Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Looks like part of the confusion is just the website's design, to me! The "library" seems to be more of a general collection of techno history (with some Black perspectives, some not), but "writings from a [B]lack perspective" appears at the top of every page since it's the site name? (The "blog" seems to be much more about Black perspectives than just the list of techno-centric writing, IMO) On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke wrote: > > Dweller Electronics > > writings from a black perspective > > Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews and > documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into this > library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. > > It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and > “Audio/Visual”. > > https://dwellerforever.blog/library >
Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
I'm really looking forward to checking out those links from the first two emails. Thanks to Andrew and Denise for sharing. Are there any particular favourites from those who have got into them? Sjoerd it seems absolutely WILD to me that you can ostensibly say 'keep politics out of dance music' (I quote "The last time I've seen talk about techno music .. well, I can't remember the last time (techno) music", "Social Justice Bandwagon"). You also speak about racism against white people because someone said "whitesplaining" - really, now, at a time LIKE THIS you're making that an issue?! You then sign out "Stay UR", pf. It looks a certain way. I feel somewhat uneasy that, on a Detroit Techno list, people are more willing to chip on Denise's tone. It would probably be better if people managed to find Denise's well meaning posts less offensive, or simply ignored them. There are certainly those who find offense way beyond measure. Then the flame war starts. Every time one of these arguments breaks out the blame is laid by many at her door, often unfairly. These arguments take up way too much space on the list. There is little good will between the main participants. Subscribers leave. I'm not really sure if I have much more to add, that's how it looks to me, and I would prefer if my minimal list contributions were not exclusively for the flame war. If it continues please can we maintain perspective: there are many more important things going on at the moment. Black Lives Matter, Reuben On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 00:07, John Sokolowski wrote: > >And about that Techno music.. here's some sweet tunes: > > Your descriptions of those tracks sound great. Will check. > > >... I like listening to new, good techno music. Don't we all? > > The new Moodymann album is excellent IMHO. His best full length in a > looong time. > > Also been digging almost everything on Exalt Records as of late. > > W1b0’s new EP Heretofore arrived today and it also very, very good. Plus > is it is on red marbled wax with Star Wars Death Troopers on the labels! > Death Troopers! So sick. ;)
Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
>And about that Techno music.. here's some sweet tunes: Your descriptions of those tracks sound great. Will check. >... I like listening to new, good techno music. Don't we all? The new Moodymann album is excellent IMHO. His best full length in a looong time. Also been digging almost everything on Exalt Records as of late. W1b0’s new EP Heretofore arrived today and it also very, very good. Plus is it is on red marbled wax with Star Wars Death Troopers on the labels! Death Troopers! So sick. ;)
Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
@Denise no, i haven't read your work; your disseration is not why I signed up for this list. I just read and see how your occasional tantrums on this list are rarely about music and are mostly about what *you* did and your need to best anyone on every subject (a common occurence of people with a Ph. D.). You add drama in every conversation on here and frankly, I'm fucking done with this asinine bullshit behaviour. It's not why I'm on here; I want to read this and enjoy the contributions of people, either it being about techno or techno related stuff. @Holly did you really just hurl "whitesplaining" at me? Can I explain to you how that's racist, or would I be 'whitesplaining' again? Seriously though; Music is a language and the producers of Techno tell their story through that. If they'd, or anyone else, feel the need to write words on it, then they will. But they don't, because they just want to make the BOOM BOOM BOOM instead of all this YAP YAP YAP. For both Denise & Holly; if you want to discuss this further, let's take it to a private place. @Kent I don't like bringing this up, but this is THE mailinglist for Detroit Techno music, right? The last time I've seen talk about techno music .. well, I can't remember the last time (techno) music was discussed and it bugs me because I like listening to new, good techno music. Don't we all? And about that Techno music.. here's some sweet tunes: *Sansibar - Meri * A producer from Finland who was born somewhere in Africa. Dreamy, lush pads and bleeps over a solid deep, driving bass and drum foundation. *Earth to Mickey - Brace & Bit * Hi-energy, funky italo-discoesque track with good synth work and some good vocals that come with it *The Advent - Vast* This is one of those space pod tracks, where you just feel like gliding and bobbing down the highway of some metallic futureland. Great connector track to continue unleashing the fury in your DJ set *Muzz - Bizarre Love Pentangle* Something I spotted while listening to SomaFM. A real nice blend of soul/jazz with a twist of electronics. Nice calming down in these strange, trying times. Stay UR and hopefully we'll meet on a dancefloor one day
Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Have you read my dissertation? Your suggestion makes no sense. Did you know Portia Maultsby was my teacher? Have you seen that chart of Black music genres floating around IG and FB? She made that. That’s part of her life’s work. And now, since I got to help her with it in graduate school, I get to help her update it professionally. So, s. Do you not live in the United States? Do you not understand what is changing here in the United States? Stop embarrassing yourself. And why didn’t you get mad at Andrew Duke for sharing it? Denise Dalphond On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 5:24 AM Sjoerd wrote: > Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? For > the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common ground in the > beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division between people by > this racebaiting. > > I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or White > skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the message is > T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of life. > > Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the subject of > Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and effort to collect > them all. Seriously, the further we move forward in time, the more I > realize that the future about this technological dystopia was already > written way back in the 80's, with the origins of Techno in the Motorcity. > > On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond > wrote: > >> A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do they >> mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult website: >> https://dancecult-research.net/references/ >> >> Denise >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke < >> andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dweller Electronics >>> >>> writings from a black perspective >>> >>> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews >>> and documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into >>> this library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. >>> >>> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and >>> “Audio/Visual”. >>> >>> https://dwellerforever.blog/library >>> >>> -- Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. ethnomusicologist schoolcraftwax.work
Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
Denise, is there any Social Justice Bandwagon you will not jump on? For the love of the 808, please refrain from this and find common ground in the beauty of this music instead of trying to sow division between people by this racebaiting. I think few people care if the writer of the article has a Black or White skin colour, since what matters is the message, and the message is T-E-C-H-N-O and Unity between people from all walks of life. Andrew, thanks for posting this. A lot has been written on the subject of Detroit Techno and I appreciate someone took the time and effort to collect them all. Seriously, the further we move forward in time, the more I realize that the future about this technological dystopia was already written way back in the 80's, with the origins of Techno in the Motorcity. On Mon, 22 Jun 2020 at 16:11, Denise Dalphond wrote: > A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do they > mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult website: > https://dancecult-research.net/references/ > > Denise > > > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke > wrote: > >> Dweller Electronics >> >> writings from a black perspective >> >> Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews >> and documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into >> this library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. >> >> It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and >> “Audio/Visual”. >> >> https://dwellerforever.blog/library >> >>
Re: Techno links from a Black perspective (fixed)
A majority of those articles and books are by white people. What do they mean by Black perspective. You could also go to the Dancecult website: https://dancecult-research.net/references/ Denise On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 9:53 AM Andrew Duke wrote: > Dweller Electronics > > writings from a black perspective > > Our co-editor Ryan Clarke has researched a list of articles, interviews > and documentaries about techno and its history. We have compiled it into > this library that will be updated as we find more relevant work. > > It is organized by date and divided into two lists “Reading” and > “Audio/Visual”. > > https://dwellerforever.blog/library > >
