RE: (313) twitter in the dj booth
Horsesh!t If you think someone's a w*nker, just say so It's a fun and natural and beautiful thing to bitch about people whose music/taste/face/haircut you don't like Player-hating - what a rubbish concept Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Kevin Kennedy [mailto:the...@gmail.com] Sent: 01 May 2009 18:25 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) twitter in the dj booth Okay, maybe you have missed my point. My point is that all of the player hating is press for this individual (whose name I refuse to type). Does he not generate enough of his own? My point is that even with all of the things that I find wrong with him (including his love for the drug-addled portion of the scene), I think that we should hate the game, not the player. In otherwords, if you don't like what he does, keep his name out of your mouth. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Garrett McGrath g...@7mzdt.com wrote: isn't it already crystal clear that he's not actually twittering anyone with this thing? traktor is. track names, only. big deal. On May 1, 2009, at 7:12 AM, Kevin Kennedy wrote: I have this belief that all of us are jealous a bit of what he has accomplished without support from the 313. I have to say that given that HE has accomplished being a pop icon without being a pop icon, and people follow (including those on this list) what he does with intensity. It is troubling that a post mentioning his name gets many many responses, yet 313 related music seems to go largely unnoticed. I currently don't care that he's twittering. He's not following me yet. Forget this person, by our press online we subliminally support HIM. He's not paid to play my records, he knows who I am (I own his old DAT machine). It really doesn't matter at all. This is all I have to say on the matter. fbk On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Cyclone Wehner cyclonelou...@optusnet.com.au wrote: On 01/05/2009, at 12:13 AM, kent williams wrote: And more than that, what DJ wants to play in front of a crowd glued to their cellies? I think it's too late, that's already the norm! I think Richie is an OK guy -- really, I'm not being sarcastic. But he needs to get out of the freaking echo chamber he's built up around himself. Can you imagine -- just as an example -- Omar-S twittering from the DJ Booth? DJ Bone? Buzz Goree? Theo Parrish? Ron Hardy? Those guys don't need technology to mediate between them and their audience -- they're ALREADY INTERACTING INTIMATELY WITH THEIR AUDIENCE. To be fair to Richie, he's never been an 'extrovert' DJ or performance based DJ. He's probably the one DJ who could get away with tweeting and make an 'art' of it. -- fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US -- fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) twitter in the dj booth
I have this belief that all of us are jealous a bit of what he has accomplished without support from the 313. I have to say that given that HE has accomplished being a pop icon without being a pop icon, and people follow (including those on this list) what he does with intensity. It is troubling that a post mentioning his name gets many many responses, yet 313 related music seems to go largely unnoticed. I currently don't care that he's twittering. He's not following me yet. Forget this person, by our press online we subliminally support HIM. He's not paid to play my records, he knows who I am (I own his old DAT machine). It really doesn't matter at all. This is all I have to say on the matter. fbk On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Cyclone Wehner cyclonelou...@optusnet.com.au wrote: On 01/05/2009, at 12:13 AM, kent williams wrote: And more than that, what DJ wants to play in front of a crowd glued to their cellies? I think it's too late, that's already the norm! I think Richie is an OK guy -- really, I'm not being sarcastic. But he needs to get out of the freaking echo chamber he's built up around himself. Can you imagine -- just as an example -- Omar-S twittering from the DJ Booth? DJ Bone? Buzz Goree? Theo Parrish? Ron Hardy? Those guys don't need technology to mediate between them and their audience -- they're ALREADY INTERACTING INTIMATELY WITH THEIR AUDIENCE. To be fair to Richie, he's never been an 'extrovert' DJ or performance based DJ. He's probably the one DJ who could get away with tweeting and make an 'art' of it. -- fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US
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On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Kevin Kennedy the...@gmail.com wrote: I have this belief that all of us are jealous a bit of what he has accomplished without support from the 313. I don't want this to turn into yet another let's bash Richie thread, because it really doesn't serve any purpose. But I don't think this is an accurate analysis of why some/many people on this mailing list have a problem with Richie Hawtin. I think that, as a person, Richie is a good guy. I have never heard otherwise, and that's what my limited contact with him has led me to believe. I believe he cares sincerely and deeply about music, his own and others. He's made some records that are seminal, and put on some great events. What I think people object to at this point is twofold -- his embrace of what seems to a lot of us a pretty decadent, drug-addled European dance music scene, and the way in which he's led, with his fame, the taste of the dance music audience worldwide, into music we regard as boring and soulless. If you asked him I'm sure he'd agree he's fair game for serious critique of what he does. I don't know how much of it reaches him at this point but he is not stupid or deluded. What I know he has no trouble ignoring is garden variety player-hating and internet flaming.
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isn't it already crystal clear that he's not actually twittering anyone with this thing? traktor is. track names, only. big deal. On May 1, 2009, at 7:12 AM, Kevin Kennedy wrote: I have this belief that all of us are jealous a bit of what he has accomplished without support from the 313. I have to say that given that HE has accomplished being a pop icon without being a pop icon, and people follow (including those on this list) what he does with intensity. It is troubling that a post mentioning his name gets many many responses, yet 313 related music seems to go largely unnoticed. I currently don't care that he's twittering. He's not following me yet. Forget this person, by our press online we subliminally support HIM. He's not paid to play my records, he knows who I am (I own his old DAT machine). It really doesn't matter at all. This is all I have to say on the matter. fbk On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Cyclone Wehner cyclonelou...@optusnet.com.au wrote: On 01/05/2009, at 12:13 AM, kent williams wrote: And more than that, what DJ wants to play in front of a crowd glued to their cellies? I think it's too late, that's already the norm! I think Richie is an OK guy -- really, I'm not being sarcastic. But he needs to get out of the freaking echo chamber he's built up around himself. Can you imagine -- just as an example -- Omar-S twittering from the DJ Booth? DJ Bone? Buzz Goree? Theo Parrish? Ron Hardy? Those guys don't need technology to mediate between them and their audience -- they're ALREADY INTERACTING INTIMATELY WITH THEIR AUDIENCE. To be fair to Richie, he's never been an 'extrovert' DJ or performance based DJ. He's probably the one DJ who could get away with tweeting and make an 'art' of it. -- fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US
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Okay, maybe you have missed my point. My point is that all of the player hating is press for this individual (whose name I refuse to type). Does he not generate enough of his own? My point is that even with all of the things that I find wrong with him (including his love for the drug-addled portion of the scene), I think that we should hate the game, not the player. In otherwords, if you don't like what he does, keep his name out of your mouth. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Garrett McGrath g...@7mzdt.com wrote: isn't it already crystal clear that he's not actually twittering anyone with this thing? traktor is. track names, only. big deal. On May 1, 2009, at 7:12 AM, Kevin Kennedy wrote: I have this belief that all of us are jealous a bit of what he has accomplished without support from the 313. I have to say that given that HE has accomplished being a pop icon without being a pop icon, and people follow (including those on this list) what he does with intensity. It is troubling that a post mentioning his name gets many many responses, yet 313 related music seems to go largely unnoticed. I currently don't care that he's twittering. He's not following me yet. Forget this person, by our press online we subliminally support HIM. He's not paid to play my records, he knows who I am (I own his old DAT machine). It really doesn't matter at all. This is all I have to say on the matter. fbk On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Cyclone Wehner cyclonelou...@optusnet.com.au wrote: On 01/05/2009, at 12:13 AM, kent williams wrote: And more than that, what DJ wants to play in front of a crowd glued to their cellies? I think it's too late, that's already the norm! I think Richie is an OK guy -- really, I'm not being sarcastic. But he needs to get out of the freaking echo chamber he's built up around himself. Can you imagine -- just as an example -- Omar-S twittering from the DJ Booth? DJ Bone? Buzz Goree? Theo Parrish? Ron Hardy? Those guys don't need technology to mediate between them and their audience -- they're ALREADY INTERACTING INTIMATELY WITH THEIR AUDIENCE. To be fair to Richie, he's never been an 'extrovert' DJ or performance based DJ. He's probably the one DJ who could get away with tweeting and make an 'art' of it. -- fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US -- fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US
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At 2009.05.01 09:41, kent williams wrote: On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Kevin Kennedy the...@gmail.com wrote: I have this belief that all of us are jealous a bit of what he has accomplished without support from the 313. I don't want this to turn into yet another let's bash Richie thread, because it really doesn't serve any purpose. But I don't think this is an accurate analysis of why some/many people on this mailing list have a problem with Richie Hawtin. Let's go back to talking about Omar S. Or Patrice Scott. There's a great new record on Sistrum... m50
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i was making that comment more regarding the total issue, not so much your comments -- that didn't make a lot of sense to me. why in the world would i want to forget rich? ..or subliminally banish him? because he doesn't get paid to play my records, even though i know him too? (what?) sure, he's a lightning rod for chatter. but this is the internet, that's what it's for. rich is a great businessman, a phenomenal dj (despite himself, lately), and a good guy. and him finding ways to use new/hip technology to either advance what he's doing, advance himself, or both, is not exactly news. On May 1, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Kevin Kennedy wrote: Okay, maybe you have missed my point. My point is that all of the player hating is press for this individual (whose name I refuse to type). Does he not generate enough of his own? My point is that even with all of the things that I find wrong with him (including his love for the drug-addled portion of the scene), I think that we should hate the game, not the player. In otherwords, if you don't like what he does, keep his name out of your mouth. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Garrett McGrath g...@7mzdt.com wrote: isn't it already crystal clear that he's not actually twittering anyone with this thing? traktor is. track names, only. big deal. On May 1, 2009, at 7:12 AM, Kevin Kennedy wrote: I have this belief that all of us are jealous a bit of what he has accomplished without support from the 313. I have to say that given that HE has accomplished being a pop icon without being a pop icon, and people follow (including those on this list) what he does with intensity. It is troubling that a post mentioning his name gets many many responses, yet 313 related music seems to go largely unnoticed. I currently don't care that he's twittering. He's not following me yet. Forget this person, by our press online we subliminally support HIM. He's not paid to play my records, he knows who I am (I own his old DAT machine). It really doesn't matter at all. This is all I have to say on the matter. fbk On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:56 PM, Cyclone Wehner cyclonelou...@optusnet.com.au wrote: On 01/05/2009, at 12:13 AM, kent williams wrote: And more than that, what DJ wants to play in front of a crowd glued to their cellies? I think it's too late, that's already the norm! I think Richie is an OK guy -- really, I'm not being sarcastic. But he needs to get out of the freaking echo chamber he's built up around himself. Can you imagine -- just as an example -- Omar-S twittering from the DJ Booth? DJ Bone? Buzz Goree? Theo Parrish? Ron Hardy? Those guys don't need technology to mediate between them and their audience -- they're ALREADY INTERACTING INTIMATELY WITH THEIR AUDIENCE. To be fair to Richie, he's never been an 'extrovert' DJ or performance based DJ. He's probably the one DJ who could get away with tweeting and make an 'art' of it. -- fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US -- fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US
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And bless his uberkuhlische herzlein, he didn't just start twittering from the DJ booth, he had to put out a press release announcing it. The whole idea of DJing is that it should be an absorbing enough task that you don't have time to screw around with your iPhone every few minutes. And more than that, what DJ wants to play in front of a crowd glued to their cellies? I think Richie is an OK guy -- really, I'm not being sarcastic. But he needs to get out of the freaking echo chamber he's built up around himself. Can you imagine -- just as an example -- Omar-S twittering from the DJ Booth? DJ Bone? Buzz Goree? Theo Parrish? Ron Hardy? Those guys don't need technology to mediate between them and their audience -- they're ALREADY INTERACTING INTIMATELY WITH THEIR AUDIENCE. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Matt Kane's Brain mkb-pr...@hydrogenproject.com wrote: Of COURSE it had to be Hawtin who does it: http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:13, kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: And bless his uberkuhlische herzlein, he didn't just start twittering from the DJ booth, he had to put out a press release announcing it. The whole idea of DJing is that it should be an absorbing enough task that you don't have time to screw around with your iPhone every few minutes. Well in this case, it's automatically exported from Traktor. The end of the press release mentions that the real reason for this is to have a log that you can shove at ASCAP and BMI and whoever so the royalties go to the right people, but I don't see how posting that online is any more effective. -- matt kane's brain techno radio at: http://hydrogenproject.com capoeira in boston http://capoeirageraisboston.com aim - mkbatwerk ; y! - mkb218 ; gtalk - mkb.dirtyorg
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Well you should probably consider that as an add-on. To me, CD and even more Traktor DJ set have a lack of visual. But it's not always a lack of interaction.This iPhone thing adds a little bit of visual to something that can be boring to look at (which does not mean boring to hear or dance to). Remember the good old traninspotter stuck in front of the DJs and trying to read on the vinyls the title of the tracks. With that new technology trainsptting will come back lol. And dont be affraid of iPhone looking crowds, trainspotters have always been a minority. Something interesting to add would be an iPhone app to actually download the played track (once they stream the artist/title that should be easy). I know Traktor/Beatport are closely linked so that can be easily implemented (except if iPhone does not allow paying downloads from other sources than iTunes). You might find that stupid or businessey, but like the ASCAP rights, that would allow the played artist to get higher revenue and basicaly to sell more tracks (= more exposition). In these days of crisis that doesnt sound to be a bad thing. Benoît. 2009/4/30, kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com: And bless his uberkuhlische herzlein, he didn't just start twittering from the DJ booth, he had to put out a press release announcing it. The whole idea of DJing is that it should be an absorbing enough task that you don't have time to screw around with your iPhone every few minutes. And more than that, what DJ wants to play in front of a crowd glued to their cellies? I think Richie is an OK guy -- really, I'm not being sarcastic. But he needs to get out of the freaking echo chamber he's built up around himself. Can you imagine -- just as an example -- Omar-S twittering from the DJ Booth? DJ Bone? Buzz Goree? Theo Parrish? Ron Hardy? Those guys don't need technology to mediate between them and their audience -- they're ALREADY INTERACTING INTIMATELY WITH THEIR AUDIENCE. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Matt Kane's Brain mkb-pr...@hydrogenproject.com wrote: Of COURSE it had to be Hawtin who does it: http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf
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Or in the case of Richie Hawtin, you'll know which boring mnml track is currently making you want to murder ravers. 2009/4/30 Benoît Pueyo benoit.pu...@gmail.com: You might find that stupid or businessey, but like the ASCAP rights, that would allow the played artist to get higher revenue and basicaly to sell more tracks (= more exposition). In these days of crisis that doesnt sound to be a bad thing.
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F*%k saying names making them famous. How much press will you give to him for free? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Matt Kane's Brain mkb-pr...@hydrogenproject.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:13, kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: And bless his uberkuhlische herzlein, he didn't just start twittering from the DJ booth, he had to put out a press release announcing it. The whole idea of DJing is that it should be an absorbing enough task that you don't have time to screw around with your iPhone every few minutes. Well in this case, it's automatically exported from Traktor. The end of the press release mentions that the real reason for this is to have a log that you can shove at ASCAP and BMI and whoever so the royalties go to the right people, but I don't see how posting that online is any more effective. -- matt kane's brain techno radio at: http://hydrogenproject.com capoeira in boston http://capoeirageraisboston.com aim - mkbatwerk ; y! - mkb218 ; gtalk - mkb.dirtyorg -- fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US
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This newsbite spewed all over my entire circle of friends without my help. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 18:44, Kevin Kennedy the...@gmail.com wrote: F*%k saying names making them famous. How much press will you give to him for free? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Matt Kane's Brain mkb-pr...@hydrogenproject.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 10:13, kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: And bless his uberkuhlische herzlein, he didn't just start twittering from the DJ booth, he had to put out a press release announcing it. The whole idea of DJing is that it should be an absorbing enough task that you don't have time to screw around with your iPhone every few minutes. Well in this case, it's automatically exported from Traktor. The end of the press release mentions that the real reason for this is to have a log that you can shove at ASCAP and BMI and whoever so the royalties go to the right people, but I don't see how posting that online is any more effective. -- matt kane's brain techno radio at: http://hydrogenproject.com capoeira in boston http://capoeirageraisboston.com aim - mkbatwerk ; y! - mkb218 ; gtalk - mkb.dirtyorg -- fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US -- matt kane's brain techno radio at: http://hydrogenproject.com capoeira in boston http://capoeirageraisboston.com aim - mkbatwerk ; y! - mkb218 ; gtalk - mkb.dirtyorg
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Thank goodness, someone intelligent/interesting using it. ;) Ie not the appalling John Mayer. On 30/04/2009, at 11:59 PM, Matt Kane's Brain wrote: Of COURSE it had to be Hawtin who does it: http://www.m-nus.com/newsletters/TWITTER%20press%20release.pdf -- matt kane's brain techno radio at: http://hydrogenproject.com capoeira in boston http://capoeirageraisboston.com aim - mkbatwerk ; y! - mkb218 ; gtalk - mkb.dirtyorg
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On 01/05/2009, at 12:13 AM, kent williams wrote: And more than that, what DJ wants to play in front of a crowd glued to their cellies? I think it's too late, that's already the norm! I think Richie is an OK guy -- really, I'm not being sarcastic. But he needs to get out of the freaking echo chamber he's built up around himself. Can you imagine -- just as an example -- Omar-S twittering from the DJ Booth? DJ Bone? Buzz Goree? Theo Parrish? Ron Hardy? Those guys don't need technology to mediate between them and their audience -- they're ALREADY INTERACTING INTIMATELY WITH THEIR AUDIENCE. To be fair to Richie, he's never been an 'extrovert' DJ or performance based DJ. He's probably the one DJ who could get away with tweeting and make an 'art' of it.
