[AI] China: Man arrested for chopping off testicles of 3 patients

[avinash shahi]

What this news is hinting that the guy who did this act had not done
if he was not mentally disabled. Farce, isn't it...
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/china-man-arrested-for-chopping-off-testicles-of-3-patients/article1-1243950.aspx
A man used a blunt razor to chop off the testicles of three patients
at a Chinese nursing home, state media said Thursday.

The suspect, who has been arrested, castrated a 6-year-old mentally
disabled man and removed one testicle each from two bedridden patients
aged 53 and 80, the official Xinhua news agency said.

The man "tied up the three inpatients and removed their private parts
with a dull razor", Xinhua cited doctors and victims in northeast
China's Heilongjiang province as saying.

Xinhua cited a member of staff as saying that the suspect, in his 30s,
was mentally ill and housed at the home, but patients claimed he was
an employee.

Authorities in the area could not be reached for comment about the
attack, which happened on Tuesday.

Conditions in many Chinese homes for the elderly and disabled are
poor, with many establishments troubled by insufficient beds,  funding
and poor management.


-- 
Avinash Shahi
M.Phil Research Scholar
Centre for The Study of Law and Governance
Jawaharlal Nehru University
New Delhi India



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[AI] One-way stretch to help disabled

[avinash shahi]

NEW DELHI: The traffic police have planned to turn the stretch between
Andh Kanya Mahavidhyalaya to the tea point of Double Storey in New
Rajender Nagar opposite to Pamposh road into a one way stretch to
facilitate movement of visually disabled children in the area.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/City/Delhi/One-way-stretch-to-help-disabled/articleshow/38985219.cms
"We have considered the stretch to be vulnerable as a number of
visually impaired cross the road through the day, a two way road is
difficult for them to cross," said a senior police official. He added
that plans are also made to install auditory signals in the area.

Police said that though the college for visually impaired children is
located on Shankar road, students heading towards central Delhi need
to cross the road to avail buses. The visually impaired students and
residents face problem due to the heavy traffic on the road on the
road from Andh Kanya Vidhyalaya to the T-point of Double Storey area
New Rajender Nagar.

The cops are also planning to put up ripples near the crossing to slow
down the speed of vehicles. Police said that the regulation will be in
place 24 hours a day and signboards will be erected in the area
indicating the ordered restrictions, said traffic official.
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Re: [AI] e gyaan kosh

[Sandeep Gautam]

Hi,
In normal course, it is apparent that IGNOU designed egyankosh to facilitate 
its own students.
That's why first time registration is required with student's valid enrollment 
no. and course name.
But, personally, I feel If you want to access its study material for learning 
sake, you can contact some IGNOU student.
If you want more... e-mail to my personal id.

Sandeep
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Sent: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 16:22:42 +0530 (IST)
Subject: Re: [AI] e gyaan kosh

hello sandeep
If I am not a student of IGNOU, whether I donot access the study
material of e gyan kosh.

On 7/23/14, Sandeep Gautam  wrote:
> Dear,
>
> first of all, you need to register on egyankosh by your enrollment no.and
> course.
>
> And, you need to login with your user name and password, each time you want
> to download study material from the same site.
>
> Sandeep
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
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> Sent: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:16:23 +0530 (IST)
> Subject: [AI] e gyaan kosh
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> the books from ignou website? thanks in advance
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Re: [AI] what is uniCode and why screen reader work only for uniCode texts?

[Him Prasad Gautam]

hi,
What do you mean by font converter now?
I had already said that this word is meaning less.
If you want to change a font, go to the font dropdown box, select the
font of your choice and press enter.
If you want the character code transfer to Unicode, as I had explained
yesterday, some computer programmer must develop such converter which
I had explained very earlier.
First he/she must prepare the each code number of each alphabets of
each font in Ascii
 code and prepare the converter tool.
Only A sited person who recognizes all Kannada letters, numbers and
symbol of each traditional font can do it.
A VI person or outsider who does not know Kannada can not do it.
For this you need:
1. he/she must be a computer programer.
2. he/she must know Kannada letters written in Traditional and Unicode format.
3. he/she should not VI person. A vi person can not access traditional fonts.
4. he/she must do the work as I am doing. If no will to serve, no way!


On 7/25/14, Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi  wrote:
> sir, how to convert fonts? What are the steps to follow?
>
> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
>> hi,
>> Soft copy,  but about what?
>> What do you need?
>>
>>
>> On 7/24/14, Ganesh Babu  wrote:
>>> Dear sir,
>>> I forget to tell you, PL send me soft copy
>>>
>>> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
 Hi,
 There are some reasons:
 1. we are blind by eyes, they are blind by mind.
 2. In this world, a man quickly adopts bad things, but could not
 abandon
 it.
 3. A man is always reluctant to good cause and is hesitant to practice
 right things.
 4. Perhaps it is god's fault, he made human being so...
 traditional system of character coding is far and far junior than uni
 code.
 Mind that the world is govern by virtual power but not by ground
 reality.



 On 7/24/14, Bhavya shah  wrote:
> Hi.
> I asked this on another thread on the same topic but thought to write
> it to this thread just  in case.
> Why do sighted people use ASCII more often than Unicode and why do
> they use ASCII anyways? Are there any advantages of ASCII over
> Unicode?
> ASCII & Unicode fall under the group of encoding systems, right?
> What does ASCII stand for?
>
> On 7/24/14, Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi  wrote:
>> ok sir. I understood. Thanks for explaining.
>>
>> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
>>> hi,
>>> question one:. What is difference between  ascii anci
>>> Answer:
>>> For general concept, they both fall under the category as one group
>>> element have different identification number but different group
>>> will
>>> use the same number with repeating of those numbers which were
>>> already
>>> used by another group.
>>> Question 2: Difference between unicode UTF8 and UTF16?
>>> Answer:
>>> I earlier have  explained  that letters converted in numbers,
>>> numbers
>>> in zero and one. The zero is taken as switch off no supply of
>>> electricity) and one is converted as switch on supply electricity).
>>> Finally every things is converted into how many times on the switch
>>> and how many time off the switch.
>>> Take a real example:
>>> 65 is the code number of the English capital letter A.
>>> If we convert the number 65 into one and zero (binary number) it
>>> becomes  101
>>> Count the number of zero and one here.
>>> There is one at first and at last and rest are zero.
>>> The total digit is seven.
>>> It means switch the first one, switch off the second, third,
>>> fourth,fifth, sixth and switch on the seventh. That is capital A.
>>> This is only background information for your question.
>>> Then what is utf-8 and 16 etc.
>>> This is the span of a binary number.
>>> Take an example:
>>> you can write one as
>>> 1
>>> 01
>>> 001
>>> 0001
>>> 1
>>> 01
>>> What is the different among these numbers?
>>> In value all they are one but in digits they are different.
>>>  01 is two digit and 01 is six digit.
>>> Now go to back again.
>>> each letter of each language of the world have an unique number
>>> called
>>> the uni Code.
>>> English Capital has the code 65 but my Nepali ka has 2325.
>>> if both letters converted into zero and one (binary number); A is 7
>>> digit and my ka may have 12 digit and perhaps your Kannada ka may
>>> have
>>> sixteen digit.
>>> Now if we want write all number of equal digit say sixteen; we have
>>> to
>>> add nine zeros in front of English A and four in front of my ka but
>>> no
>>> thing to add in front of your ka.
>>> In brief, it is a process of maintaining the number with same digit.
>>> If it is smaller than the set span, zero are added in front of it
>>> but
>>> keeping the value same.
>>> In conclusion, The bit expresses the length 

Re: [AI] what is uniCode and why screen reader work only for uniCode texts?

[Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi]

ok sir.

On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
> hi,
> What do you mean by font converter now?
> I had already said that this word is meaning less.
> If you want to change a font, go to the font dropdown box, select the
> font of your choice and press enter.
> If you want the character code transfer to Unicode, as I had explained
> yesterday, some computer programmer must develop such converter which
> I had explained very earlier.
> First he/she must prepare the each code number of each alphabets of
> each font in Ascii
>  code and prepare the converter tool.
> Only A sited person who recognizes all Kannada letters, numbers and
> symbol of each traditional font can do it.
> A VI person or outsider who does not know Kannada can not do it.
> For this you need:
> 1. he/she must be a computer programer.
> 2. he/she must know Kannada letters written in Traditional and Unicode
> format.
> 3. he/she should not VI person. A vi person can not access traditional
> fonts.
> 4. he/she must do the work as I am doing. If no will to serve, no way!
>
>
> On 7/25/14, Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi  wrote:
>> sir, how to convert fonts? What are the steps to follow?
>>
>> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
>>> hi,
>>> Soft copy,  but about what?
>>> What do you need?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/24/14, Ganesh Babu  wrote:
 Dear sir,
 I forget to tell you, PL send me soft copy

 On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
> Hi,
> There are some reasons:
> 1. we are blind by eyes, they are blind by mind.
> 2. In this world, a man quickly adopts bad things, but could not
> abandon
> it.
> 3. A man is always reluctant to good cause and is hesitant to practice
> right things.
> 4. Perhaps it is god's fault, he made human being so...
> traditional system of character coding is far and far junior than uni
> code.
> Mind that the world is govern by virtual power but not by ground
> reality.
>
>
>
> On 7/24/14, Bhavya shah  wrote:
>> Hi.
>> I asked this on another thread on the same topic but thought to write
>> it to this thread just  in case.
>> Why do sighted people use ASCII more often than Unicode and why do
>> they use ASCII anyways? Are there any advantages of ASCII over
>> Unicode?
>> ASCII & Unicode fall under the group of encoding systems, right?
>> What does ASCII stand for?
>>
>> On 7/24/14, Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi  wrote:
>>> ok sir. I understood. Thanks for explaining.
>>>
>>> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
 hi,
 question one:. What is difference between  ascii anci
 Answer:
 For general concept, they both fall under the category as one group
 element have different identification number but different group
 will
 use the same number with repeating of those numbers which were
 already
 used by another group.
 Question 2: Difference between unicode UTF8 and UTF16?
 Answer:
 I earlier have  explained  that letters converted in numbers,
 numbers
 in zero and one. The zero is taken as switch off no supply of
 electricity) and one is converted as switch on supply electricity).
 Finally every things is converted into how many times on the switch
 and how many time off the switch.
 Take a real example:
 65 is the code number of the English capital letter A.
 If we convert the number 65 into one and zero (binary number) it
 becomes  101
 Count the number of zero and one here.
 There is one at first and at last and rest are zero.
 The total digit is seven.
 It means switch the first one, switch off the second, third,
 fourth,fifth, sixth and switch on the seventh. That is capital A.
 This is only background information for your question.
 Then what is utf-8 and 16 etc.
 This is the span of a binary number.
 Take an example:
 you can write one as
 1
 01
 001
 0001
 1
 01
 What is the different among these numbers?
 In value all they are one but in digits they are different.
  01 is two digit and 01 is six digit.
 Now go to back again.
 each letter of each language of the world have an unique number
 called
 the uni Code.
 English Capital has the code 65 but my Nepali ka has 2325.
 if both letters converted into zero and one (binary number); A is 7
 digit and my ka may have 12 digit and perhaps your Kannada ka may
 have
 sixteen digit.
 Now if we want write all number of equal digit say sixteen; we have
 to
 add nine zeros in front of English A and four in front of my ka but
 no
 thing to add in front of your ka.
 In brief, it is a process of maintaining the num

[AI] need your help!!!'

[Suman Damera]

Dear Friends,
Could you please tell method/procedure to obtain below statistics
how many visually impaired members are there in telangana and andra states?
Out of them, how many are educated/not educated?
If educated then what is the percentage of their employment?
If employed then what type of jobs they are doing?
If 'not educated' then what are the difficulties they are facing?


In order to know all these details, , please let me know whom to
approach and what to be done?
Otherwise, if you already have these details or your friends have it
then kindly share it.
Your help will be highly appreciated.

Thanks


-- 
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Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

[bhawani shankar verma]

could we have any experience from very rural place where a blind student 
studied in a regular primary govt school.  where the family has no money to 
pay heavy fees of english medium public schools?



-Original Message- 
From: Renuka Warriar Edakkunni

Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 10:27 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled.

Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

Hi all,
Since I was not totally blind I took my studies in normal school only.
But even then, nobody considered me a disabled child, rather took me
only one among them, and I  never had the feeling that I was
different.  Of course, whenever I need any help from my friends or
teachers, they were more than happy to provide it.

Renuka.

On 7/25/14, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:

Dil ke khush rakhne ko ghalib khayal achha hay!!

Anyway, all this presupposes that a blind child would be well above 
average

in dealing withlife, and society also in turn would be far mature and
sophisticated.

My simple question is:
does a blind person not have the right to be just average?


With thanks and regards


(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager
Market Intelligence Unit
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur

Tel.: 0712 2806358
(In youth you want things, and then in middle-age you want to want them.)


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Behalf

Of George Abraham
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:51 AM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted 
suicide


Just as we expect and campaign for an accessible World to live in our
education system is expected to be accessible in all its dimensions.
Technologies used , strategies deployed have to not only create a level
playing field but also  provide all children with choices to learn and do
things. For example if blind children are allowed the option of writing
exams using computers then all children must have the choice of using
computers. The problems arise when you have special solutions deployed for
so called special children and in the process isolate. Inclusion has to
happen with a universal design outlook. Inclusion is not just about 
placing

disabled children in a mainstream school and addressing their special
needs. Inclusion is about a class room that is accessible, a pedagogy that
reaches out to all children in class, a curriculum that is more focused
towards skill development rather than being content heavy. In other words
inclusive education should not be a cut and paste job to accommodate
disabled children but needs to be looked at afresh with a lens of 
universal

design that addresses the diversity.

Given the fact that we the blind want opportunities in the World, we need
to
1. see how we can be empowered  enough to be part of the World
2. The people around needs to be given sufficient opportunity to see,
understand and appreciate the potential of all of us so that their
hesitation, reluctance and resistence to including us  is wiped out.

We live in an imperfect World. There is a constant room for improvement.
Nothing stops us from aspiring for a better World. We are not compelled to
settle for inadequate options. We need to keep the big picture in mind and
strive to eliminate the limitations of the systems and create a better
World for our selves There are problems with the way inclusion is
happening. We would be well served if we look at finding solutions to the
challenges we face rather than merely sitting back and being critical of
the structures. Problems are there we need to look for the way forward. If
we want to be included then we need to strive for inclusion right from the
beginning so that we are equipped and so is the World equipped to include.

The World and life is driven by our dreams and aspirations together with
our desire to make the dream real.


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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of avinash shahi
Sent: 24 July 2014 22:51
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted 
suicide


Dear Vamshi sir

Your question reminded me of one great paper which has been published
in the current issue of 'Disability & Society'; Author of the paper is
a blind PH.D scholar who has shared his experiences of regular school
in Australia.  I just want to share few paragraphs which are relevan
in Indian context also,and can help us in understanding the real
situation of disabled children in better way. These paragraphs are
worth-reading. Hope all would find time to go through...
block quote
Davis (1995) argues that social ontology is heavily weighted towards
normalcy. The biological and social aberration that inflicts people
with disabilities ensures that they fail 

Re: [AI] what is uniCode and why screen reader work only for uniCode texts?

[Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi]

Sir, I think, if we want to translate any language to english then, we
have to use only unicode text right? for example, kannada to an
english. So, anci and ascii text will not useful to translate any
text. Sighted people should understood this fact. no need to use ascii
or anci text while typing indian languages. What you say?

On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
> hi,
> What do you mean by font converter now?
> I had already said that this word is meaning less.
> If you want to change a font, go to the font dropdown box, select the
> font of your choice and press enter.
> If you want the character code transfer to Unicode, as I had explained
> yesterday, some computer programmer must develop such converter which
> I had explained very earlier.
> First he/she must prepare the each code number of each alphabets of
> each font in Ascii
>  code and prepare the converter tool.
> Only A sited person who recognizes all Kannada letters, numbers and
> symbol of each traditional font can do it.
> A VI person or outsider who does not know Kannada can not do it.
> For this you need:
> 1. he/she must be a computer programer.
> 2. he/she must know Kannada letters written in Traditional and Unicode
> format.
> 3. he/she should not VI person. A vi person can not access traditional
> fonts.
> 4. he/she must do the work as I am doing. If no will to serve, no way!
>
>
> On 7/25/14, Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi  wrote:
>> sir, how to convert fonts? What are the steps to follow?
>>
>> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
>>> hi,
>>> Soft copy,  but about what?
>>> What do you need?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/24/14, Ganesh Babu  wrote:
 Dear sir,
 I forget to tell you, PL send me soft copy

 On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
> Hi,
> There are some reasons:
> 1. we are blind by eyes, they are blind by mind.
> 2. In this world, a man quickly adopts bad things, but could not
> abandon
> it.
> 3. A man is always reluctant to good cause and is hesitant to practice
> right things.
> 4. Perhaps it is god's fault, he made human being so...
> traditional system of character coding is far and far junior than uni
> code.
> Mind that the world is govern by virtual power but not by ground
> reality.
>
>
>
> On 7/24/14, Bhavya shah  wrote:
>> Hi.
>> I asked this on another thread on the same topic but thought to write
>> it to this thread just  in case.
>> Why do sighted people use ASCII more often than Unicode and why do
>> they use ASCII anyways? Are there any advantages of ASCII over
>> Unicode?
>> ASCII & Unicode fall under the group of encoding systems, right?
>> What does ASCII stand for?
>>
>> On 7/24/14, Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi  wrote:
>>> ok sir. I understood. Thanks for explaining.
>>>
>>> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
 hi,
 question one:. What is difference between  ascii anci
 Answer:
 For general concept, they both fall under the category as one group
 element have different identification number but different group
 will
 use the same number with repeating of those numbers which were
 already
 used by another group.
 Question 2: Difference between unicode UTF8 and UTF16?
 Answer:
 I earlier have  explained  that letters converted in numbers,
 numbers
 in zero and one. The zero is taken as switch off no supply of
 electricity) and one is converted as switch on supply electricity).
 Finally every things is converted into how many times on the switch
 and how many time off the switch.
 Take a real example:
 65 is the code number of the English capital letter A.
 If we convert the number 65 into one and zero (binary number) it
 becomes  101
 Count the number of zero and one here.
 There is one at first and at last and rest are zero.
 The total digit is seven.
 It means switch the first one, switch off the second, third,
 fourth,fifth, sixth and switch on the seventh. That is capital A.
 This is only background information for your question.
 Then what is utf-8 and 16 etc.
 This is the span of a binary number.
 Take an example:
 you can write one as
 1
 01
 001
 0001
 1
 01
 What is the different among these numbers?
 In value all they are one but in digits they are different.
  01 is two digit and 01 is six digit.
 Now go to back again.
 each letter of each language of the world have an unique number
 called
 the uni Code.
 English Capital has the code 65 but my Nepali ka has 2325.
 if both letters converted into zero and one (binary number); A is 7
 digit and my ka may have 12 digit and perhaps your Kannada k

Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

[Vedprakash Sharma]

The filteration can be maintained through mobile verification also.
All that is maintained through captcha, can be done through other accessible
means also.
PNB does not use captcha on its online banking facility and the site is one
of the most secured one.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:11 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

Perhaps! It means we should not lock our houses when unmanned coz robbers
know of breaking locks. Also, the CAPTCHA is generated using randomization
logic which ensures that the same word or phrase doesn't go to two different
requestors of the page. It's not for user or card protection rather it's for
the web site to identify that the request is coming from a genuine human
user and not via some robotic program or script.

 

Some of the consequences of a site not being able to filter out robotic
attempts include:

 

1.   The server becomes too busy serving malicious users.

2.   Requests from genuine users take too long and may even time out.

3.   Server hangs due to resource over-utilization and becomes
non-responsive or even unavailable.

4.   Data loss and inconsistency

How can this inability of a site to filter robotic attempts impact
end-users?

 

1.   The user is transferring money to someone via NEFT, he feeds
required data stepping through various steps and upon confirming the
transaction details receives a server time-out. What an annoying experience
would that be!

2.   The user is shopping on a site offering heavy discount for an hour,
he selects the product, keys in the quantity and other preferences and
proceeds to make payment. The transaction fails due to the bank server being
heavily loaded. He attempts again and finds the shopping site unavailable
for long. What a dissatisfying experience would that be!

 

Again, the above listed scenarios may not be experienced everyday but the
ones who experience them really feel horrible and may tend not to continue
using such sites. Definitely CAPTCHA is not the only way of blocking
malicious attacks from bots and scripts, the sites can devise better
mechanism to handle such incidents with a little brainstorming on
alternative ideas and innovation.

 

Hope the above explanation is sufficient to understand that CAPTCHA have a
purpose to serve for the sites implementing them and better alternatives do
exist. The primary issue with CAPTCHA for us is that they are mostly
inaccessible and even modern browsers do not have an in-built mechanism to
solve them thus making us think that sites should get rid of them.

 

Best Regards,

Zujar..

 

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of bhawani shankar verma
Sent: 23 July 2014 07:45 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

 

whatever it is, still I don't accept any arguement on the support of this
capture. if a hacker can hack the website, he can also develop a software
for this capture. i am making payment through debit card. i have entered all
my information correctly, being an IT student describe me what is the
necesity of this capture their. if this capture would not be their, how this
will be harmfull to me or my banker. the overall risk is at my side because
my account is being debited. and i have the infromation regarding my debit
card like expiry date etc. even i provide my card number, can anybody hack
my card without knowing its pin number or expiry date? At the time of making
payment, if any hacker is seeing my computer, then he can also see this
capture and solve it. it is nothing more then a fobia.

 

- Original Message -

From: "Hozefa Tambawala" <  starh...@gmail.com>

To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerningthe disabled." < 
accessindia@accessindia.org.in>

Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

 

 

> The purpose of CAPTCHA can better be understood by the persons who are

> working in IT field. I am studying in IT and can say it is essential

> to implement CAPTCHA on certain websites. I completely agree that the

> visually challenged persons find it difficult to solve CAPTCHA due to

> the negligence of site developer as they do not consider such aspects.

> But this issue can easily be overcome by educating them about other

> alternatives for CAPTCHA implementation.

> 

> On 7/23/14, bhawani shankar verma < 
bsvermad...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> what about that person who is having fearing deficiency? also if

>> anyone is viewing the page with 2g connectivity or slow internet

>> connectivity then it

Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

[Vedprakash Sharma]

I am not aware of the present incident. I did not go through the mails.
However, I would like to express my views over the matter of inclusive
education.
As I am working in a Delhi Government school, I come across such cases where
disabled students have to suffer on account of none of their faults.
Normally, no special attention is paid to the disabled. At the first place,
the authorities try to block the admission of the disabled. Somehow, if the
candidate gets admitted, he/she has to face the basic logic of the staff in
case of any of his/her problem:
"We had warned you that you cannot adapt to the environment of the school."
No student, let alone the disabled ones, are paid any attention which they
badly require.
Lack of facilities is just the tip of the iceburg which can be rectified.
But the basic problem is that the present staff is not trained to educate
the disabled.
The disabled have some specific needs which need to be addressed. The
present staff does not know any thing about abacus, tailor frame, braille,
and other such iquipments which the VI need badly in order to be educated
properly.
We have experienced during computer training sessions that a visually
impaired can teach the visually impaired better than the normal ones.
The same applys to other subjects too. Basic concepts of rotation and
revolution etc cannot be explained by a teacher who has not gone through the
problem of "not seeing".
The medium of explanation generally depends upon gestures, face expressions
and eye contact. The teachers show a photographic virtualisation and
explain, "that is how the revolution and rotation of the earth takes place."
Now, how and what can be got by a visually impaired through such
discussions? It is the basic reason as to why the visually impaired are not
able to learn mathemetics and science subjects. Even the basic principles of
newton, Archimedes, Faraday etc are hardly known to the visually impaired
students who pass out from the schools of inclusive education.
And please do not think I am a pacimist. There are exceptionally talented
students. But their parents are taking care of the problems faced by them.
Most of the parents are not so participative in educational matters even in
normal cases. Let alone the parents of the disabled children.
So, unless all these problems are resolved, there is no hope for inclusive
education.
There are countless problems which need immediate attention and solutions
first.
Only ofter the solutions, we should think of inclusive education.


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Preeti Monga
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:03 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

I agree with you George completely! I think we all need to think and work
with open minds and choose to move  forward... instead of just arguing what
is good and what is bad. Let us put our forces together and get  inclusive
education into the right prospective and never allow any disabled child/
person fall out of the mainstream society in the first place! We are
born/created in the inclusive world... then we are consciously excluded...
and then we are asked to ultimately function and fend for ourselves in the
inclusive world! Amazing is it not? 
So once again let us work towards a good inclusive education model together!
Preeti

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-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of George Abraham
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:53 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

Avinash,

I do not subscribe to inclusion the way it is being done today! However, I
still believe that the way to go forward is inclusive education. There will
be pain to start with but as we go forward with conviction, the systems will
evolve and then move into an rhobust one. The problem today is that
inclusive education is being implemented in a cylo by some experts from the
disability sector. The mainstream by and large have not understood it, hence
there is no conviction and the effort is merely following orders. We have to
work with the HR

Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

[Vedprakash Sharma]

Unless all this happens, no experiments in the name of inclusive education.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of George Abraham
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:53 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

Avinash,

I do not subscribe to inclusion the way it is being done today! However, I
still believe that the way to go forward is inclusive education. There will
be pain to start with but as we go forward with conviction, the systems will
evolve and then move into an rhobust one. The problem today is that
inclusive education is being implemented in a cylo by some experts from the
disability sector. The mainstream by and large have not understood it, hence
there is no conviction and the effort is merely following orders. We have to
work with the HRD ministry, NCERT, State Govt/Boards and bring in a level of
convinction.

It is easy to be critical of Inclusive Education and dismiss it as not
useful. I am convinced that it will be the best thing to happen for us blind
people but there is a long battle ahead and a huge amount of
research, training and policy level intervention needed   

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of avinash shahi
Sent: 24 July 2014 13:14
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

Dear Sir

I do not subscribe to the notion that admission in regular schools in tender
age prepares disabled child for facing harsh nitty-gritty in life in future.
In Indian context, most of schools are ill-equipped and non-receptive
towards disabled children. Schools are not only about imparting bookish
knowledge, they are mandated to provide conducive recreational facilities to
disabled children. I presumably believe blind children do not play cricket,
chess, and take substantial part in other cultural activities. why? because
they are not accomodated in a culture wich is based on non-disabled norms.
In schools specially in villages non-disabled classmates often deride
disabled children by welcoming with derogatory denominations. Who will make
sure it does not happen? when somebody's disability is hated and scorned in
childhood, it certainly puts irremovable scars on the mind of children which
ruins their entire life. If what I have written is not correct, please
provide instances frompractical findings that blind children are much better
and have performed well in comparison to blind children who study in
specialised schools. I know hardly any research has been undertaken to
explore psychological aspect of inclusive education in India. disabled
children dropout from regular schools in greater proportion NCERT's own
study establishes this fact... This concept of inclusive education has been
hastely imported from west which is unsuitable in our context at least
today.

 On 7/24/14, George Abraham  wrote:
> Consider this Avinash: Once you get out of the education stage of your 
> life, you work and live in an inclusive environment. What about the 
> humiliation people go through. Inclusion right from early days 
> prepares
one
> to deal with the harsh realities of the World. Having said this, there 
> is
a
> lot of work that needs to be done in terms ground preparation of the 
> inclusive education platform. It is inclusive education that also
prepares
> the non disabled population to understand , appreciate and engage with 
> disability and people with disability.
> This subject again can debated.
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf
> Of avinash shahi
> Sent: 24 July 2014 12:24
> To: accessindia; jnuvision; sayeverything
> Subject: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted 
> suicide
>
> So what the proponents of Inclusive education say on this?
> Psychological humiliation leaves more scars ,you know. We do not know 
> how many of students go through similar experiences in colleges and 
> universities? who cares about them? This teacher must be suspended 
> forthwith. People in Odisha must take the matter with the concerned 
> authorities. Such teachers who are incensitive to the needs of 
> disabled students and humiliate them the need to be delth sternly by 
> the law enforcing agencies. Do forward this to the people active in 
> Odisha.
> http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140724/jsp/odisha/story_18646088.jsp
>
> Cry for suspension of Utkal faculty
> OUR CORRESPONDENT
> Bhubaneswar, July 23: Visually challenged students today sat on a 
> protest before the disability commissioner's office here demanding 
> immediate suspension of the Utkal university faculty Sujit Acharya.
>
> Acharya had allegedly insulted a visually impaired student, who was 

Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

[Vedprakash Sharma]

More important is that the staff is not trained presently for inclusive
education.
It needs some special training to teach students with special needs.


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of avinash shahi
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:50 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

Vidhya has provided a nuanced account of experiences in regular school which
is intentionally underrated and avoided by proponents of inclusive
education. I hope many students can narrate similar stories.
Friends it is time we should speak up and write real experiences so that
experiences are documented and serious discourse is initiated with the
policy-maker for policy intervention. Any idea if not discussed and debated
adequately and hastely promoted for actuation; may lead to serious
ramification. Regular schools can never make you feel equal not because you
are really not equal  but just think about one terminology adopted by
governments in their policy documents.
that is CSN equals (Children with 'special' needs. All recquirements of a
disabled child are 'special' which will always make him/her special for pity
and charity from non-special people. I hope many more students who are
members here will share their experiences of regular schools. Come on
friends we are more than 25 hundred people on the list. Why only 20 to 25
share discuss and debate? language is no barrier role your fingers and make
issues visible in public domain.
 On 7/24/14, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
> Well said, vidhya.
> Still we are apologetic about our experiences in special schools 
> because these inclusivists have made feel obsolete in moder era of
inclusion.
> I can also say similar so many good tings about my early education in 
> a blind school.
> At george: yes, we have to work in the society full of sighted.
> But it is mandatory for early years that foundation is laid with 
> confidence and in an unhindered manner.
> In the name of inclusion, we may thrust unsuspecting blind children 
> into a a situation where they themselves won't understand their 
> blindness, let alone work with confidence in the sighted world.
> Howsoever we shout that we are no different, the fact remains that we 
> are different, and we must understand and deal with that different 
> successfully.
> So, it is better to improve the quality of blind schools instead of 
> forcing blind children upon unwilling and ill equipped sighted schools.
> Uniformity is not the panacea.
> Sighted schools also, by the way, are not heavenly for the students 
> even with sight.
>
>
> With thanks and regards
>
>
> (Rajesh Asudani)
>
> Assistant General Manager
> Market Intelligence Unit
> Reserve Bank of India
> Nagpur
>
> Tel.: 0712 2806358
> (In youth you want things, and then in middle-age you want to want 
> them.)
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of Vidhya Y
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:09 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted 
> suicide
>
> Dear Friends,
> I would like to Share my Personal Experience regarding Inclusive 
> education from Childhood.
> this is just my openion.
> Sorry if I am wrong.
> according to me, its better if a Blind Child studies atleast primary 
> school in Blind schools.
> I started studying in a regular School from Standard 8.
> before that, I Studied at Jyothiseva School for the blind in Bangalore.
> My Mom did not want me to go to Blind School and she would always cry 
> to  leave me in the Hostel because my family is very supportive.
> but with all the courage she managed to leave me in that school till 
> 7th Grade just because I had to mingle with other children.
> I would come home once a Week.
> I  am sure that the quality of education in blind school is far behind 
> the regular School.
> for example, we were taught algebra and geomatry at very basic level 
> in the Blind school.
> however,
> I have enjoyed playing so many Games both out door and indoor with my 
> Blind Friends.
> I have not played any of these games except chess after I left the school.
> I still remember how we would enjoy going to picknics together.
> now I dont go to college trip because I am sure that my friends will 
> find it difficult to take me every where.
> because  I studied in a blind school,
> I always thank god that I have so many sweet  memories  to tell my 
> Sighted friends even now.
> I feel that sighted Children are not so comfortable playing outdoor 
> games with blind friends  because its different from what they play.
> and also I had learnt to do my own work even sweeping, cleaning rooms etc.
> its obvious that family members are not trained in teaching all the

Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

[Vedprakash Sharma]

Of course, special schools have numerous problems. But it is easy to resolve
them rather than sticking to inclusive education. Inclusive education needs
a proper training of the teachers first.
There are specific courses for the teachers of the disabled.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Preeti Monga
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:32 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

Neither are blind schools  heavenly for blind students! As I said, there are
good and bad points, positive and negative sides to every situation, and the
trick is to take away the positives and move on! I wonder why we are arguing
about inclusion or no inclusion? Those of us who have not had the
opportunity at inclusion in early school have their valid points, and those
of us who have had the opportunity of going to inclusive education, also
have their valid points. But, as there not enough blind schools around the
country, it is a great idea  for blind students to be educated in regular
schools. All children are different and that is why the world is what it is!
Can you imagine every one with same qualities? How would the world be? 
Preeti

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-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:17 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

Well said, vidhya.
Still we are apologetic about our experiences in special schools because
these inclusivists have made feel obsolete in moder era of inclusion.
I can also say similar so many good tings about my early education in a
blind school.
At george: yes, we have to work in the society full of sighted.
But it is mandatory for early years that foundation is laid with confidence
and in an unhindered manner.
In the name of inclusion, we may thrust unsuspecting blind children into a a
situation where they themselves won't understand their blindness, let alone
work with confidence in the sighted world.
Howsoever we shout that we are no different, the fact remains that we are
different, and we must understand and deal with that different successfully.
So, it is better to improve the quality of blind schools instead of forcing
blind children upon unwilling and ill equipped sighted schools.
Uniformity is not the panacea.
Sighted schools also, by the way, are not heavenly for the students even
with sight.


With thanks and regards


(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager
Market Intelligence Unit
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur

Tel.: 0712 2806358
(In youth you want things, and then in middle-age you want to want them.)


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Vidhya Y
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:09 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

Dear Friends,
I would like to Share my Personal Experience regarding Inclusive education
from Childhood.
this is just my openion.
Sorry if I am wrong.
according to me, its better if a Blind Child studies atleast primary school
in Blind schools.
I started studying in a regular School from Standard 8.
before that, I Studied at Jyothiseva School for the blind in Bangalore.
My Mom did not want me to go to Blind School and she would always cry to
leave me in the Hostel because my family is very supportive.
but with all the courage she managed to leave me in that school till 7th
Grade just because I had to mingle with other children.
I would come home once a Week.
I  am sure that the quality of education in blind school is far behind the
regular School.
for example, we were taught algebra and geomatry at very basic level in the
Blind school.
however,
I have enjoyed playing so many Games both out door and indoor with my Blind
Friends.
I have not played any of these games except chess after I left the school.
I still remember how we would enjoy going to picknics together.
now I dont go to college trip because I am sure that my friends will f

Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

[Vedprakash Sharma]

No.
What we need is the proper training of the teachers so that they can
recognize the special needs of the disabled and attend to it.
Without this basic requirement, there is no hope for inclusive education.
-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of George Abraham
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:31 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

All what you say is true. That does not make inclusion in education a no no.
The problem lies with the understanding of inclusion by the so called
education experts and the implementation of it. The HRD Ministry goes about
inclusion without conviction and without proper preparation Inclusion is a
goal or a dream for all of us. What we need to fight  for is proper
implementation.
-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: 24 July 2014 16:17
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

Well said, vidhya.
Still we are apologetic about our experiences in special schools because
these inclusivists have made feel obsolete in moder era of inclusion.
I can also say similar so many good tings about my early education in a
blind school.
At george: yes, we have to work in the society full of sighted.
But it is mandatory for early years that foundation is laid with confidence
and in an unhindered manner.
In the name of inclusion, we may thrust unsuspecting blind children into a a
situation where they themselves won't understand their blindness, let alone
work with confidence in the sighted world.
Howsoever we shout that we are no different, the fact remains that we are
different, and we must understand and deal with that different successfully.
So, it is better to improve the quality of blind schools instead of forcing
blind children upon unwilling and ill equipped sighted schools.
Uniformity is not the panacea.
Sighted schools also, by the way, are not heavenly for the students even
with sight.


With thanks and regards


(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager
Market Intelligence Unit
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur

Tel.: 0712 2806358
(In youth you want things, and then in middle-age you want to want them.)


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Vidhya Y
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:09 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

Dear Friends,
I would like to Share my Personal Experience regarding Inclusive education
from Childhood.
this is just my openion.
Sorry if I am wrong.
according to me, its better if a Blind Child studies atleast primary school
in Blind schools.
I started studying in a regular School from Standard 8.
before that, I Studied at Jyothiseva School for the blind in Bangalore.
My Mom did not want me to go to Blind School and she would always cry to
leave me in the Hostel because my family is very supportive.
but with all the courage she managed to leave me in that school till 7th
Grade just because I had to mingle with other children.
I would come home once a Week.
I  am sure that the quality of education in blind school is far behind the
regular School.
for example, we were taught algebra and geomatry at very basic level in the
Blind school.
however,
I have enjoyed playing so many Games both out door and indoor with my Blind
Friends.
I have not played any of these games except chess after I left the school.
I still remember how we would enjoy going to picknics together.
now I dont go to college trip because I am sure that my friends will find it
difficult to take me every where.
because  I studied in a blind school,
I always thank god that I have so many sweet  memories  to tell my Sighted
friends even now.
I feel that sighted Children are not so comfortable playing outdoor games
with blind friends  because its different from what they play.
and also I had learnt to do my own work even sweeping, cleaning rooms etc.
its obvious that family members are not trained in teaching all the work to
Visually challenged.
in case of my family, I am sure I would not know a single work because my
Mom and sisters would do it for me.
there were so many vierd students in my Blind school who were admitted after
12 years to first grade for example, there was a girl who did not know how
to walk till the age of 12 because her parents were not aware how to teach
her.
there was another girl who did not know that even she can play.
isn't it sad that a child doesn't know how to play just because he/she is
Blind?now I can think all this but it is not possible as a child to think
all this.
and I wou

Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

[avinash shahi]

You have hit the ball in the net...

Bharat vs India , rich vs poor Urban vs Rural and most importantly,
english vs regional languages huge complexities can not be swept under
the carpet. any policy which is formulated for disabled people must
take into account the intersectionality among them seriously... time
is ripped young activists and researchers join hands and take the
battle forward with visionary ideas We do not want flawd policies
with ill-feedbacks should ruin the future of particularly blind
children. I have been in so called mainstream college and university
life for more than 7 years still four years to go till I complete my
PHD...  and owe my deepest gratitude to my school blind relief
association located in the heart of delhi which prepared me to not
only compete with so called normal with vigour and passion but many of
them just keep watching how a blind negotiates so efficiently,not only
indoor but outdoor as well... I and many of my friends carry legacy of
our school and sighted get struck to see how we gosip, play cricket,
share each other sorrows and joys and roam around the campus in
groups. cultural identity of blind people is very important which
should preserved and protected.

x
On 7/25/14, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
> could we have any experience from very rural place where a blind student
> studied in a regular primary govt school.  where the family has no money to
>
> pay heavy fees of english medium public schools?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Renuka Warriar Edakkunni
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 10:27 AM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerningthe disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide
>
> Hi all,
> Since I was not totally blind I took my studies in normal school only.
> But even then, nobody considered me a disabled child, rather took me
> only one among them, and I  never had the feeling that I was
> different.  Of course, whenever I need any help from my friends or
> teachers, they were more than happy to provide it.
>
> Renuka.
>
> On 7/25/14, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>> Dil ke khush rakhne ko ghalib khayal achha hay!!
>>
>> Anyway, all this presupposes that a blind child would be well above
>> average
>> in dealing withlife, and society also in turn would be far mature and
>> sophisticated.
>>
>> My simple question is:
>> does a blind person not have the right to be just average?
>>
>>
>> With thanks and regards
>>
>>
>> (Rajesh Asudani)
>>
>> Assistant General Manager
>> Market Intelligence Unit
>> Reserve Bank of India
>> Nagpur
>>
>> Tel.: 0712 2806358
>> (In youth you want things, and then in middle-age you want to want them.)
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of George Abraham
>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:51 AM
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>> suicide
>>
>> Just as we expect and campaign for an accessible World to live in our
>> education system is expected to be accessible in all its dimensions.
>> Technologies used , strategies deployed have to not only create a level
>> playing field but also  provide all children with choices to learn and do
>> things. For example if blind children are allowed the option of writing
>> exams using computers then all children must have the choice of using
>> computers. The problems arise when you have special solutions deployed
>> for
>> so called special children and in the process isolate. Inclusion has to
>> happen with a universal design outlook. Inclusion is not just about
>> placing
>> disabled children in a mainstream school and addressing their special
>> needs. Inclusion is about a class room that is accessible, a pedagogy
>> that
>> reaches out to all children in class, a curriculum that is more focused
>> towards skill development rather than being content heavy. In other words
>> inclusive education should not be a cut and paste job to accommodate
>> disabled children but needs to be looked at afresh with a lens of
>> universal
>> design that addresses the diversity.
>>
>> Given the fact that we the blind want opportunities in the World, we need
>> to
>> 1. see how we can be empowered  enough to be part of the World
>> 2. The people around needs to be given sufficient opportunity to see,
>> understand and appreciate the potential of all of us so that their
>> hesitation, reluctance and resistence to including us  is wiped out.
>>
>> We live in an imperfect World. There is a constant room for improvement.
>> Nothing stops us from aspiring for a better World. We are not compelled
>> to
>> settle for inadequate options. We need to keep the big picture in mind
>> and
>> strive to eliminate the limitations of the systems and create a better
>> World for our selves There are problems with the 

Re: [AI] A sighted girl wishes to marry to a VI man

[Aravind Aralaguppe]

You are right sir thats what happened in my case when i married she was 18
years old ofter 5 years she left me saying that she cannot leave hole life
with  a vi person.
On 25 Jul 2014 09:08, "B. R. Nautial"  wrote:

> I think, right now, she's not matured enough so, no need to trust on her
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of bhawani shankar verma
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:31 AM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
> thedisabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] A sighted girl wishes to marry to a VI man
>
> it may be an emotional decision sir,
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "mahendra" 
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerningthe disabled." 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] A sighted girl wishes to marry to a VI man
>
>
> > my question is, why she want to marry blind person?
> > at her age she may have more possible partners,
> >
> >
> > At 02:52 PM 7/23/2014, you wrote:
> >>mam, your absolutely right.
> >>But,
> >>If she is completely matured for taking a such decesion then why
> >>should wait for 2 3 years?
> >>Already she completed 18 years means she is running in 19 year. So 19
> >>years is enough for marage acording to Indian law.
> >>So try to find a good life partner for her and make her future bright.
> >>
> >>On 7/23/14, Preeti Monga  wrote:
> >> > She is a bit too young to take such a decision so please tell her to
> >> > wait
> >> > for at least 2 to 3 years before she ties the  knot!
> >> > Preeti
> >> >
> >> > Preeti Monga
> >> > Director
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Mobile: +91 9871701646
> >> > Landline: 011 22781446
> >> > E-mail: preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in
> >> > Website: www.silver-linings.co.in  ;  www.silver-linings.org
> >> > Our Services: Executive Search - Specializing in Head Hunting.
> Training
> >> > -Motivation; Stress Management; Soft Skill; Behavioral. Gifting -
> >> > Corporate
> >> > ; Promotional;  Events. End to end CSR Advisory; including
> demystifying
> >> > workshops  and counseling. Printing Solutions,  Incentive Travel and
> >> > Marketing Data Mining / Refining..
> >> >
> >> > We  assure  high quality service marked with excellence and complete
> >> > customer centricity, forming Synergies as we go along.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
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> >> > Behalf
> >> > Of TS Negi
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 5:16 PM
> >> > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> >> > Subject: [AI] A sighted girl wishes to marry to a VI man
> >> >
> >> > Hi friends, a sighted girl, 18, studying in 12th class, reads hindi
> and
> >> > english fluently, from bihar, the sister of my one
> >> >
> >> > of friend, wants to marry to a govt. job holder VI man, age between 20
> >> > and
> >> > 30, should reside Delhi NCR.
> >> > For more information contact:
> >> > Satish Kumar
> >> > Ph.-9868498568
> >> >
> >> >
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[AI] Article: Smart Shoes Guide Runners & The Blind With Vibrations.

[shahnaz]

Smart Shoes Guide Runners & The Blind With Vibrations.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-07/24/lechal-smart-shoes


Ducere

An Indian company has come up with a sleek solution to wearable technology that 
is entirely useful and doesn't involve reading any tiny screens. The 
Bluetooth-enabled

Lechal smart shoes
 vibrate to give people directions and tell them where to turn as they travel 
along.

The shoes sync with a user's phone, and an app that piggybacks on Google Maps 
allows the shoes to keep track of where they're going. Once you have input
your destination and chosen a route, you can tuck your phone away and run or 
walk along with the left or right shoe buzzing to nudge you into turning.

The shoes have been designed and developed by a company called Ducere based in 
the city of Secunderabad in India, although they will be manufactured in
China. As with many technological innovations that have found their way into 
our homes and onto our bodies, the smart shoes were originally designed for
medical purposes -- in this case to guide the visually impaired (in Hindi 
Lechal means "take me along").

It occurred to the company while it was testing the shoes that they would be 
useful in numerous scenarios -- for runners, mountain bikers or for tourists
trying to find their way around a new city -- and so they will be produced and 
marketed to all consumers, as well as the perfect accompaniment to a white
cane. As a bonus, the shoes will also fulfil the role of traditional fitness 
tracker by keeping tabs on your distance travelled and calories burned.

The prototype shoes currently up for pre-order look pretty awesome as sports 
shoes go, but if you're not keen on the design you can always opt for the
Lechal smart in-soles and slide them inside your own shoes instead. You can 
also vary the strength of the vibration, which will hopefully prevent them
from setting off anyone with ticklish feet.

DON'T MISS
Sense tracks your sleep without intruding on it

The shoes will be available in racing car colours -- black and red -- and will 
be priced between $100 (£59) and $150 (£88). According to the 
Wall Street Journal,
the company already claims to have orders for 25,000 pairs and expects to sell 
100,000 by March. The company has already received backing from angel investors
but is now looking to raise at least another $4 million in funding for 
marketing, as well as searching for not-for-profit organisations to team up with
in order to try and offer the shoes cheaper to visually impaired customers.




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[AI] Introduction - Navin Kumar gohil

[Navin Kumar Gohil]

Hello all,

 

I am a new member who has joined this mailing list recently and the below is
a brief intro about myself.

 

First of all thanks to Shyam Sharma of Indore to introduce me to this
mailing list.

 

My name is Navin Kumar gohil and I am currently based in Nashik.

My educational background is Marine Engineering and I have experience of
over 20 years in commercial shipping (normally known as merchant navy) at
various positions/ranks in seagoing as well as shore based management with
last 4 years of my service being with Shipmanagement companies in Singapore.

 

I am a late blind person with blindness showering me at the age of 43 in Oct
2012 and thus I quit my job at shipping company at Singapore and shifted to
Nashik in Jan 2013. My blindness is due to Optic Neuritis/entropy and its
diagonised as auto-immune.

 

Thanks to excellent support provided by NAB,Nashik in re-orienting me for
use of computer with JAWS and special thanks to Mdm Vaishali in this regard.

 

Having undergone rehabilitation at Deptt. Of Rehab,NAB,Mumbai I have managed
to developed many skills to lead an independent life as a blind
person.thanks to the whole team of DOR,NAB for their excellent efforts.

 

I am currently still improvising my skill especially in adaptive technology
while always in look outfor suitable opportunity for future
engagement/involvement.

 

My hobbies include listening to music,reading books and going on long
drives.

 

I am currently living in Nashik with my home-maker wife and a school going
son.

 

A big thank you to Deepak Shaparia of Ahmedabad for their guidance and also
thanks to Balasaheb Londhe of Nashik for their tips specially on JAWS.

 

I am a man of few words but will try to contribute my view points/comments
in this august group once in a while.

 

Also a big believer that "Show must go on ... And along with it the journey
of life."

 

Wishing you all a peaceful and restful weekend.

Warm regards

 

Navin Kumar gohil

 

 

 



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Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

[George Abraham]

What do you think one means by proper implementation. It certainly includes
teacher's training, curriculum planning universal pedagogic techniques and
so on.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Vedprakash Sharma
Sent: 24 July 2014 18:03
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide



No.
What we need is the proper training of the teachers so that they can
recognize the special needs of the disabled and attend to it.
Without this basic requirement, there is no hope for inclusive education.
-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of George Abraham
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:31 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

All what you say is true. That does not make inclusion in education a no
no.
The problem lies with the understanding of inclusion by the so called
education experts and the implementation of it. The HRD Ministry goes about
inclusion without conviction and without proper preparation Inclusion is a
goal or a dream for all of us. What we need to fight  for is proper
implementation.
-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: 24 July 2014 16:17
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

Well said, vidhya.
Still we are apologetic about our experiences in special schools because
these inclusivists have made feel obsolete in moder era of inclusion.
I can also say similar so many good tings about my early education in a
blind school.
At george: yes, we have to work in the society full of sighted.
But it is mandatory for early years that foundation is laid with confidence
and in an unhindered manner.
In the name of inclusion, we may thrust unsuspecting blind children into a
a
situation where they themselves won't understand their blindness, let alone
work with confidence in the sighted world.
Howsoever we shout that we are no different, the fact remains that we are
different, and we must understand and deal with that different
successfully.
So, it is better to improve the quality of blind schools instead of forcing
blind children upon unwilling and ill equipped sighted schools.
Uniformity is not the panacea.
Sighted schools also, by the way, are not heavenly for the students even
with sight.


With thanks and regards


(Rajesh Asudani)

Assistant General Manager
Market Intelligence Unit
Reserve Bank of India
Nagpur

Tel.: 0712 2806358
(In youth you want things, and then in middle-age you want to want them.)


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Vidhya Y
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 4:09 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

Dear Friends,
I would like to Share my Personal Experience regarding Inclusive education
from Childhood.
this is just my openion.
Sorry if I am wrong.
according to me, its better if a Blind Child studies atleast primary school
in Blind schools.
I started studying in a regular School from Standard 8.
before that, I Studied at Jyothiseva School for the blind in Bangalore.
My Mom did not want me to go to Blind School and she would always cry to
leave me in the Hostel because my family is very supportive.
but with all the courage she managed to leave me in that school till 7th
Grade just because I had to mingle with other children.
I would come home once a Week.
I  am sure that the quality of education in blind school is far behind the
regular School.
for example, we were taught algebra and geomatry at very basic level in the
Blind school.
however,
I have enjoyed playing so many Games both out door and indoor with my Blind
Friends.
I have not played any of these games except chess after I left the school.
I still remember how we would enjoy going to picknics together.
now I dont go to college trip because I am sure that my friends will find
it
difficult to take me every where.
because  I studied in a blind school,
I always thank god that I have so many sweet  memories  to tell my Sighted
friends even now.
I feel that sighted Children are not so comfortable playing outdoor games
with blind friends  because its different from what they play.
and also I had learnt to do my own work even sweeping, cleaning rooms etc.
its obvious that family members are not trained in teaching all the work to
Visually challenged.
in case of my family, I am sure I would not know a single work because my
Mom and sisters would d

Re: [AI] A sighted girl wishes to marry to a VI man

[Lilly]

This is  not only because of her age. Most the sighted girls are doing the
same. Will suck off whatever they want from a blind and leaving by the name
of divorce. So be cautious. Get to know her for longer time before
committing a relationship. Make sure she's the right one. Whether it is a
sighted or blind.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Aravind Aralaguppe
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 5:38 PM
To: accessindia
Subject: Re: [AI] A sighted girl wishes to marry to a VI man

You are right sir thats what happened in my case when i married she was 18
years old ofter 5 years she left me saying that she cannot leave hole life
with  a vi person.
On 25 Jul 2014 09:08, "B. R. Nautial"  wrote:

> I think, right now, she's not matured enough so, no need to trust on 
> her
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 7:31 AM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and 
> issuesconcerning thedisabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] A sighted girl wishes to marry to a VI man
>
> it may be an emotional decision sir,
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "mahendra" 
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerningthe disabled." 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] A sighted girl wishes to marry to a VI man
>
>
> > my question is, why she want to marry blind person?
> > at her age she may have more possible partners,
> >
> >
> > At 02:52 PM 7/23/2014, you wrote:
> >>mam, your absolutely right.
> >>But,
> >>If she is completely matured for taking a such decesion then why 
> >>should wait for 2 3 years?
> >>Already she completed 18 years means she is running in 19 year. So 
> >>19 years is enough for marage acording to Indian law.
> >>So try to find a good life partner for her and make her future bright.
> >>
> >>On 7/23/14, Preeti Monga  wrote:
> >> > She is a bit too young to take such a decision so please tell her 
> >> > to wait for at least 2 to 3 years before she ties the  knot!
> >> > Preeti
> >> >
> >> > Preeti Monga
> >> > Director
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Mobile: +91 9871701646
> >> > Landline: 011 22781446
> >> > E-mail: preeti.mo...@silver-linings.co.in
> >> > Website: www.silver-linings.co.in  ;  www.silver-linings.org Our 
> >> > Services: Executive Search - Specializing in Head Hunting.
> Training
> >> > -Motivation; Stress Management; Soft Skill; Behavioral. Gifting - 
> >> > Corporate ; Promotional;  Events. End to end CSR Advisory; 
> >> > including
> demystifying
> >> > workshops  and counseling. Printing Solutions,  Incentive Travel 
> >> > and Marketing Data Mining / Refining..
> >> >
> >> > We  assure  high quality service marked with excellence and 
> >> > complete customer centricity, forming Synergies as we go along.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -Original Message-
> >> > From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] 
> >> > On Behalf Of TS Negi
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2014 5:16 PM
> >> > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> >> > Subject: [AI] A sighted girl wishes to marry to a VI man
> >> >
> >> > Hi friends, a sighted girl, 18, studying in 12th class, reads 
> >> > hindi
> and
> >> > english fluently, from bihar, the sister of my one
> >> >
> >> > of friend, wants to marry to a govt. job holder VI man, age 
> >> > between 20 and 30, should reside Delhi NCR.
> >> > For more information contact:
> >> > Satish Kumar
> >> > Ph.-9868498568
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [AI] what is uniCode and why screen reader work only for uniCode texts?

[Him Prasad Gautam]

hi,
I did not get your question clearly.
Do you mean by google translate?
Be clear in two point.
1. For computer system, The ASCII encoded ANSI format text of any
language either Kannada or Nepali or Tamil are not local text but it
takes all of them as English. Remember my example. If the code number
is repeated for different language, all the text having same code
number with English are consider as English letter by computer. but in
the eye of the sited person they just look as local text.
In screen they appear as local text but in computer memory they are
consider as English letter.
Imagine that if a man wears ladies dress like a sari and blouse, he
looks like a lady but his sex remains as male. Same case happens.
The ANSI coded letter appear like local text but their identity
remains as English text because their code number is same as English
letter have.
They are fake local letters.

2. Since computer takes them as English letters, no question of
translation by the computer itself.
However, a sited man can do it by looking the fake face of the letter
at screen and typing English letters.

In conclusion, BE clear:
ANSI/ASCII format text of any language of the world are English letters.
The assumption as local text is totally fake like a man with sari is a
fake women.

.




You need not translate Kannada text in Unicode to translate.


On 7/25/14, Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi  wrote:
> Sir, I think, if we want to translate any language to english then, we
> have to use only unicode text right? for example, kannada to an
> english. So, anci and ascii text will not useful to translate any
> text. Sighted people should understood this fact. no need to use ascii
> or anci text while typing indian languages. What you say?
>
> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
>> hi,
>> What do you mean by font converter now?
>> I had already said that this word is meaning less.
>> If you want to change a font, go to the font dropdown box, select the
>> font of your choice and press enter.
>> If you want the character code transfer to Unicode, as I had explained
>> yesterday, some computer programmer must develop such converter which
>> I had explained very earlier.
>> First he/she must prepare the each code number of each alphabets of
>> each font in Ascii
>>  code and prepare the converter tool.
>> Only A sited person who recognizes all Kannada letters, numbers and
>> symbol of each traditional font can do it.
>> A VI person or outsider who does not know Kannada can not do it.
>> For this you need:
>> 1. he/she must be a computer programer.
>> 2. he/she must know Kannada letters written in Traditional and Unicode
>> format.
>> 3. he/she should not VI person. A vi person can not access traditional
>> fonts.
>> 4. he/she must do the work as I am doing. If no will to serve, no way!
>>
>>
>> On 7/25/14, Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi  wrote:
>>> sir, how to convert fonts? What are the steps to follow?
>>>
>>> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
 hi,
 Soft copy,  but about what?
 What do you need?


 On 7/24/14, Ganesh Babu  wrote:
> Dear sir,
> I forget to tell you, PL send me soft copy
>
> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> There are some reasons:
>> 1. we are blind by eyes, they are blind by mind.
>> 2. In this world, a man quickly adopts bad things, but could not
>> abandon
>> it.
>> 3. A man is always reluctant to good cause and is hesitant to
>> practice
>> right things.
>> 4. Perhaps it is god's fault, he made human being so...
>> traditional system of character coding is far and far junior than uni
>> code.
>> Mind that the world is govern by virtual power but not by ground
>> reality.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/24/14, Bhavya shah  wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> I asked this on another thread on the same topic but thought to
>>> write
>>> it to this thread just  in case.
>>> Why do sighted people use ASCII more often than Unicode and why do
>>> they use ASCII anyways? Are there any advantages of ASCII over
>>> Unicode?
>>> ASCII & Unicode fall under the group of encoding systems, right?
>>> What does ASCII stand for?
>>>
>>> On 7/24/14, Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi 
>>> wrote:
 ok sir. I understood. Thanks for explaining.

 On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
> hi,
> question one:. What is difference between  ascii anci
> Answer:
> For general concept, they both fall under the category as one
> group
> element have different identification number but different group
> will
> use the same number with repeating of those numbers which were
> already
> used by another group.
> Question 2: Difference between unicode UTF8 and UTF16?
> Answer:
> I earlier have  explained  that letters converted in numbers,
> numbers
> in zero and one. The zer

Re: [AI] Introduction - Navin Kumar gohil

[bhawani shankar verma]

presently what about your occupation?

- Original Message - 
From: "Navin Kumar Gohil" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 5:55 PM
Subject: [AI] Introduction - Navin Kumar gohil



Hello all,



I am a new member who has joined this mailing list recently and the below 
is

a brief intro about myself.



First of all thanks to Shyam Sharma of Indore to introduce me to this
mailing list.



My name is Navin Kumar gohil and I am currently based in Nashik.

My educational background is Marine Engineering and I have experience of
over 20 years in commercial shipping (normally known as merchant navy) at
various positions/ranks in seagoing as well as shore based management with
last 4 years of my service being with Shipmanagement companies in 
Singapore.




I am a late blind person with blindness showering me at the age of 43 in 
Oct
2012 and thus I quit my job at shipping company at Singapore and shifted 
to

Nashik in Jan 2013. My blindness is due to Optic Neuritis/entropy and its
diagonised as auto-immune.



Thanks to excellent support provided by NAB,Nashik in re-orienting me for
use of computer with JAWS and special thanks to Mdm Vaishali in this 
regard.




Having undergone rehabilitation at Deptt. Of Rehab,NAB,Mumbai I have 
managed

to developed many skills to lead an independent life as a blind
person.thanks to the whole team of DOR,NAB for their excellent efforts.



I am currently still improvising my skill especially in adaptive 
technology

while always in look outfor suitable opportunity for future
engagement/involvement.



My hobbies include listening to music,reading books and going on long
drives.



I am currently living in Nashik with my home-maker wife and a school going
son.



A big thank you to Deepak Shaparia of Ahmedabad for their guidance and 
also

thanks to Balasaheb Londhe of Nashik for their tips specially on JAWS.



I am a man of few words but will try to contribute my view points/comments
in this august group once in a while.



Also a big believer that "Show must go on ... And along with it the 
journey

of life."



Wishing you all a peaceful and restful weekend.

Warm regards



Navin Kumar gohil









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Re: [AI] Introduction - Navin Kumar gohil

[Vamshi. G]

That was exactly going to be my question also.  I know few people from
professions which necessarily require vision becoming late blind and
struggle to continue  and unable to take another one at such stage of
life.  A few of these include doctors, architects, and like in the
present case, marine engineers, etc.  Professional rehabilitation in
these cases can not stop at learning jaws and mobility.

Naveen Kumar,

Please give a brief of your present occupation, if any, and your
future plans.  Please don't perceive this as an intrusion into your
personal life.  This is only to understand you better and, if
possible,  support you in pursuit of your goals.

On 7/25/14, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
> presently what about your occupation?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Navin Kumar Gohil" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 5:55 PM
> Subject: [AI] Introduction - Navin Kumar gohil
>
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a new member who has joined this mailing list recently and the below
>>
>> is
>> a brief intro about myself.
>>
>>
>>
>> First of all thanks to Shyam Sharma of Indore to introduce me to this
>> mailing list.
>>
>>
>>
>> My name is Navin Kumar gohil and I am currently based in Nashik.
>>
>> My educational background is Marine Engineering and I have experience of
>> over 20 years in commercial shipping (normally known as merchant navy) at
>> various positions/ranks in seagoing as well as shore based management
>> with
>> last 4 years of my service being with Shipmanagement companies in
>> Singapore.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a late blind person with blindness showering me at the age of 43 in
>> Oct
>> 2012 and thus I quit my job at shipping company at Singapore and shifted
>> to
>> Nashik in Jan 2013. My blindness is due to Optic Neuritis/entropy and its
>> diagonised as auto-immune.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks to excellent support provided by NAB,Nashik in re-orienting me for
>> use of computer with JAWS and special thanks to Mdm Vaishali in this
>> regard.
>>
>>
>>
>> Having undergone rehabilitation at Deptt. Of Rehab,NAB,Mumbai I have
>> managed
>> to developed many skills to lead an independent life as a blind
>> person.thanks to the whole team of DOR,NAB for their excellent efforts.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am currently still improvising my skill especially in adaptive
>> technology
>> while always in look outfor suitable opportunity for future
>> engagement/involvement.
>>
>>
>>
>> My hobbies include listening to music,reading books and going on long
>> drives.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am currently living in Nashik with my home-maker wife and a school
>> going
>> son.
>>
>>
>>
>> A big thank you to Deepak Shaparia of Ahmedabad for their guidance and
>> also
>> thanks to Balasaheb Londhe of Nashik for their tips specially on JAWS.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a man of few words but will try to contribute my view
>> points/comments
>> in this august group once in a while.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also a big believer that "Show must go on ... And along with it the
>> journey
>> of life."
>>
>>
>>
>> Wishing you all a peaceful and restful weekend.
>>
>> Warm regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Navin Kumar gohil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of
>>
>> mobile phones / Tabs on:
>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in
>>
>>
>> Search for old postings at:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/
>>
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>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in
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>> sent through this mailing list..
>
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Re: [AI] what is uniCode and why screen reader work only for uniCode texts?

[Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi]

yes sir, I asked about google translation. Nice explain! Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

On 7/25/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
> hi,
> I did not get your question clearly.
> Do you mean by google translate?
> Be clear in two point.
> 1. For computer system, The ASCII encoded ANSI format text of any
> language either Kannada or Nepali or Tamil are not local text but it
> takes all of them as English. Remember my example. If the code number
> is repeated for different language, all the text having same code
> number with English are consider as English letter by computer. but in
> the eye of the sited person they just look as local text.
> In screen they appear as local text but in computer memory they are
> consider as English letter.
> Imagine that if a man wears ladies dress like a sari and blouse, he
> looks like a lady but his sex remains as male. Same case happens.
> The ANSI coded letter appear like local text but their identity
> remains as English text because their code number is same as English
> letter have.
> They are fake local letters.
>
> 2. Since computer takes them as English letters, no question of
> translation by the computer itself.
> However, a sited man can do it by looking the fake face of the letter
> at screen and typing English letters.
>
> In conclusion, BE clear:
> ANSI/ASCII format text of any language of the world are English letters.
> The assumption as local text is totally fake like a man with sari is a
> fake women.
>
> .
>
>
>
>
> You need not translate Kannada text in Unicode to translate.
>
>
> On 7/25/14, Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi  wrote:
>> Sir, I think, if we want to translate any language to english then, we
>> have to use only unicode text right? for example, kannada to an
>> english. So, anci and ascii text will not useful to translate any
>> text. Sighted people should understood this fact. no need to use ascii
>> or anci text while typing indian languages. What you say?
>>
>> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
>>> hi,
>>> What do you mean by font converter now?
>>> I had already said that this word is meaning less.
>>> If you want to change a font, go to the font dropdown box, select the
>>> font of your choice and press enter.
>>> If you want the character code transfer to Unicode, as I had explained
>>> yesterday, some computer programmer must develop such converter which
>>> I had explained very earlier.
>>> First he/she must prepare the each code number of each alphabets of
>>> each font in Ascii
>>>  code and prepare the converter tool.
>>> Only A sited person who recognizes all Kannada letters, numbers and
>>> symbol of each traditional font can do it.
>>> A VI person or outsider who does not know Kannada can not do it.
>>> For this you need:
>>> 1. he/she must be a computer programer.
>>> 2. he/she must know Kannada letters written in Traditional and Unicode
>>> format.
>>> 3. he/she should not VI person. A vi person can not access traditional
>>> fonts.
>>> 4. he/she must do the work as I am doing. If no will to serve, no way!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/25/14, Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi  wrote:
 sir, how to convert fonts? What are the steps to follow?

 On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
> hi,
> Soft copy,  but about what?
> What do you need?
>
>
> On 7/24/14, Ganesh Babu  wrote:
>> Dear sir,
>> I forget to tell you, PL send me soft copy
>>
>> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> There are some reasons:
>>> 1. we are blind by eyes, they are blind by mind.
>>> 2. In this world, a man quickly adopts bad things, but could not
>>> abandon
>>> it.
>>> 3. A man is always reluctant to good cause and is hesitant to
>>> practice
>>> right things.
>>> 4. Perhaps it is god's fault, he made human being so...
>>> traditional system of character coding is far and far junior than
>>> uni
>>> code.
>>> Mind that the world is govern by virtual power but not by ground
>>> reality.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/24/14, Bhavya shah  wrote:
 Hi.
 I asked this on another thread on the same topic but thought to
 write
 it to this thread just  in case.
 Why do sighted people use ASCII more often than Unicode and why do
 they use ASCII anyways? Are there any advantages of ASCII over
 Unicode?
 ASCII & Unicode fall under the group of encoding systems, right?
 What does ASCII stand for?

 On 7/24/14, Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi 
 wrote:
> ok sir. I understood. Thanks for explaining.
>
> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
>> hi,
>> question one:. What is difference between  ascii anci
>> Answer:
>> For general concept, they both fall under the category as one
>> group
>> element have different identification number but different group
>> will
>> use the same number with repeating of those nu

Re: [AI] Introduction - Navin Kumar gohil

[George Abraham]

Well, we have a lady Doctor in Kerala who continues to work as Doc in the
Kerala Health services.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Vamshi. G
Sent: 25 July 2014 19:39
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Introduction - Navin Kumar gohil

That was exactly going to be my question also.  I know few people from
professions which necessarily require vision becoming late blind and
struggle to continue  and unable to take another one at such stage of
life.  A few of these include doctors, architects, and like in the
present case, marine engineers, etc.  Professional rehabilitation in
these cases can not stop at learning jaws and mobility.

Naveen Kumar,

Please give a brief of your present occupation, if any, and your
future plans.  Please don't perceive this as an intrusion into your
personal life.  This is only to understand you better and, if
possible,  support you in pursuit of your goals.

On 7/25/14, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
> presently what about your occupation?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Navin Kumar Gohil" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 5:55 PM
> Subject: [AI] Introduction - Navin Kumar gohil
>
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a new member who has joined this mailing list recently and the
below
>>
>> is
>> a brief intro about myself.
>>
>>
>>
>> First of all thanks to Shyam Sharma of Indore to introduce me to this
>> mailing list.
>>
>>
>>
>> My name is Navin Kumar gohil and I am currently based in Nashik.
>>
>> My educational background is Marine Engineering and I have experience of
>> over 20 years in commercial shipping (normally known as merchant navy)
at
>> various positions/ranks in seagoing as well as shore based management
>> with
>> last 4 years of my service being with Shipmanagement companies in
>> Singapore.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a late blind person with blindness showering me at the age of 43 in
>> Oct
>> 2012 and thus I quit my job at shipping company at Singapore and shifted
>> to
>> Nashik in Jan 2013. My blindness is due to Optic Neuritis/entropy and
its
>> diagonised as auto-immune.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks to excellent support provided by NAB,Nashik in re-orienting me
for
>> use of computer with JAWS and special thanks to Mdm Vaishali in this
>> regard.
>>
>>
>>
>> Having undergone rehabilitation at Deptt. Of Rehab,NAB,Mumbai I have
>> managed
>> to developed many skills to lead an independent life as a blind
>> person.thanks to the whole team of DOR,NAB for their excellent efforts.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am currently still improvising my skill especially in adaptive
>> technology
>> while always in look outfor suitable opportunity for future
>> engagement/involvement.
>>
>>
>>
>> My hobbies include listening to music,reading books and going on long
>> drives.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am currently living in Nashik with my home-maker wife and a school
>> going
>> son.
>>
>>
>>
>> A big thank you to Deepak Shaparia of Ahmedabad for their guidance and
>> also
>> thanks to Balasaheb Londhe of Nashik for their tips specially on JAWS.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a man of few words but will try to contribute my view
>> points/comments
>> in this august group once in a while.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also a big believer that "Show must go on ... And along with it the
>> journey
>> of life."
>>
>>
>>
>> Wishing you all a peaceful and restful weekend.
>>
>> Warm regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Navin Kumar gohil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility
of
>>
>> mobile phones / Tabs on:
>>
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dia.org.in
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] Please guide me about android mobile for c d m a and g s m a card.

[harbhajan singh]

hai dear
I suggest you to go for htc desire 700 because of its front dual
speakers with good sound output.  it will cost you around 18 k  with
android 4.1.  however, I have not used it personally.  if the prise is
an issue you can go for micromax phones prised about 10 k to 12 k.  I
also heard about moto g with gsm and CDMA options.
regards

On 24/07/2014, ramesh.bidwai1...@gmail.com  wrote:
>  respected  members ,i have tata  c d ma card  and  bsnl g s m a card  which
> mobile model is for dwel sim support ? Write about it.
>
>
>
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Re: [AI] Introduction - Navin Kumar gohil

[Vamshi. G]

I know her.  But she is not totally blind.  For a visually challenged
doctor to continue in the profession, the way should be to find
alternative methods of doing things which a sighted doctor does using
the vision.  Making diagnosis on basis of reports like stuff, to me,
does not imply continuing medical profession.  For example, what if a
surgeon becomes blind at the age of 50?  What about his
rehabilitation?  Is shifting to teaching to young medicos using his
experience the only option out?



On 7/25/14, George Abraham  wrote:
> Well, we have a lady Doctor in Kerala who continues to work as Doc in the
> Kerala Health services.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Vamshi. G
> Sent: 25 July 2014 19:39
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Introduction - Navin Kumar gohil
>
> That was exactly going to be my question also.  I know few people from
> professions which necessarily require vision becoming late blind and
> struggle to continue  and unable to take another one at such stage of
> life.  A few of these include doctors, architects, and like in the
> present case, marine engineers, etc.  Professional rehabilitation in
> these cases can not stop at learning jaws and mobility.
>
> Naveen Kumar,
>
> Please give a brief of your present occupation, if any, and your
> future plans.  Please don't perceive this as an intrusion into your
> personal life.  This is only to understand you better and, if
> possible,  support you in pursuit of your goals.
>
> On 7/25/14, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
>> presently what about your occupation?
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Navin Kumar Gohil" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 5:55 PM
>> Subject: [AI] Introduction - Navin Kumar gohil
>>
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a new member who has joined this mailing list recently and the
> below
>>>
>>> is
>>> a brief intro about myself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> First of all thanks to Shyam Sharma of Indore to introduce me to this
>>> mailing list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My name is Navin Kumar gohil and I am currently based in Nashik.
>>>
>>> My educational background is Marine Engineering and I have experience of
>>> over 20 years in commercial shipping (normally known as merchant navy)
> at
>>> various positions/ranks in seagoing as well as shore based management
>>> with
>>> last 4 years of my service being with Shipmanagement companies in
>>> Singapore.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a late blind person with blindness showering me at the age of 43 in
>>> Oct
>>> 2012 and thus I quit my job at shipping company at Singapore and shifted
>>> to
>>> Nashik in Jan 2013. My blindness is due to Optic Neuritis/entropy and
> its
>>> diagonised as auto-immune.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks to excellent support provided by NAB,Nashik in re-orienting me
> for
>>> use of computer with JAWS and special thanks to Mdm Vaishali in this
>>> regard.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Having undergone rehabilitation at Deptt. Of Rehab,NAB,Mumbai I have
>>> managed
>>> to developed many skills to lead an independent life as a blind
>>> person.thanks to the whole team of DOR,NAB for their excellent efforts.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am currently still improvising my skill especially in adaptive
>>> technology
>>> while always in look outfor suitable opportunity for future
>>> engagement/involvement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My hobbies include listening to music,reading books and going on long
>>> drives.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am currently living in Nashik with my home-maker wife and a school
>>> going
>>> son.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A big thank you to Deepak Shaparia of Ahmedabad for their guidance and
>>> also
>>> thanks to Balasaheb Londhe of Nashik for their tips specially on JAWS.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am a man of few words but will try to contribute my view
>>> points/comments
>>> in this august group once in a while.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also a big believer that "Show must go on ... And along with it the
>>> journey
>>> of life."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wishing you all a peaceful and restful weekend.
>>>
>>> Warm regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Navin Kumar gohil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> of
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Re: [AI] what is uniCode and why screen reader work only for uniCode texts?

[Ganesh Babu]

I need C programming notes

On 7/25/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
> hi,
> Soft copy,  but about what?
> What do you need?
>
>
> On 7/24/14, Ganesh Babu  wrote:
>> Dear sir,
>> I forget to tell you, PL send me soft copy
>>
>> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> There are some reasons:
>>> 1. we are blind by eyes, they are blind by mind.
>>> 2. In this world, a man quickly adopts bad things, but could not abandon
>>> it.
>>> 3. A man is always reluctant to good cause and is hesitant to practice
>>> right things.
>>> 4. Perhaps it is god's fault, he made human being so...
>>> traditional system of character coding is far and far junior than uni
>>> code.
>>> Mind that the world is govern by virtual power but not by ground
>>> reality.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/24/14, Bhavya shah  wrote:
 Hi.
 I asked this on another thread on the same topic but thought to write
 it to this thread just  in case.
 Why do sighted people use ASCII more often than Unicode and why do
 they use ASCII anyways? Are there any advantages of ASCII over
 Unicode?
 ASCII & Unicode fall under the group of encoding systems, right?
 What does ASCII stand for?

 On 7/24/14, Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi  wrote:
> ok sir. I understood. Thanks for explaining.
>
> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
>> hi,
>> question one:. What is difference between  ascii anci
>> Answer:
>> For general concept, they both fall under the category as one group
>> element have different identification number but different group will
>> use the same number with repeating of those numbers which were
>> already
>> used by another group.
>> Question 2: Difference between unicode UTF8 and UTF16?
>> Answer:
>> I earlier have  explained  that letters converted in numbers, numbers
>> in zero and one. The zero is taken as switch off no supply of
>> electricity) and one is converted as switch on supply electricity).
>> Finally every things is converted into how many times on the switch
>> and how many time off the switch.
>> Take a real example:
>> 65 is the code number of the English capital letter A.
>> If we convert the number 65 into one and zero (binary number) it
>> becomes  101
>> Count the number of zero and one here.
>> There is one at first and at last and rest are zero.
>> The total digit is seven.
>> It means switch the first one, switch off the second, third,
>> fourth,fifth, sixth and switch on the seventh. That is capital A.
>> This is only background information for your question.
>> Then what is utf-8 and 16 etc.
>> This is the span of a binary number.
>> Take an example:
>> you can write one as
>> 1
>> 01
>> 001
>> 0001
>> 1
>> 01
>> What is the different among these numbers?
>> In value all they are one but in digits they are different.
>>  01 is two digit and 01 is six digit.
>> Now go to back again.
>> each letter of each language of the world have an unique number
>> called
>> the uni Code.
>> English Capital has the code 65 but my Nepali ka has 2325.
>> if both letters converted into zero and one (binary number); A is 7
>> digit and my ka may have 12 digit and perhaps your Kannada ka may
>> have
>> sixteen digit.
>> Now if we want write all number of equal digit say sixteen; we have
>> to
>> add nine zeros in front of English A and four in front of my ka but
>> no
>> thing to add in front of your ka.
>> In brief, it is a process of maintaining the number with same digit.
>> If it is smaller than the set span, zero are added in front of it but
>> keeping the value same.
>> In conclusion, The bit expresses the length of digit.
>> question three: what is font convert?
>> Answer:
>> Basically it is not a font convert but converting the code number of
>> a
>> letter.
>> Remember my earlier example:
>> English 1, 2, 3, 4,  5, etc.
>> Russian 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc.
>> It is ASCII system.
>> In the same example I have written:
>> English: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,...
>> Russian 100, 101, 102, 103, etc
>> It is Uni Code system.
>>
>> Now Font convert means converting ASCII into uni Code numbering
>> system.
>> In the above example:
>> Converting Russian 1 into 100, 2 into 101, 3 into 102 etc. etc.
>> Making the ASCII code letter into uni Code letter
>> Hence The word Font convert is meaning less from real sense.
>>
>> On 7/24/14, Renuka Warriar Edakkunni  wrote:
>>> Superb explanation.
>>>
>>> Renuka.
>>>
>>> On 7/24/14, Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi 
>>> wrote:
 hi sir, nice explaination. What is difference between ascii anci
 and
 unicode UTF8 and UTF16? and what is font convert?

 On 7/23/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
> Hi list

Re: [AI] School for blind had no state recognition

[ghanshyam mohanta]

till the date the 1st blind school of india, which situated at
dehradun, now, named sharp memorial for the blind has not got any
financial aid from central/state government.

On 7/23/14, avinash shahi  wrote:
> Government abdicates its responsibility and NGOs make marry...
> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/School-for-blind-had-no-state-recognition/articleshow/38891507.cms
> KAKINADA: A day after the outrageous expose of the merciless thrashing
> of blind students at a school run by a voluntary organisation, a local
> court has sent the correspondent and principal of Good Field Blind
> School to remand, even as the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC)
> swung into action, taking suo motto cognizance of the offence and
> issuing notices to Andhra Pradesh chief secretary and East Godavari
> district collector. The NHRC said it has sought a reply from the
> district collector in four weeks.
>
> On Tuesday, the correspondent of the school KV Rao (the senior most
> administrator of the school after the principal) and the principal A
> Srinivas were booked under section 324 read with 34 of IPC
> (voluntarily causing hurt by dangerous weapons or means) and section
> 7/ 23 and 25 of the Juvenile Justice Act (punishment for cruelty to
> juvenile or child), all of which are said to be bailable.
>
> Meanwhile several irregularities have come to light in the running of
> the school, which was being run by the Good Field Trust. While the
> school did not have state government recognition, it is also learnt to
> have been encroaching on nearly two acres of panchayat land meant for
> community purposes.
>
> Villagers of Timmapuram panchayat said that while only 600 sq yd land
> was allotted to the school, the trust had constructed a boundary wall
> around the remaining vacant land kept aside for community purposes.
>
> "Till date, we were under the impression that the entire site belongs
> to the school trust. But revenue officials are now saying that they
> have not given any orders allowing the trust to occupy the remaining
> land," V Srinivasa Rao, a villager, said.
>
> According to sources, KV Rao managed to secure the site for the blind
> school at a site marked out for community purposes nearly four and a
> half years ago on humanitarian grounds with the help of the then
> district collector Ravi Chandra and Timmapuram sarpanch Bejawada
> Satyanaryana. According to Satyanaryana, who is also the Good Field
> Trust chairman, the Timmapuram village panchayat had adopted the
> resolution to allot part of the land marked for community purposes to
> the trust based on the recommendations of the then collector.
>
> Confirming that these irregularities had come to light, Kakinda
> Revenue Divisional Officer (RDO) told TOI that they were now searching
> for the proceedings of the former collector.
>
> "The school trust chairman is saying that collector had given the
> recommendation. On the other hand, the school does not have
> recognition. We have learnt that an NGO Good News set up the Green
> Field Trust to run the school. They are running the school illegally,"
> the RDO said.
>
> Interestingly, the correspondent of the school was working as a
> teacher in another blind school in Visakhapatnam and was on medical
> leave for the past few months. Rao, who is also visually impaired, had
> mercilessly thrashed the school inmates, all aged below 12 years,
> after they allegedly played outside the school premises.
>
> Meanwhile the AP Commission for Protection of Child Rights said in a
> release that its members would be visiting the blind school on
> Wednesday afternoon and would also hold meetings with the district
> collector and other district officials.
>
> On Tuesday, many parents took away their wards from the school and the
> remaining inmates were put under the surveillance of three teachers of
> the Sarva Siksha Abhayan scheme, the district education officer (DEO)
> Srinivasulu Reddy told mediapersons.
> --
> Avinash Shahi
> M.Phil Research Scholar
> Centre for The Study of Law and Governance
> Jawaharlal Nehru University
> New Delhi India
>
>
>
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Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

[navneet dubey]

hello mr . bhawani shankar verma
as you have suggested me earlier i am trying to fill i t r 1 form
online  so i am trying to do the same but i could not  download the
form 26 as when i click on link view form 26 as and select the year
2014-2015 and clicked on the link download / view form 26 as but
nothing is happening . please also tell me how can i download the i t
r v form because i have to send i t r v form to i t department after
submmiting the i t r 1 form .
navneet


On 7/24/14, Vedprakash Sharma  wrote:
> The filteration can be maintained through mobile verification also.
> All that is maintained through captcha, can be done through other
> accessible
> means also.
> PNB does not use captcha on its online banking facility and the site is one
> of the most secured one.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:11 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms
>
> Perhaps! It means we should not lock our houses when unmanned coz robbers
> know of breaking locks. Also, the CAPTCHA is generated using randomization
> logic which ensures that the same word or phrase doesn't go to two
> different
> requestors of the page. It's not for user or card protection rather it's
> for
> the web site to identify that the request is coming from a genuine human
> user and not via some robotic program or script.
>
>
>
> Some of the consequences of a site not being able to filter out robotic
> attempts include:
>
>
>
> 1.   The server becomes too busy serving malicious users.
>
> 2.   Requests from genuine users take too long and may even time out.
>
> 3.   Server hangs due to resource over-utilization and becomes
> non-responsive or even unavailable.
>
> 4.   Data loss and inconsistency
>
> How can this inability of a site to filter robotic attempts impact
> end-users?
>
>
>
> 1.   The user is transferring money to someone via NEFT, he feeds
> required data stepping through various steps and upon confirming the
> transaction details receives a server time-out. What an annoying experience
> would that be!
>
> 2.   The user is shopping on a site offering heavy discount for an
> hour,
> he selects the product, keys in the quantity and other preferences and
> proceeds to make payment. The transaction fails due to the bank server
> being
> heavily loaded. He attempts again and finds the shopping site unavailable
> for long. What a dissatisfying experience would that be!
>
>
>
> Again, the above listed scenarios may not be experienced everyday but the
> ones who experience them really feel horrible and may tend not to continue
> using such sites. Definitely CAPTCHA is not the only way of blocking
> malicious attacks from bots and scripts, the sites can devise better
> mechanism to handle such incidents with a little brainstorming on
> alternative ideas and innovation.
>
>
>
> Hope the above explanation is sufficient to understand that CAPTCHA have a
> purpose to serve for the sites implementing them and better alternatives do
> exist. The primary issue with CAPTCHA for us is that they are mostly
> inaccessible and even modern browsers do not have an in-built mechanism to
> solve them thus making us think that sites should get rid of them.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Zujar..
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of bhawani shankar verma
> Sent: 23 July 2014 07:45 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms
>
>
>
> whatever it is, still I don't accept any arguement on the support of this
> capture. if a hacker can hack the website, he can also develop a software
> for this capture. i am making payment through debit card. i have entered
> all
> my information correctly, being an IT student describe me what is the
> necesity of this capture their. if this capture would not be their, how
> this
> will be harmfull to me or my banker. the overall risk is at my side because
> my account is being debited. and i have the infromation regarding my debit
> card like expiry date etc. even i provide my card number, can anybody hack
> my card without knowing its pin number or expiry date? At the time of
> making
> payment, if any hacker is seeing my computer, then he can also see this
> capture and solve it. it is nothing more then a fobia.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Hozefa Tambawala" <  starh...@gmail.com>
>
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerningthe disabled." < 
> accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:56 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms
>
>
>
>
>
>> The purpose of CAPTCHA can bette

[AI] how to download i t r v form

[navneet dubey]

hello mr . bhawani shankar verma
as you have suggested me earlier i am trying to fill i t r 1 form
online  so i am trying to do the same but i could not  download the
form 26 as when i click on link view form 26 as and select the year
2014-2015 and clicked on the link download / view form 26 as but
nothing is happening . please also tell me how can i download the i t
r v form because i have to send i t r v form to i t department after
submmiting the i t r 1 form .
navneet


On 7/24/14, Vedprakash Sharma  wrote:
> The filteration can be maintained through mobile verification also.
> All that is maintained through captcha, can be done through other
> accessible
> means also.
> PNB does not use captcha on its online banking facility and the site is one
> of the most secured one.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:11 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms
>
> Perhaps! It means we should not lock our houses when unmanned coz robbers
> know of breaking locks. Also, the CAPTCHA is generated using randomization
> logic which ensures that the same word or phrase doesn't go to two
> different
> requestors of the page. It's not for user or card protection rather it's
> for
> the web site to identify that the request is coming from a genuine human
> user and not via some robotic program or script.
>
>
>
> Some of the consequences of a site not being able to filter out robotic
> attempts include:
>
>
>
> 1.   The server becomes too busy serving malicious users.
>
> 2.   Requests from genuine users take too long and may even time out.
>
> 3.   Server hangs due to resource over-utilization and becomes
> non-responsive or even unavailable.
>
> 4.   Data loss and inconsistency
>
> How can this inability of a site to filter robotic attempts impact
> end-users?
>
>
>
> 1.   The user is transferring money to someone via NEFT, he feeds
> required data stepping through various steps and upon confirming the
> transaction details receives a server time-out. What an annoying experience
> would that be!
>
> 2.   The user is shopping on a site offering heavy discount for an
> hour,
> he selects the product, keys in the quantity and other preferences and
> proceeds to make payment. The transaction fails due to the bank server
> being
> heavily loaded. He attempts again and finds the shopping site unavailable
> for long. What a dissatisfying experience would that be!
>
>
>
> Again, the above listed scenarios may not be experienced everyday but the
> ones who experience them really feel horrible and may tend not to continue
> using such sites. Definitely CAPTCHA is not the only way of blocking
> malicious attacks from bots and scripts, the sites can devise better
> mechanism to handle such incidents with a little brainstorming on
> alternative ideas and innovation.
>
>
>
> Hope the above explanation is sufficient to understand that CAPTCHA have a
> purpose to serve for the sites implementing them and better alternatives do
> exist. The primary issue with CAPTCHA for us is that they are mostly
> inaccessible and even modern browsers do not have an in-built mechanism to
> solve them thus making us think that sites should get rid of them.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Zujar..
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of bhawani shankar verma
> Sent: 23 July 2014 07:45 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms
>
>
>
> whatever it is, still I don't accept any arguement on the support of this
> capture. if a hacker can hack the website, he can also develop a software
> for this capture. i am making payment through debit card. i have entered
> all
> my information correctly, being an IT student describe me what is the
> necesity of this capture their. if this capture would not be their, how
> this
> will be harmfull to me or my banker. the overall risk is at my side because
> my account is being debited. and i have the infromation regarding my debit
> card like expiry date etc. even i provide my card number, can anybody hack
> my card without knowing its pin number or expiry date? At the time of
> making
> payment, if any hacker is seeing my computer, then he can also see this
> capture and solve it. it is nothing more then a fobia.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Hozefa Tambawala" <  starh...@gmail.com>
>
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerningthe disabled." < 
> accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:56 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms
>
>
>
>
>
>> The purpose of CAPTCHA can bette

[AI] Fwd: need your urjent advice on Himalaya Outbound Programme

[Ajay Minocha]

Hi friends,
As many of you might have seen my earlier email on trecking, I have
received the final communication from PGP office regarding the same.
The mail forwarded below contains the necessary details about the
places which can be chosen by us for the trip.
Though it is completely optional for me but still I can't afford to
miss out on this wonderful opportunity!
Therefore, I request those who have any experience with trecking to go
through the email carefully and suggest me the most accessible place.
Please write me back before tomorrow night as I have to complete a lot
of further formalities as well.
Thanks in advance,
Ajay
-- Forwarded message --
From: PGP Office 
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 17:46:45 +0530
Subject: Himalaya Outbound Programme
To: pgp2 
Cc: "Chair, PGP" , Sanjay C Choudhari
, Yogesh Maheshwari ,
PGP Office , Acad Com 

Dear All,



Please note, the Outbound Exercises in Himalayas (Himalaya Programme) is
scheduled from October 12 to 18, 2014.



Participants will be going to four locations:



a)  Nainital (handled by Van Nivas Ashram at Nanital, 110 students)



b)  Bedni Bugyal (handled by Indiahikes in 2 batches at interval of 1
day, 50 + 50  = 100 students)



c)  Kedarkantha (handled by Indiahikes in 2 batches at interval of 1
day, 50 + 50  = 100 students)



d) Dayara Bugyal (handled by Indiahikes in 2 batches at interval of 1
day, 50 + 50  = 100 students)



Participants are required to form the group of 9 OR 10 members with one
Group leader. Each group should give their preference to one of the above
location.


Data of each group should include Roll no, Name, Mobile, parent
(father/mother/guardian) mobile no of each student with their preferred
location (Excel file). We need to finalize so that group/group member can
book their railway/air ticket to respective destination as per schedule.



As communicated earlier a briefing session has been scheduled on August 07,
2014.



Acad Com may please coordinate to float a Google Form and complete the
process of forming groups by July 29, 2014.


Thanks


PGP Office



-- 
Ajay Minocha
PGP 2013-15 Section F
IIM Indore
Cell: +919584076767



-- 
Ajay Minocha
Mob : +91-9584076767
E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com
p13aj...@iimidr.ac.in
Skype: ajayminocha2



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Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

[Kakarla Nageswaraiah]

Yes, Inclusive Education is not practical in rural areas where parents
are mostly illiterate or semiliterate, poor and do not have the time,
patience, understanding and interest to address the problems of the
disabled students.  Also, such students do not organise that easily to
fight for their rights.  IE is useful only in cities where NGOs are
active and parents are educated and well-off.
Regards.


On 7/25/14, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
> could we have any experience from very rural place where a blind student
> studied in a regular primary govt school.  where the family has no money to
>
> pay heavy fees of english medium public schools?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Renuka Warriar Edakkunni
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 10:27 AM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerningthe disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide
>
> Hi all,
> Since I was not totally blind I took my studies in normal school only.
> But even then, nobody considered me a disabled child, rather took me
> only one among them, and I  never had the feeling that I was
> different.  Of course, whenever I need any help from my friends or
> teachers, they were more than happy to provide it.
>
> Renuka.
>
> On 7/25/14, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>> Dil ke khush rakhne ko ghalib khayal achha hay!!
>>
>> Anyway, all this presupposes that a blind child would be well above
>> average
>> in dealing withlife, and society also in turn would be far mature and
>> sophisticated.
>>
>> My simple question is:
>> does a blind person not have the right to be just average?
>>
>>
>> With thanks and regards
>>
>>
>> (Rajesh Asudani)
>>
>> Assistant General Manager
>> Market Intelligence Unit
>> Reserve Bank of India
>> Nagpur
>>
>> Tel.: 0712 2806358
>> (In youth you want things, and then in middle-age you want to want them.)
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of George Abraham
>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:51 AM
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>> suicide
>>
>> Just as we expect and campaign for an accessible World to live in our
>> education system is expected to be accessible in all its dimensions.
>> Technologies used , strategies deployed have to not only create a level
>> playing field but also  provide all children with choices to learn and do
>> things. For example if blind children are allowed the option of writing
>> exams using computers then all children must have the choice of using
>> computers. The problems arise when you have special solutions deployed
>> for
>> so called special children and in the process isolate. Inclusion has to
>> happen with a universal design outlook. Inclusion is not just about
>> placing
>> disabled children in a mainstream school and addressing their special
>> needs. Inclusion is about a class room that is accessible, a pedagogy
>> that
>> reaches out to all children in class, a curriculum that is more focused
>> towards skill development rather than being content heavy. In other words
>> inclusive education should not be a cut and paste job to accommodate
>> disabled children but needs to be looked at afresh with a lens of
>> universal
>> design that addresses the diversity.
>>
>> Given the fact that we the blind want opportunities in the World, we need
>> to
>> 1. see how we can be empowered  enough to be part of the World
>> 2. The people around needs to be given sufficient opportunity to see,
>> understand and appreciate the potential of all of us so that their
>> hesitation, reluctance and resistence to including us  is wiped out.
>>
>> We live in an imperfect World. There is a constant room for improvement.
>> Nothing stops us from aspiring for a better World. We are not compelled
>> to
>> settle for inadequate options. We need to keep the big picture in mind
>> and
>> strive to eliminate the limitations of the systems and create a better
>> World for our selves There are problems with the way inclusion is
>> happening. We would be well served if we look at finding solutions to the
>> challenges we face rather than merely sitting back and being critical of
>> the structures. Problems are there we need to look for the way forward.
>> If
>> we want to be included then we need to strive for inclusion right from
>> the
>> beginning so that we are equipped and so is the World equipped to
>> include.
>>
>> The World and life is driven by our dreams and aspirations together with
>> our desire to make the dream real.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of avinash shahi
>> Sent: 24 July 2014 22:51
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted

Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

[Soni Jo]

I would differ and disagree with Vidhya. I lost my eye sight when I
was five years old and since I was six years old I was part of an
inclusive education system. In the entire school it was just me who
was different and my second class friends use to dictate to me
whatever was on the black board. In fact I was the most popular girl
and never missed an opportunity to climb up the trees or play chase
and catch.
Moreover, I had another challenge besides being visually imapired that
was communication impairment. I knew only Hindi and my father got
transferred to Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu where every one speaks Tamil.
But I managed very well. That was the time I myself was understand
what was happening to me and it took me so long to realise that I was
different because I had such healthy inclusive atmosphere.

 I had very rich experience and I can go on narrating. So, one cannot
generalise and it is a matter for going lucky, how one see oneself and
lot more.
Lets be the change which we desire to see in our society.
Keep hoping!


On 7/26/14, Kakarla Nageswaraiah  wrote:
> Yes, Inclusive Education is not practical in rural areas where parents
> are mostly illiterate or semiliterate, poor and do not have the time,
> patience, understanding and interest to address the problems of the
> disabled students.  Also, such students do not organise that easily to
> fight for their rights.  IE is useful only in cities where NGOs are
> active and parents are educated and well-off.
> Regards.
>
>
> On 7/25/14, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
>> could we have any experience from very rural place where a blind student
>> studied in a regular primary govt school.  where the family has no money
>> to
>>
>> pay heavy fees of english medium public schools?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Renuka Warriar Edakkunni
>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 10:27 AM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerningthe disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>> suicide
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Since I was not totally blind I took my studies in normal school only.
>> But even then, nobody considered me a disabled child, rather took me
>> only one among them, and I  never had the feeling that I was
>> different.  Of course, whenever I need any help from my friends or
>> teachers, they were more than happy to provide it.
>>
>> Renuka.
>>
>> On 7/25/14, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>>> Dil ke khush rakhne ko ghalib khayal achha hay!!
>>>
>>> Anyway, all this presupposes that a blind child would be well above
>>> average
>>> in dealing withlife, and society also in turn would be far mature and
>>> sophisticated.
>>>
>>> My simple question is:
>>> does a blind person not have the right to be just average?
>>>
>>>
>>> With thanks and regards
>>>
>>>
>>> (Rajesh Asudani)
>>>
>>> Assistant General Manager
>>> Market Intelligence Unit
>>> Reserve Bank of India
>>> Nagpur
>>>
>>> Tel.: 0712 2806358
>>> (In youth you want things, and then in middle-age you want to want them.)
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of George Abraham
>>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:51 AM
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>>> suicide
>>>
>>> Just as we expect and campaign for an accessible World to live in our
>>> education system is expected to be accessible in all its dimensions.
>>> Technologies used , strategies deployed have to not only create a level
>>> playing field but also  provide all children with choices to learn and do
>>> things. For example if blind children are allowed the option of writing
>>> exams using computers then all children must have the choice of using
>>> computers. The problems arise when you have special solutions deployed
>>> for
>>> so called special children and in the process isolate. Inclusion has to
>>> happen with a universal design outlook. Inclusion is not just about
>>> placing
>>> disabled children in a mainstream school and addressing their special
>>> needs. Inclusion is about a class room that is accessible, a pedagogy
>>> that
>>> reaches out to all children in class, a curriculum that is more focused
>>> towards skill development rather than being content heavy. In other words
>>> inclusive education should not be a cut and paste job to accommodate
>>> disabled children but needs to be looked at afresh with a lens of
>>> universal
>>> design that addresses the diversity.
>>>
>>> Given the fact that we the blind want opportunities in the World, we need
>>> to
>>> 1. see how we can be empowered  enough to be part of the World
>>> 2. The people around needs to be given sufficient opportunity to see,
>>> understand and appreciate the potential of all of us so that their
>>> hesitation, reluctance and resistence to including us  is wiped out.

Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

[bhawani shankar verma]

select assessment year 2014-15 or financial year 2013-14 whatever is 
applicabal. there is a combo box where you can find view as html, txt or 
download as pdf.


- Original Message - 
From: "navneet dubey" 
To: ; "AccessIndia: a list for discussing 
accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled." 


Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms



hello mr . bhawani shankar verma
as you have suggested me earlier i am trying to fill i t r 1 form
online  so i am trying to do the same but i could not  download the
form 26 as when i click on link view form 26 as and select the year
2014-2015 and clicked on the link download / view form 26 as but
nothing is happening . please also tell me how can i download the i t
r v form because i have to send i t r v form to i t department after
submmiting the i t r 1 form .
navneet


On 7/24/14, Vedprakash Sharma  wrote:

The filteration can be maintained through mobile verification also.
All that is maintained through captcha, can be done through other
accessible
means also.
PNB does not use captcha on its online banking facility and the site is 
one

of the most secured one.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:11 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

Perhaps! It means we should not lock our houses when unmanned coz robbers
know of breaking locks. Also, the CAPTCHA is generated using 
randomization

logic which ensures that the same word or phrase doesn't go to two
different
requestors of the page. It's not for user or card protection rather it's
for
the web site to identify that the request is coming from a genuine human
user and not via some robotic program or script.



Some of the consequences of a site not being able to filter out robotic
attempts include:



1.   The server becomes too busy serving malicious users.

2.   Requests from genuine users take too long and may even time out.

3.   Server hangs due to resource over-utilization and becomes
non-responsive or even unavailable.

4.   Data loss and inconsistency

How can this inability of a site to filter robotic attempts impact
end-users?



1.   The user is transferring money to someone via NEFT, he feeds
required data stepping through various steps and upon confirming the
transaction details receives a server time-out. What an annoying 
experience

would that be!

2.   The user is shopping on a site offering heavy discount for an
hour,
he selects the product, keys in the quantity and other preferences and
proceeds to make payment. The transaction fails due to the bank server
being
heavily loaded. He attempts again and finds the shopping site unavailable
for long. What a dissatisfying experience would that be!



Again, the above listed scenarios may not be experienced everyday but the
ones who experience them really feel horrible and may tend not to 
continue

using such sites. Definitely CAPTCHA is not the only way of blocking
malicious attacks from bots and scripts, the sites can devise better
mechanism to handle such incidents with a little brainstorming on
alternative ideas and innovation.



Hope the above explanation is sufficient to understand that CAPTCHA have 
a
purpose to serve for the sites implementing them and better alternatives 
do

exist. The primary issue with CAPTCHA for us is that they are mostly
inaccessible and even modern browsers do not have an in-built mechanism 
to

solve them thus making us think that sites should get rid of them.



Best Regards,

Zujar..



-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of bhawani shankar verma
Sent: 23 July 2014 07:45 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms



whatever it is, still I don't accept any arguement on the support of this
capture. if a hacker can hack the website, he can also develop a software
for this capture. i am making payment through debit card. i have entered
all
my information correctly, being an IT student describe me what is the
necesity of this capture their. if this capture would not be their, how
this
will be harmfull to me or my banker. the overall risk is at my side 
because
my account is being debited. and i have the infromation regarding my 
debit
card like expiry date etc. even i provide my card number, can anybody 
hack

my card without knowing its pin number or expiry date? At the time of
making
payment, if any hacker is seeing my computer, then he can also see this
capture and solve it. it is nothing more then a fobia.



- Original Message -

From: "Hozefa Tambawala" <  
starh...@gmail.com>


To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning

Re: [AI] how to download i t r v form

[bhawani shankar verma]

after successfull  submission of ITR there would be a link represent the 
acknowledge number of your ITRV. press enter on it and follow the 
instructions.


- Original Message - 
From: "navneet dubey" 
To: ; "AccessIndia: a list for discussing 
accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled." 


Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 11:30 PM
Subject: [AI] how to download i t r v form



hello mr . bhawani shankar verma
as you have suggested me earlier i am trying to fill i t r 1 form
online  so i am trying to do the same but i could not  download the
form 26 as when i click on link view form 26 as and select the year
2014-2015 and clicked on the link download / view form 26 as but
nothing is happening . please also tell me how can i download the i t
r v form because i have to send i t r v form to i t department after
submmiting the i t r 1 form .
navneet


On 7/24/14, Vedprakash Sharma  wrote:

The filteration can be maintained through mobile verification also.
All that is maintained through captcha, can be done through other
accessible
means also.
PNB does not use captcha on its online banking facility and the site is 
one

of the most secured one.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:11 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

Perhaps! It means we should not lock our houses when unmanned coz robbers
know of breaking locks. Also, the CAPTCHA is generated using 
randomization

logic which ensures that the same word or phrase doesn't go to two
different
requestors of the page. It's not for user or card protection rather it's
for
the web site to identify that the request is coming from a genuine human
user and not via some robotic program or script.



Some of the consequences of a site not being able to filter out robotic
attempts include:



1.   The server becomes too busy serving malicious users.

2.   Requests from genuine users take too long and may even time out.

3.   Server hangs due to resource over-utilization and becomes
non-responsive or even unavailable.

4.   Data loss and inconsistency

How can this inability of a site to filter robotic attempts impact
end-users?



1.   The user is transferring money to someone via NEFT, he feeds
required data stepping through various steps and upon confirming the
transaction details receives a server time-out. What an annoying 
experience

would that be!

2.   The user is shopping on a site offering heavy discount for an
hour,
he selects the product, keys in the quantity and other preferences and
proceeds to make payment. The transaction fails due to the bank server
being
heavily loaded. He attempts again and finds the shopping site unavailable
for long. What a dissatisfying experience would that be!



Again, the above listed scenarios may not be experienced everyday but the
ones who experience them really feel horrible and may tend not to 
continue

using such sites. Definitely CAPTCHA is not the only way of blocking
malicious attacks from bots and scripts, the sites can devise better
mechanism to handle such incidents with a little brainstorming on
alternative ideas and innovation.



Hope the above explanation is sufficient to understand that CAPTCHA have 
a
purpose to serve for the sites implementing them and better alternatives 
do

exist. The primary issue with CAPTCHA for us is that they are mostly
inaccessible and even modern browsers do not have an in-built mechanism 
to

solve them thus making us think that sites should get rid of them.



Best Regards,

Zujar..



-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of bhawani shankar verma
Sent: 23 July 2014 07:45 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms



whatever it is, still I don't accept any arguement on the support of this
capture. if a hacker can hack the website, he can also develop a software
for this capture. i am making payment through debit card. i have entered
all
my information correctly, being an IT student describe me what is the
necesity of this capture their. if this capture would not be their, how
this
will be harmfull to me or my banker. the overall risk is at my side 
because
my account is being debited. and i have the infromation regarding my 
debit
card like expiry date etc. even i provide my card number, can anybody 
hack

my card without knowing its pin number or expiry date? At the time of
making
payment, if any hacker is seeing my computer, then he can also see this
capture and solve it. it is nothing more then a fobia.



- Original Message -

From: "Hozefa Tambawala" <  
starh...@gmail.com>


To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerningthe disabled." 

Re: [AI] what is uniCode and why screen reader work only for uniCode texts?

[Him Prasad Gautam]

hi,
Sorry I do not have.
I belong to a different profession than computer/software technology.
It is my off hour work.
I have not formally learn computer from any one half an hour in my life.
I am self taught person, no note, see the help file of the system
which you wish to learn.




On 7/25/14, Ganesh Babu  wrote:
> I need C programming notes
>
> On 7/25/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
>> hi,
>> Soft copy,  but about what?
>> What do you need?
>>
>>
>> On 7/24/14, Ganesh Babu  wrote:
>>> Dear sir,
>>> I forget to tell you, PL send me soft copy
>>>
>>> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
 Hi,
 There are some reasons:
 1. we are blind by eyes, they are blind by mind.
 2. In this world, a man quickly adopts bad things, but could not
 abandon
 it.
 3. A man is always reluctant to good cause and is hesitant to practice
 right things.
 4. Perhaps it is god's fault, he made human being so...
 traditional system of character coding is far and far junior than uni
 code.
 Mind that the world is govern by virtual power but not by ground
 reality.



 On 7/24/14, Bhavya shah  wrote:
> Hi.
> I asked this on another thread on the same topic but thought to write
> it to this thread just  in case.
> Why do sighted people use ASCII more often than Unicode and why do
> they use ASCII anyways? Are there any advantages of ASCII over
> Unicode?
> ASCII & Unicode fall under the group of encoding systems, right?
> What does ASCII stand for?
>
> On 7/24/14, Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi  wrote:
>> ok sir. I understood. Thanks for explaining.
>>
>> On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:
>>> hi,
>>> question one:. What is difference between  ascii anci
>>> Answer:
>>> For general concept, they both fall under the category as one group
>>> element have different identification number but different group
>>> will
>>> use the same number with repeating of those numbers which were
>>> already
>>> used by another group.
>>> Question 2: Difference between unicode UTF8 and UTF16?
>>> Answer:
>>> I earlier have  explained  that letters converted in numbers,
>>> numbers
>>> in zero and one. The zero is taken as switch off no supply of
>>> electricity) and one is converted as switch on supply electricity).
>>> Finally every things is converted into how many times on the switch
>>> and how many time off the switch.
>>> Take a real example:
>>> 65 is the code number of the English capital letter A.
>>> If we convert the number 65 into one and zero (binary number) it
>>> becomes  101
>>> Count the number of zero and one here.
>>> There is one at first and at last and rest are zero.
>>> The total digit is seven.
>>> It means switch the first one, switch off the second, third,
>>> fourth,fifth, sixth and switch on the seventh. That is capital A.
>>> This is only background information for your question.
>>> Then what is utf-8 and 16 etc.
>>> This is the span of a binary number.
>>> Take an example:
>>> you can write one as
>>> 1
>>> 01
>>> 001
>>> 0001
>>> 1
>>> 01
>>> What is the different among these numbers?
>>> In value all they are one but in digits they are different.
>>>  01 is two digit and 01 is six digit.
>>> Now go to back again.
>>> each letter of each language of the world have an unique number
>>> called
>>> the uni Code.
>>> English Capital has the code 65 but my Nepali ka has 2325.
>>> if both letters converted into zero and one (binary number); A is 7
>>> digit and my ka may have 12 digit and perhaps your Kannada ka may
>>> have
>>> sixteen digit.
>>> Now if we want write all number of equal digit say sixteen; we have
>>> to
>>> add nine zeros in front of English A and four in front of my ka but
>>> no
>>> thing to add in front of your ka.
>>> In brief, it is a process of maintaining the number with same digit.
>>> If it is smaller than the set span, zero are added in front of it
>>> but
>>> keeping the value same.
>>> In conclusion, The bit expresses the length of digit.
>>> question three: what is font convert?
>>> Answer:
>>> Basically it is not a font convert but converting the code number of
>>> a
>>> letter.
>>> Remember my earlier example:
>>> English 1, 2, 3, 4,  5, etc.
>>> Russian 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc.
>>> It is ASCII system.
>>> In the same example I have written:
>>> English: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,...
>>> Russian 100, 101, 102, 103, etc
>>> It is Uni Code system.
>>>
>>> Now Font convert means converting ASCII into uni Code numbering
>>> system.
>>> In the above example:
>>> Converting Russian 1 into 100, 2 into 101, 3 into 102 etc. etc.
>>> Making the ASCII code letter into uni Code letter

Re: [AI] how to download i t r v form

[sidnc1986_gmail]

Thanks a lot people for this discussion! I could submit the ITR-1 form and 
send across the ITR-V to Bengaluru.


With best regards,
Siddhant Chothe
Skype/Facebook/Twitter: sidnc86
Website: http://www.techvision.net.in

"I am the imperfect perfectionist perfectionizing the imperfect in me!"


--
From: "bhawani shankar verma" 
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 7:22 AM
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning 
thedisabled." 

Subject: Re: [AI] how to download i t r v form

after successfull  submission of ITR there would be a link represent the 
acknowledge number of your ITRV. press enter on it and follow the 
instructions.


- Original Message - 
From: "navneet dubey" 
To: ; "AccessIndia: a list for discussing 
accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled." 


Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 11:30 PM
Subject: [AI] how to download i t r v form



hello mr . bhawani shankar verma
as you have suggested me earlier i am trying to fill i t r 1 form
online  so i am trying to do the same but i could not  download the
form 26 as when i click on link view form 26 as and select the year
2014-2015 and clicked on the link download / view form 26 as but
nothing is happening . please also tell me how can i download the i t
r v form because i have to send i t r v form to i t department after
submmiting the i t r 1 form .
navneet


On 7/24/14, Vedprakash Sharma  wrote:

The filteration can be maintained through mobile verification also.
All that is maintained through captcha, can be done through other
accessible
means also.
PNB does not use captcha on its online banking facility and the site is 
one

of the most secured one.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of Zujar Shabbir Kanchwala
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:11 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms

Perhaps! It means we should not lock our houses when unmanned coz 
robbers
know of breaking locks. Also, the CAPTCHA is generated using 
randomization

logic which ensures that the same word or phrase doesn't go to two
different
requestors of the page. It's not for user or card protection rather it's
for
the web site to identify that the request is coming from a genuine human
user and not via some robotic program or script.



Some of the consequences of a site not being able to filter out robotic
attempts include:



1.   The server becomes too busy serving malicious users.

2.   Requests from genuine users take too long and may even time 
out.


3.   Server hangs due to resource over-utilization and becomes
non-responsive or even unavailable.

4.   Data loss and inconsistency

How can this inability of a site to filter robotic attempts impact
end-users?



1.   The user is transferring money to someone via NEFT, he feeds
required data stepping through various steps and upon confirming the
transaction details receives a server time-out. What an annoying 
experience

would that be!

2.   The user is shopping on a site offering heavy discount for an
hour,
he selects the product, keys in the quantity and other preferences and
proceeds to make payment. The transaction fails due to the bank server
being
heavily loaded. He attempts again and finds the shopping site 
unavailable

for long. What a dissatisfying experience would that be!



Again, the above listed scenarios may not be experienced everyday but 
the
ones who experience them really feel horrible and may tend not to 
continue

using such sites. Definitely CAPTCHA is not the only way of blocking
malicious attacks from bots and scripts, the sites can devise better
mechanism to handle such incidents with a little brainstorming on
alternative ideas and innovation.



Hope the above explanation is sufficient to understand that CAPTCHA have 
a
purpose to serve for the sites implementing them and better alternatives 
do

exist. The primary issue with CAPTCHA for us is that they are mostly
inaccessible and even modern browsers do not have an in-built mechanism 
to

solve them thus making us think that sites should get rid of them.



Best Regards,

Zujar..



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From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of bhawani shankar verma
Sent: 23 July 2014 07:45 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and 
issuesconcerning

the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Inaccessible Java based ITR forms



whatever it is, still I don't accept any arguement on the support of 
this
capture. if a hacker can hack the website, he can also develop a 
software

for this capture. i am making payment through debit card. i have entered
all
my information correctly, being an IT student describe me what is the
necesity of this capture their. if this capture would not be their, how
this
will be harmfull to me or my banker. the overall risk is at my side 
b

Re: [AI] what is uniCode and why screen reader work only foruniCode texts?

[sidnc1986_gmail]

To understand what ASCII is, in any MS Windows system, within Notepad, try 
keystroke combination ALT+[NumPad numbers upto 127]. You will discover that 
numbers between ALT+48 and ALT+57 are digits we use. Numbers between ALT+65 
and ALT+90 are capital alphabets. And finally, numbers between ALT+97 and 
ALT+122 are small alphabets. These are the characters produced with ASCII is 
an encoding system using 7 bits to represent a character. In scripts like 
Japanese, Devnagari, etc the number of characters of all scripts is so high 
that you cannot fit all of them within about 128 representations (using just 
one byte=8 bits). Unicode system uses 2 bytes (16 bits) for representing 
characters and hence allows to accommodate wider range of scripts.


Hope this proves to be useful.
With best regards,
Siddhant Chothe
Skype/Facebook/Twitter: sidnc86
Website: http://www.techvision.net.in

"I am the imperfect perfectionist perfectionizing the imperfect in me!"


--
From: "Him Prasad Gautam" 
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 9:20 AM
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled." 
Subject: Re: [AI] what is uniCode and why screen reader work only foruniCode 
texts?



hi,
Sorry I do not have.
I belong to a different profession than computer/software technology.
It is my off hour work.
I have not formally learn computer from any one half an hour in my life.
I am self taught person, no note, see the help file of the system
which you wish to learn.




On 7/25/14, Ganesh Babu  wrote:

I need C programming notes

On 7/25/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:

hi,
Soft copy,  but about what?
What do you need?


On 7/24/14, Ganesh Babu  wrote:

Dear sir,
I forget to tell you, PL send me soft copy

On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:

Hi,
There are some reasons:
1. we are blind by eyes, they are blind by mind.
2. In this world, a man quickly adopts bad things, but could not
abandon
it.
3. A man is always reluctant to good cause and is hesitant to practice
right things.
4. Perhaps it is god's fault, he made human being so...
traditional system of character coding is far and far junior than uni
code.
Mind that the world is govern by virtual power but not by ground
reality.



On 7/24/14, Bhavya shah  wrote:

Hi.
I asked this on another thread on the same topic but thought to write
it to this thread just  in case.
Why do sighted people use ASCII more often than Unicode and why do
they use ASCII anyways? Are there any advantages of ASCII over
Unicode?
ASCII & Unicode fall under the group of encoding systems, right?
What does ASCII stand for?

On 7/24/14, Siddalingeshwar Ingalagi  wrote:

ok sir. I understood. Thanks for explaining.

On 7/24/14, Him Prasad Gautam  wrote:

hi,
question one:. What is difference between  ascii anci
Answer:
For general concept, they both fall under the category as one group
element have different identification number but different group
will
use the same number with repeating of those numbers which were
already
used by another group.
Question 2: Difference between unicode UTF8 and UTF16?
Answer:
I earlier have  explained  that letters converted in numbers,
numbers
in zero and one. The zero is taken as switch off no supply of
electricity) and one is converted as switch on supply electricity).
Finally every things is converted into how many times on the switch
and how many time off the switch.
Take a real example:
65 is the code number of the English capital letter A.
If we convert the number 65 into one and zero (binary number) it
becomes  101
Count the number of zero and one here.
There is one at first and at last and rest are zero.
The total digit is seven.
It means switch the first one, switch off the second, third,
fourth,fifth, sixth and switch on the seventh. That is capital A.
This is only background information for your question.
Then what is utf-8 and 16 etc.
This is the span of a binary number.
Take an example:
you can write one as
1
01
001
0001
1
01
What is the different among these numbers?
In value all they are one but in digits they are different.
 01 is two digit and 01 is six digit.
Now go to back again.
each letter of each language of the world have an unique number
called
the uni Code.
English Capital has the code 65 but my Nepali ka has 2325.
if both letters converted into zero and one (binary number); A is 7
digit and my ka may have 12 digit and perhaps your Kannada ka may
have
sixteen digit.
Now if we want write all number of equal digit say sixteen; we have
to
add nine zeros in front of English A and four in front of my ka but
no
thing to add in front of your ka.
In brief, it is a process of maintaining the number with same 
digit.

If it is smaller than the set span, zero are added in front of it
but
keeping the value same.
In conclusion, The bit expresses the length of digit.
question three: what is font convert?
Answer:
Basically it is not a font convert but converting the code n

Re: [AI] About PPT presentation

[Rejin Jose k.]

yes. i'm using windows 7 with ms office 2007.

On 7/24/14, Harikrishnan.G.  wrote:
> I successfully attempted it in MS office 2003 with windows XP. Would like to
>
> know, can we read word by word and sentence by sentence in the slide?
> Regards.
> Harikrishnan G.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rejin Jose k." 
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerningthe disabled." 
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] About PPT presentation
>
>
>> hello,
>> it is not working. while i press f6 it speaks some buttons and the menu.
>>
>> On 7/23/14, Vidhya Y  wrote:
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> You can present the seminar just like your class mates without any
>>> problem.
>>> Its better to take help of your Friends while preparing the Slides.
>>> that way you can be sure if everything is neatly formatted.
>>> once the PPT is ready, its simple to present.
>>> when you make the slides, make sure only the points are present using
>>> Bullets.
>>> once you open the ppt, press f6.
>>> this will give you the list of slides.
>>> when you hear slide1, use tab till you hear body.
>>> then press enter.
>>> then read the point with jaws and explain the point.
>>> your class mates can see the cursor, as and when you use down arrow to
>>> read so there will not be any problem.
>>> when you are done with the first slide press escape and use down arrow
>>> to go to the next slide and repeat the procedure.
>>> its better to have only points in the slide
>>> and you should know the explanation by heart.
>>>  that way   your classmates do not have to wait till you read the
>>> explanation.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> Vidhya.
>>>
>>> On 7/23/14, Rejin Jose k.  wrote:
 hello dear experts,
 as the subject line says i have some questions regarding PPt
 presentation. is it possible to deliver a seminar along with PPt
 presentation  for me. i'm a graduate student. i'm using jaws for my
 studies along with dell inspiron laptop. can a visually challenged can
 do PPT in a good manner. if it is yes,please guide me to do that. i
 dont have any wireless headphones. laptop is permitted for me in my
 college. so please give me the tips to do the presentation in a better
 way. it is an urgent question.
 waiting for your valuable replies.

 --
 With Warm Regards,
 Rejin Jose
 email:m2re...@gmail.com
 cell:8281293699

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Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

[George Abraham]

We can go on till the cows come home saying Inclusive Education has this 
problem and that problem and consign  it to the dust bin. Or wait  till some 
young guy comes up and does some research and tells as to what are the gaps in 
the way it is being implemented today.  The way forward calls for a vision and 
an holistic understanding. Solutions have to be found.

This discussion has seen  very rich sharing of anecdotes and experiences and it 
has thrown up a number of gaps and challenges that Inclusive Education as it 
stands today faces. This can be a starting point. We can find a number of 
solutions and ideas if we were to put our heads together. I for one plan to 
read through the various inputs on this thread and see if something can be made 
out of it.  



-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Soni Jo
Sent: 26 July 2014 05:41
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

I would differ and disagree with Vidhya. I lost my eye sight when I
was five years old and since I was six years old I was part of an
inclusive education system. In the entire school it was just me who
was different and my second class friends use to dictate to me
whatever was on the black board. In fact I was the most popular girl
and never missed an opportunity to climb up the trees or play chase
and catch.
Moreover, I had another challenge besides being visually imapired that
was communication impairment. I knew only Hindi and my father got
transferred to Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu where every one speaks Tamil.
But I managed very well. That was the time I myself was understand
what was happening to me and it took me so long to realise that I was
different because I had such healthy inclusive atmosphere.

 I had very rich experience and I can go on narrating. So, one cannot
generalise and it is a matter for going lucky, how one see oneself and
lot more.
Lets be the change which we desire to see in our society.
Keep hoping!


On 7/26/14, Kakarla Nageswaraiah  wrote:
> Yes, Inclusive Education is not practical in rural areas where parents
> are mostly illiterate or semiliterate, poor and do not have the time,
> patience, understanding and interest to address the problems of the
> disabled students.  Also, such students do not organise that easily to
> fight for their rights.  IE is useful only in cities where NGOs are
> active and parents are educated and well-off.
> Regards.
>
>
> On 7/25/14, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
>> could we have any experience from very rural place where a blind student
>> studied in a regular primary govt school.  where the family has no money
>> to
>>
>> pay heavy fees of english medium public schools?
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Renuka Warriar Edakkunni
>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 10:27 AM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerningthe disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>> suicide
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Since I was not totally blind I took my studies in normal school only.
>> But even then, nobody considered me a disabled child, rather took me
>> only one among them, and I  never had the feeling that I was
>> different.  Of course, whenever I need any help from my friends or
>> teachers, they were more than happy to provide it.
>>
>> Renuka.
>>
>> On 7/25/14, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
>>> Dil ke khush rakhne ko ghalib khayal achha hay!!
>>>
>>> Anyway, all this presupposes that a blind child would be well above
>>> average
>>> in dealing withlife, and society also in turn would be far mature and
>>> sophisticated.
>>>
>>> My simple question is:
>>> does a blind person not have the right to be just average?
>>>
>>>
>>> With thanks and regards
>>>
>>>
>>> (Rajesh Asudani)
>>>
>>> Assistant General Manager
>>> Market Intelligence Unit
>>> Reserve Bank of India
>>> Nagpur
>>>
>>> Tel.: 0712 2806358
>>> (In youth you want things, and then in middle-age you want to want them.)
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of George Abraham
>>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:51 AM
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>>> suicide
>>>
>>> Just as we expect and campaign for an accessible World to live in our
>>> education system is expected to be accessible in all its dimensions.
>>> Technologies used , strategies deployed have to not only create a level
>>> playing field but also  provide all children with choices to learn and do
>>> things. For example if blind children are allowed the option of writing
>>> exams using computers then all children must have the choice of using
>>> computers. The problems arise when you 

Re: [AI] About PPT presentation

[Pranav Lal]

Hi,

When presenting, you must use slide show mode. If you are sing jaws, when
you invoke slide show mode, jaws renders the text in a virtual buffer. Your
regular arrow keys work to navigate between lines. You can navigate
character by character and word by word. Please read the the jaws help on
PowerPoint.

Pranav

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Vidhya Y
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 10:40 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] About PPT presentation

if you use f5, it takes you to slide show.
but I am using word 10 and jaws 13.
I am not that comfortable with slide show mode.
when I open the ppt, if I press f6, Jaws reads "to select an object
press tab slide area".
after that you will be able to access the ppt as I told you earlier.
if you would have pressed any other key accidentally and then used f6,
then it wont work.
try closing and opening the PPT again.

On 7/25/14, Pranav Lal  wrote:
> F5 is the key you want. It takes you into slide show mode.
>
> Pranav
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf
> Of Rejin Jose k.
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:43 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] About PPT presentation
>
> hello,
> it is not working. while i press f6 it speaks some buttons and the menu.
>
> On 7/23/14, Vidhya Y  wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> You can present the seminar just like your class mates without any
> problem.
>> Its better to take help of your Friends while preparing the Slides.
>> that way you can be sure if everything is neatly formatted.
>> once the PPT is ready, its simple to present.
>> when you make the slides, make sure only the points are present using
>> Bullets.
>> once you open the ppt, press f6.
>> this will give you the list of slides.
>> when you hear slide1, use tab till you hear body.
>> then press enter.
>> then read the point with jaws and explain the point.
>> your class mates can see the cursor, as and when you use down arrow to
>> read so there will not be any problem.
>> when you are done with the first slide press escape and use down arrow
>> to go to the next slide and repeat the procedure.
>> its better to have only points in the slide
>> and you should know the explanation by heart.
>>  that way   your classmates do not have to wait till you read the
>> explanation.
>>
>> regards,
>> Vidhya.
>>
>> On 7/23/14, Rejin Jose k.  wrote:
>>> hello dear experts,
>>> as the subject line says i have some questions regarding PPt
>>> presentation. is it possible to deliver a seminar along with PPt
>>> presentation  for me. i'm a graduate student. i'm using jaws for my
>>> studies along with dell inspiron laptop. can a visually challenged can
>>> do PPT in a good manner. if it is yes,please guide me to do that. i
>>> dont have any wireless headphones. laptop is permitted for me in my
>>> college. so please give me the tips to do the presentation in a better
>>> way. it is an urgent question.
>>> waiting for your valuable replies.
>>>
>>> --
>>> With Warm Regards,
>>> Rejin Jose
>>> email:m2re...@gmail.com
>>> cell:8281293699
>>>
>>> Have a Great Day..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility
>>> of
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>>>
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> ia.org.in
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Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide

[Avichal Bhatnagar]

In rural areas if there are illiterate parents, it doesn't at all
become a bareer for inclusive education.
In NAB hostel, we had a large number of students belonging to rural
areas. Most of them became very bright and successful due to inclusive
education.

On 7/26/14, George Abraham  wrote:
> We can go on till the cows come home saying Inclusive Education has this
> problem and that problem and consign  it to the dust bin. Or wait  till some
> young guy comes up and does some research and tells as to what are the gaps
> in the way it is being implemented today.  The way forward calls for a
> vision and an holistic understanding. Solutions have to be found.
>
> This discussion has seen  very rich sharing of anecdotes and experiences and
> it has thrown up a number of gaps and challenges that Inclusive Education as
> it stands today faces. This can be a starting point. We can find a number of
> solutions and ideas if we were to put our heads together. I for one plan to
> read through the various inputs on this thread and see if something can be
> made out of it.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Soni Jo
> Sent: 26 July 2014 05:41
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted suicide
>
> I would differ and disagree with Vidhya. I lost my eye sight when I
> was five years old and since I was six years old I was part of an
> inclusive education system. In the entire school it was just me who
> was different and my second class friends use to dictate to me
> whatever was on the black board. In fact I was the most popular girl
> and never missed an opportunity to climb up the trees or play chase
> and catch.
> Moreover, I had another challenge besides being visually imapired that
> was communication impairment. I knew only Hindi and my father got
> transferred to Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu where every one speaks Tamil.
> But I managed very well. That was the time I myself was understand
> what was happening to me and it took me so long to realise that I was
> different because I had such healthy inclusive atmosphere.
>
>  I had very rich experience and I can go on narrating. So, one cannot
> generalise and it is a matter for going lucky, how one see oneself and
> lot more.
> Lets be the change which we desire to see in our society.
> Keep hoping!
>
>
> On 7/26/14, Kakarla Nageswaraiah  wrote:
>> Yes, Inclusive Education is not practical in rural areas where parents
>> are mostly illiterate or semiliterate, poor and do not have the time,
>> patience, understanding and interest to address the problems of the
>> disabled students.  Also, such students do not organise that easily to
>> fight for their rights.  IE is useful only in cities where NGOs are
>> active and parents are educated and well-off.
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>> On 7/25/14, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
>>> could we have any experience from very rural place where a blind student
>>> studied in a regular primary govt school.  where the family has no money
>>> to
>>>
>>> pay heavy fees of english medium public schools?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Renuka Warriar Edakkunni
>>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 10:27 AM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerningthe disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
>>> suicide
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> Since I was not totally blind I took my studies in normal school only.
>>> But even then, nobody considered me a disabled child, rather took me
>>> only one among them, and I  never had the feeling that I was
>>> different.  Of course, whenever I need any help from my friends or
>>> teachers, they were more than happy to provide it.
>>>
>>> Renuka.
>>>
>>> On 7/25/14, Asudani, Rajesh  wrote:
 Dil ke khush rakhne ko ghalib khayal achha hay!!

 Anyway, all this presupposes that a blind child would be well above
 average
 in dealing withlife, and society also in turn would be far mature and
 sophisticated.

 My simple question is:
 does a blind person not have the right to be just average?


 With thanks and regards


 (Rajesh Asudani)

 Assistant General Manager
 Market Intelligence Unit
 Reserve Bank of India
 Nagpur

 Tel.: 0712 2806358
 (In youth you want things, and then in middle-age you want to want
 them.)


 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of George Abraham
 Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 7:51 AM
 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.'
 Subject: Re: [AI] Insulted by a university teacher, blind attempted
 suicide

 Just as we expect and campaign for an accessible Wo

[AI] What schools must learn By: Devi Kar

[avinash shahi]

The recent rape of a Class I child inside a school in Bangalore served
as a wake-up call for schools across the country. The incident aroused
intense emotions and unprecedented protests by the parents, who
demanded justice and that immediate action be taken by the Karnataka
government. Unfortunately, every "incident", major or minor, tends to
be politicised. Irrespective of politics or government action, we need
to get down to making our schools safe.
http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/what-schools-must-learn/99/
First off, it is imperative that every school accepts that it is
responsible for the children in its custody for the period that they
are on the premises. The fine print and clauses included in the
document that parents are made to sign at the time of admission cannot
absolve the school of this responsibility.

A thorough background check must be carried out before any member of
teaching or non-teaching staff -- permanent, temporary or "casual" -- is
appointed. Even teachers and family members can be guilty of child
abuse, and the brutal reality is that the incidence of same-sex
offences is increasing.

There is much talk of putting CCTVs everywhere. No doubt we need to be
vigilant, but being watched in every corner of your school and
playground is a suffocating thought for any child. So the strategic
positioning of CCTVs has to be carefully and sensibly planned. Equally
important is the constant monitoring of the CCTV footage. After all,
the main purpose of this exercise is to prevent crime. The
apprehension of perpetrators after the crime has been committed is of
secondary importance.

Identity cards displaying names prominently should be worn by staff
and students, while all visitors should carry official passes that may
be issued on arrival and taken back at departure. Some schools have a
policy of designating a trusted female teacher on duty with any male
coach, instructor or professional who has been hired for co-curricular
activities. Schools that provide a bus service need to take several
precautions. My school has a woman attendant on every bus in addition
to the bus driver and conductor. A student travelling by school bus is
brought back to school if her escort is not waiting at the stop to
collect her.

With regard to ferrying children to and from school, it is worrying to
see girls being escorted by drivers and domestic workers, and
commercial carpool drivers taking single-handed charge of very large
groups of children. A school may not have the right to dictate to
parents the mode of their children's transportation, but it could
encourage the formation of intra-school carpools. This involves
parents taking turns to escort a small group of children to school and
back. The Kolkata police had started this initiative to counter the
risks that were being posed by commercial carpools. But it was not
pursued. However, schools could try to promote this by informing
parents of students residing in their neighbourhood or at locations
along their respective routes.

There have been long debates on whether it is a school's
responsibility to educate children about sex and sexuality. A
structured sex education programme is, till date, absent from our
curriculum, while most parents do not appear to tackle the task on
their own. We have to accept the power of the media and information
technology -- in spite of child locks on television sets and computers,
it is impossible to protect children from exposure to sex and
violence. Newspapers, family magazines, music videos and even
advertisements feature material that many parents would not want their
young children to engage with. Even if a child only has monitored
internet access at home, the Net could freely be available to her on a
friend's smartphone. It is naive to think we can control or censor
what our children are exposed to.

In this scenario, we have groups of extremely muddled children,
adolescents and young adults. They pick up information willy-nilly
from various sources. Some start experimenting and run into serious
trouble ranging from mental distress to unwanted pregnancies and
sexually transmitted diseases. And all along, they have to pretend
innocence at home and in school. Is appropriate sex education the
answer to this complex and dangerous situation?

Sex education is not only about teaching children to protect
themselves from potential rapists and alerting them to the dangers of
sexual activity. It is much more. If schools decide to embark on a sex
education programme, they should see to it that trained, competent and
sensitive people are employed to conduct it. In the aftermath of the
Bangalore rape incident, it was alarming to see little kindergarten
girls holding placards saying, "My body is not your playground".

The writer is director, Modern High School for Girls, Kolkata


-- 
Avinash Shahi
M.Phil Research Scholar
Centre for The Study of Law and Governance
Jawaharlal Nehru University
New Delhi India



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