Re: [313] confused about confuser

2002-08-16 Thread robin pinning
 Well, I'd say I somewhat agree, although not totally.

heh, i can say the same to the below :)

but:

 1.  I think it can be done on two decks... but the mixing has to be
 pretty quick certainly.  Not letting records just play out but really
 mixing and playing around with them.

yeah but you have to be superquick and if your good with the eq you can
pick different parts of three records for one mix, or run two copies of a
'looped banger' for max funk impact :). two decks is a lot more difficult
for this (tho not impossible)

i think you're spot on with the textures comment

robin...

 2.  Not all looped bangers are equally interesting!  Some records may be
 looped but, have, say, a bassline that is just sick.  Or just one little
 thing, such as a string part, that fades in slowly and gives it that
 certain feeling.  I tend to look for records that are certainly mostly
 looped bangers but have that one thing that makes them dramatic and
 memorable in some way.
 3.  There are a lot of different textures within minimal techno and
 banging drumtrax records.  To me a big problem with boring techno sets
 is often that they display no variation in the overall texture as they
 progress.  To me things should move in a gradual way to different
 places.  I notice with the overabundance of tribal tracks that the all
 tribal texture can definitely get boring if not mixed with other flavors.
 4.  There is a way to mix in more minimal records which makes them seem
 more dramatic, good DJs do this.  Of course working the FX well helps on
 this too.




 just some comments, I think this is pretty 313 relevant since Detroit
 has its own share of this techno!
 /dave.cyborg_k


 robin pinning wrote:

 
 i think to make the most of 'looped bangers' you have to have three decks
 and skills to match (a feel for what frequencies you should be using etc
 etc for a start)not all techno DJs have these skills and just play
 3mins of looped banging and then a quick 8bar mix and another loop record,
 this is why looped records have a bad name imo
 
 robin...
 




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Re: [313] confused about confuser

2002-08-15 Thread Toby Frith
I've got confuser 001 - if it is Marco Carola, it doesn't sound like him
as it's got a rough edge to it and his productions are usually quite
crisp-sounding. However I've not heard any Tobias Schmidt records so




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 Hello all.  I have a certain question concerning a certain record I
 purchased a couple of months ago.  The label simply reads 'Confuser' and
 bears the names Tobias  Marco.  For the longest time I had no inkling as
to
 what the origin of this album truly was.  As serendipity would have it, I
 was mindlessly leafing through an old issue of URB the other night, and lo
 and behold I see the name Confuser 1 in the reviews section.  (If I
remember
 correctly, the guest columnist was Regis.)  From what I gathered the
artists
 responsible were none other than Tobias Schmidt and Marco Carola.  Is this
 correct?  The tracks are amalgamations of samples from classic house and
 techno tracks.  Am I way off base here?  Now, was this a one shot deal, or
 the beginning of a continued series?  And is Confuser simply a project
name
 or a label spinoff?  Thanks in advance for the inside scoop.

   Rusty



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RE: [313] confused about confuser

2002-08-15 Thread Sean Creen
Did I die and get sent to G-tech?

;-)

Sean.

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Subject: [313] confused about confuser


Hello all.  I have a certain question concerning a certain record I
purchased a couple of months ago.  The label simply reads 'Confuser' and
bears the names Tobias  Marco.  For the longest time I had no inkling as to
what the origin of this album truly was.  As serendipity would have it, I
was mindlessly leafing through an old issue of URB the other night, and lo
and behold I see the name Confuser 1 in the reviews section.  (If I remember
correctly, the guest columnist was Regis.)  From what I gathered the artists
responsible were none other than Tobias Schmidt and Marco Carola.  Is this
correct?  The tracks are amalgamations of samples from classic house and
techno tracks.  Am I way off base here?  Now, was this a one shot deal, or
the beginning of a continued series?  And is Confuser simply a project name
or a label spinoff?  Thanks in advance for the inside scoop.

  Rusty



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RE: [313] confused about confuser

2002-08-15 Thread Wibo Lammerts
Shit, u telling me that this IS NOT G-tech?

faaack!

w

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Did I die and get sent to G-tech?

;-)

Sean.

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Subject: [313] confused about confuser


Hello all.  I have a certain question concerning a certain record I
purchased a couple of months ago.  The label simply reads 'Confuser' and
bears the names Tobias  Marco.  For the longest time I had no inkling as to
what the origin of this album truly was.  As serendipity would have it, I
was mindlessly leafing through an old issue of URB the other night, and lo
and behold I see the name Confuser 1 in the reviews section.  (If I remember
correctly, the guest columnist was Regis.)  From what I gathered the artists
responsible were none other than Tobias Schmidt and Marco Carola.  Is this
correct?  The tracks are amalgamations of samples from classic house and
techno tracks.  Am I way off base here?  Now, was this a one shot deal, or
the beginning of a continued series?  And is Confuser simply a project name
or a label spinoff?  Thanks in advance for the inside scoop.

  Rusty



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Re: [313] confused about confuser

2002-08-15 Thread james boylan

I've got confuser 001 - if it is Marco Carola, it doesn't sound like him
as it's got a rough edge to it and his productions are usually quite
crisp-sounding. However I've not heard any Tobias Schmidt records so


Scmhidt's record are generally 'rough'and excellent, imho.






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Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 1:56 PM
Subject: [313] confused about confuser


 Hello all.  I have a certain question concerning a certain record I
 purchased a couple of months ago.  The label simply reads 'Confuser' and
 bears the names Tobias  Marco.  For the longest time I had no inkling 
as

to
 what the origin of this album truly was.  As serendipity would have it, 
I
 was mindlessly leafing through an old issue of URB the other night, and 
lo

 and behold I see the name Confuser 1 in the reviews section.  (If I
remember
 correctly, the guest columnist was Regis.)  From what I gathered the
artists
 responsible were none other than Tobias Schmidt and Marco Carola.  Is 
this

 correct?  The tracks are amalgamations of samples from classic house and
 techno tracks.  Am I way off base here?  Now, was this a one shot deal, 
or

 the beginning of a continued series?  And is Confuser simply a project
name
 or a label spinoff?  Thanks in advance for the inside scoop.

   Rusty



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Re: [313] confused about confuser

2002-08-15 Thread David Powers

What is G-Tech?
I've noticed that 313 seems to be a lot more on the house vibe these days.
And everybody hates loops now.  
I personally don't see what's offensive about a bunch of nice minimal loops.

(Of course some techno DJs are boring I agree...)

/dave.cyborg_k



Wibo Lammerts wrote:


Shit, u telling me that this IS NOT G-tech?

faaack!

w

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From: Sean Creen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 15 augustus 2002 15:04
To: Rusty Blasco; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] confused about confuser


Did I die and get sent to G-tech?

;-)

Sean.

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From: Rusty Blasco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 August 2002 13:56
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] confused about confuser


Hello all.  I have a certain question concerning a certain record I
purchased a couple of months ago.  The label simply reads 'Confuser' and
bears the names Tobias  Marco.  For the longest time I had no inkling as to
what the origin of this album truly was.  As serendipity would have it, I
was mindlessly leafing through an old issue of URB the other night, and lo
and behold I see the name Confuser 1 in the reviews section.  (If I remember
correctly, the guest columnist was Regis.)  From what I gathered the artists
responsible were none other than Tobias Schmidt and Marco Carola.  Is this
correct?  The tracks are amalgamations of samples from classic house and
techno tracks.  Am I way off base here?  Now, was this a one shot deal, or
the beginning of a continued series?  And is Confuser simply a project name
or a label spinoff?  Thanks in advance for the inside scoop.

 Rusty



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Re: [313] confused about confuser

2002-08-15 Thread g


On Thursday, August 15, 2002, at 07:57 AM, David Powers wrote:


What is G-Tech?


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Re: [313] confused about confuser

2002-08-15 Thread henrique casanova
nothing wrong with loops (minimal nation is maybe my favorite release ever).
but what people name detroit techno have something more then the loops,
when it is loopy. a detroit techno song must have 3 things in my opinion:
minimalism, seriousity (does this word existis? hehe) and feeling. i can
find no feeling or seriousity in those tech-house tracks that are made to
be spined only, with apelative vocal samples working as the main chord. even
when there are some interesting efects.

take care you all.  henrique.
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Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [313] confused about confuser


 What is G-Tech?
 I've noticed that 313 seems to be a lot more on the house vibe these days.
 And everybody hates loops now.
 I personally don't see what's offensive about a bunch of nice minimal
loops.
 (Of course some techno DJs are boring I agree...)

 /dave.cyborg_k



 Wibo Lammerts wrote:

 Shit, u telling me that this IS NOT G-tech?
 
 faaack!
 
 w
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Sean Creen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: donderdag 15 augustus 2002 15:04
 To: Rusty Blasco; 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: [313] confused about confuser
 
 
 Did I die and get sent to G-tech?
 
 ;-)
 
 Sean.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Rusty Blasco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 15 August 2002 13:56
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: [313] confused about confuser
 
 
 Hello all.  I have a certain question concerning a certain record I
 purchased a couple of months ago.  The label simply reads 'Confuser' and
 bears the names Tobias  Marco.  For the longest time I had no inkling as
to
 what the origin of this album truly was.  As serendipity would have it, I
 was mindlessly leafing through an old issue of URB the other night, and
lo
 and behold I see the name Confuser 1 in the reviews section.  (If I
remember
 correctly, the guest columnist was Regis.)  From what I gathered the
artists
 responsible were none other than Tobias Schmidt and Marco Carola.  Is
this
 correct?  The tracks are amalgamations of samples from classic house and
 techno tracks.  Am I way off base here?  Now, was this a one shot deal,
or
 the beginning of a continued series?  And is Confuser simply a project
name
 or a label spinoff?  Thanks in advance for the inside scoop.
 
   Rusty
 
 
 
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Re: [313] confused about confuser

2002-08-15 Thread :P
to keep perspective, you must consider that, to some, a lack of tangible
emotion in a track will instill a feeling of minimalizm or desolation.

reminds me of the ride from east side to southfield on i-75

:)


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From: henrique casanova [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [313] confused about confuser


 nothing wrong with loops (minimal nation is maybe my favorite release
ever).
 but what people name detroit techno have something more then the loops,
 when it is loopy. a detroit techno song must have 3 things in my opinion:
 minimalism, seriousity (does this word existis? hehe) and feeling. i can
 find no feeling or seriousity in those tech-house tracks that are made
to
 be spined only, with apelative vocal samples working as the main chord.
even
 when there are some interesting efects.

 take care you all.  henrique.
 - Original Message -
 From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Wibo Lammerts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 'Sean Creen' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rusty Blasco
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 11:57 AM
 Subject: Re: [313] confused about confuser


  What is G-Tech?
  I've noticed that 313 seems to be a lot more on the house vibe these
days.
  And everybody hates loops now.
  I personally don't see what's offensive about a bunch of nice minimal
 loops.
  (Of course some techno DJs are boring I agree...)
 
  /dave.cyborg_k
 
 
 
  Wibo Lammerts wrote:
 
  Shit, u telling me that this IS NOT G-tech?
  
  faaack!
  
  w
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Sean Creen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: donderdag 15 augustus 2002 15:04
  To: Rusty Blasco; 313@hyperreal.org
  Subject: RE: [313] confused about confuser
  
  
  Did I die and get sent to G-tech?
  
  ;-)
  
  Sean.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Rusty Blasco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 15 August 2002 13:56
  To: 313@hyperreal.org
  Subject: [313] confused about confuser
  
  
  Hello all.  I have a certain question concerning a certain record I
  purchased a couple of months ago.  The label simply reads 'Confuser'
and
  bears the names Tobias  Marco.  For the longest time I had no inkling
as
 to
  what the origin of this album truly was.  As serendipity would have it,
I
  was mindlessly leafing through an old issue of URB the other night, and
 lo
  and behold I see the name Confuser 1 in the reviews section.  (If I
 remember
  correctly, the guest columnist was Regis.)  From what I gathered the
 artists
  responsible were none other than Tobias Schmidt and Marco Carola.  Is
 this
  correct?  The tracks are amalgamations of samples from classic house
and
  techno tracks.  Am I way off base here?  Now, was this a one shot deal,
 or
  the beginning of a continued series?  And is Confuser simply a project
 name
  or a label spinoff?  Thanks in advance for the inside scoop.
  
Rusty
  
  
  
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RE: [313] confused about confuser

2002-08-15 Thread Rusty Blasco
So I take it from this line of responses (well, only two) that I'm not to 
get an answer to my inquiry.  Is it now anathema to mention Italian 
DJ/producers or persons who didn't personally know Ken Collier?


Maybe I'm just out of the loop, for I had never heard of G-Tech until this 
very moment.  I know nothing about it.


Rusty



From: Wibo Lammerts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Sean Creen' [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rusty Blasco 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org

Subject: RE: [313] confused about confuser
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:08:01 +0200

Shit, u telling me that this IS NOT G-tech?

faaack!

w

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From: Sean Creen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 15 augustus 2002 15:04
To: Rusty Blasco; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] confused about confuser


Did I die and get sent to G-tech?

;-)

Sean.

-Original Message-
From: Rusty Blasco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 August 2002 13:56
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] confused about confuser


Hello all.  I have a certain question concerning a certain record I
purchased a couple of months ago.  The label simply reads 'Confuser' and
bears the names Tobias  Marco.  For the longest time I had no inkling as 
to

what the origin of this album truly was.  As serendipity would have it, I
was mindlessly leafing through an old issue of URB the other night, and lo
and behold I see the name Confuser 1 in the reviews section.  (If I 
remember
correctly, the guest columnist was Regis.)  From what I gathered the 
artists

responsible were none other than Tobias Schmidt and Marco Carola.  Is this
correct?  The tracks are amalgamations of samples from classic house and
techno tracks.  Am I way off base here?  Now, was this a one shot deal, or
the beginning of a continued series?  And is Confuser simply a project name
or a label spinoff?  Thanks in advance for the inside scoop.

  Rusty



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RE: [313] confused about confuser

2002-08-15 Thread Darren Longton (Merch)
I'm assuming they're referring to Ghetto Tech or Botty music.  ie. Dj Assault

...is that what you wanted to know?

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Subject: RE: [313] confused about confuser


So I take it from this line of responses (well, only two) that I'm not to 
get an answer to my inquiry.  Is it now anathema to mention Italian 
DJ/producers or persons who didn't personally know Ken Collier?

Maybe I'm just out of the loop, for I had never heard of G-Tech until this 
very moment.  I know nothing about it.

 Rusty


From: Wibo Lammerts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Sean Creen' [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rusty Blasco 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] confused about confuser
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:08:01 +0200

Shit, u telling me that this IS NOT G-tech?

faaack!

w

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From: Sean Creen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 15 augustus 2002 15:04
To: Rusty Blasco; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] confused about confuser


Did I die and get sent to G-tech?

;-)

Sean.

-Original Message-
From: Rusty Blasco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 August 2002 13:56
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] confused about confuser


Hello all.  I have a certain question concerning a certain record I
purchased a couple of months ago.  The label simply reads 'Confuser' and
bears the names Tobias  Marco.  For the longest time I had no inkling as 
to
what the origin of this album truly was.  As serendipity would have it, I
was mindlessly leafing through an old issue of URB the other night, and lo
and behold I see the name Confuser 1 in the reviews section.  (If I 
remember
correctly, the guest columnist was Regis.)  From what I gathered the 
artists
responsible were none other than Tobias Schmidt and Marco Carola.  Is this
correct?  The tracks are amalgamations of samples from classic house and
techno tracks.  Am I way off base here?  Now, was this a one shot deal, or
the beginning of a continued series?  And is Confuser simply a project name
or a label spinoff?  Thanks in advance for the inside scoop.

   Rusty



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RE: [313] confused about confuser

2002-08-15 Thread Darren Longton (Merch)
Make that Booty Music...not botty

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I'm assuming they're referring to Ghetto Tech or Botty music.  ie. Dj Assault

...is that what you wanted to know?

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Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 12:33 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: [313] confused about confuser


So I take it from this line of responses (well, only two) that I'm not to 
get an answer to my inquiry.  Is it now anathema to mention Italian 
DJ/producers or persons who didn't personally know Ken Collier?

Maybe I'm just out of the loop, for I had never heard of G-Tech until this 
very moment.  I know nothing about it.

 Rusty


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To: 'Sean Creen' [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rusty Blasco 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] confused about confuser
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:08:01 +0200

Shit, u telling me that this IS NOT G-tech?

faaack!

w

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From: Sean Creen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 15 augustus 2002 15:04
To: Rusty Blasco; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] confused about confuser


Did I die and get sent to G-tech?

;-)

Sean.

-Original Message-
From: Rusty Blasco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 August 2002 13:56
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] confused about confuser


Hello all.  I have a certain question concerning a certain record I
purchased a couple of months ago.  The label simply reads 'Confuser' and
bears the names Tobias  Marco.  For the longest time I had no inkling as 
to
what the origin of this album truly was.  As serendipity would have it, I
was mindlessly leafing through an old issue of URB the other night, and lo
and behold I see the name Confuser 1 in the reviews section.  (If I 
remember
correctly, the guest columnist was Regis.)  From what I gathered the 
artists
responsible were none other than Tobias Schmidt and Marco Carola.  Is this
correct?  The tracks are amalgamations of samples from classic house and
techno tracks.  Am I way off base here?  Now, was this a one shot deal, or
the beginning of a continued series?  And is Confuser simply a project name
or a label spinoff?  Thanks in advance for the inside scoop.

   Rusty



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Re: [313] confused about confuser

2002-08-15 Thread robin pinning

 What is G-Tech?
 I've noticed that 313 seems to be a lot more on the house vibe these days.
 And everybody hates loops now.
 I personally don't see what's offensive about a bunch of nice minimal loops.
 (Of course some techno DJs are boring I agree...)

i think to make the most of 'looped bangers' you have to have three decks
and skills to match (a feel for what frequencies you should be using etc
etc for a start)not all techno DJs have these skills and just play
3mins of looped banging and then a quick 8bar mix and another loop record,
this is why looped records have a bad name imo

robin...


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RE: [313] confused about confuser

2002-08-15 Thread robin pinning

 Make that Booty Music...not botty

nice typo

the gtech list is short for global-techno, someonje posted the subscribe
web page in an earlier postingi'll repeat if necessary

robin...


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Re: [313] confused about confuser

2002-08-15 Thread David Powers

Well, I'd say I somewhat agree, although not totally.

1.  I think it can be done on two decks... but the mixing has to be 
pretty quick certainly.  Not letting records just play out but really 
mixing and playing around with them.
2.  Not all looped bangers are equally interesting!  Some records may be 
looped but, have, say, a bassline that is just sick.  Or just one little 
thing, such as a string part, that fades in slowly and gives it that 
certain feeling.  I tend to look for records that are certainly mostly 
looped bangers but have that one thing that makes them dramatic and 
memorable in some way.
3.  There are a lot of different textures within minimal techno and 
banging drumtrax records.  To me a big problem with boring techno sets 
is often that they display no variation in the overall texture as they 
progress.  To me things should move in a gradual way to different 
places.  I notice with the overabundance of tribal tracks that the all 
tribal texture can definitely get boring if not mixed with other flavors.
4.  There is a way to mix in more minimal records which makes them seem 
more dramatic, good DJs do this.  Of course working the FX well helps on 
this too.


just some comments, I think this is pretty 313 relevant since Detroit 
has its own share of this techno!  
/dave.cyborg_k



robin pinning wrote:



i think to make the most of 'looped bangers' you have to have three decks
and skills to match (a feel for what frequencies you should be using etc
etc for a start)not all techno DJs have these skills and just play
3mins of looped banging and then a quick 8bar mix and another loop record,
this is why looped records have a bad name imo

robin...





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