[9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
(Trolling unintentional) The misspelling of Xerox in Acme has bugged me for a long time. I want to suggest that we change it to Clone. Votes? ++L
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
Just when you thought every bikeshed had been painted... On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: (Trolling unintentional) The misspelling of Xerox in Acme has bugged me for a long time. I want to suggest that we change it to Clone. Votes? ++L
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
Just when you thought every bikeshed had been painted... All bikesheds need to be repainted eventually. ++L
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:28:47PM -0700, John Floren wrote: Just when you thought every bikeshed had been painted... But we don't agree on the colour... -- Thierry Laronde tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com http://www.kergis.com/ Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C
Re: [9fans] formatting the manual from plan9 ports?
Thanks to everyone for the advice. On Tue May 29 23:48:31 EDT 2012, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: short hardcoded paths are an advantage. this is not linux. this is plan9. there are rules. the kernel already provides a way for indirection that works for *everything*. mount/bind and private namespaces. while this is all true, and i agree with you, the problem at hand it to get things formatted on linux. Right. The problem is that Linux already has a /sys directory. Who knows what would break if I mount over that. you won't know if you don't try. :-) chroot yourself or something. or, you can do it in the source pretty easily. awk is the perfect tool for the job. :-) you could change every /sys/... to /9/sys/... - erik
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:28:47PM -0700, John Floren wrote: Just when you thought every bikeshed had been painted... But we don't agree on the colour... That's the thing about the bike shed: choosing a colour must not delay construction. But once it's built and it needs a new coat of paint, it is not unreasonable to discuss the choice of colours. ++L
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
This is a bit silly. Zerox here (in the context of acme/Plan 9) has a well-understood meaning. Obvious etymology aside, it's essentially a made-up word here. It's beneficial that it isn't a false cognate to some action, since the behavior is not obvious a priori (in the normal case of xeroxing or cloning, there's no expectation that the copies stay in sync, as they do here). On May 30, 2012, at 2:30, Lucio De Re lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: (Trolling unintentional) The misspelling of Xerox in Acme has bugged me for a long time. I want to suggest that we change it to Clone. Votes? ++L
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
it isn't a false cognate to some action, since the behavior is not obvious a priori (in the normal case of xeroxing or cloning, there's no expectation that the copies stay in sync, as they do here). I vote for Dup. Or Dop (short for Doppelgänger).
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
Or Dop (short for Doppelgänger). dop. dop! make it stop! i can't not will not have a dop! - erik
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
On 30 May 2012 11:25, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Or Dop (short for Doppelgänger). dop. dop! make it stop! i can't not will not have a dop! - erik copy?
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 May 2012 11:25, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Or Dop (short for Doppelgänger). dop. dop! make it stop! i can't not will not have a dop! - erik copy? That surely won't be confused with the Snarf functionality at all
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
copy? That surely won't be confused with the Snarf functionality at all And on second thought, maybe Dup is a bit too much like Dump ...
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
On 30 May 2012 12:17, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 May 2012 11:25, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Or Dop (short for Doppelgänger). dop. dop! make it stop! i can't not will not have a dop! - erik copy? That surely won't be confused with the Snarf functionality at all Snarf is a dumb name. It isn't well named. tr.v. snarfed, snarf·ing, snarfs Slang To eat or drink rapidly or eagerly; devour: snarfed down some cookies. [Probably sn(ort) + (sc)arf.] Calvin
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
I'd prefer clown, because it reminds me of clone. ;) couldn't resist. On May 30, 2012, at 6:20 PM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: copy? That surely won't be confused with the Snarf functionality at all And on second thought, maybe Dup is a bit too much like Dump ...
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:23:02PM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote: Snarf is a dumb name. It isn't well named. This is because you are probably an english native speaker searching sensibility behind sounds or pictures (written text) that seem familiar to you. For the others---like me---the computer language is something that has not much to do with a lingua and could be almost arbitrary. There are times when being not an english native speaker has advantages... Because all the grammatical mistakes, repeated errors and nonsense uses will spoil your native language and you will have to switch to international english ruled by repeated hence agreed on, hence established errors... And when you will have to say sensible things, you will need to use a sensible language...[Demoniac laugh] -- Thierry Laronde tlaronde +AT+ polynum +dot+ com http://www.kergis.com/ Key fingerprint = 0FF7 E906 FBAF FE95 FD89 250D 52B1 AE95 6006 F40C
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
Snarf is not the same as Zerox. I suggest Xerox. Let them sue. On May 30, 2012, at 9:17 AM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Calvin Morrison mutanttur...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 May 2012 11:25, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Or Dop (short for Doppelgänger). dop. dop! make it stop! i can't not will not have a dop! - erik copy? That surely won't be confused with the Snarf functionality at all
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
alles doofköppe hier? translation: this thread is so dope.
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
ZARDOZ!!! -- cinap
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
On Wed, 30 May 2012 16:20:47 BST Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: it isn't a false cognate to some action, since the behavior is not obvi= ous a priori (in the normal case of xeroxing or cloning, there's no exp= ectation that the copies stay in sync, as they do here). It just opens another window on the same file that starts out showing the same content so none of the names make sense. Seems no one has come up with a good name for this function -- in nvi it is :E and in vim, :split. I'd leave it alone. I used to use Dave Yost's Grand editor (a version of the Rand editor) that allowed scolling windows in X or Y direction in lockstep. Handy for editing tables. You can show the header line or the left most column while editing other rows or columns that would normally not show on the same screen in a single window.
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
I'd leave it alone. This. -sl
[9fans] Heresy alert
I'd vote for spelling it Xerox, on the possibly spurious grounds that a Chinese colleague of mine pronounced it ex-rocks for some time. I still prefer his pronunciation, and have adopted it myself. The initial Z just doesn't work for me.
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert
In honor of plan9s utf imperitive, and after a little g-translate I think your Chinese colleague might prefer 复本 (fu`ben^) .. which .. takes up less screen space and to most new users would be about as eas to integrate mentally ;) On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com wrote: I'd vote for spelling it Xerox, on the possibly spurious grounds that a Chinese colleague of mine pronounced it ex-rocks for some time. I still prefer his pronunciation, and have adopted it myself. The initial Z just doesn't work for me. -- ⎼⎺⎺├@┼␊├├≤-␍⎼␊▒␍:/⎺└␊/⎼⎺#
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert
The curious Z spelling was to avoid using a trademarked word in a generic sense. On 30 May 2012 22:05, Winston Kodogo kod...@gmail.com wrote: The initial Z just doesn't work for me.
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
This is a bit silly. Zerox here (in the context of acme/Plan 9) has a well-understood meaning. Obvious etymology aside, it's essentially a made-up word here. It's beneficial that it isn't a false cognate to some action, since the behavior is not obvious a priori (in the normal case of xeroxing or cloning, there's no expectation that the copies stay in sync, as they do here). Well, there you go, somebody actually is willing to offer a valuable opinion. Thanks, Anthony. ++L
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
On Wed, 30 May 2012 18:42:21 +0200 tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:23:02PM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote: Snarf is a dumb name. It isn't well named. This is because you are probably an english native speaker searching sensibility behind sounds or pictures (written text) that seem familiar to you. For the others---like me---the computer language is something that has not much to do with a lingua and could be almost arbitrary. That's an interesting perspective but as a native English speaker I would disagree about the root of the problem. Snarf bothered my idiotic sense of propriety at first but I didn't have to consciously dissect it to get the meaning. I can make myself understood with slang and somewhat made-up words to most native English speakers whether they're English or American. There are two groups who don't get my natural pattern of speech. One is those who have taken proper English and believed all their lessons, whether they are natives with a social need to be proper or (more commonly) foreigners who have received a proper education in the language. This proper English is not the language of the English people, and I find it remarkable that there is so much so-called improperness in common between Britain and the US after 200 years of separation and 100 years of compulsory schooling. Even English slang has percolated down from the top, from the upper classes I guess, or at least those divorced from their linguistic heritage and subjected to a strict edumacation in ... okay, I won't rant, I really wont, but the old lower-class English used slang a lot like the US. That class of people had almost died out before US slang started filtering back in any substantial way. The other group who don't get it is those who take their slang from Spanish I think, but I'm much less clear on this point. uh.. I just noticed snarf wasn't picked up by my spell checker and isn't in its personal dictionary. Take that as you will. -- This is obviously some strange usage of the word simple that I was previously unaware of.
