Re: 4D v11 on Windows Server 2016 (Win 10 Clients)

[Robert ListMail via 4D_Tech]

Tim, you have an amazing memory. I imagine a 4D trivia game where you walk away 
with the biggest trophy—thanks!

Robert

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> On Jul 26, 2018, at 8:46 PM, Tim Nevels via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> This is a known issue. Trying to print with Windows 8 and later results in 
> text being the wrong size. Very tiny. The fix is to upgrade to at least 4D 
> v13. Then printing returns to the way it was with v11. Text is the correct 
> size. 
> 
> Tim

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Re: v17 PDF-Manuals

[Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech]

Sorry that I comment on your thread. I didn’t see the Jorg only sign.


> On Jul 27, 2018, at 3:23 PM, Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Jody,
> 
>> On 27 Jul 2018, at 23:32 AEST, Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I am good with the HTML pages.
> 
> Good for you.
> 
> Everyone is different!
> 
> I demand PDF-manuals!
> 
> HTML is a fu piece of sh** local and online.
> 
> 
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Re: Special characters in ftp filenames

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

as a stopgap measure you could try:

https://github.com/miyako/4d-plugin-curl-ftp

> 2018/07/27 20:21、Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> のメール：
> 250-Bay Bulls 2-Gatherall’s Puffin & Whale Watch Cruise.jpg.
> instead of
> 250-Bay Bulls 2-Gatherall's Puffin & Whale Watch Cruise.jpg.
> How to deal with this?




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Re: Assistance Needed

[Robert McKeever via 4D_Tech]

Yep, the 4D 2003 Developer license activated 4D Insider. That license email was 
from June 10, 2004. I never throw them away. Good thing.

> On Jul 27, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Robert McKeever via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> I emailed him yesterday. 
> 
> His immediate response:
> 
> I just checked with support and none of us can recall that a separate license 
> was required for 4D Insider. Not that it wasn't – but I can't find one 
> anywhere. Are you sure you're using 4D 2003 Developer Edition? 
> 
> I found the serial for the developer edition as well, so I might try that and 
> see what happens.
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2018, at 11:00 AM, Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If you are a partner call your sales person
>> 
>> Regards
>> Chuck
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2018, at 1:14 PM, Robert McKeever via 4D_Tech 
>>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A client wants his ancient (4D 2003) database upgraded to 4D v16.
>>> 
>>> I have the source, and a 10.6.8 environment under Parallels, and I found my 
>>> old 2003 serial number, and it runs with 4D 2003.
>>> 
>>> It won’t convert as the source has components. So, I found my 4D Insider. 
>>> But it needs an ID (from the card in the disc case), which has been lost 
>>> over the years. and the old 10.6.8 machine suffered a drive failure and is 
>>> no more.
>>> 
>>> So, if someone could either pass me an ID or offer to remove the 
>>> components, I would be ever so grateful.
>>> 
>>> _
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>>> Port Coquitlam, B.C.
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Re: v17 PDF-Manuals

[Jörg Knebel via 4D_Tech]

Jody,

> On 27 Jul 2018, at 23:32 AEST, Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com 
> > wrote:
> 
> I am good with the HTML pages.

Good for you.

Everyone is different!

I demand PDF-manuals!

HTML is a fu piece of sh** local and online.


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Re: First ORDA runtime error - just like SQL

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Jeff,
You know - something wrong. ;-/

Maybe a control char? Chars outside of regular ascii? If it's possible this
value could have been pasted in from some external text it might have some
wonky char in it that looked pretty but chokes here. It's happened to me.
May be impossible there. Agreed it's really annoying.

The fact it's so intermittent suggests to me there's something in the data
rather than the code. But maybe I've got more crappy data than you do...

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 11:52 AM Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> What would you check for? $1 is a text so it will either have a value or
> be an empty string -- both of which can be queried for.  And testing the
> length of the entity selection prior to trying to access the first()
> element prevents another runtime error if the query returned nothing.

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Re: First ORDA runtime error - just like SQL

[John DeSoi via 4D_Tech]

> On Jul 27, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> It's also annoying that an error handler is running, yet a runtime error 
> appears instead of calling the error method. Also the lack of a call chain 
> makes this really hard to track down.

So. Incredibly. Annoying. I'm not aware of any other server product that stops 
a process and shows an end user error dialog for a database server or web 
server.

John DeSoi, Ph.D.

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Re: First ORDA runtime error - just like SQL

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

What would you check for? $1 is a text so it will either have a value or be an 
empty string -- both of which can be queried for.  And testing the length of 
the entity selection prior to trying to access the first() element prevents 
another runtime error if the query returned nothing.

It's also annoying that an error handler is running, yet a runtime error 
appears instead of calling the error method. Also the lack of a call chain 
makes this really hard to track down.

It failed once in two days (this is a "workhorse" method that gets called all 
the time).  The old Begin SQL/End SQL version never failed as far as I know.

> On Jul 27, 2018, at 2:42 PM, Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'd add a check to the item ID string. ORDA is excruciatingly picky in
> terms of inputs. I bet something is not completely kosher in an item id and
> that's causing the RT error.
> 
> Alternatively you could loop through the list of items and check the id
> there. But if the param is generated or user entered I'd look at that
> first.

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Re: First ORDA runtime error - just like SQL

[Kirk Brooks via 4D_Tech]

Randy,
I'd add a check to the item ID string. ORDA is excruciatingly picky in
terms of inputs. I bet something is not completely kosher in an item id and
that's causing the RT error.

Alternatively you could loop through the list of items and check the id
there. But if the param is generated or user entered I'd look at that
first.

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 7:28 AM Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> The code:
>
> C_TEXT($0;$tManufacturer)
> C_TEXT($1;$tItemID)
> $tItemID:=$1
> $tManufacturer:=""
>

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Re: Assistance Needed

[Robert McKeever via 4D_Tech]

I emailed him yesterday. 

His immediate response:

I just checked with support and none of us can recall that a separate license 
was required for 4D Insider. Not that it wasn't – but I can't find one 
anywhere. Are you sure you're using 4D 2003 Developer Edition? 

I found the serial for the developer edition as well, so I might try that and 
see what happens.

> On Jul 27, 2018, at 11:00 AM, Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> If you are a partner call your sales person
> 
> Regards
> Chuck
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2018, at 1:14 PM, Robert McKeever via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>> 
>> A client wants his ancient (4D 2003) database upgraded to 4D v16.
>> 
>> I have the source, and a 10.6.8 environment under Parallels, and I found my 
>> old 2003 serial number, and it runs with 4D 2003.
>> 
>> It won’t convert as the source has components. So, I found my 4D Insider. 
>> But it needs an ID (from the card in the disc case), which has been lost 
>> over the years. and the old 10.6.8 machine suffered a drive failure and is 
>> no more.
>> 
>> So, if someone could either pass me an ID or offer to remove the components, 
>> I would be ever so grateful.
>> 
>> _
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>> McKeever's Software Wizardry
>> Port Coquitlam, B.C.
>> bobmckee...@mac.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Assistance Needed

[Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech]

If you are a partner call your sales person

Regards
Chuck

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2018, at 1:14 PM, Robert McKeever via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> A client wants his ancient (4D 2003) database upgraded to 4D v16.
> 
> I have the source, and a 10.6.8 environment under Parallels, and I found my 
> old 2003 serial number, and it runs with 4D 2003.
> 
> It won’t convert as the source has components. So, I found my 4D Insider. But 
> it needs an ID (from the card in the disc case), which has been lost over the 
> years. and the old 10.6.8 machine suffered a drive failure and is no more.
> 
> So, if someone could either pass me an ID or offer to remove the components, 
> I would be ever so grateful.
> 
> _
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> Port Coquitlam, B.C.
> bobmckee...@mac.com
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Assistance Needed

[Robert McKeever via 4D_Tech]

A client wants his ancient (4D 2003) database upgraded to 4D v16.

I have the source, and a 10.6.8 environment under Parallels, and I found my old 
2003 serial number, and it runs with 4D 2003.

It won’t convert as the source has components. So, I found my 4D Insider. But 
it needs an ID (from the card in the disc case), which has been lost over the 
years. and the old 10.6.8 machine suffered a drive failure and is no more.

So, if someone could either pass me an ID or offer to remove the components, I 
would be ever so grateful.

_
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Re: v13 - debugger, not keeping window settings

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

Thanks!

On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 08:47:25 -0700, Douglas von Roeder wrote:
> Chip:
> 
> I keep a little text document "4D Text File Locations" with pertinent file
> paths. V13 is pretty "stable" in terms of not munging window settings in
> design mode. V15 is certainly not as reliable, in my experience.
> 
> Debugger Window Settings (and others)
> c:\Users\dvonroeder\Application Data\4D\4D Preferences v13.4DPreferences
> 
> And for those munged preview pane settings in V15:
> C:\Users\Doug\Application Data\4D\4D Window Bounds
> v15\development\[projectForm]
> Change "explo_preview"
> 
> --
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> 949-336-2902
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 8:37 AM Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
>> I generally use only the expression pane of the debugger, with an
>> occasional peek into the call chain.
>> 
>> To this end I slide the expression value pane closed, and the call
>> chain closed.
>> recently the debugger has been opening with all the panes set to
>> default views.
>> 
>> What (files) do I need to replace/remove?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Chip
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Re: Memory leak with dynamic variables in list boxes?

[Keith Culotta via 4D_Tech]

Would something like this help...

ARRAY REAL(aFoot;0)  // Use this array to give each column a unique REAL footer 
var

 in the loop 
Append To Array(aFoot;0)
LISTBOX INSERT 
COLUMN(*;$lbName;$i;"C"+$iStr;$nilPtr;"H"+$iStr;$nilPtr;"Foot"+$iStr;aFoot{Size 
of array(aFoot)}) 
 in the loop 

Keith - CDI

> On Jul 27, 2018, at 10:35 AM, mferguson--- via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thank you for all your responses. I just need to get past this final road 
> block.
> 
> I have gotten dynamic variables to work on headers and footers with the 
> exception of the LISTBOX SET FOOTER CALCULATION.
> 
> Miyako pointed out that the default type for footers is text, and to change 
> it I have to use VARIABLE TO VARIABLE.
> 
> The documentation, in connection with retyping dynamic variables, describes 
> this as 
> if(form event=on load)
> 
> c_text($Init)
> $Ptr_Object:=OBJECT GET POINTER(Object named;”Comments”)
> $init:=””
> VARIABLE TO VARIABLE($Ptr_Object->; init)
> 
> end if
> 
> The documentation also says the dynamic variable can be subsequently be 
> referred to in the manner
> 
> $p:=object get pointer(object named;”start”)
> $p:=?12:00:00?
> 
> I am using an EMPTY current selection listbox on load, footers enabled, with 
> columns being assigned in a loop for the number of columns, using INSERT 
> LISTBOX COLUMN. The example above seems to presume that the column is already 
> assigned in the listbox, but modeling after the above within the loop:
> if(column = the one I want a footer total for)
> c_longint($Init)
> $Ptr_Object:=OBJECT GET POINTER(Object named;”Invoice Amount”)
> $init:=””
> VARIABLE TO VARIABLE($Ptr_Object->; init)
> 
> end if
> 
> This is in client server mode.
> 
> Please verify that the object should be the column name used in INSERT 
> LISTBOX COLUMN, or alternatively, the footer column name.
> 
> I have tried this with getting a pointer to the footer column name used in 
> INSERT LISTBOX COLUMN, and using the dynamically assigned footer name 
> retrieved with GET LISTBOX ARRAYS.
> 
> I get error 54.
> 
> Once I get by this problem I should be able to use
> 
> LISTBOX SET FOOTER CALCULATION(*;XXX;listbox footer sum)
> 
> where XXX is either the footer object name submitted with INSERT LISTBOX 
> COLUMN, or the dynamic footer name retrieved with GET LISTBOX ARRAYS. I don’t 
> know which.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2018, at 4:30 PM, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
>> 
>> dynamic variables create for footers are typed as text by default.
>> 
>> you need to change it to numeric by replacing it using VARIABLE TO VARIABLE.
>> 
>> 2018/07/27 7:34、mferguson--- via 4D_Tech 
>> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:
>> Seems like it should be simple, but I’m missing something.
>> 
>> 
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Re: v13 - debugger, not keeping window settings

[Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech]

Steve:

Looks for the "Save" icon to the right on the button bar. It's the floppy
disk looking icon.

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On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 8:39 AM Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Chip,
>
> I thought there was something like a "Save" button on the debugger
> screen?  Have you tried clicking that after you make your adjustments?
>
>
> Steve
>
> -Original Message-
> From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] On Behalf Of Chip
> Scheide via 4D_Tech
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 10:37 AM
> To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> Cc: Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org>
> Subject: v13 - debugger, not keeping window settings
>
> I generally use only the expression pane of the debugger, with an
> occasional peek into the call chain.
>
> To this end I slide the expression value pane closed, and the call
> chain closed.
> recently the debugger has been opening with all the panes set to
> default views.
>
> What (files) do I need to replace/remove?
>
> Thanks
> Chip
>
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Re: v13 - debugger, not keeping window settings

[Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech]

Chip:

I keep a little text document "4D Text File Locations" with pertinent file
paths. V13 is pretty "stable" in terms of not munging window settings in
design mode. V15 is certainly not as reliable, in my experience.

Debugger Window Settings (and others)
c:\Users\dvonroeder\Application Data\4D\4D Preferences v13.4DPreferences

And for those munged preview pane settings in V15:
C:\Users\Doug\Application Data\4D\4D Window Bounds
v15\development\[projectForm]
Change "explo_preview"

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On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 8:37 AM Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> I generally use only the expression pane of the debugger, with an
> occasional peek into the call chain.
>
> To this end I slide the expression value pane closed, and the call
> chain closed.
> recently the debugger has been opening with all the panes set to
> default views.
>
> What (files) do I need to replace/remove?
>
> Thanks
> Chip
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RE: v13 - debugger, not keeping window settings

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

yes - the save button is supposed to save these settings (or at least 
it did),
the save button will save the various expressions, but is not saving 
the window pane state - for some reason



On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 10:39:45 -0500, Stephen J. Orth wrote:
> Chip,
> 
> I thought there was something like a "Save" button on the debugger 
> screen?  Have you tried clicking that after you make your adjustments?
> 
> 
> Steve
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] On Behalf Of Chip 
> Scheide via 4D_Tech
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 10:37 AM
> To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
> Cc: Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org>
> Subject: v13 - debugger, not keeping window settings
> 
> I generally use only the expression pane of the debugger, with an 
> occasional peek into the call chain.
> 
> To this end I slide the expression value pane closed, and the call 
> chain closed.
> recently the debugger has been opening with all the panes set to 
> default views.
> 
> What (files) do I need to replace/remove?
> 
> Thanks
> Chip
> 
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RE: v13 - debugger, not keeping window settings

[Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech]

Chip,

I thought there was something like a "Save" button on the debugger screen?  
Have you tried clicking that after you make your adjustments?


Steve

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via 4D_Tech
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 10:37 AM
To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Cc: Chip Scheide <4d_o...@pghrepository.org>
Subject: v13 - debugger, not keeping window settings

I generally use only the expression pane of the debugger, with an 
occasional peek into the call chain.

To this end I slide the expression value pane closed, and the call 
chain closed.
recently the debugger has been opening with all the panes set to 
default views.

What (files) do I need to replace/remove?

Thanks
Chip

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v13 - debugger, not keeping window settings

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

I generally use only the expression pane of the debugger, with an 
occasional peek into the call chain.

To this end I slide the expression value pane closed, and the call 
chain closed.
recently the debugger has been opening with all the panes set to 
default views.

What (files) do I need to replace/remove?

Thanks
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Re: Memory leak with dynamic variables in list boxes?

[mferguson--- via 4D_Tech]

Hi,

Thank you for all your responses. I just need to get past this final road block.

I have gotten dynamic variables to work on headers and footers with the 
exception of the LISTBOX SET FOOTER CALCULATION.

Miyako pointed out that the default type for footers is text, and to change it 
I have to use VARIABLE TO VARIABLE.

The documentation, in connection with retyping dynamic variables, describes 
this as 
if(form event=on load)

c_text($Init)
$Ptr_Object:=OBJECT GET POINTER(Object named;”Comments”)
$init:=””
VARIABLE TO VARIABLE($Ptr_Object->; init)

end if

The documentation also says the dynamic variable can be subsequently be 
referred to in the manner

$p:=object get pointer(object named;”start”)
$p:=?12:00:00?

I am using an EMPTY current selection listbox on load, footers enabled, with 
columns being assigned in a loop for the number of columns, using INSERT 
LISTBOX COLUMN. The example above seems to presume that the column is already 
assigned in the listbox, but modeling after the above within the loop:
if(column = the one I want a footer total for)
c_longint($Init)
$Ptr_Object:=OBJECT GET POINTER(Object named;”Invoice Amount”)
$init:=””
VARIABLE TO VARIABLE($Ptr_Object->; init)

end if

This is in client server mode.

Please verify that the object should be the column name used in INSERT LISTBOX 
COLUMN, or alternatively, the footer column name.

I have tried this with getting a pointer to the footer column name used in 
INSERT LISTBOX COLUMN, and using the dynamically assigned footer name retrieved 
with GET LISTBOX ARRAYS.

I get error 54.

Once I get by this problem I should be able to use

LISTBOX SET FOOTER CALCULATION(*;XXX;listbox footer sum)

where XXX is either the footer object name submitted with INSERT LISTBOX 
COLUMN, or the dynamic footer name retrieved with GET LISTBOX ARRAYS. I don’t 
know which.

Thanks,

Michael



> On Jul 26, 2018, at 4:30 PM, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> dynamic variables create for footers are typed as text by default.
> 
> you need to change it to numeric by replacing it using VARIABLE TO VARIABLE.
> 
> 2018/07/27 7:34、mferguson--- via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>のメール:
> Seems like it should be simple, but I’m missing something.
> 
> 
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RE: picture of a form

[Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech]

Doug,

I've considered this many times, but have had a couple friends have this go 
seriously wrong.  At this point I'm just too gun-shy because if I had to lose 
any sense I would not want it to be my sight.

I'd rather lose my hearing, then I wouldn't have to listen to all the 
complainers!   ;-)


Steve


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Roeder via 4D_Tech
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 10:16 AM
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Cc: Douglas von Roeder 
Subject: Re: picture of a form

LASIK  :-)
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Re: picture of a form

[Douglas von Roeder via 4D_Tech]

LASIK  :-)
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On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 8:15 AM Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech <
4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:

> Sadly…that happened to me a couple weeks ago. Thankfully it was only the
> family, but our 20 year old son has latched onto it as never-ending source
> of personal glee.
>
> I’m going through is childhood photos looking for some ammunition of my
> own. :-)
>
> Randy
>
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>
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> PrintPoint, Inc • 57 Ludlow Lane • Palisades, NY 10964
> Please send all email contacts to supp...@printpoint.com  supp...@printpoint.com>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 27, 2018, at 9:53 AM, Stephen J. Orth <
> s.o...@the-aquila-group.com > wrote:
> >
> > Chip,
> >
> > Not sure about you, but this has happened to me more than once.
> >
> > Completely embarrassing when you do this in front of others.  I'm just so
> > used to having them on my head, you forget they are there.
> >
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Chip Scheide [mailto:4d_o...@pghrepository.org  4d_o...@pghrepository.org>]
> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 8:48 AM
> > To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com  >>
> > Cc: Stephen Orth  s.o...@the-aquila-group.com>>; Randy Jaynes
> > mailto:ra...@printpoint.com>>
> > Subject: Re: picture of a form
> >
> > have you checked on top of your head?
> >
> > :)
> >
> > On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 09:27:02 -0400, Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech wrote:
> >>
> >> Now if only I could remember where my glasses are.
> >>
> > ---
> > Gas is for washing parts
> > Alcohol is for drinkin'
> > Nitromethane is for racing
> >
> >
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Re: picture of a form

[Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech]

Sadly…that happened to me a couple weeks ago. Thankfully it was only the 
family, but our 20 year old son has latched onto it as never-ending source of 
personal glee.

I’m going through is childhood photos looking for some ammunition of my own. :-)

Randy

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> On Jul 27, 2018, at 9:53 AM, Stephen J. Orth  > wrote:
> 
> Chip,
> 
> Not sure about you, but this has happened to me more than once.
> 
> Completely embarrassing when you do this in front of others.  I'm just so
> used to having them on my head, you forget they are there.
> 
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Chip Scheide [mailto:4d_o...@pghrepository.org 
> ] 
> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 8:48 AM
> To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com >
> Cc: Stephen Orth  >; Randy Jaynes
> mailto:ra...@printpoint.com>>
> Subject: Re: picture of a form
> 
> have you checked on top of your head?
> 
> :)
> 
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 09:27:02 -0400, Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech wrote:
>> 
>> Now if only I could remember where my glasses are.
>> 
> ---
> Gas is for washing parts
> Alcohol is for drinkin'
> Nitromethane is for racing 
> 
> 

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Re: Special characters in ftp filenames

[John DeSoi via 4D_Tech]

Options I see are:

1. Report as a bug and hope for a fix. Since it is a beta version, maybe your 
chances are better?

2. Parse the output strings for non-ascii characters and try to correct them. I 
have not tried it, but it might be possible using Convert to text/CONVERT FROM 
TEXT.

3. Use something else. I ended up using CURL to deal with servers were 
FTP_GetDirList did not work correctly.

John DeSoi, Ph.D.

> On Jul 27, 2018, at 6:21 AM, Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> using v17r2:
> 
> I get a list of files in a directory on a remote server with
> *FTP_GetDirList.*
> Then I loop through the list and download each file, if I don't already
> have the latest version of it.
> A problem occurs when a filename contains a character such as a quote mark,
> copyright symbol, etc. Whilst these filenames look correct when viewed via
> an ftp program such as FileZilla, I get an error when trying to download
> them because it doesn't like those codes - e.g.
> 
> 250-Bay Bulls 2-Gatherall’s Puffin & Whale Watch Cruise.jpg.
> 
> instead of
> 250-Bay Bulls 2-Gatherall's Puffin & Whale Watch Cruise.jpg.
> How to deal with this?

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First ORDA runtime error - just like SQL

[Jeffrey Kain via 4D_Tech]

It looks like ORDA may be 99.9% reliable, just like 4D SQL.

I just had my first random, no explanation runtime error from a method I 
converted from SQL to ORDA. The code has been live for a day and a half - looks 
like it failed sometime early in day 2.

The code:

C_TEXT($0;$tManufacturer)
C_TEXT($1;$tItemID)
$tItemID:=$1
$tManufacturer:=""

C_OBJECT($oEntitySelection)

$oEntitySelection:=ds.Inventory.query("ItemID=:1";$tItemID)  <-- runtime error 
occurred here
If ($oEntitySelection.length>=1)
$tManufacturer:=$oEntitySelection.first().Manufacturer
End if 

$0:=$tManufacturer


It failed on the $oEntitySelection:= line with this cryptic message:

Error code: 1806 (dbmg)
URL is not well formed
component 'dbmg'

Error code: 1806 (dbmg)
Error code: 801 (xbox)
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RE: picture of a form

[Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech]

Chip,

Not sure about you, but this has happened to me more than once.

Completely embarrassing when you do this in front of others.  I'm just so
used to having them on my head, you forget they are there.


Steve


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From: Chip Scheide [mailto:4d_o...@pghrepository.org] 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 8:48 AM
To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Cc: Stephen Orth ; Randy Jaynes

Subject: Re: picture of a form

have you checked on top of your head?

:)

On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 09:27:02 -0400, Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech wrote:
> 
> Now if only I could remember where my glasses are.
> 
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Re: picture of a form

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

have you checked on top of your head?

:)

On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 09:27:02 -0400, Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech wrote:
> 
> Now if only I could remember where my glasses are.
> 
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Re: Special characters in ftp filenames

[Chip Scheide via 4D_Tech]

Pat,
i'm not sure about what happens when using FTP, however,
if you can specify the final file name you can/should filter the file 
name to remove the gibberish.

On a Mac there are only a very few characters which are not 'legal', 
Windows on the other hand.. it is probably easier to specify which 
characters ARE legal  :)

if you pull my component Fileutl there is code in there to filter 
filenames, as part of 4D code to manipulate files.  The components are 
v13 built/compiled.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cqcx274fsybxccp/AADi5PXMhpawdCTCzF5sGWvDa?dl=0

Chip

On Fri, 27 Jul 2018 12:21:18 +0100, Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech wrote:
> using v17r2:
> 
> I get a list of files in a directory on a remote server with
> *FTP_GetDirList.*
> Then I loop through the list and download each file, if I don't already
> have the latest version of it.
> A problem occurs when a filename contains a character such as a quote mark,
> copyright symbol, etc. Whilst these filenames look correct when viewed via
> an ftp program such as FileZilla, I get an error when trying to download
> them because it doesn't like those codes - e.g.
> 
> 250-Bay Bulls 2-Gatherall’s Puffin & Whale Watch Cruise.jpg.
> 
> instead of
> 250-Bay Bulls 2-Gatherall's Puffin & Whale Watch Cruise.jpg.
> How to deal with this?
> 
> Thanks
> Pat
> 
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RE: collection.min() Returns Null

[Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech]

Mr. Cannon,

Thanks, it's just weird as it's been happening for several days now, and it
not every message.  Each day it is a selective message the comes in many
times.

I don't get the digest, I receive individual emails.  It almost seems like
one email is getting stuck and Outlook thinks it never downloaded the
message.


Steve

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From: Cannon Smith [mailto:can...@synergyfarmsolutions.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 8:00 AM
To: s.o...@the-aquila-group.com; 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Subject: Re: collection.min() Returns Null

Hi Steve,

FWIW, I'm only getting one copy of each message.

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Re: picture of a form

[Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech]

Yep…Thanks, guys.

Good to know the rocker is still holding me up ok. :-)

Now if only I could remember where my glasses are.

Randy

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> On Jul 26, 2018, at 4:42 PM, Stephen J. Orth  > wrote:
> 
> Randy,
> 
> I think its FORM SCREENSHOT
> 
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Randy Jaynes via 4D_Tech
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 3:38 PM
> To: 4D iNug List <4d_tech@lists.4D.com >
> Cc: Randy Jaynes mailto:ra...@printpoint.com>>
> Subject: picture of a form
> 
> My feeble mind says there is some fairly new command that lets us get a 
> ‘screenshot’ of the current window or form.
> 
> Can’t think of right words to search because I’m not finding anything on KB 
> or searching documentation.
> 
> Am I off my rocker?
> 
> Randy
> 
> --
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> Senior Programmer and Customer Support
> 
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> Palisades, NY 10964 
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Re: collection.min() Returns Null

[Cannon Smith via 4D_Tech]

Hi Steve,

FWIW, I'm only getting one copy of each message.

--
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> On Jul 27, 2018, at 5:51 AM, Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> For the past few days I'm getting multiples of the same message, over and 
> over.  Today I received like 15 copies of this message.  Yesterday it was a 
> response from Jeff Kain.
> 
> Is this happening to anyone else?

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RE: collection.min() Returns Null

[Stephen J. Orth via 4D_Tech]

For the past few days I'm getting multiples of the same message, over and over. 
 Today I received like 15 copies of this message.  Yesterday it was a response 
from Jeff Kain.

Is this happening to anyone else?


Steve

-Original Message-
From: 4D_Tech [mailto:4d_tech-boun...@lists.4d.com] On Behalf Of Cannon Smith 
via 4D_Tech
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 8:12 PM
To: 4D iNug Technical <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
Cc: Cannon Smith 
Subject: Re: collection.min() Returns Null

Hi Miyako,

Perfect! Thanks, that makes sense and works well.

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> On Jul 26, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech 
> <4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
> 
> in your case, you could do something like
> 
> $cTest:=$cTest..filter("remove_null")
> 
> where the project method remove_null is
> 
> C_OBJECT($1)
> 
> $1.result:=($1.value#Null)
> 

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Special characters in ftp filenames

[Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech]

using v17r2:

I get a list of files in a directory on a remote server with
*FTP_GetDirList.*
Then I loop through the list and download each file, if I don't already
have the latest version of it.
A problem occurs when a filename contains a character such as a quote mark,
copyright symbol, etc. Whilst these filenames look correct when viewed via
an ftp program such as FileZilla, I get an error when trying to download
them because it doesn't like those codes - e.g.

250-Bay Bulls 2-Gatherall’s Puffin & Whale Watch Cruise.jpg.

instead of
250-Bay Bulls 2-Gatherall's Puffin & Whale Watch Cruise.jpg.
How to deal with this?

Thanks
Pat

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Re: Objects without Stylesheets suddenly displayed as Wingdings!

[Pat Bensky via 4D_Tech]

What happened to 4DCodeExchange? I see the domain is now up for sale ...

On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 at 22:45, Jody Bevan via 4D_Tech <4d_tech@lists.4d.com>
wrote:

> Chuck:
>
> That sounds like great code module to have in a developer tool kit. If you
> are willing to share, I would appreciate a copy.
>
> Thanks
>
> jody
>
>
> > On Jul 12, 2018, at 8:12 AM, Chuck Miller via 4D_Tech <
> 4d_tech@lists.4d.com> wrote:
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> > I have code that will report on any object on forms with no font or
> style sheets assigned
> > Please advise if you want it
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> > Regards
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> > Chuck
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Re: v17 PDF-Manuals

[Paul Dennis via 4D_Tech]

I couldn't agree more the html files are rubbish, poor navigation page
refresh etc etc. A return to the V11 style formatting and fonts would also
help. I wish designers would understand it its all about ease of use and
readability. 
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Re: Memory leak with dynamic variables in list boxes?

[Keisuke Miyako via 4D_Tech]

the workaround is to have an extra dynamic variable on the form,
type it with VARIABLE TO VARIABLE,
then use it with LISTBOX INSERT COLUMN

http://forums.4d.com/Post/FR/18014516/1/18014517#18014517

granted, you would need as many dynamic variable as the columns you insert.
it's probably easier to use an array instead.

you could go really tricky and use OBJECT DUPLICATE.
but I think an array is more simple.

2018/07/27 14:14、Flury Olivier via 4D_Tech 
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Works interpreted, but not compiled.

  https://flury-software.ch/



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