RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
recycled eggs for breakfast faux dreadlocks ring the bell ovum births 313 deathspiral respect, Jeff Davisfon: 216.266.69696 [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax: 216.266.2360 home.earthlink.net\~phlow cel: 216.533.6303 hyperreal.org\music\rotator\ -Original Message- From: :P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 11:45 AM To: 313 Subject: Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield we should ALL write haikus about bell vs wink wouldnt that make you all feel better? -Joe - Original Message - From: Neontsetse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'glyn' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield what´s the problem with negativity ? when things are neative, they are trying to avoid it - don´t make them better this is about culture - negativity is a part of it - so it´s good to keep a focus on things like this one too don´t get me wrong - I don´t need to enter the subject again now but just don´t be so afraid of bad vibes stay focused on the reasons of negativity (without entering the gossip-level) thanks for forcefield and all people highlighting the rip-off-story out m planez2002 caught me in a bad mood, work stress ;) lets squash this topic -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:22 PM To: Grammenos, Peter Cc: 'glyn'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield ok- lets not have any fun and just continue this completely played out topic of negativity. On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Grammenos, Peter wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:40 PM To: Grammenos, Peter Cc: 'glyn'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield i can't even begin to imagine how many tracks have the word freak in them. PG .. on a track that sounds as similar as these two do wanna start a list? PG lets start a list of these. gotta any deep chord tracks named after any basic channel tracks? no. any others.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
caught me in a bad mood, work stress ;) lets squash this topic -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:22 PM To: Grammenos, Peter Cc: 'glyn'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield ok- lets not have any fun and just continue this completely played out topic of negativity. On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Grammenos, Peter wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:40 PM To: Grammenos, Peter Cc: 'glyn'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield i can't even begin to imagine how many tracks have the word freak in them. PG .. on a track that sounds as similar as these two do wanna start a list? PG lets start a list of these. gotta any deep chord tracks named after any basic channel tracks? no. any others.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
what´s the problem with negativity ? when things are neative, they are trying to avoid it - don´t make them better this is about culture - negativity is a part of it - so it´s good to keep a focus on things like this one too don´t get me wrong - I don´t need to enter the subject again now but just don´t be so afraid of bad vibes stay focused on the reasons of negativity (without entering the gossip-level) thanks for forcefield and all people highlighting the rip-off-story out m planez2002 caught me in a bad mood, work stress ;) lets squash this topic -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:22 PM To: Grammenos, Peter Cc: 'glyn'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield ok- lets not have any fun and just continue this completely played out topic of negativity. On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Grammenos, Peter wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:40 PM To: Grammenos, Peter Cc: 'glyn'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield i can't even begin to imagine how many tracks have the word freak in them. PG .. on a track that sounds as similar as these two do wanna start a list? PG lets start a list of these. gotta any deep chord tracks named after any basic channel tracks? no. any others.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
we should ALL write haikus about bell vs wink wouldnt that make you all feel better? -Joe - Original Message - From: Neontsetse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'glyn' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield what´s the problem with negativity ? when things are neative, they are trying to avoid it - don´t make them better this is about culture - negativity is a part of it - so it´s good to keep a focus on things like this one too don´t get me wrong - I don´t need to enter the subject again now but just don´t be so afraid of bad vibes stay focused on the reasons of negativity (without entering the gossip-level) thanks for forcefield and all people highlighting the rip-off-story out m planez2002 caught me in a bad mood, work stress ;) lets squash this topic -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:22 PM To: Grammenos, Peter Cc: 'glyn'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield ok- lets not have any fun and just continue this completely played out topic of negativity. On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Grammenos, Peter wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:40 PM To: Grammenos, Peter Cc: 'glyn'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield i can't even begin to imagine how many tracks have the word freak in them. PG .. on a track that sounds as similar as these two do wanna start a list? PG lets start a list of these. gotta any deep chord tracks named after any basic channel tracks? no. any others.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
oh man. I really really didn't want to, but the Haiku force was too strong... About Bell and Wink... I have reached a conclusion- I'm falling asleep. - Original Message - From: :P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield we should ALL write haikus about bell vs wink wouldnt that make you all feel better? -Joe - Original Message - From: Neontsetse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'glyn' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield what´s the problem with negativity ? when things are neative, they are trying to avoid it - don´t make them better this is about culture - negativity is a part of it - so it´s good to keep a focus on things like this one too don´t get me wrong - I don´t need to enter the subject again now but just don´t be so afraid of bad vibes stay focused on the reasons of negativity (without entering the gossip-level) thanks for forcefield and all people highlighting the rip-off-story out m planez2002 caught me in a bad mood, work stress ;) lets squash this topic -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:22 PM To: Grammenos, Peter Cc: 'glyn'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield ok- lets not have any fun and just continue this completely played out topic of negativity. On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Grammenos, Peter wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:40 PM To: Grammenos, Peter Cc: 'glyn'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield i can't even begin to imagine how many tracks have the word freak in them. PG .. on a track that sounds as similar as these two do wanna start a list? PG lets start a list of these. gotta any deep chord tracks named after any basic channel tracks? no. any others.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
At 11:44 AM -0400 4/25/2002, :P wrote: we should ALL write haikus about bell vs wink freak is minimal so is wink's track superfreak 'cept not as super yes I feel much better now. :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
YAY! one question: 5,7,5? I need to get my haiku strategy down before I submit my attempt :) - Original Message - From: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: :P [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield At 11:44 AM -0400 4/25/2002, :P wrote: we should ALL write haikus about bell vs wink freak is minimal so is wink's track superfreak 'cept not as super yes I feel much better now. :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
here`s some good link for the haiku stuff: http://www.toyomasu.com/haiku/#howtowritehaiku -Original Message- From: :P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:35 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield YAY! one question: 5,7,5? I need to get my haiku strategy down before I submit my attempt :) - Original Message - From: Dan Sicko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: :P [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield At 11:44 AM -0400 4/25/2002, :P wrote: we should ALL write haikus about bell vs wink freak is minimal so is wink's track superfreak 'cept not as super yes I feel much better now. :) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
That is a blatant rip off, period! Tracks feel the same, sound the same, and probably use the use the same production techniques ! [ one can never be certain ]. How lame, especially for a producer like wink who has been in the business for this long. But then again, he isn't the first producer to do this... Nice article... -Original Message- From: marsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:52 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; truevibes-yahoogroups.com Subject: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield forcefield seems to being rebuild for dan bell josh wink both tracks and letters are up at: http://www.forcefield.org tracks go in streaming mp3.. a lot easier for you all up as well is the new column from our techno space cadet 'amazing' arnold so far so good .. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
i have a feeling that dan`s letter is more to the point. soon as i can i`ll check the tracks and than we see what we can see y -Original Message- From: Grammenos, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 7:37 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield That is a blatant rip off, period! Tracks feel the same, sound the same, and probably use the use the same production techniques ! [ one can never be certain ]. How lame, especially for a producer like wink who has been in the business for this long. But then again, he isn't the first producer to do this... Nice article... -Original Message- From: marsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:52 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; truevibes-yahoogroups.com Subject: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield forcefield seems to being rebuild for dan bell josh wink both tracks and letters are up at: http://www.forcefield.org tracks go in streaming mp3.. a lot easier for you all up as well is the new column from our techno space cadet 'amazing' arnold so far so good .. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield OT
True! I second this! Who heard the last Kenny Hawkes and Louise Carver Play The Game on Music For Freaks ? (Release date end of April? ) Sounds, imho, more than a passing resembelence to Josh One. I'm awaiting Josh Stinks, sorry Wink reaction on this one. Sorry sometimes I can't help From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:36:48 -0400 That is a blatant rip off, period! Tracks feel the same, sound the same, and probably use the use the same production techniques ! [ one can never be certain ]. How lame, especially for a producer like wink who has been in the business for this long. But then again, he isn't the first producer to do this... Nice article... -Original Message- From: marsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:52 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; truevibes-yahoogroups.com Subject: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield forcefield seems to being rebuild for dan bell josh wink both tracks and letters are up at: http://www.forcefield.org tracks go in streaming mp3.. a lot easier for you all up as well is the new column from our techno space cadet 'amazing' arnold so far so good .. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And what about _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
in my opinion everyone is free to draw an acid synth into a drum programing and name the track. we all have to agree that josh wink's behavior was really weird since he put the sample the same word into the track but i dont have a big problem with that. im surprised that this topic ever came out. The Wood Tower That is a blatant rip off, period! Tracks feel the same, sound the same, and probably use the use the same production techniques ! [ one can never be certain ]. How lame, especially for a producer like wink who has been in the business for this long. But then again, he isn't the first producer to do this... Nice article... -Original Message- From: marsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:52 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; truevibes-yahoogroups.com Subject: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield forcefield seems to being rebuild for dan bell josh wink both tracks and letters are up at: http://www.forcefield.org tracks go in streaming mp3.. a lot easier for you all up as well is the new column from our techno space cadet 'amazing' arnold so far so good .. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
Grammenos, Peter wrote: That is a blatant rip off, period! Tracks feel the same, sound the same, and probably use the use the same production techniques ! [ one can never be certain ]. How lame, especially for a producer like wink who has been in the business for this long. But then again, he isn't the first producer to do this... you know, i didn't see the similarity between the other bell mp3 that was posted a couple of weeks ago, but thought i would give him the benefit of the doubt until i heard this current that was posted on forcefield. having checked now it out, i think it's fairly evident that the tracks have different drum sounds and programming, different main monosynth lines, and really different-sounding vocal samples/effects treatments of freak (in all honesty, i think wink does a lot more with the latter than bell). sure it sounds and feels like bell (and also like robert hood-- especially the monosynth line), but a *lot* of techno tracks sound and feel like other techno tracks. if wink owes bell anything over this then samuel l. sessions and every second hard techno producer after about 1998 or so should be making monthly payments to jeff mills, the deepchord guys should have already sold their firstborns to the hardwax crew, and every halfwit who ever lays hand on a tb-303 with the intent of making squelchy noises should write a cheque to dj pierre spanky, etc. etc. etc. the argument here seems to me to stem more from a dislike for wink and his previous trashy rave anthems more than it does from any real musical analysis. glyn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
just tell me this then, why on earth would he call is superfreak? in my opinion it's because he's taken freak [ from '92 ] and applied new production techniques/equipment to the original idea... give dan bell some credit, at a minimum the inspiration for the name/voice sample. i don't know of any tracks that use the same exact word/phrase on a track that sound as similar as these two do and also have similar titles. -pete -Original Message- From: glyn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:36 PM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield Grammenos, Peter wrote: That is a blatant rip off, period! Tracks feel the same, sound the same, and probably use the use the same production techniques ! [ one can never be certain ]. How lame, especially for a producer like wink who has been in the business for this long. But then again, he isn't the first producer to do this... you know, i didn't see the similarity between the other bell mp3 that was posted a couple of weeks ago, but thought i would give him the benefit of the doubt until i heard this current that was posted on forcefield. having checked now it out, i think it's fairly evident that the tracks have different drum sounds and programming, different main monosynth lines, and really different-sounding vocal samples/effects treatments of freak (in all honesty, i think wink does a lot more with the latter than bell). sure it sounds and feels like bell (and also like robert hood-- especially the monosynth line), but a *lot* of techno tracks sound and feel like other techno tracks. if wink owes bell anything over this then samuel l. sessions and every second hard techno producer after about 1998 or so should be making monthly payments to jeff mills, the deepchord guys should have already sold their firstborns to the hardwax crew, and every halfwit who ever lays hand on a tb-303 with the intent of making squelchy noises should write a cheque to dj pierre spanky, etc. etc. etc. the argument here seems to me to stem more from a dislike for wink and his previous trashy rave anthems more than it does from any real musical analysis. glyn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
just tell me this then, why on earth would he call is superfreak? and i ask, why would he INTENTIONALLY write a track supposedly exactly like a dan bell track, and then swipe the name? If he had ANY sense (which, regardless of what you think of wink, he has to have some or else he wouldn't be in the position he is now), would he name the track the same as well? was he lookin for a fight? i don't think so. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
if dan bell had any sense, and i think you would agree that he does [judging by the position HE'S in], why on earth would he publicly slag josh, to make himself look like a person who didn't know what he was talking about??? there is some validity in dan bell's letter, otherwise it would not have been written. he knows more about the particulars of his track than anyone else does. you gotta give the guy some credit. -Original Message- From: Jayson B. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:04 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield just tell me this then, why on earth would he call is superfreak? and i ask, why would he INTENTIONALLY write a track supposedly exactly like a dan bell track, and then swipe the name? If he had ANY sense (which, regardless of what you think of wink, he has to have some or else he wouldn't be in the position he is now), would he name the track the same as well? was he lookin for a fight? i don't think so. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] just tell me this then, why on earth would he call is superfreak? in my opinion it's because he's taken freak [ from '92 ] and applied new production techniques/equipment to the original idea... you cannot copyright song names/titles. lots of songs have the same name. I'm coming up dry for an example, (wait van halen's and the pointer sister's - jump, different songs same name) so as to why he named it superfreak and not just freak?? _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
amen!!! On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, glyn wrote: Grammenos, Peter wrote: That is a blatant rip off, period! Tracks feel the same, sound the same, and probably use the use the same production techniques ! [ one can never be certain ]. How lame, especially for a producer like wink who has been in the business for this long. But then again, he isn't the first producer to do this... you know, i didn't see the similarity between the other bell mp3 that was posted a couple of weeks ago, but thought i would give him the benefit of the doubt until i heard this current that was posted on forcefield. having checked now it out, i think it's fairly evident that the tracks have different drum sounds and programming, different main monosynth lines, and really different-sounding vocal samples/effects treatments of freak (in all honesty, i think wink does a lot more with the latter than bell). sure it sounds and feels like bell (and also like robert hood-- especially the monosynth line), but a *lot* of techno tracks sound and feel like other techno tracks. if wink owes bell anything over this then samuel l. sessions and every second hard techno producer after about 1998 or so should be making monthly payments to jeff mills, the deepchord guys should have already sold their firstborns to the hardwax crew, and every halfwit who ever lays hand on a tb-303 with the intent of making squelchy noises should write a cheque to dj pierre spanky, etc. etc. etc. the argument here seems to me to stem more from a dislike for wink and his previous trashy rave anthems more than it does from any real musical analysis. glyn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
i can't even begin to imagine how many tracks have the word freak in them. wanna start a list? On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Grammenos, Peter wrote: just tell me this then, why on earth would he call is superfreak? in my opinion it's because he's taken freak [ from '92 ] and applied new production techniques/equipment to the original idea... give dan bell some credit, at a minimum the inspiration for the name/voice sample. i don't know of any tracks that use the same exact word/phrase on a track that sound as similar as these two do and also have similar titles. -pete -Original Message- From: glyn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 2:36 PM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield Grammenos, Peter wrote: That is a blatant rip off, period! Tracks feel the same, sound the same, and probably use the use the same production techniques ! [ one can never be certain ]. How lame, especially for a producer like wink who has been in the business for this long. But then again, he isn't the first producer to do this... you know, i didn't see the similarity between the other bell mp3 that was posted a couple of weeks ago, but thought i would give him the benefit of the doubt until i heard this current that was posted on forcefield. having checked now it out, i think it's fairly evident that the tracks have different drum sounds and programming, different main monosynth lines, and really different-sounding vocal samples/effects treatments of freak (in all honesty, i think wink does a lot more with the latter than bell). sure it sounds and feels like bell (and also like robert hood-- especially the monosynth line), but a *lot* of techno tracks sound and feel like other techno tracks. if wink owes bell anything over this then samuel l. sessions and every second hard techno producer after about 1998 or so should be making monthly payments to jeff mills, the deepchord guys should have already sold their firstborns to the hardwax crew, and every halfwit who ever lays hand on a tb-303 with the intent of making squelchy noises should write a cheque to dj pierre spanky, etc. etc. etc. the argument here seems to me to stem more from a dislike for wink and his previous trashy rave anthems more than it does from any real musical analysis. glyn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:40 PM To: Grammenos, Peter Cc: 'glyn'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield i can't even begin to imagine how many tracks have the word freak in them. PG .. on a track that sounds as similar as these two do wanna start a list? PG lets start a list of these. gotta any deep chord tracks named after any basic channel tracks? no. any others.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
ok- lets not have any fun and just continue this completely played out topic of negativity. On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Grammenos, Peter wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 3:40 PM To: Grammenos, Peter Cc: 'glyn'; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield i can't even begin to imagine how many tracks have the word freak in them. PG .. on a track that sounds as similar as these two do wanna start a list? PG lets start a list of these. gotta any deep chord tracks named after any basic channel tracks? no. any others.. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
there's this awful acid-techno group called Autokinetic that titled one of their tracks Spaz. On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, scotto you know wrote: From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] just tell me this then, why on earth would he call is superfreak? in my opinion it's because he's taken freak [ from '92 ] and applied new production techniques/equipment to the original idea... you cannot copyright song names/titles. lots of songs have the same name. I'm coming up dry for an example, (wait van halen's and the pointer sister's - jump, different songs same name) so as to why he named it superfreak and not just freak?? _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
on a related note, you can have movies of the same name - slackers and slackers... and many more... -Original Message- From: scotto you know [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:42 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] just tell me this then, why on earth would he call is superfreak? in my opinion it's because he's taken freak [ from '92 ] and applied new production techniques/equipment to the original idea... you cannot copyright song names/titles. lots of songs have the same name. I'm coming up dry for an example, (wait van halen's and the pointer sister's - jump, different songs same name) so as to why he named it superfreak and not just freak?? _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield
actually, i thought that was weird. i can't really think of two movies that have the same name, that aren't re-makes. On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, Holly MacDonald-Korth wrote: on a related note, you can have movies of the same name - slackers and slackers... and many more... -Original Message- From: scotto you know [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 1:42 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] just tell me this then, why on earth would he call is superfreak? in my opinion it's because he's taken freak [ from '92 ] and applied new production techniques/equipment to the original idea... you cannot copyright song names/titles. lots of songs have the same name. I'm coming up dry for an example, (wait van halen's and the pointer sister's - jump, different songs same name) so as to why he named it superfreak and not just freak?? _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
