[AI] about network related information

[nitin patel]

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[AI] Fwd: Fw: Gayatri mantra

[nitin patel]

-- Forwarded message --
From: dinesh patel 
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:41:34 +0500
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Gayatri mantra
To: HaNkZz Moghariya , nitin patel
, patel always ahead ,
RAHUL moghariya , rmoghar...@yahoo.com,
roksh...@yahoo.com, SANDIP_ Jane tu ya jane na
, switu doshi ,
"ηєнα кυℓкαяηι... !!!" 

-- Forwarded message --
From: Rakesh Patel 
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:55:52 +0530 (IST)
Subject: Fw: Gayatri mantra
To: naveen sajwan 
Cc: ahmed pathan , baldev
, jacob isaac ,
dinesh patel , jagrut pathak
, manoj , mitul patel
, rajan raval ,
rinkal upadhyay 

Thanks n Regards

Rakesh Patel



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To: MahipatsinhPadhiyar 
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sachinmorsan...@gmail.com; pramit_sardh...@yahoo.com;
nilesh_shiyani...@yahoo.com; pankaj_patel1...@yahoo.com;
manoj_pane...@yahoo.com; vasoyago...@yahoo.com; moghari...@yahoo.com;
moghar...@gmail.com; BhavinPipaliya ;
GhanshyamGamdha ; SandipkumarPatel
; TejasAkola ;
HiteshKhunt ; ManishBhalani
; DipenKalavadia ;
MaulikSoriya ; Gopal Gandhi
; Sawan Detroja ; Milan
Soni ; Vaibhav Thakkar ;
Manoj Faldu 
Sent: Monday, 8 June, 2009 6:53:48 AM
Subject: Gayatri mantra




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Re: [AI] about network related information

[Amiyo Biswas]

Hello,

Can you explain step by step how I can add a pc to an already working home 
network? The existing network consists of two computers, both running 
windows xp home. The pc I want to add to it has windows xp pro sp2. I shall 
have to try it next week. I am not sure of the steps and may mess up things. 
Please help.


Best regards,
Amiyo Biswas.
Cell: 91-9433464329

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Subject: [AI] about network related information



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[AI] Moderator: Re: Fwd: Fw: Gayatri mantra

[harish]

Hello all
This is an off-topic posting. Members are requested not to respond to this 
thread.


Harish Kotian

- Original Message - 
From: "nitin patel" 

To: "accessindia" 
Cc: "aktrust" 
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 1:01 PM
Subject: [AI] Fwd: Fw: Gayatri mantra


-- Forwarded message --
From: dinesh patel 
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:41:34 +0500
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Gayatri mantra
To: HaNkZz Moghariya , nitin patel
, patel always ahead ,
RAHUL moghariya , rmoghar...@yahoo.com,
roksh...@yahoo.com, SANDIP_ Jane tu ya jane na
, switu doshi ,
"ηєнα кυℓкαяηι... !!!" 

-- Forwarded message --
From: Rakesh Patel 
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:55:52 +0530 (IST)
Subject: Fw: Gayatri mantra
To: naveen sajwan 
Cc: ahmed pathan , baldev
, jacob isaac ,
dinesh patel , jagrut pathak
, manoj , mitul patel
, rajan raval ,
rinkal upadhyay 

Thanks n Regards

Rakesh Patel



- Forwarded Message 
From: Nilesh Moghariya 
To: MahipatsinhPadhiyar 
Cc: roksh...@yahoo.com; bhagirathrpa...@gmail.com;
sachinmorsan...@gmail.com; pramit_sardh...@yahoo.com;
nilesh_shiyani...@yahoo.com; pankaj_patel1...@yahoo.com;
manoj_pane...@yahoo.com; vasoyago...@yahoo.com; moghari...@yahoo.com;
moghar...@gmail.com; BhavinPipaliya ;
GhanshyamGamdha ; SandipkumarPatel
; TejasAkola ;
HiteshKhunt ; ManishBhalani
; DipenKalavadia ;
MaulikSoriya ; Gopal Gandhi
; Sawan Detroja ; Milan
Soni ; Vaibhav Thakkar ;
Manoj Faldu 
Sent: Monday, 8 June, 2009 6:53:48 AM
Subject: Gayatri mantra




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[AI] Anyone from Bhubaneshwar

[harish]

Hi
I shall be visiting Bhubaneshwar around October 22 shall also be visiting Puri 
thereafter
.
Anyone there wanting to reach me can call me on 09920946966.
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Re: [AI] Deleting mails from Google Inbox

[Ravi Paul]

Hi, you can do the following to delete all your e-mails in Gmail:
1. Login to your gmail account using Internet explorer (I don't know
about other browsers; firefox gives a lot of annoying alerts that are
not Pleasant nor necessary to listen).
 2. Switch to the standard view if you are using the Basic HTML view.
3. Go to the place where you find your mails (you can press the t key once
I think to get there; it goes to the first table).
4. Arrow upward untill you hear something like "Select: All, None,
Read, Unread, Starred, Unstarred" (note: JAWS wont inform you of it
being a link; pressing the enter key on "all" should select the mails
in the current page, and when you go down, you will find a link that
says something like Select all x conversations in Inbox, on which if
you click, all the mails in your inbox will get selected, below which
you should find something like  "All x conversations in Inbox are
selected"; where x is the number of e-mails in your inbox).
5. Go to the delete button pressing b and press enter.
I don't know what will happen once you click on the delete button as I
had too many e-mails to risk its consiquence; although you should be
able to follow from there...
Hope this helps as writing this one took rather long time, all be it
that it was due to my own fault:). Do tell what happens as I am
curious about what happens with this one...
Regards, Ravi Paul`



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Re: [AI] 1. Re: New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field(Prashant Verma)

[Subramani L]

Perhaps it is hard to ensure the identity of the person using it in this
forum, but mind you not all are comfortable reading ebooks or audio
books like us. Most avid book readers prefer a hard copy of the book. Of
course that goes little in substantiating that all users are print
impaired; the least a person can do is to ensure that he/she is sending
it to the print impaired. If it slips out without his/her knowledge, you
can't hold them responsible for that. We all know their intentions and
the purpose of sharing the book. I think that would do. As for sharing
it in a place like bookbole, I was told by its managers that they only
allow membership for print impaired and if someone impersonates, then
that would be reason enough to kick him/her out or take legal action. 

Subramani 

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh
Kaushal
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 12:01 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] 1. Re: New Book: Shadows Across the Playing
Field(Prashant Verma)

Wel,, it is getting interesting.

First of all, I do not have any objection in scanning and sharing. But
the
question is how do you ensure that only print impaired people get access
to
what we post here? Do you think that this forum is private? Do we ask
people
to provide proof of disability before they join?

And even book bol does not require anyone to provide proof of
disability.

I just googled with "Shadows Across the Playing Field"

On second page I got one of the Access India e-mails. And from there any
determined person would have  found it, and the copies would have
circulated
around. This way we are damaging the cause and disreputing our
community.

I support the Right To Read, and All the problems mentioned on this
forum
are the once that I have faced as well. And I would also like to get the
book as soon as it is published, but we will be further from our
objectives
if we follow this path. We have to convince the publishers that their
rights
are respected, else they will never agree. And Access India and Book Bol
will be closed the same way as napster was closed.

We already have platform to get what we want, for example, Organizations
for
the blind are in deed providing the access to books, why couldn't we
submit
the book to them? I agree that they have not been able to provide as
many
books as we need, but that is not a problem of their intent, it is an
issue
with management and resources. So all the resourceful persons should
scan
the books and submit to them, and then announce on this forum or at
other
platforms that such and such book is available.

It is great to see some organization's catelogs on Book Bol, and after
knowing that those books are available, we could ask these organizations
to
provide them to us. As an example, I had obtained some books from NAB
Delhi
and Saksham, so why couldn't others do the same?

Just lending the name of Mahatma Gandhi to any issue does not give it
credibility, if you follow him, then he said that means are more
important
than the goal.



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of govind
reddy
Sent: 09 October 2009 04:03 AM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] 1. Re: New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
(Prashant
Verma)

Prashanth sir:
I have so much respect, concern, and support for you in this due to
many reasons to.
So nothing wrong in scanning a book. Go a head keep contributing the
same and much more. Well said and done regarding the difficulties in
getting reply from the publishers. I'm one of the actual sufferer of
these difficulties in the university. As I said Delhi and a very few
central universities are good in this matter. But it's only % of VI
will be able to acquire the admission in to these universities.
We should loby with PWD act. Happy reading reading and happy scanning.

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away; Don't call me a moon, I'll wane away; Call me a shadow, I'll be
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Re: [AI] 1. Re: New Book: Shadows Across the PlayingField (Prashant Verma)

[Subramani L]

Sure enough, we are not using them for free, as it is generally thought.
We pay for accessibility which perhaps the publisher himself can do. 

Subramani 

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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh
Kaushal
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 12:26 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] 1. Re: New Book: Shadows Across the PlayingField
(Prashant Verma)

Another point, someone wrote, that ebooks are 10 times more expensive. I
am
sorry to learn, but I get ebooks for lesser price than the hard copy.


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dinesh
Kaushal
Sent: 09 October 2009 12:01 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] 1. Re: New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
(Prashant Verma)

Wel,, it is getting interesting.

First of all, I do not have any objection in scanning and sharing. But
the
question is how do you ensure that only print impaired people get access
to
what we post here? Do you think that this forum is private? Do we ask
people
to provide proof of disability before they join?

And even book bol does not require anyone to provide proof of
disability.

I just googled with "Shadows Across the Playing Field"

On second page I got one of the Access India e-mails. And from there any
determined person would have  found it, and the copies would have
circulated
around. This way we are damaging the cause and disreputing our
community.

I support the Right To Read, and All the problems mentioned on this
forum
are the once that I have faced as well. And I would also like to get the
book as soon as it is published, but we will be further from our
objectives
if we follow this path. We have to convince the publishers that their
rights
are respected, else they will never agree. And Access India and Book Bol
will be closed the same way as napster was closed.

We already have platform to get what we want, for example, Organizations
for
the blind are in deed providing the access to books, why couldn't we
submit
the book to them? I agree that they have not been able to provide as
many
books as we need, but that is not a problem of their intent, it is an
issue
with management and resources. So all the resourceful persons should
scan
the books and submit to them, and then announce on this forum or at
other
platforms that such and such book is available.

It is great to see some organization's catelogs on Book Bol, and after
knowing that those books are available, we could ask these organizations
to
provide them to us. As an example, I had obtained some books from NAB
Delhi
and Saksham, so why couldn't others do the same?

Just lending the name of Mahatma Gandhi to any issue does not give it
credibility, if you follow him, then he said that means are more
important
than the goal.



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of govind
reddy
Sent: 09 October 2009 04:03 AM
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] 1. Re: New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field
(Prashant
Verma)

Prashanth sir:
I have so much respect, concern, and support for you in this due to
many reasons to.
So nothing wrong in scanning a book. Go a head keep contributing the
same and much more. Well said and done regarding the difficulties in
getting reply from the publishers. I'm one of the actual sufferer of
these difficulties in the university. As I said Delhi and a very few
central universities are good in this matter. But it's only % of VI
will be able to acquire the admission in to these universities.
We should loby with PWD act. Happy reading reading and happy scanning.

-- 
"Don't call me a flower, I'll dry up; Don't call me a deer, I'll run
away; Don't call me a moon, I'll wane away; Call me a shadow, I'll be
with you always."
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Email: sgred...@gmail.com
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[AI] distributing books

[Asudani, Rajesh]

So dinesh,
You are essentially saying that:
1. We should do our book related transactions through organizations of and for 
blind like NAB which can provide e text and daisy books to legally disabled 
persons on request.
2. refrain from publicly ask for books or post their availability notifications 
in fora of blind/disabled like AI Bookbole as it would entail their destruction 
sooner or later, and may make a book available to a non-disabled person.


Now, here, what even such organizations are doing is nothing but violation of 
copyrights, till the law is amended at least.
Making a fundamental right an exclusively  institutionalized and secretive act, 
in my opinion, is cowardly and oversubmissive.
I truly appreciate bookbole for their courage and openness.
World, according to me, operates on extremely surfacical  grounds and 
superfluous way.
Authors and publishers are not at all going to feel the need for making the 
materials accessible until they feel a pinch in their pockets by mass 
distributions of their copyrighted works amongst the disabled.
Anyway piracy is not highly uncommon even for general masses, so heavens are 
not going to fall if a few deserving disabled benefit.
Besides, my earlier argument about widening the reach of books to individuals 
who otherwise would never have got a chance to appreciate them, remains to be 
answered by anybody.
Besides, there is no justification of copyright or non-availability about 
educational books in accessible format to all.
UNCRPD talks of access to cultural material and IPR not being a barrier to it.
So, what are books but manifestations of cultural conscious?
Exclusively Institutionalizing a basic need and right for the fear that its 
open manifestation would entail legal proceedings does not appeal to me.
There was a time when living of blind/disabled and their pursuits of activity 
in general community were regarded dangerous and taxing resources too much. So, 
they were institutionalized as individuals fit for living only in institutions.
What is wrong in that?
Now, it is felt that books etc. should be provided secretly to disabled by 
their institutions as we are here for profit earnings and if we concede to 
demands of few persons with disabilities it would be too expensive and why 
bother about inferior minorities?

So let the business of publishing flourish unabated without being open to widen 
its prospects of catering to wider but different audience, and let the disabled 
crave for even the basic of their needs and rights by forming organizations who 
do the same illegal thing but secretly.
Let us bring it out in the open and strongly demand that right to read is the 
part and parcel of freedom of speech and expression and its illegitimate denial 
constitutes gross violation of our fundamental rights. Adequate safeguards can 
be envisaged once the right is recognized and accessibility is taken into 
account.
We have been cowards all these years, fearing even to distribute even 
educational and informational content.
Tagore had said:

"Let my country awaken into heaven,
where every one holds their head high,
Where knowledge is free..

And let me add: Accessible."

Lending names may not lend credibility to any cause, but it is more than 
sufficient if one person, say, Rajesh Asudani, thinks in a particular way.
I am not bound by dead past and great names.
And, yes, I am not willing to tolerate any comparisons of blind community to 
blood-thirsty acts, the person concerned has not withdrawn it still.
I am pained as a person who is blind and who is willing to openly advocate 
rights of persons with disabilities and who is willing to put up a fight with 
so called intellectuals who would not budge until their monetary interests are 
impinged upon.
The fact that by sharing a book amongst disabled, it may be available to a 
non-disabled person, is a bi-product and side effect and a necessary evil, 
which can be prevented by recognizing our most fundamental freedom of 
expression.
I am maddened when I see blind children simply at the mercy of readers or 
writers and groping for material to study.
Any law is a pittance before a helpless human being who requires the rights to 
lead a meaningful life.




Rajesh Asudani

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Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
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[AI] Fw: [tvi-discuss] Comments on inadequacy of voluntary measures to ensure equal access to copyrighted works for persons with reading disabilities

[Nirmita Narasimhan]

Hello All,
For your information.
Cheers, Nirmita

- Original Message - 
From: "James Love" 

To: "tvi" 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:06 PM
Subject: [tvi-discuss] Comments on inadequacy of voluntary measures to 
ensure equal access to copyrighted works for persons with reading 
disabilities




One of the main arguments by publishers against a WIPO treaty for
reading disabilities is that voluntary solutions are sufficient, and you
do not have to create a legal right to create and distribute works in
accessible formats.

Malini Aisola has created a web page that reports some of the comments
that various experts have made on this topic.  We hope to expand her web
page with additional quotes, and appreciate very much pointers to such
quotes.  Also, if people on this list would give us something we could
use, that would be great too.

The current version of the web page is here, and includes quotes from 9
experts and disabilities groups:

http://keionline.org/node/652


--
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Re: [AI] distributing books

[Mahesh Panicker]

I think although Dinesh tried to answer some of the issues I put forward, I
haven't got anything to justify publishers or libraries including those of
centrel universities like Jawaharlal Nehru University, not providing EBooks
to disabled, even though the books are available to non-disabled students.
and although there are sites like
questia.com
even those are expensive, and books are not available in portable formats,
and you need net connection to read them, as only online reading is
possible. if you need academic Ebooks, from publishers like sage or
routledge, their sites charge you very high indeed.
and if you are buying books, you have to put in additional unpaied labour of
scanning them.
so being at the wrong end of all these discrimination, I don't see any moral
obligation to submit to discriminating laws. what Gandhi asked was not to
submit to immoral laws, not using means that are based on arms. in scanning
and distributing scanned book, there is no use of arms.


On 10/9/09, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>
> So dinesh,
> You are essentially saying that:
> 1. We should do our book related transactions through organizations of and
> for blind like NAB which can provide e text and daisy books to legally
> disabled persons on request.
> 2. refrain from publicly ask for books or post their availability
> notifications in fora of blind/disabled like AI Bookbole as it would entail
> their destruction sooner or later, and may make a book available to a
> non-disabled person.
>
>
> Now, here, what even such organizations are doing is nothing but violation
> of copyrights, till the law is amended at least.
> Making a fundamental right an exclusively  institutionalized and secretive
> act, in my opinion, is cowardly and oversubmissive.
> I truly appreciate bookbole for their courage and openness.
> World, according to me, operates on extremely surfacical  grounds and
> superfluous way.
> Authors and publishers are not at all going to feel the need for making the
> materials accessible until they feel a pinch in their pockets by mass
> distributions of their copyrighted works amongst the disabled.
> Anyway piracy is not highly uncommon even for general masses, so heavens
> are not going to fall if a few deserving disabled benefit.
> Besides, my earlier argument about widening the reach of books to
> individuals who otherwise would never have got a chance to appreciate them,
> remains to be answered by anybody.
> Besides, there is no justification of copyright or non-availability about
> educational books in accessible format to all.
> UNCRPD talks of access to cultural material and IPR not being a barrier to
> it.
> So, what are books but manifestations of cultural conscious?
> Exclusively Institutionalizing a basic need and right for the fear that its
> open manifestation would entail legal proceedings does not appeal to me.
> There was a time when living of blind/disabled and their pursuits of
> activity in general community were regarded dangerous and taxing resources
> too much. So, they were institutionalized as individuals fit for living only
> in institutions.
> What is wrong in that?
> Now, it is felt that books etc. should be provided secretly to disabled by
> their institutions as we are here for profit earnings and if we concede to
> demands of few persons with disabilities it would be too expensive and why
> bother about inferior minorities?
>
> So let the business of publishing flourish unabated without being open to
> widen its prospects of catering to wider but different audience, and let the
> disabled crave for even the basic of their needs and rights by forming
> organizations who do the same illegal thing but secretly.
> Let us bring it out in the open and strongly demand that right to read is
> the part and parcel of freedom of speech and expression and its illegitimate
> denial constitutes gross violation of our fundamental rights. Adequate
> safeguards can be envisaged once the right is recognized and accessibility
> is taken into account.
> We have been cowards all these years, fearing even to distribute even
> educational and informational content.
> Tagore had said:
>
> "Let my country awaken into heaven,
> where every one holds their head high,
> Where knowledge is free..
>
> And let me add: Accessible."
>
> Lending names may not lend credibility to any cause, but it is more than
> sufficient if one person, say, Rajesh Asudani, thinks in a particular way.
> I am not bound by dead past and great names.
> And, yes, I am not willing to tolerate any comparisons of blind community
> to blood-thirsty acts, the person concerned has not withdrawn it still.
> I am pained as a person who is blind and who is willing to openly advocate
> rights of persons with disabilities and who is willing to put up a fight
> with so called intellectuals who would not budge until their monetary
> interests are impinged upon.
> The fact that by sharing a book amongst disabled, it may be available to a
> non-disabled

Re: [AI] distributing books

[Mukesh Sharma]

Just a simple question, how would you like to ensure the right of the
publisher / writer? Or would you simply say no to their right of earning
from their hard work? Though I completely understand the right to read and
support it completely but the worry is the question "Am I stepping on the
right of others?" "is this the right way to secure my rights?  
I believe, If we ensure the rights of the publishers and authors, their
coperation would certainly be with us or at the most we will be striving
towards a balanced liberal society. 
All, please take a note of that argument / disagreement to the ideas / views
does not mean disrespect in any manner and if I am hurting anyone , my
sincere apologies in advance.
Thanks
Mukesh
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh Panicker
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:43 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books

I think although Dinesh tried to answer some of the issues I put forward, I
haven't got anything to justify publishers or libraries including those of
centrel universities like Jawaharlal Nehru University, not providing EBooks
to disabled, even though the books are available to non-disabled students.
and although there are sites like
questia.com
even those are expensive, and books are not available in portable formats,
and you need net connection to read them, as only online reading is
possible. if you need academic Ebooks, from publishers like sage or
routledge, their sites charge you very high indeed.
and if you are buying books, you have to put in additional unpaied labour of
scanning them.
so being at the wrong end of all these discrimination, I don't see any moral
obligation to submit to discriminating laws. what Gandhi asked was not to
submit to immoral laws, not using means that are based on arms. in scanning
and distributing scanned book, there is no use of arms.


On 10/9/09, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>
> So dinesh,
> You are essentially saying that:
> 1. We should do our book related transactions through organizations of 
> and for blind like NAB which can provide e text and daisy books to 
> legally disabled persons on request.
> 2. refrain from publicly ask for books or post their availability 
> notifications in fora of blind/disabled like AI Bookbole as it would 
> entail their destruction sooner or later, and may make a book 
> available to a non-disabled person.
>
>
> Now, here, what even such organizations are doing is nothing but 
> violation of copyrights, till the law is amended at least.
> Making a fundamental right an exclusively  institutionalized and 
> secretive act, in my opinion, is cowardly and oversubmissive.
> I truly appreciate bookbole for their courage and openness.
> World, according to me, operates on extremely surfacical  grounds and 
> superfluous way.
> Authors and publishers are not at all going to feel the need for 
> making the materials accessible until they feel a pinch in their 
> pockets by mass distributions of their copyrighted works amongst the
disabled.
> Anyway piracy is not highly uncommon even for general masses, so 
> heavens are not going to fall if a few deserving disabled benefit.
> Besides, my earlier argument about widening the reach of books to 
> individuals who otherwise would never have got a chance to appreciate 
> them, remains to be answered by anybody.
> Besides, there is no justification of copyright or non-availability 
> about educational books in accessible format to all.
> UNCRPD talks of access to cultural material and IPR not being a 
> barrier to it.
> So, what are books but manifestations of cultural conscious?
> Exclusively Institutionalizing a basic need and right for the fear 
> that its open manifestation would entail legal proceedings does not appeal
to me.
> There was a time when living of blind/disabled and their pursuits of 
> activity in general community were regarded dangerous and taxing 
> resources too much. So, they were institutionalized as individuals fit 
> for living only in institutions.
> What is wrong in that?
> Now, it is felt that books etc. should be provided secretly to 
> disabled by their institutions as we are here for profit earnings and 
> if we concede to demands of few persons with disabilities it would be 
> too expensive and why bother about inferior minorities?
>
> So let the business of publishing flourish unabated without being open 
> to widen its prospects of catering to wider but different audience, 
> and let the disabled crave for even the basic of their needs and 
> rights by forming organizations who do the same illegal thing but
secretly.
> Let us bring it out in the open and strongly demand that right to read 
> is the part and parcel of freedom of speech and expression and its 
> illegitimate denial constitutes gross violation of our fundamental 
> rights. Adequate safeguards can be envisaged once the right is 
> rec

Re: [AI] distributing books

[Mukesh Sharma]

To add, I too can not justify Universities / educational institutes not
providing study material in accessible format, if a student has enrolled in
a course, it is his basic right as a student. 

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh Panicker
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:43 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books

I think although Dinesh tried to answer some of the issues I put forward, I
haven't got anything to justify publishers or libraries including those of
centrel universities like Jawaharlal Nehru University, not providing EBooks
to disabled, even though the books are available to non-disabled students.
and although there are sites like
questia.com
even those are expensive, and books are not available in portable formats,
and you need net connection to read them, as only online reading is
possible. if you need academic Ebooks, from publishers like sage or
routledge, their sites charge you very high indeed.
and if you are buying books, you have to put in additional unpaied labour of
scanning them.
so being at the wrong end of all these discrimination, I don't see any moral
obligation to submit to discriminating laws. what Gandhi asked was not to
submit to immoral laws, not using means that are based on arms. in scanning
and distributing scanned book, there is no use of arms.


On 10/9/09, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>
> So dinesh,
> You are essentially saying that:
> 1. We should do our book related transactions through organizations of 
> and for blind like NAB which can provide e text and daisy books to 
> legally disabled persons on request.
> 2. refrain from publicly ask for books or post their availability 
> notifications in fora of blind/disabled like AI Bookbole as it would 
> entail their destruction sooner or later, and may make a book 
> available to a non-disabled person.
>
>
> Now, here, what even such organizations are doing is nothing but 
> violation of copyrights, till the law is amended at least.
> Making a fundamental right an exclusively  institutionalized and 
> secretive act, in my opinion, is cowardly and oversubmissive.
> I truly appreciate bookbole for their courage and openness.
> World, according to me, operates on extremely surfacical  grounds and 
> superfluous way.
> Authors and publishers are not at all going to feel the need for 
> making the materials accessible until they feel a pinch in their 
> pockets by mass distributions of their copyrighted works amongst the
disabled.
> Anyway piracy is not highly uncommon even for general masses, so 
> heavens are not going to fall if a few deserving disabled benefit.
> Besides, my earlier argument about widening the reach of books to 
> individuals who otherwise would never have got a chance to appreciate 
> them, remains to be answered by anybody.
> Besides, there is no justification of copyright or non-availability 
> about educational books in accessible format to all.
> UNCRPD talks of access to cultural material and IPR not being a 
> barrier to it.
> So, what are books but manifestations of cultural conscious?
> Exclusively Institutionalizing a basic need and right for the fear 
> that its open manifestation would entail legal proceedings does not appeal
to me.
> There was a time when living of blind/disabled and their pursuits of 
> activity in general community were regarded dangerous and taxing 
> resources too much. So, they were institutionalized as individuals fit 
> for living only in institutions.
> What is wrong in that?
> Now, it is felt that books etc. should be provided secretly to 
> disabled by their institutions as we are here for profit earnings and 
> if we concede to demands of few persons with disabilities it would be 
> too expensive and why bother about inferior minorities?
>
> So let the business of publishing flourish unabated without being open 
> to widen its prospects of catering to wider but different audience, 
> and let the disabled crave for even the basic of their needs and 
> rights by forming organizations who do the same illegal thing but
secretly.
> Let us bring it out in the open and strongly demand that right to read 
> is the part and parcel of freedom of speech and expression and its 
> illegitimate denial constitutes gross violation of our fundamental 
> rights. Adequate safeguards can be envisaged once the right is 
> recognized and accessibility is taken into account.
> We have been cowards all these years, fearing even to distribute even 
> educational and informational content.
> Tagore had said:
>
> "Let my country awaken into heaven,
> where every one holds their head high, Where knowledge is free..
>
> And let me add: Accessible."
>
> Lending names may not lend credibility to any cause, but it is more 
> than sufficient if one person, say, Rajesh Asudani, thinks in a particular
way.
> I am not bound by dead past and great names.
> And, yes

[AI] Changing Current Time Zone.

[Amiyo Biswas]

Hello,

How can I change current time zone from a US time zone to Indian Standard Time 
in windows xp? I need to do it on a pc. I could not find out the option.

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Re: [AI] distributing books

[Dinesh Kaushal]

Well, I am not an expert on copyrights, and till now I had assumed that
organizations are permited to create copies for the use of blind persons.

But as per the cowardly and oversubmissive point, following the law does not
seem to me such, and working to make the changes is our right.

Legal framework is a basis for all civil societies, and unfortunately it is
becoming a fassion to denounce law. 

Another comparison, which may not be totally wrong. But before that let me
state that Right to read is really important and providing books through
organizations does not seem to me cowardly and oversubmissive.

Around 30 percent of Indian population is below poverty line, their basic
right to eat, proper life and dignity is vilated, would you all be ready to
be robbed of some portion of your money for that purpose? I know you may say
we are ready to give money for such cause, so are a few authors as well. But
the point is to give away your money without your consent. And how much
difference small contribution from you and me is goine to make for such a
large problem? We have to respect others property rights when we talk about
our own rights. 

In the meanwhile increasing the efforts to make it possible for blind
persons to access material could help.

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: 09 October 2009 03:59 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] distributing books

So dinesh,
You are essentially saying that:
1. We should do our book related transactions through organizations of and
for blind like NAB which can provide e text and daisy books to legally
disabled persons on request.
2. refrain from publicly ask for books or post their availability
notifications in fora of blind/disabled like AI Bookbole as it would entail
their destruction sooner or later, and may make a book available to a
non-disabled person.


Now, here, what even such organizations are doing is nothing but violation
of copyrights, till the law is amended at least.
Making a fundamental right an exclusively  institutionalized and secretive
act, in my opinion, is cowardly and oversubmissive.
I truly appreciate bookbole for their courage and openness.
World, according to me, operates on extremely surfacical  grounds and
superfluous way.
Authors and publishers are not at all going to feel the need for making the
materials accessible until they feel a pinch in their pockets by mass
distributions of their copyrighted works amongst the disabled.
Anyway piracy is not highly uncommon even for general masses, so heavens are
not going to fall if a few deserving disabled benefit.
Besides, my earlier argument about widening the reach of books to
individuals who otherwise would never have got a chance to appreciate them,
remains to be answered by anybody.
Besides, there is no justification of copyright or non-availability about
educational books in accessible format to all.
UNCRPD talks of access to cultural material and IPR not being a barrier to
it.
So, what are books but manifestations of cultural conscious?
Exclusively Institutionalizing a basic need and right for the fear that its
open manifestation would entail legal proceedings does not appeal to me.
There was a time when living of blind/disabled and their pursuits of
activity in general community were regarded dangerous and taxing resources
too much. So, they were institutionalized as individuals fit for living only
in institutions.
What is wrong in that?
Now, it is felt that books etc. should be provided secretly to disabled by
their institutions as we are here for profit earnings and if we concede to
demands of few persons with disabilities it would be too expensive and why
bother about inferior minorities?

So let the business of publishing flourish unabated without being open to
widen its prospects of catering to wider but different audience, and let the
disabled crave for even the basic of their needs and rights by forming
organizations who do the same illegal thing but secretly.
Let us bring it out in the open and strongly demand that right to read is
the part and parcel of freedom of speech and expression and its illegitimate
denial constitutes gross violation of our fundamental rights. Adequate
safeguards can be envisaged once the right is recognized and accessibility
is taken into account.
We have been cowards all these years, fearing even to distribute even
educational and informational content.
Tagore had said:

"Let my country awaken into heaven,
where every one holds their head high,
Where knowledge is free..

And let me add: Accessible."

Lending names may not lend credibility to any cause, but it is more than
sufficient if one person, say, Rajesh Asudani, thinks in a particular way.
I am not bound by dead past and great names.
And, yes, I am not willing to tolerate any comparisons of blind community to
blood-thirsty acts, the person concerned has not wit

Re: [AI] distributing books

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Suppose I am in a country of dogs where only dog food is supplied.
I am obliged to purchase it and then convert it into human food by any 
hypothetical means and eat it.
I demand that I would purchase the said dog food, if it is processed and 
converted into human food otherwise not.
But sellers insist that they would not do it at any cost.
I think I am fully justified to distribute such converted food anyhow obtained  
 to fellow human beings in order to satisfy the human hunger and also to make 
them-sellers-realize that there is demand for human food and they would do well 
to process it and earn their due share by selling human food in addition to dog 
food..
How am I infringing upon the rights of sellers?
Further, I am satisfying hunger of few humans who would otherwise have never 
satisfied hunger as they could not purchase or digest dog food, but were hungry 
nonetheless.

Rajesh Asudani

Assistant General Manager (PPS),
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349
Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
John Milton


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mukesh Sharma
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:08 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books

Just a simple question, how would you like to ensure the right of the
publisher / writer? Or would you simply say no to their right of earning
from their hard work? Though I completely understand the right to read and
support it completely but the worry is the question "Am I stepping on the
right of others?" "is this the right way to secure my rights?
I believe, If we ensure the rights of the publishers and authors, their
coperation would certainly be with us or at the most we will be striving
towards a balanced liberal society.
All, please take a note of that argument / disagreement to the ideas / views
does not mean disrespect in any manner and if I am hurting anyone , my
sincere apologies in advance.
Thanks
Mukesh
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh Panicker
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:43 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books

I think although Dinesh tried to answer some of the issues I put forward, I
haven't got anything to justify publishers or libraries including those of
centrel universities like Jawaharlal Nehru University, not providing EBooks
to disabled, even though the books are available to non-disabled students.
and although there are sites like
questia.com
even those are expensive, and books are not available in portable formats,
and you need net connection to read them, as only online reading is
possible. if you need academic Ebooks, from publishers like sage or
routledge, their sites charge you very high indeed.
and if you are buying books, you have to put in additional unpaied labour of
scanning them.
so being at the wrong end of all these discrimination, I don't see any moral
obligation to submit to discriminating laws. what Gandhi asked was not to
submit to immoral laws, not using means that are based on arms. in scanning
and distributing scanned book, there is no use of arms.


On 10/9/09, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>
> So dinesh,
> You are essentially saying that:
> 1. We should do our book related transactions through organizations of
> and for blind like NAB which can provide e text and daisy books to
> legally disabled persons on request.
> 2. refrain from publicly ask for books or post their availability
> notifications in fora of blind/disabled like AI Bookbole as it would
> entail their destruction sooner or later, and may make a book
> available to a non-disabled person.
>
>
> Now, here, what even such organizations are doing is nothing but
> violation of copyrights, till the law is amended at least.
> Making a fundamental right an exclusively  institutionalized and
> secretive act, in my opinion, is cowardly and oversubmissive.
> I truly appreciate bookbole for their courage and openness.
> World, according to me, operates on extremely surfacical  grounds and
> superfluous way.
> Authors and publishers are not at all going to feel the need for
> making the materials accessible until they feel a pinch in their
> pockets by mass distributions of their copyrighted works amongst the
disabled.
> Anyway piracy is not highly uncommon even for general masses, so
> heavens are not going to fall if a few deserving disabled benefit.
> Besides, my earlier argument about widening the reach of books to
> individuals who otherwise would never have got a chance to appreciate
> them, remains to be answered by anybody.
> Besides, there is no justification of copyright or non-availability
> about educational books in accessible format to all.
> UNCRPD talks of access to cultural material and IPR not being a
> barrier to it.
> So, what are books but

Re: [AI] Changing Current Time Zone.

[Satguru Rathi]

Hi,

Please do the following steps:

Open start>CTRL pannel,
Go to date&time and hit enter.
Press ctrl+tab to move to timezone page,
Here press tab once & choose GMT+5:30 from the combobox, and tab to OK 
button and hit enter to finish. It is done!

Note: you may need to reset your date&time as you are selecting a different 
timezone.

___
"Life's battle  do not always go, To the stronger or faster man. But sooner 
or later the one who wins, Is the one who thinks he Can".

Satguru.

Emails:
satgurura...@yahoo.co.in;best_mu...@rediffmail.com;tarannumra...@gmail.com
Skype: satgururathi
Mob: +9199 71 23 16 27
- Original Message - 
From: "Amiyo Biswas" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:15 PM
Subject: [AI] Changing Current Time Zone.


Hello,

How can I change current time zone from a US time zone to Indian Standard 
Time in windows xp? I need to do it on a pc. I could not find out the 
option.

Best regards,
Amiyo Biswas.
Cell: 91-9433464329


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Re: [AI] Deleting mails from Google Inbox

[niranjanraj urs]

Dear Friends,
I delete my mails  in gmail box as under.
1.I do it in basic html mode.
2.I check the received mails one by one by pressing the space bar.
Jaws will announce "checked" .
3 I will then press "b"  till I hear delete button and then press the
enter key. All the checked mails get deleted in one go.
4. Follow the the step at 2 with caution , as after checking some
unwanted mails, if one opens some other mail for reading, all other
checked mails get unchecked. Then one has to repeat the process all
over again.
Hope this will help you.
Niranjan

On 10/9/09, Ravi Paul  wrote:
> Hi, you can do the following to delete all your e-mails in Gmail:
> 1. Login to your gmail account using Internet explorer (I don't know
> about other browsers; firefox gives a lot of annoying alerts that are
> not Pleasant nor necessary to listen).
>  2. Switch to the standard view if you are using the Basic HTML view.
> 3. Go to the place where you find your mails (you can press the t key once
> I think to get there; it goes to the first table).
> 4. Arrow upward untill you hear something like "Select: All, None,
> Read, Unread, Starred, Unstarred" (note: JAWS wont inform you of it
> being a link; pressing the enter key on "all" should select the mails
> in the current page, and when you go down, you will find a link that
> says something like Select all x conversations in Inbox, on which if
> you click, all the mails in your inbox will get selected, below which
> you should find something like  "All x conversations in Inbox are
> selected"; where x is the number of e-mails in your inbox).
> 5. Go to the delete button pressing b and press enter.
> I don't know what will happen once you click on the delete button as I
> had too many e-mails to risk its consiquence; although you should be
> able to follow from there...
> Hope this helps as writing this one took rather long time, all be it
> that it was due to my own fault:). Do tell what happens as I am
> curious about what happens with this one...
> Regards, Ravi Paul`
>
>
>
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Re: [AI] distributing books

[Mukesh Sharma]

In the below example, you care about the seller's right to get money of the
products he supplies, "you are converting the product you "purchased" and
thus the seller is getting what he is entitled to. 
However in case if you rob him and then convert the food for your use, then?
I know, you too will agree it's being immoral and illegal too. 
The distribution of food is fully justified because you own the raw material
and the effort you put in to convert but what if some one robs you for his
hunger? How would you feel?
I do understand you are doing it for a cause and it is important to note and
understand that transformation of social order can not be and never been
silent or without a pain or even not confirming to all laws and morals.
And on top of that the right to read is not of equal degree to the right to
food.
Kill the sin and not the sinner, the sin here in our case is the lack of
awareness among the publishers, lack of infrastructure for providing
accessible books, lack of inclusiveness in copyright act.
Thanks
Mukesh



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:31 PM
To: mrmukeshsha...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books

Suppose I am in a country of dogs where only dog food is supplied.
I am obliged to purchase it and then convert it into human food by any
hypothetical means and eat it.
I demand that I would purchase the said dog food, if it is processed and
converted into human food otherwise not.
But sellers insist that they would not do it at any cost.
I think I am fully justified to distribute such converted food anyhow
obtained   to fellow human beings in order to satisfy the human hunger and
also to make them-sellers-realize that there is demand for human food and
they would do well to process it and earn their due share by selling human
food in addition to dog food..
How am I infringing upon the rights of sellers?
Further, I am satisfying hunger of few humans who would otherwise have never
satisfied hunger as they could not purchase or digest dog food, but were
hungry nonetheless.

Rajesh Asudani

Assistant General Manager (PPS),
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349
Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
John Milton


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mukesh Sharma
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:08 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books

Just a simple question, how would you like to ensure the right of the
publisher / writer? Or would you simply say no to their right of earning
from their hard work? Though I completely understand the right to read and
support it completely but the worry is the question "Am I stepping on the
right of others?" "is this the right way to secure my rights?
I believe, If we ensure the rights of the publishers and authors, their
coperation would certainly be with us or at the most we will be striving
towards a balanced liberal society.
All, please take a note of that argument / disagreement to the ideas / views
does not mean disrespect in any manner and if I am hurting anyone , my
sincere apologies in advance.
Thanks
Mukesh
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh Panicker
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:43 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books

I think although Dinesh tried to answer some of the issues I put forward, I
haven't got anything to justify publishers or libraries including those of
centrel universities like Jawaharlal Nehru University, not providing EBooks
to disabled, even though the books are available to non-disabled students.
and although there are sites like
questia.com
even those are expensive, and books are not available in portable formats,
and you need net connection to read them, as only online reading is
possible. if you need academic Ebooks, from publishers like sage or
routledge, their sites charge you very high indeed.
and if you are buying books, you have to put in additional unpaied labour of
scanning them.
so being at the wrong end of all these discrimination, I don't see any moral
obligation to submit to discriminating laws. what Gandhi asked was not to
submit to immoral laws, not using means that are based on arms. in scanning
and distributing scanned book, there is no use of arms.


On 10/9/09, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>
> So dinesh,
> You are essentially saying that:
> 1. We should do our book related transactions through organizations of 
> and for blind like NAB which can provide e text and daisy books to 
> legally disabled persons on request.
> 2. refrain from publicly ask for books or post their availability 
> notifications in fora of bli

Re: [AI] distributing books

[Subramani L]

Hai: 

Why do you have to think you are robbing? If a book sells for say 1
million copies, a publisher makes money from it. If a college purchases
it, the college would have obviously paid for it. So in what way a few
people who otherwise cannot use the book were to scan and use it?
Another question is that when you have conflicting laws in the country
which one should you follow and which you shouldn't? If UNCRPD is
adopted as part of our laws, we must follow it and its recommendation
that copyright laws should respect use of books and materials by print
disabled. Changing the copyright laws is the job of the government,
which they should have done the day they ratified UNCRPD. From our side,
people are pushing the case for a change, but should you and I wait for
the government to change? Suppose, if that doesn't happen until you and
I cross 60, do you say we should stay away from reading books? Why
should you guys get into an overdrive when it comes to following illegal
laws? 

Subramani 

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mukesh
Sharma
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:20 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books

In the below example, you care about the seller's right to get money of
the
products he supplies, "you are converting the product you "purchased"
and
thus the seller is getting what he is entitled to. 
However in case if you rob him and then convert the food for your use,
then?
I know, you too will agree it's being immoral and illegal too. 
The distribution of food is fully justified because you own the raw
material
and the effort you put in to convert but what if some one robs you for
his
hunger? How would you feel?
I do understand you are doing it for a cause and it is important to note
and
understand that transformation of social order can not be and never been
silent or without a pain or even not confirming to all laws and morals.
And on top of that the right to read is not of equal degree to the right
to
food.
Kill the sin and not the sinner, the sin here in our case is the lack of
awareness among the publishers, lack of infrastructure for providing
accessible books, lack of inclusiveness in copyright act.
Thanks
Mukesh



-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Asudani,
Rajesh
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:31 PM
To: mrmukeshsha...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books

Suppose I am in a country of dogs where only dog food is supplied.
I am obliged to purchase it and then convert it into human food by any
hypothetical means and eat it.
I demand that I would purchase the said dog food, if it is processed and
converted into human food otherwise not.
But sellers insist that they would not do it at any cost.
I think I am fully justified to distribute such converted food anyhow
obtained   to fellow human beings in order to satisfy the human hunger
and
also to make them-sellers-realize that there is demand for human food
and
they would do well to process it and earn their due share by selling
human
food in addition to dog food..
How am I infringing upon the rights of sellers?
Further, I am satisfying hunger of few humans who would otherwise have
never
satisfied hunger as they could not purchase or digest dog food, but were
hungry nonetheless.

Rajesh Asudani

Assistant General Manager (PPS),
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur
09420397185
O: 0712 2806676
Res: 0712 2591349
Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
John Milton


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mukesh
Sharma
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 5:08 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books

Just a simple question, how would you like to ensure the right of the
publisher / writer? Or would you simply say no to their right of earning
from their hard work? Though I completely understand the right to read
and
support it completely but the worry is the question "Am I stepping on
the
right of others?" "is this the right way to secure my rights?
I believe, If we ensure the rights of the publishers and authors, their
coperation would certainly be with us or at the most we will be striving
towards a balanced liberal society.
All, please take a note of that argument / disagreement to the ideas /
views
does not mean disrespect in any manner and if I am hurting anyone , my
sincere apologies in advance.
Thanks
Mukesh
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh
Panicker
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 4:43 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books

I think although Dinesh tried to answer some of the issues I put
forward, I
haven't got an

Re: [AI] distributing books

[prateek aggarwal]

I don’t know where this  thread  is onwarding to us, as the matter
being so sensitive and more then 1000 listers and their 10 views,
seems  that it’s enough for anyone to get boggled.
I’m wondering why we are still in contention on the legality  and
illegality  of books sharing, as we all somewhat concur about the
errors in our existing laws.
dear  intellectuals, can’t we just forget about the laws created by
state and follow the laws of our interior in this matter.
I agree to subramani sir, that if it really wounds the hearts of
authors, let them come with objections.
And, if it doesn’t, we have two options left I.E. either to continue
with the same process or  to redirect ourselves to the old era of
gawky life.
Rajesh sir,, hundred percent agreed that Authors and publishers are
not at all going to feel the need for making the materials accessible
until they feel a pinch in their pockets by mass distributions of
their copyrighted works amongst the disabled.

The problem is, that even though the books are converted and shared on
a good large basis now, yet I  don’t remember any author standing
against it.
Seriously, I want this message to reach to the right ears and let them
resist it. for sure they can resist only if they having better
alternative, which means agreeing to provide accessible coppies to us.

I’ve no problem if the publishers and authors agrees to provide
accessible coppies on their  original prize,  but as the delhi seems
too far from now, let’s continue the same and waite for that golden
day.
 In fact, let’s enlarge the sharing, so that we can at least make them
awake first.

As per is giving the responsibility of distributions to major welfare
organization is concern, can you guaranty that the blind  persons who
have  received the books won’t share it with any non print disables?
Ok, let me confess here, I’ve already shared a number of programming
books with my cited counterparts.
Then? who guaranties the  legal distribution?
About the Gandhi, if  I’m correct, he has affirmed “work by your own”
and theory of “ramrajya” which meant to follow your own subterranean
rather any state or government.
Centralizing the powers on one place is just an act of making the
process autocratic which is certainly irrational keeping the fact in
mind that india has a misfortune of having largest number of blind
persons.
Means largest harm of world if we make the process tyrannical.
as a resounding declaration in frunt of more then 1000 listers and to
any one else who may read this mail from the archives by googling or
else, I’ll continue sharing the books with even more fervor  until a
better alternative comes.

Well before I bind up this long mail, opinion expressed in this mail
are clearly belongs to me and even though I don’t regret for any of my
statements, yet you are free to disagree.
 wanna look inside me? My blog is the telescope:
 http://www.myfriendprateek.blogspot.com

 regards,
 prateek agarwal.
 Skype:
 Prateek_agarwal32
website:
http://www.prateekagarwal.webs.com

 Best solutions for all your softwares/websites development needs.
 You tell, I’ll build.


-- Original  message --
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 
To: "accessindia@accessindia.org.in" 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:59:12 +0530
Subject: [AI] distributing books
So dinesh,
You are essentially saying that:
1. We should do our book related transactions through organizations of
and for blind like NAB which can provide e text and daisy books to
legally disabled persons on request.
2. refrain from publicly ask for books or post their availability
notifications in fora of blind/disabled like AI Bookbole as it would
entail their destruction sooner or later, and may make a book
available to a non-disabled person.


Now, here, what even such organizations are doing is nothing but
violation of copyrights, till the law is amended at least.
Making a fundamental right an exclusively  institutionalized and
secretive act, in my opinion, is cowardly and oversubmissive.
I truly appreciate bookbole for their courage and openness.
World, according to me, operates on extremely surfacical  grounds and
superfluous way.
Authors and publishers are not at all going to feel the need for
making the materials accessible until they feel a pinch in their
pockets by mass distributions of their copyrighted works amongst the
disabled.
Anyway piracy is not highly uncommon even for general masses, so
heavens are not going to fall if a few deserving disabled benefit.
Besides, my earlier argument about widening the reach of books to
individuals who otherwise would never have got a chance to appreciate
them, remains to be answered by anybody.
Besides, there is no justification of copyright or non-availability
about educational books in accessible format to all.
UNCRPD talks of access to cultural material and IPR not being a barrier to it.
So, what are books but manifestations of cultural conscious?
Exclusively Institutionalizing a basic need and right for the fear
t

[AI] problem with talks

[tirumangalam sandeep]

dear AI members
 i have been using nokia n72 for the past 2 months  with talks
3.00.5 but recently it has stopped working it is not speaking at all
what might be the problem and how do i solve it
awaiting for responses



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Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field

[surya prakash sharma]

Hello friends,
i am joining this debate late due to other commitments. although not much 
has left to say on this topic, still I would like to support right to read 
movement. in my view Mr. Prashant is doing a great job by converting printed 
material into accessible format. we cannot call it piracy because there is 
no money motive behind his work.

sps
- Original Message - 
From: "Prashant Verma" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field


So much has been said on this topic that I need not argue any further. Many
thanks to all including Dr. Nisha, Dinesh and dear Mukesh for bringing up
various issues related to this topic. Rajesh, Subramani, Chetan and others
have advocated our rights extremely well.

I just need to clarify a few points:
I do not support piracy. I do not consider providing books in accessible
formats to visually impaired persons who would otherwise would have been
deprived of this knowledge an act of piracy.

My intention in this case was as always to provide the book to print
impaired persons and that is why I posted it on a website meant for visually
impaired persons and informed a visually impaired mailing list about its
availability. Aren’t all the libraries and organizations for the visually
impaired doing a similar job for decades?

I do take care and try not to give these books to non-disabled persons. I do
respect the right of authors, and understand that they have a right to the
income from the sale of their works. And this is why I have never shared all
those digital copies I have acquired from the publishers or libraries
directly as these books can be purchased/acquired by all visually impaired
persons from them.

The fact that less than 4% of the published knowledge is available in
accessible formats troubles me a lot. Access to information is a key to
education, vocation and overall growth. The present copyright laws and the
publishing industry mind-set is preventing us from our basic human rights.
My National Award tag urges me to take up this issue and do my little bit
and that is why I referred to "Right to Read" in my earlier mail. I am glad
that there is a greater awareness within the print impaired community since
they have to push for changes in the present system. I hope someday
publishers start providing accessible formats either voluntarily or due to
legal obligations and then I will not have to scan dozens and dozens of
books for my University students every week.

And by the way, availability of accessible format is not enough, it must
happen at the same time and at no extra cost. I am tired of asking students
to wait for few weeks to 3 months for an accessible copy of their book
whereas their peers get to read it on the first day. In such a situation, I
can't really demand competitiveness and efficiency from my students. As far
as asking for soft copies and permissions for conversion to accessible
formats from Publishers is concerned, few AI members   are witness to the
indifferent treatment we often get as it also happened on 6th & 8th October
when we went to meet two Governmental content producers .

Survey quoted from:
http://www.worldblindunion.org/en/right-to-read.html

Regards,

Prashant Ranjan Verma

www.prashant.myehome.in


--
From: "Renuka Warrier" 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 9:09 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field


Until this work has been done for a social cause ,not  for any commercial
gain, I see no harm in scanning the books and sharing it with others.

Renuka.
- Original Message - 
From: "govind reddy" 

To: "accessindia" 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] New Book: Shadows Across the Playing Field


Dear Nisha Sing and others:
1. Scanning a book and distributing with in our own community is  a
big crime to be debated upon, to be discussed for hours together
wasting our precious time and energy?
If it is such a big crime, many in the colleges (So called the sighted
persons), inspite of having many accessible books and library
fecilities, still photo copy the books, why is it so?
Did you dare to point them out this? I’m sure you wouldn’t have, even
if you have tried, I’m also sure that you might have failed.
Do you know how many invaluable desertations, research papers and
books published by the current publishers and authors, I left with out
reading and interpreting them?
Do you know the valuable books I was deprived of reading?
Do you know the insults I had confronted in pursuing my higher education?
Do you know how difficult it is to learn a forign language?
Do you know how bad the universities are at providing the fecilities
for a VI person???
The wold is not in Delhi and USA. It is there through out India.
2. If you are such an honest person, do you have the copies of all
softwares you use?
Do you have the legal copies of Windows, M S Office, JAW

Re: [AI] Computer clock haywire

[surya narayana]

As I don't have time to answer all your clearies, I couldn't contact
in time. I have read and understood all the replies. No problem you
can check your time sichronise with internet. but you need to change
the time zone that is 5.30 GMT. then your problem will be salbed.
Moreover your time will be updated very well with internet. I hope you
have understood the prosedure properly. If you need help, please don't
hesitate to contact me.
Yours,
Surya.

On 10/5/09, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
> Friends
> The clock of my computer has gone haywire.
> I mean it lags behind a few hours every time I start my computer.
> While running the PC, I think it keeps the correct time but goes to slumber
> once I switch it off.
> It brings me to seek from you the probable causes of the same and possible
> remedy as well.
> I am also curious to know what keeps the clock going while PC is switched
> off, or a cell phone is switched off.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Rajesh Asudani
>
> Assistant General Manager (PPS),
> Reserve Bank of India
> Nagpur
> 09420397185
> O: 0712 2806676
> Res: 0712 2591349
> Doth God exact day-labour, light denied?"
> John Milton
>
>
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Re: [AI] distributing books

[Dinesh Kaushal]

dear  intellectuals, can't we just forget about the laws created by state
and follow the laws of our interior in this matter.


If we follow this logic, then where do we stop? And who will define where
should we stop? Each of us should define what should be or should not be the
law? So someone may come along and say that PWD is state law and we will not
follow it? Why should I follow any laws for that matter?

I think I can not discuss further, because when everything can be bent to
suit the need, no point in discussion, law is what we believe in, law is
what we want. Don't know where would this lead, so I refuse to run further.


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of prateek
aggarwal
Sent: 09 October 2009 06:44 PM
To: accessindia
Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books

I don't know where this  thread  is onwarding to us, as the matter
being so sensitive and more then 1000 listers and their 10 views,
seems  that it's enough for anyone to get boggled.
I'm wondering why we are still in contention on the legality  and
illegality  of books sharing, as we all somewhat concur about the
errors in our existing laws.
dear  intellectuals, can't we just forget about the laws created by
state and follow the laws of our interior in this matter.
I agree to subramani sir, that if it really wounds the hearts of
authors, let them come with objections.
And, if it doesn't, we have two options left I.E. either to continue
with the same process or  to redirect ourselves to the old era of
gawky life.
Rajesh sir,, hundred percent agreed that Authors and publishers are
not at all going to feel the need for making the materials accessible
until they feel a pinch in their pockets by mass distributions of
their copyrighted works amongst the disabled.

The problem is, that even though the books are converted and shared on
a good large basis now, yet I  don't remember any author standing
against it.
Seriously, I want this message to reach to the right ears and let them
resist it. for sure they can resist only if they having better
alternative, which means agreeing to provide accessible coppies to us.

I've no problem if the publishers and authors agrees to provide
accessible coppies on their  original prize,  but as the delhi seems
too far from now, let's continue the same and waite for that golden
day.
 In fact, let's enlarge the sharing, so that we can at least make them
awake first.

As per is giving the responsibility of distributions to major welfare
organization is concern, can you guaranty that the blind  persons who
have  received the books won't share it with any non print disables?
Ok, let me confess here, I've already shared a number of programming
books with my cited counterparts.
Then? who guaranties the  legal distribution?
About the Gandhi, if  I'm correct, he has affirmed "work by your own"
and theory of "ramrajya" which meant to follow your own subterranean
rather any state or government.
Centralizing the powers on one place is just an act of making the
process autocratic which is certainly irrational keeping the fact in
mind that india has a misfortune of having largest number of blind
persons.
Means largest harm of world if we make the process tyrannical.
as a resounding declaration in frunt of more then 1000 listers and to
any one else who may read this mail from the archives by googling or
else, I'll continue sharing the books with even more fervor  until a
better alternative comes.

Well before I bind up this long mail, opinion expressed in this mail
are clearly belongs to me and even though I don't regret for any of my
statements, yet you are free to disagree.
 wanna look inside me? My blog is the telescope:
 http://www.myfriendprateek.blogspot.com

 regards,
 prateek agarwal.
 Skype:
 Prateek_agarwal32
website:
http://www.prateekagarwal.webs.com

 Best solutions for all your softwares/websites development needs.
 You tell, I'll build.


-- Original  message --
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 
To: "accessindia@accessindia.org.in" 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:59:12 +0530
Subject: [AI] distributing books
So dinesh,
You are essentially saying that:
1. We should do our book related transactions through organizations of
and for blind like NAB which can provide e text and daisy books to
legally disabled persons on request.
2. refrain from publicly ask for books or post their availability
notifications in fora of blind/disabled like AI Bookbole as it would
entail their destruction sooner or later, and may make a book
available to a non-disabled person.


Now, here, what even such organizations are doing is nothing but
violation of copyrights, till the law is amended at least.
Making a fundamental right an exclusively  institutionalized and
secretive act, in my opinion, is cowardly and oversubmissive.
I truly appreciate bookbole for their courage and openness.
World, according to me, operates on extremely surfacical  g

Re: [AI] distributing books

[Vamshi. G]

HI,

If converting books into accessible format is piracy, what is taking
xerox copies of those books.  Doesn't it amount to piracy and
violating the laws?  So, ask those lakhs of xerox shop keepers to
close their shops first, and then we will think of copyrights in
India.

Once I went to I I M, Banglore and I found a xerox shop where we can
take xerox copies of books, journals and even some portion of their
PhD theses.  So, when a premier educational institution in India is
doing it openly, why should we refrain ourselves from doing so?


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On 10/9/09, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
> So dinesh,
> You are essentially saying that:
> 1. We should do our book related transactions through organizations of and
> for blind like NAB which can provide e text and daisy books to legally
> disabled persons on request.
> 2. refrain from publicly ask for books or post their availability
> notifications in fora of blind/disabled like AI Bookbole as it would entail
> their destruction sooner or later, and may make a book available to a
> non-disabled person.
>
>
> Now, here, what even such organizations are doing is nothing but violation
> of copyrights, till the law is amended at least.
> Making a fundamental right an exclusively  institutionalized and secretive
> act, in my opinion, is cowardly and oversubmissive.
> I truly appreciate bookbole for their courage and openness.
> World, according to me, operates on extremely surfacical  grounds and
> superfluous way.
> Authors and publishers are not at all going to feel the need for making the
> materials accessible until they feel a pinch in their pockets by mass
> distributions of their copyrighted works amongst the disabled.
> Anyway piracy is not highly uncommon even for general masses, so heavens are
> not going to fall if a few deserving disabled benefit.
> Besides, my earlier argument about widening the reach of books to
> individuals who otherwise would never have got a chance to appreciate them,
> remains to be answered by anybody.
> Besides, there is no justification of copyright or non-availability about
> educational books in accessible format to all.
> UNCRPD talks of access to cultural material and IPR not being a barrier to
> it.
> So, what are books but manifestations of cultural conscious?
> Exclusively Institutionalizing a basic need and right for the fear that its
> open manifestation would entail legal proceedings does not appeal to me.
> There was a time when living of blind/disabled and their pursuits of
> activity in general community were regarded dangerous and taxing resources
> too much. So, they were institutionalized as individuals fit for living only
> in institutions.
> What is wrong in that?
> Now, it is felt that books etc. should be provided secretly to disabled by
> their institutions as we are here for profit earnings and if we concede to
> demands of few persons with disabilities it would be too expensive and why
> bother about inferior minorities?
>
> So let the business of publishing flourish unabated without being open to
> widen its prospects of catering to wider but different audience, and let the
> disabled crave for even the basic of their needs and rights by forming
> organizations who do the same illegal thing but secretly.
> Let us bring it out in the open and strongly demand that right to read is
> the part and parcel of freedom of speech and expression and its illegitimate
> denial constitutes gross violation of our fundamental rights. Adequate
> safeguards can be envisaged once the right is recognized and accessibility
> is taken into account.
> We have been cowards all these years, fearing even to distribute even
> educational and informational content.
> Tagore had said:
>
> "Let my country awaken into heaven,
> where every one holds their head high,
> Where knowledge is free..
>
> And let me add: Accessible."
>
> Lending names may not lend credibility to any cause, but it is more than
> sufficient if one person, say, Rajesh Asudani, thinks in a particular way.
> I am not bound by dead past and great names.
> And, yes, I am not willing to tolerate any comparisons of blind community to
> blood-thirsty acts, the person concerned has not withdrawn it still.
> I am pained as a person who is blind and who is willing to openly advocate
> rights of persons with disabilities and who is willing to put up a fight
> with so called intellectuals who would not budge until their monetary
> interests are impinged upon.
> The fact that by sharing a book amongst disabled, it may be available to a
> non-disabled person, is a bi-product and side effect and a necessary evil,
> which can be prevented by recognizing our most fundamental freedom of
> expression.
> I am maddened when I see blind children simply at the mercy of readers or
> writers and groping for material to study.
> Any law is a pittance 

[AI] Swami vivekanand's speech.

[surya prakash sharma]

Hello friends,
I have uploaded Swami Vivekanand's famous speach  in his own voice at sendspace 
from the september issue of Listener's club. Thanks to BPA and Mr. Ranchhod 
soni for the same.
the download link is:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/vtxgxh

with best regards,
S. P. Sharma
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Mobile: 09461306764
Landline: 0141-2341787
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Re: [AI] Swami vivekanand's speech.

[Amiyo Biswas]

Hello,

I once saw the cd. Is it possible that Swamiji Vivekananda's speech was 
recorded when recording was at an early stage? And if so, why was it not 
published so long? As far as I know, the first-ever recording in Kolkata was 
done in 1906. Swamiji died in 1902. If we take for granted, the recording 
was done abroad, he returned from his tour of America and Europe in 1897. 
Perhaps our friends studying or teaching history may enlighten us better.


I shall download it, of course. Thank you for the upload.

Best regards,
Amiyo Biswas.
Cell: 91-9433464329



- Original Message - 
From: "surya prakash sharma" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:16 PM
Subject: [AI] Swami vivekanand's speech.



Hello friends,
I have uploaded Swami Vivekanand's famous speach  in his own voice at 
sendspace from the september issue of Listener's club. Thanks to BPA and 
Mr. Ranchhod soni for the same.

the download link is:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/vtxgxh

with best regards,
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e-mail: surya.sharm...@gmail.com
Mobile: 09461306764
Landline: 0141-2341787
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Re: [AI] distributing books

[Vetrivel Adhimoolam]

I think instead of fighting over words, this is one issue that requires 
social activism. It is the high time that we demand the government of India 
to pass suitable law to make books/other printed materials available to the 
visually challenged persons in accessible format. Unless our energy gets 
mobilized in this direction, this threat is going to lead us nowhere. 
Perhaps a few others will comment, someone will throw personalized 
statements, the moderator finally will intervene and put a full stop and the 
issue will vanish from the radar. I am sure that those who care about 
accessibility are not looking for such an useless end to this meaningful 
debate. Just my thoughts.


Vetri.

- Original Message - 
From: "Vamshi. G" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books



HI,

If converting books into accessible format is piracy, what is taking
xerox copies of those books.  Doesn't it amount to piracy and
violating the laws?  So, ask those lakhs of xerox shop keepers to
close their shops first, and then we will think of copyrights in
India.

Once I went to I I M, Banglore and I found a xerox shop where we can
take xerox copies of books, journals and even some portion of their
PhD theses.  So, when a premier educational institution in India is
doing it openly, why should we refrain ourselves from doing so?


--
G. Vamshi
PH Res : +91 877-2243861
Mobile: +91 9949349497
E-mail ID:
gvamsh...@gmail.com
Skype: gvamshi81

God helps those who help themselves



On 10/9/09, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:

So dinesh,
You are essentially saying that:
1. We should do our book related transactions through organizations of 
and

for blind like NAB which can provide e text and daisy books to legally
disabled persons on request.
2. refrain from publicly ask for books or post their availability
notifications in fora of blind/disabled like AI Bookbole as it would 
entail

their destruction sooner or later, and may make a book available to a
non-disabled person.


Now, here, what even such organizations are doing is nothing but 
violation

of copyrights, till the law is amended at least.
Making a fundamental right an exclusively  institutionalized and 
secretive

act, in my opinion, is cowardly and oversubmissive.
I truly appreciate bookbole for their courage and openness.
World, according to me, operates on extremely surfacical  grounds and
superfluous way.
Authors and publishers are not at all going to feel the need for making 
the

materials accessible until they feel a pinch in their pockets by mass
distributions of their copyrighted works amongst the disabled.
Anyway piracy is not highly uncommon even for general masses, so heavens 
are

not going to fall if a few deserving disabled benefit.
Besides, my earlier argument about widening the reach of books to
individuals who otherwise would never have got a chance to appreciate 
them,

remains to be answered by anybody.
Besides, there is no justification of copyright or non-availability about
educational books in accessible format to all.
UNCRPD talks of access to cultural material and IPR not being a barrier 
to

it.
So, what are books but manifestations of cultural conscious?
Exclusively Institutionalizing a basic need and right for the fear that 
its

open manifestation would entail legal proceedings does not appeal to me.
There was a time when living of blind/disabled and their pursuits of
activity in general community were regarded dangerous and taxing 
resources
too much. So, they were institutionalized as individuals fit for living 
only

in institutions.
What is wrong in that?
Now, it is felt that books etc. should be provided secretly to disabled 
by
their institutions as we are here for profit earnings and if we concede 
to
demands of few persons with disabilities it would be too expensive and 
why

bother about inferior minorities?

So let the business of publishing flourish unabated without being open to
widen its prospects of catering to wider but different audience, and let 
the

disabled crave for even the basic of their needs and rights by forming
organizations who do the same illegal thing but secretly.
Let us bring it out in the open and strongly demand that right to read is
the part and parcel of freedom of speech and expression and its 
illegitimate

denial constitutes gross violation of our fundamental rights. Adequate
safeguards can be envisaged once the right is recognized and 
accessibility

is taken into account.
We have been cowards all these years, fearing even to distribute even
educational and informational content.
Tagore had said:

"Let my country awaken into heaven,
where every one holds their head high,
Where knowledge is free..

And let me add: Accessible."

Lending names may not lend credibility to any cause, but it is more than
sufficient if one person, say, Rajesh Asudani, thinks in a particular 
way.

I am not bound by dead past and great names.
And, yes, I am not willing to tolerate any comp

[AI] Good news for Punjabi language users.

[mahesh.khosla]

Hello friends.
As subject line says, Now we have a TTS for the language Punjabi.
I live in Punjab and i have to do a lot of work in this language, But there 
was not any TTS available  for this language.
to edit a document was a difficult work for me, and i was searching  for 
something that can help me.
For hindi we have now 4 or 5 TTS available , But for Punjabi, there was not 
any.

I tried a lot and finely developer  of eSpeak gave me a helping hand.
It is possible  now to read Punjabi with the help of ESpeak.I have never 
tried safa yet but with jaws and NVDA we can do it.

Latest ESpeak can be downloaded from this link--
http://espeak.sf.net/test/latest.html

we will now going to improve it further , After testing it anybody can give 
us suggestions , And with the help of developer  of ESpeak I will try to 
correct the error.

My email ID is
mahesh.kho...@gmail.com
Skype ID is
maheshinder
and phone number is--
09781120333
With regards.
Maheshinder 





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Re: [AI] distributing books

[George Abraham]

The need of the hour is social activism, awareness building that focuses on 
the need for  making available books in accessible formats, negotiation and 
call for legislation.

Right to read is ours,  but then the authors and publishers too have their 
rights.  It is middle ground that we need to find for a meaningful way 
forward. This discussion has given me a fair bit of content as possible 
content  for my presentation  at the forthcoming Regional Conference being 
organised by WIPE.
- Original Message - 
From: "Vetrivel Adhimoolam" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books


I think instead of fighting over words, this is one issue that requires
social activism. It is the high time that we demand the government of India
to pass suitable law to make books/other printed materials available to the
visually challenged persons in accessible format. Unless our energy gets
mobilized in this direction, this threat is going to lead us nowhere.
Perhaps a few others will comment, someone will throw personalized
statements, the moderator finally will intervene and put a full stop and the
issue will vanish from the radar. I am sure that those who care about
accessibility are not looking for such an useless end to this meaningful
debate. Just my thoughts.

Vetri.

- Original Message - 
From: "Vamshi. G" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books


> HI,
>
> If converting books into accessible format is piracy, what is taking
> xerox copies of those books.  Doesn't it amount to piracy and
> violating the laws?  So, ask those lakhs of xerox shop keepers to
> close their shops first, and then we will think of copyrights in
> India.
>
> Once I went to I I M, Banglore and I found a xerox shop where we can
> take xerox copies of books, journals and even some portion of their
> PhD theses.  So, when a premier educational institution in India is
> doing it openly, why should we refrain ourselves from doing so?
>
>
> -- 
> G. Vamshi
> PH Res : +91 877-2243861
> Mobile: +91 9949349497
> E-mail ID:
> gvamsh...@gmail.com
> Skype: gvamshi81
>
> God helps those who help themselves
>
>
>
> On 10/9/09, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>> So dinesh,
>> You are essentially saying that:
>> 1. We should do our book related transactions through organizations of
>> and
>> for blind like NAB which can provide e text and daisy books to legally
>> disabled persons on request.
>> 2. refrain from publicly ask for books or post their availability
>> notifications in fora of blind/disabled like AI Bookbole as it would
>> entail
>> their destruction sooner or later, and may make a book available to a
>> non-disabled person.
>>
>>
>> Now, here, what even such organizations are doing is nothing but
>> violation
>> of copyrights, till the law is amended at least.
>> Making a fundamental right an exclusively  institutionalized and
>> secretive
>> act, in my opinion, is cowardly and oversubmissive.
>> I truly appreciate bookbole for their courage and openness.
>> World, according to me, operates on extremely surfacical  grounds and
>> superfluous way.
>> Authors and publishers are not at all going to feel the need for making
>> the
>> materials accessible until they feel a pinch in their pockets by mass
>> distributions of their copyrighted works amongst the disabled.
>> Anyway piracy is not highly uncommon even for general masses, so heavens
>> are
>> not going to fall if a few deserving disabled benefit.
>> Besides, my earlier argument about widening the reach of books to
>> individuals who otherwise would never have got a chance to appreciate
>> them,
>> remains to be answered by anybody.
>> Besides, there is no justification of copyright or non-availability about
>> educational books in accessible format to all.
>> UNCRPD talks of access to cultural material and IPR not being a barrier
>> to
>> it.
>> So, what are books but manifestations of cultural conscious?
>> Exclusively Institutionalizing a basic need and right for the fear that
>> its
>> open manifestation would entail legal proceedings does not appeal to me.
>> There was a time when living of blind/disabled and their pursuits of
>> activity in general community were regarded dangerous and taxing
>> resources
>> too much. So, they were institutionalized as individuals fit for living
>> only
>> in institutions.
>> What is wrong in that?
>> Now, it is felt that books etc. should be provided secretly to disabled
>> by
>> their institutions as we are here for profit earnings and if we concede
>> to
>> demands of few persons with disabilities it would be too expensive and
>> why
>> bother about inferior minorities?
>>
>> So let the business of publishing flourish unabated without being open to
>> widen its prospects of catering to wider but different audience, and let
>> the
>> disabled crave for even the basic of their needs and rights by forming
>> organizations who do the same illegal thing but secretly

[AI] Fwd: managerial economics books in 12 parts uploaded

[Vamshi. G]

Hi friends,

One of our friends has uploaded the above mentioned book in mp3
format.  So, you can download it if you need it.

It won't be there for a long time.  Already 2 or 3 days has expired.
So, hurry up!

-- 
G. Vamshi
PH Res : +91 877-2243861
Mobile: +91 9949349497
E-mail ID:
gvamsh...@gmail.com
Skype: gvamshi81

God helps those who help themselves



-- Forwarded message --
From: mukesh jain 
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 07:12:31 +0530
Subject: [SayEverything] managerial economics books in 12 parts uploaded
To: sayeverything 

Hello, this is to kindly inform you that I have uploaded one book for
MBA course titled “Managerial economics” in 12 parts. This book is in
audio format and I found it very useful as it contains lots of
valuable information to simplify this subject. If you like the same
then please do let me know so that I can upload the other books too
for MBA students and for the people interested in having the access to
the same.
So kindly find the links below for this book.

File 1:
File name: 08_01_Managerial Economical Nature and Scope.mp3
File size: 33 MB
Description: 08_01_Managerial Economical Nature and Scope.mp3

You can use the following link to retrieve your file:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/yvs2v8

file 2: 08_02_Profit.mp3
file size: 44MB
Description: 08_02_Profit.mp3

You can use the following link to retrieve your file:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/j239ua

file 3: 08_03_Demand Analysis-01.mp3
file size: 44MB
description: 08_03_Demand Analysis-01.mp3

You can use the following link to retrieve your file:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/4cfq76

file 4: 08_04_Demand Analysis-02.mp3
file size: 59 MB
Description: 08_04_Demand Analysis-02.mp3

You can use the following link to retrieve your file:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/xq85zf

file 5: 08_05_Supply.mp3
file size: 42MB
Description: 08_05_Supply.mp3

You can use the following link to retrieve your file:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/97qzr3

file 6: 08_06_Production.mp3
file size: 66MB
Description: 08_06_Production.mp3

You can use the following link to retrieve your file:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/2zy279

file 7: 08_07_Costs.mp3
file size: 38 MB
Description: 08_07_Costs.mp3

You can use the following link to retrieve your file:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/r6hzxa

file 8: 08_08_Markets-01.mp3
file size: 32MB
Description: 08_08_Markets-01.mp3

You can use the following link to retrieve your file:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/vkeius

file 9: 08_09_Markets-02.mp3
file size: 48MB
Description: 08_09_Markets-02.mp3

You can use the following link to retrieve your file:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/evan7f

file 10: 08_10_Pricing Practices.mp3
file size: 15MB
Description: 08_10_Pricing Practices.mp3

You can use the following link to retrieve your file:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/ejyl1b

file 11: 08_11_Macro Economic Analysis.mp3
file size: 41MB
Description: 08_11_Macro Economic Analysis.mp3

You can use the following link to retrieve your file:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/aklvm6

file 12: 08_12_Government and Private Business.mp3
file size: 25MB
Description: 08_12_Government and Private Business.mp3

You can use the following link to retrieve your file:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/famp5t

please note that these files may be available for limited period only.
So enjoy the download.
regards,
mukesh jain.




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Re: [AI] Good news for Punjabi language users.

[surya narayana]

Hello mahesh,
Congrats to your success. I'm really feel proud of you. such guys
should come forward to develope such things.I hope it can be an
inspiration for many youngsters who work in this field. please
continue your efforts.
Thanks and regards,
Yours,
Surya.

On 10/10/09, mahesh.khosla  wrote:
> Hello friends.
> As subject line says, Now we have a TTS for the language Punjabi.
> I live in Punjab and i have to do a lot of work in this language, But there
> was not any TTS available  for this language.
> to edit a document was a difficult work for me, and i was searching  for
> something that can help me.
> For hindi we have now 4 or 5 TTS available , But for Punjabi, there was not
> any.
> I tried a lot and finely developer  of eSpeak gave me a helping hand.
> It is possible  now to read Punjabi with the help of ESpeak.I have never
> tried safa yet but with jaws and NVDA we can do it.
> Latest ESpeak can be downloaded from this link--
> http://espeak.sf.net/test/latest.html
>
> we will now going to improve it further , After testing it anybody can give
> us suggestions , And with the help of developer  of ESpeak I will try to
> correct the error.
> My email ID is
> mahesh.kho...@gmail.com
> Skype ID is
> maheshinder
> and phone number is--
> 09781120333
> With regards.
> Maheshinder
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AI] Fwd: managerial economics books in 12 parts uploaded

[samuel rodrigues]

well if the file is being downloaded regularly once in 7 days, then
then the file will not expire.
regards
Samuel

On 10/10/09, Vamshi. G  wrote:
> Hi friends,
>
> One of our friends has uploaded the above mentioned book in mp3
> format.  So, you can download it if you need it.
>
> It won't be there for a long time.  Already 2 or 3 days has expired.
> So, hurry up!
>
> --
> G. Vamshi
> PH Res : +91 877-2243861
> Mobile: +91 9949349497
> E-mail ID:
> gvamsh...@gmail.com
> Skype: gvamshi81
>
> God helps those who help themselves
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: mukesh jain 
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 07:12:31 +0530
> Subject: [SayEverything] managerial economics books in 12 parts uploaded
> To: sayeverything 
>
> Hello, this is to kindly inform you that I have uploaded one book for
> MBA course titled “Managerial economics” in 12 parts. This book is in
> audio format and I found it very useful as it contains lots of
> valuable information to simplify this subject. If you like the same
> then please do let me know so that I can upload the other books too
> for MBA students and for the people interested in having the access to
> the same.
> So kindly find the links below for this book.
>
> File 1:
> File name: 08_01_Managerial Economical Nature and Scope.mp3
> File size: 33 MB
> Description: 08_01_Managerial Economical Nature and Scope.mp3
>
> You can use the following link to retrieve your file:
>
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/yvs2v8
>
> file 2: 08_02_Profit.mp3
> file size: 44MB
> Description: 08_02_Profit.mp3
>
> You can use the following link to retrieve your file:
>
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/j239ua
>
> file 3: 08_03_Demand Analysis-01.mp3
> file size: 44MB
> description: 08_03_Demand Analysis-01.mp3
>
> You can use the following link to retrieve your file:
>
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/4cfq76
>
> file 4: 08_04_Demand Analysis-02.mp3
> file size: 59 MB
> Description: 08_04_Demand Analysis-02.mp3
>
> You can use the following link to retrieve your file:
>
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/xq85zf
>
> file 5: 08_05_Supply.mp3
> file size: 42MB
> Description: 08_05_Supply.mp3
>
> You can use the following link to retrieve your file:
>
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/97qzr3
>
> file 6: 08_06_Production.mp3
> file size: 66MB
> Description: 08_06_Production.mp3
>
> You can use the following link to retrieve your file:
>
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/2zy279
>
> file 7: 08_07_Costs.mp3
> file size: 38 MB
> Description: 08_07_Costs.mp3
>
> You can use the following link to retrieve your file:
>
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/r6hzxa
>
> file 8: 08_08_Markets-01.mp3
> file size: 32MB
> Description: 08_08_Markets-01.mp3
>
> You can use the following link to retrieve your file:
>
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/vkeius
>
> file 9: 08_09_Markets-02.mp3
> file size: 48MB
> Description: 08_09_Markets-02.mp3
>
> You can use the following link to retrieve your file:
>
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/evan7f
>
> file 10: 08_10_Pricing Practices.mp3
> file size: 15MB
> Description: 08_10_Pricing Practices.mp3
>
> You can use the following link to retrieve your file:
>
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/ejyl1b
>
> file 11: 08_11_Macro Economic Analysis.mp3
> file size: 41MB
> Description: 08_11_Macro Economic Analysis.mp3
>
> You can use the following link to retrieve your file:
>
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/aklvm6
>
> file 12: 08_12_Government and Private Business.mp3
> file size: 25MB
> Description: 08_12_Government and Private Business.mp3
>
> You can use the following link to retrieve your file:
>
> http://www.sendspace.com/file/famp5t
>
> please note that these files may be available for limited period only.
> So enjoy the download.
> regards,
> mukesh jain.
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [AI] Swami vivekanand's speech.

[surya narayana]

Hello amio sir,
As far as my knowledge is concerned, the first voice recording made in
US in the year of 1960 whereas instrumental recording took place in
1957. In 1908 an american court recognized some thousands of
recordings for their coppy rights. So no need to worry it may be right
one to choose.
Yours,
Surya.

On 10/9/09, Amiyo Biswas  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I once saw the cd. Is it possible that Swamiji Vivekananda's speech was
> recorded when recording was at an early stage? And if so, why was it not
> published so long? As far as I know, the first-ever recording in Kolkata was
> done in 1906. Swamiji died in 1902. If we take for granted, the recording
> was done abroad, he returned from his tour of America and Europe in 1897.
> Perhaps our friends studying or teaching history may enlighten us better.
>
> I shall download it, of course. Thank you for the upload.
>
> Best regards,
> Amiyo Biswas.
> Cell: 91-9433464329
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "surya prakash sharma" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:16 PM
> Subject: [AI] Swami vivekanand's speech.
>
>
>> Hello friends,
>> I have uploaded Swami Vivekanand's famous speach  in his own voice at
>> sendspace from the september issue of Listener's club. Thanks to BPA and
>> Mr. Ranchhod soni for the same.
>> the download link is:
>> http://www.sendspace.com/file/vtxgxh
>>
>> with best regards,
>> S. P. Sharma
>> e-mail: surya.sharm...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: 09461306764
>> Landline: 0141-2341787
>> Skype: sps.jaipur
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Re: [AI] distributing books

[ashish]

no, we can not and must not do this, following laws of our own interior? 
well I think it is the most dangerous thing, because then no one will follow 
any law. and situation will go out of hand. when we talk about not following 
laws that does not limit us to books only. that can endanger your right to 
live also, so this path should not be adopted. I think first of all we 
should start an awareness campaign like "right to read" we should take part 
in such awareness activities, and secondly help each other by providing 
books, but we should also take care that books should stay in Visually 
impaired community. I know this is very difficult and next to impossible but 
I think until nothing happens we have no other choice. and please note 
distributing books freely is not going to create awareness but it will 
create a bad image for us. so need of this time is to create awareness in 
publishers and talk with ministers and government officers. take care, 
regards. ashish
- Original Message - 
From: "prateek aggarwal" 

To: "accessindia" 
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] distributing books


I don’t know where this  thread  is onwarding to us, as the matter
being so sensitive and more then 1000 listers and their 10 views,
seems  that it’s enough for anyone to get boggled.
I’m wondering why we are still in contention on the legality  and
illegality  of books sharing, as we all somewhat concur about the
errors in our existing laws.
dear  intellectuals, can’t we just forget about the laws created by
state and follow the laws of our interior in this matter.
I agree to subramani sir, that if it really wounds the hearts of
authors, let them come with objections.
And, if it doesn’t, we have two options left I.E. either to continue
with the same process or  to redirect ourselves to the old era of
gawky life.
Rajesh sir,, hundred percent agreed that Authors and publishers are
not at all going to feel the need for making the materials accessible
until they feel a pinch in their pockets by mass distributions of
their copyrighted works amongst the disabled.

The problem is, that even though the books are converted and shared on
a good large basis now, yet I  don’t remember any author standing
against it.
Seriously, I want this message to reach to the right ears and let them
resist it. for sure they can resist only if they having better
alternative, which means agreeing to provide accessible coppies to us.

I’ve no problem if the publishers and authors agrees to provide
accessible coppies on their  original prize,  but as the delhi seems
too far from now, let’s continue the same and waite for that golden
day.
In fact, let’s enlarge the sharing, so that we can at least make them
awake first.

As per is giving the responsibility of distributions to major welfare
organization is concern, can you guaranty that the blind  persons who
have  received the books won’t share it with any non print disables?
Ok, let me confess here, I’ve already shared a number of programming
books with my cited counterparts.
Then? who guaranties the  legal distribution?
About the Gandhi, if  I’m correct, he has affirmed “work by your own”
and theory of “ramrajya” which meant to follow your own subterranean
rather any state or government.
Centralizing the powers on one place is just an act of making the
process autocratic which is certainly irrational keeping the fact in
mind that india has a misfortune of having largest number of blind
persons.
Means largest harm of world if we make the process tyrannical.
as a resounding declaration in frunt of more then 1000 listers and to
any one else who may read this mail from the archives by googling or
else, I’ll continue sharing the books with even more fervor  until a
better alternative comes.

Well before I bind up this long mail, opinion expressed in this mail
are clearly belongs to me and even though I don’t regret for any of my
statements, yet you are free to disagree.
wanna look inside me? My blog is the telescope:
http://www.myfriendprateek.blogspot.com

regards,
prateek agarwal.
Skype:
Prateek_agarwal32
website:
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-- Original  message --
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 
To: "accessindia@accessindia.org.in" 
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:59:12 +0530
Subject: [AI] distributing books
So dinesh,
You are essentially saying that:
1. We should do our book related transactions through organizations of
and for blind like NAB which can provide e text and daisy books to
legally disabled persons on request.
2. refrain from publicly ask for books or post their availability
notifications in fora of blind/disabled like AI Bookbole as it would
entail their destruction sooner or later, and may make a book
available to a non-disabled person.


Now, here, what even such organizations are doing is nothing but
violation of copyrights, till the law is amended a

[AI] Problem in accessing login pages through Firefox.

[amarnath de]

hello friends,

since last few days I am facing a problem in logging in to any site through 
firefox. it gives message as:
This site's login information has been captured. Login to LastPass to store 
it! LastPass Master Login Never Ask Again


Please, help me to solve this problem.

with regards.

Amarnath De 





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Re: [AI] Good news for Punjabi language users.

[Saurabh Malav]

Good job Mahesh. At last you have done it.
Keep it up.

Thanks,
Saurabh

On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 8:09 AM, surya narayana wrote:

> Hello mahesh,
> Congrats to your success. I'm really feel proud of you. such guys
> should come forward to develope such things.I hope it can be an
> inspiration for many youngsters who work in this field. please
> continue your efforts.
> Thanks and regards,
> Yours,
> Surya.
>
> On 10/10/09, mahesh.khosla  wrote:
> > Hello friends.
> > As subject line says, Now we have a TTS for the language Punjabi.
> > I live in Punjab and i have to do a lot of work in this language, But
> there
> > was not any TTS available  for this language.
> > to edit a document was a difficult work for me, and i was searching  for
> > something that can help me.
> > For hindi we have now 4 or 5 TTS available , But for Punjabi, there was
> not
> > any.
> > I tried a lot and finely developer  of eSpeak gave me a helping hand.
> > It is possible  now to read Punjabi with the help of ESpeak.I have never
> > tried safa yet but with jaws and NVDA we can do it.
> > Latest ESpeak can be downloaded from this link--
> > http://espeak.sf.net/test/latest.html
> >
> > we will now going to improve it further , After testing it anybody can
> give
> > us suggestions , And with the help of developer  of ESpeak I will try to
> > correct the error.
> > My email ID is
> > mahesh.kho...@gmail.com
> > Skype ID is
> > maheshinder
> > and phone number is--
> > 09781120333
> > With regards.
> > Maheshinder
> >
> >
> >
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