Re: [9fans] GSoC 2021 project ideas
Anyone know if this project went anywhere? https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~412/lectures/L05_Purge_Proposal.pdf A Hellaphone revisit. On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:48 PM sirjofri wrote: > Hello, > > many many really cool ideas. Most of them get a big heart icon, but I > don't want to repeat your ideas. So consider this one large heart for all > of them ♥️. > > My annotations are inline. > > 01.02.2021 08:16:58 cigar562hfsp952f...@icebubble.org: > > (2) A Zoom/video conferencing application for Plan 9. Enough said. :) > > Afaik someone on grid wanted to try some voice chat stuff using mq, > maybe. Could be helpful. > > > (a) An Android "app" that presents an Android phone's telephone and SMS > > messaging facilities as a 9P filesystem. This would enable Plan 9 > > and Inferno applications to place/receive voice calls and > > send/receive text messages across a network. This could be done by > > extending bhgv's existing Android port of Inferno, or as a > > separtate, stand-alone server app. > > Also hellaphone might be interesting (maybe just for comparison). Afaik > they removed the whole java stuff from android and replaced it with dis. > They were able to do phone calls and I think they got rudimentary text > messages working, too, but both directly on the phone using inferno. > > A native 9p interface for Android might also be a nice project. Android > supports adding new protocols like ftp or smb to its native filesystem > pool. I don't know the details. > > I also have some other project ideas like many, like a native Android > gridchat client, but that's too specific, I think. I'll play around with > these when I'm done studying. > > sirjofri -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T39aec8f3f9d8503d-Ma1c5487c03fdc3bf7b6bbbfb Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
[9fans] FOIA request?
This is interesting: *"Pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act, I hereby request the following records:* *Records, emails, memos and reports relating to or mentioning the operating system Plan 9 from Bell Labs"* https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/foia-cia-plan-9-from-bell-labs-82547/ ??? Other than LANL, any idea what they might be fishing for? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T6f0461c12ad85976-Mfef7b82021b15264f239fc26 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription
Re: [9fans] smtpd in modern times.
I'm not running one (at the moment), but I think there's an stunnel port for Plan 9, and that could be an easy way to duct tape TLS support onto your existing setup. -Jack On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM Steve Simon wrote: > I have been running my a smtp server on plan9 for about > 10 years but I beleive I am having more and more incomming > mail bounce because of plan9's lack of support for tls 1.2. > > What is anyone else doing about this? > > stop ovvering ESMTP in smptd? > > Using a 3rd party smtpd supplier (google?) > > Does 9front support tls1.2 now? > > use facebook instead of email (joke). > > Other... > > -Steve (hoping replies don't bounce) > >
Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:38 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > Yes... But this is also why, concurrently, work has to be done to get > > rid of some unnecessities: that documents produced on Plan9 be viewable > > on Plan9 with only Plan9 means (external documents are another problem). > > ghostscript already renders plan 9 produced pdf just fine. > so that problem is solved, and there's no need to do anything. > > what we need is better access to externally produced documents. > So, skipping interactivity, what about a pdf2pdf filter? -Jack
Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?
Is a PS/PDF library something that might benefit from reconstruction in Go? Or is it just a spaghetti mess?
Re: [9fans] Fwd:
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > This is an outrage. I was promised html parsing and in-line images with > cat. Best mailing list message ever. :) -J
Re: [9fans] 9atom
On Jan 4, 2013 10:07 AM, "Richard Miller" <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > > > It contains the full file system from the Plan 9 CD image, > > unmodified, except a single line change in the kernel binary. > > I can't contain my curiosity: what's the line? > > I once worked with a colleague who had a superstition that any > one-line change to production software was almost certain to > introduce a bug. (Actually what he said was "one-card change", > which indicates how long ago this was.) If he had to make > a modification simple enough to be done in one line, he would > always combine it with some other random harmless change like > renaming a variable. It's funny, if you were correcting someone else's bug unknowingly introduced by a one-line change your fix could justifiably be one line, but then you would think the odds of it reoccurring in the future would be non-zero, and you might as well add a comment for future fumblers. :) -Jack
Re: [9fans] iwp9
Traditional names always have the edge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwigillingok,_Alaska I think the Yup'ik are half-Welsh. ;) -Jack On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:26:32AM -0800, Brian L. Stuart wrote: > > > > Yeah, we probably do need more where half of the > > consonants are silent :) On the other hand, I > > always thought Bucksnort, Tennessee was pretty > > creative... Well, maybe creative is too strong > > a word---unusual, at least. > > > > Bucksnort is a gas station and a porn shop. When we get creative, we > wind up with Toad Suck Park, Arkansas and Intercourse, Pennsylvania. I > live not too far away from Crapo, Maryland. > >
Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was
Even with it's "faults" (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was *fun* and elegant. -Jack
Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!
Quick tangent, is there anyone out there whose favorite environment is non-native? Maybe 9vx or plan9ports on specific hardware? Your secret sam port to Windows 8's Metro UI? For all I know, plan9ports full screen on a MacBook Air is Glenda's Elysian field. Maybe something dual-screen with Chrome on the next monitor over. I know someone out there has a setup they've nestled into and are slightly cringing at the thought of his or her next machine or OS transition because right now life is good. -Jack
Re: [9fans] octopus paper
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: > Given the lag in publication, this system is no longer under development > (though we are still using it), but here's a paper about the Octopus. Hey Francisco, First, I really like the ideas in Octopus. I think it was extremely well-considered, and worth reviewing as people reconsider where and how money is allocated in the various cloud-based infrastructure subsystems, and how much or how little it affects the net effect. Would you say it's more in "maintenance mode" or are you already considering the subsequent cephalopod? :) -Jack
Re: [9fans] Some things never change
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:43 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > pfft. we've always had find. we've just called it "du". It's funny, since I learned how to do that via 9fans, I still do it that way on Linux. -Jack
Re: [9fans] NIX 64-bit kernel is available
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:42 PM, John Floren wrote: > We have discussed this. "Nixie" was a proposed new name, but for now > we'd rather get the actual code and distribution right than worry > about the name. If you need yet another proposal that would Google with minimal collisions, it's possible that the first rabbit in space was named Marnushka (and not Glenda). -Jack
Re: [9fans] novel userspace paradigms introduced by plan 9
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 8:29 AM, dexen deVries wrote: > disclaimer: i'm not a plan 9 person for any viable value of `p9 person' I'm in the same boat, but I aspire to be in the other boat. :) -Jack
Re: [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users not believe it
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:42 AM, errno wrote: > On Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:20:27 AM Jack Johnson wrote: >> which is why I find it hard to get hot headed over any of the assertions, >> but tend toward trusting the research. >> > What research? The rabbit hole is pretty deep, but you could start with: International Journal of Human-Computer Studies http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/10715819 ...and a teaser on variables: http://www.intechopen.com/source/pdfs/5711/InTech-The_effects_of_panel_location_target_size_and_gender_on_efficiency_in_simple_direct_manipulation_tasks.pdf -Jack
Re: [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users not believe it
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 8:48 AM, William Cowan wrote: > Sample tasks at random you say. What is the correct universe to sample > if we wish to substantiate the sort of categorical assertions made on > this thread? Also, familiar vs unfamiliar tasks using familiar vs unfamiliar software. The number of UI variables are mind boggling, which is why I find it hard to get hot headed over any of the assertions, but tend toward trusting the research. Beating the dead horse, -Jack
Re: [9fans] Go/Inferno toolchain (Was: comment and newline in
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: > FTS, I'm interesting in getting Go here because I'm going to write > the i.e. window system (successor of o/live, o/mero, ...) also in go, to run > at least the viewer native on unix systems. The C version is still cooking. Is there an overview/paper/etc. for i.e?
Re: [9fans] license situation and OSI
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Corey wrote: > No doubt - MS and FSF are clearly in the same camp. Allies even! Heck, > one might even go so far as to venture the notion that they're practically > bedfellows. I'm just noting that usually licensing is looked at as a continuum of commercial vs free, and rarely as restrictive vs non-restrictive (or heck, complex vs simple), and occasionally it's useful to consider the other dimensions and how the particular perspective of each unique beast affects the conversation and analysis. So, for me, it's intriguing that in both the scenario where you want to retain complete IP control over your code and the scenario where you hope to ensure complete IP public longevity, the best defense seems to be restrictive licensing. But, from the perspective where you have public code and want to garner mindshare, there are a multitude of facets that affect that choice, and having a multiplicity of licensing options may improve the fecundity/fidelity/longevity of said code in more complex ways than can be readily surmised from the previous perspective. -Jack (continuing to contribute nothing to the good of the order)
Re: [9fans] license situation and OSI
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Nick LaForge wrote: >>Kinda puts MS and EFF in the same camp. > > You mean FSF? Whoops, yes, FSF. -Jack
Re: [9fans] license situation and OSI
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Charles Forsyth wrote: >>You don't get to change the license > > ``3. REQUIREMENTS > A. Distributor may choose to distribute the Program in any form under > this Agreement or under its own license agreement, provided that: > ... > c. if distributed under Distributor's own license agreement, such > license agreement: > ... [conditions placed on an alternative licence, including spelling > out the differences] > '' I've always thought this was an entertaining perspective on licensing. Really there are just two kinds of licenses: ones that allow relicensing and ones that don't. Kinda puts MS and EFF in the same camp. -Jack
Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Federico G. Benavento wrote: > p2c (pascal 2 c) Anyone ever peek at one of the Oberon to C compliers? Or maybe the Oxford stuff? http://spivey.oriel.ox.ac.uk/corner/Oxford_Oberon-2_compiler -Jack
Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:29 PM, wrote: > very little new is being created, but rather many old things are being > "improved" upon (regurgitated) in manners that consume more and more > computing cycles and deliver less and less performance. I think this is an important observation. When I saw Rob's presentation on concurrency and message passing in Newsqueak, the meat of the message that stuck in my brain was hey, there are easier ways to do a lot of the stuff we're already doing. When you look at the infrastructure to provide D-Bus vs what D-Bus actually does, there is a huge opportunity cost to implement D-Bus if that infrastructure does not already exist. Conversely, if you wanted to implement its features from scratch on, let's say, a non-UNIXlike system with no GCC port, why on earth would anyone import the infrastructure just for that service? The shared infrastructure of the GCC-bound OSes do provide certain heritage and growth benefits to those systems at certain costs. I think the Plan 9 community is one of the few development communities that questions the costs of suggested growth. It has always struck me a more deliberate act of change rather than an adaptation to change, and the pace that it provides also has its own costs and benefits. Do I like EFL? Absolutely. Are there EFL concepts and techniques that Plan 9 could benefit from? Probably. Do we need to import the infrastructure to import EFL to benefit from that mindshare? Probably not. I'm naively hoping Go will eventually take us to some future middle ground where folks can dabble in a shared sandbox of sanity from both sides of the fence. -Jack
Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:41 PM, wrote: > Polluting Plan 9 with fashionable toys isn't going to save the > world, isn't even going to be useful to the existing Plan 9 community, > so why do you believe it should happen, rather than allow Plan 9 as it > exists, both as a philosophy and as the implementation of this > philosophy, to demonstrate that a simpler lifestyle is also > sufficient? The image this brought to mind was Buddhism. Would Buddhism be better if it were infused with Evangelism? Doubtful. The next time I say, "Not to engender a flame war," please kick me off the list, please. -Jack
Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Patrick Kelly wrote: > Object-Orientation reduces static provability. True (or true enough)? Not to engender a flame war, but my gut says there must be some Eiffel, Smalltalk, and LISP folk out there who are big on provability, but I can imagine that there's a case out there for saying not all OO implementations are the same. Is this a Gödel question? How do you prove OO reduces static provability? I'm totally OK with a "true enough" response like the measured complexity introduced makes it more problematic to determine static provability (as I talk out my ass). -Jack
Re: [9fans] tinycore 9vx .tce on sources
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 2:52 PM, ron minnich wrote: > --rw-r--r-- M 26 rminnich sys8805 Apr 3 17:41 > /n/sources/contrib/rminnich/9vx.tce > Wild. I've been screwing around with a tinycore terminal server in a couple of VMs and I was planning on building a TCE for 9vx after this weekend's Easter festivities. Thanks! Maybe I should procrastinate more often -Jack
Re: [9fans] Plan ? (was: native install)
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Jack Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Patrick Kelly wrote: > around with relatively few upgrades for the past 420 billion years or s/billion/million/ -Jack
Re: [9fans] Plan ? (was: native install)
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Patrick Kelly wrote: > Read up on why Plan 9 was written. We've been succeeding for 20 years so > far. I think this is an interesting comment in light of the evolution thread. Most people (incorrectly) equate evolution with progress. Whether or not other more popular OSes are evidence of progress, it's interesting to consider the idea of success. The millipede has been around with relatively few upgrades for the past 420 billion years or so. It would be hard to call it unsuccessful, even though it can't (yet?) effectively run, jump, or fly. -Jack
Re: [9fans] quote o' the day
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:54 AM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > try as you might, the irony is unescapable (see the attached "helpful" > suggestion by google). It sounds like a competition. "Write a program that, when translated by Google into Czech, still produces valid output." -Jack
Re: [9fans] more little hardware
Thanks to Google's targeted ads: http://www.eglobalwireless.com/p-4333-new-7-mini-netbook-laptop-notebook-wifi-windows-2gb-hd.aspx Also might make a good Inferno device if WinCE isn't too firmly ensconced. -Jack
Re: [9fans] more little hardware
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Stuart Morrow wrote: > However, there is one "smart" feature that for me would be useful enough that > carrying a big chunky thing that lives for a quarter of a day on battery might > actually be worth it, and the feature is so damn trivial to do with Plan 9 - > setting/unsetting the ring tone to/from silent in a cron job. I would like my ringtone volume to adjust periodically to the ambient noise, which also seems fairly trivial. What did you folks with bitsies and iPAQs find useful? Any of you still packing one? -Jack
Re: [9fans] more little hardware
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Jack Johnson wrote: > Off-topic-ish, that 320x240 screen is probably the biggest challenge, > trying to find some usable UI in that space. I think the idea of a > native Inferno port is great. Sorry, last of the blather. It also seems ideal for Octopus: http://plan9.escet.urjc.es/ls/octopus.html -Jack
Re: [9fans] more little hardware
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Jack Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:54 AM, wrote: >>> http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/qi-hardwares-tiny-hackable-ben-nanonote-now-shipping/ >> >> Okay, Maht. You just cost me $125 :) I just couldn't resist. > > I was wondering how you'd network one of those things: > > http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_in_Nanonote Off-topic-ish, that 320x240 screen is probably the biggest challenge, trying to find some usable UI in that space. I think the idea of a native Inferno port is great. Anyone doing anything fun on the UI side with the Nintendo DS port? It also looks like Android on this thing might be a possibility: http://www.laptopmag.net/3837-google-android-port-for-xburst-cpus-on-its-way.html ...so drawterm for Android might also be a worthwhile direction. -Jack
Re: [9fans] more little hardware
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:54 AM, wrote: >> http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/qi-hardwares-tiny-hackable-ben-nanonote-now-shipping/ > > Okay, Maht. You just cost me $125 :) I just couldn't resist. I was wondering how you'd network one of those things: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_in_Nanonote -Jack
Re: [9fans] evoluent mouse review
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > i just did. acme isn't seeing any mouse clicks from a macbook's > trackpad. i'll take a look and report in more detail in a bit. I'll have to give that a try. It seems acme + trackpad isn't always fun, but my brain loves a trackpad for some reason. I keep thinking I want one of these for a desktop machine, but I'd still probably need a mouse hanging around, too: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-45849.html Plus, Mac 2-finger scrolling has ruined me. -Jack
Re: [9fans] Woes of New Language Support
If I'm reading you right, you're saying it might be easier if everything were encoded as combining (or maybe more aptly non-combining) codes, regardless of language? So, we might encode 'Waffles' as w+upper a f f l e s and let the renderer (if there is one) handle the presentation of the case shift and the potential ligature, but things like grep get noticeably easier with no overlap of ő and o+umlaut. Again, oversimplified, with no real understanding on my part of the depth or breadth of the problem space. If this is the case, could it be handled by pushing everything into a subset of unicode rather than use the unallocated space to create a superset? -J On 7/26/09, erik quanstrom wrote: >> to be fair to the unicode people, this decoupling of glyphs and codepoints >> is (i think) the most straightforward way to implement some languages like >> arabic, where the glyphs for characters depend on their position within a >> word. that is, a letter at the beginning of a word looks different from >> what it would look like if it was in the middle. > > my opinion (not that i'm entitled to one here) is > that the unicode guys screwed up. unicode is not > consistant. explain why there are two code points sigma. > 03c3 greek small letter sigma > 03c2 greek small letter final sigma > why does german get ä, ö, ü? if you want to take > this further, why are there capital forms of latin letters? > can't that also be inferred by the font? > > what's called a ligature in one language is a character > in another. i see no consistency. it seems like the > unicode committee had a problem with too much > knowledge of the specific problems and few actual > unifying (sorry) concepts. > > i think it would make much more sense to put this logic > in editors. this would also allow the freedom to use a > capital, ligature, final form in the wrong place. > like say studlyCaps. i can't imagine english is the only > language in the world that gets abused. > > - erik > > -- Sent from my mobile device
Re: [9fans] dcp - a deep copy script, better than dircp
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:41 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > on coraid's worm, a find on main takes not too long: > > minooka; cd /n/ila > minooka; time rc -c 'find . | wc' > 356164 356164 13987863 > 1.24u 1.38s 6.65r rc -c find . | wc The FAQ also mentions: du -a . | grep foo Just out of curiosity, how does find vs du compare for you? -Jack
Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM, wrote: > Which model of USB audio? Is it something available on Amazon? Looks like this might be the new version of the Turtle Beach Audio Advantage: http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Advantage-Micro-Sound-Card/dp/B0002ICGDY Hopefully it works as well. -Jack -- Forwarded message -- From: Sape Mullender Date: Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [9fans] More USB audio To: knapj...@gmail.com, 9f...@cse.psu.edu Cc: j...@plan9.bell-labs.com, p...@plan9.bell-labs.com > http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/products/audioadvantage/ We got one ath the labs. Plugged it into Plan 9. It works. It actually outputs a lot of oomph into my headset. Nice device. 44100 or 48000 Hz, 16-bit stereo. Has mute & volume control. Sape
Re: [9fans] plan 9 interface color ergonomy
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Jason Catena wrote: > Rob explains the fonts and colors (inspired by Tufte, no less) a bit > in this reposted message, and mentions Renee French. I wonder if Renee would be interested to know this particular color palette is an ongoing point of discussion? -Jack
Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Lorenzo Bolla wrote: > Is anyone using it for such things? Some of us either do different things day-to-day or have found workarounds or alternatives to the way people usually enjoy the Internet and their attached computers. Without (or until) a change of mindset, it's likely that the easiest way to keep one foot on land and the other in the pool is to run Plan 9 in a virtual machine or to run plan9port on top of your regular OS. Best of luck, -Jack
Re: [9fans] Google finally announces their lightweight OS
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:34 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > the problem i have with "literate programming" is that it > tends to treat code like a terse and difficult-to-understand > footnote. And thus, we have literate programming meets APL. ;) -Jack
Re: [9fans] Rails? (was Re: web server)
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote: > Is Rails even necessary? If all you have is an object, everything looks like a method. ;) -J
Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Uriel wrote: > How many people can actually claim that they will for certain use such > iphone drawterm? Because the idea of using rio or acme from a > touchscreen doesn't seem very practical to me (to put it very mildly). Is there a similar project that would be more useful for the device? Inferno plug-in for Safari? Work backwards. What (new) would you do if someone else did the hard bit, and now what does that hard bit look like? -Jack
Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Jack Johnson wrote: > There's some reseller in the U.K., I think. Let me see if I can dig it up. Whoops, wrong country: http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61504599/Categories/%22Lemote%20product%22 -Jack
Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:49 PM, wrote: > I found this a couple months ago and showed it to Ron, tried to get a > quote or some info on buying them but nobody even replied to my email. > Can you even get them in China? Are they even being produced? There's some reseller in the U.K., I think. Let me see if I can dig it up. -Jack
Re: [9fans] jjm
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Bruce Ellis wrote: > found object ... > > http://www.chunder.com/text/struggle.html Absolutely priceless. The last line is the winner. -J
Re: [9fans] (off-topic) Renée French
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: > How come the Renée French who appears in Jim Jarmusch's "Coffee and > Cigarettes" has nothing to with the Renée French who drew Glenda? Interesting movie. Parts of it I dearly love, other parts not so much. A lot like Night on Earth, where some sections were painful to sit through but Benigni's chapter is just a jewel of film. -J
Re: [9fans] Gmail and upas
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Jack Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and then it follows up with: > > GO TO > https://www.google.com/accounts/'http:/mail.google.com/mail/h/19sso9tatmt7r/?ui=html&zy=l' > > which doesn't seem to match the continue parameter from the last request. I just disabled Javascript on Safari and tried http:/mail.google.com/mail/h and eventually I get a URL like the above with a *very* long auth parameter appended to the end, and then a usr parameter with my email address. -J
Re: [9fans] Gmail and upas
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Rudolf Sykora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > seems you use IMAP to read gmail. I usually read my gmail mail through > my web browser, which is not a problem from opera/firefox in linux. > However, I can't do the same from plan9. Neither abaco, nor charon > work. Is this so for everyone or just for me? Thanks. I remember looking into the problem with charon in the past using my feeble skills, so I just took another peek using: charon -dbg dnop -docookies 1 -doscripts 1 -usessl v3 -starturl 'http://mail.google.com/mail/h' -dbgfile gmail.out and based on the URL left in the address bar and the debug log, it looks like it fails somewhere around the last continue parameter from the last redirect. Authentication seems to be working; I can use iGoogle but not Gmail. There are some intermittent errors about SSL to ssl.google-analytics.com, but I don't think these are critical. One of the last requests seem to return a chunk of Javascript that does browser detection: https://mail.google.com/mail?view=page&name=browser&ver=1k96igf4806cy I tried some of the tricks found around the net to turn off browser detection with no success. I did find that the URL redirects seem to behave differently if I don't enable Javascript, but then it fails very strangely at the end with what appears to be an invalid request. The last valid request is: https://www.google.com/accounts/CheckCookie?continue=http%3A%2F%2Fmail.google.com%2Fmail%2Fh%2F19sso9tatmt7r%2F%3Fui%3Dhtml%26zy%3Dl&service=mail
Re: [9fans] plan9 now officially not the OS with the ugliest GUI anymore
I always thought 8 1/2, rio, acme and friends were more, uh, Amish UIs than ugly UIs, but to each his or her own. -J
Re: [9fans] An Observation
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:46 AM, David Leimbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dang, in a pinch I'll even eat at McDonalds... I think I booted McOS this morning -J
Re: [9fans] An Observation
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are those that say too many cooks spoil the broth. > > This isn't our problem. > > Our problem is that we have a kitchen full of food critics attempting > to direct the cooks. Is it good or bad that we keep eating at the same restaurant, despite the criticism? -Jack
Re: [9fans] Amazon EC2?
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Roman V. Shaposhnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Amazon prescreen the kernel that you can use there, but! > As was suggested by Richard Miller, if Plan9 can be > a target of kexec -- the sky is the limit. I thought I read they were using Xen? What's the relationship between kexec and Xen? -Jack
[9fans] Amazon EC2?
Has anyone tried injecting a Plan 9 instance into the new Amazon cloud? http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ -Jack
Re: [9fans] Time travel
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Make that "Get off of my Wifi!" Those crazy kids with their Hulu loops. -J
Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Blue Gene
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:10 AM, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the HPC world, there is lots of conservatism. There is an editor at > LANL, named Fred, written in Fortran, that has been in use for longer > than most of you have been alive. Until very recently, it was a > required part of any HPC system. Any guesses as to just how old Fred is? Or better yet, when is Fred's birthday? It seems like there should be a Ratfor to C translator in Plan 9, if only for nostalgia. -Jack
Re: [9fans] sad commentary
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Uriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That means that Plan 9 is like porn for hackers. > Now when can I get that on a t-shirt? :) -J
