Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[Dr. nisha singh]

dear Akhilesh,

do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know and
have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries but
this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always
available,

 by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any writer
who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would
have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind persons
want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make yourselves
a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak characters.
demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live in a
civil society.

akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the labour
and give it to pirates. sounds good??

stand against piracy.

nisha

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh  wrote:

> Thanks allot sir!!!
> The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher
> and writer is extremely good!!!
> This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read.
> This is the time when we must force our government to amend the
> copyright act 1957!!!
> Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and
> if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which
> they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it.
> Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping
> one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the
> continuation of that same help.
> Again I’d like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for
> these sorts of purposes.
> Thanks
> Akhilesh.
>
>
>
> On 10/8/09, nisha singh  wrote:
> > Dear prashant,
> >
> > scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law.
> if
> > you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all
> > his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in
> the
> > national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out
> of
> > his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some
> > responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do
> this.
> > i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy
> who
> > are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have
> > demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of
> > piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not force
> > you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way.
> Tharoor
> > is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such
> > agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community.
> >
> > nisha
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >> This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com.
> >> You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar
> >> Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing
> >> relations.
> >> You can search for this book by title or else look for "Shadows Across
> the
> >> Playing Field" in the recently uploaded books.
> >> Sorry authors and Mr. publisher  you see
> >> we have a right to read
> >> all published material
> >> at the same time
> >> at no extra cost
> >> and in a format accessible to us.
> >>
> >> I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were available.
> >>
> >> Prashant
> >>
> >>
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[AI] friends books urgently needed

[anil reddy]

 hi  how are you all,
i need two books very urgently please if any one of you has soft
copies of  the following

 1 anandh mat by bankim,

2 hindu wife and hindu nation by tanika sarkar

please send it to my I D

thanks inadvance
-- 
K. ANILREDDY,
M.A. POLITICAL SCIENCE,
SCHOOL OF SOCIAL SCIENCES,
ROOM N.O. 304,
MEN'S HOSTAL [C],
UNIVERSITY OF HYDERABAD,
GACHIBOWLI,
HYDERABAD,
500046.

MOBILE
9849479718,

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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[Dinesh Kaushal]

Scanning is not that hard, specially for plain text material.

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr. nisha singh
Sent: 08 October 2009 12:48 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

dear Akhilesh,

do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know and
have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries but
this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always
available,

 by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any writer
who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would
have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind persons
want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make yourselves
a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak characters.
demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live in a
civil society.

akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the labour
and give it to pirates. sounds good??

stand against piracy.

nisha

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh  wrote:

> Thanks allot sir!!!
> The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher
> and writer is extremely good!!!
> This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read.
> This is the time when we must force our government to amend the
> copyright act 1957!!!
> Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and
> if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which
> they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it.
> Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping
> one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the
> continuation of that same help.
> Again I'd like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for
> these sorts of purposes.
> Thanks
> Akhilesh.
>
>
>
> On 10/8/09, nisha singh  wrote:
> > Dear prashant,
> >
> > scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law.
> if
> > you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all
> > his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in
> the
> > national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out
> of
> > his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some
> > responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do
> this.
> > i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy
> who
> > are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have
> > demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of
> > piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not
force
> > you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way.
> Tharoor
> > is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such
> > agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community.
> >
> > nisha
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >> This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com.
> >> You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar
> >> Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing
> >> relations.
> >> You can search for this book by title or else look for "Shadows Across
> the
> >> Playing Field" in the recently uploaded books.
> >> Sorry authors and Mr. publisher  you see
> >> we have a right to read
> >> all published material
> >> at the same time
> >> at no extra cost
> >> and in a format accessible to us.
> >>
> >> I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were available.
> >>
> >> Prashant
> >>
> >>
> >> To unsubscribe send a message to
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> >>
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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Dear Dr. Nisha and others,
Well, I think comparison to Maoists and naxalists is misplaced, to say the 
least.
Taking life is altogether another thing.
Mind you, Even nelson Mandela had the plans to blow off property before being 
confined indefinitely, but he was against taking life needlessly.
I am of the opinion that life may be forfeited only to prevent future wanton 
acts of destruction, and to avenge past horrific acts of destruction.

Anyway, coming to the point, right to read, as being exercised by blind 
community is light years away from wanton killings and even vandalism.

I think a book is not primarily written for earning a livelihood, not at least 
in the present era.
Yes, it may be written for earning, but we are ready to pay if they provide it 
accessible format.
If they don't see a business sense in making the book accessible, then ideally 
speaking, they should not also be harmed by our petty acts of distributing 
accessible books.
Or else, if they are harmed, then it is a good way of making them aware that it 
makes business sense to provide accessible books.

E book industry, as a whole is, like music industry a decade ago, waking up to 
possibility of piracy and consequently finding legal means of distributing e 
books.
That should benefit us, I suppose.

Regards


Rajesh Asudani

Assistant General Manager (PPS),
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349
Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
John Milton


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr. nisha singh
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:48 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

dear Akhilesh,

do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know and
have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries but
this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always
available,

 by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any writer
who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would
have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind persons
want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make yourselves
a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak characters.
demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live in a
civil society.

akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the labour
and give it to pirates. sounds good??

stand against piracy.

nisha

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh  wrote:

> Thanks allot sir!!!
> The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher
> and writer is extremely good!!!
> This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read.
> This is the time when we must force our government to amend the
> copyright act 1957!!!
> Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and
> if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which
> they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it.
> Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping
> one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the
> continuation of that same help.
> Again I'd like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for
> these sorts of purposes.
> Thanks
> Akhilesh.
>
>
>
> On 10/8/09, nisha singh  wrote:
> > Dear prashant,
> >
> > scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law.
> if
> > you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all
> > his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in
> the
> > national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out
> of
> > his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some
> > responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do
> this.
> > i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy
> who
> > are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have
> > demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of
> > piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not force
> > you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way.
> Tharoor
> > is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such
> > agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community.
> >
> > nisha
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >> This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com.
> >> You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar
> >> Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing
> >> relations.
> >> You can search for this book by title or else look for "Shadows Across
> the
> >> Playing Field" in the recently uploaded boo

Re: [AI] friends books urgently needed

[akhilesh]

Hi Anil,
I've the second one I'll send it to you by tomorrow.
please waite...
thanks.


On 10/8/09, anil reddy  wrote:
>  hi  how are you all,
> i need two books very urgently please if any one of you has soft
> copies of  the following
>
>  1 anandh mat by bankim,
>
> 2 hindu wife and hindu nation by tanika sarkar
>
> please send it to my I D
>
> thanks inadvance
> --
> K. ANILREDDY,
> M.A. POLITICAL SCIENCE,
> SCHOOL OF SOCIAL SCIENCES,
> ROOM N.O. 304,
> MEN'S HOSTAL [C],
> UNIVERSITY OF HYDERABAD,
> GACHIBOWLI,
> HYDERABAD,
> 500046.
>
> MOBILE
> 9849479718,
>
> EMAIL [ID],
> kanilreddy@gmail.com
>
>
>
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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[Chetan Sharma]

That's well said Rajesh!
There can not  and of course,  should not be any parallels between maoist 
violence and distributing a book in accessible formats  for the benefit of 
visually impaired persons.  Yes, had prashant sold it to make money, that 
would have been unethical. Moreover,  I can list  hundreds  of books that 
have so far been shared on this platform without such issues. Why there is 
so much of outcry in case of Prashant only? I fully understand that two 
wrongs don't make one right but rules should be applicable to all persons 
without any discrimination and prejudice!



Regards,

Chetan Sharma
- Original Message - 
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field





Dear Dr. Nisha and others,
Well, I think comparison to Maoists and naxalists is misplaced, to say the 
least.

Taking life is altogether another thing.
Mind you, Even nelson Mandela had the plans to blow off property before 
being confined indefinitely, but he was against taking life needlessly.
I am of the opinion that life may be forfeited only to prevent future 
wanton acts of destruction, and to avenge past horrific acts of 
destruction.


Anyway, coming to the point, right to read, as being exercised by blind 
community is light years away from wanton killings and even vandalism.


I think a book is not primarily written for earning a livelihood, not at 
least in the present era.
Yes, it may be written for earning, but we are ready to pay if they 
provide it accessible format.
If they don't see a business sense in making the book accessible, then 
ideally speaking, they should not also be harmed by our petty acts of 
distributing accessible books.
Or else, if they are harmed, then it is a good way of making them aware 
that it makes business sense to provide accessible books.


E book industry, as a whole is, like music industry a decade ago, waking 
up to possibility of piracy and consequently finding legal means of 
distributing e books.

That should benefit us, I suppose.

Regards


Rajesh Asudani

Assistant General Manager (PPS),
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349
Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
John Milton


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr. nisha 
singh

Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:48 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

dear Akhilesh,

do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know and
have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries but
this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always
available,

by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any writer
who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would
have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind 
persons
want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make 
yourselves

a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak characters.
demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live in 
a

civil society.

akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the labour
and give it to pirates. sounds good??

stand against piracy.

nisha

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh  wrote:


Thanks allot sir!!!
The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher
and writer is extremely good!!!
This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read.
This is the time when we must force our government to amend the
copyright act 1957!!!
Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and
if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which
they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it.
Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping
one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the
continuation of that same help.
Again I'd like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for
these sorts of purposes.
Thanks
Akhilesh.



On 10/8/09, nisha singh  wrote:
> Dear prashant,
>
> scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the 
> law.

if
> you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all
> his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in
the
> national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are 
> out

of
> his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives 
> some

> responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do
this.
> i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft 
> copy

who
> are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have
> demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of
> piracy. i bel

Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[Mukesh Sharma]

Are we revolting? 
If the author do not provide book in accessible format, do we have the full
right to scan and upload them? 
Every time we need something, we look for alternative (Jugar) or free
solution! 
Why not to start a discussion and lets try forming an opinion (this would
certainly help every one the next time contacting an author / publisher to
provide book in accessible format.

My Few questions for the starter.
1. Do you think, we (Reading Disabled only) have the right to scan / record
/ convert book in accessible format for our personal use?
1.1. If Yes, can we give it to some one (reading Disabled) for their
personal use?
1.1.1. If no, Why every time one has to invest a lot of labor and time to
convert same book just to be sure of not infringing Copyright?
1.1.2. If yes, who will ensure that the book is not passed to non reading
disabled?
1.2 If No, then whose responsibility is to provide us (reading disabled)
book in accessible format?

They are just my confusion hence seeking opinion and not trying to indulge
in ...
Looking forward to hear from eminent leaders of the group specially
bookshare, DAISY, Law, Disability and Book bole representatives.
Thanks
Mukesh





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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:02 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field



Dear Dr. Nisha and others,
Well, I think comparison to Maoists and naxalists is misplaced, to say the
least.
Taking life is altogether another thing.
Mind you, Even nelson Mandela had the plans to blow off property before
being confined indefinitely, but he was against taking life needlessly.
I am of the opinion that life may be forfeited only to prevent future wanton
acts of destruction, and to avenge past horrific acts of destruction.

Anyway, coming to the point, right to read, as being exercised by blind
community is light years away from wanton killings and even vandalism.

I think a book is not primarily written for earning a livelihood, not at
least in the present era.
Yes, it may be written for earning, but we are ready to pay if they provide
it accessible format.
If they don't see a business sense in making the book accessible, then
ideally speaking, they should not also be harmed by our petty acts of
distributing accessible books.
Or else, if they are harmed, then it is a good way of making them aware that
it makes business sense to provide accessible books.

E book industry, as a whole is, like music industry a decade ago, waking up
to possibility of piracy and consequently finding legal means of
distributing e books.
That should benefit us, I suppose.

Regards


Rajesh Asudani

Assistant General Manager (PPS),
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349
Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
John Milton


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr. nisha singh
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:48 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

dear Akhilesh,

do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know and
have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries but
this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always
available,

 by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any writer
who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would
have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind persons
want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make yourselves
a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak characters.
demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live in a
civil society.

akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the labour
and give it to pirates. sounds good??

stand against piracy.

nisha

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh  wrote:

> Thanks allot sir!!!
> The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher 
> and writer is extremely good!!!
> This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read.
> This is the time when we must force our government to amend the 
> copyright act 1957!!!
> Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and 
> if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which 
> they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it.
> Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping 
> one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the 
> continuation of that same help.
> Again I'd like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for 
> these sorts of purposes.
> Thanks
> Akhilesh.
>
>
>
> On 10/8/09, nisha singh  wrote:
> > Dear pra

Re: [AI] about jaws 10.00

[Kamal Verma]

Hello,

Delete the sub-folder 'activator' resident in freedomscientific.

Thanks.

Kamal Verma
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From: "sanjeev kumar" 

To: "accessindia" 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:01 AM
Subject: [AI] about jaws 10.00



hai listed members,
I am using jaws 10.00 but I have few problems in using it,
first when I start my computer a message comes activate jaws by going
in to the help menu,though I have pasted the the required files at the
respective place.

second I am not able to send mails through yahoo,

third when I was using jaws 7.0 I used to go to next para by using P
but is is not same with this.

please suggest me some solution
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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Well, mukesh,
in my opinion, answers to your questions1 and 1.1 are in the affirmative.
Question of non-reading disabled does not arise, as the only motive in that 
case is earning money by selling such a free e copy.
Now, earning money in that way is pretty difficult, as people do not want to 
read a book on computer monitor, and taking printouts and selling would hardly 
make financial sense.
However, if there is any such motive of earning money, it totally prohibited, 
and in fact, only for that such huge copy right laws exist.
Otherwise, scanning for personal use is fully warranted, and in fact, it is 
taking extra efforts to avail what is available to a sighted person easily 
after purchasing a book. to clarify, even after purchasing, we get a hard copy 
which we have to scan,.
It is precisely to save such duplication of scanning efforts and promote ease 
of reading that e books are distributed to disabled by other disabled or even 
non-disabled.
In this there is loss to publishers but it is minimal.
It is minimal because they don't see business sense in making material 
accessible.
Moreover, if you require every disabled reader of e books to pay up, only a 
fraction of those can actually pay and would read the book in any case.
So, this is also promoting reading of books and their reach. At least the ideas 
contained them would reach the larger audience.
Publishing is not like selling air conditioners motivated solely profit.
It is a noble enterprise further the journey of ideas and thoughts.
In that journey we the disabled are helping the authors and publishers.
If the authors and publishers are solely greedy for profits, as it seems they 
are, then they should see the sense in making material accessible, or else, I 
at least, am ready and willing to openly distribute and scan the books to any 
body who is interested in them.

If it is revolt, let be revolutionaries
Regards

Rajesh Asudani

Assistant General Manager (PPS),
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mukesh Sharma
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:36 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

Are we revolting?
If the author do not provide book in accessible format, do we have the full
right to scan and upload them?
Every time we need something, we look for alternative (Jugar) or free
solution!
Why not to start a discussion and lets try forming an opinion (this would
certainly help every one the next time contacting an author / publisher to
provide book in accessible format.

My Few questions for the starter.
1. Do you think, we (Reading Disabled only) have the right to scan / record
/ convert book in accessible format for our personal use?
1.1. If Yes, can we give it to some one (reading Disabled) for their
personal use?
1.1.1. If no, Why every time one has to invest a lot of labor and time to
convert same book just to be sure of not infringing Copyright?
1.1.2. If yes, who will ensure that the book is not passed to non reading
disabled?
1.2 If No, then whose responsibility is to provide us (reading disabled)
book in accessible format?

They are just my confusion hence seeking opinion and not trying to indulge
in ...
Looking forward to hear from eminent leaders of the group specially
bookshare, DAISY, Law, Disability and Book bole representatives.
Thanks
Mukesh





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Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 1:02 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field



Dear Dr. Nisha and others,
Well, I think comparison to Maoists and naxalists is misplaced, to say the
least.
Taking life is altogether another thing.
Mind you, Even nelson Mandela had the plans to blow off property before
being confined indefinitely, but he was against taking life needlessly.
I am of the opinion that life may be forfeited only to prevent future wanton
acts of destruction, and to avenge past horrific acts of destruction.

Anyway, coming to the point, right to read, as being exercised by blind
community is light years away from wanton killings and even vandalism.

I think a book is not primarily written for earning a livelihood, not at
least in the present era.
Yes, it may be written for earning, but we are ready to pay if they provide
it accessible format.
If they don't see a business sense in making the book accessible, then
ideally speaking, they should not also be harmed by our petty acts of
distributing accessible books.
Or else, if they are harmed, then it is a good way of making them aware that
it makes business sense to provide accessible books.

E book industry, as a whole is, like m

[AI] Mobile phone advice

[George Abraham]

Hi folks,

A friend wants to buy a cell phone which would work with talks. With models 
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advice him.  Can someone point me towards a good phone that works with talks 
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Re: [AI] SBI again

[Vikas Kapoor]

In any case, in order to be able to check your balance, you need not to 
enter the profile password. This password is used whenever you want to add, 
modify or delete your third party account and when you make a payment to 
third party in case you don't wish to use the high security option.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Geetha Shamanna" 
To: "Access india" 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:11 PM
Subject: [AI] SBI again


Hi all,

Although I have had an SBI account for nearly a year now, I have still not
succeeded in accessing the account online. There are two types of passswords
that it asks for, and I am unable to get past the second type of password,
called the profile password. Although this password was issued by SBI, it
does not seem to work.

Would greatly appreciate it if any of the SBI vetrans on the list could get
in touch with me privately and walk me through the procedure. I haven't
checked my account balance for a year now.

Thanks.
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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[Subramani L]

Piracy, in the strictest interpretation of the term, would definitely
qualify as violence, but are we pirates? Oh no, we don't hijack ships?
So we are not the kind you think? We are people who don't mind paying
for self respect, but only request is this: make books accessible. If
that is not legitimate and probably civil way of asking for one's right,
then I don't quite understand what exactly you mean. If someone is going
to understand my needs only if he/she realises that someone is scanning
books, let them understand the requirements of people who are ready to
pay and then act accordingly. 

Comparison with Maoists and Naxalites who believe in blowing their way
into the corridors of power, is not appropriate in this case I think. 

Subramani  
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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr. nisha
singh
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:48 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

dear Akhilesh,

do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know
and
have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries
but
this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always
available,

 by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any
writer
who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would
have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind
persons
want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make
yourselves
a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak
characters.
demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live
in a
civil society.

akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the
labour
and give it to pirates. sounds good??

stand against piracy.

nisha

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh 
wrote:

> Thanks allot sir!!!
> The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher
> and writer is extremely good!!!
> This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read.
> This is the time when we must force our government to amend the
> copyright act 1957!!!
> Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and
> if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which
> they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it.
> Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping
> one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the
> continuation of that same help.
> Again I'd like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for
> these sorts of purposes.
> Thanks
> Akhilesh.
>
>
>
> On 10/8/09, nisha singh  wrote:
> > Dear prashant,
> >
> > scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the
law.
> if
> > you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given
all
> > his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published
in
> the
> > national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are
out
> of
> > his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives
some
> > responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you
do
> this.
> > i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft
copy
> who
> > are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have
> > demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not
of
> > piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not
force
> > you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way.
> Tharoor
> > is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one
such
> > agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind
community.
> >
> > nisha
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma

> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >> This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com.
> >> You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and
Shaharyar
> >> Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing
> >> relations.
> >> You can search for this book by title or else look for "Shadows
Across
> the
> >> Playing Field" in the recently uploaded books.
> >> Sorry authors and Mr. publisher  you see
> >> we have a right to read
> >> all published material
> >> at the same time
> >> at no extra cost
> >> and in a format accessible to us.
> >>
> >> I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were
available.
> >>
> >> Prashant
> >>
> >>
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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[Subramani L]

Remember the story of the crane and the wolf? The wolf inviting the
crane for dinner and provided the food in a flat plate which the ccrane
cannot eat with a long and sharp beak? I don't support illegal copying
of books, as someone who belong to the newspaper industry, but if the
question is accessibility, why not the esteemed Minister of State for
External Affairs can do it? After all, he was the former UN under
secretary and surely he would have learnt of acccessiblity issues, is it
not? 

Subramani 



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[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh
Kaushal
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:04 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

Isn't it equal to piracy?

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[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of nisha singh
Sent: 08 October 2009 09:49 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

Dear prashant,

scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law.
if
you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all
his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in
the
national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out
of
his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some
responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do
this.
i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy
who
are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have
demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of
piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not
force
you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way.
Tharoor
is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such
agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community.

nisha

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma 
wrote:

> Dear all,
> This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com.
> You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and
Shaharyar
> Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing
relations.
> You can search for this book by title or else look for "Shadows Across
the
> Playing Field" in the recently uploaded books.
> Sorry authors and Mr. publisher  you see
> we have a right to read
> all published material
> at the same time
> at no extra cost
> and in a format accessible to us.
>
> I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were
available.
>
> Prashant
>
>
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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[Subramani L]

Correct. Imagine if they do the same thing with food? Just because
thieving is wrong, we can't starve since the government is not
addressing our rightful need to eat like anyone else! After all, we are
not passing it on to a multitude of persons who can otherwise walk up to
a store and pay for his or her copy? We are distributing to those who
actually cannot read. May be we just need to be politically correct and
distribute it off the list. Come on folks, be smart!! Why this
discussion. We do things only if our understanding of ethics says it is
right! And in this instance I don't think our conscience is going to
hurt terribly just because a few folks who otherwise would not have
appreciated Tharur are reading his work now!! 

Subramani 



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[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of akhilesh
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:24 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

Thanks allot sir!!!
The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher
and writer is extremely good!!!
This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read.
This is the time when we must force our government to amend the
copyright act 1957!!!
Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and
if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which
they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it.
Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping
one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the
continuation of that same help.
Again I'd like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for
these sorts of purposes.
Thanks
Akhilesh.



On 10/8/09, nisha singh  wrote:
> Dear prashant,
>
> scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the
law. if
> you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all
> his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in
the
> national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are
out of
> his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives
some
> responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do
this.
> i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft
copy who
> are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have
> demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of
> piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not
force
> you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way.
Tharoor
> is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one
such
> agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community.
>
> nisha
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma 
wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>> This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com.
>> You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and
Shaharyar
>> Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing
>> relations.
>> You can search for this book by title or else look for "Shadows
Across the
>> Playing Field" in the recently uploaded books.
>> Sorry authors and Mr. publisher  you see
>> we have a right to read
>> all published material
>> at the same time
>> at no extra cost
>> and in a format accessible to us.
>>
>> I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were
available.
>>
>> Prashant
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[YADAV, D. N]

Are we all acting Parliamentarians here discussing promulgation & violation of 
law & legalities?  I understand we are here to read & share.  Let's leave 
anything else regarding copyright laws to law-makers.  Let's not be highly 
principled here so much so that it deprives us the essentials of 
practicalities.  Also let anybody other than VI community raise the issue.


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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[Dinesh Kaushal]

By that rule discussion about cracked software should also be allowed.


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Sent: 08 October 2009 05:07 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

Are we all acting Parliamentarians here discussing promulgation & violation
of law & legalities?  I understand we are here to read & share.  Let's leave
anything else regarding copyright laws to law-makers.  Let's not be highly
principled here so much so that it deprives us the essentials of
practicalities.  Also let anybody other than VI community raise the issue.


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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Well, I think, if there is practical apprehension of getting apprehended, then 
it should be banned otherwise not.
Be it books or software.
However, I think, stakes of legal action are more in case of software than 
books.


Rajesh Asudani

Assistant General Manager (PPS),
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
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Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
John Milton


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To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

By that rule discussion about cracked software should also be allowed.


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Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

Are we all acting Parliamentarians here discussing promulgation & violation
of law & legalities?  I understand we are here to read & share.  Let's leave
anything else regarding copyright laws to law-makers.  Let's not be highly
principled here so much so that it deprives us the essentials of
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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[Subramani L]

In the case of book the idea is not to acct in breech of law, but to
draw the attention towards inaccessibility of knowledge. I think it is
Article 24 of Indian constitution that guarantees right to life, which,
those arguing for changing copyright laws, are saying is not possible
without a person exercising his basic right to read and write. Even
UNCRPD asks for suitable changes to copyright laws. We can't cite any of
these thingswhen it comes to disapproving usage of software. 




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[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani,
Rajesh
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

Well, I think, if there is practical apprehension of getting
apprehended, then it should be banned otherwise not.
Be it books or software.
However, I think, stakes of legal action are more in case of software
than books.


Rajesh Asudani

Assistant General Manager (PPS),
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349
Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
John Milton


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Kaushal
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

By that rule discussion about cracked software should also be allowed.


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Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

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Re: [AI] SBI again

[V. Jayakumar]

SBI has some issue...can only be solved by sitting down with your bank
manager and doing the first login from bank computer...I have the same
problem. Went through 2 ids!

2009/10/8 Geetha Shamanna 

> Hi all,
>
> Although I have had an SBI account for nearly a year now, I have still not
> succeeded in accessing the account online. There are two types of
> passswords
> that it asks for, and I am unable to get past the second type of password,
> called the profile password. Although this password was issued by SBI, it
> does not seem to work.
>
> Would greatly appreciate it if any of the SBI vetrans on the list could get
> in touch with me privately and walk me through the procedure. I haven't
> checked my account balance for a year now.
>
> Thanks.
> Geetha
>
>
>
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Re: [AI] recommendations for changing disability law

[V. Jayakumar]

Hi Rajesh,
Do get in touch with this group "Disability Legislation Unit" from South
India so all efforts towards a more comprehensive Act are
co-ordinated...will have a more significant impact on representation.

Their email address is dlu.so...@gmail.com

2009/10/7 Asudani, Rajesh 

> My dear AccessIndians
>
> Do say something on the recommendations sent earlier.
> I have received but one response on my personal ID.
> I think silence is the worst crime, when it is our paramount duty to speak
> up.
> Maybe, we won't be heard, maybe, they will throw our suggestions in
> dustbin, maybe, they will incorporate a fraction of these, but we must
> suggest something, for it shows that we also think.
>
> "I too call myself I", said Kamala Das.
> So, do at least express agreement or disagreement, indifference is
> deadening.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Rajesh Asudani
>
> Assistant General Manager (PPS),
> Reserve Bank of India
> Nagpur
> 09420397185
> O: 0712 2806676
> Res: 0712 2591349
> Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
> John Milton
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:
> accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:37 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: [AI] recommendations for changing disability law
>
> Friends
> I, after workshop at Pune, and receiving some suggestion, have arrived at
> following recommendations to be submitted to MSJE for effecting changes
> being contemplated in disability act or going in for a new law.
> I know I  have omitted a few areas or my perspective may not be balanced
> for all disabilities as I don't have firsthand experience of other
> disability than visual.
> So, please go through recommendations and suggest any modifications and
> inclusions so that we may finalize them and send in through e mails to MSJE
> and other relevant bodies and persons at the earliest.
> Cooperation is highly required and appreciated.
>
> Recommendations follow:
>
> " Serial No.   Topic
> Recommendation
> 1.Definition   Be aligned to UNCRPD, Rational
> quantification-into mild and severe and not percentage wise.
>
> 2  Mainstreaming disability Implementing bodies be
> made more representative of disabled. All constitutional bodies to have at
> least one disabled representative. Articles 15 & 16 of Constitution be
> amended to Prohibit discrimination on basis of disability per se. Disability
> budgeting on lines of gender budgeting be implemented.
> Art. 17 of constitution be amended to wipe practice of disability
> exclusion.
> 3  Strong Statutes:
>Prevention of atrocities act for disabled On the lines of SC
> atrocity prevention act, be enacted
> Abusing in the name of disability be declared an offence.
>
> 4  Right to Life:
>Cost of all corrective steps for disability
> Like Keratoplasty cochlear implants
> Be born by government Cornea after death
> Be declared "National resource"
> Free from any private encumbrance.
>
> 5  Inclusive Education
>Extending free and compulsory education to disabled children
> Till the age of 18. Setting right the glaring omission of Central
> Government. Affording legitimate assistance to special schools Fostering
> inclusive educational ambience at the same time. Training all teachers to
> teach disabled children as well. Giving disability scholarships in addition
> to, and not in lieu of, other benefits, Making study material available in
> suitable alternative format.
> Reasonable accommodation be provided in education.
>
> 6  Exercising legal capacity-scribe A uniform scribe policy-the
> need of the hour.
> Discretion of candidate to bring the scribe or accept that provided Only
> warranted.
>  Preconditions like juniority if from same streem be imposed. Competence to
> be ensured when scribe requested. No arbitrary conditions/changes/denials of
> scribes justified.
> Interpreters to hearing disabled to be provided wherever required.
> 7  Govt. schemes  Disability be factored in while making any
> scheme.
> All existing government schemes be evaluated from disability perspective
> continuously.
> Disability audit of schemes mandatory.
>
> 8  Quantum of reservation
>Be enhanced to 5% /6% To reflect the actual proportion of
> disabled in population.
>
> 9  Categorization  Different categories of severely and mildly
> disabled for at least reservation be carved out.
>
> 10   Detrimental act of state governments   Rationale of
> Disability legislation falling under concurrent list, so Central law
> prevailing unless state law assented to, or PWD Act enacted Under article
> 253, be employed to negate varied state interpretations harmful to disabled
> and uniformity be brought in implementation of disability legislation.
>
> 11   Reservat

Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[Mahesh Panicker]

the question here is about accessiblity, available and affordability. very
few publishers come out with electronic editions of their publications. even
those who do, do it at a very high cost, that is often 10 times of the hard
copies. not many major libraries, including that of universites have their
books available in e format. while nondisabled students get the chance to
read thing easily and freely, the visually challenged are deprived. in this
case, our impairment deprive us of reading and understanding. scanning is a
dificult task, involving lot more investment of time unlike buying the hard
copy and reading.
you don't need to Naxels. Gandhi has said that you should not submit to laws
that atr not moral. depriving me because I am impairment is immoral, and I
don't care about any such laws.
regards.



On 10/8/09, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>
> Well, I think, if there is practical apprehension of getting apprehended,
> then it should be banned otherwise not.
> Be it books or software.
> However, I think, stakes of legal action are more in case of software than
> books.
>
>
> Rajesh Asudani
>
> Assistant General Manager (PPS),
> Reserve Bank of India
> Nagpur
> 09420397185
> O: 0712 2806676
> Res: 0712 2591349
> Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
> John Milton
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:
> accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:49 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
>
> By that rule discussion about cracked software should also be allowed.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. N
> Sent: 08 October 2009 05:07 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
>
> Are we all acting Parliamentarians here discussing promulgation & violation
> of law & legalities?  I understand we are here to read & share.  Let's
> leave
> anything else regarding copyright laws to law-makers.  Let's not be highly
> principled here so much so that it deprives us the essentials of
> practicalities.  Also let anybody other than VI community raise the issue.
>
>
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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[Mahesh Panicker]

the issue of software is a touch diferent. softwares are expensive, but that
is the case for all individuals. as disabled, there is no additional
discrimination against us. there is no question of discrimination. although
in saying this, one has to also see that the quality screen reades are quite
expensive, and only people with accessibility needs have to use them.

On 10/8/09, Mahesh Panicker  wrote:
>
> the question here is about accessiblity, available and affordability. very
> few publishers come out with electronic editions of their publications. even
> those who do, do it at a very high cost, that is often 10 times of the hard
> copies. not many major libraries, including that of universites have their
> books available in e format. while nondisabled students get the chance to
> read thing easily and freely, the visually challenged are deprived. in this
> case, our impairment deprive us of reading and understanding. scanning is a
> dificult task, involving lot more investment of time unlike buying the hard
> copy and reading.
> you don't need to Naxels. Gandhi has said that you should not submit to
> laws that atr not moral. depriving me because I am impairment is immoral,
> and I don't care about any such laws.
> regards.
>
>
>
> On 10/8/09, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>>
>> Well, I think, if there is practical apprehension of getting apprehended,
>> then it should be banned otherwise not.
>> Be it books or software.
>> However, I think, stakes of legal action are more in case of software than
>> books.
>>
>>
>> Rajesh Asudani
>>
>> Assistant General Manager (PPS),
>> Reserve Bank of India
>> Nagpur
>> 09420397185
>> O: 0712 2806676
>> Res: 0712 2591349
>> Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
>> John Milton
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:
>> accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal
>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:49 PM
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
>>
>> By that rule discussion about cracked software should also be allowed.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of YADAV, D. N
>> Sent: 08 October 2009 05:07 PM
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
>>
>> Are we all acting Parliamentarians here discussing promulgation &
>> violation
>> of law & legalities?  I understand we are here to read & share.  Let's
>> leave
>> anything else regarding copyright laws to law-makers.  Let's not be highly
>> principled here so much so that it deprives us the essentials of
>> practicalities.  Also let anybody other than VI community raise the issue.
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[sandeep singh]

Hi,
We are not supposed to ask for books on the list, as far as I 
remember. Then why all these comments on a book that again, as far as 
I can think, which is posted on a site. Anyone who wishes to read can 
download it from there.

Regards,
Sandeep
At 12:55 PM 08-10-09, you wrote:

Scanning is not that hard, specially for plain text material.

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[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dr. nisha singh
Sent: 08 October 2009 12:48 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

dear Akhilesh,

do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know and
have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries but
this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always
available,

 by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any writer
who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would
have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind persons
want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make yourselves
a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak characters.
demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live in a
civil society.

akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the labour
and give it to pirates. sounds good??

stand against piracy.

nisha

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh  wrote:

> Thanks allot sir!!!
> The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher
> and writer is extremely good!!!
> This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read.
> This is the time when we must force our government to amend the
> copyright act 1957!!!
> Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and
> if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which
> they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it.
> Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping
> one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the
> continuation of that same help.
> Again I'd like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for
> these sorts of purposes.
> Thanks
> Akhilesh.
>
>
>
> On 10/8/09, nisha singh  wrote:
> > Dear prashant,
> >
> > scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law.
> if
> > you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all
> > his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in
> the
> > national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out
> of
> > his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some
> > responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do
> this.
> > i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy
> who
> > are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have
> > demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of
> > piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not
force
> > you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way.
> Tharoor
> > is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such
> > agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community.
> >
> > nisha
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >> This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com.
> >> You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar
> >> Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing
> >> relations.
> >> You can search for this book by title or else look for "Shadows Across
> the
> >> Playing Field" in the recently uploaded books.
> >> Sorry authors and Mr. publisher  you see
> >> we have a right to read
> >> all published material
> >> at the same time
> >> at no extra cost
> >> and in a format accessible to us.
> >>
> >> I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were available.
> >>
> >> Prashant
> >>
> >>
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Re: [AI] Mobile phone advice

[V. Jayakumar]

Hi George,
I have a Nokia e51 which is a great business phone with terrific features
given its comparatively modest price.

Pls find below all Symbian 60/Symbian 80 phones compatible with Nuance
Talks...you could follow the links

Vaishnavi

  List of Phones

   - Nuance TALKS for Series
60
   - Nuance TALKS for Series
80

Nuance TALKS for Series 60

   - Nokia 
3230
   - Nokia 
3250
   - Nokia 5320
XpressMusic
   - Nokia 
5500
   - Nokia 
5700
   - Nokia 6110
Navigator
   - Nokia 
6120C
   - Nokia 
6121C
   - Nokia 6124 Classic 
   - Nokia 6210
Navigator
   - Nokia 6220
Classic
   - Nokia 
6260
   - Nokia 
6290
   - Nokia 
6600
(except
   6600 Fold or 6600 Slide)
   - Nokia 
6620
   - Nokia 
6630
   - Nokia 6650 
   - Nokia 
6670
   - Nokia 
6680
   - Nokia 
6681
   - Nokia 
6682
   - Nokia 
7610
(except
   7610 Supernova)
   - Nokia 
E50
   - Nokia 
E51
   - Nokia 
E60
   - Nokia 
E61
   - Nokia 
E61i
   - Nokia 
E62
   - Nokia 
E65
   - Nokia 
E66
   - Nokia 
E70
   - Nokia 
E71
   - Nokia 
E90
   - Nokia 
N70
   - Nokia 
N71
   - Nokia 
N72
   - Nokia 
N73
   - Nokia 
N75
   - Nokia 
N76
   - Nokia 
N78
   - Nokia 
N79
   - Nokia 
N80
   - Nokia N81/ N81
8GB
   - Nokia 
N82
   - Nokia 
N85
   - Nokia 
N90
   - Nokia 
N91
   - Nokia N95 / N95
8GB
   - Nokia 
N96
   - Samsung 
SGH-D720

Re: [AI] After 15 yrs of trying, deaf candidate gets into IAS

[Vamshi. G]

Yes, Rajesh sir.  You have hit the nail right on the head.

In the present case , Mr. Maniram had to undergo a costly surgery to
get himself eligible for the IAS post.  What if someone can't afford
such surgeries?  Or what if the surgery fails? Or what if some
disability doesn't have a surgery to improve the condition?

So, as Rajesh sir rightly mentioned in his recommendations to the PWD
Act, there should be categorisation of disability into mild and
severe.  And the reservation should be implemented in some proportion.
 Say if the reservation is 1%, 0.75% should be reserved for severely
disabled and 0.25% should be reserved for mildly disabled,(the ratio
subject to changes).  And even in such categories, the percentage of
disability should be given weights in order to make it more accurate.


-- 
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Mobile: +91 9949349497
E-mail ID:
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God helps those who help themselves



On 10/8/09, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
> After 15 yrs of trying, deaf candidate gets into IAS
> Rema Nagarajan , TNN 8 October 2009, 12:39am IST
> Times of India:
>
>
> NEW DELHI: Maniram Sharma has won a 15-year-old battle for justice. On
> Thursday, this deaf IAS candidate learnt he has made it to the service. With
> this, Maniram has not just won a personal battle but a milestone victory for
> disabled persons like him who have been kept away from the premier
> government service.
>
> Maniram's case has been highlighted by TOI over the past couple of years -
> how his efforts were thwarted on one ground or the other, till he finally
> went through surgery to make his aided hearing so good that he gave his IAS
> interview this time by the oral question-and-answer method. Despite this,
> his induction into the service was just not happening.
>
> While other successful candidates got their call on August 17, he didn't.
> Finally, on September 3 he was informed that he had cleared the exam on all
> counts but still had to wait for another month to get his appointment. ``I
> still can't believe it has happened. It has not sunk in. After suffering so
> many disappointments, it's difficult to imagine it has actually come true,''
> Maniram told TOI.
>
> Maniram's IAS saga began in 1995 when he failed in his first attempt to
> clear the preliminary examination. He was then 100% deaf. Since then he has
> cleared the exam three times - 2005, 2006 and 2009. In 2006, he was told he
> could not be allotted the IAS as only the partially deaf were eligible, not
> fully deaf persons like him. So, he was allotted the Post and Telegraph
> Accounts and Finance Service.
>
> To improve his hearing, Maniram had a surgical cochlear implant, costing Rs
> 7.5 lakh that now enables him to hear partially. He appeared for the IAS
> again this year and cleared it, scoring the highest in the hearing-impaired
> category. Yet, he faced several more hurdles as the government put technical
> hurdles questioning his level of disability.
>
> Anyway, this story has a happy ending. And Maniram has no complaints. ``If I
> could wait for 15 years, I could surely wait for a few more months. But the
> uncertainty kept me on edge,'' he said without rancour. He is off to his
> village Badangarhi in Alwar district, Rajasthan, to convey the news to his
> family. ``I have decided to go in person to tell them. My whole village will
> celebrate.''
>
> Maniram's Badangarhi is a remote village which doesn't even have a school.
> He started losing his hearing at the age of five, becoming totally deaf by
> nine. His parents, both illiterate farm labourers, could do little to help.
> Yet, Maniram continued trudging to the nearest school, 5km away, and cleared
> class 10 standing fifth in the state board examination and cleared class 12
> ranking seventh in the state board.
>
> In his second year in college, he cleared the Rajasthan Public Service
> Commission (RPSC) examination to become a clerk-cum-typist. He studied and
> worked during his final year and topped the university in Political Science.
> He went on to clear the NET (National Eligibility Test).
>
> He then gave up his RPSC job and became a lecturer. Not satisfied with that,
> he became a Junior Research Fellow and completed his Ph.D in Political
> Science during which time he taught M Phil and MA students in Rajasthan
> University. Having completed his Ph.D, Maniram got through the Rajasthan
> Administrative Service (RAS) and while in service he started trying for the
> UPSC.
>
>
> Rajesh Asudani
>
> Assistant General Manager (PPS),
> Reserve Bank of India
> Nagpur
> 09420397185
> O: 0712 2806676
> Res: 0712 2591349
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> John Milton
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Re: [AI] Mobile phone advice

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On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:38 PM, V. Jayakumar
wrote:

> Hi George,
> I have a Nokia e51 which is a great business phone with terrific features
> given its comparatively modest price.
>
> Pls find below all Symbian 60/Symbian 80 phones compatible with Nuance
> Talks...you could follow the links
>
> Vaishnavi
>
>  List of Phones
>
>   - Nuance TALKS for Series
> 60
>   - Nuance TALKS for Series
> 80
>
>Nuance TALKS for Series 60
>
>   - Nokia 3230<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=57>
>   - Nokia 3250<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=465>
>   - Nokia 5320
> XpressMusic<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=3592>
>   - Nokia 5500<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=927>
>   - Nokia 5700<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=2017>
>   - Nokia 6110
> Navigator<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=1707>
>   - Nokia 6120C<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=2082>
>   - Nokia 6121C<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=2215>
>   - Nokia 6124 Classic 
>   - Nokia 6210
> Navigator<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=3177>
>   - Nokia 6220
> Classic<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=3258>
>   - Nokia 6260<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=2>
>   - Nokia 6290<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=1422>
>   - Nokia 6600<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=8>
> (except
>   6600 Fold or 6600 Slide)
>   - Nokia 6620<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=5>
>   - Nokia 6630<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=1>
>   - Nokia 6650 
>   - Nokia 6670<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=42>
>   - Nokia 6680<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=108>
>   - Nokia 6681<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=127>
>   - Nokia 6682<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=127>
>   - Nokia 7610<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=4>
> (except
>   7610 Supernova)
>   - Nokia E50<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=972>
>   - Nokia E51<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=2493>
>   - Nokia E60<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=498>
>   - Nokia E61<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=532>
>   - Nokia E61i<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=1828>
>   - Nokia E62<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=1018>
>   - Nokia E65<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=1767>
>   - Nokia E66<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=3853>
>   - Nokia E70<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=567>
>   - Nokia E71<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=3765>
>   - Nokia E90<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=1890>
>   - Nokia N70<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=288>
>   - Nokia N71<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=640>
>   - Nokia N72<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=798>
>   - Nokia N73<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=840>
>   - Nokia N75<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=1263>
>   - Nokia N76<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=1590>
>   - Nokia N78<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayDeviceOverview.do?deviceId=3018>
>   - Nokia N79<
> http://www.s60.com/life/s60phones/displayD

Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[govind reddy]

Dear Nisha Sing and others:
1. Scanning a book and distributing with in our own community is  a
big crime to be debated upon, to be discussed for hours together
wasting our precious time and energy?
If it is such a big crime, many in the colleges (So called the sighted
persons), inspite of having many accessible books and library
fecilities, still photo copy the books, why is it so?
Did you dare to point them out this? I’m sure you wouldn’t have, even
if you have tried, I’m also sure that you might have failed.
Do you know how many invaluable desertations, research papers and
books published by the current publishers and authors, I left with out
reading and interpreting them?
Do you know the valuable books I was deprived of reading?
Do you know the insults I had confronted in pursuing my higher education?
Do you know how difficult it is to learn a forign language?
Do you know how bad the universities are at providing the fecilities
for a VI person???
The wold is not in Delhi and USA. It is there through out India.
2. If you are such an honest person, do you have the copies of all
softwares you use?
Do you have the legal copies of Windows, M S Office, JAWS?
3. If you are a real and complete blind, how did you read the books
with out recording, scanning, in short with out any assistance?
4. If Prashanth and others don’t scan the books and don’t distribute
them to any visually impaired in India or abroad, will you do it?
Will you provide the books in an accessible format at your own cost?
5. Do you know how many of the visually impaired can successfully
access the computer independently?
Do you know how many of the visually impaired persons of this list,
can access the computers of their own?
Infact, are you a visually impaired who knows the practical
difficulties of a VI person?
Don’t live in Utopia, lead a practical and real life.
Come in to the society, try to know the actual difficulties.
Don’t restrict yourself to a limited section.
I couldn’t express my wrath properly, yet I tried to do it at my best.
And seriously I don’t regret for all my comments in this mail.
-- 
"Don't call me a flower, I'll dry up; Don't call me a deer, I'll run
away; Don't call me a moon, I'll wane away; Call me a shadow, I'll be
with you always."
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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[ashish]

hello, I bought hard copies of some  books when publishers did not reply my 
mails and I also could not get a response of my phone calls. so? do you 
think I have no right to scan  them? and if I have a scanned copy I will 
definitely distribute it to my friends who need it, because I know the 
attitude of publishers. and about the minister well I have never met him 
personally and I know I will not have such a good fortune in future also , 
but I seriously doubt about his  image of "most easily accessible minister". 
the person who compares public of his country with cattle can not be much 
helpful to anyone. according to this view if I pay someone to record a book 
that will be also illegal because reader did not pay for it. so the 
conclusion is that I am visually impaired so I have no right to read books? 
sorry I do not agree and will never agree. I am ready to pay but I want 
books accessible to me. take care, regards. ashish


- Original Message - 
From: "Dr. nisha singh" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field


dear Akhilesh,

do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know and
have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries but
this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always
available,

by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any writer
who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would
have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind persons
want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make yourselves
a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak characters.
demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live in a
civil society.

akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the labour
and give it to pirates. sounds good??

stand against piracy.

nisha

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh  wrote:


Thanks allot sir!!!
The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher
and writer is extremely good!!!
This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read.
This is the time when we must force our government to amend the
copyright act 1957!!!
Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and
if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which
they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it.
Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping
one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the
continuation of that same help.
Again I’d like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for
these sorts of purposes.
Thanks
Akhilesh.



On 10/8/09, nisha singh  wrote:
> Dear prashant,
>
> scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law.
if
> you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all
> his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in
the
> national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out
of
> his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some
> responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do
this.
> i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy
who
> are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have
> demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of
> piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not 
> force

> you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way.
Tharoor
> is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such
> agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community.
>
> nisha
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma 
wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>> This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com.
>> You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar
>> Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing
>> relations.
>> You can search for this book by title or else look for "Shadows Across
the
>> Playing Field" in the recently uploaded books.
>> Sorry authors and Mr. publisher  you see
>> we have a right to read
>> all published material
>> at the same time
>> at no extra cost
>> and in a format accessible to us.
>>
>> I purchased this book online but alas! only hard copies were available.
>>
>> Prashant
>>
>>
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[AI] How do you describe colours to a blind person?

[Timy Sebastian Ettumanoor]

How do you describe colours to a blind person? Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers



Best Answer - Chosen by Voters





 

You cannot describe colour as its just the same as trying to describe the sound 
of colour. A clinically blind person who has been blind all of their life will 
not be able to understand colour as you must compare the colour to something 
else. Green apples to green grass.

 

If they were blind from birth or lost their eyesight when they were very young, 
you really can't. They won't know what you're talking about.

 

However, a person who lost their eyesight as an adult, as a teenager, or even 
as an older child will remember colors. If that's the case, you can describe 
colors as you would with a sighted person and they'll know what you mean. But 
the longer they had their eyesight, the more they'll understand.

I would try to make to make a link between sight and other senses (like the 
synesthetic sensation). I would make differences between colours based on 
temperatures and sounds. For example red, orange are warm, or even hot, when 
blue is cold. Green is a higher note than purple, and so on. Use your 
imagination.

 

some ppl use touch to describe it eg-
blue is normally a cold colour so they give them a stone to hold
green is earthy so u could use grass 
red is normally something hot 
orange is a zingy colour so maybe a bite of an orange 
black is darkness
pink is playful and pretty so maybe a doll

 

Have you not seen that movie cher was in and she had the son with the deformed 
fact? He gets a blind girlfriend and he describes colours to her, blue is ice, 
red is hot. Can't remember what it's called, it's pretty old

SERIOUSLY

watch the movie MASK...

with actress share...

it deals with exact subject of describing colours to the blind...

SERIOUSLY. WATCH THE MOVIE

Source(s):

me... 42 year old bitter man...

Blind people have their own perceptions. All you can do is describe associated 
feelings and emotions evoked by colours. with sensations, i'd guess.

like red as warm, blue as cool, green as leafy, as so on.

i think substituting senses for other senses, i guess this would work.

 

i really don't think you can unless that person saw color before they went 
blind. im fairly sure no blind person can fathom color

 

Maybe you could use the words lighter and darker and relate them to smells of 
certain things.

interesting q

Imagine the brightest, most vibrant and happiest thing you can think of.BAM 
you've got a rainbow!

Try using smells. Or moods.

 

Blue would be the smell of the sea / sadness.




Hoping your reply regarding this,



 your friend Timy.


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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[Renuka Warrier]

Until this work has been done for a social cause ,not  for any commercial
gain, I see no harm in scanning the books and sharing it with others.

Renuka.
- Original Message - 
From: "govind reddy" 

To: "accessindia" 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field


Dear Nisha Sing and others:
1. Scanning a book and distributing with in our own community is  a
big crime to be debated upon, to be discussed for hours together
wasting our precious time and energy?
If it is such a big crime, many in the colleges (So called the sighted
persons), inspite of having many accessible books and library
fecilities, still photo copy the books, why is it so?
Did you dare to point them out this? I’m sure you wouldn’t have, even
if you have tried, I’m also sure that you might have failed.
Do you know how many invaluable desertations, research papers and
books published by the current publishers and authors, I left with out
reading and interpreting them?
Do you know the valuable books I was deprived of reading?
Do you know the insults I had confronted in pursuing my higher education?
Do you know how difficult it is to learn a forign language?
Do you know how bad the universities are at providing the fecilities
for a VI person???
The wold is not in Delhi and USA. It is there through out India.
2. If you are such an honest person, do you have the copies of all
softwares you use?
Do you have the legal copies of Windows, M S Office, JAWS?
3. If you are a real and complete blind, how did you read the books
with out recording, scanning, in short with out any assistance?
4. If Prashanth and others don’t scan the books and don’t distribute
them to any visually impaired in India or abroad, will you do it?
Will you provide the books in an accessible format at your own cost?
5. Do you know how many of the visually impaired can successfully
access the computer independently?
Do you know how many of the visually impaired persons of this list,
can access the computers of their own?
Infact, are you a visually impaired who knows the practical
difficulties of a VI person?
Don’t live in Utopia, lead a practical and real life.
Come in to the society, try to know the actual difficulties.
Don’t restrict yourself to a limited section.
I couldn’t express my wrath properly, yet I tried to do it at my best.
And seriously I don’t regret for all my comments in this mail.
--
"Don't call me a flower, I'll dry up; Don't call me a deer, I'll run
away; Don't call me a moon, I'll wane away; Call me a shadow, I'll be
with you always."
Mobile: 9959392651, 9030915271.
Email: sgred...@gmail.com
My blog:
http://govindhowsweet.blogspot.com



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[AI] about web ie

[Renuka Warrier]

I installed the web i.e. web browser only out of curiosity.  But when used, it 
is felt that ,  it is the easiest web browser that I have ever come across.  
Even the navigation of the links in the new beta version of the link "breaking 
news" in the Hindu news paper is very easy.  Unlike other web browsers, the 
focus does not jump to the top of the page after exiting the visited link.  
Instead remains to the visited link itself.  And reading the text content is 
also easy, since it can be done by pressing F7.
Renuka.


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[AI] Moderator: Hi all from pawan bundela.

[harish]

Hello all

This thread is closed for traffic with immediate effect.
Harish Kotian

- Original Message - 
From: "pawan bundela" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: [AI] Hi all from pawan bundela.



Hi friends, i am pawan bundela. recently i have started using JAWS10
portable in my pendrive on continious mode with the help of Jaws10
crack. it is very easy to use even on net. not only that, but to avoid
the dengerous viruses now u can use it in to a CD. so enjoy it and
have a fun!
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[AI] Live audio of Champions League

[Ketan Kothari]

Friends,

Is there any official/unofficial live streaming of Champions league?  Is audio 
available on their website?  Thank you.
Ketan Kothari
Phone: [r] 24223281, 
Cell: 9987550614
MSN ID: muktake...@hotmail.com
Skype ID: Ketan
 


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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[Prashant Verma]

So much has been said on this topic that I need not argue any further. Many 
thanks to all including Dr. Nisha, Dinesh and dear Mukesh for bringing up 
various issues related to this topic. Rajesh, Subramani, Chetan and others 
have advocated our rights extremely well.


I just need to clarify a few points:
I do not support piracy. I do not consider providing books in accessible 
formats to visually impaired persons who would otherwise would have been 
deprived of this knowledge an act of piracy.


My intention in this case was as always to provide the book to print 
impaired persons and that is why I posted it on a website meant for visually 
impaired persons and informed a visually impaired mailing list about its 
availability. Aren’t all the libraries and organizations for the visually 
impaired doing a similar job for decades?


I do take care and try not to give these books to non-disabled persons. I do 
respect the right of authors, and understand that they have a right to the 
income from the sale of their works. And this is why I have never shared all 
those digital copies I have acquired from the publishers or libraries 
directly as these books can be purchased/acquired by all visually impaired 
persons from them.


The fact that less than 4% of the published knowledge is available in 
accessible formats troubles me a lot. Access to information is a key to 
education, vocation and overall growth. The present copyright laws and the 
publishing industry mind-set is preventing us from our basic human rights. 
My National Award tag urges me to take up this issue and do my little bit 
and that is why I referred to "Right to Read" in my earlier mail. I am glad 
that there is a greater awareness within the print impaired community since 
they have to push for changes in the present system. I hope someday 
publishers start providing accessible formats either voluntarily or due to 
legal obligations and then I will not have to scan dozens and dozens of 
books for my University students every week.


And by the way, availability of accessible format is not enough, it must 
happen at the same time and at no extra cost. I am tired of asking students 
to wait for few weeks to 3 months for an accessible copy of their book 
whereas their peers get to read it on the first day. In such a situation, I 
can't really demand competitiveness and efficiency from my students. As far 
as asking for soft copies and permissions for conversion to accessible 
formats from Publishers is concerned, few AI members   are witness to the 
indifferent treatment we often get as it also happened on 6th & 8th October 
when we went to meet two Governmental content producers .


Survey quoted from:
http://www.worldblindunion.org/en/right-to-read.html

Regards,

Prashant Ranjan Verma

www.prashant.myehome.in


--
From: "Renuka Warrier" 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:09 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field


Until this work has been done for a social cause ,not  for any commercial
gain, I see no harm in scanning the books and sharing it with others.

Renuka.
- Original Message - 
From: "govind reddy" 

To: "accessindia" 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field


Dear Nisha Sing and others:
1. Scanning a book and distributing with in our own community is  a
big crime to be debated upon, to be discussed for hours together
wasting our precious time and energy?
If it is such a big crime, many in the colleges (So called the sighted
persons), inspite of having many accessible books and library
fecilities, still photo copy the books, why is it so?
Did you dare to point them out this? I’m sure you wouldn’t have, even
if you have tried, I’m also sure that you might have failed.
Do you know how many invaluable desertations, research papers and
books published by the current publishers and authors, I left with out
reading and interpreting them?
Do you know the valuable books I was deprived of reading?
Do you know the insults I had confronted in pursuing my higher education?
Do you know how difficult it is to learn a forign language?
Do you know how bad the universities are at providing the fecilities
for a VI person???
The wold is not in Delhi and USA. It is there through out India.
2. If you are such an honest person, do you have the copies of all
softwares you use?
Do you have the legal copies of Windows, M S Office, JAWS?
3. If you are a real and complete blind, how did you read the books
with out recording, scanning, in short with out any assistance?
4. If Prashanth and others don’t scan the books and don’t distribute
them to any visually impaired in India or abroad, will you do it?
Will you provide the books in an accessible format at your own cost?
5. Do you know how many of the visually impaired can successfully
access the computer independently?
Do you know how many of the visually impaired

Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[harish]

Hello all
I suppose, we have dwellt the same set of arguments in the past. This does 
not get us anywhere.


What we need to do is to:
1 Put our  suggestions for the proposed changes to the PWD
2 Lobby with all the might to get the copyright laws amended. This would 
need thinking out of the box. Guys, transform your engergies and talents to 
compell the folks concerned to do something about it.


I suppose with this we can keep this thread live for putting forth positive 
suggestions.


XRCVC has made a beautiful DVD presentation lobbying for changes to the 
Copyright act.


There could be more roads; think about it. This issue is certainly grave and 
the charged debate is indication of it.



Harish Kotian

- Original Message - 
From: "ashish" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field


hello, I bought hard copies of some  books when publishers did not reply my
mails and I also could not get a response of my phone calls. so? do you
think I have no right to scan  them? and if I have a scanned copy I will
definitely distribute it to my friends who need it, because I know the
attitude of publishers. and about the minister well I have never met him
personally and I know I will not have such a good fortune in future also ,
but I seriously doubt about his  image of "most easily accessible minister".
the person who compares public of his country with cattle can not be much
helpful to anyone. according to this view if I pay someone to record a book
that will be also illegal because reader did not pay for it. so the
conclusion is that I am visually impaired so I have no right to read books?
sorry I do not agree and will never agree. I am ready to pay but I want
books accessible to me. take care, regards. ashish

- Original Message - 
From: "Dr. nisha singh" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field


dear Akhilesh,

do you think that what maoist and naxalites are doing is good? i know and
have seen the plight of the people crushed like anything for centuries but
this do not give anybody licence to kill. there are genuine ways always
available,

by circulating books this way you are hampering the earnings of any writer
who would have written his/her book burning thousands of hours and would
have done research on whole lot of topics. in a society where blind persons
want equality and better treatment, do not do such things to make yourselves
a a potential threat to otheres. the act is of persons of weak characters.
demand for the e books, and if you have the bucks purchase it. we live in a
civil society.

akhilesh and prashant do write some book in your future, do all the labour
and give it to pirates. sounds good??

stand against piracy.

nisha

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:53 PM, akhilesh  wrote:


Thanks allot sir!!!
The book is very nice but the comment that you've written on publisher
and writer is extremely good!!!
This is not the piracy, and we have the right to read.
This is the time when we must force our government to amend the
copyright act 1957!!!
Anyway, bookbole is a website designed for print disable people, and
if somebody is helping a large community to read something from which
they have denied for centuries, there is nothing wrong in it.
Sir you have got the award from president of the country for helping
one of the deprived community, and as far as I think, this is the
continuation of that same help.
Again I’d like to emphasise that book bole is a site solely made for
these sorts of purposes.
Thanks
Akhilesh.



On 10/8/09, nisha singh  wrote:
> Dear prashant,
>
> scanning the book and distributing it freely is totally against the law.
if
> you would had twittered doctor shashi tharoor, he would have given all
> his award winning books and his hundreds of articles also published in
the
> national and international newspapers and magazines. but now you are out
of
> his good book. getting an award from president of the country gives some
> responsibility on your shouder. without informing him how could you do
this.
> i dont think you ever asked roli publishers or Mr. Tharoor for soft copy
who
> are the publisher or copy right holder of this book. you should have
> demanded the ebook or purchased it. you have right to read but not of
> piracy. i believe you understand what i am saying to you. i can not 
> force

> you but can request you and others to not to distribute it this way.
Tharoor
> is one of the easily accessible minister in delhi. try and find one such
> agency who would distribute the soft copy only to the blind community.
>
> nisha
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Prashant Verma 
wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>> This latest book is available on www.bookbole.com.
>> You will recall that it has been written by Shashi Tharur and Shaharyar
>> Khan and was published recently. It discusses Indo-Pak cricketing
>> relations.
>> You can search for this 

Re: [AI] Champions League live streams

[moiz tundawala]

Dear Ketan sir,
I'm not too sure about audio, but you can try out the following for
live streams for most sporting events:
www.justin.tv
www.myp2p.eu
I found them pretty useful during the Champions Trophy.
Moiz.

-- 
Moiz Tundawala
5th Year, B.A./B.Sc. LLB Hons.,
West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences,
NUJS Bhavan, 12 LB, Sector III, Salt Lake City,
Kolkata, 700 098

Ph: +919874396052



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[AI] seaking clarification

[raghuraman]

friends, i have an image file and i would like to convert it to txt 
document.
is it possible and if yes, what should i do? 
also can a v.i . enter i.f.s.?
does anyone have Sulman rushdi's books?
if yes, please contact my mail i.d. 
cheers 
raghu.


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Re: [AI] seaking clarification

[RAKESH KUMAR GUPTA]

What type of immage, you have?
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From: "raghuraman" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:52 PM
Subject: [AI] seaking clarification


   friends, i have an image file and i would like to convert it to txt 
document.

is it possible and if yes, what should i do?
also can a v.i . enter i.f.s.?
does anyone have Sulman rushdi's books?
if yes, please contact my mail i.d.
cheers
raghu.


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[AI] 1. Re: New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field (Prashant Verma)

[govind reddy]

Prashanth sir:
I have so much respect, concern, and support for you in this due to
many reasons to.
So nothing wrong in scanning a book. Go a head keep contributing the
same and much more. Well said and done regarding the difficulties in
getting reply from the publishers. I'm one of the actual sufferer of
these difficulties in the university. As I said Delhi and a very few
central universities are good in this matter. But it's only % of VI
will be able to acquire the admission in to these universities.
We should loby with PWD act. Happy reading reading and happy scanning.

-- 
"Don't call me a flower, I'll dry up; Don't call me a deer, I'll run
away; Don't call me a moon, I'll wane away; Call me a shadow, I'll be
with you always."
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Re: [AI] skype on n82

[Pranav Lal]

Hi all,

The last time I tried fring, it was possible to read the text chat window if
I used the object viewer in Talks.

Pranav

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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of jean parker
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:17 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] skype on n82

Prashant:

Although the program known as fring does not seem to have a link on 
blindsea.com, it can be used for skype on a mobile including the n82.  It is

easy to install and is quite accessible with one exception.  The text chat 
functions are not accessible at least to my knowledge.  Other than this, it 
works very well and behaves like skype on your computer.

Jean




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Re: [AI] How do you describe colours to a blind person?

[Pranav Lal]

I have not found a satisfactory answer to this. The problem is that there
are no sensations that are synonymous with color. However, a blind person
can use color effectively. This is different from experiencing it.

Could you elaborate on the context of your question?
Pranav




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Re: [AI] Mobile phone advice

[Pranav Lal]

George,

Buying phones is almost like buying shoes. We need more information to give
a suitable answer. What does your friend plan to use the phone for? Will he
send a lot of text messages? Are there size considerations?

Pranav




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Re: [AI] seaking clarification

[surya narayana]

Hello raghu,
First of all you need o clarify what kind of an immage you have? OK
anyhow you can do certain things.
Open the file in Kurzwiel 1000 and after conversion save it as doc
file. another thing you can do is open the file in acrobat reader and
save it in txt format. If the problem is not salved yet please contact
me I may help you.
Yours,
Surya.

On 10/8/09, raghuraman  wrote:
> friends, i have an image file and i would like to convert it to txt
> document.
> is it possible and if yes, what should i do?
> also can a v.i . enter i.f.s.?
> does anyone have Sulman rushdi's books?
> if yes, please contact my mail i.d.
> cheers
> raghu.
>
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Re: [AI] SQL Compiler / Application Wanted.

[Amiyo Biswas]

Hello,

What I understand now is that my nephew requires an oracle programme. I 
downloaded oracle sql developer, but it does not serve his needs. I have 
asked a friend of mine for help. Thank you for the mail.
- Original Message - 
From: "Chaodhari, Sanjeev IN BOM SISL" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] SQL Compiler / Application Wanted.


Please visit
http://www.microsoft.com/express/sql/download/
this is free version of sql 2008.


With best regards,

Sanjeev chaodhari

Siemens IT Solution and Services (SIS)
GIO-AO
Tel.: +91 22 6757 2183
Mob.: +91 9820637390
mailto.:sanjeev.chaodh...@siemens.com

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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Amiyo Biswas

Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2009 11:47 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] SQL Compiler / Application Wanted.

Hello,

I need a programme for my nephew to practice sql codes. I went to the oracle 
web site. I did not understand exactly which programme I need. My nephew is 
studying in class 12 under CBSE. Please help me with advice or the 
programme. A demo will do perhaps.


Best regards,
Amiyo Biswas.
Cell: 91-9433464329


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Re: [AI] Computer clock haywire

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Hello Vetri

It was precisely due to internet time zones.

It was not due to battery, as I myself was also imagining and had even called 
the mechanic to replace it.
However, now after unchecking the box, it has resolved.

Thank you very much vetri and others!!!


Rajesh Asudani

Assistant General Manager (PPS),
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349
Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
John Milton


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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Vetrivel Adhimoolam
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:29 AM
To: B. R. Nautial; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Computer clock haywire

But sometimes it can happen due to the internet time zone settings. Do the
following and see if it fixes the problem:

Go to the control panel and click "date and time". If you are using XP, go
to internet time tab. Under that there is a check box that says:
Automatically sink with internet time. And uncheck it. Now change the clock
to the correct time and restart the computer. Hopefully it will fix the
problem.

Vetri.


- Original Message -
From: "B. R. Nautial" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Computer clock haywire


> Hi Sir
> You need to change a small battery, fixed on the
> mother-board, used to maintain the time of the pc.
>
> With Regards
> B. R. Nautial
> - Original Message -
> From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 10:05 AM
> Subject: [AI] Computer clock haywire
>
>
>> Friends
>> The clock of my computer has gone haywire.
>> I mean it lags behind a few hours every time I start my computer.
>> While running the PC, I think it keeps the correct time but goes to
>> slumber once I switch it off.
>> It brings me to seek from you the probable causes of the same and
>> possible remedy as well.
>> I am also curious to know what keeps the clock going while PC is switched
>> off, or a cell phone is switched off.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Rajesh Asudani
>>
>> Assistant General Manager (PPS),
>> Reserve Bank of India
>> Nagpur
>> 09420397185
>> O: 0712 2806676
>> Res: 0712 2591349
>> Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
>> John Milton
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] seaking clarification

[Swati Sinha]

Run any OCR software (Fine reader, Kurzveill or any of your choice). Make
the software read the entire document and then save it in the format you
want with proper extension. 

I am using Fine reader. If you want to know the steps of the process, do let
me know. 
With regards,
Swati 
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of raghuraman
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:53 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] seaking clarification

friends, i have an image file and i would like to convert it to txt
document.
is it possible and if yes, what should i do? 
also can a v.i . enter i.f.s.?
does anyone have Sulman rushdi's books?
if yes, please contact my mail i.d. 
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[AI] Fish scales, sheep fur may help restore vision

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Times of india
Fish scales, sheep fur may help restore vision
Pushpa Narayan, TNN 9 October 2009, 04:52am IST
CHENNAI: Fish scales and sheep fur could soon help restore vision. Researchers 
at Sankara Nethralaya, a leading Chennai-based eye hospital, along with 
scientists in Central Leather Research Institute, have developed a protein from 
scales and fur that can be used as a scaffold for stem cell therapy that has 
the potential to reverse at least 40% of preventable blindness cases.

Chemical or fire injuries, long term use of contact lens or even allergic 
reactions can lead to depletion of vital stem cells in eyes. These cells dwell 
in the limbus, which lies between the cornea and the sclera, the white layer of 
the eyeball. Damage to limbal stem cells can severely impair vision.

"Most often stem cell therapy is the only hope,'' said Dr Lingam Gopal, 
director (research), Sankara Nethralaya. "Such patients are taken for limbal 
stem cells transplantation, which ensure that vision is restored. The source of 
stem cells can be the patient's other eye, a live donor (usually 
siblings/parents) or cadavers. But these cells cannot be injected directly into 
the eye for two reasons. First, they should have a convenient environment that 
will help them live and multiply. Second, they could be washed away if they do 
not have a scaffold to hold them together,'' said Dr Gopal.

The conventional way of culturing the stem cells in a laboratory is to grow 
them on a human amniotic membrane, a thin membrane found in the placenta. But 
scientists are not very comfortable using a human membrane - there are chances 
of stem cells getting infected or contracting some unknown disease.

"Besides bio-safety, there were other problems,'' says Dr S Krishna Kumar, 
director of nano-biotechnology at the hospital. "There is variation in the 
quality of the product from batch to batch. Doctors found the tensile strength 
was too low. They also found that in some cases the clarity was not good and in 
some, the process even left a scar in the cornea,'' he said.

That's when his team - including Sasi Rekha Krishnan, a PhD student - decided 
to work on alternative collagen scaffolds. They began their work with funds 
from Directorate of Science and Technology. "Even as we started the search, we 
were discouraged from using the bovine scaffolds, because of fear of infections 
such as mad cow disease and foot & mouth disease. We wanted something that is 
available locally and affordable. So we chose local fish and sheep fur,'' said 
Sasi Rekha.

A team of scientists at the Central Leather Research Institute headed by TP 
Sastry of the department of biomaterial sciences processed the fish scales and 
sheep fur with chemicals to increase their tensile strength. "It took us more 
than 70 combinations to get the right strength. Then it was brought to the 
laboratory where it was reconstituted, during which the scale or fur is ground 
in a mixer and processed with chemicals to extract the collagen. We cast the 
collagen into thin layers, which look like thin plastic sheets. We managed to 
grow stem cells on them,'' said Sasi.

The team has already applied for patenting the product. "We are also in the 
process of starting animal trials. We still have a long way to go, but we are 
getting there,'' said Dr Krishna Kumar.





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Re: [AI] 1. Re: New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field (Prashant Verma)

[Dinesh Kaushal]

Wel,, it is getting interesting.

First of all, I do not have any objection in scanning and sharing. But the
question is how do you ensure that only print impaired people get access to
what we post here? Do you think that this forum is private? Do we ask people
to provide proof of disability before they join?

And even book bol does not require anyone to provide proof of disability.

I just googled with "Shadows Across the Playing Field"

On second page I got one of the Access India e-mails. And from there any
determined person would have  found it, and the copies would have circulated
around. This way we are damaging the cause and disreputing our community.

I support the Right To Read, and All the problems mentioned on this forum
are the once that I have faced as well. And I would also like to get the
book as soon as it is published, but we will be further from our objectives
if we follow this path. We have to convince the publishers that their rights
are respected, else they will never agree. And Access India and Book Bol
will be closed the same way as napster was closed.

We already have platform to get what we want, for example, Organizations for
the blind are in deed providing the access to books, why couldn't we submit
the book to them? I agree that they have not been able to provide as many
books as we need, but that is not a problem of their intent, it is an issue
with management and resources. So all the resourceful persons should scan
the books and submit to them, and then announce on this forum or at other
platforms that such and such book is available.

It is great to see some organization's catelogs on Book Bol, and after
knowing that those books are available, we could ask these organizations to
provide them to us. As an example, I had obtained some books from NAB Delhi
and Saksham, so why couldn't others do the same?

Just lending the name of Mahatma Gandhi to any issue does not give it
credibility, if you follow him, then he said that means are more important
than the goal.



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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of govind reddy
Sent: 09 October 2009 04:03 AM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] 1. Re: New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field (Prashant
Verma)

Prashanth sir:
I have so much respect, concern, and support for you in this due to
many reasons to.
So nothing wrong in scanning a book. Go a head keep contributing the
same and much more. Well said and done regarding the difficulties in
getting reply from the publishers. I'm one of the actual sufferer of
these difficulties in the university. As I said Delhi and a very few
central universities are good in this matter. But it's only % of VI
will be able to acquire the admission in to these universities.
We should loby with PWD act. Happy reading reading and happy scanning.

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away; Don't call me a moon, I'll wane away; Call me a shadow, I'll be
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[AI] Can e-Publishing Overcome Copyright Concerns?

[Dinesh Kaushal]

The following Blog post talks about author's concerns, and unfortunately
someone has tricked this author saying that he is blind and needs and ebook.
David Pogue is a very popular New York Times technology columnist, and his
opinion matters for a lot of people.

 

May 22, 2008, 10:49 am 


Can e-Publishing Overcome Copyright Concerns?


Every so often, I get an e-mailed request like this:

"Dear David: I've checked the O'Reilly and Amazon sites, but I can't seem to
find electronic versions of your Missing Manual books.

"I've checked out Safari (safari.oreilly.com  ),
where I can pay a subscription fee for unlimited monthly access to hundreds
of computer books from various publishers. But that's not practical for a
single book purchase. I also saw the single-chapter PDF purchase
option-again, not practical if you'd like the complete book.

"Sounds like a few butts might need to be kicked in the publishing world to
push them into the 21st century. Thanks in advance for your help."

With a sigh, I always reply to these queries with the same sad response:

"Unfortunately, I've had terrible experiences releasing my books in
electronic form. Twice in my career, 'blind' people e-mailed me, requesting
a PDF of one of my books. Both times, I sent one over-and both times, it was
all over the piracy sites within 48 hours, free for anyone to download.

"I've got a mortgage and three kids to put through college, and it broke my
heart! Unfortunately, the bad apples have once again spoiled it for everyone
else." 

Now, I realize that my position is unpopular in some circles. And the piracy
issue really does bum me out, because some of my how-to books (on Windows
Vista and Mac OS X, for example) are 900-page behemoths that would be so
much easier to carry, read and search right on the screen.

But this week, I came across a blog post by author Steven Poole on just this
topic. (It's at http://stevenpoole.net/blog/free-your-mind, and it contains
a couple of naughty words.) He recently conducted an experiment: he offered
an electronic download of one of his books, called "Trigger Happy," on a
"pay what you like" model. In assessing the results, he writes:

"Is this, as some people say, an exciting new Internet-age business model
for writers and other creative types?

"Er, not really. The proportion of people who left a tip after downloading
"Trigger Happy" was 1 in 1,750, or 0.057%."

Mr. Poole, as it turns out, is just as disinclined as I am to make free
electronic delivery his primary distribution channel. Here's how he covers
the "information wants to be free" line of reasoning, which he calls "the
Slashdot argument":

"It says that books, music, films, software and so on ought to be freely
distributed to anyone who wants them, simply because they can be freely
distributed.

"What is the writer or musician to do, though, if she can't earn money from
her art? Simple, says the Slashdotter: earn your money playing live (if
you're one of those musicians who plays live), or selling T-shirts or
merchandise, or providing some other kind of 'value-added' service. Many
such arguments seem to me to be simple greed disguised in high-falutin'
idealism about how 'information wants to be free.'

".I think the Slashdot argument can actually be disposed of rapidly with one
rhetorical question, as follows.

"Oh Mr. Freetard, you work as a programmer, do you? How interesting. So do
you perform all your corporate programming duties for free, and earn your
keep by selling personally branded mousemats on the side?

"Didn't think so."

But what about the Radiohead experiment, where the band released an album
online using a "pay what you like" system-and succeeded?

As Mr. Poole points out, that's fine if you're already an established name:
"If there's been a comparable success by a band that hasn't already gained
its cultural capital and name-recognition through the evils of copyright and
corporate promotion, I'd like to know about it."

So yes, this is how I, as an author who's been twice-burned, truly feel. And
yet I realize that it puts me, rather awkwardly, on the same side of the
piracy issue as the record companies and movie companies, who are suing
teenagers for downloading songs, and of whom I've made endless fun.

Actually, authors like me are lucky; our work is, at this point, pretty much
protected with unbreakable copy protection. That is, our bound and published
books can't be duplicated infinitely and distributed by the millions online.

So what would I do if I were in the business of music or movies, where
piracy is so much easier?

I'm just happy I don't have to answer that question.

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Re: [AI] 1. Re: New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field (Prashant Verma)

[Dinesh Kaushal]

Another point, someone wrote, that ebooks are 10 times more expensive. I am
sorry to learn, but I get ebooks for lesser price than the hard copy.


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh Kaushal
Sent: 09 October 2009 12:01 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] 1. Re: New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
(Prashant Verma)

Wel,, it is getting interesting.

First of all, I do not have any objection in scanning and sharing. But the
question is how do you ensure that only print impaired people get access to
what we post here? Do you think that this forum is private? Do we ask people
to provide proof of disability before they join?

And even book bol does not require anyone to provide proof of disability.

I just googled with "Shadows Across the Playing Field"

On second page I got one of the Access India e-mails. And from there any
determined person would have  found it, and the copies would have circulated
around. This way we are damaging the cause and disreputing our community.

I support the Right To Read, and All the problems mentioned on this forum
are the once that I have faced as well. And I would also like to get the
book as soon as it is published, but we will be further from our objectives
if we follow this path. We have to convince the publishers that their rights
are respected, else they will never agree. And Access India and Book Bol
will be closed the same way as napster was closed.

We already have platform to get what we want, for example, Organizations for
the blind are in deed providing the access to books, why couldn't we submit
the book to them? I agree that they have not been able to provide as many
books as we need, but that is not a problem of their intent, it is an issue
with management and resources. So all the resourceful persons should scan
the books and submit to them, and then announce on this forum or at other
platforms that such and such book is available.

It is great to see some organization's catelogs on Book Bol, and after
knowing that those books are available, we could ask these organizations to
provide them to us. As an example, I had obtained some books from NAB Delhi
and Saksham, so why couldn't others do the same?

Just lending the name of Mahatma Gandhi to any issue does not give it
credibility, if you follow him, then he said that means are more important
than the goal.



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of govind reddy
Sent: 09 October 2009 04:03 AM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] 1. Re: New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field (Prashant
Verma)

Prashanth sir:
I have so much respect, concern, and support for you in this due to
many reasons to.
So nothing wrong in scanning a book. Go a head keep contributing the
same and much more. Well said and done regarding the difficulties in
getting reply from the publishers. I'm one of the actual sufferer of
these difficulties in the university. As I said Delhi and a very few
central universities are good in this matter. But it's only % of VI
will be able to acquire the admission in to these universities.
We should loby with PWD act. Happy reading reading and happy scanning.

-- 
"Don't call me a flower, I'll dry up; Don't call me a deer, I'll run
away; Don't call me a moon, I'll wane away; Call me a shadow, I'll be
with you always."
Mobile: 9959392651, 9030915271.
Email: sgred...@gmail.com
My blog:
http://govindhowsweet.blogspot.com



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