Re: [9fans] cpu from one CPU server to another CPU server
Turned out to be 2 issues: 1 i didn't have an auth/authdom line in /lib/ndb/local and 2 I wasn't running keyfs prior to setting up my listeners. Looks like it's working now, thanks for the top on auth/debug. -- Burton FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth
[9fans] cpu from one CPU server to another CPU server
Hi, When I log into my first CPU server using drawterm, I try to cpu to my second CPU server and the first one in drawterm just hangs after entering the username/password. After I run the cpu command, all subsequent windows in drawterm that I create with rio are blank like the whole system is hung. I then have to kill my drawterm and reconnect after which everything is ok. If I boot up a terminal with a local fossil I can successfully cpu into the other CPU server. Any ideas on what is going on? -- Burton FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends and family! Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more!
Re: [9fans] rc's shortcomings (new subject line)
anyway, a meld of Rc shell and mk? crazy idea. Inferno (Vitanuova) released a mash a ways back, but apparently the sources were lost. It was mind-bogglingly interesting! In case anyone's interested (like I was): http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/man/1/mash.html -- Burton Samograd This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
Re: [9fans] Multi-dimensional filesystem
It pretty much has to. Consider what happens when you do something like
% x=`{pwd}
% bind /sys/src tmp
% cd tmp
% cd ..
This gets you back to $x. If you leave .. upto the fileserver, you'd get
back to /sys not $x. The server can't know the right context.
I thought this problem was solved in plan9:
Lexical File Names in Plan 9, or, Getting Dot-Dot Right - Rob Pike
A vexing old problem solved: how to make pwd get the right answer in the face
of multiply-bound directories.
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/lexnames.html
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Re: [9fans] Multi-dimensional filesystem
Has someone ever played with the notion of a multidimensional filesystem David Korn did some research on a 3d file system called 3d: David G. Korn, Eduardo Krell, The 3-D File System, pp147-156, USENIX Conference Proceedings, Summer 1989, Baltimore, MD And also at behind a paywall: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/spe.4380201304/abstract I seem to remember it being available through ast: http://www2.research.att.com/sw/download/ -- Burton Samograd This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
Re: [9fans] Multi-dimensional filesystem
It's automatically added to my mails. Sorry, I forget about it because I don't add it, the mail server does. -Original Message- From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of Kurt H Maier Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 3:13 PM To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Subject: Re: [9fans] Multi-dimensional filesystem On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 05:08:52PM -0400, Burton Samograd wrote: This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide. Are you kidding This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox - Clone
so edit/win, edit/edit, edit/dir might all be little programs that do part of what acme currently does. Sounds a bit like emacs :) -- Burton Samograd This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
[9fans] exec crashing
I'm trying to add a restart feature to my modified rio by calling exec on a saved argv[0] and copy of argv that has been null terminated, but it crashes every time. Is there something about exec on plan9 that I should be aware of that's different than unix? -- Burton Samograd
[9fans] Changing ownership of files or chown is missing
I had hg complaining about the owner of the system wide hgrc on 9front so I did what I thought was most obvious and tried a chown of the file. No chown. So I did a google and found that plan9 doesn't have chown or anything like chown because that concept doesn't exist on plan9. This seems a bit funny since an ls -l shows me file owners and groups. I got around not having chown by copying the file and then moving it over the original file. Could somebody explain to me why there is no concept of chown on plan9 and what is the plan9 way around changing the owners and groups of files? Thanks. -- Burton Samograd
[9fans] /tmp dissappearance
I have no idea how, but my /tmp disappeared, making editing files with sam impossible. I tried to bind -c $home/tmp /tmp but i get the complaint that the mounted directory doesn't allow creation. Any advice? -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] /tmp dissappearance
temporarly, you could run ramfs. but the real problem would probablly be authentication. what does /dev/user tell you? /dev/user says the correct user. I've tried logging in with both my username and glenda and both have the same problem. When I try to mkdir /tmp as it's completely missing, i get the error with 'mounted directory forbids creation.' The bind command fails because /tmp is not there; I made a mistake with my original question. -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] /tmp dissappearance
I guess i'm looking for 'mount -o remount,rw /' or something equivalent if that exists. -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] /tmp dissappearance
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 11:21 AM, andrew zerger rhoyerb...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have a $home/tmp directory? If you were to do the equiv mount -o remount command it would be to mount $home/tmp to /tmp, but Im not fluent on the syntax. The bigger problem is that my /tmp is gone so I can't mount anything there until I create it. -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] /tmp dissappearance
For now, the following works for me: mntgen / bind -c $home/tmp /tmp I just added it to my lib/profile and everything is good now. -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] Lucient Ornico PC24E-H-FC-WIFI
I have that card and it works without problems. It is an orinoco silver pcmcia. I have another similar, lucent Orinoco, but this time is a Compaq WL110 and this doesn't work, it is the PCE24E-H-JP Awesome, thanks. I clicked the 'Buy Now' button and couldn't back out, so I'm glad to know I didn't completely waste my money :) -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] /tmp dissappearance
Another noob question; how do you start the fs console on cwfs64x? I tried 'con /srv/cwfs.cmd' but get nothing back. The docs I can find all relate to fossil and which doesn't look to work the same. -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!
abaco was confused about how relative urls work. i've attached the file i'm using (which has some extra differences), and here's the diff Thanks! I'll push that to 9front if it works with their webfs. I applied the patch to my 9front abaco source and it worked as advertised (as in clicking on Google search result links now work). -- Burton Samograd This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
[9fans] 9front: Support for encrypted partitions (in development, needs documentation)
The features list of 9front has the subject line. How in development is it, and could anybody give a documentation/HOWTO on getting it working (if it does)? -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] Thinkpad T61 Installation Experience
I think I'll have to stick with 9front. I tried the official dist CD and 9atom last night and both managed to install this time but rebooting either of them would give a no bootfile error and a '' prompt that would take no input. 9front is the only dist that works reliably enough to install a boot on this machine. I have a question about the 9front/cwfs64x default partition layout, which I picked because I'm a noob with this. On my 80G did, it suggested a ~10G other, ~10G fscache, and a ~50G fsworm parition. After rebooting it looks like other is where my user directory is. So with this layout of the fs, does that mean I have 10G of user data space, 10G for my 'root' file system and the other 50G is for the wayback machine feature of the fs? If so that seems pretty excessive, but then again I don't think I'll be watching many movies on my p9 system so I think it will take me a while to fill up the 10G allocated. Could anybody explain the csfw64x default partitioning scheme on 9front a bit for me? Thanks. -- Burton Samograd
[9fans] Lucient Ornico PC24E-H-FC-WIFI
People are saying that the Wavelan PC24E-H-FC is working with plan9. I found a Lucient Ornico PC24E-H-FC-WIFI. Any idea if this will work? -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] Thinkpad T61 Installation Experience
installing 9atom with the 9front boot loader doesn't work. the prompt i a characteristic of it. Unless there was residuals from the previous install that weren't overwritten then I was doing a clean install of both the labs and 9atom distro. -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] Thinkpad T61 Installation Experience
Please read cwfs(4) man page. In there is a description of the different partitions and their uses. In particular you don't want fscache to fill up as it causes the front to fall off. It sounds also like you may need to read up on cache/worm filesystems in general. in your case 10G is not all you've got available for 'root', just what you've got available for new writes between dumps to worm. Ok, I'll give it a read; I still have quite a bit to learn. Thanks for the brief explanation. -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] Thinkpad T61 Installation Experience
the worm is not a wayback machine, it is the main storage! Maybe I was getting confused with venti (as in fossil+venti)? I guess I thought that since cwfs was standalone that it incorporated both systems into one. -- Burton Samograd This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
Re: [9fans] Thinkpad T61 Installation Experience
The defaults in my 9front installation were other, fscache and fsworm. Does fscache == main and fsworm == dump? -Original Message- From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of cinap_len...@gmx.de Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 9:37 AM To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Thinkpad T61 Installation Experience no. your user data is not in other filesystem. basicly there are 3 filesystems that cwfs exports after 9front installation. main, dump and other. main is the primary file system that gets archived to the worm in daily intervals. the archival snapshots (dump) appear as directories in the read only dump filesystem. main is your root filesystem. once stuff is written to the worm, it never gets deleted. you can't discard dumps. they are there. forever. the other filesystem is like a traditional unix filesystem. its not dumped to worm and can be used kind of like scratch space. we use it for the users /tmp directories. you can do without a other fs. we added support for +t flags like there is in fossil, so you can just mark directories and files as temporary in the main filesystem so they dont get dumped to worm. (this works recursively on directories) but requires a bigger fscache partition if you have lots of stuff flagged temporary. and you loose all your +t flagged data when recovering the filesystem from the last archival snapshot (dump). -- cinap This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!
I tried to use abaco but it doesn't seem to like google's website. Clicking any of the results links shows a redirection error page from google. Seconded. Google searching is a pain using abaco. -- Burton Samograd This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
[9fans] Thinkpad T61 Installation Experience
I got my Thinkpad T61 last night and installation was somewhat successful but not without problems: - the main thing was to set the SATA controller to 'Compatibility' mode. 9front would find the disk and install correctly but would get stuck after the pbs if this was not set. The bell labs iso would boot but not find the disk leading to some confusion when I didn't notice it was trying to partition the install CD during installation - after setting to Compatibility mode the Bell Labs iso install would go along well until it was trying to copydist which then was either completely failing or going incredibly slow; I waited at least 15 minutes during this process and it was at around 3% before I gave up. The cd would spin up and down but it really didn't seem to be copying anything at all or at least nothing very quickly. - the middle mouse button doesn't work when using ps2intellimouse or ps2 - graphics works great at native 1280x800x16 resolution - wired networking works good So, in the end I got 9front installed but now the bell labs wiki isn't very helpful since so much has changed, with the first being how to add a new user among other things. To be honest, I'd rather be using the Bell Labs iso so if anybody could give a suggestion on how to get that working I'd appreciate it. -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] Thinkpad T61 Installation Experience
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 6:32 AM, Bruce Ellis bruce.el...@gmail.com wrote: a friend gave me a T61 and the bell-labs iso installed just fine. i can't recall using any tricks, pretty much however the bios was configured - i did it in the pub. Did you have DMA enabled on the disks? I chose yes at that prompt now I'm wondering if that might have been part of the problem. Do all the buttons on the mouse work? I'm still at the iterative install over and over again phase so I'll probably try it again just to see if it works a different time. Maybe I'll give 9atom a shot too; lots of new stuff to try. -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] Thinkpad T61 Installation Experience
Just curious, but what exactly to the mp[0..24] lines do? And are they only supported by the 9front kernel? -- Burton Samograd -Original Message- From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of s...@9front.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 7:24 AM To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] Thinkpad T61 Installation Experience This is the plan9.ini on my T61, for use with the latest 9front kernel. With these settings mp, Ethernet and USB all work (the integrated mouse button 2 does not work).: bootfile=9pcf bootargs=local!/dev/sdE0/fscache nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdE0/fscache nvram=/dev/sdE0/nvram mouseport=ps2 monitor=vesa vgasize=1280x800x32 *msi=1 user=sl *mp=400 *mp0=00 00 14 03 fb 06 00 00 ff fb eb bf 00 00 00 00 *mp1=00 00 00 00 00 01 14 01 fb 06 00 00 ff fb eb bf *mp2=00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 50 43 49 20 20 20 *mp3=01 03 50 43 49 20 20 20 01 15 50 43 49 20 20 20 *mp4=01 16 49 53 41 20 20 20 02 02 20 01 00 00 c0 fe *mp5=03 03 05 00 16 00 02 00 03 00 05 00 16 01 02 01 *mp6=03 00 05 00 16 00 02 02 03 00 05 00 16 03 02 03 *mp7=03 00 05 00 16 04 02 04 03 00 05 00 16 05 02 05 *mp8=03 00 05 00 16 06 02 06 03 00 05 00 16 07 02 07 *mp9=03 00 05 00 16 08 02 08 03 00 05 00 16 09 02 09 *mp10=03 00 05 00 16 0a 02 0a 03 00 05 00 16 0b 02 0b *mp11=03 00 05 00 16 0c 02 0c 03 00 05 00 16 0d 02 0d *mp12=03 00 05 00 16 0e 02 0e 03 00 05 00 16 0f 02 0f *mp13=04 03 05 00 16 00 ff 00 04 01 05 00 16 00 ff 01 *mp14=03 00 00 00 00 04 02 10 03 00 00 00 00 0D 02 11 *mp15=03 00 00 00 00 0E 02 12 03 00 00 00 00 64 02 14 *mp16=03 00 00 00 00 68 02 14 03 00 00 00 00 69 02 15 *mp17=03 00 00 00 00 6A 02 16 03 00 00 00 00 6D 02 11 *mp18=03 00 00 00 00 70 02 14 03 00 00 00 00 71 02 15 *mp19=03 00 00 00 00 72 02 16 03 00 00 00 00 73 02 17 *mp20=03 00 00 00 00 74 02 10 03 00 00 00 00 75 02 11 *mp21=03 00 00 00 00 76 02 12 03 00 00 00 00 77 02 13 *mp22=03 00 00 00 00 7D 02 10 03 00 00 00 00 7E 02 10 *mp23=03 00 00 00 03 00 02 11 03 00 00 00 15 00 02 10 *mp24=03 00 00 00 15 01 02 11 03 00 00 00 15 02 02 12 -sl This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:31 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: i'd be interested in if a 9atom kernel works on this machine. (hget http://ftp.quanstro.net/other/9pccd.gz) unfortunately, i don't think i can easily boot to a cwfs root file system. I trued the 9atom kernel and I got similar messages as with the 9front kernel: ipapicirq: can't find bus type 12 mpintreenable: out of choices eisa -1 isa -1 tbdf 0xc00ea00 irq 11 intreenable: couldn't enable irq 11, tbdf 0xC00EA00 for usbuhci There are approximately 8 or more outputs similar to above for different subsystems including ahci. Also, the keyboard again didn't work, which is a PS2 keyboard/mouse combo. I couldn't get past the fs prompt due to this. -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure
In any case my T61 should be showing up today or tomorrow so I'll have dedicated computer for my plan9 experiments. Hopefully that will work better as it was recommended by some others on the list. Eric, I noticed you have a blade server which I would guess means they work with plan9. I was looking at them yesterday; are there particular models that work well/at all? -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] Governance question???
My G/F was asking how many people use Plan9. Does anybody have an estimate of the size of the community? I said maybe 20 or 30 to her, but I'm sure that's low. -- Burton Samograd (+1 to community size estimation :)
Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure
seems pretty clear that your mp table is junk. too bad. Ironic given I bought an Intel MB to keep from having problems like this. -- Burton Samograd This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure
i merged the info into the mp table from that T61, but i got the dmesg from the a random google search so it might be wrong. someone provide me with a linux dmesg of that machine? I should be getting my T61 tonite so I can provide the output for you in case nobody responds before then. -- Burton Samograd This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure
so looks like jammed interrupt problem? It was an MP problem. I had commented out *nomp=1 in my plan9.ini and after I tried to boot again and saw a number of errors with mpintreenable and intreenable I put it back in and it booted correctly. So no MP for this machine for now. Of course I screwed up the secstore part of the boot sequence by giving a non-existant (yet) username so I'll have to figure out how to invalidate the nvram again or reinstall. -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:05 PM, s...@9front.org wrote: It was an MP problem. I had commented out *nomp=1 in my plan9.ini and after I tried to boot again and saw a number of errors with mpintreenable and intreenable I put it back in and it booted correctly. So no MP for this machine for now. Can you try getting rid of *nomp=1 and setting *msi=1 I tried removing *nomp and adding *msi and got similar errors, but with ioapicenable and mpreenable. The disks got recognized a lot faster this time, which was better, but my keyboard didn't work :-/ I can't really capture the full output as a lot of it scrolls off the screen but I can write a more detailed description if anybody is interested. -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Burton Samograd burton.samog...@gmail.com wrote: So no MP for this machine for now. Here's some relevant output of linux dmesg regarding MP on my machine: [0.00] found SMP MP-table at [880fe200] fe200 [0.00] initial memory mapped : 0 - 2000 [0.00] Base memory trampoline at [88099000] 99000 size 20480 [0.00] init_memory_mapping: -cfc0 [0.00] 00 - 00cfc0 page 2M [0.00] kernel direct mapping tables up to cfc0 @ cfb8d000-cfb92000 [0.00] init_memory_mapping: 0001-00022c00 [0.00] 01 - 022c00 page 2M [0.00] kernel direct mapping tables up to 22c00 @ 22bff6000-22c00 [0.00] Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information [0.00] ACPI: HPET id: 0x8086a301 base: 0xfed0 [0.00] SMP: Allowing 4 CPUs, 0 hotplug CPUs [0.00] nr_irqs_gsi: 40 [0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: 0009e000 - 000a [0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: 000a - 000e [0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: 000e - 0010 [0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: ce7db000 - ce89e000 [0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: cfa9c000 - cfa9e000 [0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: cfb92000 - cfb9d000 [0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: cfb9d000 - cfba [0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: cfba - cfbea000 [0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: cfbea000 - cfbf2000 [0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: cfbf3000 - cfbff000 [0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: cfc0 - d000 [0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: d000 - f000 [0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: f000 - f800 [0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: f800 - fff0 [0.00] PM: Registered nosave memory: fff0 - 0001 [0.00] Allocating PCI resources starting at d000 (gap: d000:2000) [0.00] Booting paravirtualized kernel on bare hardware [0.00] setup_percpu: NR_CPUS:256 nr_cpumask_bits:256 nr_cpu_ids:4 nr_node_ids:1 [0.00] PERCPU: Embedded 27 pages/cpu @88022bc0 s79616 r8192 d22784 u524288 [0.00] pcpu-alloc: s79616 r8192 d22784 u524288 alloc=1*2097152 [0.00] pcpu-alloc: [0] 0 1 2 3 -- Burton Samograd
[9fans] Reading gmail
I'm currently stuck with gmail and you can't login to google using readweb. Is there any way to read gmail from plan9? Over SSL imap maybe? I searched for imapfs but came up with nothing. -- Burton Samograd
[9fans] Shiva/Guru Plug Support
Hello, I found the annoucement for Shiva plug support (http://marc.info/?l=9fansm=125849399830547w=2) and I was wondering what progress has been made with the port. I looked in /sys/src/9/kw and it looks like there has been more recent development, but could someone give me a quick summary of what has been accomplished. Also, would this port work on the GuruPlug Server (http://marc.info/?l=9fansm=125849399830547w=2)? I looks like it has almost the exact same hardware as the Shiva. I'd just like to know the port status before I purchase one for use with Plan9. Thanks. -- Burton Samograd
[9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure
Hello
I just installed 9front onto the second partition of my main SSD drive
and when I boot
using grub with 'chainloader +1' I get a PBS check which looks to pass
and then the
message 'no fat'. I am thinking that my installation might be out of
sector range on the
drive; I installed on the second primary partition after a 50ish gig
first parition. Does that
sound like it's my problem? If not, any other ideas?
Here's what's in my grub.cfg which I got from another posting on 9fans:
menuentry Plan9 (9front) {
insmod chain
insmod fat16
set root=(hd0,msdos2)
chainloader +1
}
I got the (hd0,msdos2) from using the grub command line completion.
I've never seen that
format before so I'm thinking it's new, but then again I haven't
played with grub for a while.
--
Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure
9bootfat does its search by walking all partition table entries (primary and secondary) on the bootdrive that are marked as active. Reading the grub docs, it sounds like an active partition is marked bootable and only one partition can be marked that way. Currently my linux partition is marked bootable but I'm not sure if it needs to be since grub is installed in the MBR. Any thoughts? I might just try to set my plan9 partition bootable and see what happens; I'm sure i can fix things if I can't boot later. -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure
Toggling the bootable flag on the plan9 partition did allow it to start booting. It then looked to be iterating over the drives, where on my harddisks I got: sdE0 disk name/id bad disk bad disk bad disk bad disk bad disk sdE5 disk name/id bad disk bad disk bad disk bad disk bad disk This happened for both of my SATA hard drives, the DVD got through this stage fine. It appeared to be reading the disks completely; my SSD took about a minute to get before it went to the next drive which was 2T and I didn't bother waiting around longer than 5 minutes to see if it would complete. I've had nothing but problems with this hardware anyways so I'm not surprised that plan9 has a hard time working on it. I might try it on this hardware again, but I've got another system coming soon anyways that I'm pretty sure will work just fine. I tried 9front because the standard distro had a problem with my disks, or at least finding the boot partition/floppy on the cd. 9front would boot fine as a live/install cd so I thought I was in the clear but unfortunately not. -- Burton Samograd On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Burton Samograd burton.samog...@gmail.com wrote: 9bootfat does its search by walking all partition table entries (primary and secondary) on the bootdrive that are marked as active. Reading the grub docs, it sounds like an active partition is marked bootable and only one partition can be marked that way. Currently my linux partition is marked bootable but I'm not sure if it needs to be since grub is installed in the MBR. Any thoughts? I might just try to set my plan9 partition bootable and see what happens; I'm sure i can fix things if I can't boot later. -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] 'no fat' - boot failure
Attached is the output of lspci. I'll see if I can get it to fully boot to get the output of the other command. -- Burton On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 8:56 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Sun May 13 21:20:40 EDT 2012, burton.samog...@gmail.com wrote: Toggling the bootable flag on the plan9 partition did allow it to start booting. It then looked to be iterating over the drives, where on my harddisks I got: sdE0 disk name/id bad disk bad disk bad disk bad disk bad disk i'm not sure of the lineage of the 9front driver, or what hardware you're using. this sort of sounds like a hardware funny (which may be already fixed) or puis (power-up in standby). the output of the pci command, or lspci on linux would be helpful. if you could also get the output of cat /dev/sdE5/ctl that would be good as well. - erik 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express DRAM Controller (rev 02) 00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express PCI Express Root Port (rev 02) 00:03.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31/P35/P31 Express MEI Controller (rev 02) 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82566DC-2 Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02) 00:1a.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 02) 00:1a.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 02) 00:1a.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #6 (rev 02) 00:1a.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 02) 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02) 00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 02) 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 02) 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 3 (rev 02) 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 4 (rev 02) 00:1c.4 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) PCI Express Port 5 (rev 02) 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 02) 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 92) 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801IH (ICH9DH) LPC Interface Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801IR/IO/IH (ICH9R/DO/DH) 6 port SATA AHCI Controller (rev 02) 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 02) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GT218 [GeForce 210] (rev a2) 01:00.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1) 03:00.0 IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE6101/6102 single-port PATA133 interface (rev b1)
[9fans] IL depreciated
From the IL Wikipedia page: As of the Fourth Edition of Plan 9, 2003, IL is deprecated in favor of TCP/IP because it doesn't handle long-distance connections well. Does anybody still use IL? It sounds like an interesting protocol and I'm wondering if anybody has or is still using it for either local network or internet usage. And, given It's depreciation status, is it still available for use if one does want to use it? -- Burton Samograd This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
Re: [9fans] IL depreciated
I still use IL on my local network, but that's mostly for fun. Does it offer the advantages claimed over TCP? Do you think it is even possible to run it over the internet anymore given the amount of filtering and such that is going on at the ISP level now? -- Burton This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
Re: [9fans] IL depreciated
i don't use il over the internet since it's not encrypted. tls over the internet makes much more sense to me. Is there no encryption support for 9P? - erik This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
Re: [9fans] IL depreciated
Oops, that wasn't from eric... i don't use il over the internet since it's not encrypted. tls over the internet makes much more sense to me. Is there no encryption support for 9P? -- Burton Samograd This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
[9fans] The Alt/Meta Key
Hello, I am wondering what is happening when I hold down the Alt/Meta key when I press characters. If I hit Alt-B+B I get something that looks like a bomb. The other keys I've tried just look to double the character I've pressed. Can I modify this behaviour so that I can recognize Alt key combinations? I'm thinking this is part of the kernel keyboard driver, am I correct? I'm trying to modify rio to handle for Alt-F (forward-word) and Alt-B (backward-word). -- Burton Samograd
Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!
Along these lines, is there a recommendation for the best laptop for running plan9? Ie. Native video, working Ethernet/wifi, no hassles with HW compatibility, etc. One every system I've tried there's always been something that has gone wrong, so I'm hoping that the wisdom of this list will direct me towards and fully working version, even if it's not the most modern technology. Thank you. -Original Message- From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of Vincent Zhao Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:44 AM To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!! I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9, can my dream come true? This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!
What do you think the compatibility of getting an Actiontech 800MiP card and using it in an X60? I like the form factor of the X60 plus the better specs, I'm just not sure if it also uses the same Mini PCI slot of the T23. -- Burton Samograd -Original Message- From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of s...@9front.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:29 AM To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!! Thinkpad T23 is the canonical Plan 9 laptop. Everything I've tried on it works: apm, sound, wifi. The Actiontec 800MIP (branded WaveLAN) wifi card it ships with actually works. Thinkpad T42 is likewise well supported. The wifi card(s) it shipped with did not work for me, but its Mini PCI slot is compatible with the Actiontec 800MIP from the T23. Note: replacing the wifi card requires completely disassembling the laptop. Many screws. Another option for wifi is PCMCIA, which has the benefit of being available on almost all laptops. However, I've not had great luck. The WaveLAN PC24E-H-FC works, but exhibits abysmal performance. Other WaveLAN PCMCIA cards I've tried have not worked at all. I'm not certain if this owes to incompatibility or faulty hardware. It's also possible that support for the specific PCMCIA controllers in my various laptops is buggy. -sl This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!
Also, all I can find on ebay is the 802MiP which looks to be a wifi/modem combo. Any idea if this is compatible with the 800MiP? -- Burton Samograd -Original Message- From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of Burton Samograd Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:40 AM To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Subject: Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!! What do you think the compatibility of getting an Actiontech 800MiP card and using it in an X60? I like the form factor of the X60 plus the better specs, I'm just not sure if it also uses the same Mini PCI slot of the T23. -- Burton Samograd -Original Message- From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of s...@9front.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:29 AM To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!! Thinkpad T23 is the canonical Plan 9 laptop. Everything I've tried on it works: apm, sound, wifi. The Actiontec 800MIP (branded WaveLAN) wifi card it ships with actually works. Thinkpad T42 is likewise well supported. The wifi card(s) it shipped with did not work for me, but its Mini PCI slot is compatible with the Actiontec 800MIP from the T23. Note: replacing the wifi card requires completely disassembling the laptop. Many screws. Another option for wifi is PCMCIA, which has the benefit of being available on almost all laptops. However, I've not had great luck. The WaveLAN PC24E-H-FC works, but exhibits abysmal performance. Other WaveLAN PCMCIA cards I've tried have not worked at all. I'm not certain if this owes to incompatibility or faulty hardware. It's also possible that support for the specific PCMCIA controllers in my various laptops is buggy. -sl This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide. This e-mail, including accompanying communications and attachments, is strictly confidential and only for the intended recipient. Any retention, use or disclosure not expressly authorised by Markit is prohibited. This email is subject to all waivers and other terms at the following link: http://www.markit.com/en/about/legal/email-disclaimer.page Please visit http://www.markit.com/en/about/contact/contact-us.page? for contact information on our offices worldwide.
Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!
I remember reading a while back that plan9 didn't support more than 1.7G of
memory. Is this still the case?
-Original Message-
From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of
s...@9front.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:57 AM
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!
A Thinkpad X60 or X61 works great and is very light, too.
I have an X61T that works great with 9front. The T61 is also a good choice
(almost identical hardware to the X61T, but with no tablet and a 14 1280x800
screen). Some caveats:
- There are no known working Mini PCI Express wifi cards
- apm is not functional
Hardware stats on the T61:
% cd '#ec'; for(i in *){echo $i '=' `{cat $i}} *msi = 1 bootargs =
local!/dev/sdE0/fscache bootfile = 9pccpufi
e820 = 0009d800 0010 bf6b
0001 00013c00 monitor = vesa mouseport = ps2intellimouse
nvram = /dev/sdE0/nvram vgasize = 1280x800x32
% cat '#'P/archctl
cpu Xeon5000-series 1995 pge
pge on
coherence mfence
cmpswap cmpswap486
i8253set on
cache default uc
cache 0xc000 1073741824 uc
cache 0x13c00 67108864 uc
cache 0x0 4294967296 wb
cache 0x1 1073741824 wb
cache 0xbf70 1048576 uc
cache 0xbf80 8388608 uc
% cat '#'P/irqalloc
3 0 debugpt
7 0 mathemu
8 0 doublefault
9 0 mathover
14 0 fault386
15 0 unexpected
16 0 matherror
50 18 clock
51 19 lapicerror
63 31 lapicspurious
72 1 kbd
80 11 ether0
88 11 hda
96 6 floppy
104 11 usbuhci
112 10 usbuhci
120 14 sdC (ide)
128 10 sdE (ahci)
% cat '#'P/ioalloc
0f dma
20 21 i8259.0
40 43 i8253
60 60 kbd
61 61 i8253.cntr2c
64 64 kbd
70 71 rtc/nvr
80 8f dma
a0 a1 i8259.1
d0 df dma
1f0 1f7 atacmd
2b0 2df vga
3c0 3da vga
3e0 3e1 i82365.0
3f0 3f5 floppy
3f6 3f6 atactl
3f7 3f7 floppy
fff fff dummy
1860 187f usbuhci
1880 189f usbuhci
18a0 18bf usbuhci
18c0 18df usbuhci
18e0 18ff usbuhci
% cat '#'c/config
# pccpuf - pc cpu server with local disk dev
root
cons
arch
pnp pci
env
pipe
proc
mnt
srv
shr
dup
rtc
ssl
tls
bridge log
sdp thwack unthwack
cap
kprof
fs
ether netif
ip arp chandial ip ipv6 ipaux iproute netlog nullmedium
pktmedium ptclbsum386 inferno
drawscreen vga vgax
mouse mouse
kbd
vga
sd
audio dma
floppy dma
aoe
uart
usb
link
segdesc
devpccard
devi82365
apm apmjump
ether2000 ether8390
ether2114x pci
ether589etherelnk3
ether79c970 pci
ether8003 ether8390
ether8139 pci
ether8169 pci ethermii
ether82543gcpci
ether82563 pci
ether82557 pci
ether83815 pci
etherdp83820pci
etherbcmpci
etherec2t ether8390
etherelnk3 pci
etherga620 pci
etherigbe pci ethermii
ethervgbe pci ethermii
ethervt6102 pci ethermii
ethervt6105mpci ethermii
# etherm10g pci
ethersink
ethersmcdevi82365 cis
etherwavelanwavelan devi82365 cis pci
ethermedium
netdevmedium
loopbackmedium
usbuhci
usbohci
usbehci usbehcipc
audiosb16 dma
audioac97 audioac97mix
audiohda
misc
archmp mp apic
mtrr
uarti8250
uartpci pci
sdaoe
sdide pci sdscsi
sd53c8xxpci sdscsi
sdmylex pci sdscsi
sdiahci pci sdscsi led
sdodin pci sdscsi led
sdvirtiopci sdscsi
sdloop
vga3dfx +cur
vgaark2000pv+cur
vgabt485=cur
vgaclgd542x +cur
vgaclgd546x +cur
vgact65545 +cur
vgacyber938x+cur
vgaet4000 +cur
vgageode+cur
vgahiqvideo +cur
vgai81x +cur
vgamach64xx +cur
vgamga2164w +cur
Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!
I have an X61T...
Do you mean an X61s? I see no reference to the X61T on the ThinkWiki.
--
Burton Samograd
-Original Message-
From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net [mailto:9fans-boun...@9fans.net] On Behalf Of
s...@9front.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:57 AM
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!
A Thinkpad X60 or X61 works great and is very light, too.
I have an X61T that works great with 9front. The T61 is also a good choice
(almost identical hardware to the X61T, but with no tablet and a 14 1280x800
screen). Some caveats:
- There are no known working Mini PCI Express wifi cards
- apm is not functional
Hardware stats on the T61:
% cd '#ec'; for(i in *){echo $i '=' `{cat $i}} *msi = 1 bootargs =
local!/dev/sdE0/fscache bootfile = 9pccpufi
e820 = 0009d800 0010 bf6b
0001 00013c00 monitor = vesa mouseport = ps2intellimouse
nvram = /dev/sdE0/nvram vgasize = 1280x800x32
% cat '#'P/archctl
cpu Xeon5000-series 1995 pge
pge on
coherence mfence
cmpswap cmpswap486
i8253set on
cache default uc
cache 0xc000 1073741824 uc
cache 0x13c00 67108864 uc
cache 0x0 4294967296 wb
cache 0x1 1073741824 wb
cache 0xbf70 1048576 uc
cache 0xbf80 8388608 uc
% cat '#'P/irqalloc
3 0 debugpt
7 0 mathemu
8 0 doublefault
9 0 mathover
14 0 fault386
15 0 unexpected
16 0 matherror
50 18 clock
51 19 lapicerror
63 31 lapicspurious
72 1 kbd
80 11 ether0
88 11 hda
96 6 floppy
104 11 usbuhci
112 10 usbuhci
120 14 sdC (ide)
128 10 sdE (ahci)
% cat '#'P/ioalloc
0f dma
20 21 i8259.0
40 43 i8253
60 60 kbd
61 61 i8253.cntr2c
64 64 kbd
70 71 rtc/nvr
80 8f dma
a0 a1 i8259.1
d0 df dma
1f0 1f7 atacmd
2b0 2df vga
3c0 3da vga
3e0 3e1 i82365.0
3f0 3f5 floppy
3f6 3f6 atactl
3f7 3f7 floppy
fff fff dummy
1860 187f usbuhci
1880 189f usbuhci
18a0 18bf usbuhci
18c0 18df usbuhci
18e0 18ff usbuhci
% cat '#'c/config
# pccpuf - pc cpu server with local disk dev
root
cons
arch
pnp pci
env
pipe
proc
mnt
srv
shr
dup
rtc
ssl
tls
bridge log
sdp thwack unthwack
cap
kprof
fs
ether netif
ip arp chandial ip ipv6 ipaux iproute netlog nullmedium
pktmedium ptclbsum386 inferno
drawscreen vga vgax
mouse mouse
kbd
vga
sd
audio dma
floppy dma
aoe
uart
usb
link
segdesc
devpccard
devi82365
apm apmjump
ether2000 ether8390
ether2114x pci
ether589etherelnk3
ether79c970 pci
ether8003 ether8390
ether8139 pci
ether8169 pci ethermii
ether82543gcpci
ether82563 pci
ether82557 pci
ether83815 pci
etherdp83820pci
etherbcmpci
etherec2t ether8390
etherelnk3 pci
etherga620 pci
etherigbe pci ethermii
ethervgbe pci ethermii
ethervt6102 pci ethermii
ethervt6105mpci ethermii
# etherm10g pci
ethersink
ethersmcdevi82365 cis
etherwavelanwavelan devi82365 cis pci
ethermedium
netdevmedium
loopbackmedium
usbuhci
usbohci
usbehci usbehcipc
audiosb16 dma
audioac97 audioac97mix
audiohda
misc
archmp mp apic
mtrr
uarti8250
uartpci pci
sdaoe
sdide pci sdscsi
sd53c8xxpci sdscsi
sdmylex pci sdscsi
sdiahci pci sdscsi led
sdodin pci sdscsi led
sdvirtiopci sdscsi
sdloop
vga3dfx +cur
vgaark2000pv+cur
vgabt485=cur
vgaclgd542x +cur
vgaclgd546x +cur
vgact65545 +cur
vgacyber938x+cur
vgaet4000 +cur
vgageode+cur
vgahiqvideo +cur
vgai81x +cur
vgamach64xx +cur
vgamga2164w +cur
