[AI] India VS England first test Live

[Satguru]

Hi all,

Some of you may enjoy listening to the live commentary of the first test match 
being played between India and England at Ahmedabad.
http://www.webcric.com/live_cricket_streaming_4.htm

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Re: [AI] need a skype on mobile phone

[Ravindra Jadhav]

high,
Mr. Surendra has sent the skype to me, at my email iD.
I download and installed in my mobile also.
But the problem come when I am going to creat the account because, I
forgot previous skype name and pasward. I try to give the new name and
new pasward but response is zero.
So friends, tell me how to creat the account and sign in?
I check the all options and try so many times to creat a new account.
But I am not successful in it.
Could you give some ideas about it?
Regards
Ravi

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> from your phone,
> you can visit this
>  or
> 
> On 11/14/12, Ravindra Jadhav  wrote:
>> Dear friends,
>> I want a skype on my mobile phone.
>> Could you tell me which website is better for downloading it?
>> Or could you send me on my email ID?
>> I am eagerly waiting it.
>> Regards
>> Ravi
>>
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Re: [AI] ssc vacancies in SSC

[mukesh jain]

hello,
recently, ssc has invited the application for the post of MTS (multi
tasking staff non technical)
you can visit directly at the url:
http://ssconline.nic.in/mainmenu2.php

after visiting this page click on the link click here on the screen
(don't know where exactly it is) but as per my screen reader it is at
the bottom.
after clicking on this link you should get the page to apply for part
i registration.

for the advertisement, you can visit the following URL of my dropbox.
this was downloaded from their official site.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/44657323/10.11.2013%20MTS%202013%20final.pdf

hope this is of some help.
thanks,
mukesh.

On 11/15/12, Renuka Warriar  wrote:
> Hello,
> I visitted the website of the Staff Selection commission,
> (www.ssc.nic.in) as per the instruction of the nabdelhi alerts.  But,
> though the website is opening, the contents cannot be read, since the
> screan reader (orca) in ubuntu, is not reading its contents.  Could
> anyone provide the details of latest multiple vacancies published on
> November 12th?
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Renuka.
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Re: [AI] jaws help

[Umesha Economics]

dear Sunil,
one small correction, the capslock key does not work automatically as jaws 
key in laptops. you have to configure it through jaws basics dialog.
what you said about jaws key is right. in addition: jaws key can be 
configured to capslock, scrolllock, extended insert, numpad insert, or both 
inserts through jaws configurations. then after, any key press involving 
that key will be considered as jaws key + the other keys you press along 
with. it is easier to change this assignment as per your hardware keypad 
layout and comfort once for all key commands instead of changing each and 
every key command assignment. that is why this difference. for a beginning 
desktop user, jaws key and insert are one and the same.


- Original Message - 
From: "sunil sangtani." 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, 15 November, 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] jaws help



yes,
the (insert) key and the (jaws key)  is the same terms, jaws key
works with some other key combination that gives extra
functionality to  the screen reader.
in desktops,  the insert key works as  the jaws key while in  laptops
those dont has numaric keypad, the (caps lock) key works as jaws key.

On 11/15/12, Rahul Bhatia  wrote:

Hello to all,
i want to know that what is difference between Jaws key and Insert key.?

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Re: [AI] Complications with writers

[Umesha Economics]

dear Kartik,
how can we write formulae? I need it very frequently. also happy to see that 
your board is flexible to accommodate both computer and a scribe 
simultaneously. can you give details of your board and exam?


Umesha

- Original Message - 
From: "Kartik Sawhney" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, 15 November, 2012 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Complications with writers



Hi Rahul,

You can, in fact, draw tables and write formulae, irrespective of what
nature they are in some way or the other. Even if you feel that the
formula that you're trying to write cannot be produced on a computer
any how (which is indeed very rare), you can simply create a
convention for yourself, and put a note to that effect. I've been
using screen readers to take all my exams including Math. I do
understand that diagrams cannot be drawn on the computer. But, what
you can do is ask your writer to draw only the diagrams for you and
attach it to the hardcopy of your answersheet. This is what I propose
to do in my Board exams next year.

Regarding the scribe, I quite agree with Ajay.

Regards,

On 11/14/12, Ajay Minocha  wrote:

Hi Rahul,
Because of learning jaws too late, I too don't feel confident enough
to aproach my college/ university to allow me to use screen readers
and computers in exams. Though I can type without any problem but
accountancy, economics, Mathematics, statistics were among some of
those subjects about which I didn't find any practical sollution. So I
preffer those writers who are good at spellings and vocabulary. I have
a very symple logic and that is, In this world, not every person has a
very sparkeling handwriting. But still if they are competent enough to
pass their own exams with flying colours then, I can also trust them.
And believe me this aproach has not let me down till now.
regards

On 11/14/12, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:

Hi Vamshi Sir,

As always, I appreciate your help.
The only reason why I am holding back as far as asking for permission
for solving exams with a screen reader is concerned is because I have
subjects like logic and economics in the first 2 years.
These subjects require you to draw tables, graphs, write formulae in a
certain manner,  etc.
Do you think they will be willing to allow me to write theoretical
papers on the computer and others with a writer?




On 13/11/2012, mukesh jain  wrote:

hello sir,
good suggestion. but if my exams are at  near dates and if university
is not ready/prepare  to allow this facility then what should be the
step.

i have approached my university of scdl so many times to provide
screen reader facility to give my examination independently as the
mode of examination is already in online form. but then too they are
not ready to consider this request. do we have to keep approaching
judiciaries always for each and every requirements?
thanks,
mukesh.

On 11/13/12, Vamshi. G  wrote:

HI Rahul,

First of all, I suggest you contemplate using computer for writing the
exam.  As you would be aware, Amar Jain from Mumbai has successfully
done it for law graduation.

coming to suggestions for a writer, I would prefer one who writes
correct spellings, even if the hand writing is not the best.  I would
give my own example for this.  I had just enough vision to write exams
till my post graduation.  But I had one of the worst hand writings.
Yet I could score reasonably good marks.  And with law being your
subject, you would have a few complicated spellings to dictate in
spite of the writers spelling knowledge.  So, you wouldn't want to
dictate too many of them.  Would you?


On 11/13/12, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:

Hi all,

 I  hope you all are well and are having a wonderful Diwali.
As you might be aware, I am a law student and am currently in my 
first

year.

So, I'm having some trouble in  deciding a writer for my first sem
exams.
There are 2 people amongst whom I have to choose.
One of them is a CA student and seems to be fairly  okay, but her
handwriting isn't very clear.
The other person's handwriting is better, but she makes a lot of
spelling mistakes while writing and it's not feasible or possible for
me to dictate each and every tough spelling.

So, I would really like to hear what you all have to say about this
because many of you are far more experienced about these things than 
I

am.
There's One more area where I require your valuable suggestions.
I have often noticed that writers sometimes do not write the exact
words that I tell them and sometimes write a similar-sounding word
without thinking that that word just doesn't fit into that sentence
or just scribble something illegible or miss some words altogether.
I do realise that it is only human and normal to make mistakes, but I
would still like to know your views about what I can do better to
reduce such mistakes.

Any other suggestions about time management while solving exams with 
a

writer, etc would be deeply appreciated.

Best,
Rahul


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Re: [AI] Complications with writers

[Kartik Sawhney]

Hi,

It actually depends what sort of formulae you want to write. For
instance, if I talk about the formulae that I deal with (in Physics,
Chemistry and Math), most of them can simply be written the same way
as any other text. Wherever I find that the formulae cannot be written
this way, I write it in an alternate manner and then, write a note
stating that the particular alternate symbol that I've used implies
the otherwise actual symbol.

For instance, consider this simplest illustration. Consider two finite
sets having four elements each. If I am to find the arithmetic mean of
the intersection of the two elements, I will simply write it as:

Let the two sets be A and B

To find the mean of the intersection of sets A and B

Let set C=A i B where i denotes intersection
Arithmetic mean=mean of elements in set C

Note that this usually works in most cases. I've also been able to
manage calculus (both differential and integral), vector algebra,
among other topics this way.

I'm sorry I'm not particularly sure of the content beyond class XII
Math and Science, and can't really give you a very detailed picture.
BTW, there are also software packages such as Latex etc. that can
enable you to achieve this.

I'm talking about the Central Board of Secondary Education (CBSE), and
I will be taking the All India Senior School Certificate Examination
(AISSCE) (class XII Board Examinations) next year.

Regards,


On 11/15/12, Umesha Economics  wrote:
> dear Kartik,
> how can we write formulae? I need it very frequently. also happy to see that
>
> your board is flexible to accommodate both computer and a scribe
> simultaneously. can you give details of your board and exam?
>
> Umesha
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kartik Sawhney" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, 15 November, 2012 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Complications with writers
>
>
>> Hi Rahul,
>>
>> You can, in fact, draw tables and write formulae, irrespective of what
>> nature they are in some way or the other. Even if you feel that the
>> formula that you're trying to write cannot be produced on a computer
>> any how (which is indeed very rare), you can simply create a
>> convention for yourself, and put a note to that effect. I've been
>> using screen readers to take all my exams including Math. I do
>> understand that diagrams cannot be drawn on the computer. But, what
>> you can do is ask your writer to draw only the diagrams for you and
>> attach it to the hardcopy of your answersheet. This is what I propose
>> to do in my Board exams next year.
>>
>> Regarding the scribe, I quite agree with Ajay.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> On 11/14/12, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
>>> Hi Rahul,
>>> Because of learning jaws too late, I too don't feel confident enough
>>> to aproach my college/ university to allow me to use screen readers
>>> and computers in exams. Though I can type without any problem but
>>> accountancy, economics, Mathematics, statistics were among some of
>>> those subjects about which I didn't find any practical sollution. So I
>>> preffer those writers who are good at spellings and vocabulary. I have
>>> a very symple logic and that is, In this world, not every person has a
>>> very sparkeling handwriting. But still if they are competent enough to
>>> pass their own exams with flying colours then, I can also trust them.
>>> And believe me this aproach has not let me down till now.
>>> regards
>>>
>>> On 11/14/12, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
 Hi Vamshi Sir,

 As always, I appreciate your help.
 The only reason why I am holding back as far as asking for permission
 for solving exams with a screen reader is concerned is because I have
 subjects like logic and economics in the first 2 years.
 These subjects require you to draw tables, graphs, write formulae in a
 certain manner,  etc.
 Do you think they will be willing to allow me to write theoretical
 papers on the computer and others with a writer?




 On 13/11/2012, mukesh jain  wrote:
> hello sir,
> good suggestion. but if my exams are at  near dates and if university
> is not ready/prepare  to allow this facility then what should be the
> step.
>
> i have approached my university of scdl so many times to provide
> screen reader facility to give my examination independently as the
> mode of examination is already in online form. but then too they are
> not ready to consider this request. do we have to keep approaching
> judiciaries always for each and every requirements?
> thanks,
> mukesh.
>
> On 11/13/12, Vamshi. G  wrote:
>> HI Rahul,
>>
>> First of all, I suggest you contemplate using computer for writing
>> the
>> exam.  As you would be aware, Amar Jain from Mumbai has successfully
>> done it for law graduation.
>>
>> coming to suggestions for a writer, I would prefer one who writes
>> correct spellings, even if the hand writing is not the best.  I would
>>

[AI] Require subscription details of NVDA related mailing lists

[Sameer]

Dear Friends,

I am seeking details of any mailing lists that are dedicated to discussions 
regarding NVDA problems & updates. In case anybody has the subscription details 
of any such mailing lists, kindly  provide me with them.

Thanking all in advance for any & all assistance.

Regards
Mr. Sameer Latey
Mumbai, India
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Re: [AI] Complications with writers

[Pranav Lal]

Dear all,

May I suggest you try to take practice tests on the computer? Try a term
exam or a class test. That should give you the confidence to do these exams
independently. You will not get the confidence to take exams independently
unless you take the plunge. If you have a home computer, try taking an exam
there with a timer. That is how I used to practice. 

Before you ask, I have taken both kinds of exams; I started by using writers
and then switched to the computer when I was in b-school.
Pranav


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[AI] Fw: CCPD notice regarding identification of jobs

[Pamnani]

does anyone know what happened on the 1st of November?
The next date?
Did the govt file any reply to the show cause notice?

Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate & Solicitor
9, Suleman Chambers,
Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.



- Original Message - 
From: "Vikas Kapoor" 

To: "Access India" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:25 PM
Subject: [AI] CCPD notice regarding identification of jobs



In the Court of the Chief Commissioner for Persons with Disabilities

Ministry of Social Justice & Empowerment f^^TeracTT c^tf 
fcffiFT/Department of Disability Affairs


Notice of Complaint to Show Cause & Hearing

CaseNo.859/1011/12-13

In the matter of:

Suo motu

Versus

Department of Disability Affairs

Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment

Through: the Secretary

Shastri Bhawan,

New Delhi-110001 
Respondent


Whereas Section 32 of the Persons with Disabilities (Equal Opportunities, 
Protection of Rights and Full Participation) Act, 1995 hereinafter 
referred to as the Act, provides as under: -


"Every appropriate Government shall (a) identify posts in the 
establishments which can be reserved for the persons with disability; (b) 
at periodical intervals not exceeding three years, review the list of 
posts identified and up-date the list taking into consideration the 
developments in technology".


2.  And whereas the list of identified posts for persons with 
disabilities under Section 32 of the said Act was last issued vide 
Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment's Notification Nos. 
16-70/2004-DD-lll dated 18.01.2007 for Group A and B and dated 15.03.2007 
for Group C and D respectively;


3.  And whereas going by the mandate of Section 32 of the said 
Act, issuance of a revised/updated list of identified posts in Group A and 
B fell due on 17.01.2010 and in Group C and Don 14.03.2010;


4.  And whereas more than two-and-a-half years have elapsed since 
issuance of said notification of identified posts fell due;


Dated: 17.09.2012 Dispatch No.

.2



5.  And whereas the Department of Disability Affairs, Ministry of 
Social Justice & Empowerment, Govt, of India, has not complied with the 
mandate of Section 32 of the said Act;


6.  And whereas Chief Commissioner for Persons with Disabilities 
vide letter No. 9-10/CCD/2008 dated 11.07.2012 (copy enclosed) inter-alia 
suggested to the Department of Disability Affairs, Ministry of Social 
Justice and Empowerment, Govt, of India, that since the issuance of 
notification of revised/updated list of identified posts under Section 32 
of the Act is long over due, it should be notified within one month from 
the date of the said letter;


7.  And whereas the Department of Disability Affairs, Ministry of 
Social Justice & Empowerment, Govt, of India, neither complied with the 
advice of the Chief Commissioner nor did they respond to the Chief 
Commissioner's letter dated 11.07.2012;


8.  And whereas the Chief Commissioner was constrained to issue a 
reminder vide letter No.9-10/CCD/2008 dated 29.08.2012 reminding the said 
Department to issue/notify the list of identified posts in compliance with 
Section 32 of the Act giving the said Department further 15 days time for 
this purpose;


9.  And whereas the Department of Disability Affairs, Ministry of 
Social Justice & Empowerment, Govt, of India, while responding to the 
Chief Commissioner's letter No. 9-10/CCD/2008 dated 29.08.2012 have not 
given any definitive time frame within which the notification of 
revised/updated list of identified posts will be issued in compliance with 
the mandate of Section 32 of the Act;


10.And whereas as per Section 59 of the Act, Chief Commissioner 
may of his own motion or on the application of any aggrieved person or 
otherwise look into complaints with respect to matters relating to 
non-implementation of laws, rules, bye-laws, regulations, executive 
orders, guidelines or instructions made or issued by the appropriate 
Governments and the local authorities for the welfare and protection of 
rights of persons with disabilities and take up the matter with the 
appropriate authorities;


11.And whereas Section 63 of the said Act says as under:-

(1) The Chief Commissioner and the Commissioners shall, for the purpose of 
discharging their functions under this Act, have the same powers as are 
vested in a court under the Code of Civil Procedure, 1908 while trying a 
suit, in respect of the following matters, namely :-


(a)  summoning and enforcing the attendance of witnesses;

(b)  requiring the discovery and production of any document;

(c)   requisitioning any public record or copy thereof from any court or 
office;


(d)  receiving evidence on affidavits; and

(e)  issuing commissions for the examination of witnesses or documents.

3...



(2) Every proceeding before the Chief Commissioner and Commissioners shall 
be a judicial proceeding within the meaning of secti

[AI] Fw: CCPD notice regarding framing of policy for providing scribesto blind students and candidates for employment

[Pamnani]

Any idea what happened on 2nd November?
Any other information?

Kanchan Pamnani
Advocate & Solicitor
9, Suleman Chambers,
Battery Street, Colaba,
Mumbai - 400 039.



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From: "Vikas Kapoor" 

To: "Access India" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 5:22 PM
Subject: [AI] CCPD notice regarding framing of policy for providing 
scribesto blind students and candidates for employment



Ministry of Social Justice & Empowerment f^^TeracTT c^tf 
fcffiFT/Department of Disability Affairs


Notice of Complaint to Show Cause & Hearing

Case No. 3929/2007 
Dated: 21.09.2012


In the matter of:

Shri Gopal Sisodia

General Secretary

Indian Association of the Blind

154/C, Delhi Administration Flats

Sindhoran Kalan, Delhi-110052 
Complainant


Versus

Ministry of Social Justice & Empowerment Department of Disability Affairs 
Government of India Through Secretary Shastri Bhawan, New Delhi


Case No.65/1041/12-13

In the matter of:

Score Foundation

Through Shri George Abraham, CEO,

17/107, LGF, Vikram Vihar,

Lajpat Nagar-4,

New Delhi-110024

Versus

Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment Department of Disability 
Affairs Government of India Through Secretary Shastri Bhawan, New Delhi


Respondent

Complainant

Respondent

...2.



Whereas the above named complainant filed a complaint dated 13.05.2007 
(copy enclosed) under the Persons with Disabilities (Equal Opportunities, 
Protection of Rights and Full Participation) Act, 1995, hereinafter 
referred to as the 'Act', regarding issuance of Comprehensive policy for 
conduct of written examinations for persons with disabilities;


2. And whereas vide letter dated 31.07.2012 (copy enclosed) a 
complaint dated 06.06.2012 (Case No.65/1041/12-13) received from Score 
Foundation was also forwarded to the Department of Disability Affairs with 
the request to issue the guidelines within one month's time from the date 
of that letter incorporating the suggestions contained in the letter of 
Score Foundation dated 06.06.2012;


3. And whereas expressing his utter disappointment over inaction 
on the part of Department of Disability Affairs, Ministry of Social 
Justice and Empowerment, Govt, of India, in respect of the matter, Shri 
George Abraham of Score Foundation vide his said letter dated 06.06.2012 
had forwarded a set of uniform guidelines for conducting examinations 
(practical and/or theory) for persons with blindness and low vision which 
he claims have been put together by a group of non-governmental 
organisations and which according to him enjoy the support of over 70 
organisations across the country.


4. And whereas it is common knowledge & experience that persons 
with disabilities, including persons with blindness and persons with low 
vision continue to suffer untold hardship and irreparable loss in the 
absence of uniform guidelines/norms for conduct of all kinds of 
examinations including those relating to academics and recruitments;


5. And whereas different, dissimilar and sometimes unreasonable 
sets of guidelines/norms are followed by some Universities, Boards of 
Education, Central & State Public Service Commissions and other 
establishments etc.;


6. And whereas many establishment do not follow any 
guidelines/norms in respect of the examinations (both academic & 
recruitment related);;


7. And whereas this Court continues to receive any number of 
complaints every now and then, more particularly from persons with 
blindness and persons with low vision regarding denial of the facility of 
amanuensis/scribe as mandated under Section 31 of the said Act and/or 
grant of extra time to persons with disabilities during examinations;


8. And whereas more than 16 years have elapsed since the said Act 
has come into force in the whole of India except the State of Jammu & 
Kashmir;


9. And whereas this matter continues to hang fire with the 
erstwhile Disability Division, now Department of Disability Affairs, 
Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment, Govt, of India for a 
disproportionately long period of time despite explicit references made to 
it by this Court from time to time in the past;


3



10.   And whereas absence of uniform, fair & reasonable norms for 
conduct of examinations (both academic & recruitment related) for persons 
with disabilities not only runs counter to the letter & spirit of the said 
Act; but absence of such guidelines/norms is also against the established 
and recognised norms of propriety & natural justice;


11.   And whereas, now Department of Disability Affairs and erstwhile 
Disability Division, Ministry of Social Justice and Empowerment neither 
issued any guidelines/norms to all concerned nor did it even respond to 
the various communications that have been sent from this Court to it from 
time-to-time over the last four years or so except a very recent response 
to this Court's letter No.3929/2007 date

Re: [AI] Complications with writers

[Asudani, Rajesh]

Missing words at times is human, but not substituting them with other words.
You should sternly deal with such commissions and better not take such scribes.
Generally, intelligent girls do not commit such mistakes.


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:23 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Complications with writers

Hi all,

 I  hope you all are well and are having a wonderful Diwali.
As you might be aware, I am a law student and am currently in my first year.

So, I'm having some trouble in  deciding a writer for my first sem  exams.
There are 2 people amongst whom I have to choose.
One of them is a CA student and seems to be fairly  okay, but her
handwriting isn't very clear.
The other person's handwriting is better, but she makes a lot of
spelling mistakes while writing and it's not feasible or possible for
me to dictate each and every tough spelling.

So, I would really like to hear what you all have to say about this
because many of you are far more experienced about these things than I
am.
There's One more area where I require your valuable suggestions.
I have often noticed that writers sometimes do not write the exact
words that I tell them and sometimes write a similar-sounding word
without thinking that that word just doesn't fit into that sentence
or just scribble something illegible or miss some words altogether.
I do realise that it is only human and normal to make mistakes, but I
would still like to know your views about what I can do better to
reduce such mistakes.

Any other suggestions about time management while solving exams with a
writer, etc would be deeply appreciated.

Best,
Rahul


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Re: [AI] Complications with writers

[Asudani, Rajesh]

I do not think writing note about one symbol implying another is a sound idea.
If you can write them with computer using some software you should write, 
otherwise not.
I am not sure whether symbols of logic can be so written, though there must be 
some way of reproducing them on computer.

And, friends, do not so despair of writers, there have been and are some nice 
girls and guys who can write well and willingly so.


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Kartik Sawhney
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:22 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Complications with writers

Hi,

It actually depends what sort of formulae you want to write. For
instance, if I talk about the formulae that I deal with (in Physics,
Chemistry and Math), most of them can simply be written the same way
as any other text. Wherever I find that the formulae cannot be written
this way, I write it in an alternate manner and then, write a note
stating that the particular alternate symbol that I've used implies
the otherwise actual symbol.

For instance, consider this simplest illustration. Consider two finite
sets having four elements each. If I am to find the arithmetic mean of
the intersection of the two elements, I will simply write it as:

Let the two sets be A and B

To find the mean of the intersection of sets A and B

Let set C=A i B where i denotes intersection
Arithmetic mean=mean of elements in set C

Note that this usually works in most cases. I've also been able to
manage calculus (both differential and integral), vector algebra,
among other topics this way.

I'm sorry I'm not particularly sure of the content beyond class XII
Math and Science, and can't really give you a very detailed picture.
BTW, there are also software packages such as Latex etc. that can
enable you to achieve this.

I'm talking about the Central Board of Secondary Education (CBSE), and
I will be taking the All India Senior School Certificate Examination
(AISSCE) (class XII Board Examinations) next year.

Regards,


On 11/15/12, Umesha Economics  wrote:
> dear Kartik,
> how can we write formulae? I need it very frequently. also happy to see that
>
> your board is flexible to accommodate both computer and a scribe
> simultaneously. can you give details of your board and exam?
>
> Umesha
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kartik Sawhney" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, 15 November, 2012 11:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Complications with writers
>
>
>> Hi Rahul,
>>
>> You can, in fact, draw tables and write formulae, irrespective of what
>> nature they are in some way or the other. Even if you feel that the
>> formula that you're trying to write cannot be produced on a computer
>> any how (which is indeed very rare), you can simply create a
>> convention for yourself, and put a note to that effect. I've been
>> using screen readers to take all my exams including Math. I do
>> understand that diagrams cannot be drawn on the computer. But, what
>> you can do is ask your writer to draw only the diagrams for you and
>> attach it to the hardcopy of your answersheet. This is what I propose
>> to do in my Board exams next year.
>>
>> Regarding the scribe, I quite agree with Ajay.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> On 11/14/12, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
>>> Hi Rahul,
>>> Because of learning jaws too late, I too don't feel confident enough
>>> to aproach my college/ university to allow me to use screen readers
>>> and computers in exams. Though I can type without any problem but
>>> accountancy, economics, Mathematics, statistics were among some of
>>> those subjects about which I didn't find any practical sollution. So I
>>> preffer those writers who are good at spellings and vocabulary. I have
>>> a very symple logic and that is, In this world, not every person has a
>>> very sparkeling handwriting. But still if they are competent enough to
>>> pass their own exams with flying colours then, I can also trust them.
>>> And believe me this aproach has not let me down till now.
>>> regards
>>>
>>> On 11/14/12, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
 Hi Vamshi Sir,

 As always, I appreciate your help.
 The only reason why I am holding back as far as asking for permission
 for solving exams with a screen reader is concerned is because I have
 subjects like logic and economics in the first 2 years.
 These subjects require you to draw tables, graphs, write formulae in a
 certain manner,  etc.
 Do you think they will be willing to allow me to write theoretical
 papers on the computer and others with a writer?




 On 13/11/2012, mukesh jain  wrote:
> hello sir,
> good suggestion. but if my exams are at  near dates and if university
> is not ready/prepare  to allow this facility then what should be the
> step.
>
> i have approached my university of scdl so many times to provide
> screen reader facility to give my examination independent

Re: [AI] Complications with writers

[Kartik Sawhney]

Hello Sir,

Actually, the problem is that during public examinations (and also in
school examinations in my case), one is normally given a `scrubbed
laptop` simply having a word processor and nothing else. So, one
really can't use any software to reproduce symbols. Also, many of
these alternate ways of writing symbols that I am talking about are
approved by bodies that allow for the original symbols to be used. For
instance, in Organic Chemistry, there is branching in some molecules.
Since branching cannot be reproduced on a computer, the International
Union for Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC), which is mandated with
the responsibility of defining conventions and symbols, allows that
the group being branched being enclosed in parenthesis. Regarding
union, intersection and so forth, `u` is accepted generally. The only
concern that I sometimes have is what if the person checking the
answersheet does not read the note. But, I've not yet been able to
figure out a way to check this.

Regards,


On 11/16/12, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
> I do not think writing note about one symbol implying another is a sound
> idea.
> If you can write them with computer using some software you should write,
> otherwise not.
> I am not sure whether symbols of logic can be so written, though there must
> be some way of reproducing them on computer.
>
> And, friends, do not so despair of writers, there have been and are some
> nice girls and guys who can write well and willingly so.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Kartik Sawhney
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:22 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] Complications with writers
>
> Hi,
>
> It actually depends what sort of formulae you want to write. For
> instance, if I talk about the formulae that I deal with (in Physics,
> Chemistry and Math), most of them can simply be written the same way
> as any other text. Wherever I find that the formulae cannot be written
> this way, I write it in an alternate manner and then, write a note
> stating that the particular alternate symbol that I've used implies
> the otherwise actual symbol.
>
> For instance, consider this simplest illustration. Consider two finite
> sets having four elements each. If I am to find the arithmetic mean of
> the intersection of the two elements, I will simply write it as:
>
> Let the two sets be A and B
>
> To find the mean of the intersection of sets A and B
>
> Let set C=A i B where i denotes intersection
> Arithmetic mean=mean of elements in set C
>
> Note that this usually works in most cases. I've also been able to
> manage calculus (both differential and integral), vector algebra,
> among other topics this way.
>
> I'm sorry I'm not particularly sure of the content beyond class XII
> Math and Science, and can't really give you a very detailed picture.
> BTW, there are also software packages such as Latex etc. that can
> enable you to achieve this.
>
> I'm talking about the Central Board of Secondary Education (CBSE), and
> I will be taking the All India Senior School Certificate Examination
> (AISSCE) (class XII Board Examinations) next year.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> On 11/15/12, Umesha Economics  wrote:
>> dear Kartik,
>> how can we write formulae? I need it very frequently. also happy to see
>> that
>>
>> your board is flexible to accommodate both computer and a scribe
>> simultaneously. can you give details of your board and exam?
>>
>> Umesha
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kartik Sawhney" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, 15 November, 2012 11:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Complications with writers
>>
>>
>>> Hi Rahul,
>>>
>>> You can, in fact, draw tables and write formulae, irrespective of what
>>> nature they are in some way or the other. Even if you feel that the
>>> formula that you're trying to write cannot be produced on a computer
>>> any how (which is indeed very rare), you can simply create a
>>> convention for yourself, and put a note to that effect. I've been
>>> using screen readers to take all my exams including Math. I do
>>> understand that diagrams cannot be drawn on the computer. But, what
>>> you can do is ask your writer to draw only the diagrams for you and
>>> attach it to the hardcopy of your answersheet. This is what I propose
>>> to do in my Board exams next year.
>>>
>>> Regarding the scribe, I quite agree with Ajay.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> On 11/14/12, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
 Hi Rahul,
 Because of learning jaws too late, I too don't feel confident enough
 to aproach my college/ university to allow me to use screen readers
 and computers in exams. Though I can type without any problem but
 accountancy, economics, Mathematics, statistics were among some of
 those subjects about which I didn't find any practical sollution. So I
 preffer those writers who are good at spellings and vocabulary. I have
 a very symple logic and that is, In this w

Re: [AI] Announcing AccessIndia list for mobile devices

[Amiyo Biswas]

I have always preferred this list for all my queries. It is very difficult 
to read mails from two lists. Moreover, accessindia was some kind of 
cure-all for all problems for me.



With best Regards,
Amiyo Biswas
Cell: +91-9433464329

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From: "Umesha Economics" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Announcing AccessIndia list for mobile devices



hope the traffic of access India will be substantially reduced.

Umesha

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, 14 November, 2012 11:59 AM
Subject: [AI] Announcing AccessIndia list for mobile devices



Friends

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We thought it necessary to have a dedicated sister list of AccessIndia as 
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Re: [AI] Constitutional Protection and Safeguards to the persons with disabilities

[shaik sazid]

Hello dear srinivas I wuould like to appreciate efforts you had taken for the 
sake for the disabled comunity.  I request the organisations who are 
representing for State and central.  There will be no weight for a person 
voice.  If the comunity representatives try to hear their voice together with 
the comunity then it will have some good result.

Another thing I would like to share the efforts taken by srinivas is that he 
tried to educate the normal persons and he made the  government of Andhra 
Pradesh to add a lesson of Louie Braille in the class 8th of telugu text book.

Now the time came for us to raise our voice together.

--- On Sat, 10/11/12, srinivas.karnati  wrote:

From: srinivas.karnati 
Subject: [AI] Constitutional Protection and Safeguards to the persons with 
disabilities
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Date: Saturday, 10 November, 2012, 11:16 PM

Dear Friends: on behalf of the Development and Welfare Association of the Blind 
(Andhra Pradesh), on 5th November 2012 once again I have submitted a 
representation To His Excellency Shri Pranab Mukherjee Hon'ble President of 
India on sub: Right to equality for persons with disabilities - a proposal for 
constitutional Recognition - a humble submission for expeditious 
action-regarding: I am pasting it below for your kind information. Could you 
please examine the letter and submit the same   or with modifications to him 
and also to the following on be half of your respective organizations.

1. to the pry minister of India 

2. to all the ministers of council

3. to all the members of both houses of parliament 

4. The presidents and general secretaries of national and regional 
political   parties 

 Thanking you all.

k. srinivas

Secretary

DWAB Nalgonda AP.    

 

 

 



To

His Excellency Shri Pranab Mukherjee

Hon'ble President of India

 

Ref: 135/dwab/2012                                         Dated: 4th November 
2012 

 

Respected Sir,

 

Sub:     Right to equality for persons with disabilities - a proposal for 
constitutional 

Recognition - a humble submission for expeditious action-regarding:

 

We, on behalf of the Development and Welfare Association of the Blind (Andhra 
Pradesh), in consultation with several other organisations and like-minded 
individuals, hereby submit the following few lines for your kind enough 
consideration and request you with humility to do the needful in the direction 
of providing constitutional remedy to the historic injustice inflicted upon the 
citizens with disabilities in our land of rich heritage and culture of 
co-existence:

As his Excellency might be fully aware, nearly Three Crore Indians - 3% of our 
population - are officially counted as people suffering from various 
disabilities, visual-impairment, hearing-impairment and other locomotor 
disabilities in particular. Ironically enough, a large proportion of this 
population suffers gross negligence in the hands of our public institutions. It 
is now estimated that nearly Fifteen Million visually-impaired and around 
Sixty-four Million other disabled have been subjected to the cruelties of daily 
life, and almost all of them are living without basic amenities such as food, 
decent clothing, a shelter of their own and minimum education. At a time our 
policy echelons are busy ensuring human rights for other marginalised groups, 
SCs, STs and Women, here are the minuscule minority who live away in a shear 
silence a life that falls below the standards any civilisation can ever think 
of.

We hope his Excellency would agree with us in a candid admission that the 
socio-economic backwardness of persons with disabilities in our country stems 
from nowhere but our own constitution that fails to make any meaningful 
provision for the rights of this scattered community. While Articles 14, 15 and 
16 of the Constitution took extra-care to ensure the right of equality for all 
citizens in India, with enough safeguards for such marginalised sections as 
SCs, STs and OBCs through affirmative policy in education and employment, 
persons with disabilities have been conveniently forsaken in this thwarted war 
of vote-bank politics. Look at, for example, the speed with which Governments 
in the recent past have moved swiftly and brought about 27% reservation for 
OBCs in education and employment through the constitutional Amendment, and the 
same swiftness that can be seen in the present regime's attempt to provide 33% 
reservation for women through another
 Constitutional Amendment. Persons with disabilities at times really feel let 
down in the present political climate where every community with a sizeable 
Vote-bank and social capital is frequently showered with all policy 
concessions, whereas, persons with disabilities, who are a scattered minority 
at best (with very little advantage for commanding vote-bank manoeuvring in a 
given place), are never taken seriously by our majoritarian democracy. 
Consequently, the real concerns of this 

Re: [AI] quicker mathematics

[shaik sazid]

Hello dear friend I am interested to learn maths tricks.  Please tell how can I 
learn this.

regards,
sk. sazid

e--- On Thu, 15/11/12, Nirmal Verma  wrote:

From: Nirmal Verma 
Subject: [AI] quicker mathematics
To: "accessindia" 
Date: Thursday, 15 November, 2012, 2:58 PM

Dear Friends,

Those who are preparing for the competitive examination or studying in
schools and has interest in mathematics and want to learn to do it fast can
get in touch with me off the list.

regards

Nirmal
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Re: [AI] Bala bolka query

[Ekinath Khedekar]

Hi Mukesh,

You mean i have to separately install a voice. Can you give me direct
link for the same?


On 11/16/12, Ekinath Khedekar  wrote:
> Hi LIsters,
>
> I use BalaBolka for converting text in to voice mp3 file. However,
> this the female voice "merry" is not showing in options.
>
> Only bad quality sapy 4 and 5 are shown.
>
> What do i do
>
> pl. guide
> --
> “The waves breaking on the surface draw all the attention,
> but it is the current beneath the water that determines your direction.”
>


-- 
“The waves breaking on the surface draw all the attention,
but it is the current beneath the water that determines your direction.”

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Re: [AI] Bala bolka query

[mukesh jain]

hello,
initially, by default the voices are set to 50% rate both for pitch
and speed. so you have to modify the said rate as per the choice best
suit you.

to test these voices i simply create one small document and then have
it red with balabolka voices and select the rate wich catches my
attraction.

to check whether any particular voice has been installed on my
machine, i have one free tool called text to speech program  wich let
you know the voices output so that you can be sured about its
installation.

thanks,
mukesh.

On 11/16/12, mukesh jain  wrote:
> hello,
> please make sure that you have installed the required voice. i am
> using balabolka successfully with around 18 sapi4 and sapi5 voices on
> my machine including merry.
>
> thanks,
> mukesh.
>
> On 11/16/12, Ekinath Khedekar  wrote:
>> Hi LIsters,
>>
>> I use BalaBolka for converting text in to voice mp3 file. However,
>> this the female voice "merry" is not showing in options.
>>
>> Only bad quality sapy 4 and 5 are shown.
>>
>> What do i do
>>
>> pl. guide
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Re: [AI] Complications with writers

[Pranav Lal]

Hi Kartik,

As regards the note, try making it visually different from the rest of the
text. Put it in a different font or, bold the text.

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Re: [AI] Bala bolka query

[mukesh jain]

hello,
yes, you need to install the additional voices separately if its not
the part of the balabolka as i don't know what version of balabolka
you are using.

i will surely look for the link for merry and post the same as i have
downloaded long ago and have to pull out this link from my favorites
on my laptop.
thanks,
mukesh.

On 11/16/12, mukesh jain  wrote:
> hello,
> initially, by default the voices are set to 50% rate both for pitch
> and speed. so you have to modify the said rate as per the choice best
> suit you.
>
> to test these voices i simply create one small document and then have
> it red with balabolka voices and select the rate wich catches my
> attraction.
>
> to check whether any particular voice has been installed on my
> machine, i have one free tool called text to speech program  wich let
> you know the voices output so that you can be sured about its
> installation.
>
> thanks,
> mukesh.
>
> On 11/16/12, mukesh jain  wrote:
>> hello,
>> please make sure that you have installed the required voice. i am
>> using balabolka successfully with around 18 sapi4 and sapi5 voices on
>> my machine including merry.
>>
>> thanks,
>> mukesh.
>>
>> On 11/16/12, Ekinath Khedekar  wrote:
>>> Hi LIsters,
>>>
>>> I use BalaBolka for converting text in to voice mp3 file. However,
>>> this the female voice "merry" is not showing in options.
>>>
>>> Only bad quality sapy 4 and 5 are shown.
>>>
>>> What do i do
>>>
>>> pl. guide
>>> --
>>> “The waves breaking on the surface draw all the attention,
>>> but it is the current beneath the water that determines your direction.”
>>>
>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility
>>> of
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>>
>>
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>> "Face your deficiencies and acknowledge them; but do not let them
>> master you. Let them teach you patience, sweetness, insight. "
>>
>> Helen Keller
>>
>
>
> --
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> muk...@mukeshjain.org
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> master you. Let them teach you patience, sweetness, insight. "
>
> Helen Keller
>


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Re: [AI] quicker mathematics

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Sir,
I am also interested in learning tricks.
My email ID is
vinita.jajod...@gmail.com
Thanks

With Regards
Vinita


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Sent:  15/11/2012, 2:58  pm
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Subject: [AI] quicker mathematics


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[AI] Moderator: RE: kuldeepsingpi...@gmail.com has invited you to join ekmanch

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Re: [AI] quicker mathematics

[Kotian, H P]

Hi
This title is available at NAB Delhi library.
I guess it is full text and  audio in Daisy format.
Harish.


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Subject: Re: [AI] quicker mathematics

Sir,
I am also interested in learning tricks.
My email ID is
vinita.jajod...@gmail.com
Thanks

With Regards
Vinita


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Sent:  15/11/2012, 2:58  pm
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Subject: [AI] quicker mathematics


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