maas, Richie > Hawtin, rob hood, halo].mp3 > > deceptive titling is the mark of a true artist. > > TONESHIFT 4 EVA! >
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> why don't you ask where that came from first... where did it come from? I've seen it shared by "darw_n" before, which I kinda doubt is an impostor, but who knows after all we all know everyone wants to be you! > And why its written like that... why is it written like that? > Its a pretty simple explainantion... (pretty simple explanation that explains nothing deleted) I didn't see any mention of why it's listed as "LIVE AT FUSE" anywhere in your simple explanation... care to explain that one? this must be some deep heady approach to self-promotion that's just waaay over my head. chris ege "create... demonstrate act like a total buffoon"
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Im kinda flattered that I am the point of frustration in your life!!!
The reason why it says [LIVE @ FUSE] is so people find it easier, same with
the artist names...
And I *did* explain why I have it on my files, its because I had to download
the two other ones (both of which are live and bootlegged). "Life..." is
the only one I made for release, which never did do to license problems...
Look, I felt stupid too when I did a vanity search on napster and WHAM, all
that came up. I respect and understand your criticisms, do you really think
I, or any other artist for that matter, would want to appear to come off
like that? As a fake?? I would hope not!!
I OKed this action, and it was a mistake, and it got circulated before I
could go over his house and check it (Hell, I didn't even thinking of
checking it till a week later, I never thought it would be an issue till
later in the game!!;). The main reason behind Sphere putting it there is so
people who might be interested in one artist, or one genre ("live @ fuse" is
in itself a Napster genre;) would find my recordings, three in all. That's
all there is to look into that; it wasn't some devious slanting move, if you
were looking up Saunderson, you *may* find my CD worth a shot. That's why
there these brackets "[*]" around the added stuff, to separate the title and
my name from the artists and that LIVE @ FUSE garbage
We all screw up, I didn't even do this, and I'll say I screwed up. Is that
OK??
I Kinda like that "Life..." CD though, I think I'll listen to it right now!!
darw_n
"create, demonstrate, make some eggs and move on with my day..."
http://www.thedemonstration.com
http://www.sphereproductions.com
http://www.mannequinodd.com
search "djdarwin" on napster
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To: "darw_n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> > why don't you ask where that came from first...
>
> where did it come from? I've seen it shared by "darw_n" before, which I
> kinda doubt is an impostor, but who knows after all we all know
> everyone wants to be you!
>
> > And why its written like that...
>
> why is it written like that?
>
> > Its a pretty simple explainantion...
>
> (pretty simple explanation that explains nothing deleted)
>
> I didn't see any mention of why it's listed as "LIVE AT FUSE" anywhere in
> your simple explanation... care to explain that one?
>
> this must be some deep heady approach to self-promotion that's just waaay
> over my head.
>
> chris ege
> "create... demonstrate act like a total buffoon"
>
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n! you're lying! i know you really wanna be a star. because we all know that only the stars can be critics, hehe, jk -chop On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, darw_n wrote: > I just like thinking and talking about the music, that's all, chill... > > darw_n
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ONLY if I can a super-star!!! Thats my total goal in life, I'm in this for the ladies!! I want limos and a car like Judge Jules (no clue what car it was, it just looked cool!!) darw_n "create, demonstrate, toneshift..." http://www.thedemonstration.com http://www.sphereproductions.com http://www.mannequinodd.com search "djdarwin" on napster - Original Message - From: "Mark Khemma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "darw_n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "ryan burns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [313] the longg dj set > > n! you're lying! i know you really wanna be a star. because we all > know that only the stars can be critics, hehe, jk > -chop > > On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, darw_n wrote: > > > I just like thinking and talking about the music, that's all, chill... > > > > darw_n >
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ok let me get this strait darwin. you recorded a set in your basement and called it DJDARWIN LIVE @ FUSE. even though it was made in your basement. your the stupidest person on 313. thanks to you darwin, when i search for a dj on napster half the results are you. thats wack that you try to blame it on your manager. whos you manager Ussel Brown??? you two should get together and tonshift on eachothers booty if you know what i meen. From: "darw_n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: "ryan burns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: Re: [313] the longg dj set Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:03:33 -0500 HEHE[sarcasm]... why don't you ask where that came from first... And why its written like that... Its a pretty simple explainantion... And what do you care anyways??? Just a thought?? Anyways, It's not by my design that those are there, I downloaded half of my own sets of Napster, with the exception of "Life...", which ended up on there anyways. The ones that I put on there has simply my agents web address on there, nothing more. Plus its written in the way I normally write my name, with the underscore... The sets with all the name is my manager, who is a good friend of mine, trying out his "new idea" for marketing. Well, you see how outta hand it got. Also, the names are what he thought was the artists I used on that, and other recordings (there are three sets released by him from the Sphere Offices)... I personally don't own a single Richie Hawtin record. But he had it pretty close, especially the Isolee, I was surprised by that because no one in this area knows that!!! Anyways, I have been trying to figure out how to fix that issue, but its too late, so I just chalk it up as a mistake... BTW, That recording is called "life..." and it was made right here, in the basement... And none of those recordings are in anyway "toneshift" recordings, just in case you used those to try to understand the shift... darw_n "create, demonstrate, toneshift..." http://www.thedemonstration.com http://www.sphereproductions.com http://www.mannequinodd.com search "djdarwin" on napster - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "darw_n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "ryan burns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [313] the longg dj set > > First off, I play everything from deep house to trance, with influence from > > techno. So, I don't really expect to many people on here to like my sets, > > nor do I demand that. > > do you play them "LIVE AT FUSE" and then share them on napster as such? > > yeah, I thought so. > > Dj Darwin LIVE @ FUSE - life feat. [keven(sic) saunderson, derrick may, > afex(sic) twin, adam beyer, marco carola, isolee, Timo Maas, Richie > Hawtin, rob hood, halo].mp3 > > deceptive titling is the mark of a true artist. > > TONESHIFT 4 EVA! > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
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Behold the beauty of the internet. Who needs talent when you have ten fingers and a mouth? On Tue, 30 Jan 2001, ryan burns wrote: > > ok let me get this strait darwin. you recorded a set in your basement and > called it DJDARWIN LIVE @ FUSE. even though it was made in your basement. > your the stupidest person on 313. thanks to you darwin, when i search for a > dj on napster half the results are you. thats wack that you try to blame it > on your manager. whos you manager Ussel Brown??? you two should get > together and tonshift on eachothers booty if you know what i meen.
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*actually possible 313 question below* one more time... It does not say "DJDARWIN LIVE @ FUSE", anywhere, to my knowledge, and that would indeed be idiotic of me to put that... if you look, it says, "djdarwin - "life..." [EMAIL PROTECTED]'sthatifancymyselfto]" The title is "life...". Notice how the friggin' name is spelled, would really want to put a "dj" onto my name?? And plaese, *notice* the damned brackets... The words in the brackets, I think, clearly show that those are simply search indexs, notice all the new bands that put similar items next to their names in order to be "found". I don't care what the hell you think, but I will readily admit that I let a bad idea slip away and get outta hand, and I admitted it was my fault for not over-seeing any "new marketing" plans... I talked to him (my manager/friend) about this today, since it's becoming really embarrassing to me, and he reminded me that neither one of us really knew how napster worked, let alone how fast it spread, it took only a few days for those three sets to spread (for some reason, only one is dominant, can't figure this out). nonetheless, now all you guys who actually are reading this know, if you put "live @ fuse" as a search index, two things will happen, you'll spread like wildfire through napster, and you'll get people who can't seem to forgive, nor understand, freaking out on you, making fun of you without knowing you, and calling things like baboon, which in its own right is interesting... Nonetheless, back to some music... What's up with Cherry Bomb these days?? And what is there story? I always dug them, but never got the full scoop on who they are... darw_n "create, demonstrate, toneshift..." http://www.thedemonstration.com http://www.sphereproductions.com http://www.mannequinodd.com search "djdarwin" on napster ----- Original Message - From: "ryan burns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [313] the longg dj set > > ok let me get this strait darwin. you recorded a set in your basement and > called it DJDARWIN LIVE @ FUSE. even though it was made in your basement. > your the stupidest person on 313. thanks to you darwin, when i search for a > dj on napster half the results are you. thats wack that you try to blame it > on your manager. whos you manager Ussel Brown??? you two should get > together and tonshift on eachothers booty if you know what i meen. > > > > >From: "darw_n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >CC: "ryan burns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: Re: [313] the longg dj set > >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 09:03:33 -0500 > > > >HEHE[sarcasm]... > > > >why don't you ask where that came from first... > > > >And why its written like that... > > > >Its a pretty simple explainantion... > > > >And what do you care anyways??? Just a thought?? > > > >Anyways, It's not by my design that those are there, I downloaded half of > >my > >own sets of Napster, with the exception of "Life...", which ended up on > >there anyways. The ones that I put on there has simply my agents web > >address on there, nothing more. Plus its written in the way I normally > >write my name, with the underscore... > > > >The sets with all the name is my manager, who is a good friend of mine, > >trying out his "new idea" for marketing. Well, you see how outta hand it > >got. Also, the names are what he thought was the artists I used on that, > >and other recordings (there are three sets released by him from the Sphere > >Offices)... > > > >I personally don't own a single Richie Hawtin record. But he had it pretty > >close, especially the Isolee, I was surprised by that because no one in > >this > >area knows that!!! > > > >Anyways, I have been trying to figure out how to fix that issue, but its > >too > >late, so I just chalk it up as a mistake... > > > >BTW, That recording is called "life..." and it was made right here, in the > >basement... > > > >And none of those recordings are in anyway "toneshift" recordings, just in > >case you used those to try to understand the shift... > > > >darw_n > > > >"create, demonstrate, toneshift..." > > > >http://www.thedemonstration.com > >http://www.sphereproductions.com > >http://www.mannequinodd.com > >search "djdarwin" on napster > >- Original Message -
