Re: [AI] Word 2003 Problem.

[Amiyo Biswas]

Hello,

Thank you for the prompt response. What does happen when the apostrophe is 
at the end of a word, say in Blind Persons' Association? Does it print 
properly as intended?


With best regards,
Amiyo Biswas.
Cell: 9433464329
- Original Message - 
From: "Swati Sinha" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Word 2003 Problem.



Hello,
In print, the symbol of apostrophy and the symbol of right cotation is
same. So why to worry?
If the symbol comes alone in a word then it is apostrophy, e.g,
Father's and if, the symbol comes in pair to highlight a specific
word, or direct speech then it is right cotation. e.g,'Hurray!' she
explained.

Is your JAWS speaking "right cotation" instead of "Apostrophy"?
What exactly is the problem, please explain?

On 9/28/10, Amiyo Biswas  wrote:

Hello,

Whenever I insert an apostrophe in word 2003, it becomes a right single
quotation mark. I use undo command to fix it. At times I forget to use 
undo

option and the error remains uncorrected. I tried the options in the
autocorrect section, but it did not solve my problem. Please help.
Best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
Cell: 91-9433464329
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Re: [AI] windows live messanger version 14 problem

[Swati Sinha]

Hello,
Which version of JAWS are you using?
JAWS 11 is compatible with Windows live 14.00


On 9/28/10, austin pinto  wrote:
> hi all i just upgraded to version 14 of windows live messanger 1munth
> ago but from 3days its behaveing strangely in text chat when any1 is
> typeing msg it would give a sound but now its not giveing it and when
> i send msg i type and press enter to send jaws used to say
> austin.pinto said so and so but now its not like that does it have to
> do anything with jaws settings
>
> --
> from austin
>
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[AI] Regarding c & c++ compatible with Jaws

[Nishant Singh]

Hi Friends,
I'm using c & c++ with jaws 10.0 & it is working perfectly. The only
thing that we have to do is to minimise the c & c++ window after
opening it, by pressing alt + enter. Then every thing will work fine.
If you have any question you can contact me.
E-mail: nishantsingh...@gmail.com
ph: 09031350206

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Re: [AI] Word 2003 Problem.

[Swati Sinha]

Hello,
In print, the symbol of apostrophy and the symbol of right cotation is
same. So why to worry?
If the symbol comes alone in a word then it is apostrophy, e.g,
Father's and if, the symbol comes in pair to highlight a specific
word, or direct speech then it is right cotation. e.g,'Hurray!' she
explained.

Is your JAWS speaking "right cotation" instead of "Apostrophy"?
What exactly is the problem, please explain?

On 9/28/10, Amiyo Biswas  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Whenever I insert an apostrophe in word 2003, it becomes a right single
> quotation mark. I use undo command to fix it. At times I forget to use undo
> option and the error remains uncorrected. I tried the options in the
> autocorrect section, but it did not solve my problem. Please help.
> Best regards,
> Amiyo Biswas
> Cell: 91-9433464329
> Voice your thoughts in the blog to discuss the Rights of persons with
> disability bill at:
> http://www.accessindia.org.in/harish/blog.htm
>
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> the subject unsubscribe.
>
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that His ways are not our ways, but His ways are always best.

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[AI] windows live messanger version 14 problem

[austin pinto]

hi all i just upgraded to version 14 of windows live messanger 1munth
ago but from 3days its behaveing strangely in text chat when any1 is
typeing msg it would give a sound but now its not giveing it and when
i send msg i type and press enter to send jaws used to say
austin.pinto said so and so but now its not like that does it have to
do anything with jaws settings

-- 
from austin

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Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Of course, of course, she also would  fall foul of coming upto  expectations of 
votaries  of strict self reliance.
And, then why madam aisha, do we give maternity leave to female employees, if 
everybody is equal and must be treated according to fixed standards of 
so-called independent productivity?

Please remember, equality is not uniformity.
differences have to be duly defered to.

And, let me reitterate again, independent mobility is a myth at least for 
blind, let anyone prove me wrong if they can.


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Sathiyaprakash 
Ramdoss
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:01 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

 In addition to Steve Hawkins, are we also taking Helen Keller not in
to consideration?

On 9/27/10, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
> Stefen Hawkins better pass his days confined  in his home, no?
> Why waste time for a cripple and a dumb?
>
> Remember, mahesh is not asking for any special guide.\
> Only his team members have to escort him a bit.
> Stringent laws are the need of the hour.
> no education or counseling does any good.
> Coercion is many a times sole basis for morality.
> That's why whole gamut of godliy heaven and hell  and that's why whole
> gammut of rule of law.
> As my psychology teacher remarked once in exasperation at my repeated query
> about potential of cognitive behavioural approach in changing response to
> disability:
> "Mr. Asudani, chastize them with direct verbal onslaught, and the whole
> attitude would change".
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of namdeo2000
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:43 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>
> According to you, helping somebody is a waste of time? Suppose there is a
> poor man who has a very good ability of doing business. To start with, he
> needs only RS 100 which he doesn't have. Now as far as you or people like
> you, will not concede him that  amount because your logic is, why should you
> waste your hard-earned money on him.
> This gentleman from Pune, only needs somebody to guide him to move around.In
> the conference he can exhibit his technical expertise thereby making the
> name of his company.
>  But he can not do this, as long as there are people like his boss and
> people like you, who think that if he is not independent in moving about,
> his being a expert technician is useless. Mahesh is only blind but, suppose,
> there is some scientist of a very high stature, but he has lost his both
> legs. As per your view, he must never be allowed to attend any seminars or
> conferences because he would need somebody to push his wheelchair around.
> Why should you waste your precious time for him? --- Original Message -
> From: "Srinivasu Chakravarthula" 
> To: ; "Geetha Shamanna"
> 
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>
>
>> Why is not a problem, if someone do not have mobility skills? Yes,
>> saying is easy that someone can holh his hand, why should someone has
>> to invest time to hold him all the time? While we talk about equal
>> opportunities, when there is possibility, why not we should have
>> skills of independence?
>>
>> On 9/26/10, namdeo2000  wrote:
>>> I don't understand what you are talking. If he is not good at his
>>> mobility
>>> so what? Only because somebody will have to hold his hand  and guide him,
>>> he
>>> should be deprived of this opportunity? Being not able to move about
>>> independently and to be an expert technocrat have no connection
>>> whatsoever.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Geetha Shamanna" gee...@millernorbert.
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>>>
>>>
 Hi Mahesh,

 Please do not get me wrong for asking you these questions, but how
 independent are you? Do you travel to work and move around within the
 office
 on your own? Do you use a white cane? Do you travel independently
 outside
 Pune on your own, be it for official or private purposes?

 The impression colleagues at work have of us blind people is to a large
 extent dependent on the way we conduct ourselves. If a blind person
 requires
 assistance to move around within the office or to commute to work,
 colleagues will always assume that blind people are dependent. It is not
 their fault entirely; that blind person in their office might be the
 only
 blind person they have come across in their whole existence.

 Instead of going to the press and publicising this issue, what is
 probably
 required here is for you to have a long and candid talk with your
 superior
 and try and convince him 

Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

[Sathiyaprakash Ramdoss]

 In addition to Steve Hawkins, are we also taking Helen Keller not in
to consideration?

On 9/27/10, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
> Stefen Hawkins better pass his days confined  in his home, no?
> Why waste time for a cripple and a dumb?
>
> Remember, mahesh is not asking for any special guide.\
> Only his team members have to escort him a bit.
> Stringent laws are the need of the hour.
> no education or counseling does any good.
> Coercion is many a times sole basis for morality.
> That's why whole gamut of godliy heaven and hell  and that's why whole
> gammut of rule of law.
> As my psychology teacher remarked once in exasperation at my repeated query
> about potential of cognitive behavioural approach in changing response to
> disability:
> "Mr. Asudani, chastize them with direct verbal onslaught, and the whole
> attitude would change".
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of namdeo2000
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:43 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>
> According to you, helping somebody is a waste of time? Suppose there is a
> poor man who has a very good ability of doing business. To start with, he
> needs only RS 100 which he doesn't have. Now as far as you or people like
> you, will not concede him that  amount because your logic is, why should you
> waste your hard-earned money on him.
> This gentleman from Pune, only needs somebody to guide him to move around.In
> the conference he can exhibit his technical expertise thereby making the
> name of his company.
>  But he can not do this, as long as there are people like his boss and
> people like you, who think that if he is not independent in moving about,
> his being a expert technician is useless. Mahesh is only blind but, suppose,
> there is some scientist of a very high stature, but he has lost his both
> legs. As per your view, he must never be allowed to attend any seminars or
> conferences because he would need somebody to push his wheelchair around.
> Why should you waste your precious time for him? --- Original Message -
> From: "Srinivasu Chakravarthula" 
> To: ; "Geetha Shamanna"
> 
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>
>
>> Why is not a problem, if someone do not have mobility skills? Yes,
>> saying is easy that someone can holh his hand, why should someone has
>> to invest time to hold him all the time? While we talk about equal
>> opportunities, when there is possibility, why not we should have
>> skills of independence?
>>
>> On 9/26/10, namdeo2000  wrote:
>>> I don't understand what you are talking. If he is not good at his
>>> mobility
>>> so what? Only because somebody will have to hold his hand  and guide him,
>>> he
>>> should be deprived of this opportunity? Being not able to move about
>>> independently and to be an expert technocrat have no connection
>>> whatsoever.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Geetha Shamanna" gee...@millernorbert.
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>>>
>>>
 Hi Mahesh,

 Please do not get me wrong for asking you these questions, but how
 independent are you? Do you travel to work and move around within the
 office
 on your own? Do you use a white cane? Do you travel independently
 outside
 Pune on your own, be it for official or private purposes?

 The impression colleagues at work have of us blind people is to a large
 extent dependent on the way we conduct ourselves. If a blind person
 requires
 assistance to move around within the office or to commute to work,
 colleagues will always assume that blind people are dependent. It is not
 their fault entirely; that blind person in their office might be the
 only
 blind person they have come across in their whole existence.

 Instead of going to the press and publicising this issue, what is
 probably
 required here is for you to have a long and candid talk with your
 superior
 and try and convince him that you are capable of looking after yourself
 during the US trip, and that you will not be excessively dependent on
 the
 colleagues traveling with you. You can also ask him to specifically list
 out
 his reservations; you can then  address them individually. If you have
 traveled alone previously, tell him how you did so and how independently
 you
 dealt with the situation. It won't be easy, but each of us will have to
 fight this battle on our own.

 Finally, if he is not sufficiently convinced and does not agree to send
 you
 to the conference, do not give up. Whenever opportunities to travel to
 local
 conferences or other events within Pune or other parts of India arise,
 be
 the first one to apply. He may no

Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Stefen Hawkins better pass his days confined  in his home, no?
Why waste time for a cripple and a dumb?

Remember, mahesh is not asking for any special guide.\
Only his team members have to escort him a bit.
Stringent laws are the need of the hour.
no education or counseling does any good.
Coercion is many a times sole basis for morality.
That's why whole gamut of godliy heaven and hell  and that's why whole gammut 
of rule of law.
As my psychology teacher remarked once in exasperation at my repeated query 
about potential of cognitive behavioural approach in changing response to 
disability:
"Mr. Asudani, chastize them with direct verbal onslaught, and the whole 
attitude would change".


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of namdeo2000
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 10:43 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

According to you, helping somebody is a waste of time? Suppose there is a
poor man who has a very good ability of doing business. To start with, he
needs only RS 100 which he doesn't have. Now as far as you or people like
you, will not concede him that  amount because your logic is, why should you
waste your hard-earned money on him.
This gentleman from Pune, only needs somebody to guide him to move around.In
the conference he can exhibit his technical expertise thereby making the
name of his company.
 But he can not do this, as long as there are people like his boss and
people like you, who think that if he is not independent in moving about,
his being a expert technician is useless. Mahesh is only blind but, suppose,
there is some scientist of a very high stature, but he has lost his both
legs. As per your view, he must never be allowed to attend any seminars or
conferences because he would need somebody to push his wheelchair around.
Why should you waste your precious time for him? --- Original Message -
From: "Srinivasu Chakravarthula" 
To: ; "Geetha Shamanna"

Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior


> Why is not a problem, if someone do not have mobility skills? Yes,
> saying is easy that someone can holh his hand, why should someone has
> to invest time to hold him all the time? While we talk about equal
> opportunities, when there is possibility, why not we should have
> skills of independence?
>
> On 9/26/10, namdeo2000  wrote:
>> I don't understand what you are talking. If he is not good at his
>> mobility
>> so what? Only because somebody will have to hold his hand  and guide him,
>> he
>> should be deprived of this opportunity? Being not able to move about
>> independently and to be an expert technocrat have no connection
>> whatsoever.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Geetha Shamanna" gee...@millernorbert.
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>>
>>
>>> Hi Mahesh,
>>>
>>> Please do not get me wrong for asking you these questions, but how
>>> independent are you? Do you travel to work and move around within the
>>> office
>>> on your own? Do you use a white cane? Do you travel independently
>>> outside
>>> Pune on your own, be it for official or private purposes?
>>>
>>> The impression colleagues at work have of us blind people is to a large
>>> extent dependent on the way we conduct ourselves. If a blind person
>>> requires
>>> assistance to move around within the office or to commute to work,
>>> colleagues will always assume that blind people are dependent. It is not
>>> their fault entirely; that blind person in their office might be the
>>> only
>>> blind person they have come across in their whole existence.
>>>
>>> Instead of going to the press and publicising this issue, what is
>>> probably
>>> required here is for you to have a long and candid talk with your
>>> superior
>>> and try and convince him that you are capable of looking after yourself
>>> during the US trip, and that you will not be excessively dependent on
>>> the
>>> colleagues traveling with you. You can also ask him to specifically list
>>> out
>>> his reservations; you can then  address them individually. If you have
>>> traveled alone previously, tell him how you did so and how independently
>>> you
>>> dealt with the situation. It won't be easy, but each of us will have to
>>> fight this battle on our own.
>>>
>>> Finally, if he is not sufficiently convinced and does not agree to send
>>> you
>>> to the conference, do not give up. Whenever opportunities to travel to
>>> local
>>> conferences or other events within Pune or other parts of India arise,
>>> be
>>> the first one to apply. He may not be averse to sending you to local
>>> events;
>>> so make full use of it and try to be as independent as possible during
>>> these
>>> events. You will then notice how your superior's impression of you
>>> changes.
>>>
>>> Geetha
>>> - Original Message -
>>

Re: [AI] urdu braille

[shazia rizvi]

hello 

there are two ways to learn from me. I can send you the lessons by email or you 
can add me on windows life messenger 

or skype my skype id is pheekashaz 

regards 



 
Shazia Hasan
"When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at 
the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us."
-
Helen Keller

 
Shazia Hasan
"When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at 
the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us."
-
Helen Keller



 

> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 09:25:54 +0530
> From: tahahaa...@gmail.com
> To: s_hasa...@hotmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] urdu braille
> 
> hey hi!i would be interested to learn.can you tell me how should i go about??
> regards.
> 
> On 9/27/10, shazia rizvi  wrote:
> >
> > hello
> >
> > if you are interested in learning urdu braille I can help you.
> >
> > regards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Shazia Hasan
> > "When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long
> > at the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us."
> > -
> > Helen Keller
> >
> >
> > Shazia Hasan
> > "When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long
> > at the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us."
> > -
> > Helen Keller
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 12:33:27 +0530
> >> From: smilerobin...@gmail.com
> >> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> >> Subject: [AI] urdu braille
> >>
> >> hello friends. I am very interested in learning urdu braillecould any
> >> bodytell me how could get an approach to this?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/24/10, accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in
> >>  wrote:
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> >> >
> >> > 1. braille printers (Vgem Vadagam)
> >> > 2. Re: behaviour of my superior (Mahesh Shah)
> >> > 3. Re: behaviour of my superior (Subramani L)
> >> > 4. Re: behaviour of my superior (rahul cherian)
> >> > 5. How instal Talks on nokia N.79 (Prashanth MN)
> >> > 6. Is it legal? (Sanjay)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > Message: 1
> >> > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:40:59 +0530 (IST)
> >> > From: Vgem Vadagam 
> >> > To: basavaraj...@rediffmail.com
> >> > Cc: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> >> > Subject: [AI] braille printers
> >> > Message-ID: <65186.16565...@web137418.mail.in.yahoo.com>
> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >> >
> >> > hello,
> >> > ? i started to use basic -d with duxbury software from 2000. ?we
> >> > were able to give brl. material,
> >> > stories, quiz and question papers.?which is donated by rotary
> >> > club(portcity).. we got tgd software to embosse outline maps and
> >> > pictures.
> >> > it is very good.
> >> > after my retirment? as a principal i could able to collect one?basic -d
> >> > printer with duxbury? through rotaryclub,visakhapatnam. now we prepared
> >> > and
> >> > supplied?history notes for intermediate in telugu.
> >> > if anybody wants brl. material we can supply. u can contact president,
> >> > sahridayavi...@gmail.com
> >> > or vgemvada...@yahoo.co.in? mobile.09440778183. we are planning to
> >> > release a
> >> > monthly magzine in our regional language.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > Message: 2
> >> > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:22:45 +0530
> >> > From: Mahesh Shah 
> >> > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> >> > Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
> >> > Message-ID:
> >> > 
> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >> >
> >> > On 9/24/10, rahul cherian  wrote:
> >> >> Dear Mahesh,
> >> >>
> >> >> This is a terrible situation. I think the press would definitely be
> >> >> interested to cover this. This kind of act must be exposed, in my
> >> >> opinion.
> >> >> Moreover, since C-DAC is a governmental organisation, you would
> >> >> possible
> >> >> even have a constitutional remedy.
> >> >>
> >> >> Do let me know if you need help in reaching out to the press. Subramani
> >> >> also
> >> >> should be able to cover this. Subramani what do you think? Is there a
> >> >> story
> >> >> here?
> >> >>
> >> >> Just a word of caution. going to the press has adverse effects as well
> >> >> as
> >> >> you may already know.
> >> >>
> >> >> Best regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Rahul Ch

Re: [AI] urdu braille

[Taha Haaziq]

hey hi!i would be interested to learn.can you tell me how should i go about??
regards.

On 9/27/10, shazia rizvi  wrote:
>
> hello
>
>  if you are interested in learning urdu braille I can help you.
>
> regards
>
>
>
>
> Shazia Hasan
> "When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long
> at the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us."
> -
> Helen Keller
>
>
> Shazia Hasan
> "When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long
> at the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us."
> -
> Helen Keller
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 12:33:27 +0530
>> From: smilerobin...@gmail.com
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: [AI] urdu braille
>>
>> hello friends. I am very interested in learning urdu braillecould any
>> bodytell me how could get an approach to this?
>>
>>
>> On 9/24/10, accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in
>>  wrote:
>> > Send AccessIndia mailing list submissions to
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>> > Today's Topics:
>> >
>> > 1. braille printers (Vgem Vadagam)
>> > 2. Re: behaviour of my superior (Mahesh Shah)
>> > 3. Re: behaviour of my superior (Subramani L)
>> > 4. Re: behaviour of my superior (rahul cherian)
>> > 5. How instal Talks on nokia N.79 (Prashanth MN)
>> > 6. Is it legal? (Sanjay)
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:40:59 +0530 (IST)
>> > From: Vgem Vadagam 
>> > To: basavaraj...@rediffmail.com
>> > Cc: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> > Subject: [AI] braille printers
>> > Message-ID: <65186.16565...@web137418.mail.in.yahoo.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>> >
>> > hello,
>> > ? i started to use basic -d with duxbury software from 2000. ?we
>> > were able to give brl. material,
>> > stories, quiz and question papers.?which is donated by rotary
>> > club(portcity).. we got tgd software to embosse outline maps and
>> > pictures.
>> > it is very good.
>> > after my retirment? as a principal i could able to collect one?basic -d
>> > printer with duxbury? through rotaryclub,visakhapatnam. now we prepared
>> > and
>> > supplied?history notes for intermediate in telugu.
>> > if anybody wants brl. material we can supply. u can contact president,
>> > sahridayavi...@gmail.com
>> > or vgemvada...@yahoo.co.in? mobile.09440778183. we are planning to
>> > release a
>> > monthly magzine in our regional language.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:22:45 +0530
>> > From: Mahesh Shah 
>> > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> > Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>> > Message-ID:
>> > 
>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>> >
>> > On 9/24/10, rahul cherian  wrote:
>> >> Dear Mahesh,
>> >>
>> >> This is a terrible situation. I think the press would definitely be
>> >> interested to cover this. This kind of act must be exposed, in my
>> >> opinion.
>> >> Moreover, since C-DAC is a governmental organisation, you would
>> >> possible
>> >> even have a constitutional remedy.
>> >>
>> >> Do let me know if you need help in reaching out to the press. Subramani
>> >> also
>> >> should be able to cover this. Subramani what do you think? Is there a
>> >> story
>> >> here?
>> >>
>> >> Just a word of caution. going to the press has adverse effects as well
>> >> as
>> >> you may already know.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >> Rahul Cherian
>> >> Inclusive Planet
>> >>
>> >> On 24 September 2010 12:28, akhilesh  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Dear MR. Mahesh,
>> >>> I?m very sad and angry that such discriminatory incidence has happened
>> >>> with you.
>> >>> When these type of situations occur and your superior or or for
>> >>> example, any other person behaves like this, the most effective
>> >>> solution is to record such type of conversations probably that
>> >>> particular recording will give you nothing for this time, but it
>> >>> surely do two important things:
>> >>> 1. for the next time, you?ll not be discriminated like this;
>> >>> 2. These type of persons will surely thing at least many times
>> >>> before
>> >>> committing such acts.
>> >>>
>> >>> I?ve done recordings of these sorts of conversations and they have
>> >>> been very very effective. Respected Vashishth sir knows about it, and
>> >>> he himself has done recordings in some occasions.
>> >>> With regards,
>> >>> Akhilesh.
>> >>

[AI] Any positive experience from alternative treatments for RP?

[Vamshi G]

HI friends,

 

I know this topic has been discussed many times on this list.  And I
personally don't believe any of those treatments like Ayurvedic,
acupuncture, homeopathy etc.  But one of my friends wants to know whether
any of these treatments has left any positive experience for anyone,
especially in the initial stages of RP.  So, if anyone has any such
experience, please contact me off the list at

gvamsh...@gmail.com

 

Friends, please don't clutter this list with general opinions.   I have
given her all the necessary scientific information, and I am only looking
for someone as above mentioned so that I can get her to contact them.

 

Regards,

Vamshi G

M: +91 9949349497

R: +91 877 2243861

Skype: gvamshi81

 

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>From darkness unto light

 

 

 

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[AI] Word 2003 Problem.

[Amiyo Biswas]

Hello,

Whenever I insert an apostrophe in word 2003, it becomes a right single 
quotation mark. I use undo command to fix it. At times I forget to use undo 
option and the error remains uncorrected. I tried the options in the 
autocorrect section, but it did not solve my problem. Please help.
Best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
Cell: 91-9433464329
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Re: [AI] Skype talking

[dinesh shukla]

how it can be used?
- Original Message - 
From: "Rohiet A. Patil" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Skype talking



From where it can be downloaded?
- Original Message - 
From: "Sakina Dhariwala" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Skype talking



Hi it is different and it works with skype api.
With warm regards Sakina.
- Original Message - 
From: "Surinder" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Skype talking



What is skype talking?
Do you mean SKREAD or skype watch?
Or it is something different?
- Original Message - 
From: "Adina Galani" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Skype talking


No no,  I am not talking about the skype itself, but of skype talking, 
which is an external application used with it.

Thanks,
Adina
- Original Message - 
From: "Subramani L" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Skype talking



You would come across a check box aksing if you need to be signed in
and if Skype needs to be started automatically.

Subramani



On 9/23/10, Adina Galani  wrote:

Hi there,
Anyone has idea how to make skype talking start automatically when 
skype

loads?
Thanks a lot,
Adina
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Re: [AI] an info and congrats to civil surgeon jalaja kumari

[Srikanth Bolla]

That is perfect!! Could anyone please provide doctor's email ID? Regards,

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of namdeo2000
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:07 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] an info and congrats to civil surgeon jalaja kumari

Hey gentleman, how can you expect her to contact you? Her tight schedule may

not allow this; so the best way is to get her id and get in touch with her.
- Original Message - 
From: "Srikanth Bolla" 
To: ; 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] an info and congrats to civil surgeon jalaja kumari


Hi all,
   this is Srikanth. Even I like to read about her. My hearty
congratulations to DR jalaja kumari. I appreciate her courage and
confidence. I want to know whether she lost her vision before she became a
doctor or after? And I would like to know her vision percentage. I don't
mean to ask her personal details  Or to embarrass her on the list but I am
also interested in going to pre med here in US. So I would like to know the
challenges and strengths in becoming a doctor. So I would be grateful if she
can kindly discuss her journey of becoming a doctor. I oblige if She can
contact me on my personal email at bo...@mit.edu
 Regards,

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of namdeo2000
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:50 PM
To: kalyan_r...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] an info and congrats to civil surgeon jalaja kumari

This really is a great news for everyone on the list. To reach to the post
of Civil Surgeon is a great achievement. We would be happy if you could make

available a short résumé of hers.

Also mention the status of her blindness total or partial.Congratulations
from the entire Sayeverything Group.
- Original Message - 
From: "raghuraman kalyanaraman" 
To: "accessindia" 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:49 PM
Subject: [AI] an info and congrats to civil surgeon jalaja kumari


> friends i am happy to inform you all that our friend dr jalaja kumari
> has been promoted to civil surgeon today
> i wish her all success in her career and pray the almighty to shower
> his grace and love on her and her familly
>
> -- 
> cheers raghu
>
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[AI] Nokia E63 users.

[Balaram]

Dear list,
Can some of you who are using nokia E63 write to me off list?
Personal ID is given below.
chess.bala...@gmail.com

Thanks in advance,

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Re: [AI] FIX A FRIEND'S PC REMOTELY

[sunil]

indeed a very good info. after reading this artical, am very qurious,
to know more about it, like  can we handel  this task with jaws? is it
fully accessible, or the jaws tandom would be a better options.
if jaws tandom is more convenient,  then,  would like to know  the
steps -by-steps instructions.
On 9/27/10, Sanjay  wrote:
> Ever felt the frustration of trying to help someone fix their computer by
>
> talking to them over the phone? simon edwards shows how to take matters into
>
> your own hands
>
> We've all been there, frustrated and cross, trying to help someone fix their
> PC
>
> by talking them through a series of instructions over the phone. Trying to
>
> visualise how their software or version of Windows works can be tricky to
> all
>
> but the most well-practiced technical support engineer. However, if you got
>
> your hands on their computer, the chances are you'd be able to sort out the
>
> problem in seconds. In this walkthrough, we show you how to control someone
>
> else's PC over the internet, using the software that's built into every
> modern
>
> version of Windows.
>
> If the PC you want to control is on your local network then you can just
> follow
>
> last month's How To... Control multiple PCs. However, if a friend or
> relative
>
> calls you out of the blue you're going to need a way to log on over the
> internet
>
> on the hoof, without them having to reconfigure their firewall to allow you
>
> access.
>
> If you have physical access to a computer that belongs to someone you know
> will
>
> probably need help at some point in the future, you can make life easier for
>
> yourself (and them) by installing Windows Live Messenger (
>
> http://download.live.com/messenger). You could also set them up with a
> Windows
>
> Live ID account, which is free. This combination will enable you to chat
> with
>
> them online. As we explain below, it has another very significant benefit.
>
> Remote Assistance is a Windows feature that lets you ask someone for help
> and,
>
> within certain limits, permits them to log in and fix your computer. The
>
> easiest way to initiate this is to chat using Windows Live Messenger. We'll
>
> show you how to work this way first of all, and then we'll explain an
>
> alternative approach for those who don't have this software installed, or
> can't
>
> use it.
>
> 1
>
> If your friend's problem is related to wireless networking ask them to
> connect
>
> their PC directly to their ADSL router using a network cable. Unless their
>
> internet connection is down - in which case, you're never going to be able
> to
>
> log in without doing some advanced work with old fashioned modems - this
> will
>
> probably be enough to get them online. Then ask them to load Windows Live
>
> Messenger and start chatting.
>
> 2
>
> Once you've established contact online, ask them to click on the Activities
> menu
>
> and choose the Request Remote Assistance option. You'll receive a request in
>
> the chat window. Click the Accept link or press Alt-C.
>
> 3
>
> At this stage, two things will happen simultaneously. On your friend's
> screen a
>
> message will appear, asking if they would like to allow you to connect -
> this
>
> comes with the warning that you'll be able to see everything on their
> Desktop.
>
> At the same time, a large black Remote Assistance window will appear on your
>
> screen. As soon as your friend clicks the Yes button, the black screen will
> be
>
> replaced with an exact (although probably scaled-down) representation of
> their
>
> Desktop. You'll be able to see them run programs, move windows and perform
>
> other tasks.
>
> 4
>
> If you need to take full control remotely, click the Take Control button at
> the
>
> top left of the Remote Assistance window. Your friend will be asked, "Would
> you
>
> like to allow youremailaddr...@yourisp.com to share control of your
> Desktop?"
>
> Once they click the Yes button, you can both use the computer at the same
> time.
>
> Ask them to leave the mouse and keyboard alone as you try to solve their
>
> problem. When you've finished, click the Disconnect button on the top menu.
>
> 5
>
> If your friend doesn't have access to Windows Live Messenger, and their
> email
>
> works, ask them to run Windows Remote Assistance manually. Windows XP has a
>
> shortcut on its Accessories menu, while Windows 7 keeps it in the
> Maintenance
>
> folder. Both are available from the Start menu. When they've clicked on it,
>
> ask them to choose the option called 'Invite someone you trust to help you'.
> On
>
> the next screen, they should click the 'Save this invitation as a file'
> option.
>
> They will be prompted to save a file, which you can suggest they do directly
> on
>
> their Desktop. They will now see a small window containing a password, which
>
> they should tell you over the phone.
>
> 6
>
> Ask your friend to send you an email with the file they saved in Step 5
>
> attached. When you download and run this file, enter the pa

Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

[namdeo2000]

We are not here to express our sympathy nor does he need it either. We are 
here to encourage him, and boost his confidence by suggesting him various 
options. It is surprising to note that, after having read so many mails on 
this issue, you still are of the view that you would have acted in the same 
manner as his boss did.It is easy for a human being to be an officer but, 
you should try to be an officer who also is a good humanbeing.
- Original Message - 
From: "aisha sahani" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior



I can sympathise with this gentalman, but I guess, his  boss was not
wrong either.

if you say that you are equally competent to go there, why is this all 
fuss?


You have learned  to work  on computer with assistive technology
because it was not possible for you to do it in general way.

Do you think someone would have given you the job if you have asked
them to provide a human operator to read your screen instead of you
using the assistive technology?

Similarly, you should have acquired the independent mobility skills in
order to go there.
Even i would have not sent you if I were the boss.

I know, it was tuff luck, but  you can always count me in amongst your
well wishers.

Aisha sahani.




On 9/27/10, Vamshi G  wrote:
Yes, I agree with Vasu and Geetha.  Being dependent is not a sin or 
crime,
but being independent is definitely an essential requirement when one 
goes

to a  new environment.


Regards,
Vamshi G
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R: +91 877 2243861
Skype: gvamshi81

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From darkness unto light


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu
Chakravarthula
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:36 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Geetha Shamanna
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

Why is not a problem, if someone do not have mobility skills? Yes,
saying is easy that someone can holh his hand, why should someone has
to invest time to hold him all the time? While we talk about equal
opportunities, when there is possibility, why not we should have
skills of independence?

On 9/26/10, namdeo2000  wrote:
I don't understand what you are talking. If he is not good at his 
mobility
so what? Only because somebody will have to hold his hand  and guide 
him,

he

should be deprived of this opportunity? Being not able to move about
independently and to be an expert technocrat have no connection

whatsoever.

- Original Message -
From: "Geetha Shamanna" gee...@millernorbert.
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior



Hi Mahesh,

Please do not get me wrong for asking you these questions, but how
independent are you? Do you travel to work and move around within the
office
on your own? Do you use a white cane? Do you travel independently 
outside

Pune on your own, be it for official or private purposes?

The impression colleagues at work have of us blind people is to a large
extent dependent on the way we conduct ourselves. If a blind person
requires
assistance to move around within the office or to commute to work,
colleagues will always assume that blind people are dependent. It is 
not
their fault entirely; that blind person in their office might be the 
only

blind person they have come across in their whole existence.

Instead of going to the press and publicising this issue, what is

probably

required here is for you to have a long and candid talk with your

superior

and try and convince him that you are capable of looking after yourself
during the US trip, and that you will not be excessively dependent on 
the
colleagues traveling with you. You can also ask him to specifically 
list

out
his reservations; you can then  address them individually. If you have
traveled alone previously, tell him how you did so and how 
independently

you
dealt with the situation. It won't be easy, but each of us will have to
fight this battle on our own.

Finally, if he is not sufficiently convinced and does not agree to send
you
to the conference, do not give up. Whenever opportunities to travel to
local
conferences or other events within Pune or other parts of India arise, 
be

the first one to apply. He may not be averse to sending you to local
events;
so make full use of it and try to be as independent as possible during
these
events. You will then notice how your superior's impression of you
changes.

Geetha
- Original Message -
From: "Mahesh Shah" 
To: "accessindia" 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 5:45 AM
Subject: [AI] behaviour of my superior


Dear Friends--

I am writing to this list after a long time. I wish to tell you an
incident happened in my office , which shocked me.

Every year, a delegation goes from my office, C-DAC, to participate in
SuperComputing conference in USA. This year I put my self-nomination
for this. I am the most qualified and most s

Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

[namdeo2000]

Very well said Rajesh.It is very easy to make comments or pass remarks 
without going through that particular situation.
- Original Message - 
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior


I believe aisha, Vamshi  and others who are championing independent 
mobility in all circumstances particularly in the new surroundings, are 
partially sighted and not totally blind.


While it is good to have mobility skills, I am afraid they would not 
enable a totally blind person to navigate all alone in all surroundings 
without undue risk.


I challenge mobile partially sighted to blindfold themselves and come to 
Nagpur for BGFI convention in nagpur on october 2nd, and 3rd, reach the 
venue and we shall have a fruitful discussion on all issues.


Rajesh

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of aisha sahani

Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 8:27 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

I can sympathise with this gentalman, but I guess, his  boss was not
wrong either.

if you say that you are equally competent to go there, why is this all 
fuss?


You have learned  to work  on computer with assistive technology
because it was not possible for you to do it in general way.

Do you think someone would have given you the job if you have asked
them to provide a human operator to read your screen instead of you
using the assistive technology?

Similarly, you should have acquired the independent mobility skills in
order to go there.
Even i would have not sent you if I were the boss.

I know, it was tuff luck, but  you can always count me in amongst your
well wishers.

Aisha sahani.




On 9/27/10, Vamshi G  wrote:
Yes, I agree with Vasu and Geetha.  Being dependent is not a sin or 
crime,
but being independent is definitely an essential requirement when one 
goes

to a  new environment.


Regards,
Vamshi G
M: +91 9949349497
R: +91 877 2243861
Skype: gvamshi81

www.retinaindia.org
From darkness unto light


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu
Chakravarthula
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:36 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Geetha Shamanna
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

Why is not a problem, if someone do not have mobility skills? Yes,
saying is easy that someone can holh his hand, why should someone has
to invest time to hold him all the time? While we talk about equal
opportunities, when there is possibility, why not we should have
skills of independence?

On 9/26/10, namdeo2000  wrote:
I don't understand what you are talking. If he is not good at his 
mobility
so what? Only because somebody will have to hold his hand  and guide 
him,

he

should be deprived of this opportunity? Being not able to move about
independently and to be an expert technocrat have no connection

whatsoever.

- Original Message -
From: "Geetha Shamanna" gee...@millernorbert.
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior



Hi Mahesh,

Please do not get me wrong for asking you these questions, but how
independent are you? Do you travel to work and move around within the
office
on your own? Do you use a white cane? Do you travel independently 
outside

Pune on your own, be it for official or private purposes?

The impression colleagues at work have of us blind people is to a large
extent dependent on the way we conduct ourselves. If a blind person
requires
assistance to move around within the office or to commute to work,
colleagues will always assume that blind people are dependent. It is 
not
their fault entirely; that blind person in their office might be the 
only

blind person they have come across in their whole existence.

Instead of going to the press and publicising this issue, what is

probably

required here is for you to have a long and candid talk with your

superior

and try and convince him that you are capable of looking after yourself
during the US trip, and that you will not be excessively dependent on 
the
colleagues traveling with you. You can also ask him to specifically 
list

out
his reservations; you can then  address them individually. If you have
traveled alone previously, tell him how you did so and how 
independently

you
dealt with the situation. It won't be easy, but each of us will have to
fight this battle on our own.

Finally, if he is not sufficiently convinced and does not agree to send
you
to the conference, do not give up. Whenever opportunities to travel to
local
conferences or other events within Pune or other parts of India arise, 
be

the first one to apply. He may not be averse to sending you to local
events;
so make full use of it and try to be as independent as possible during
these
events. You will then notice how

Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

[namdeo2000]

I can't understand, why are you expecting everything from everybody. You can 
be a very good orator which I may not be; but I can be an icon in music of 
which you may know nothing.
So knowledge of both in their respective fields can not be ignored or 
undermined.  - Original Message - 
From: "Vamshi. G" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior



hi rajesh sir,

mobile partially sighted people, when blindfolded, may not meet your
challemge.  but i'm sure there are many totally blind people on this
very list who have the confidence and skills to do that.  i am talking
about those general independent skills.  and i agree with you on the
point that a white cane or guide dog can't make a blind person move
without any risk or inconvenience in a new environment.

Let me say that whatever i've said is in general and not in particular
to mr. Mahesh.

On 9/27/10, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:

I believe aisha, Vamshi  and others who are championing independent
mobility in all circumstances particularly in the new surroundings, are
partially sighted and not totally blind.

While it is good to have mobility skills, I am afraid they would not 
enable

a totally blind person to navigate all alone in all surroundings without
undue risk.

I challenge mobile partially sighted to blindfold themselves and come to
Nagpur for BGFI convention in nagpur on october 2nd, and 3rd, reach the
venue and we shall have a fruitful discussion on all issues.

Rajesh

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of aisha sahani
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 8:27 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

I can sympathise with this gentalman, but I guess, his  boss was not
wrong either.

if you say that you are equally competent to go there, why is this all 
fuss?


You have learned  to work  on computer with assistive technology
because it was not possible for you to do it in general way.

Do you think someone would have given you the job if you have asked
them to provide a human operator to read your screen instead of you
using the assistive technology?

Similarly, you should have acquired the independent mobility skills in
order to go there.
Even i would have not sent you if I were the boss.

I know, it was tuff luck, but  you can always count me in amongst your
well wishers.

Aisha sahani.




On 9/27/10, Vamshi G  wrote:
Yes, I agree with Vasu and Geetha.  Being dependent is not a sin or 
crime,
but being independent is definitely an essential requirement when one 
goes

to a  new environment.


Regards,
Vamshi G
M: +91 9949349497
R: +91 877 2243861
Skype: gvamshi81

www.retinaindia.org
From darkness unto light


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu
Chakravarthula
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:36 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Geetha Shamanna
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

Why is not a problem, if someone do not have mobility skills? Yes,
saying is easy that someone can holh his hand, why should someone has
to invest time to hold him all the time? While we talk about equal
opportunities, when there is possibility, why not we should have
skills of independence?

On 9/26/10, namdeo2000  wrote:

I don't understand what you are talking. If he is not good at his
mobility
so what? Only because somebody will have to hold his hand  and guide 
him,

he

should be deprived of this opportunity? Being not able to move about
independently and to be an expert technocrat have no connection

whatsoever.

- Original Message -
From: "Geetha Shamanna" gee...@millernorbert.
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior



Hi Mahesh,

Please do not get me wrong for asking you these questions, but how
independent are you? Do you travel to work and move around within the
office
on your own? Do you use a white cane? Do you travel independently
outside
Pune on your own, be it for official or private purposes?

The impression colleagues at work have of us blind people is to a 
large

extent dependent on the way we conduct ourselves. If a blind person
requires
assistance to move around within the office or to commute to work,
colleagues will always assume that blind people are dependent. It is 
not

their fault entirely; that blind person in their office might be the
only
blind person they have come across in their whole existence.

Instead of going to the press and publicising this issue, what is

probably

required here is for you to have a long and candid talk with your

superior
and try and convince him that you are capable of looking after 
yourself

during the US trip, and that you will not be excessively dependent on
the
colleagues traveling with you. You can also ask him to specifically 
list

Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

[namdeo2000]

According to you, helping somebody is a waste of time? Suppose there is a 
poor man who has a very good ability of doing business. To start with, he 
needs only RS 100 which he doesn't have. Now as far as you or people like 
you, will not concede him that  amount because your logic is, why should you 
waste your hard-earned money on him.
This gentleman from Pune, only needs somebody to guide him to move around.In 
the conference he can exhibit his technical expertise thereby making the 
name of his company.
But he can not do this, as long as there are people like his boss and 
people like you, who think that if he is not independent in moving about, 
his being a expert technician is useless. Mahesh is only blind but, suppose, 
there is some scientist of a very high stature, but he has lost his both 
legs. As per your view, he must never be allowed to attend any seminars or 
conferences because he would need somebody to push his wheelchair around. 
Why should you waste your precious time for him? --- Original Message - 
From: "Srinivasu Chakravarthula" 
To: ; "Geetha Shamanna" 


Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior



Why is not a problem, if someone do not have mobility skills? Yes,
saying is easy that someone can holh his hand, why should someone has
to invest time to hold him all the time? While we talk about equal
opportunities, when there is possibility, why not we should have
skills of independence?

On 9/26/10, namdeo2000  wrote:
I don't understand what you are talking. If he is not good at his 
mobility
so what? Only because somebody will have to hold his hand  and guide him, 
he

should be deprived of this opportunity? Being not able to move about
independently and to be an expert technocrat have no connection 
whatsoever.

- Original Message -
From: "Geetha Shamanna" gee...@millernorbert.
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior



Hi Mahesh,

Please do not get me wrong for asking you these questions, but how
independent are you? Do you travel to work and move around within the
office
on your own? Do you use a white cane? Do you travel independently 
outside

Pune on your own, be it for official or private purposes?

The impression colleagues at work have of us blind people is to a large
extent dependent on the way we conduct ourselves. If a blind person
requires
assistance to move around within the office or to commute to work,
colleagues will always assume that blind people are dependent. It is not
their fault entirely; that blind person in their office might be the 
only

blind person they have come across in their whole existence.

Instead of going to the press and publicising this issue, what is 
probably
required here is for you to have a long and candid talk with your 
superior

and try and convince him that you are capable of looking after yourself
during the US trip, and that you will not be excessively dependent on 
the

colleagues traveling with you. You can also ask him to specifically list
out
his reservations; you can then  address them individually. If you have
traveled alone previously, tell him how you did so and how independently
you
dealt with the situation. It won't be easy, but each of us will have to
fight this battle on our own.

Finally, if he is not sufficiently convinced and does not agree to send
you
to the conference, do not give up. Whenever opportunities to travel to
local
conferences or other events within Pune or other parts of India arise, 
be

the first one to apply. He may not be averse to sending you to local
events;
so make full use of it and try to be as independent as possible during
these
events. You will then notice how your superior's impression of you
changes.

Geetha
- Original Message -
From: "Mahesh Shah" 
To: "accessindia" 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 5:45 AM
Subject: [AI] behaviour of my superior


Dear Friends--

I am writing to this list after a long time. I wish to tell you an
incident happened in my office , which shocked me.

Every year, a delegation goes from my office, C-DAC, to participate in
SuperComputing conference in USA. This year I put my self-nomination
for this. I am the most qualified and most senior person for the job.

But my boss called me for a one-to-one discussion and informed me that
it will be 'embarrasing' to send a person (VI) like me in . the
delegation. Because I will require someone's support and will hold
someone's hand. Also if some accident happens to me because of my
disability, he and office will be hold responsible for why they sent
such a person.

I was really shocked and upset with the behaviour. Then I withdrew my
nomination for participation in the conference.

Friends, I want to show you that how these learned so-called superiors
fail to understand the VI peoples aspirations and behave in such a
nonsense way.

Thanks for sharing my concerns.



Mahesh Shah
Pune

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[AI] Beware of this

[namdeo]

About Bom Sabado - Orkut Virus ..!!




Google's social networking website Orkut has been attacked by virus called Bom 
Sabado on Saturday morning, which is a big treat for orkut .Bom sabado is a 
Portuguese world it meansGood Saturday in English. 




Bom Sabado is an orkut virus affecting profiles of many. Those who are affected 
by this virus are advised to change password and security question. Log out 
immediately and also clear the cookies and history.


Users are also advised not to open Orkut account until the problem solved. 
Orkut had just last month announced new updates to the website. It's a second 
time Orkut got affected by this kind of viruses. The same virus has hit Orkut 
last Feb also.
A few hours back, the Bom Sabado virus seems to have started and now it is all 
over orkut scraps that spreading from friend to friends. It is an auto 
generated message which is filing your scrapebooks. The scraps come from the 
friend list and it comes just like any other normal orkut scraps. Users are 
also advised not to open such scraps. The bug is hitting your cookies and 
automatically sending messages to your friend list.
If anyone reads this scrap even in their profile, their cookies are also stoled 
and so they are also posting scrap automatically to their friend list same 
scrap as bomb something like.
Orkut officials have not clear yet that the Bom Sabado is a virus or not. In 
week, this is a second XSS attack on a social networking website. The popular 
microblogging website Twitter was also attacked by a computer worm created by 
Norwegian. Twitter was received an XSS exploit, the attack, which emerged and 
was shut down within hours Tuesday morning and involved a XSS flaw that allowed 
users to run JavaScript programs on other computers.
" So do not login to your orkut account, 
" If you want to change password, use this link www.google.com/accounts/ 
Solutions:-
" Do not visit any profile on Orkut till this script is blocked 
" Clear your cookies and cache right away and change your password and security 
question. 
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[AI] Call Center Associate Vacancy in Mumbai

[Prashant Naik]

Dear Friends,
Forwarding the following opening. -  Prashant Naik
Call Center Associate (Day Shift)
Summary
Location: Kurla, Mumbai
No. of post - 1
Education: Graduates/Undergraduates (Min. 12th / HSC or any other
equivalent qualification)
Industry Type: NGO
Desired Candidate Profile
Good Communication Skills (Hindi)
Graduates/Undergraduates (Min. 12th / HSC or any other equivalent qualification)
Should be good at working on MS Office particularly MS-Word & MS-Excel.
Job Description
We are looking for a person who can work for a Call Centre operation
in Pratham, for our Education for Education (EFE) program which aims
at providing Basis Digital Literacy to the rural youth across 200
districts in more than 15 states.
Candidates should be good at working on MS Office particularly Excel.
Should have basic written communication skills in English. English
oratory skills, not mandatory.
The profile involves making phone calls, taking updates and recording
various details on MS Excel & MS Word formats.
Basic analytical skills would also be required.
Salary: Rs. 6000/- per month
Apply with resume to gaurav.ar...@pratham.org

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Re: [AI] independence and mobility

[Jean Parker]

Geetha and All:

The variations on this are endless.  I often think of Europe as being 
somewhere in between India and America on the assistance issue.  There are 
many European countries who provide a continuum of assistance to blind and 
disabled people, and many that do not.  It would be interesting to know if 
there are studies about employer or public perception of disability in 
countries where this is sometimes provided versus those countries where 
nothing is provided.


For many blind people in America they don't want or require assistance on a 
daily basis.  The problem comes when they want to attend a large event or 
travel some place posing some kind of practical mobility difficulty, or 
requiring reading assistance or some other support.  The problem is there is 
no option for them to have an assistant.  They don't get to choose.  And for 
some this very fact has resulted in them having fewer opportunities because 
whatever the assistance was that they needed was simply not available.


I see this as very different from a person who relies on other people to do 
everything for them even when they can do it themselves.  Or, the person who 
has always had so many servants and assistants throughout life they have 
never had to learn how to do anything for themselves.


Jean

- Original Message - 
From: "Geetha Shamanna" 

To: "Jean Parker" ; 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] independence and mobility



Hi Jean, Rajesh and all:

I totally agree with Jean that independence does not mean not asking for 
and

accepting assistance whenever required, particularly in new and unfamiliar
environments. Here in London where the public transport system is 
excellent,

I still have to resort to asking for assistance to figure out where a
building or a bus stop is located when traveling to an unfamiliar place.

However, there is a difference between permanently depending on an 
assistant

for travel as against asking for assistance when traveling independently.
Here in England where the government provides support workers who can also
be used as guides, I am constantly asked by prospective employers as to
whether I can travel independently if hired. If I were to tell them that I
would use a guide instead, I am quite certain their attitude toward hiring
me would change perceptibly, although legally speaking, it is not supposed
to. I think the attitude of sighted people toward blind persons using
assistants is the same the world over; the moment they see an assistant,
they assume, whether rightly or wrongly, that the assistant does all the
work and is in control, even if that is not the case.

It is true that when a blind person chooses to travel with an assistant or
otherwise, he has his own reasons and does so for his own convenience and
not to please or displease sighted people. However, how do you explain 
that
to a hiring manager or to a superior who rejected Mahesh's application? 
How

do we spread awareness if people are convinced only by what they see and
assume all blind people are similar to the one they briefly encountered on
the street or in their office? While Mahesh's case can be highlighted, his
is certainly not an one-off incident. There must be millions of superiors
around the country who discriminate against a blind person, because they 
are
convinced that a blind person is not capable of doing things 
independently.

How do we educate such people without resorting to passing laws?

Geetha
- Original Message - 
From: "Jean Parker" 

To: "Vamshi G" ; 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] independence and mobility


Well I'm laughing outloud at your comparison!

The best would be if we are independent and effective at the same time.

Jean

- Original Message - 
From: "Vamshi G" 

To: "'Jean Parker'" ;

Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 6:01 PM
Subject: RE: [AI] independence and mobility



Hi Jean Parker,

Very rightly said.  I fully support your opinion.

In the 2008 Access India convention, Mr. Vinod Asudani said, if a blind
person wants to go out, one escort is enough.  But if the prime minister
of
India wants to go out, atleast 50 escorts should be there.  That means PM
of
India is more dependent than a blind person.  He added that being
effective
is more important than being independent.

Ffull marks to your opinion.

Regards,
Vamshi G
M: +91 9949349497
R: +91 877 2243861
Skype: gvamshi81

www.retinaindia.org
From darkness unto light


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:25 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] independence and mobility

All:

Being independent in one's mobility does not mean never utilizing the
assistance of others.  Actually, it means quite the opposite.  To be
independently mobile, one uses one's mobility skills which might include,
cane, listen

[AI] reminding about radio retina india

[mahesh.khosla]

Hi all,We wanted to remind, that the radio retina india show will be
broadcasted today at 9:30.

Some of the highlights of the show are:

Conversation with doctor rajat about introduction of retina india,
interview with mr. Harish kotian about his amazing achievements,
interview with well known lawyer sc vashishth about the rights of
disables, etc.

Don’t forget to catch the show today (Monday the 27th) at 9:30 PM,
Indian standard time. 



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[AI] can we change our laptop port from 1.0 to 2.0 ?

[bhavesh]

Hi friends! i want to know if i can change my laptop USB port from 1.0 to 2.0, 
cause whenever i copy anything from my pendrive to laptop, it takes a lot of 
time.

if we can't change the port, then is there any spead copying software 
compatabel  with jaws?

please let me know as soon as possible cause as i said it takes alot of time to 
copy big files or folders.

thank you,

bhavesh.
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[AI] reminding about radio retina india

[prateek aggarwal]

Hi all,We wanted to remind, that the radio retina india show will be
broadcasted today at 9:30.

Some of the highlights of the show are:

Conversation with doctor rajat about introduction of retina india,
interview with mr. Harish kotian about his amazing achievements,
interview with well known lawyer sc vashishth about the rights of
disables, etc.

Don’t forget to catch the show today (Monday the 27th) at 9:30 PM,
Indian standard time.

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[AI] Who inherits my Web wealth?

[avinash shahi]

Bijoy Ghosh

Who inherits my Web wealth?



Suppose I kick the bucket now, what happens to my data in all the
social networks, e-mail sites and photo and video sharing sites? How
will the sites know I am dead? How long will they keep my data? What
if some hacker gets access to my data and finds out what I have been
‘doing’ online? According to a report in SC Magazine, in the US, “One
of the places identity thieves search for new victims is the obituary
column. By including the date of birth and death, the identity thief
can search the Social Security Administration’s Death Index and find
the Social Security number of the deceased.”

Ok. Let us forget the hackers. How will my family members know what I
have stored online? How will they know which sites I have accounts?
Even if they know the sites, how will they know the usernames and
passwords? Should I list them out and keep the sheet in a sealed
envelope only to be opened after God presses my life’s ‘delete’
button? Won’t I sound stupid if I tell my family that the
’super-secret’ envelope to be opened later has ’usernames and
passwords’ to social sites?

Suppose I change the passwords over a period of time after sealing the
envelope, the envelope will become useless. If so, how will they be
able to access the data stashed by me across the Web? Will the sites
allow access to my family members if they request it? Almost all major
social Web sites have their own guidelines on honouring requests for
accessing data. But this can be time-consuming and your family must
know which sites you have accounts.

There are sites such as legacylocker that allow you “to pass access to
your online accounts to friends and loved ones. It’s like a digital
safety deposit box — you can put passwords to all your online accounts
(e-mails, photos, social networks, everything online that requires a
login) in it. For every account you store, you can assign a
beneficiary, someone to whom you want to entrust your digital content
for the future”.

But what if legacylocker itself dies?

R. Dinakaran

source:
http://www.blonnet.com/ew/2009/11/02/stories/2009110250010100.htm

avinash said: very interesting! isn't it?
-- 
information exists to dissiminate

avinash shahi
persuing masters in political science
JNU delhi
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Re: [AI] eyewaynews now on twitter

[Srinivasu Chakravarthula]

Did you mean @friendofeyeway? You wrote friendsoftwitter.

On 9/27/10, George Abraham  wrote:
> Friends,
>
> If you want to receive the sms alerts from eyewaynews on twitter then start
> following friendsoftwitter
>
> Happy tweeting!
>
> George
> George Abraham
> CEO
> Score Foundation
> 17/107, Basement,
> Vikram Vihar, Lajpatnagar 4,
> New Delhi 110024
> India
> Ph: 91 11 26472581
> Telefax: 91 11 26472582
> Mob: 91 9810934040/91 9810001181
> Email: geo...@eyeway.org
> Website: www.eyeway.org
> Skype: georgeabraham13
> Twitter:friendsofeyeway
>
>
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Re: [AI] independence and mobility

[Geetha Shamanna]

Hi Jean, Rajesh and all:

I totally agree with Jean that independence does not mean not asking for and 
accepting assistance whenever required, particularly in new and unfamiliar 
environments. Here in London where the public transport system is excellent, 
I still have to resort to asking for assistance to figure out where a 
building or a bus stop is located when traveling to an unfamiliar place.

However, there is a difference between permanently depending on an assistant 
for travel as against asking for assistance when traveling independently. 
Here in England where the government provides support workers who can also 
be used as guides, I am constantly asked by prospective employers as to 
whether I can travel independently if hired. If I were to tell them that I 
would use a guide instead, I am quite certain their attitude toward hiring 
me would change perceptibly, although legally speaking, it is not supposed 
to. I think the attitude of sighted people toward blind persons using 
assistants is the same the world over; the moment they see an assistant, 
they assume, whether rightly or wrongly, that the assistant does all the 
work and is in control, even if that is not the case.

It is true that when a blind person chooses to travel with an assistant or 
otherwise, he has his own reasons and does so for his own convenience and 
not to please or displease sighted people. However, how do you explain that 
to a hiring manager or to a superior who rejected Mahesh's application? How 
do we spread awareness if people are convinced only by what they see and 
assume all blind people are similar to the one they briefly encountered on 
the street or in their office? While Mahesh's case can be highlighted, his 
is certainly not an one-off incident. There must be millions of superiors 
around the country who discriminate against a blind person, because they are 
convinced that a blind person is not capable of doing things independently. 
How do we educate such people without resorting to passing laws?

Geetha
- Original Message - 
From: "Jean Parker" 
To: "Vamshi G" ; 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] independence and mobility


Well I'm laughing outloud at your comparison!

The best would be if we are independent and effective at the same time.

Jean

- Original Message - 
From: "Vamshi G" 
To: "'Jean Parker'" ;

Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 6:01 PM
Subject: RE: [AI] independence and mobility


> Hi Jean Parker,
>
> Very rightly said.  I fully support your opinion.
>
> In the 2008 Access India convention, Mr. Vinod Asudani said, if a blind
> person wants to go out, one escort is enough.  But if the prime minister
> of
> India wants to go out, atleast 50 escorts should be there.  That means PM
> of
> India is more dependent than a blind person.  He added that being
> effective
> is more important than being independent.
>
> Ffull marks to your opinion.
>
> Regards,
> Vamshi G
> M: +91 9949349497
> R: +91 877 2243861
> Skype: gvamshi81
>
> www.retinaindia.org
> From darkness unto light
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:25 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: [AI] independence and mobility
>
> All:
>
> Being independent in one's mobility does not mean never utilizing the
> assistance of others.  Actually, it means quite the opposite.  To be
> independently mobile, one uses one's mobility skills which might include,
> cane, listening, asking for and using information about one's location,
> having back-up plans in case the first plan doesn't work, employing
> strategies to get where you want to go and, at times, requesting and
> receiving assistance from others.  The thing that makes you independent is
> that you make the decisions about where you will go, when you will go, who
> else will go, what you will do when you get there, and how you will get
> there.  It doesn't mean, nor has it ever meant, never asking for
> assistance
> from others.
> It does mean gauging one's environment based on what you know about it and
> employing the mobility skills and available assistance that best fits the
> situation.  But the key is that YOU decide, no one else decides for you.
>
> It might interest you to know that while blind people in the United States
> often pride themselves on using good cane technique and navigating to
> unknown locations "by themselves,"  this does not mean not asking for and
> receiving assistance.  The environment there is much different than it is
> here.  You should also know, that many blind people in the United States
> find themselves in the difficult situation of attending large events and
> having no assistance available to them at times when they really need it.
> This is both a practical issue and a cultural one.  It asks the question
> of
> how each person defines independe

Re: [AI] urdu braille

[shazia rizvi]

hello 

 if you are interested in learning urdu braille I can help you. 

regards 



 
Shazia Hasan
"When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at 
the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us."
-
Helen Keller

 
Shazia Hasan
"When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at 
the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us."
-
Helen Keller



 

> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 12:33:27 +0530
> From: smilerobin...@gmail.com
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: [AI] urdu braille
> 
> hello friends. I am very interested in learning urdu braillecould any
> bodytell me how could get an approach to this?
> 
> 
> On 9/24/10, accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in
>  wrote:
> > Send AccessIndia mailing list submissions to
> > accessindia@accessindia.org.in
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> > Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. braille printers (Vgem Vadagam)
> > 2. Re: behaviour of my superior (Mahesh Shah)
> > 3. Re: behaviour of my superior (Subramani L)
> > 4. Re: behaviour of my superior (rahul cherian)
> > 5. How instal Talks on nokia N.79 (Prashanth MN)
> > 6. Is it legal? (Sanjay)
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:40:59 +0530 (IST)
> > From: Vgem Vadagam 
> > To: basavaraj...@rediffmail.com
> > Cc: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> > Subject: [AI] braille printers
> > Message-ID: <65186.16565...@web137418.mail.in.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > hello,
> > ? i started to use basic -d with duxbury software from 2000. ?we
> > were able to give brl. material,
> > stories, quiz and question papers.?which is donated by rotary
> > club(portcity).. we got tgd software to embosse outline maps and pictures.
> > it is very good.
> > after my retirment? as a principal i could able to collect one?basic -d
> > printer with duxbury? through rotaryclub,visakhapatnam. now we prepared and
> > supplied?history notes for intermediate in telugu.
> > if anybody wants brl. material we can supply. u can contact president,
> > sahridayavi...@gmail.com
> > or vgemvada...@yahoo.co.in? mobile.09440778183. we are planning to release a
> > monthly magzine in our regional language.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:22:45 +0530
> > From: Mahesh Shah 
> > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> > Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
> > Message-ID:
> > 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >
> > On 9/24/10, rahul cherian  wrote:
> >> Dear Mahesh,
> >>
> >> This is a terrible situation. I think the press would definitely be
> >> interested to cover this. This kind of act must be exposed, in my opinion.
> >> Moreover, since C-DAC is a governmental organisation, you would possible
> >> even have a constitutional remedy.
> >>
> >> Do let me know if you need help in reaching out to the press. Subramani
> >> also
> >> should be able to cover this. Subramani what do you think? Is there a
> >> story
> >> here?
> >>
> >> Just a word of caution. going to the press has adverse effects as well as
> >> you may already know.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Rahul Cherian
> >> Inclusive Planet
> >>
> >> On 24 September 2010 12:28, akhilesh  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear MR. Mahesh,
> >>> I?m very sad and angry that such discriminatory incidence has happened
> >>> with you.
> >>> When these type of situations occur and your superior or or for
> >>> example, any other person behaves like this, the most effective
> >>> solution is to record such type of conversations probably that
> >>> particular recording will give you nothing for this time, but it
> >>> surely do two important things:
> >>> 1. for the next time, you?ll not be discriminated like this;
> >>> 2. These type of persons will surely thing at least many times
> >>> before
> >>> committing such acts.
> >>>
> >>> I?ve done recordings of these sorts of conversations and they have
> >>> been very very effective. Respected Vashishth sir knows about it, and
> >>> he himself has done recordings in some occasions.
> >>> With regards,
> >>> Akhilesh.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 9/24/10, Srinivasu Chakravarthula  wrote:
> >>> > Mahesh,
> >>> > Yet, I don't blame your boss although he is totally wrong, unless this
> >>> > has happened to you in the past as well. If it was for the first time.
> >>> > I think, you should have taken a little effort and tel

Re: [AI] an info and congrats to civil surgeon jalaja kumari

[namdeo2000]

Hey gentleman, how can you expect her to contact you? Her tight schedule may 
not allow this; so the best way is to get her id and get in touch with her.
- Original Message - 
From: "Srikanth Bolla" 

To: ; 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] an info and congrats to civil surgeon jalaja kumari


Hi all,
  this is Srikanth. Even I like to read about her. My hearty
congratulations to DR jalaja kumari. I appreciate her courage and
confidence. I want to know whether she lost her vision before she became a
doctor or after? And I would like to know her vision percentage. I don't
mean to ask her personal details  Or to embarrass her on the list but I am
also interested in going to pre med here in US. So I would like to know the
challenges and strengths in becoming a doctor. So I would be grateful if she
can kindly discuss her journey of becoming a doctor. I oblige if She can
contact me on my personal email at bo...@mit.edu
Regards,

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of namdeo2000
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:50 PM
To: kalyan_r...@gmail.com; accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] an info and congrats to civil surgeon jalaja kumari

This really is a great news for everyone on the list. To reach to the post
of Civil Surgeon is a great achievement. We would be happy if you could make

available a short résumé of hers.

Also mention the status of her blindness total or partial.Congratulations
from the entire Sayeverything Group.
- Original Message - 
From: "raghuraman kalyanaraman" 

To: "accessindia" 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:49 PM
Subject: [AI] an info and congrats to civil surgeon jalaja kumari



friends i am happy to inform you all that our friend dr jalaja kumari
has been promoted to civil surgeon today
i wish her all success in her career and pray the almighty to shower
his grace and love on her and her familly

--
cheers raghu

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[AI] FW: [nab_friends] Open Extempore Elocution Competition for the Visually Impaired

[Suhas Karnik]

 


To: nab_frie...@yahoogroups.co.in; sushmee...@voicevision.in
From: nab...@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:26:11 +
Subject: [nab_friends] Open Extempore Elocution Competition for the Visually 
Impaired
















To commemorate the World White Cane Day, the NAB-Sports & Cultural Centre is 
organizing an 
Open Extempore Elocution Competition for the Visually Impaired


Date: Saturday 16th October, 2010
Time 3 pm.
Venue:NAB Department of Rehabilitation,
King George V Infirmary,
Dr. E. Moses Road, Near Famous Studios,
Mahalaxmi,
MUMBAI 400 011.
Tel. Nos. 24942795/24945108.
 


Those interested in participating can collect the entry forms @ Rs. 10/- from 
Mr. R. M. Naik at NAB-DOR, Mahalaxmi or Ms. Mugdha Kulkarni Advocacy Deptt., 
NAB-HO, Worli Sea Face 

 

Attractive cash prizes will be awarded to the winners.






 
Open Extempore Elocution Competition For The Visually Impaired
Rules And Regulations
 
1. The Extempore Elocution Competition is Open for Bonafide Visually 
Impaired Persons.
 
2. The Competition will be conducted under the aegis of Sports and Cultural 
Centre for the Visually Impaired at the NAB Department of Rehabilitation, King 
George V Infirmary, Dr. E. Moses Road, Near Famous Studios, Mahalaxmi, MUMBAI 
400 011. Tel. Nos. 24942795 or 24945108.
 
 
3. The competitors can make their presentations in Hindi, Marathi or 
English. 
 
4. The Topic will be selected by the participant 5 minutes before his 
presentation by means of a draw from amongst the pre - decided topics. 
 
5.  The time duration awarded to each participant will not exceed more than 
5 minutes. 
 
 
6. Those interested in participating can collect the entry forms @ Rs.10/- 
from Mr. R M .Naik,  NAB-DOR, Mahalaxmi & Mrs. Mugdha Kulkarni,  Advocacy 
Deptt. NAB-HO, Worli Sea face & should be submitted to them accordingly.
 
7. Each Entry Form duly completed, should be accompanied with a bonafide 
Blindness Certificate . The last date for submission is 11th October 2010.
 
 
8. Attractive Cash prizes will be awarded to the Winners
 
9. The panel of Judges will be appointed by the members of the Organizing 
Committee and the decision of the Judges will be final and binding.




10.The organizers are unable to provide boarding and lodging for upcountry 
participants. 
 
 
11.Transport fare or any other fare will not be provided nor reimbursed.
 

12.In case of any further details or clarifications desired, the Competitors 
should contact the organizers at the NAB Department of Rehabilitation, on any 
working days during office hours.


 
Mr. Clarence Gomes 
Executive Director 

NAB-(I) 

 
 
 
E N T R Y  F O R M 
 
Date: ….
 
I,   bonafide Blind person desire to participate in the 
Open Elocution Competition (Extempore) for the Visually Impaired and after 
having read the Rules and Regulations detailed by the Organizers, I  promise to 
abide by the same.
Name of the participant...
.


Age: ………. Male/Female: …… 


Language of Presentation:


1.   Marathi (  )   2. Hindi (  )  3. English  (  ) 
   


Address 
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Tel. No./s  …….(M) . …..


Email ….


Any other information …….


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[AI] additional thoughts on mobility

[Jean Parker]

If you take someone's arm to cross a road for example, you are agreeing that 
for whatever reason, vision is needed to do the task.  Having made that 
decision then, you have chosen to rely on another's judgment for both of your 
safety.  This is a tricky thing because on one hand we are saying we want 
someone's help but it is vital that we remain in control of our own self as 
much as possible.  If I am using my cane properly and I step in a whole that's 
my responsibility.  If we are using a cane correctly it's not fair to make 
someone else responsible for the whereabouts of our feet. You are correct that 
we can not endanger someone else's life due to our own neglegence or 
inattentiveness.  But at the same time I say that, the two times when I have 
come the closest to being hit by a vehicle were both with sighted people.  So 
ultimately, we have to take responsibility for ourselves.

The "sighted guide" technique of walking with a sighted person has another 
aspect besides giving us the ability to disengage from that person should it 
become necessary.  If you walk with a person taking their arm, the sighted 
person is a half step before you.  This way you get all sorts of indications 
about turns, steps, doorways etc.  You can easily respond to the subtle signals 
given by the guide in this way clearing the way for meaningful conversation if 
desired rather than the all-to-often well-meant but unnecessary verbalization 
of the obvious which is so often the case when walking with the sighted.  The 
reality of these situations also is that the decisions and actions surrounding 
them take place in an instant without the luxury of time for contemplation and 
philosophical debate!

Jean
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Re: [AI] independence and mobility

[Jean Parker]

Well I'm laughing outloud at your comparison!

The best would be if we are independent and effective at the same time.

Jean

- Original Message - 
From: "Vamshi G" 
To: "'Jean Parker'" ; 


Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 6:01 PM
Subject: RE: [AI] independence and mobility



Hi Jean Parker,

Very rightly said.  I fully support your opinion.

In the 2008 Access India convention, Mr. Vinod Asudani said, if a blind
person wants to go out, one escort is enough.  But if the prime minister 
of
India wants to go out, atleast 50 escorts should be there.  That means PM 
of
India is more dependent than a blind person.  He added that being 
effective

is more important than being independent.

Ffull marks to your opinion.

Regards,
Vamshi G
M: +91 9949349497
R: +91 877 2243861
Skype: gvamshi81

www.retinaindia.org
From darkness unto light


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From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:25 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] independence and mobility

All:

Being independent in one's mobility does not mean never utilizing the
assistance of others.  Actually, it means quite the opposite.  To be
independently mobile, one uses one's mobility skills which might include,
cane, listening, asking for and using information about one's location,
having back-up plans in case the first plan doesn't work, employing
strategies to get where you want to go and, at times, requesting and
receiving assistance from others.  The thing that makes you independent is
that you make the decisions about where you will go, when you will go, who
else will go, what you will do when you get there, and how you will get
there.  It doesn't mean, nor has it ever meant, never asking for 
assistance

from others.
It does mean gauging one's environment based on what you know about it and
employing the mobility skills and available assistance that best fits the
situation.  But the key is that YOU decide, no one else decides for you.

It might interest you to know that while blind people in the United States
often pride themselves on using good cane technique and navigating to
unknown locations "by themselves,"  this does not mean not asking for and
receiving assistance.  The environment there is much different than it is
here.  You should also know, that many blind people in the United States
find themselves in the difficult situation of attending large events and
having no assistance available to them at times when they really need it.
This is both a practical issue and a cultural one.  It asks the question 
of
how each person defines independence and how do they implement their 
beliefs
in everyday life.  It also raises the question of how we judge each 
other's

mobility skills and/or preferences.  This is an ongoing debate among blind
people which will probably not be completed in any of our lifetimes.

We can not always apply the mobility strategies used in the west here in
India or in most other developing countries.  But we can adapt much of the
philosophy that has emerged in the west and adjust the techniques to meet
our individual needs.

Finally, having traveled widely in many parts of the world, the strategies 
I

use to get where I want to go are always flexible as to the environment,
language, time of day, culture and a million other factors that are beyond
the scope of this list.  The strategies I use in India are often different
than the one's I use in America or Europe but the end result is that I 
still

get where I want to go and I am in control of the process.

Jean

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[AI] URGENT - Feedback sought for PwD Act draft chapters so far

[Vaishnavi Jayakumar]

Hi all,

I apologise for the short notice - I have been quite unwell the past week.

I will be attending the new PwD Act Committee meeting in Delhi from 29th
Sept-Oct 1st. Please do send in whatever inputs you have based on the
documents below from the official NALSAR site
http://www.disabilitystudiesnalsar.org/lawpolicy.php

Other documents like work plan etc are available (unofficially) at
http://wethepwdofindia.blogspot.com/ as circulated earlier. I notice that
Capt. Johann has posted his comments and suggestions - I urge the rest of
the group to contribute as well. I will be accessing email every day
and would be happy to raise your concerns to the sub-groups and revert on
proceedings once I'm back in Chennai.

Warmly,

Vaishnavi Jayakumar


LAW AND POLICY REFORM

The Centre has been examining for Government of India and Disabled Peoples
Organizations the Legislative Changes required to harmonize Indian law with
CRPD.
New Persons with Disabilities Act

The New PDA Committee has established sub-groups to settle the substantive
content of the new law. The various discussion documents put together by the
sub-groups are being uploaded under the title of the particular group. The
deliberations of the sub-group are work in progress; hence the later version
would prevail over the earlier version. In order to help the readers to keep
track of the most recent document, every discussion document released by the
sub-group would carry a date. And the document with the most recent date
would be the current document.

In order to help keep track of the deliberations of the Committee, the
agenda of the discussions with CDS, NALSAR and the highlights of the NALSAR
meetings are also being uploaded.

Sub-groups:
Preamble and Definition

*Committee members:* Mr. Akhil, Dr. Karna (Team Leader), Ms. Poonam
Natarajan (Ms. Merry Barua will provide her suggestions on Autism to this
group)

Preamble Definitions Act 2010 - September
2010

CDS Report of the Preamble and Definitions Meeting - 20th September
2010
 Civil and Political Rights and Legal Capacity

*Committee members:* Dr. Govinda Rao, Ms G Syamala (Team Leader), Mr. J P
Gadkari, Mr. Rajiv Rajan, Ms Jayshree Raveendran, Ms Bhargavi Davar, Mr.
Rajiv Rajan, Ms G Syamala, Ms Jayshree Raveendran.

Minutes for Civil and Political Rights and Legal
Capacity

Base Document on Civil Political Rights Disaggregated by Nature of
Intervention 
 Education

*Committee members:* Mr. Punani, Ms Poonam Natarajan, Dr. Uma Tuli, Mr.
Narayanan, Ms Merry Barua.

Agenda for Education Sub-Group Consultation 4th September
2010

Minutes for Education Sub-Group Consultation 5th September
2010

CDS Report on 
Education
 Employment and Occupation

*Committee members:* Mr. Rajive Raturi, Ms Jayshree Raveendran (Team
Leader), Mr. Ramakrishna, Mr. Punani, Ms Srikala, Mr. J P Gadkari, Mr. K.G.
Verma (Rep. of DoPT).

Agenda for meeting of Chapter on Employment and
Occupation

Minutes for meeting of Chapter on Employment and
Occupation
 Accessibility

*Committee members:* Ms Rukmini, Mr. Narayanan, Mr. Rajive Raturi, Mr. Rajiv
Rajan (Team Leader).

Agenda for Sub-Group Meeting on
Accessibility

Report for Sub-Group Meeting on
Accessibility

Chapter on 
Accessibility

Additional Chapter on
Accessibility
 Authoritiies

*Committee members:* Dr. Uma Tuli, Mr. Pitam, Ms Poonam Natarajan (Team
Leader), Mr. Cordozo, Comm (D) Assam, Comm (D), WB.

Agenda for Sub-Group Meeting on
Authorities

Minutes of Sub-Group Meeting on
Authorities

CDS Report on 
Authorities
 Social Security

*Committee members:* Mr. Rajive Raturi, Ms Jayshree Raveendran (Team
Leader), Mr. Ramakrishna, Mr. Punani, Rajiv Rajan.

Minutes - Working Paper of Chapter on Social
Security
 Human Resource Development

*Committee members:* Mr. Cordozo, Ms G Syamala (Team Leader), Mr. Akhil
Paul, Rep. of M/o HRD, Dr. Govinda Rao.

Update based on ongoing discuss

Re: [AI] independence and mobility

[Vamshi G]

Hi Jean Parker,

Very rightly said.  I fully support your opinion.

In the 2008 Access India convention, Mr. Vinod Asudani said, if a blind
person wants to go out, one escort is enough.  But if the prime minister of
India wants to go out, atleast 50 escorts should be there.  That means PM of
India is more dependent than a blind person.  He added that being effective
is more important than being independent.  

Ffull marks to your opinion.

Regards,
Vamshi G
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www.retinaindia.org
>From darkness unto light
 
 
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:25 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] independence and mobility

All:

Being independent in one's mobility does not mean never utilizing the
assistance of others.  Actually, it means quite the opposite.  To be
independently mobile, one uses one's mobility skills which might include,
cane, listening, asking for and using information about one's location,
having back-up plans in case the first plan doesn't work, employing
strategies to get where you want to go and, at times, requesting and
receiving assistance from others.  The thing that makes you independent is
that you make the decisions about where you will go, when you will go, who
else will go, what you will do when you get there, and how you will get
there.  It doesn't mean, nor has it ever meant, never asking for assistance
from others.  
It does mean gauging one's environment based on what you know about it and
employing the mobility skills and available assistance that best fits the
situation.  But the key is that YOU decide, no one else decides for you.

It might interest you to know that while blind people in the United States
often pride themselves on using good cane technique and navigating to
unknown locations "by themselves,"  this does not mean not asking for and
receiving assistance.  The environment there is much different than it is
here.  You should also know, that many blind people in the United States
find themselves in the difficult situation of attending large events and
having no assistance available to them at times when they really need it.
This is both a practical issue and a cultural one.  It asks the question of
how each person defines independence and how do they implement their beliefs
in everyday life.  It also raises the question of how we judge each other's
mobility skills and/or preferences.  This is an ongoing debate among blind
people which will probably not be completed in any of our lifetimes.  

We can not always apply the mobility strategies used in the west here in
India or in most other developing countries.  But we can adapt much of the
philosophy that has emerged in the west and adjust the techniques to meet
our individual needs.

Finally, having traveled widely in many parts of the world, the strategies I
use to get where I want to go are always flexible as to the environment,
language, time of day, culture and a million other factors that are beyond
the scope of this list.  The strategies I use in India are often different
than the one's I use in America or Europe but the end result is that I still
get where I want to go and I am in control of the process.  

Jean
 
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[AI] eyewaynews now on twitter

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Re: [AI] additional thoughts on mobility

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Of course, willingness to keep control in our hands and be independent as ffar 
as possible is always admirable.
Jean's example of holding the arm/hand of the guiding person and not vice versa 
is really nice.
However, I have observed blind folks trying to substitute their judgment while 
navigating even crucial and perilous points like stopping or proceeding while 
crossing the road in preference to escort's judgment, which is uncalled for and 
must put the escort in the difficult position of dispensability and 
unwantedness to say the least and may endanger lives of both, the escort and 
blind person at worst.


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of mahendra
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 5:59 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] additional thoughts on mobility

but friends, Jeen is talking about willingness to be independent,
trying our own bit,so to   say!!

i don't remember Mahesh replying to all this points, raised by members.
correct me, if i have missed out something from Mahesh.


   At 10:56 AM 9/27/2010, you wrote:
>Coming back to mahesh's case, need for guiding in mobility by team
>members while in america, cannot be the denying factor, rather it
>has to be considered part of enabling environment at workplace.
>In other words, we cannot say that mahesh should go to US only
>if  he  has independent mobility skills.
>More often than not, being escorted by somebody makes us more safe
>and brings much needed convenience in life.
>
>So, Aisha, I request you to shed off your typically american
>attitude and consider the things Indian way.
>
> Hats off to Jean for explaining the things so nicely.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
>[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker
>Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:31 PM
>To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>Subject: [AI] additional thoughts on mobility
>
>Further to my previous posting, here are some other things to consider.
>
>Many of you know that my work requires a lot of travel both inside
>India and to other parts of the world.  The fact is that I could not
>do my job if I lived in North America.  Why?  Because there is
>inadequate transport and I don't drive.  America is a country in
>love with its cars and the transport infrastructure reflects
>this.  Even in the largest cities on the east coast it would be
>difficult or impossible to do the kind of work I do because there is
>inadequate transport.
>
>America is set up for people who drive.  India on the other hand, is
>set up for people who don't drive.  Even with the increase in the
>amount of vehicles on the roads today, the infrastructure of trains,
>buses and rickshaws remains intact.  There is a culture of public
>transport.  Everyone uses it except the very wealthy.  In America
>most people who use public transport are the poor and those who have
>lost their driving license because of drunk driving.  Although in
>cities like New York, Boston and Washington this is not as much the
>case, there is no arguing the fact that America is geared to those who drive.
>
>So what does that mean in a practical sense?  In America where a
>blind person can live is limited by the availability of public
>transport unless they make a choice to ask others for rides all the
>time.  It means a blind person's work location is also limited by
>the availability of transport unless he wants to depend on
>co-workers or taxis which are extremely expensive.  It also means
>that a blind person's social life is limited by these same factors
>unless he is accompanied by a sighted friend or relative.  In most
>places in the US, using public transportation is not a viable option
>if one is seeking equality in the ability to move about in society.
>
>When a blind person in the west encounters some blind person from
>India or another developing country and that person has an assistant
>with them, some look upon this with scorn.  They observe that the
>blind person allows the assistant to make decisions for them and is
>not in control of how the assistant actually empowers that blind
>person to do his job more effectively.  But others look upon this
>with curiosity and some envy.  In America, one can not choose
>whether or not to travel with an assistant.  There are none.  One
>either does the thing himself or it doesn't get done at all.
>
>One advantage we have here is that we can choose whether or not to
>seek assistance and we can govern how that assistance is
>utilized.  We can be very creative about this.  Having a personal
>assistant is part of the culture.  It is not at all considered
>unusual to have one so if you're blind, you can have your driver or
>your assistant and it's considered normal.  Not so in America.
>
>If we choose to use it, we have a lot of autonomy here that is not
>available in the west.  If I have an appoi

Re: [AI] additional thoughts on mobility

[mahendra]

but friends, Jeen is talking about willingness to be independent, 
trying our own bit,so to   say!!


i don't remember Mahesh replying to all this points, raised by members.
correct me, if i have missed out something from Mahesh.


  At 10:56 AM 9/27/2010, you wrote:
Coming back to mahesh's case, need for guiding in mobility by team 
members while in america, cannot be the denying factor, rather it 
has to be considered part of enabling environment at workplace.
In other words, we cannot say that mahesh should go to US only 
if  he  has independent mobility skills.
More often than not, being escorted by somebody makes us more safe 
and brings much needed convenience in life.


So, Aisha, I request you to shed off your typically american 
attitude and consider the things Indian way.


Hats off to Jean for explaining the things so nicely.


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker

Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:31 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] additional thoughts on mobility

Further to my previous posting, here are some other things to consider.

Many of you know that my work requires a lot of travel both inside 
India and to other parts of the world.  The fact is that I could not 
do my job if I lived in North America.  Why?  Because there is 
inadequate transport and I don't drive.  America is a country in 
love with its cars and the transport infrastructure reflects 
this.  Even in the largest cities on the east coast it would be 
difficult or impossible to do the kind of work I do because there is 
inadequate transport.


America is set up for people who drive.  India on the other hand, is 
set up for people who don't drive.  Even with the increase in the 
amount of vehicles on the roads today, the infrastructure of trains, 
buses and rickshaws remains intact.  There is a culture of public 
transport.  Everyone uses it except the very wealthy.  In America 
most people who use public transport are the poor and those who have 
lost their driving license because of drunk driving.  Although in 
cities like New York, Boston and Washington this is not as much the 
case, there is no arguing the fact that America is geared to those who drive.


So what does that mean in a practical sense?  In America where a 
blind person can live is limited by the availability of public 
transport unless they make a choice to ask others for rides all the 
time.  It means a blind person's work location is also limited by 
the availability of transport unless he wants to depend on 
co-workers or taxis which are extremely expensive.  It also means 
that a blind person's social life is limited by these same factors 
unless he is accompanied by a sighted friend or relative.  In most 
places in the US, using public transportation is not a viable option 
if one is seeking equality in the ability to move about in society.


When a blind person in the west encounters some blind person from 
India or another developing country and that person has an assistant 
with them, some look upon this with scorn.  They observe that the 
blind person allows the assistant to make decisions for them and is 
not in control of how the assistant actually empowers that blind 
person to do his job more effectively.  But others look upon this 
with curiosity and some envy.  In America, one can not choose 
whether or not to travel with an assistant.  There are none.  One 
either does the thing himself or it doesn't get done at all.


One advantage we have here is that we can choose whether or not to 
seek assistance and we can govern how that assistance is 
utilized.  We can be very creative about this.  Having a personal 
assistant is part of the culture.  It is not at all considered 
unusual to have one so if you're blind, you can have your driver or 
your assistant and it's considered normal.  Not so in America.


If we choose to use it, we have a lot of autonomy here that is not 
available in the west.  If I have an appointment ten kilometers away 
for example and I either need or want to go there by myself, in 
India I go outside my building and get a rickshaw and go there.  In 
America I have two choices depending on where the appointment is.  I 
might be able to take several buses in which case I would have to 
plan ahead, figure out the schedules, find out if the bus goes 
anywhere close to the place I want to go, and perhaps spend several 
hours getting there and back.  Or, I can get a taxi which would cost 
an enormous amount of money.  Neither choice leads to 
equality.  People ask me all the time why I have remained in India 
as long as I have.  One of the biggest reasons is transport.


There are also significant disadvantages in India that we all know 
about and there is no need to reiterate them here, perhaps the 
biggest exclusionary factor we all face is social exclusion and 
paternalism.  This is proba

[AI] Moderator: needed information about the nokia n6, and nokia x2

[Kotian, H P]

Hello

It was just a few days ago I took action against a message which was piracy 
abbeting.

I am surprised, despite so many mails regarding strict action being taken on 
those putting requests for patches etc, I have to take folks to task.

Anyways, This thread is closed for all traffic with immediate effect.

Harish Kotian
Moderator.

From: "kannan.m" 
Subject: [AI] needed information about the nokia n6, and nokia x2

Hello, Dear acces indian friends,as mr. gopalakrishnan said, today nokia c100 
has been launched with the facility of handling dual SIM. and its rate is Rs 
1999. But in mass medias we can see the ads for nokia n6 and nokia x2.
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Re: [AI] needed information about the nokia n6, and nokia x2

[jayinfotech]

Pl no talks of any software piracy on forum , else Harish will ban you.
Hope you understand
Amit

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[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of kannan.m
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 15:40
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] needed information about the nokia n6, and nokia x2

Hello, Dear acces indian friends,as mr. gopalakrishnan said, today nokia
c100 has been launched with the facility of handling dual SIM. and its rate
is Rs 1999. But in mass medias we can see the ads for nokia n6 and nokia x2.
Particulary nokia x2 is coming with sterio speakers. But, I don't know that
the nokia x2 is functioning with simbian OS60. Mean time I came to know
about JAWS12, While reading the access indian friends messages. Could any
body can say that the crack version of JAWS12 has been released? if it is
available please send me it's link, and link for kurzweil12. My e-mail ID is
m.kannan...@gmail.com

Thanking You all
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[AI] one more thought

[Jean Parker]

I promise this is the last for a while and I will return to my usual observer 
status.

About asking for assistance, I am a good cane traveler.  I have good mobility 
skills and have taught others.  But, each time I cross the road in front of my 
building I ask for assistance.  There is no signal, the road is fast and 
downhill and I can't always hear the traffic coming.  So I ask.  It's the safe 
and practical thing to do.  But I do it in a way that keeps me in control, for 
example, taking the person's arm instead of the other way round, continuing to 
use my cane and not letting them get the idea they are indispensable, they are 
not.

Jean
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Re: [AI] Regarding purchase of Net Book

[jayinfotech]

Rishi, 
Cheapest is Asus Nettop for around Rs 14,000/- without Windows .
Samsung N150 Comes with WinXP home for Rs 16000/-. N210 has 2gb RAM instead
of 1 gb.
Hope this helps you
Amit


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[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Rishi
Kewalramani
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 18:16
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] Regarding purchase of Net Book

Dear all,
I need to buy a Net book and needed your guidance for the same.
A few months back some were recommending  Samsung Net books since the
keyboard is good.
If my  memory serves me right it was Samsung N210.

My budget is around 20k. Should i go   for Samsung N210 itself or has some
better model come out in Samsung?

Looking forward  to all your kind guidance,
Regards,
Rishi.
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Re: [AI] Burning CDS & DVDs using ubuntu

[Balaram]

You can also use another effective program named gnomebaker.



On 09/27/2010 03:09 PM, Sanjay wrote:

Burning CDs and DVDs using Linux is as easy as it gets. If you have bad

memories of the poor utilities in Windows or bloated third-party suites, cheer

up: Ubuntu includes a slimline and effective program called Brasero.

Brasero can create audio and data CDs and DVDs, video discs and even discs from

ISO images. If you want to perform a straight copy from one CD to another, then

it's more than capable of the task.

Follow our guide and you'll discover that using writable and rewritable discs

with Linux is even easier than it is with Windows.

Jim Martin

Deputy Editor

Burning CDs and DVDs using Brasero

Brasero is Ubuntu's built-in disc-burning application and it offers a range of

easy-to-use options. Jim Martin shows you how to feel the burn

Creating data discs and audio CDs is easy with Brasero. The friendly interface

has a selection of large buttons that allow you to burn audio CDs and data

discs, create video DVDs, make direct copies of CDs and DVDs and burn ISO images

of a CD or DVD. It can also erase rewritable CDs and DVDs.

How to...

Burn an audio CD

1

Insert a blank CD-R into your CD writer and launch Brasero Disc Burner, which

you'll find under Sound&  Video in the Applications menu. Click the Audio

project button under the 'Create a new project:' heading.

2

Add some audio files by clicking the green + button and browsing to your music.

Brasero supports any format for which you have the codecs installed. Fire it up

immediately after you install Ubuntu and you'll find it won't even support MP3s.

To install a codec, simply search for the formats you need in Synaptic Package

Manager and mark them for installation. When this is done, choose the files you

want to burn. Ctrl-A selects all files in the folder, or click on the first one

you want, hold Shift and click on the last to select a block of files.

3

Click Add and the files will be added to the project. You can type a title for

the CD in the box at the bottom, and double-click on each track to edit the

information; this is useful if you have a CD player that displays text. You can

split tracks using the knife icon in the toolbar, while the pause icon adds a

two-second pause after a track.

4

Click the Burn button in the bottom corner. The only option you may want to

change if you have problems burning discs is to reduce the speed to a setting

lower than the default Maximum. Once you've clicked Burn, Brasero will make all

the tracks the same volume (normalisation), write the CD text information and

then burn the tracks. When the process is complete, the disc should eject and

be ready to play.

How to...

Burn an iSO image

Often you'll want to burn a CD or DVD from an ISO image you've downloaded,

perhaps when a newer version of Ubuntu becomes available or you want to install

another Linux distribution. Brasero can handle this with the minimum of hassle.

An ISO image is like a Zip archive of all the files on a CD or DVD. When you

burn an ISO image, the files within it are written to the disc in the correct

folder structure. Download the ISO image you want to burn, launch Brasero and

click Burn image.

2

Insert a suitable disc for the size of the image to be burned into your CD or

DVD writer. The size of the ISO file tells you the minimum disc size you'll

need. As we're burning a Ubuntu 9.10 disc, we'll use a CD-R, as the ISO file is

698MB.

The Image Burning Setup window will appear. You'll need to select the ISO

image, so browse to the folder or drive where it's located.

3

Now click the Properties button. You can alter the burning speed here, but it's

advisable to choose a speed less than the maximum rated speed of your disc only

if you find there are errors when you burn the disc. You can choose to leave

the disc open - so that more files can be added later - but as we're leaving

just 3.9MB of free space, there's no point in this example. If your CD or DVD

writer supports a 'burnproof' mode (which most do), ensure that this box is

ticked. Finally, click the Close button.

4

All that's left to do is click the Burn button. Brasero will display a progress

bar telling you how long is left and what is being written to the disc. When

the disc is burned, it should automatically eject from the drive, unless you

unticked that option.

It's a good idea to write on the disc so you remember what's on it, but it's now

ready to use. In this case, the disc is bootable, so it can be popped into the

drive of the computer on which we want to install Ubuntu. If you do the same

but find the computer doesn't boot from the CD, you may need to enter your PC's

BIOS to change the order of boot devices, making sure the CD or DVD drive is the

first, or at least comes before the hard disk.

How to...

Burn a data disc

1

Choose the type of disc you want to write to from the list at the bottom of the

screen, 

Re: [AI] linux questions

[Balaram]

I would like to know The difference between ubuntu and vinux.
Vinux is a distribution made out of ubuntu.
This is done to enhance accessibility
You can get more details by going to vinux.org.uk

 Which  one is a best alternative for me.
Vinux.
It is easy to install and more accessible.

 Does it support any email client?
Of course.
It has Evolution and it is an Email client.
You can also use thunderbird.
 how far its spreadsheet and word processors are accessible from a blind 
person's perspectives?  .

It is mostly accessible.
But, keystrokes are different and you will not be as comfortable using 
open office compared to MS office and JAWS.
But, there is no harm in try and use it, as, many are using it with 
reasonable ease.

































On 09/27/2010 03:08 PM, Sanjay wrote:

Friends,
I am planning to shift from windows to linux.  I would like to know The 
difference between ubuntu and vinux.  Which  one is a best alternative for me.  
Does it support any email client?  and, how far its spreadsheet and word 
processors are accessible from a blind person's perspectives?  .
   



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Re: [AI] clarification requested on professional tax exemption forpersons with visual challenges

[kannan.m]

Hello Vinodh, the professonal tax uis levied by the state governments. 
Particulary Tamilnadu Government has been given exemption from paying 
professional tax for all the physically challenged persons quite a long 
period. We can see the G O in the G O book editions which were published by 
the blind associations. By producing the copy of that G O, we can get the 
exemption.


Thanking You
- Original Message - 
   From: "vinod benjamin" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 11:46 PM
Subject: [AI] clarification requested on professional tax exemption 
forpersons with visual challenges




Dear Access Indians,



Would like to know is there any exemption for professional tax, as I work
for an MNC ,I have been paying this for the past 2 years , if you could
support me with any G O that would be of great help , would like to add 
that

I am availing  I T exemption but not professional tax.



Thanking you in anticipation,



Vinod Benjamin

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[AI] needed information about the nokia n6, and nokia x2

[kannan.m]

Hello, Dear acces indian friends,as mr. gopalakrishnan said, today nokia c100 
has been launched with the facility of handling dual SIM. and its rate is Rs 
1999. But in mass medias we can see the ads for nokia n6 and nokia x2. 
Particulary nokia x2 is coming with sterio speakers. But, I don't know that the 
nokia x2 is functioning with simbian OS60. Mean time I came to know about 
JAWS12, While reading the access indian friends messages. Could any body can 
say that the crack version of JAWS12 has been released? if it is available 
please send me it's link, and link for kurzweil12. My e-mail ID is 
m.kannan...@gmail.com

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Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

[jayinfotech]

I plead Mahesh to fight for his rights otherwise more problems may occur in
future. Boss may understand many things but not put in practice for petty
office politics. Office politics can go any level

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Subramani L
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 16:34
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

If he hadn't explained I understand why: it's the shock and disbelief
that silences you more than anything else. If someone is the most
senior person and has all necessary qualifications, what more
explanation is required? The boss must be absolutely out of his mind
to ignore all the reasons why Mahesh could have been selected. Not
being able to see is curable, failing to see is difficult to cure!! If
Mahesh is shocked why his boss is unable to see in spite of his
physical ability to see, would you blame him?

Subramani



On 9/24/10, Srinivasu Chakravarthula  wrote:
> Rahul and others,
> I would have surely supported your view, if Mahesh had explained his
> superior that he could travel and participated and he should have told
> them, it is inappropriate to back him by just the reason that he is
> blind. As per Mahesh's original email, it does not appears to me that
> he tried anything to create awareness.
>
> Whether we like it or not, still there is lots to be done from
> awareness prospective. I even think, lot of NGOs needs to be improved
> too.
>
> Thanks,
>
> On 9/24/10, rahul cherian  wrote:
>> I think that a comprehensive approach is needed, both in terms of legal
>> strategy as well as media engagement. One without the other will not make
>> any significant difference. If we as educated, technology using persons
>> with
>> disabilities fail to respond to, and take up such issues change will
>> happen
>> only slowly. We have to make change happen and not wait for it to take
its
>> time.
>>
>> Mahesh, do let me know whether I should get some journalists to get in
>> touch
>> with you.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24 September 2010 15:56, Subramani L 
wrote:
>>
>>> It is indeed shocking and dismaying to see someone who is technically
>>> minded has to speak like this. Ironically, these are the very people
>>> who seem to boast about their work on ORCA and other so-called
>>> accessibility tools for the disabled persons . One thing they must try
>>> developing is a device with a heart and a proper thinking brain:
>>> things they obviously do not have. Sometimes I lose my cool on hearing
>>> things like these since it makes me wonder what best can be done to
>>> put sense into people's head. After all, I can write and people like
>>> Subash Vhashisht, Kanchan or Rahul can fight, but putting sense into
>>> people's head... Difficult thing indeed. So Mahesh, it's their loss
>>> not your's.
>>>
>>> Subramani
>>>
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>>> disability bill at:
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>
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Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

[jayinfotech]

Mahesh,
  Sorry to hear your incident. But I feel you are more to blame then
your boss as I feel you should had tried to rectify the issue instead of
meekly bowing to whims of your boss. This will open flood gates of more
troublesome behavior from your boss & also from your other office mates. If
still time is in your favour fight for your rights & try to join that tour
to US. Pl be role models for others. Atleast fight for your rights maybe you
may not win but give a try so that you will not regret for not trying.
Amit

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Subramani L
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 15:56
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

It is indeed shocking and dismaying to see someone who is technically
minded has to speak like this. Ironically, these are the very people
who seem to boast about their work on ORCA and other so-called
accessibility tools for the disabled persons . One thing they must try
developing is a device with a heart and a proper thinking brain:
things they obviously do not have. Sometimes I lose my cool on hearing
things like these since it makes me wonder what best can be done to
put sense into people's head. After all, I can write and people like
Subash Vhashisht, Kanchan or Rahul can fight, but putting sense into
people's head... Difficult thing indeed. So Mahesh, it's their loss
not your's.

Subramani

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Re: [AI] additional thoughts on mobility

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Coming back to mahesh's case, need for guiding in mobility by team members 
while in america, cannot be the denying factor, rather it has to be considered 
part of enabling environment at workplace.
In other words, we cannot say that mahesh should go to US only if  he  has 
independent mobility skills.
More often than not, being escorted by somebody makes us more safe and brings 
much needed convenience in life.

So, Aisha, I request you to shed off your typically american attitude and 
consider the things Indian way.

Hats off to Jean for explaining the things so nicely.


-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Jean Parker
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:31 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] additional thoughts on mobility

Further to my previous posting, here are some other things to consider.

Many of you know that my work requires a lot of travel both inside India and to 
other parts of the world.  The fact is that I could not do my job if I lived in 
North America.  Why?  Because there is inadequate transport and I don't drive.  
America is a country in love with its cars and the transport infrastructure 
reflects this.  Even in the largest cities on the east coast it would be 
difficult or impossible to do the kind of work I do because there is inadequate 
transport.

America is set up for people who drive.  India on the other hand, is set up for 
people who don't drive.  Even with the increase in the amount of vehicles on 
the roads today, the infrastructure of trains, buses and rickshaws remains 
intact.  There is a culture of public transport.  Everyone uses it except the 
very wealthy.  In America most people who use public transport are the poor and 
those who have lost their driving license because of drunk driving.  Although 
in cities like New York, Boston and Washington this is not as much the case, 
there is no arguing the fact that America is geared to those who drive.

So what does that mean in a practical sense?  In America where a blind person 
can live is limited by the availability of public transport unless they make a 
choice to ask others for rides all the time.  It means a blind person's work 
location is also limited by the availability of transport unless he wants to 
depend on co-workers or taxis which are extremely expensive.  It also means 
that a blind person's social life is limited by these same factors unless he is 
accompanied by a sighted friend or relative.  In most places in the US, using 
public transportation is not a viable option if one is seeking equality in the 
ability to move about in society.

When a blind person in the west encounters some blind person from India or 
another developing country and that person has an assistant with them, some 
look upon this with scorn.  They observe that the blind person allows the 
assistant to make decisions for them and is not in control of how the assistant 
actually empowers that blind person to do his job more effectively.  But others 
look upon this with curiosity and some envy.  In America, one can not choose 
whether or not to travel with an assistant.  There are none.  One either does 
the thing himself or it doesn't get done at all.

One advantage we have here is that we can choose whether or not to seek 
assistance and we can govern how that assistance is utilized.  We can be very 
creative about this.  Having a personal assistant is part of the culture.  It 
is not at all considered unusual to have one so if you're blind, you can have 
your driver or your assistant and it's considered normal.  Not so in America.

If we choose to use it, we have a lot of autonomy here that is not available in 
the west.  If I have an appointment ten kilometers away for example and I 
either need or want to go there by myself, in India I go outside my building 
and get a rickshaw and go there.  In America I have two choices depending on 
where the appointment is.  I might be able to take several buses in which case 
I would have to plan ahead, figure out the schedules, find out if the bus goes 
anywhere close to the place I want to go, and perhaps spend several hours 
getting there and back.  Or, I can get a taxi which would cost an enormous 
amount of money.  Neither choice leads to equality.  People ask me all the time 
why I have remained in India as long as I have.  One of the biggest reasons is 
transport.

There are also significant disadvantages in India that we all know about and 
there is no need to reiterate them here, perhaps the biggest exclusionary 
factor we all face is social exclusion and paternalism.  This is probably the 
root cause of most of the difficulties of blind people.  In America, things are 
in general but not always more advanced in this department.

There are many other things that are more convenient here that are again, 
beyond the scope of this list.  All I want to say is that 

[AI] FIX A FRIEND'S PC REMOTELY

[Sanjay]

Ever felt the frustration of trying to help someone fix their computer by

talking to them over the phone? simon edwards shows how to take matters into

your own hands

We've all been there, frustrated and cross, trying to help someone fix their PC

by talking them through a series of instructions over the phone. Trying to

visualise how their software or version of Windows works can be tricky to all

but the most well-practiced technical support engineer. However, if you got

your hands on their computer, the chances are you'd be able to sort out the

problem in seconds. In this walkthrough, we show you how to control someone

else's PC over the internet, using the software that's built into every modern

version of Windows.

If the PC you want to control is on your local network then you can just follow

last month's How To... Control multiple PCs. However, if a friend or relative

calls you out of the blue you're going to need a way to log on over the internet

on the hoof, without them having to reconfigure their firewall to allow you

access.

If you have physical access to a computer that belongs to someone you know will

probably need help at some point in the future, you can make life easier for

yourself (and them) by installing Windows Live Messenger (

http://download.live.com/messenger). You could also set them up with a Windows

Live ID account, which is free. This combination will enable you to chat with

them online. As we explain below, it has another very significant benefit.

Remote Assistance is a Windows feature that lets you ask someone for help and,

within certain limits, permits them to log in and fix your computer. The

easiest way to initiate this is to chat using Windows Live Messenger. We'll

show you how to work this way first of all, and then we'll explain an

alternative approach for those who don't have this software installed, or can't

use it.

1 

If your friend's problem is related to wireless networking ask them to connect

their PC directly to their ADSL router using a network cable. Unless their

internet connection is down - in which case, you're never going to be able to

log in without doing some advanced work with old fashioned modems - this will

probably be enough to get them online. Then ask them to load Windows Live

Messenger and start chatting.

2 

Once you've established contact online, ask them to click on the Activities menu

and choose the Request Remote Assistance option. You'll receive a request in

the chat window. Click the Accept link or press Alt-C.

3 

At this stage, two things will happen simultaneously. On your friend's screen a

message will appear, asking if they would like to allow you to connect - this

comes with the warning that you'll be able to see everything on their Desktop.

At the same time, a large black Remote Assistance window will appear on your

screen. As soon as your friend clicks the Yes button, the black screen will be

replaced with an exact (although probably scaled-down) representation of their

Desktop. You'll be able to see them run programs, move windows and perform

other tasks.

4 

If you need to take full control remotely, click the Take Control button at the

top left of the Remote Assistance window. Your friend will be asked, "Would you

like to allow youremailaddr...@yourisp.com to share control of your Desktop?"

Once they click the Yes button, you can both use the computer at the same time.

Ask them to leave the mouse and keyboard alone as you try to solve their

problem. When you've finished, click the Disconnect button on the top menu.

5 

If your friend doesn't have access to Windows Live Messenger, and their email

works, ask them to run Windows Remote Assistance manually. Windows XP has a

shortcut on its Accessories menu, while Windows 7 keeps it in the Maintenance

folder. Both are available from the Start menu. When they've clicked on it,

ask them to choose the option called 'Invite someone you trust to help you'. On

the next screen, they should click the 'Save this invitation as a file' option.

They will be prompted to save a file, which you can suggest they do directly on

their Desktop. They will now see a small window containing a password, which

they should tell you over the phone.

6 

Ask your friend to send you an email with the file they saved in Step 5

attached. When you download and run this file, enter the password that your

friend told you in the same step and you'll find yourself at Step 3. If they

click Yes to the prompts, you'll be able to log in and control their computer

remotely.


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[AI] Burning CDS & DVDs using ubuntu

[Sanjay]

Burning CDs and DVDs using Linux is as easy as it gets. If you have bad

memories of the poor utilities in Windows or bloated third-party suites, cheer

up: Ubuntu includes a slimline and effective program called Brasero.

Brasero can create audio and data CDs and DVDs, video discs and even discs from

ISO images. If you want to perform a straight copy from one CD to another, then

it's more than capable of the task.

Follow our guide and you'll discover that using writable and rewritable discs

with Linux is even easier than it is with Windows.

Jim Martin 

Deputy Editor 

Burning CDs and DVDs using Brasero 

Brasero is Ubuntu's built-in disc-burning application and it offers a range of

easy-to-use options. Jim Martin shows you how to feel the burn

Creating data discs and audio CDs is easy with Brasero. The friendly interface

has a selection of large buttons that allow you to burn audio CDs and data

discs, create video DVDs, make direct copies of CDs and DVDs and burn ISO images

of a CD or DVD. It can also erase rewritable CDs and DVDs.

How to... 

Burn an audio CD 

1 

Insert a blank CD-R into your CD writer and launch Brasero Disc Burner, which

you'll find under Sound & Video in the Applications menu. Click the Audio

project button under the 'Create a new project:' heading.

2 

Add some audio files by clicking the green + button and browsing to your music.

Brasero supports any format for which you have the codecs installed. Fire it up

immediately after you install Ubuntu and you'll find it won't even support MP3s.

To install a codec, simply search for the formats you need in Synaptic Package

Manager and mark them for installation. When this is done, choose the files you

want to burn. Ctrl-A selects all files in the folder, or click on the first one

you want, hold Shift and click on the last to select a block of files.

3 

Click Add and the files will be added to the project. You can type a title for

the CD in the box at the bottom, and double-click on each track to edit the

information; this is useful if you have a CD player that displays text. You can

split tracks using the knife icon in the toolbar, while the pause icon adds a

two-second pause after a track.

4 

Click the Burn button in the bottom corner. The only option you may want to

change if you have problems burning discs is to reduce the speed to a setting

lower than the default Maximum. Once you've clicked Burn, Brasero will make all

the tracks the same volume (normalisation), write the CD text information and

then burn the tracks. When the process is complete, the disc should eject and

be ready to play.

How to... 

Burn an iSO image 

Often you'll want to burn a CD or DVD from an ISO image you've downloaded,

perhaps when a newer version of Ubuntu becomes available or you want to install

another Linux distribution. Brasero can handle this with the minimum of hassle.

An ISO image is like a Zip archive of all the files on a CD or DVD. When you

burn an ISO image, the files within it are written to the disc in the correct

folder structure. Download the ISO image you want to burn, launch Brasero and

click Burn image.

2 

Insert a suitable disc for the size of the image to be burned into your CD or

DVD writer. The size of the ISO file tells you the minimum disc size you'll

need. As we're burning a Ubuntu 9.10 disc, we'll use a CD-R, as the ISO file is

698MB.

The Image Burning Setup window will appear. You'll need to select the ISO

image, so browse to the folder or drive where it's located.

3 

Now click the Properties button. You can alter the burning speed here, but it's

advisable to choose a speed less than the maximum rated speed of your disc only

if you find there are errors when you burn the disc. You can choose to leave

the disc open - so that more files can be added later - but as we're leaving

just 3.9MB of free space, there's no point in this example. If your CD or DVD

writer supports a 'burnproof' mode (which most do), ensure that this box is

ticked. Finally, click the Close button.

4 

All that's left to do is click the Burn button. Brasero will display a progress

bar telling you how long is left and what is being written to the disc. When

the disc is burned, it should automatically eject from the drive, unless you

unticked that option.

It's a good idea to write on the disc so you remember what's on it, but it's now

ready to use. In this case, the disc is bootable, so it can be popped into the

drive of the computer on which we want to install Ubuntu. If you do the same

but find the computer doesn't boot from the CD, you may need to enter your PC's

BIOS to change the order of boot devices, making sure the CD or DVD drive is the

first, or at least comes before the hard disk.

How to... 

Burn a data disc 

1 

Choose the type of disc you want to write to from the list at the bottom of the

screen, next to the Burn button. By default you'll create a 7.9GB DVD. You can

choose to make 

[AI] linux questions

[Sanjay]

Friends,
I am planning to shift from windows to linux.  I would like to know The 
difference between ubuntu and vinux.  Which  one is a best alternative for me.  
Does it support any email client?  and, how far its spreadsheet and word 
processors are accessible from a blind person's perspectives?  .


 thanks


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[AI] security expert

[Sanjay]

Online criminals are after one thing: your money. Rather than trying to hack

your computer to steal private details, many opt for the easier route of

tricking you into divulging information or falling for scams. In this month's

Security Expert, we'll look at how cyber-criminals try to trick you, and how you

can spot a phishing website.

Simon edwards 

Expert on security 



Outsmarting phishing websites 

Attempts to steal personal data by phishing are becoming ever more prevalent.

Simon Edwards shows you how to stop them

Online criminals will use every trick in the book to steal as much personal

information as possible. They're capable of sophisticated attacks using

cutting-edge technology, but they're not above simply lying if there's a chance

you'll hand over your username and password. Combine some standard manipulation

with a bit of technical wizardry, and an attack can be devastating. There's a

special name for this type of con: phishing. This kind of attack is designed to

trick as many people as possible into sending criminals their details.

There are two stages to a typical phishing attack. First, you'll be asked to

log into a website. The attackers will use a number of ruses to tempt you to do

this. When you click on the link, you'll see what appears to be a genuine

website, possibly belonging to your bank, auction service or a charity. The

second part of the attack occurs when you enter your username and password into

the site. Because it's a fake site run by criminals, it won't log you into the

service you expect. Instead, it will store your username and password. If the

site is pretending to be a bank, the hackers not only know that you use this

particular bank but they'll also have your login details. Some fake sites may

try to log you into the real service after they have stolen your details, so

you're none the wiser.

Once your details have been stolen, the criminals may use them to try to access

your web-based account directly or they may add your information to a file that

is then sold to other criminals.

baiting the hook 

Invitations to a fake site can appear in many guises. Spam emails often contain

links to phishing sites. Messages that appear on social networking sites may

include harmful links. Fake charity websites will steal your money more

directly than we've described above. You can even receive phishing links when

you use internet messaging, or as a text message on your mobile.

Most of the time, you'll find phishing links in spam emails. These can be

targeted, being sent only to people who are known to use a particular bank, or

sent out randomly. Our example (see the screen, left) arrived in our special

email account - designed to catch viruses and other threats - even though we

don't have a NatWest bank account.

gone phishing 

If you click on a phishing link, your web browser will load a site that looks

like a legitimate web page. In our example, an email claimed that Lloyds TSB,

which was on the verge of merging with HBOS, had redesigned its site and

requested that users log in to check that its online banking service was working

properly. If it wasn't (which was to be expected, because it's a fake site),

users were told they should try later.

Figure 1 above shows the site as it would have appeared to anybody who clicked

on the link in the email. Note how accurate the page looks, complete with

company logos and even some small print at the bottom. The criminal has

probably copied these details from the real bank's site.

When the victim attempts to log on, they won't succeed because the criminal

wants to gather more information. The victim will be asked to enter their

security code word - see Figure 2 above for evidence of the sort of page you can

expect to see. Note the poor grammar (in red). Following the supply of this

information, the victim is told that they have been successful in registering

with the new system (see figure 3). Within seconds, the web page shown

disappears.

In its place, the fake website will load the genuine bank website (see figure

4), but the victim will find they're not logged in and must repeat the process

on the real website. They'll continue, not knowing they've handed their

security details to a criminal. They'll probably only realise they've been the

victim of a scam when money disappears from their account.

avoiding attacks 

To avoid becoming the victim of a phishing attack, remain vigilant. If you

receive a message asking you to update your account for a service to which you

don't subscribe, ignore it. The same goes for any orders you haven't placed,

and any contact from charity websites you don't use.

Use anti-phishing tools built into email programs such as Thunderbird.

Web-based systems such as Google Mail and Yahoo! Mail provide similar

protection. Be suspicious of any messages these services highlight. You should

also use the anti-phishing tools built into your web browser

[AI] advance projects

[Sanjay]

If you've just bought a new hard disk, there's a fairly good chance that you'll

want it to be your primary disk from which you boot. Whether that's because

your old disk is too slow or because it's failing, copying everything to your

new disk isn't as easy as it sounds. Fortunately, we're here to help with our

complete guide on how to transfer everything from an old disk to a new one.

David Ludlow 

Editor 

copying an old hard disk to a new one 

You don't need to reinstall Windows if you've installed a new hard disk. david

Ludlow shows you how to clone your old disk

On the face of it, copying an old hard disk to a new one should simply be a

matter of dragging files from one to the other. However, it's not that simple.

You'll face two problems doing it this way: Windows will lock some files and

won't let you copy them, and boot information won't be carried across.

To do it properly, you need disk-cloning software. This runs on a bootable CD

and lets you copy every aspect of one hard disk, including applications, files,

the operating system and boot information, to another disk. In this month's

Advanced Projects we'll show you how to do this with CloneZilla, which is

completely free.

CloneZilla allows you to copy one disk to another or one partition to another

disk. It can even expand a smaller disk to fill a larger one, so that you don't

have to create new partitions manually. No matter how you want to deal with

your new disk, though, we'll take you through the process step by step.

First, download CloneZilla from www.clonezilla.org/download/sourceforge. Click

the Stable (Debian-based) iso/zip and download the latest version of the .iso

file to your hard disk. You then need to write the .iso file to a blank CD.

You can use any disc-burning software for this. Windows 7 has native support

for .iso files; simply right-click on the file, select Open with, Windows Disc

Image Burner and click the Burn button.

If you're using an older operating system you can use the free CDBurnerXP (

http://cdburnerxp.se) application to burn your disc.

1 

Boot from the CloneZilla CD you created earlier and you'll get to choose the

resolution in which you want to run the software. Unless you're using a

particularly small screen or you're having other problems, the first menu option

(1,024x768) is the best.

When the main application starts, select English as your language. The next

screen will ask you to configure your keyboard, but it's best to leave the

default settings, so select Don't touch keymap. Select Start CloneZilla on the

next screen. In the next menu, select how you want to use the software. As we

want to copy one hard disk to another, choose device-device; the device-image

option makes a backup image of a hard disk. Select Expert on the next screen.

3 

To make a complete copy of a hard disk, select disk_to_local_disk; the other

options let you copy a hard disk to a hard disk on another computer, or just

copy one partition. On the next screen you'll need to select your source hard

disk. As we haven't changed anything yet, this will be the first hard disk in

your computer, listed as sda or hda. Check the displayed model number and

listed size of the disk to make sure you've chosen the right one. It's very

important to do this, or you could lose all your data.

The next screen shows the available source hard disks; if you have only two

disks in your computer, your new hard disk will be the only one shown. Make

sure you make the right selection if you have multiple hard disks and press

Enter. Press Enter again.

4 

You'll now see a list of the Expert options you can select. If you'd like to

use just your new hard disk, select 'Resize the filesystem to fit partition size

of target partition'. This will expand your old disk to fit your new one. If

you leave this option blank, your old hard disk will be copied to a partition of

the same size on your new hard disk; to use any extra space, you'll have to

create a new partition in Windows. Select 'Use the partition table from the

source disk' on the next menu to start the copy procedure. Press Enter to

continue.

5 

CloneZilla will now check your hard disks and ask if you want to continue. Type

Y and press Enter. Type Y and press Enter, again to confirm the second warning.

Finally, type Y and press Enter to confirm that you want to copy the boot sector

of your hard disk (if you don't, you'll be unable to boot from your new hard

disk). Finally, type Y and press Enter again to confirm that you want to clone

your hard disk.

6 

CloneZilla will now copy your old hard disk to your new one, which can take

anything from around 20 minutes to a couple of hours. When it's finished, press

Enter to continue. Press 1 to reboot your computer, remove the CD when it's

ejected and press Enter to confirm.

choosing the Boot PRioRitY 

To boot from your new hard disk you need to make sure it's the first boot disk.

There are two 

[AI] rebate on income tax in case of dependent disability

[Sandeep Gautam]

Dear AI list,
if a person is taking rebate of 1 lakh on self disability.
can he take rebate of 1 lakh more in case of dependent disability on his income?
what are the legal provisions about it?
is there any circular available to us regarding this?

my question is to all intellectual persons around in general and legal experts 
like, Kanchan madam in particular.

waiting for reply

Regard
Sandeep G
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[AI] additional thoughts on mobility

[Jean Parker]

Further to my previous posting, here are some other things to consider.

Many of you know that my work requires a lot of travel both inside India and to 
other parts of the world.  The fact is that I could not do my job if I lived in 
North America.  Why?  Because there is inadequate transport and I don't drive.  
America is a country in love with its cars and the transport infrastructure 
reflects this.  Even in the largest cities on the east coast it would be 
difficult or impossible to do the kind of work I do because there is inadequate 
transport.  

America is set up for people who drive.  India on the other hand, is set up for 
people who don't drive.  Even with the increase in the amount of vehicles on 
the roads today, the infrastructure of trains, buses and rickshaws remains 
intact.  There is a culture of public transport.  Everyone uses it except the 
very wealthy.  In America most people who use public transport are the poor and 
those who have lost their driving license because of drunk driving.  Although 
in cities like New York, Boston and Washington this is not as much the case, 
there is no arguing the fact that America is geared to those who drive.

So what does that mean in a practical sense?  In America where a blind person 
can live is limited by the availability of public transport unless they make a 
choice to ask others for rides all the time.  It means a blind person's work 
location is also limited by the availability of transport unless he wants to 
depend on co-workers or taxis which are extremely expensive.  It also means 
that a blind person's social life is limited by these same factors unless he is 
accompanied by a sighted friend or relative.  In most places in the US, using 
public transportation is not a viable option if one is seeking equality in the 
ability to move about in society.

When a blind person in the west encounters some blind person from India or 
another developing country and that person has an assistant with them, some 
look upon this with scorn.  They observe that the blind person allows the 
assistant to make decisions for them and is not in control of how the assistant 
actually empowers that blind person to do his job more effectively.  But others 
look upon this with curiosity and some envy.  In America, one can not choose 
whether or not to travel with an assistant.  There are none.  One either does 
the thing himself or it doesn't get done at all.

One advantage we have here is that we can choose whether or not to seek 
assistance and we can govern how that assistance is utilized.  We can be very 
creative about this.  Having a personal assistant is part of the culture.  It 
is not at all considered unusual to have one so if you're blind, you can have 
your driver or your assistant and it's considered normal.  Not so in America. 

If we choose to use it, we have a lot of autonomy here that is not available in 
the west.  If I have an appointment ten kilometers away for example and I 
either need or want to go there by myself, in India I go outside my building 
and get a rickshaw and go there.  In America I have two choices depending on 
where the appointment is.  I might be able to take several buses in which case 
I would have to plan ahead, figure out the schedules, find out if the bus goes 
anywhere close to the place I want to go, and perhaps spend several hours 
getting there and back.  Or, I can get a taxi which would cost an enormous 
amount of money.  Neither choice leads to equality.  People ask me all the time 
why I have remained in India as long as I have.  One of the biggest reasons is 
transport.

There are also significant disadvantages in India that we all know about and 
there is no need to reiterate them here, perhaps the biggest exclusionary 
factor we all face is social exclusion and paternalism.  This is probably the 
root cause of most of the difficulties of blind people.  In America, things are 
in general but not always more advanced in this department.

There are many other things that are more convenient here that are again, 
beyond the scope of this list.  All I want to say is that the matter is not as 
simple as it appears. 

Jean
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Re: [AI] an info and congrats to civil surgeon jalaja kumari

[Amrit Pal]

Congratulations from me, too.
- Original Message - 
From: "namdeo2000" 

To: ; 
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] an info and congrats to civil surgeon jalaja kumari


This really is a great news for everyone on the list. To reach to the post
of Civil Surgeon is a great achievement. We would be happy if you could make
available a short résumé of hers.

Also mention the status of her blindness total or partial.Congratulations
from the entire Sayeverything Group.
- Original Message - 
From: "raghuraman kalyanaraman" 

To: "accessindia" 
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:49 PM
Subject: [AI] an info and congrats to civil surgeon jalaja kumari



friends i am happy to inform you all that our friend dr jalaja kumari
has been promoted to civil surgeon today
i wish her all success in her career and pray the almighty to shower
his grace and love on her and her familly

--
cheers raghu

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Re: [AI] independence and mobility

[mahendra]

i fully support views of Jeen, mainthing is we decide when and how to 
do things on our own.


 At 08:54 AM 9/27/2010, you wrote:

All:

Being independent in one's mobility does not mean never utilizing 
the assistance of others.  Actually, it means quite the 
opposite.  To be independently mobile, one uses one's mobility 
skills which might include, cane, listening, asking for and using 
information about one's location, having back-up plans in case the 
first plan doesn't work, employing strategies to get where you want 
to go and, at times, requesting and receiving assistance from 
others.  The thing that makes you independent is that you make the 
decisions about where you will go, when you will go, who else will 
go, what you will do when you get there, and how you will get 
there.  It doesn't mean, nor has it ever meant, never asking for 
assistance from others.
It does mean gauging one's environment based on what you know about 
it and employing the mobility skills and available assistance that 
best fits the situation.  But the key is that YOU decide, no one 
else decides for you.


It might interest you to know that while blind people in the United 
States often pride themselves on using good cane technique and 
navigating to unknown locations "by themselves,"  this does not mean 
not asking for and receiving assistance.  The environment there is 
much different than it is here.  You should also know, that many 
blind people in the United States find themselves in the difficult 
situation of attending large events and having no assistance 
available to them at times when they really need it.  This is both a 
practical issue and a cultural one.  It asks the question of how 
each person defines independence and how do they implement their 
beliefs in everyday life.  It also raises the question of how we 
judge each other's mobility skills and/or preferences.  This is an 
ongoing debate among blind people which will probably not be 
completed in any of our lifetimes.


We can not always apply the mobility strategies used in the west 
here in India or in most other developing countries.  But we can 
adapt much of the philosophy that has emerged in the west and adjust 
the techniques to meet our individual needs.


Finally, having traveled widely in many parts of the world, the 
strategies I use to get where I want to go are always flexible as to 
the environment, language, time of day, culture and a million other 
factors that are beyond the scope of this list.  The strategies I 
use in India are often different than the one's I use in America or 
Europe but the end result is that I still get where I want to go and 
I am in control of the process.


Jean

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with warm regards
   Mahendra Galani
window's live ID mahendragal...@hotmail.com   skype ID chintu3886
phone +4314943149 mobile +4369910366055,
address Herbst strasse 101.16.1 Vienna Austria Europe
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[AI] Announcement of a competitive skill test in computer applications to win a computer with screen reading software

[sachu ramalingam]

*All India Confederation of the Blind*

*(Best National NGO Award Winner)*

*Affiliated to  WORLD BLIND UNION***

Braille Bhawan (Behind Rajiv Gandhi Cancer

 Hospital, Sector-5. Rohini, Delhi - 110085 (INDIA)

*Phone: 011-27054082   E-mail:
aicbde...@yahoo.com*

*Telefax: 011-27050915  website:
www.aicb.org.in*



Dated: 27.09.2010



*NOTICE*



All India Confederation of the Blind, invites applications in the prescribed
performa (copy enclosed) from deserving visually impaired female
college/university going students from the country except States and Union
Territories falling in South India and Maharashtra, Goa, Daman and Diu to
avail a chance to win a computer with screen reading software through a
competitive skill test in computer applications that would be held at the
AICB head quarters in Rohini. 20 visually impaired girls will be provided
computers with screen readers. The Scheme is being sponsored by Marge
Schulze Foundation, Germany.  The purpose of the competitive skill test is
to identify skilled female college going students who can work on computer
without any difficulty and for whom computer can prove to be a great help in
their educational empowerment.



The applicants must enclose a copy of the following documents with the
application format:

·   latest mark sheet,

·   Id card copy of the college / university they are studying in

·   Certificate of completion of a computer course in basic computer
application

·   Medical certificate of blindness

·   A passport size photograph



The last date for receiving duly filled application is 31st October, 2010
and no application thereafter shall be entertained.


Short listed candidates would be called for a competitive skill test.

Please find the application below:








*APPLICATION FORM  *

* *

To



The Secretary General,

All India Confederation of the Blind,

Sector-5, Rohini,

Delhi-110085



*Sub:- Marga Schulze  Foundation’s  Scheme for  grant of  Computers with
screen readers to visually impaired girl-students*



Sir,



I have come to know through AICB’s letter dated  27.9.2010 that your
Confederation can assist me by providing a computer and screen reader.  I am
very much interested to avail of this useful gift for promotion of my
educational opportunities.   My particulars are as under:-



1) Name in full:



2) Father’s /husband’s Name:



3) Complete postal Address:



4) Mobile or Landline Number:



5) Email ID, if any:



6) Age:



7) Last Examination passed:





   5)  Name of present Course of Studies:



 6) Recipient of Marga Schulze Merit Scholarship: from the year………..… to
…..





7) Training in computer received from:







8) Period of computer training:  From………  to……



9) Computer languages known:

a) 

b) 

c) 

d) 

10) Why computer is essential   for me?













I hope and trust that my application will receive favourable consideration
from your end.  I enclose herewith the following *attested copies* of
documents for necessary action.



   1. Latest mark sheet,
   2. Id card copy of the college / university I am studying in
   3. Certificate of completion of a computer course in basic computer
   application
   4. Blindness certificate
   5. Passport size photograph



Yours faithfully,





(Signature of the applicant)





Date:   Name & Complete address with
Telephone number:



..



..



..



Certified that Miss……….. is a bonafide student of this
college/university and is presently studying in …….









(Signature of
the Principal with office seal)

Date:





 Sachu

 --
Sachu Ramalingam
Chairperson, National Women's Forum,
Secretary, AICB
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[AI] independence and mobility

[Jean Parker]

All:

Being independent in one's mobility does not mean never utilizing the 
assistance of others.  Actually, it means quite the opposite.  To be 
independently mobile, one uses one's mobility skills which might include, cane, 
listening, asking for and using information about one's location, having 
back-up plans in case the first plan doesn't work, employing strategies to get 
where you want to go and, at times, requesting and receiving assistance from 
others.  The thing that makes you independent is that you make the decisions 
about where you will go, when you will go, who else will go, what you will do 
when you get there, and how you will get there.  It doesn't mean, nor has it 
ever meant, never asking for assistance from others.  
It does mean gauging one's environment based on what you know about it and 
employing the mobility skills and available assistance that best fits the 
situation.  But the key is that YOU decide, no one else decides for you.

It might interest you to know that while blind people in the United States 
often pride themselves on using good cane technique and navigating to unknown 
locations "by themselves,"  this does not mean not asking for and receiving 
assistance.  The environment there is much different than it is here.  You 
should also know, that many blind people in the United States find themselves 
in the difficult situation of attending large events and having no assistance 
available to them at times when they really need it.  This is both a practical 
issue and a cultural one.  It asks the question of how each person defines 
independence and how do they implement their beliefs in everyday life.  It also 
raises the question of how we judge each other's mobility skills and/or 
preferences.  This is an ongoing debate among blind people which will probably 
not be completed in any of our lifetimes.  

We can not always apply the mobility strategies used in the west here in India 
or in most other developing countries.  But we can adapt much of the philosophy 
that has emerged in the west and adjust the techniques to meet our individual 
needs.

Finally, having traveled widely in many parts of the world, the strategies I 
use to get where I want to go are always flexible as to the environment, 
language, time of day, culture and a million other factors that are beyond the 
scope of this list.  The strategies I use in India are often different than the 
one's I use in America or Europe but the end result is that I still get where I 
want to go and I am in control of the process.  

Jean
 
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Re: [AI] DRIVER ISSUES IN LINUX

[Kamal Verma]

Thanks for your response. After installing the same, I shall again approach 
you.


Kamal Verma
- Original Message - 
From: "Balaram" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] DRIVER ISSUES IN LINUX



Most of the drivers will be there.
However, you will have to go to system menu, administration, and hardware 
drivers and activate the drivers if one of the accessories are not working 
or you will have to install it manually.

You can get more support by becoming a member of the vinux Emailing list.

Regards,

P. Balaraman.








On 09/24/2010 11:24 AM, Kamal Verma wrote:

Hello Access Indian friends,

Before installing Vinux, I want to resolve the driver issues if any, in 
this OS. I request the Vinux users to help me in this regard. The system 
board, printer and other hardware I am using are almost of latest series.


Regards.

Kamal Verma
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Ph. (R) 0761-2420167,
Cell: +919893454462,
Skipe: KAMALJBP.

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Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

[Vamshi. G]

hi rajesh sir,

mobile partially sighted people, when blindfolded, may not meet your
challemge.  but i'm sure there are many totally blind people on this
very list who have the confidence and skills to do that.  i am talking
about those general independent skills.  and i agree with you on the
point that a white cane or guide dog can't make a blind person move
without any risk or inconvenience in a new environment.

Let me say that whatever i've said is in general and not in particular
to mr. Mahesh.

On 9/27/10, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
> I believe aisha, Vamshi  and others who are championing independent
> mobility in all circumstances particularly in the new surroundings, are
> partially sighted and not totally blind.
>
> While it is good to have mobility skills, I am afraid they would not enable
> a totally blind person to navigate all alone in all surroundings without
> undue risk.
>
> I challenge mobile partially sighted to blindfold themselves and come to
> Nagpur for BGFI convention in nagpur on october 2nd, and 3rd, reach the
> venue and we shall have a fruitful discussion on all issues.
>
> Rajesh
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of aisha sahani
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 8:27 AM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>
> I can sympathise with this gentalman, but I guess, his  boss was not
> wrong either.
>
> if you say that you are equally competent to go there, why is this all fuss?
>
> You have learned  to work  on computer with assistive technology
> because it was not possible for you to do it in general way.
>
> Do you think someone would have given you the job if you have asked
> them to provide a human operator to read your screen instead of you
> using the assistive technology?
>
> Similarly, you should have acquired the independent mobility skills in
> order to go there.
> Even i would have not sent you if I were the boss.
>
> I know, it was tuff luck, but  you can always count me in amongst your
> well wishers.
>
> Aisha sahani.
>
>
>
>
> On 9/27/10, Vamshi G  wrote:
>> Yes, I agree with Vasu and Geetha.  Being dependent is not a sin or crime,
>> but being independent is definitely an essential requirement when one goes
>> to a  new environment.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Vamshi G
>> M: +91 9949349497
>> R: +91 877 2243861
>> Skype: gvamshi81
>>
>> www.retinaindia.org
>> From darkness unto light
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
>> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu
>> Chakravarthula
>> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:36 AM
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Geetha Shamanna
>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>>
>> Why is not a problem, if someone do not have mobility skills? Yes,
>> saying is easy that someone can holh his hand, why should someone has
>> to invest time to hold him all the time? While we talk about equal
>> opportunities, when there is possibility, why not we should have
>> skills of independence?
>>
>> On 9/26/10, namdeo2000  wrote:
>>> I don't understand what you are talking. If he is not good at his
>>> mobility
>>> so what? Only because somebody will have to hold his hand  and guide him,
>> he
>>> should be deprived of this opportunity? Being not able to move about
>>> independently and to be an expert technocrat have no connection
>> whatsoever.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Geetha Shamanna" gee...@millernorbert.
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>>>
>>>
 Hi Mahesh,

 Please do not get me wrong for asking you these questions, but how
 independent are you? Do you travel to work and move around within the
 office
 on your own? Do you use a white cane? Do you travel independently
 outside
 Pune on your own, be it for official or private purposes?

 The impression colleagues at work have of us blind people is to a large
 extent dependent on the way we conduct ourselves. If a blind person
 requires
 assistance to move around within the office or to commute to work,
 colleagues will always assume that blind people are dependent. It is not
 their fault entirely; that blind person in their office might be the
 only
 blind person they have come across in their whole existence.

 Instead of going to the press and publicising this issue, what is
>> probably
 required here is for you to have a long and candid talk with your
>> superior
 and try and convince him that you are capable of looking after yourself
 during the US trip, and that you will not be excessively dependent on
 the
 colleagues traveling with you. You can also ask him to specifically list
 out
 his reservations; you can then  address them individually. If you have
 traveled 

Re: [AI] Regarding purchase of Net Book

[akhilesh]

Yeah. n210 has a very good keyboard. it comes only with windows 7
only. good go for it.


On 9/25/10, Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan  wrote:
> I am using a HP mini and it's really good. They managed to include
> regular laptop keyboard excluding page-up page-down home end insert
> and delete keys. I also like it's performence. I had to spend $299 at
> that time and it may be a bit cheepper now.
>
> Vetri.
>
> On 25/09/2010, Rishi Kewalramani  wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> I need to buy a Net book and needed your guidance for the same.
>> A few months back some were recommending  Samsung Net books since the
>> keyboard is good.
>> If my  memory serves me right it was Samsung N210.
>>
>> My budget is around 20k. Should i go   for Samsung N210 itself or has some
>> better model come out in Samsung?
>>
>> Looking forward  to all your kind guidance,
>> Regards,
>> Rishi.
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Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

[Shadab Husain]

Thanks Rajesh sir for your email.

People must understand that independence does not mean that a totally blind 
person can move around without the help of passers-by. Independence, in my 
opinion, rather means to shake off the bashfulness and needless fears which 
blindness brings with it.

Had I been in Mr Shah's place, I would have told my boss about my journeys 
without telling him about the risk I am exposed to and without telling him 
that I sometimes take assistance from people around.

Call me a disloyal employee if you wish. I try to be loyal to my work and 
not to any insensitive person.

I am curious to know that what role the Corporate Social Responsibility can 
play in this case. Shadab

There is enough light for one who wants to see.
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http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/
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http://shadablucknow.blogspot.com/2008/10/my-contributions-to-press.html#link
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- Original Message - 
From: "Asudani, Rajesh" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior


I believe aisha, Vamshi  and others who are championing independent 
mobility in all circumstances particularly in the new surroundings, are 
partially sighted and not totally blind.

While it is good to have mobility skills, I am afraid they would not enable 
a totally blind person to navigate all alone in all surroundings without 
undue risk.

I challenge mobile partially sighted to blindfold themselves and come to 
Nagpur for BGFI convention in nagpur on october 2nd, and 3rd, reach the 
venue and we shall have a fruitful discussion on all issues.

Rajesh

-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in 
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of aisha sahani
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 8:27 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior

I can sympathise with this gentalman, but I guess, his  boss was not
wrong either.

if you say that you are equally competent to go there, why is this all fuss?

You have learned  to work  on computer with assistive technology
because it was not possible for you to do it in general way.

Do you think someone would have given you the job if you have asked
them to provide a human operator to read your screen instead of you
using the assistive technology?

Similarly, you should have acquired the independent mobility skills in
order to go there.
Even i would have not sent you if I were the boss.

I know, it was tuff luck, but  you can always count me in amongst your
well wishers.

Aisha sahani.




On 9/27/10, Vamshi G  wrote:
> Yes, I agree with Vasu and Geetha.  Being dependent is not a sin or crime,
> but being independent is definitely an essential requirement when one goes
> to a  new environment.
>
>
> Regards,
> Vamshi G
> M: +91 9949349497
> R: +91 877 2243861
> Skype: gvamshi81
>
> www.retinaindia.org
> From darkness unto light
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
> [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu
> Chakravarthula
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:36 AM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in; Geetha Shamanna
> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>
> Why is not a problem, if someone do not have mobility skills? Yes,
> saying is easy that someone can holh his hand, why should someone has
> to invest time to hold him all the time? While we talk about equal
> opportunities, when there is possibility, why not we should have
> skills of independence?
>
> On 9/26/10, namdeo2000  wrote:
>> I don't understand what you are talking. If he is not good at his 
>> mobility
>> so what? Only because somebody will have to hold his hand  and guide him,
> he
>> should be deprived of this opportunity? Being not able to move about
>> independently and to be an expert technocrat have no connection
> whatsoever.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Geetha Shamanna" gee...@millernorbert.
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] behaviour of my superior
>>
>>
>>> Hi Mahesh,
>>>
>>> Please do not get me wrong for asking you these questions, but how
>>> independent are you? Do you travel to work and move around within the
>>> office
>>> on your own? Do you use a white cane? Do you travel independently 
>>> outside
>>> Pune on your own, be it for official or private purposes?
>>>
>>> The impression colleagues at work have of us blind people is to a large
>>> extent dependent on the way we conduct ourselves. If a blind person
>>> requires
>>> assistance to move around within the office or to commute to work,
>>> colleagues will always assume that blind people are dependent. It is not
>>> their fault entirely; that blind person in their office might be the 
>>> o