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Hans is right. And not only: Mike Banks told me in 1995 how much he respected what Richie Hawtin has done. This was at a time when there was a lot of resentment around Detroit about the course the Plus 8 crew had taken. Richie, Johnny Q and the others never disrespected the producers and musicians in Detroit, but their enthusiasm got them in a bit of trouble early on (the Future Sound of Detroit slogan etc.). To their credit, they made amends and when I talked with him, Mike acknowledged that. The real expert on this history remains Dan Sicko, and a lot of the story didn't make it into Techno Rebels. I think Dan put exactly the right emphasis on it in print, and the rest is better left to the private views of those involved. There's another interesting postscript to the story. When the DEMF management went off course this year, Richie was the one who stood up and said what needed to be said. Where were all the other voices that should have been out there? I'm still wondering about that. I'm not particularly fond of his DJing style, actually, but I have total admiration for his focus on his music and his dedication to a healthy music scene. Richie, like Mike, is one of the people I count on to carry things forward in a productive and positive fashion. And they have never disappointed me. As for the 313 list. I've been privileged to participate here over the years, and what I have learned is how different this list is from many others. If you come in here shootin' off, you better know what you're saying, because not only are there those who know the story better, but often they were there in the story themselves. phred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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about totally different dj sets: when a dj gets to be more than a record player, similarities in his sets point to a theme, leitmotiv, something more than bull shit...someone tries to say something and often certain-- words,--lets say , come up to help him express himself playing a totally different dj set every time is great too, but there is something to b said for knowing your rec's well, as many an originator proves time in time out :this is my humble f'in opinion --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just for the sake of interest shall we say. 1) of all the times i've seen him he has never played remotely the same set Really? h 2) he has and continues to push the boundries of a dj / live pa set Hmmm ...like how? By using a sound efx? by using a 909? yawn..! 3) i've never seen a dj, except for mark farina, come close to taking the audience on a journey the way that he does. Mark Farina?!?!?maybe you need to see a few more artists.. 4) i love hard techno, and nobody does it better. Are you sure your not his bitch boy or somthing? 'to each their own.' flame on.. kyle Quoting Alexander Ohanyan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was wondering why nearly every one is on richie hawtin's dick on this list?--just a question in general, desiring a sincere answer!!! I do like much of his music, no disrespect there; but, really, why? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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K got your message times 3.. Yeah like whats important in regards to artistic sh*t is that you put something of yourself in there ; as stated knowing all your records, or changing things up ..but you still have something,what ever it is thats coming from you and not a reflection of everything else... funny when people post sh*t like what U did someone always comes with the reply below ..' oh thats negitive' ..blah blah etc etc... then at the bottom they have a UR qoute, to me whats F'ing negitive is not question sh*t , to accept everything broadcasted at you or to not say something totally opposite , even for discussions sake to stir up reactions and cause everyone to think about why they believe what they do...this is the essence of not letting yourself be controled!!! cheers! Alexander Ohanyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pissy pissy, I didn't ask why everyone thinks mother teresa is so special... Those things that bother us often and usually point to more important things, like who to glorify that's white, perhaps, in this case, (not neccessarily), but just maybe... --- Jussi Lehtonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 18 Jul 2001, T.J.Johnson wrote: Besides that why would someone even post something as off topic and as negative as your post? What actual good could your question/statement ever do? Is it your intention to just piss people off? Might be, actually it's called 'trolling'. A more subtle version of 'flaming'. It's for the people who have too much time and too few ideas of what to do. J -- Jussi Lehtonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.netppl.fi/~sandman Do not allow yourself to be programmed. For once, in your life, take control. Take control. - UR - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wv909 wrote: this is the essence of not letting yourself be controled!!! the essence of not being controlled is to recognize the limitations of this world.. those of man, and those of nature, and moving freely within them.. it has nothing to do with a discussion about worshipping rich hawtin or a vocoded voice from UR. worship no man. respect all. you definitely owe kyle dupuy an apology. we all benefit from discourse, but not senseless insults. it amazes me what people will say to others on-line or behind their backs when they aren't looking in your eyes.. techno is about communication... and most of detroit is a back-stabbing double talking smoke screen, the furthest thing from an evolved sub-culture. p.s. we like +8 and Hawtin because they are always looking ahead, always open creatively, and we have a long history together of breaking laws and dancing in abandoned buildings. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There are no limitations thats only YOUR perspective! the essence of not being controlled is to recognize the limitations of this world.. those of man, and those of nature, and moving freely within them.. it has nothing to do with a discussion about worshipping rich hawtin or a vocoded voice from UR. worship no man. respect all. you definitely owe kyle dupuy an apology. we all benefit from discourse, but not senseless insults. it amazes me what people will say to others on-line or behind their backs when they aren't looking in your eyes.. techno is about communication... and most of detroit is a back-stabbing double talking smoke screen, the furthest thing from an evolved sub-culture. I definately do not owe anyone anything so get through to your grey matter.. Your though process in regards to this is an amazement..and humourous Definately though if he wanted to reply to my face I could be in A2 in 30 minutes ..but instead he chose to 'cast senseless insults' in return , as you put it.(Is he justified,but I'm not?) And maybe you just hit on my very indirect point of worshiping a human... In regards to your 'P.S. whos we? you and him? I sugesst you check out HYPEREAL.com most directly the story of how the +8 people denied entry to DREXICYA and SUBMERGE crew at one of these little forays into 'breaking laws' at a RAVE in an abandonded building,in Detroit...This really shows the true aspect of open creativity and looking ahead huh? p.s. we like +8 and Hawtin because they are always looking ahead, always open creatively, and we have a long history together of breaking laws and dancing in abandoned buildings. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There are no limitations thats only YOUR perspective! Uuuuh. There are limitations to how deep man can dive into the ocean, how high man can fly, how long man can live, how loud music can be before a man's eardrums blow out, how much weight you can lift. The fact of the matter is that there are limitations to us while we are in this dimension. I do agree, however, that there is a plane of existence where we are not limited, but, unfortunately, none of us are inhabiting that plane right now. Atleast none of us who are typing emails to the 313 list. I think what was said earlier pertained to realizing our limitations right now. In the long-run, including our after-life, I think that we are in-fact limitless. So I guess it just matters what time-scale we are using when we determine whether or not we are limited. Maybe the ones who really know that we are limitless in the after-life are those same ones who commit suicide in a hurry to get to that realm. But maybe that is a bad idea because we will ruin our chance to get to that plane. One thing we are not limited in is our imageination. Imageination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world. -Albert Einstein- I agree with you all. I think it goes both ways. I find myself caught somewhere between science and reality--wanting to know everything, but understanding that that is impossible because there is no everything. Limited, yet limitless. Maybe being both is being limitless. I think so. I find myslef leaning toward the same opinion as stated above (wv909). The only thing I may disagree with is people insulting others. We all have different opinions and perspectives. Let's keep it that way and try not to impose our beliefs on others and trying to make people feel dumb. Our differences are what make us (all of us) a limitless entity--taking all of our beliefs and combining them into one all-encompassing opinion. Keep 313ing everyone and let's express our limitless existence, here in this dimension, thru music! This stuff is really cool to think about... It's nod a tuma! TJ www.djwraith.com www.mp3.com/wraith313 www.outrecords.com PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Just for the sake of interest shall we say. 1) of all the times i've seen him he has never played remotely the same set Really? h 2) he has and continues to push the boundries of a dj / live pa set Hmmm ...like how? By using a sound efx? by using a 909? yawn..! 3) i've never seen a dj, except for mark farina, come close to taking the audience on a journey the way that he does. Mark Farina?!?!?maybe you need to see a few more artists.. 4) i love hard techno, and nobody does it better. Are you sure your not his bitch boy or somthing? 'to each their own.' flame on.. kyle Quoting Alexander Ohanyan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was wondering why nearly every one is on richie hawtin's dick on this list?--just a question in general, desiring a sincere answer!!! I do like much of his music, no disrespect there; but, really, why? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This past tour he did, I witnessed a DJ set that any other hard Euro DJ would have done. It was boring and funkless (basically loops). I've heard the same complaint from people all across the U.S. This is not to say that Mr. Hawtin sucks. On the contrary he doesn't. Just this last time would be completely forgettable if it had been any other DJ. But it wasn't and _that_ is what is so dissapointing. MEK From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: spoon [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: Re: [313] curious? Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:25:24 -0400 Just for the sake of interest shall we say. 1) of all the times i've seen him he has never played remotely the same set Really? h 2) he has and continues to push the boundries of a dj / live pa set Hmmm ...like how? By using a sound efx? by using a 909? yawn..! 3) i've never seen a dj, except for mark farina, come close to taking the audience on a journey the way that he does. Mark Farina?!?!?maybe you need to see a few more artists.. 4) i love hard techno, and nobody does it better. Are you sure your not his bitch boy or somthing? 'to each their own.' flame on.. kyle Quoting Alexander Ohanyan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was wondering why nearly every one is on richie hawtin's dick on this list?--just a question in general, desiring a sincere answer!!! I do like much of his music, no disrespect there; but, really, why? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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bottom line, he has more good nights than bad. Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music. From: M Elliot-Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: Re: [313] curious? Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 17:11:42 - This past tour he did, I witnessed a DJ set that any other hard Euro DJ would have done. It was boring and funkless (basically loops). I've heard the same complaint from people all across the U.S. This is not to say that Mr. Hawtin sucks. On the contrary he doesn't. Just this last time would be completely forgettable if it had been any other DJ. But it wasn't and _that_ is what is so dissapointing. MEK From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: spoon [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: Re: [313] curious? Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 11:25:24 -0400 Just for the sake of interest shall we say. 1) of all the times i've seen him he has never played remotely the same set Really? h 2) he has and continues to push the boundries of a dj / live pa set Hmmm ...like how? By using a sound efx? by using a 909? yawn..! 3) i've never seen a dj, except for mark farina, come close to taking the audience on a journey the way that he does. Mark Farina?!?!?maybe you need to see a few more artists.. 4) i love hard techno, and nobody does it better. Are you sure your not his bitch boy or somthing? 'to each their own.' flame on.. kyle Quoting Alexander Ohanyan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I was wondering why nearly every one is on richie hawtin's dick on this list?--just a question in general, desiring a sincere answer!!! I do like much of his music, no disrespect there; but, really, why? __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This past tour he did, I witnessed a DJ set that any other hard Euro DJ would have done. It was boring and funkless (basically loops). I'm sorry, but it really bothers me when the words 'funk' and 'soul' as if they are synonymous with 'good' and 'solid.' *I* am not a person who has funk or soul, does this mean i'm a bad person? Just because a track doesn't contain these elements does not mean its bad. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Just because a track doesn't contain these elements does not mean its bad. but...it don't mean a thing if it aint got that swing! !-) tp np: daniel wang - idealism - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jayson I guess you missed lingo 101 last thursday so here's the update on funk and soul: funk: the groove that makes your body move soul: the emotion you feel from the music funk and soul have nothing to do with 'good' and 'solid'. In fact someone can mix with a plethora of funk and soul and still not be good or solid. if a track contains no funk or soul that it would probably not move or touch a crowd, it becomes the forgettable classic. The song you can't sing in your head, is the one you forget most often. Cheers todd - Original Message - From: Jayson B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: RE: Re: [313] curious? This past tour he did, I witnessed a DJ set that any other hard Euro DJ would have done. It was boring and funkless (basically loops). I'm sorry, but it really bothers me when the words 'funk' and 'soul' as if they are synonymous with 'good' and 'solid.' *I* am not a person who has funk or soul, does this mean i'm a bad person? Just because a track doesn't contain these elements does not mean its bad. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
