RE: [abcusers] Accented characters in lyrics (abc2ps)
-Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Bernard Hill Envoyé : mardi 1 juillet 2003 09:56 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [abcusers] Accented characters in lyrics (abc2ps) [...] But this avoids the question of what *is* the character set? For the Americans £ (pound!) and Euro are extended characters yet of course for a European accented characters of all sorts are right there on the keyboard and are typed into the document! To make a Frenchman type \'a when it's a key on the keyboard is pretty strange, if not insulting! I am a French MS-WINDOWS user but I know that there is several character encoding systems on this planet even for latin alphabets, so I don't find that strange at all. Usage of TeX-like accented characters is in ABC from the beginning. It needs less typing than html so it's OK for me (yes, I'am a TeX/LaTeX user...). Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] Embro, Embro CD-ROM
Antialiasing is a feature you can turn off both in GhostView and in Acrobat Reader. Please learn to use the tools you discuss before writing long and useless comments. Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] Antialiasing
De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]De la part de John Chambers Envoyé : vendredi 14 juin 2002 15:25 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [abcusers] Antialiasing Christophe writes: | Antialiasing is a feature you can turn off both in GhostView and in | Acrobat Reader. | | Please learn to use the tools you discuss before writing long and | useless comments. Um, I think I'd strongly disagree with that. To paraphrase, First learn to use the abc tools, and then we'll asnwer your stupid questions about them. This is both facetious and insulting. Sorry for that, John, if you take it like that. I find PDF a good (if not perfect it's a lot better than GIF IMHO) format for document exchange and I found useful to say that to help users who want to exchange music with non abc litterate friends. Saying that PDF files coming from the *abc*2ps/GhostScript road are unreadable seems a little too much for me. Antialiasing is an especially awful subject. Most musicians won't have any clue what this means. Even if they've seen the word in one of the menus in the app they're using, they won't suspect that it has anything to do with why the music looks so awful. If they are familiar with the term from audio context, they still probably won't suspect that it's related to their problem. So I thought it could be useful to tell them to turn off antialiasing (for example, with GSVIEW 4.* on a Windows box, go to the Media/Display settings menu and set the Graphics Alpha to 1 bit). Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] page layout in abcm2ps - SOLVED
De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]De la part de Atte Andre Jensen Envoyé : lundi 10 juin 2002 09:07 À : abcusers mailing list Objet : Re: [abcusers] page layout in abcm2ps - SOLVED [...] Only thing: I don't have a file ps2pdfwr at all. Could the same be achieved by calling psdpdf with -sPAPERSIZE=a4 or something like that? Try gs -q -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sPAPERSIZE=a4 -sOUTPUTFILE=fo o.pdf foo.ps or on Win32 gswin32c -q -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE#pdfwrite -sPAPERSIZE#a4 -sOUTPUTF ILE#foo.pdf foo.ps It should work. N.B. Thomas Merz' GhostScript manual (http://www.pdflib.com/gsmanual/gs5man_e.pdf) is a good reference. Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: Re: [abcusers] The X: field
-Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]De la part de [EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : mercredi 6 mars 2002 15:43 [...] I guess my question about changing this would be is there a really compelling reason to change it? It seems to be useful. [...] Yes, it is. Just my two cents (of euro): abc is not only for one tune. It's also for tunebooks. So, a reference number for each tune is very useful if you want to index it, to make a table of contents or to print it (as the abc2ps family can do). Please let us keep it! Regards Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] Multiline footer and page number
Hi all!
-Message d'origine-
De : John Chambers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Envoyé : lundi 21 janvier 2002 05:09
À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Objet : Re: [abcusers] Multiline footer and page number
Jean-Francois writes:
| On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:36:56 -0300, Luis Pablo Gasparotto wrote:
| How can I create a footer with more than one line? Is
there some way to=20
| add page numbers like [title name] - [page number]?
|
| I think the question was for me (abcm2ps): the ABC people
don't bother
| about sheet footers! Well, I have it in my TODO list, but
it is not yet
| coded. Be patient...
Yeah; me too. I haven't yet learned enough about PS, but I suspect
there oughta be a way to take an arbitrary page and add headers and
footers independently. You could let abc*2ps produce the PS for the
music, and then wrap it in appropriate edge decorations.
[...]
It's easy (? anyway, it's the way I do it) if you both use abcm2ps and
pdfLaTeX:
- compile foo.abc to foo.ps with abcm2ps
- convert foo.ps to foo.pdf (for example with GhostScript)
- create document.tex with a call to the 'pdfpages' package to include
every page of foo.pdf in your final document. The call to the 'pdfpages'
package can have a 'pagecommand' option, for example to use a predefined
pagestyle with a header, a footer or what you want.
- compile document.tex to document.pdf and that's it...
A dummy example for document.tex:
\documentclass[a4paper, pdftex]{article}
% To get only page numbers in the footers
% If you want fancy headers and footers, use the 'fancyhdr' package
\usepackage[pagecommand=\thispagestyle{plain}]{pdfpages}
\begin{document}
% To include every page of 'foo.pdf'
\includepdf[pages==-]{foo.pdf}
\end{document}
It can look a little hard but IMHO it's a better idea to keep abcm2ps
for the music typesetting and let pdfLaTeX do any fancy pagesetup for
you (if I remember, Anselm Lingnau has beautiful examples of that sort
of things).
Hope it helps.
Christophe
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RE: [abcusers] square bracket notation
Hi, Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I downloaded a few files off the internet to test my parser. I think I understand everything that I see in the abc notation except for one thing: there are some lines that seem to start with a square bracket ([) but there is no closing bracket and it doesn't seem to be part of a chord. What's this supposed to do, and which tool supports it? If you build an ABC language parser, it could be a good idea to read at least the abc standard V1.6 (http://www.gre.ac.uk/~c.walshaw/abc2mtex/abc.txt), which says: --- First and second repeats First and second repeats can be generated with the symbols [1 and [2, e.g. faf gfe|[1 dfe dBA:|[2 d2e dcB|]. When adjacent to bar lines, these can be shortened to |1 and :|2, but with regard to spaces | [1 is legal, | 1 is not. --- It has not been modified in the proposed changes to the standard (http://abc.sourceforge.net/standard-propose.txt). Hope it helps. Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] Re: abcusers-digest V1 #575
De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mercredi 24 octobre 2001 18:47 What does this abc2ps do any way? Whenever I run it, there's just a little DOS window that flashes. Please read the docs! abc2ps is a command line tool: you must start a 'MS-DOS window' to use it. For example (if abs2ps.exe is in the c:\foo directory), type in that window something as 'c:\foo\abc2ps -h' to get some help. Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] abctab2ps on windows
Hi, Aidan De : aidan odonnell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : mercredi 17 octobre 2001 21:29 [...] Is there a tutorial out there or is anyone successfully producing lute tablature from abctab2ps on windows? Have a look at the abctab2ps homepage: http://lautengesellschaft.de/cdmm/ and especially at the user's guide: http://lautengesellschaft.de/cdmm/userguide/userguide.html and the FAQ: http://lautengesellschaft.de/cdmm/faq.html Christoph have made a good effort to make abctab2ps users'life easier. Hope it helps. Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] German H as an alternative to B
Hi, all!
-Message d'origine-
De : Anselm Lingnau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Envoyé : jeudi 30 août 2001 21:03
À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Objet : Re: [abcusers] German H as an alternative to B
[...]
Actually I've been playing off English-style music notation (with `B'
in place of `H') so much that I find it thoroughly disconcerting to
actually encounter music that says `H'. In fact all the German SCD
musicians I know use `B' for `H' in their own arrangements and
compositions for the sake of consistency. I for one will not shed a
single tear if ABC is kept completely `English' in that respect. In
fact I'm strongly in favour of the idea.
I don't know where the `H' abomination came in but I'm quite happy to
call it an error and idiocy, for the record. I do have a German
passport.
Yes, Anselm, I'll second you on that (with a French 'Do ré mi'
passport): 'H' is a fermata in ABC, period.
Don't forget a point though. Dimitri Schostakovich has based his
fantastic (IMHO) 8th quartet (and some other works) on a 'D^BCB'
pattern, from the german notes corresponding to the first letters of his
name ('DSCH'). So I would not call that an abomination...and yes, there
is also BACH (the art of the fugue...).
Christophe
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RE: [abcusers] German H as an alternative to B
-Message d'origine-
De : Christophe Declercq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Envoyé : vendredi 31 août 2001 11:22
À : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Objet : RE: [abcusers] German H as an alternative to B
Don't forget a point though. Dimitri Schostakovich has based his
fantastic (IMHO) 8th quartet (and some other works) on a 'D^BCB'
pattern, from the german notes corresponding to the first letters of
his name ('DSCH'). So I would not call that an abomination...and yes,
there is also BACH (the art of the fugue...).
Sorry for the (quasi-Freudian) typo: yes, it's a 'D^ECB' pattern. I hope
you saw the point...
Christophe
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RE: [abcusers] German H as an alternative to B
-Message d'origine- De : Christophe Declercq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 31 août 2001 11:35 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : RE: [abcusers] German H as an alternative to B -Message d'origine- De : Christophe Declercq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 31 août 2001 11:22 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : RE: [abcusers] German H as an alternative to B Arrgh, it's 'D_ECB'! To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
RE: [abcusers] linux only ?
De : James Allwright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 6 juillet 2001 14:03 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : [abcusers] linux only ? On Fri 06 Jul 2001 at 11:36AM +0200, Frank Nordberg wrote: 1. As far as I know both programs are single platform applications: BarFly is Mac only, and from Jean-Francois' site I gather that abcm2ps is Linux only. Unless it has changed radically since I last looked, it is a source code distribution that will compile and run on anything with a C compiler. Yes, it compiles seamlessly on my Windows 95 box with MinGW, the 'minimalist GNU for Windows' (http://www.mingw.org/): just 'cd' to the abcm2ps directory, 'make', 'make clean' and that's it. Maybe it needs someone to compile it with DJGPP and put the executable on the web. Eric Mrozek has a web page (http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~mrozek/abc/abc2ps.html) with a Windows port of abcm2ps, but the last update was on 16 October 2000 and there is only a very old 0.9.5 version of abcm2ps there. I have no web site but if somebody wants to test the compiled version I have and put it on his web site (Jean-François?), just ask me off list. BTW, did somebody try to use 'tclabc' (a tcl/tk interface to ABC) on Windows? Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] accents and other signs
Bonjour, Jean-François De : Jean-Francois Moine [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : [abcusers] accents and other signs Date : dimanche 1 juillet 2001 18:56 [...] I have some questions about the accents and other signs as defined in the ABC draft: - !open!, !snap! and !thumb! Could anybody tell to me what are the glyphs and the implementation rules for these signs? You could have at a look at 'Théorie de la musique' by A. DANHAUSER (Revised edition, 1996, Editions Henri Lemoine, Paris). As I understand it: - !open! is the symbol for (in French) 'harmoniques' on string instruments, and is a circle, see page 175 - !snap! is for (in French) 'pizz Bartok' on string instruments and is a circle with a vertical line crossing the circle and continuing up (if below the staff) or down (if above the staff) on about a half of the radius of the circle, see page 174 - I don't know anything about !thumb!, but I am a fiddler, not a cellist... [...] - !repeatbar!, !repeatbar2!, ... I think it is a kind of '%' meaning the previous measure shall be repeated, but I don't think it is an accent. Instead, it should be indicated as a regular music sign. Could it be 'R' or 'r' (repeat)? Don't forget that 'R' is (if not redefined by a 'U' statement) for the 'roll' symbol. Thanks a lot for your work on abcm2ps! Amitiés. Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] ABC standards committee webpage
-- De : Laura Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [abcusers] ABC standards committee webpage Date: vendredi 16 mars 2001 05:09 "Richard" == Richard L Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Richard How on earth do you create those pdf documents? From TeX: latex filename.tex dvips filename.dvi ps2pdf filename.ps filename.pdf Thanks to you and the committee for your work on the abc standard...but the PDF file is very ugly in Acrobat Reader. You should have used a more up to date version of GhostScript (5.50 is very old now and 6.0 does a better job) and type I PostScript fonts. (pdf)LaTeX is really a very elegant way to produce PDF documents. With the hyperref package, you can easily get a smart PDF with bookmarks, hyperlinks... If it can help, send me off list your tex source so I can show you a demo of that. BTW, why not starting from the 'usrguide.tex' in the abc2mtex distribution from Chris? Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] ABC standards committee webpage
De : Laura Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [abcusers] ABC standards committee webpage Date: vendredi 16 mars 2001 22:06 [...] Christophe If it can help, send me off list your tex source so I Christophe can show you a demo of that. OK, I'll have a look at it. Both the LaTeX file and the Makefile that produces the pdf file are in the SourceForge CVS repository. So if you want to make improvements, feel free. Christophe BTW, why not starting from the 'usrguide.tex' in the abc2mtex Christophe distribution from Chris? Because those aren't the recognized standard. They're a very good description of what abc2ps does, but that's not what we're aiming for. Not exactly, it is a description of what abc2mtex does. What I meant is: why not starting with that LaTeX file (it was a clean and well structured document) and modify it according to the evolving standard (if I remember, the old standard was a stripped down text version of that document)? Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] problems with the R: field
De : Pax [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : RE: [abcusers] problems with the R: field Date: dimanche 4 fvrier 2001 19:43 Hi All on the List With a truckload of respect I ask you to leave the R field alone. I use it all the time as I am only a new player of Irish Music and that field tells me whats what and when one has thousands of tunes one needs the R field. Most people would not know if a tune is an air or reel etc etc. Yes, R is a useful field. Please let it in the abc standard. Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
MusixTeX (was Re: [abcusers] abc2ps?)
Hi all! De : Laura Conrad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: samedi 20 janvier 2001 13:47 "Laurie" == Laurie Griffiths [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laurie Gianni Cunich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Laurie extolled the virtues of "MusixTex". Laurie If it really serves the purposes of many users, I am sure that Laurie it will soon come to dominate the scene, with or without Laurie pre-processors. No, you haven't looked at it. It won't dominate the scene if people have to type and edit it directly. You are right! [...] The big reason I can't tell you more from personal experience is that most of the music I'm interested in is vocal music, and you need a preprocessor to the preprocessor for that, which I've never managed to install correctly. I have M-Tx here on my Windows box and it's really easy to run. The language is easy (not that far from abc) and can use lyrics in an easy way. The M-tx - PMX - MusixTeX - dvips road can seem clumsy at first sight but, with a little batch script, it is very fast: anyway, faster and more reliable than Lilypond. I might add that abc2mtex was the original ABC application, as well as one of the early MusiXTeX preprocessors, so if you don't need the recently added features of ABC (like multiple voices and lyrics), you can experiment with MusiXTeX output without learning a new input language. Yes, but the note spacing algorithm in PMX is far more elegant. One of the reasons I'm encouraging this is that I'd really love it if someone would update abc2mtex to include the newer features. John Walsh has done some preliminary investigation, which is on my list to post the results of some day. Another route to investigate would be an abc2pmx translator. Perhaps, an abc2M-Tx would be simpler (for lyrics use). IMHO, as it is, abc is really better than PMX and M-Tx in 2 aspects: [1] easy note entry and easy reading: PMX and M-Tx use pitch coding relatively to the note before, which is sometimes fast to enter but is always harder to read and edit. [2] the database structure of tune files, to store, search... tunes. and, even if the current multiclones situation is not really easy to grasp for a beginning user, abc2ps makes direct postscript output (which makes beautiful PDF, an easy way to send tunes to non abc litterate music friends: they are still numerous). Type III fonts produced by MusixTeX take a lot of place (PDF file size) and are very ugly to read in the current state of Acrobat Reader. And the library of PS music symbols build by Methfessel for abc2ps is really not bad! Happy abcing! Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] eps output with abcm2ps
De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : ABC users mailinglist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : [abcusers] eps output with abcm2ps Date : dimanche 12 novembre 2000 14:38 Atte, I'm trying to get eps output using the -e option in abcm2ps, but it just seems to give me output of all songs in my file. I type something like: abcm2ps -E test.abc -e 1 Am I doing something wrong or it this feature broken? I am not sure for abc2mps (I don't have it) but with abc2ps your command line won't work. The -E option must come at end and after a -o option, like below: abc2ps test.abc -e 1 -oE That will put an 'Out001.eps' file in your current directory. Regards. Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Tuplets
De : John Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : [abcusers] Tuplets Date : samedi 28 octobre 2000 02:18 A triplet in abc2mtex is written (3abc; in abc2ps, it's ((3abc)---the slur has to be put in explicitly. (Technically, I don't think it's a slur--it's just a grouping symbol to catch the eye, and it's often denoted with an angular slur, instead of the usual curvy one. Question: do people ever write triplets without that slur mark? I have seen triplets written with slurs but also without and sometimes with something, as you said, like: _3_ | | over the notes As a fiddler, I would prefer to keep the syntax as it is in abc2ps, because grouping symbols catch the eye, as you said, but they catch my right arm (the bowing one) too. For example, bowings like [K:D][M:4/4][L:1/8] (3ab(c|d) are not unfrequent in Irish music. [...] Regards Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] free Finale
De : Frank Nordberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [abcusers] free Finale Date : vendredi 27 octobre 2000 22:24 [...] 5. Readability. I've already mentioned some factors that affect readability, such as the incorrect propotion between note head size and line spacing, and the slightly cramped allotment, but the overall scaling is far too small too. I'd hate to be force to sightread complex music printed from abc2ps. This seems to be a part of the general "early 20th century British trad. music" style. It seems the trend there was to try to get as much music as possible onto a page. That was, of course, done to reduce printing costs, and I'm pretty certain that it was the only way to publish something like the two O'Neill books at a reasonable price. It does, however make the notation ahrder to read, and also very vulnerable to print-quality reducing processes like photcopying, on-screen viewing and converting to web graphics. OK, abc2ps is not Finale and the abc2finale idea seems good if you want it (for my own usage, I would prefer an update of abc2mTeX). But, please be honest and read the doc (the userguide in the abctab2ps distribution is excellent) before speaking too loud. Changing symbols size is very easy with abc2ps. 6. Page design When it comes to adjusting the page design - the font, size and positioning of titles etc., the space between the staffs, all those text blocks you need... Well, there simply is no such thing in abc2ps. False. There is. As I said, read the doc. Oh, I suppose there is some obscure %% command that can do some of the job, but it's not nearly enough - and far too complicated in any case. Nothing complicated at all. Just read the doc (again) and learn to use it. BTW, I can understand that transcribing O'Neil's book doesn't let that much time to read the manuals ;) Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] Character encoding (was Re: ABC, AHC, Do-Re-Mi)
De : Phil Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [abcusers] Character encoding (was Re: ABC, AHC, Do-Re-Mi) Date : lundi 10 juillet 2000 10:08 Christophe Declerq wrote: De : Sigfrid Lundberg, Lub NetLab [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [abcusers] Re: ABC, AHC, Do-Re-Mi Date : dimanche 9 juillet 2000 20:22 Beware, the åäö are not escaped in this one. abc2ps works anyway. Is that a bug? abc2ps understands any character in iso latin-1 encoding (which is OK for Unix or Windows) **or** with TeX-style escape sequence (the only way for MacOS). I would call that a feature, though. That's what I thought, but actually Sigfried's text looks perfectly OK in BarFly under MacOS 9.0.4. I'm not absolutely sure that its correct, since I'm not that familiar with scandinavian letters, but at least all of the åäö come out as characters with diacritical marks rather than blocks and squiggles. Um, yes, but your E-mail client has probably translated the MIME specifications of Sigfrid's e-mail to MacOS encoding for you and so it works with BarFly, but try it with abc4mac now... Christophe To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
