RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year
The sound at the Tate is meant to be rubbish. I really enjoyed the Velodrome; granted, the sound wasn't the best, though, but as long as RH is there, there is something magical about Kraftwerk for me. They always put on a proper do. 4 tickets for Computer World. Lovely stuff. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:mar...@dustscience.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 1:01 PM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Tate clearly doesn't have state-of-the-art admin which can match the technocratic 'Gestalt' [pardon me for being poncy] of Kraftwerk. Even so, there's little doubt that Kraftwerk would only appear at a venue [nowadays] if the sound facilities were top notch. Not so sure about that Ken, the event at Manchester Velodrome was pretty poor.
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I hyave to disagree about the staging of this kind of music. I went to a minifestival night a few years back to hear Monolake, Ryoji Ikeda and Alva Noto on the same night (Ultraminimalism). When sat half way up the slope and centrally the sound was incredible and coupled with the magnificent setting is all felt rather special. I think ill try to get some tickets through unofficial channels once all the 0s and 1s have settled. A On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:16 PM, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk wrote: The sound at the Tate is meant to be rubbish. I really enjoyed the Velodrome; granted, the sound wasn't the best, though, but as long as RH is there, there is something magical about Kraftwerk for me. They always put on a proper do. 4 tickets for Computer World. Lovely stuff. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:mar...@dustscience.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 1:01 PM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Tate clearly doesn't have state-of-the-art admin which can match the technocratic 'Gestalt' [pardon me for being poncy] of Kraftwerk. Even so, there's little doubt that Kraftwerk would only appear at a venue [nowadays] if the sound facilities were top notch. Not so sure about that Ken, the event at Manchester Velodrome was pretty poor. -- Kind Regards, Andrew Green
RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year
Hey, Did any of the UK peeps get tickets for the London Tate shows? From looking at forums it seems the Tate didn't handle the demand very well and their system crashed immediately. The web site said no in person sales and they were selling tickets over the counter too I can't go so didn't even bother but it seems like chaos, I hope this is not a sign of things to come and that the shows go off ok. -Original Message- From: Williams Graham G [mailto:graham.willi...@hpcds.com] Sent: 26 November 2012 22:24 To: 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Are there any original members still playing live or is just a cover band now? G Sent from my phone... On 22 Nov 2012, at 14:26, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk wrote: http://www.kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7720 (20121122) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
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Some Bleep43 folk got tickets I think, Paul. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:42 To: Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Hey, Did any of the UK peeps get tickets for the London Tate shows? From looking at forums it seems the Tate didn't handle the demand very well and their system crashed immediately. The web site said no in person sales and they were selling tickets over the counter too I can't go so didn't even bother but it seems like chaos, I hope this is not a sign of things to come and that the shows go off ok. -Original Message- From: Williams Graham G [mailto:graham.willi...@hpcds.com] Sent: 26 November 2012 22:24 To: 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Are there any original members still playing live or is just a cover band now? G Sent from my phone... On 22 Nov 2012, at 14:26, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk wrote: http://www.kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7720 (20121122) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
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Redial for 2 hours and then gave up, hope the same people aren't organise the sound :) m snip I can't go so didn't even bother but it seems like chaos, I hope this is not a sign of things to come and that the shows go off ok.
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You not going Ken? Id have been up for going if I was able to go...its a great room for exhibitions, but it could have sound problems if not handled correctly and the Tate have failed at the first hurdle so I hope its not a sign of things to come. Nicholas Serota (Director of Tate) says it's not the first time the website has crashed from over demand, so he must have known there would be the same problem. So this leads me to think he doesn't care enough to sort out the problems and in turn couldn't care about the shows them self's and the sound bouncing around in that concrete room. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:ken.odel...@dowjones.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:43 To: Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Some Bleep43 folk got tickets I think, Paul. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:42 To: Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Hey, Did any of the UK peeps get tickets for the London Tate shows? From looking at forums it seems the Tate didn't handle the demand very well and their system crashed immediately. The web site said no in person sales and they were selling tickets over the counter too I can't go so didn't even bother but it seems like chaos, I hope this is not a sign of things to come and that the shows go off ok. -Original Message- From: Williams Graham G [mailto:graham.willi...@hpcds.com] Sent: 26 November 2012 22:24 To: 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Are there any original members still playing live or is just a cover band now? G Sent from my phone... On 22 Nov 2012, at 14:26, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk wrote: http://www.kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7720 (20121122) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
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Tried and failed. I'm afraid. On 13 December 2012 11:55, Paul Kendrick p...@dagmar-tara.com wrote: You not going Ken? Id have been up for going if I was able to go...its a great room for exhibitions, but it could have sound problems if not handled correctly and the Tate have failed at the first hurdle so I hope its not a sign of things to come. Nicholas Serota (Director of Tate) says it's not the first time the website has crashed from over demand, so he must have known there would be the same problem. So this leads me to think he doesn't care enough to sort out the problems and in turn couldn't care about the shows them self's and the sound bouncing around in that concrete room. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:ken.odel...@dowjones.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:43 To: Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Some Bleep43 folk got tickets I think, Paul. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:42 To: Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Hey, Did any of the UK peeps get tickets for the London Tate shows? From looking at forums it seems the Tate didn't handle the demand very well and their system crashed immediately. The web site said no in person sales and they were selling tickets over the counter too I can't go so didn't even bother but it seems like chaos, I hope this is not a sign of things to come and that the shows go off ok. -Original Message- From: Williams Graham G [mailto:graham.willi...@hpcds.com] Sent: 26 November 2012 22:24 To: 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Are there any original members still playing live or is just a cover band now? G Sent from my phone... On 22 Nov 2012, at 14:26, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk wrote: http://www.kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7720 (20121122) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- *Benn Glazier* b...@glzr.info b...@glzr.info www.BennGlazier.com www.twitter.com/BennGlazier www.facebook.com/BennGlazierPhotography http://www.twitter.com/bennglazier +44 (0) 7714 3000 18
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I'm more philosophical about it Paul ;-). Got more important things I want to worry about. I would have *liked* to go, but on a cost-benefit basis, I decided on balance to sack off efforts to spend that 60 quid. I'm sure the 'gigs' will be enjoyable for those who decided to persist, though. Ken -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:56 To: Odeluga, Ken; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year You not going Ken? Id have been up for going if I was able to go...its a great room for exhibitions, but it could have sound problems if not handled correctly and the Tate have failed at the first hurdle so I hope its not a sign of things to come. Nicholas Serota (Director of Tate) says it's not the first time the website has crashed from over demand, so he must have known there would be the same problem. So this leads me to think he doesn't care enough to sort out the problems and in turn couldn't care about the shows them self's and the sound bouncing around in that concrete room. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:ken.odel...@dowjones.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:43 To: Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Some Bleep43 folk got tickets I think, Paul. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:42 To: Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Hey, Did any of the UK peeps get tickets for the London Tate shows? From looking at forums it seems the Tate didn't handle the demand very well and their system crashed immediately. The web site said no in person sales and they were selling tickets over the counter too I can't go so didn't even bother but it seems like chaos, I hope this is not a sign of things to come and that the shows go off ok. -Original Message- From: Williams Graham G [mailto:graham.willi...@hpcds.com] Sent: 26 November 2012 22:24 To: 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Are there any original members still playing live or is just a cover band now? G Sent from my phone... On 22 Nov 2012, at 14:26, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk wrote: http://www.kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7720 (20121122) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
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Any of you up for Depeche Mode instead? It's cheaper and the website works fine ;) On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Odeluga, Ken ken.odel...@dowjones.comwrote: I'm more philosophical about it Paul ;-). Got more important things I want to worry about. I would have *liked* to go, but on a cost-benefit basis, I decided on balance to sack off efforts to spend that 60 quid. I'm sure the 'gigs' will be enjoyable for those who decided to persist, though. Ken -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:56 To: Odeluga, Ken; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year You not going Ken? Id have been up for going if I was able to go...its a great room for exhibitions, but it could have sound problems if not handled correctly and the Tate have failed at the first hurdle so I hope its not a sign of things to come. Nicholas Serota (Director of Tate) says it's not the first time the website has crashed from over demand, so he must have known there would be the same problem. So this leads me to think he doesn't care enough to sort out the problems and in turn couldn't care about the shows them self's and the sound bouncing around in that concrete room. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:ken.odel...@dowjones.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:43 To: Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Some Bleep43 folk got tickets I think, Paul. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:42 To: Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Hey, Did any of the UK peeps get tickets for the London Tate shows? From looking at forums it seems the Tate didn't handle the demand very well and their system crashed immediately. The web site said no in person sales and they were selling tickets over the counter too I can't go so didn't even bother but it seems like chaos, I hope this is not a sign of things to come and that the shows go off ok. -Original Message- From: Williams Graham G [mailto:graham.willi...@hpcds.com] Sent: 26 November 2012 22:24 To: 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Are there any original members still playing live or is just a cover band now? G Sent from my phone... On 22 Nov 2012, at 14:26, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk wrote: http://www.kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7720 (20121122) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- matt chester 11th hour recordings twitter - @hour_11th facebook - facebook.com/mattchester11 soundcloud - soundcloud.com/11thhour
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i am probably gonna be shot down for this, but, havin' seen kraftwerk 'live' twice, i wouldn't lose any sleep about missin' them in concert. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Matt Chester chesterm...@gmail.com wrote: Any of you up for Depeche Mode instead? It's cheaper and the website works fine ;) On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Odeluga, Ken ken.odel...@dowjones.com wrote: I'm more philosophical about it Paul ;-). Got more important things I want to worry about. I would have *liked* to go, but on a cost-benefit basis, I decided on balance to sack off efforts to spend that 60 quid. I'm sure the 'gigs' will be enjoyable for those who decided to persist, though. Ken -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:56 To: Odeluga, Ken; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year You not going Ken? Id have been up for going if I was able to go...its a great room for exhibitions, but it could have sound problems if not handled correctly and the Tate have failed at the first hurdle so I hope its not a sign of things to come. Nicholas Serota (Director of Tate) says it's not the first time the website has crashed from over demand, so he must have known there would be the same problem. So this leads me to think he doesn't care enough to sort out the problems and in turn couldn't care about the shows them self's and the sound bouncing around in that concrete room. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:ken.odel...@dowjones.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:43 To: Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Some Bleep43 folk got tickets I think, Paul. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:42 To: Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Hey, Did any of the UK peeps get tickets for the London Tate shows? From looking at forums it seems the Tate didn't handle the demand very well and their system crashed immediately. The web site said no in person sales and they were selling tickets over the counter too I can't go so didn't even bother but it seems like chaos, I hope this is not a sign of things to come and that the shows go off ok. -Original Message- From: Williams Graham G [mailto:graham.willi...@hpcds.com] Sent: 26 November 2012 22:24 To: 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Are there any original members still playing live or is just a cover band now? G Sent from my phone... On 22 Nov 2012, at 14:26, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk wrote: http://www.kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7720 (20121122) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- matt chester 11th hour recordings twitter - @hour_11th facebook - facebook.com/mattchester11 soundcloud - soundcloud.com/11thhour
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I saw them in Brixton in 2003 and they were great Is it just one original member now Sent from my iPhone On 13 Dec 2012, at 12:21, Aidan O'Doherty aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com wrote: i am probably gonna be shot down for this, but, havin' seen kraftwerk 'live' twice, i wouldn't lose any sleep about missin' them in concert. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Matt Chester chesterm...@gmail.com wrote: Any of you up for Depeche Mode instead? It's cheaper and the website works fine ;) On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Odeluga, Ken ken.odel...@dowjones.com wrote: I'm more philosophical about it Paul ;-). Got more important things I want to worry about. I would have *liked* to go, but on a cost-benefit basis, I decided on balance to sack off efforts to spend that 60 quid. I'm sure the 'gigs' will be enjoyable for those who decided to persist, though. Ken -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:56 To: Odeluga, Ken; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year You not going Ken? Id have been up for going if I was able to go...its a great room for exhibitions, but it could have sound problems if not handled correctly and the Tate have failed at the first hurdle so I hope its not a sign of things to come. Nicholas Serota (Director of Tate) says it's not the first time the website has crashed from over demand, so he must have known there would be the same problem. So this leads me to think he doesn't care enough to sort out the problems and in turn couldn't care about the shows them self's and the sound bouncing around in that concrete room. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:ken.odel...@dowjones.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:43 To: Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Some Bleep43 folk got tickets I think, Paul. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:42 To: Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Hey, Did any of the UK peeps get tickets for the London Tate shows? From looking at forums it seems the Tate didn't handle the demand very well and their system crashed immediately. The web site said no in person sales and they were selling tickets over the counter too I can't go so didn't even bother but it seems like chaos, I hope this is not a sign of things to come and that the shows go off ok. -Original Message- From: Williams Graham G [mailto:graham.willi...@hpcds.com] Sent: 26 November 2012 22:24 To: 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Are there any original members still playing live or is just a cover band now? G Sent from my phone... On 22 Nov 2012, at 14:26, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk wrote: http://www.kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7720 (20121122) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- matt chester 11th hour recordings twitter - @hour_11th facebook - facebook.com/mattchester11 soundcloud - soundcloud.com/11thhour
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More original members in Depeche Mode, too. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Matt Chester chesterm...@gmail.com wrote: Any of you up for Depeche Mode instead? It's cheaper and the website works fine ;) -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com
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Isn’t the point of Kraftwerk that it’s an art project that’s executed according to particular instructions? The identity of the artisans carrying out the project isn’t actually important. From: mkb.dirty...@gmail.com [mailto:mkb.dirty...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Matt Kane's Brain Sent: 13 December 2012 12:26 To: Matt Chester Cc: Odeluga, Ken; Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year More original members in Depeche Mode, too. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Matt Chester chesterm...@gmail.commailto:chesterm...@gmail.com wrote: Any of you up for Depeche Mode instead? It's cheaper and the website works fine ;) -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -
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On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Daniel Bean daniel.b...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Isn’t the point of Kraftwerk that it’s an art project that’s executed according to particular instructions? The identity of the artisans carrying out the project isn’t actually important. Then why see Kraftwerk in concert? (or why THIS Kraftwerk, and not another Kraftwerk composed of different people in similar costumes) -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com
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Agreed. I saw them at the same time and possibly at the same venue [I think you mean The Fridge Paul.] Although the 'liveness' of their shows is becoming more and more questionanble, it seems most fans will still enjoy them, no matter how pre-programmed they become. Ken -Original Message- From: Placid [mailto:pla...@acid-house.net] Sent: 13 December 2012 12:25 To: Aidan O'Doherty Cc: Matt Chester; Odeluga, Ken; Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year I saw them in Brixton in 2003 and they were great Is it just one original member now Sent from my iPhone On 13 Dec 2012, at 12:21, Aidan O'Doherty aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com wrote: i am probably gonna be shot down for this, but, havin' seen kraftwerk 'live' twice, i wouldn't lose any sleep about missin' them in concert. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Matt Chester chesterm...@gmail.com wrote: Any of you up for Depeche Mode instead? It's cheaper and the website works fine ;) On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Odeluga, Ken ken.odel...@dowjones.com wrote: I'm more philosophical about it Paul ;-). Got more important things I want to worry about. I would have *liked* to go, but on a cost-benefit basis, I decided on balance to sack off efforts to spend that 60 quid. I'm sure the 'gigs' will be enjoyable for those who decided to persist, though. Ken -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:56 To: Odeluga, Ken; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year You not going Ken? Id have been up for going if I was able to go...its a great room for exhibitions, but it could have sound problems if not handled correctly and the Tate have failed at the first hurdle so I hope its not a sign of things to come. Nicholas Serota (Director of Tate) says it's not the first time the website has crashed from over demand, so he must have known there would be the same problem. So this leads me to think he doesn't care enough to sort out the problems and in turn couldn't care about the shows them self's and the sound bouncing around in that concrete room. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:ken.odel...@dowjones.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:43 To: Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Some Bleep43 folk got tickets I think, Paul. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:42 To: Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Hey, Did any of the UK peeps get tickets for the London Tate shows? From looking at forums it seems the Tate didn't handle the demand very well and their system crashed immediately. The web site said no in person sales and they were selling tickets over the counter too I can't go so didn't even bother but it seems like chaos, I hope this is not a sign of things to come and that the shows go off ok. -Original Message- From: Williams Graham G [mailto:graham.willi...@hpcds.com] Sent: 26 November 2012 22:24 To: 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Are there any original members still playing live or is just a cover band now? G Sent from my phone... On 22 Nov 2012, at 14:26, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk wrote: http://www.kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7720 (20121122) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- matt chester 11th hour recordings twitter - @hour_11th facebook - facebook.com/mattchester11 soundcloud - soundcloud.com/11thhour
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I don’t really care which people are performing it, as long as they’re performing it correctly, but I would like to see the performance. In a way I think that’s quite appealing, One of the things I like about dance music is that it doesn’t focus relentlessly on ‘front men’. From: mkb.dirty...@gmail.com [mailto:mkb.dirty...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Matt Kane's Brain Sent: 13 December 2012 12:29 To: Daniel Bean Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Daniel Bean daniel.b...@bbc.co.ukmailto:daniel.b...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Isn’t the point of Kraftwerk that it’s an art project that’s executed according to particular instructions? The identity of the artisans carrying out the project isn’t actually important. Then why see Kraftwerk in concert? (or why THIS Kraftwerk, and not another Kraftwerk composed of different people in similar costumes) -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -
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Then why see Kraftwerk in concert? To witness/enjoy the execution of said instructions!
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£60 is a greedy rip off. Wouldn't pay that even if I was loaded. And you'd just hear one album. I'd want to hear the whole oeuvre for £60. I have seen them once and that's enough for me. On 13 Dec 2012, at 12:01, Odeluga, Ken ken.odel...@dowjones.com wrote: I'm more philosophical about it Paul ;-). Got more important things I want to worry about. I would have *liked* to go, but on a cost-benefit basis, I decided on balance to sack off efforts to spend that 60 quid. I'm sure the 'gigs' will be enjoyable for those who decided to persist, though. Ken -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:56 To: Odeluga, Ken; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year You not going Ken? Id have been up for going if I was able to go...its a great room for exhibitions, but it could have sound problems if not handled correctly and the Tate have failed at the first hurdle so I hope its not a sign of things to come. Nicholas Serota (Director of Tate) says it's not the first time the website has crashed from over demand, so he must have known there would be the same problem. So this leads me to think he doesn't care enough to sort out the problems and in turn couldn't care about the shows them self's and the sound bouncing around in that concrete room. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:ken.odel...@dowjones.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:43 To: Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Some Bleep43 folk got tickets I think, Paul. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:42 To: Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Hey, Did any of the UK peeps get tickets for the London Tate shows? From looking at forums it seems the Tate didn't handle the demand very well and their system crashed immediately. The web site said no in person sales and they were selling tickets over the counter too I can't go so didn't even bother but it seems like chaos, I hope this is not a sign of things to come and that the shows go off ok. -Original Message- From: Williams Graham G [mailto:graham.willi...@hpcds.com] Sent: 26 November 2012 22:24 To: 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Are there any original members still playing live or is just a cover band now? G Sent from my phone... On 22 Nov 2012, at 14:26, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk wrote: http://www.kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7720 (20121122) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year
Not that it makes a huge difference but at MOMA they were playing one album followed by a greatest hits selection. It's just shocking how piss poorly Tate seem to have handled ticketing especially in light of the total clustermess that was the MOMA on-sale. Don't those artsy farts share learning with each other? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2012, at 7:44 AM, Rob Taylor barringtonphelo...@gmail.com wrote: £60 is a greedy rip off. Wouldn't pay that even if I was loaded. And you'd just hear one album. I'd want to hear the whole oeuvre for £60. I have seen them once and that's enough for me. On 13 Dec 2012, at 12:01, Odeluga, Ken ken.odel...@dowjones.com wrote: I'm more philosophical about it Paul ;-). Got more important things I want to worry about. I would have *liked* to go, but on a cost-benefit basis, I decided on balance to sack off efforts to spend that 60 quid. I'm sure the 'gigs' will be enjoyable for those who decided to persist, though. Ken -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:56 To: Odeluga, Ken; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year You not going Ken? Id have been up for going if I was able to go...its a great room for exhibitions, but it could have sound problems if not handled correctly and the Tate have failed at the first hurdle so I hope its not a sign of things to come. Nicholas Serota (Director of Tate) says it's not the first time the website has crashed from over demand, so he must have known there would be the same problem. So this leads me to think he doesn't care enough to sort out the problems and in turn couldn't care about the shows them self's and the sound bouncing around in that concrete room. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:ken.odel...@dowjones.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:43 To: Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Some Bleep43 folk got tickets I think, Paul. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:42 To: Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Hey, Did any of the UK peeps get tickets for the London Tate shows? From looking at forums it seems the Tate didn't handle the demand very well and their system crashed immediately. The web site said no in person sales and they were selling tickets over the counter too I can't go so didn't even bother but it seems like chaos, I hope this is not a sign of things to come and that the shows go off ok. -Original Message- From: Williams Graham G [mailto:graham.willi...@hpcds.com] Sent: 26 November 2012 22:24 To: 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Are there any original members still playing live or is just a cover band now? G Sent from my phone... On 22 Nov 2012, at 14:26, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk wrote: http://www.kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7720 (20121122) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year
Pretty sure it was the academy Sent from my iPhone On 13 Dec 2012, at 12:30, Odeluga, Ken ken.odel...@dowjones.com wrote: Agreed. I saw them at the same time and possibly at the same venue [I think you mean The Fridge Paul.] Although the 'liveness' of their shows is becoming more and more questionanble, it seems most fans will still enjoy them, no matter how pre-programmed they become. Ken -Original Message- From: Placid [mailto:pla...@acid-house.net] Sent: 13 December 2012 12:25 To: Aidan O'Doherty Cc: Matt Chester; Odeluga, Ken; Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year I saw them in Brixton in 2003 and they were great Is it just one original member now Sent from my iPhone On 13 Dec 2012, at 12:21, Aidan O'Doherty aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com wrote: i am probably gonna be shot down for this, but, havin' seen kraftwerk 'live' twice, i wouldn't lose any sleep about missin' them in concert. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Matt Chester chesterm...@gmail.com wrote: Any of you up for Depeche Mode instead? It's cheaper and the website works fine ;) On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Odeluga, Ken ken.odel...@dowjones.com wrote: I'm more philosophical about it Paul ;-). Got more important things I want to worry about. I would have *liked* to go, but on a cost-benefit basis, I decided on balance to sack off efforts to spend that 60 quid. I'm sure the 'gigs' will be enjoyable for those who decided to persist, though. Ken -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:56 To: Odeluga, Ken; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year You not going Ken? Id have been up for going if I was able to go...its a great room for exhibitions, but it could have sound problems if not handled correctly and the Tate have failed at the first hurdle so I hope its not a sign of things to come. Nicholas Serota (Director of Tate) says it's not the first time the website has crashed from over demand, so he must have known there would be the same problem. So this leads me to think he doesn't care enough to sort out the problems and in turn couldn't care about the shows them self's and the sound bouncing around in that concrete room. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:ken.odel...@dowjones.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:43 To: Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Some Bleep43 folk got tickets I think, Paul. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:42 To: Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Hey, Did any of the UK peeps get tickets for the London Tate shows? From looking at forums it seems the Tate didn't handle the demand very well and their system crashed immediately. The web site said no in person sales and they were selling tickets over the counter too I can't go so didn't even bother but it seems like chaos, I hope this is not a sign of things to come and that the shows go off ok. -Original Message- From: Williams Graham G [mailto:graham.willi...@hpcds.com] Sent: 26 November 2012 22:24 To: 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Are there any original members still playing live or is just a cover band now? G Sent from my phone... On 22 Nov 2012, at 14:26, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk wrote: http://www.kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7720 (20121122) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- matt chester 11th hour recordings twitter - @hour_11th facebook - facebook.com/mattchester11 soundcloud - soundcloud.com/11thhour
RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year
Of course it was, sorry. Brain/typing mismatch. -Original Message- From: Placid [mailto:pla...@acid-house.net] Sent: 13 December 2012 12:52 To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: Aidan O'Doherty; Matt Chester; Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Pretty sure it was the academy Sent from my iPhone On 13 Dec 2012, at 12:30, Odeluga, Ken ken.odel...@dowjones.com wrote: Agreed. I saw them at the same time and possibly at the same venue [I think you mean The Fridge Paul.] Although the 'liveness' of their shows is becoming more and more questionanble, it seems most fans will still enjoy them, no matter how pre-programmed they become. Ken -Original Message- From: Placid [mailto:pla...@acid-house.net] Sent: 13 December 2012 12:25 To: Aidan O'Doherty Cc: Matt Chester; Odeluga, Ken; Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year I saw them in Brixton in 2003 and they were great Is it just one original member now Sent from my iPhone On 13 Dec 2012, at 12:21, Aidan O'Doherty aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com wrote: i am probably gonna be shot down for this, but, havin' seen kraftwerk 'live' twice, i wouldn't lose any sleep about missin' them in concert. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Matt Chester chesterm...@gmail.com wrote: Any of you up for Depeche Mode instead? It's cheaper and the website works fine ;) On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Odeluga, Ken ken.odel...@dowjones.com wrote: I'm more philosophical about it Paul ;-). Got more important things I want to worry about. I would have *liked* to go, but on a cost-benefit basis, I decided on balance to sack off efforts to spend that 60 quid. I'm sure the 'gigs' will be enjoyable for those who decided to persist, though. Ken -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:56 To: Odeluga, Ken; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year You not going Ken? Id have been up for going if I was able to go...its a great room for exhibitions, but it could have sound problems if not handled correctly and the Tate have failed at the first hurdle so I hope its not a sign of things to come. Nicholas Serota (Director of Tate) says it's not the first time the website has crashed from over demand, so he must have known there would be the same problem. So this leads me to think he doesn't care enough to sort out the problems and in turn couldn't care about the shows them self's and the sound bouncing around in that concrete room. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:ken.odel...@dowjones.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:43 To: Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Some Bleep43 folk got tickets I think, Paul. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:42 To: Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Hey, Did any of the UK peeps get tickets for the London Tate shows? From looking at forums it seems the Tate didn't handle the demand very well and their system crashed immediately. The web site said no in person sales and they were selling tickets over the counter too I can't go so didn't even bother but it seems like chaos, I hope this is not a sign of things to come and that the shows go off ok. -Original Message- From: Williams Graham G [mailto:graham.willi...@hpcds.com] Sent: 26 November 2012 22:24 To: 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Are there any original members still playing live or is just a cover band now? G Sent from my phone... On 22 Nov 2012, at 14:26, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk wrote: http://www.kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7720 (20121122) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- matt chester 11th hour recordings twitter - @hour_11th facebook - facebook.com/mattchester11 soundcloud - soundcloud.com/11thhour
RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year
£60 does seem like too much, but I would have paid it, if I could have bought a ticket quickly and efficiently. Tate clearly doesn't have state-of-the-art admin which can match the technocratic 'Gestalt' [pardon me for being poncy] of Kraftwerk. Even so, there's little doubt that Kraftwerk would only appear at a venue [nowadays] if the sound facilities were top notch. And that's what really matters, I think; so wishing all who will be attending an enjoyable time. Ken -Original Message- From: Rob Taylor [mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 12:44 To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year £60 is a greedy rip off. Wouldn't pay that even if I was loaded. And you'd just hear one album. I'd want to hear the whole oeuvre for £60. I have seen them once and that's enough for me. On 13 Dec 2012, at 12:01, Odeluga, Ken ken.odel...@dowjones.com wrote: I'm more philosophical about it Paul ;-). Got more important things I want to worry about. I would have *liked* to go, but on a cost-benefit basis, I decided on balance to sack off efforts to spend that 60 quid. I'm sure the 'gigs' will be enjoyable for those who decided to persist, though. Ken -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:56 To: Odeluga, Ken; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year You not going Ken? Id have been up for going if I was able to go...its a great room for exhibitions, but it could have sound problems if not handled correctly and the Tate have failed at the first hurdle so I hope its not a sign of things to come. Nicholas Serota (Director of Tate) says it's not the first time the website has crashed from over demand, so he must have known there would be the same problem. So this leads me to think he doesn't care enough to sort out the problems and in turn couldn't care about the shows them self's and the sound bouncing around in that concrete room. -Original Message- From: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:ken.odel...@dowjones.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:43 To: Paul Kendrick; Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Some Bleep43 folk got tickets I think, Paul. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:p...@dagmar-tara.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 11:42 To: Williams Graham G; 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Hey, Did any of the UK peeps get tickets for the London Tate shows? From looking at forums it seems the Tate didn't handle the demand very well and their system crashed immediately. The web site said no in person sales and they were selling tickets over the counter too I can't go so didn't even bother but it seems like chaos, I hope this is not a sign of things to come and that the shows go off ok. -Original Message- From: Williams Graham G [mailto:graham.willi...@hpcds.com] Sent: 26 November 2012 22:24 To: 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Are there any original members still playing live or is just a cover band now? G Sent from my phone... On 22 Nov 2012, at 14:26, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk wrote: http://www.kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7720 (20121122) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year
Tate clearly doesn't have state-of-the-art admin which can match the technocratic 'Gestalt' [pardon me for being poncy] of Kraftwerk. Even so, there's little doubt that Kraftwerk would only appear at a venue [nowadays] if the sound facilities were top notch. Not so sure about that Ken, the event at Manchester Velodrome was pretty poor.
RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year
Didn't know that. I'm surprised. I've heard quite a bit of music at the Tate over the years and the sound was very good; although those events were in the 'studio' thingies, not the Turbine Hall -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:mar...@dustscience.com] Sent: 13 December 2012 13:01 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Tate clearly doesn't have state-of-the-art admin which can match the technocratic 'Gestalt' [pardon me for being poncy] of Kraftwerk. Even so, there's little doubt that Kraftwerk would only appear at a venue [nowadays] if the sound facilities were top notch. Not so sure about that Ken, the event at Manchester Velodrome was pretty poor.
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Maybe they'd be open to someone opening a Kraftwerk touring franchise, like the Beach Boys. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Daniel Bean daniel.b...@bbc.co.uk wrote: I don’t really care which people are performing it, as long as they’re performing it correctly, but I would like to see the performance. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com
RE: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year
It would be in the spirit of the endeavour. I personally wouldn’t object but I’m not sure I’m suited to the work itself, in case you’re proposing the 313 list bids for the franchise. From: mkb.dirty...@gmail.com [mailto:mkb.dirty...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Matt Kane's Brain Sent: 13 December 2012 13:37 To: Daniel Bean Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Maybe they'd be open to someone opening a Kraftwerk touring franchise, like the Beach Boys. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:42 AM, Daniel Bean daniel.b...@bbc.co.ukmailto:daniel.b...@bbc.co.uk wrote: I don’t really care which people are performing it, as long as they’re performing it correctly, but I would like to see the performance. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system. Do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. -
Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year
Exact same kaos happened when they had their NYC dates this year. P. On Thursday, December 13, 2012, Paul Kendrick wrote: Hey, Did any of the UK peeps get tickets for the London Tate shows? From looking at forums it seems the Tate didn't handle the demand very well and their system crashed immediately. The web site said no in person sales and they were selling tickets over the counter too I can't go so didn't even bother but it seems like chaos, I hope this is not a sign of things to come and that the shows go off ok. -Original Message- From: Williams Graham G [mailto:graham.willi...@hpcds.com javascript:;] Sent: 26 November 2012 22:24 To: 1-11 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org javascript:; Subject: Re: (313) Kraftwerk: Concerts next year Are there any original members still playing live or is just a cover band now? G Sent from my phone... On 22 Nov 2012, at 14:26, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk javascript:; wrote: http://www.kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7720 (20121122) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
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Are there any original members still playing live or is just a cover band now? G Sent from my phone... On 22 Nov 2012, at 14:26, 1-11 1...@bethere.co.uk wrote: http://www.kraftwerk.com/concerts/index-concerts.html __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7720 (20121122) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
