Re: [AI] Smart workarounds

[Vikas Kapoor]

I don't think the Play Store will ever give an older version of WhatsAp? Even 
today, it isn't showing any update to the app! My current version of whatsapp 
is 2.16.352, update date, November 11. And the version of Eye-D is 3.4.3, 
update date, November 26.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Shaswat Jena 
  To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled. 
  Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 12:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [AI] Smart workarounds


  Mujeeb,

  The pro / paid version will support a large of languages including Indian
  regional languages. We will be rolling out the pro version of the by the
  end of Jan 1st week at a very nominal subscription fee.

  Sinoj,

  Glad that you found the app helpful, As mentioned earlier the advanced OCR
  will have options to save, share and other features which will be included
  in the paid / pro version of Eye-D app.

  Vikas,

  Thanks for bringing forward the issue. I would still say that there seems
  to be some issue with your version of WhatsApp. We checked for the issue
  with latest version of Eye-D and WhatsApp everything seems to work
  flawlessly without any issue. We even checked this with both JPEG and PNG
  files there was slight performance degrade for PNG images which will fix in
  next updates.

  Regards,
  Shaswat

  On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Vikas Kapoor  wrote:

  > The problem is not with the printed documents as you are suggesting, the
  > problem is with exporting the what sap images to be able to read them out.
  > As I reported earlier, everything was fine, but once I performed a factory
  > reset on my phone, the problem started coming in. I assume if I'd installed
  > both these applications on my phone day before yesterday, the apps might be
  > having the latest versions.
  >   - Original Message -
  >   From: Shaswat Jena
  >   To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
  > concerning the disabled.
  >   Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:56 AM
  >   Subject: Re: [AI] Smart workarounds
  >
  >
  >   Hello All,
  >
  >   I'm Shaswat from Eye-D. I'm really sorry that some of your are not being
  >   able to use the app. Please note that there was an similar issue with the
  >   Facebook app which resulted in the failure of image sharing and
  > processing
  >   it externally earlier, so I would suggest you to update your Eye-D app
  > and
  >   WhatsApp as no such issue is being observed on our end.
  >
  >   Gufran / Vikas,
  >
  >   For better results results please try to hold your phone 15-20 cms above
  >   the printed document for now. We will be rolling out major OCR and
  > feature
  >   upgrades gradually to improve your app experience.
  >
  >   Thank you Satguru for answering the queries :)
  >
  >   Please do let me know if you have any queries and suggestions.
  >
  >   Regards,
  >   Shaswat
  >
  >   Eye-D 
  >
  >   https://in.linkedin.com/in/shaswatjena
  >
  >   National Award Winner (Best Innovators of 2016
  >   )
  >
  >
  >   On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Mujeeb Rahman  >
  >   wrote:
  >
  >   > Super!!
  >   >
  >   > On 11/29/16, shankar shan  wrote:
  >   > > 1. open WhatsApp.
  >   > > 2. go to the chat from which you got the image.
  >   > > 3. select the image by dubble tap and long press.
  >   > > 4. click on share.
  >   > > 5. click on image recagnation  eye-d app, and wait for the results
  >   > > from the talkback.
  >   > >
  >   > > note: you need internet connection to use this service.
  >   > >
  >   > > yes, you can solve the captcha using this app, but, you need to work
  >   > > around with it.
  >   > >
  >   > > here, guess work takes place.
  >   > >
  >   > > you cant expect perfect solution from this app.
  >   > >
  >   > > this is just my opinion.
  >   > >
  >   > >
  >   > >
  >   > >
  >   > > On 11/29/16, Mujeeb Rahman  wrote:
  >   > >> Whatsapp images too will be read! sounds amazing and interesting!!
  >   > >> Request the steps..
  >   > >>
  >   > >> On 11/29/16, shankar shan  wrote:
  >   > >>> exactly, and also, without sighted assistance,  you can read all
  > the
  >   > >>> information from the image  which you will get on WhatsApp and
  > other
  >   > >>> social networking sites.
  >   > >>> currently, the app is supporting the default language, bbut,its not
  >   > >>> supporting for other languages.
  >   > >>>
  >   > >>> if the person using Arabic language in there windows, it will be
  > very
  >   > >>> much trubble for them, hence, the app developers has to add the
  >   > >>> international and indian languages with the app, so that, all
  > lingual
  >   > >>> people might benifited.
  >   > >>>
  >   > >>>
  >   > >>> On 11/28/16, Prashant Naik  wrote:
  >   >  Hi,
  >   > 
  >   >  As mentioned in the subject sharing one smart workaround. Such
  >   >  workarounds
  >   >  we all must have innova

Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

[avinash shahi]

How do you know it? 0.5 per cent each is expected to be divided
between totally blind and low-vision categories. I've made a cursory
read on the amendments and asking the biggest question why the
government has not yet specified in clear terms about how the 4 per
cent reservation will be distributed among increased categories in the
proposed Bill. The instances abound where the low-vision have hundred
per cent certificate and the sighted people have low-vision
certificate and they are using the document to sail through in the
government jobs. Government is hellbent in giving certificate but what
about the menace of fake certificates? what does the law say about it?
I don't know.  Many states including Himachal Pradesh, Bihar and Uttar
Pradesh have publickly affirmed that they don't want totally blind
people in their offices at any cost. In fact majority of government
offices don't want those who can't talk in their eyes.  Where do we go
from here, in hell perhaps.  people living in the cities and those
already employed are fortunate ones. and those who've sound family
support system and keep on teaching list that 'something is good than
nothing' will continue to sing the government version song  for their
personal goals. They are very much in demand for awards. And they will
continue to play partisan role to be patronized. upcoming times are
not gonna be rosy, be prepared and learn the art to face the bumpy
road from the so called 'normal' and from our own blind friends who
are there to collaborate to make you 'inspirational' and 'role
models'; cause being ordinary is an extraordinary crime if you are
disabled...
 On 12/7/16, akshun mahajan  wrote:
> reservation of blind will not be tempered.
>
> On 12/7/16, Mujeeb Rahman  wrote:
>> Indeed its a serius issue and needs urgent intervention  of hon. Supreme
>> Court..
>>
>> On 12/7/16, B. R. Nautial  wrote:
>>> I think, this is the total falior of our people, those were involve with
>>> this issue cause they couldn't keep our view point strongly. In my
>>> openion,
>>> through this bill, visually impaired will be isolated from the main
>>> stream.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Sakina Dhariwala " 
>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled." 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 7:40 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>>
>>>
 Hi mem, the propose of 4 percent for job, but what about totally blind?
 With warm regards Sakina.

 - Original Message -
 From: "Kanchan Pamnani" 
 To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning the disabled.'" 
 Sent: December 06, 2016 10:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information


> No it isn’t.
> It was 5% in 2014 and we lost 1% to  the infighting and the great non
> strategic thinking from our leaders and thinkers.
> Kanchan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf Of Mujeeb Rahman
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:28 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> Have a single question: is 4% reservation in government jobs
> sufficient for 21 types of disabilities??
> On 12/2/16, George Abraham  wrote:
>> Suggest a hair cut!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Kanchan Pamnani
>> Sent: 02 December 2016 13:54
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>> Yes the law has gotten delayed. Some of it is our own fault and some
>> circumstantial. shall I have a hair cut or will you insist I go bald?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Asudani, Rajesh
>> Sent: 02 December 2016 11:51
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>> Well, let me pose it this way:
>> will it make any difference on the ground?
>>
>> Anyway, let it come, now.
>> I have won the bate, Kanchan, if you remember!
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Kanchan Pamnani
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 5:35 PM
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: 

Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from indianrail.gov.in

[Aravind R]

oh ok sir thank you. i thought wrongly that we r also included.

On 12/7/16, bhawani shankar verma  wrote:
> no aadhar will be required for senior citizens only.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Aravind R
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 12:16 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from
> indianrail.gov.in
>
> and one more thing is concession is not applicable unless we give
> aadhar number with our railway from april first onwards i think.
>
> On 12/7/16, Vishnu Ramchandani  wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> It has come to my notice that indianrail.gov.in is not showing the
>> concessional fare enquiry. When I try to view the fare by selecting the
>> appropriate category from the 'concession' dropdown list, clicking on
>> 'get
>> fare' button displays the following message:
>> "the conc is not valid for this date, please try again".
>>
>> Has indianrail.gov.in removed such fare enquiry from its system or the
>> issue
>> is temporary, I am unable to figure it out. I am trying to view fare
>> since
>> past few days but it shows me the same error. If it has been removed from
>> their website, then is there any other way to view the concession fare
>> enquiry? Have you tried to view the concessional fare enquiry from
>> indianrail? If yes, do post your experience.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Vishnu
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Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

[Aravind R]

then what is the use of new category people added here?
is there any benefit they get apart from reservation?

On 12/7/16, akshun mahajan  wrote:
> well I have different view Mr. rungta is trying every best possibility
> to ensure protection of rights of blind.
> we must support him since he  is tirelessly working on RPD bill and
> ensuring our rights
>
>
> On 12/7/16, akshun mahajan  wrote:
>> reservation of blind will not be tempered.
>>
>> On 12/7/16, Mujeeb Rahman  wrote:
>>> Indeed its a serius issue and needs urgent intervention  of hon. Supreme
>>> Court..
>>>
>>> On 12/7/16, B. R. Nautial  wrote:
 I think, this is the total falior of our people, those were involve with
 this issue cause they couldn't keep our view point strongly. In my
 openion,
 through this bill, visually impaired will be isolated from the main
 stream.
 - Original Message -
 From: "Sakina Dhariwala " 
 To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled." 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 7:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information


> Hi mem, the propose of 4 percent for job, but what about totally blind?
> With warm regards Sakina.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" 
> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning the disabled.'" 
> Sent: December 06, 2016 10:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
>
>> No it isn’t.
>> It was 5% in 2014 and we lost 1% to  the infighting and the great non
>> strategic thinking from our leaders and thinkers.
>> Kanchan
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of Mujeeb Rahman
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:28 PM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>> Have a single question: is 4% reservation in government jobs
>> sufficient for 21 types of disabilities??
>> On 12/2/16, George Abraham  wrote:
>>> Suggest a hair cut!
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Kanchan Pamnani
>>> Sent: 02 December 2016 13:54
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>>
>>> Yes the law has gotten delayed. Some of it is our own fault and some
>>> circumstantial. shall I have a hair cut or will you insist I go bald?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Asudani, Rajesh
>>> Sent: 02 December 2016 11:51
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>>
>>> Well, let me pose it this way:
>>> will it make any difference on the ground?
>>>
>>> Anyway, let it come, now.
>>> I have won the bate, Kanchan, if you remember!
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Kanchan Pamnani
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 5:35 PM
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>>
>>> So are we getting a better law than the bill we had in February 2014
>>> or
>>> a
>>> diluted version? The bill has been systematically diluted over the
>>> last
>>> 2
>>> years.
>>> Are we going to take responsibility for the delay and the dilution?
>>> I hope I am wrong and we get a better law soon however public
>>> statements
>>>
>>> etc
>>> make me feelvery anxious.
>>> I am sure we will be better than in 1996  but are we better than what
>>> we
>>>
>>> had
>>> in 2014?
>>> All the effort from 2009 may only bring some results.
>>> Do we have to wait for 2036?
>>> My prayers are for the sector and my fingers are crossed.
>>> Kanchan
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of George Abraham
>>> Sent: 01 December 2016 16:47
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>>
>>> Mr

Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from indianrail.gov.in

[mukesh jain]

the same thing is even happening while booking the tickets through
IRCTC despite filling all the details of concessional cards.

On 12/7/16, Aravind R  wrote:
> and one more thing is concession is not applicable unless we give
> aadhar number with our railway from april first onwards i think.
>
> On 12/7/16, Vishnu Ramchandani  wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> It has come to my notice that indianrail.gov.in is not showing the
>> concessional fare enquiry. When I try to view the fare by selecting the
>> appropriate category from the 'concession' dropdown list, clicking on
>> 'get
>> fare' button displays the following message:
>> "the conc is not valid for this date, please try again".
>>
>> Has indianrail.gov.in removed such fare enquiry from its system or the
>> issue
>> is temporary, I am unable to figure it out. I am trying to view fare
>> since
>> past few days but it shows me the same error. If it has been removed from
>> their website, then is there any other way to view the concession fare
>> enquiry? Have you tried to view the concessional fare enquiry from
>> indianrail? If yes, do post your experience.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Vishnu
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>
>
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>
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>
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Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from indianrail.gov.in

[bhawani shankar verma]

it is removed from their website and required to take the matter with CRIS. 
however you can still book concession tickets through IRCTC and counters. 
further we have to manually calculate estimated concessional fair.



-Original Message- 
From: Vishnu Ramchandani

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 11:33 AM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.'
Subject: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from 
indianrail.gov.in


Dear All,

It has come to my notice that indianrail.gov.in is not showing the 
concessional fare enquiry. When I try to view the fare by selecting the 
appropriate category from the 'concession' dropdown list, clicking on 'get 
fare' button displays the following message:

"the conc is not valid for this date, please try again".

Has indianrail.gov.in removed such fare enquiry from its system or the issue 
is temporary, I am unable to figure it out. I am trying to view fare since 
past few days but it shows me the same error. If it has been removed from 
their website, then is there any other way to view the concession fare 
enquiry? Have you tried to view the concessional fare enquiry from 
indianrail? If yes, do post your experience.


Regards,
Vishnu
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Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from indianrail.gov.in

[bhawani shankar verma]

no aadhar will be required for senior citizens only.


-Original Message- 
From: Aravind R

Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 12:16 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from 
indianrail.gov.in


and one more thing is concession is not applicable unless we give
aadhar number with our railway from april first onwards i think.

On 12/7/16, Vishnu Ramchandani  wrote:

Dear All,

It has come to my notice that indianrail.gov.in is not showing the
concessional fare enquiry. When I try to view the fare by selecting the
appropriate category from the 'concession' dropdown list, clicking on 'get
fare' button displays the following message:
"the conc is not valid for this date, please try again".

Has indianrail.gov.in removed such fare enquiry from its system or the 
issue

is temporary, I am unable to figure it out. I am trying to view fare since
past few days but it shows me the same error. If it has been removed from
their website, then is there any other way to view the concession fare
enquiry? Have you tried to view the concessional fare enquiry from
indianrail? If yes, do post your experience.

Regards,
Vishnu
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Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

[akshun mahajan]

well I have different view Mr. rungta is trying every best possibility
to ensure protection of rights of blind.
we must support him since he  is tirelessly working on RPD bill and
ensuring our rights


On 12/7/16, akshun mahajan  wrote:
> reservation of blind will not be tempered.
>
> On 12/7/16, Mujeeb Rahman  wrote:
>> Indeed its a serius issue and needs urgent intervention  of hon. Supreme
>> Court..
>>
>> On 12/7/16, B. R. Nautial  wrote:
>>> I think, this is the total falior of our people, those were involve with
>>> this issue cause they couldn't keep our view point strongly. In my
>>> openion,
>>> through this bill, visually impaired will be isolated from the main
>>> stream.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Sakina Dhariwala " 
>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled." 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 7:40 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>>
>>>
 Hi mem, the propose of 4 percent for job, but what about totally blind?
 With warm regards Sakina.

 - Original Message -
 From: "Kanchan Pamnani" 
 To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning the disabled.'" 
 Sent: December 06, 2016 10:08 PM
 Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information


> No it isn’t.
> It was 5% in 2014 and we lost 1% to  the infighting and the great non
> strategic thinking from our leaders and thinkers.
> Kanchan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf Of Mujeeb Rahman
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:28 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> Have a single question: is 4% reservation in government jobs
> sufficient for 21 types of disabilities??
> On 12/2/16, George Abraham  wrote:
>> Suggest a hair cut!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Kanchan Pamnani
>> Sent: 02 December 2016 13:54
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>> Yes the law has gotten delayed. Some of it is our own fault and some
>> circumstantial. shall I have a hair cut or will you insist I go bald?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Asudani, Rajesh
>> Sent: 02 December 2016 11:51
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>> Well, let me pose it this way:
>> will it make any difference on the ground?
>>
>> Anyway, let it come, now.
>> I have won the bate, Kanchan, if you remember!
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Kanchan Pamnani
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 5:35 PM
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>> So are we getting a better law than the bill we had in February 2014
>> or
>> a
>> diluted version? The bill has been systematically diluted over the
>> last
>> 2
>> years.
>> Are we going to take responsibility for the delay and the dilution?
>> I hope I am wrong and we get a better law soon however public
>> statements
>>
>> etc
>> make me feelvery anxious.
>> I am sure we will be better than in 1996  but are we better than what
>> we
>>
>> had
>> in 2014?
>> All the effort from 2009 may only bring some results.
>> Do we have to wait for 2036?
>> My prayers are for the sector and my fingers are crossed.
>> Kanchan
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of George Abraham
>> Sent: 01 December 2016 16:47
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>> Mr Rungta has sent an Email confirming the news of the cabinet
>> approving
>>
>> the
>> RPD bill. Perhaps he is in a position to furnish the source!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>

Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

[akshun mahajan]

reservation of blind will not be tempered.

On 12/7/16, Mujeeb Rahman  wrote:
> Indeed its a serius issue and needs urgent intervention  of hon. Supreme
> Court..
>
> On 12/7/16, B. R. Nautial  wrote:
>> I think, this is the total falior of our people, those were involve with
>> this issue cause they couldn't keep our view point strongly. In my
>> openion,
>> through this bill, visually impaired will be isolated from the main
>> stream.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sakina Dhariwala " 
>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled." 
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 7:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>>
>>> Hi mem, the propose of 4 percent for job, but what about totally blind?
>>> With warm regards Sakina.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" 
>>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning the disabled.'" 
>>> Sent: December 06, 2016 10:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>>
>>>
 No it isn’t.
 It was 5% in 2014 and we lost 1% to  the infighting and the great non
 strategic thinking from our leaders and thinkers.
 Kanchan

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf Of Mujeeb Rahman
 Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:28 PM
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

 Have a single question: is 4% reservation in government jobs
 sufficient for 21 types of disabilities??
 On 12/2/16, George Abraham  wrote:
> Suggest a hair cut!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of Kanchan Pamnani
> Sent: 02 December 2016 13:54
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning
> the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> Yes the law has gotten delayed. Some of it is our own fault and some
> circumstantial. shall I have a hair cut or will you insist I go bald?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of Asudani, Rajesh
> Sent: 02 December 2016 11:51
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> Well, let me pose it this way:
> will it make any difference on the ground?
>
> Anyway, let it come, now.
> I have won the bate, Kanchan, if you remember!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of Kanchan Pamnani
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 5:35 PM
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning
> the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> So are we getting a better law than the bill we had in February 2014 or
> a
> diluted version? The bill has been systematically diluted over the last
> 2
> years.
> Are we going to take responsibility for the delay and the dilution?
> I hope I am wrong and we get a better law soon however public
> statements
>
> etc
> make me feelvery anxious.
> I am sure we will be better than in 1996  but are we better than what
> we
>
> had
> in 2014?
> All the effort from 2009 may only bring some results.
> Do we have to wait for 2036?
> My prayers are for the sector and my fingers are crossed.
> Kanchan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of George Abraham
> Sent: 01 December 2016 16:47
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning
> the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> Mr Rungta has sent an Email confirming the news of the cabinet
> approving
>
> the
> RPD bill. Perhaps he is in a position to furnish the source!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
> Behalf
> Of avinash shahi
> Sent: 01 December 2016 16:03
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> I've not come across any newspaper which has reported the approval of
> amendments to the RPD Bill 2014 by the cabine

Re: [AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from indianrail.gov.in

[Aravind R]

and one more thing is concession is not applicable unless we give
aadhar number with our railway from april first onwards i think.

On 12/7/16, Vishnu Ramchandani  wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> It has come to my notice that indianrail.gov.in is not showing the
> concessional fare enquiry. When I try to view the fare by selecting the
> appropriate category from the 'concession' dropdown list, clicking on 'get
> fare' button displays the following message:
> "the conc is not valid for this date, please try again".
>
> Has indianrail.gov.in removed such fare enquiry from its system or the issue
> is temporary, I am unable to figure it out. I am trying to view fare since
> past few days but it shows me the same error. If it has been removed from
> their website, then is there any other way to view the concession fare
> enquiry? Have you tried to view the concessional fare enquiry from
> indianrail? If yes, do post your experience.
>
> Regards,
> Vishnu
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Re: [AI] Smart workarounds

[Shaswat Jena]

Mujeeb,

The pro / paid version will support a large of languages including Indian
regional languages. We will be rolling out the pro version of the by the
end of Jan 1st week at a very nominal subscription fee.

Sinoj,

Glad that you found the app helpful, As mentioned earlier the advanced OCR
will have options to save, share and other features which will be included
in the paid / pro version of Eye-D app.

Vikas,

Thanks for bringing forward the issue. I would still say that there seems
to be some issue with your version of WhatsApp. We checked for the issue
with latest version of Eye-D and WhatsApp everything seems to work
flawlessly without any issue. We even checked this with both JPEG and PNG
files there was slight performance degrade for PNG images which will fix in
next updates.

Regards,
Shaswat

On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 9:27 AM, Vikas Kapoor  wrote:

> The problem is not with the printed documents as you are suggesting, the
> problem is with exporting the what sap images to be able to read them out.
> As I reported earlier, everything was fine, but once I performed a factory
> reset on my phone, the problem started coming in. I assume if I'd installed
> both these applications on my phone day before yesterday, the apps might be
> having the latest versions.
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Shaswat Jena
>   To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
> concerning the disabled.
>   Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:56 AM
>   Subject: Re: [AI] Smart workarounds
>
>
>   Hello All,
>
>   I'm Shaswat from Eye-D. I'm really sorry that some of your are not being
>   able to use the app. Please note that there was an similar issue with the
>   Facebook app which resulted in the failure of image sharing and
> processing
>   it externally earlier, so I would suggest you to update your Eye-D app
> and
>   WhatsApp as no such issue is being observed on our end.
>
>   Gufran / Vikas,
>
>   For better results results please try to hold your phone 15-20 cms above
>   the printed document for now. We will be rolling out major OCR and
> feature
>   upgrades gradually to improve your app experience.
>
>   Thank you Satguru for answering the queries :)
>
>   Please do let me know if you have any queries and suggestions.
>
>   Regards,
>   Shaswat
>
>   Eye-D 
>
>   https://in.linkedin.com/in/shaswatjena
>
>   National Award Winner (Best Innovators of 2016
>   )
>
>
>   On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Mujeeb Rahman  >
>   wrote:
>
>   > Super!!
>   >
>   > On 11/29/16, shankar shan  wrote:
>   > > 1. open WhatsApp.
>   > > 2. go to the chat from which you got the image.
>   > > 3. select the image by dubble tap and long press.
>   > > 4. click on share.
>   > > 5. click on image recagnation  eye-d app, and wait for the results
>   > > from the talkback.
>   > >
>   > > note: you need internet connection to use this service.
>   > >
>   > > yes, you can solve the captcha using this app, but, you need to work
>   > > around with it.
>   > >
>   > > here, guess work takes place.
>   > >
>   > > you cant expect perfect solution from this app.
>   > >
>   > > this is just my opinion.
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > On 11/29/16, Mujeeb Rahman  wrote:
>   > >> Whatsapp images too will be read! sounds amazing and interesting!!
>   > >> Request the steps..
>   > >>
>   > >> On 11/29/16, shankar shan  wrote:
>   > >>> exactly, and also, without sighted assistance,  you can read all
> the
>   > >>> information from the image  which you will get on WhatsApp and
> other
>   > >>> social networking sites.
>   > >>> currently, the app is supporting the default language, bbut,its not
>   > >>> supporting for other languages.
>   > >>>
>   > >>> if the person using Arabic language in there windows, it will be
> very
>   > >>> much trubble for them, hence, the app developers has to add the
>   > >>> international and indian languages with the app, so that, all
> lingual
>   > >>> people might benifited.
>   > >>>
>   > >>>
>   > >>> On 11/28/16, Prashant Naik  wrote:
>   >  Hi,
>   > 
>   >  As mentioned in the subject sharing one smart workaround. Such
>   >  workarounds
>   >  we all must have innovated while working with access technologies.
>   >  Today
>   >  we have multiple devices with A T, combination of them will be
>   > helpful.
>   >  It
>   >  will be a great thing if we share with the A I list for benefiting
>   >  others.
>   > 
>   >  One such case is suppose your PC has a bit locker login where we
> need
>   > to
>   >  enter password for booting of Windows OS.  In such case screen
> reader
>   >  will
>   >  not get loaded till windows starts.  Many a times we are unsure
> what’s
>   >  on
>   >  the screen.   Our dependency on human assistance to move further.
> In
>   >  this
>   >  case used Eye-D mobile app’s ‘Read text in image’ option. 

[AI] Braille Bhawan Ludhiana: School for visually impaired set to lose land to children’s home

[avinash shahi]

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/jalandhar/school-for-visually-impaired-set-to-lose-land-to-children-s-home/331758.html

-- 
Avinash Shahi
Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU


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[AI] concessional base fare enquiry has been removed from indianrail.gov.in

[Vishnu Ramchandani]

Dear All,

It has come to my notice that indianrail.gov.in is not showing the concessional 
fare enquiry. When I try to view the fare by selecting the appropriate category 
from the 'concession' dropdown list, clicking on 'get fare' button displays the 
following message:
"the conc is not valid for this date, please try again".

Has indianrail.gov.in removed such fare enquiry from its system or the issue is 
temporary, I am unable to figure it out. I am trying to view fare since past 
few days but it shows me the same error. If it has been removed from their 
website, then is there any other way to view the concession fare enquiry? Have 
you tried to view the concessional fare enquiry from indianrail? If yes, do 
post your experience.

Regards,
Vishnu
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[AI] News of Interest: Visually challenged girl ‘marries’ Lord Krishna in MP’s Tikamgarh district

[avinash shahi]

A 22-year-old visually challenged girl, who has been a staunch devotee
of Krishna since childhood, married an idol of the Hindu god at a
village in Tikamgarh district on Sunday.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/bhopal/visually-challenged-girl-marries-lord-krishna-in-mp-s-tikamgarh-dist/story-DmycTWQHPodJNriM2RhaaJ.html
Shalini’s ‘marriage’ was solemnised according to Bundelkhandi
traditions. The marriage procession reached the bride’s home in Digoda
village, where the ceremony was performed.

According to locals, Shalini has been reading religious scriptures
such as Ramayana, Bhagwat Geeta and playing musical instruments since
childhood. The villagers pay a lot of respect to the woman, as they
believe she possesses some supernatural power.

Shalini’s father Munnalal Bidua, a teacher, told HT that he has two
sons and two daughters. Shalini is visually challenged since birth.
She expressed her desire to marry ‘Lord Krishna’ recently. The parents
didn’t disappoint her and consulted a priest to fulfil the desire of
their daughter.

The marriage was scheduled for December 4, as according to Hindu
calendar it happens to be ‘Vivah Panchmi’. On Saturday, the marriage
rituals like menhdi and sangeet were held. On Sunday, the marriage
procession (baraat) was taken out from a temple with Lord Krishna’s
Laddu Gopal form as the bridegroom. After the marriage, the bride has
plans to continue living at her present home, where she has a separate
room converted into a temple.


-- 
Avinash Shahi
Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU


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[AI] Siolim’s Stacy has ‘Princess India’ in sight

[avinash shahi]

Lisa Monteiro, TNN 26 Nov 2016.

PANAJI: The sole performing artist among the 45 visually impaired
girls vying for the coveted 'Princess India' title, 20-year-old Stacy
Rodrigues from Siolim is now one step closer to the crown.
.

.
Rodrigues, with 20 percent vision, got through two grueling rounds in
Mumbai and is among 15 girls from around the country, who have made it
to the finals of the first of its kind beauty pageant for the visually
impaired.
.

.
 The contestants were judged for their confidence, the way they
carried themselves, talent presentation, their professional
achievements and ambitions
Read more: 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Siolims-Stacy-has-Princess-India-in-sight/articleshow/55643486.cms

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Avinash Shahi
Doctoral student at Centre for Law and Governance JNU


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Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

[Mujeeb Rahman]

Indeed its a serius issue and needs urgent intervention  of hon. Supreme Court..

On 12/7/16, B. R. Nautial  wrote:
> I think, this is the total falior of our people, those were involve with
> this issue cause they couldn't keep our view point strongly. In my openion,
> through this bill, visually impaired will be isolated from the main stream.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sakina Dhariwala " 
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled." 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 7:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
>
>> Hi mem, the propose of 4 percent for job, but what about totally blind?
>> With warm regards Sakina.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kanchan Pamnani" 
>> To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning the disabled.'" 
>> Sent: December 06, 2016 10:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>>
>>> No it isn’t.
>>> It was 5% in 2014 and we lost 1% to  the infighting and the great non
>>> strategic thinking from our leaders and thinkers.
>>> Kanchan
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of Mujeeb Rahman
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:28 PM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerning the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>>
>>> Have a single question: is 4% reservation in government jobs
>>> sufficient for 21 types of disabilities??
>>> On 12/2/16, George Abraham  wrote:
 Suggest a hair cut!

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of Kanchan Pamnani
 Sent: 02 December 2016 13:54
 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.'
 Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

 Yes the law has gotten delayed. Some of it is our own fault and some
 circumstantial. shall I have a hair cut or will you insist I go bald?

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of Asudani, Rajesh
 Sent: 02 December 2016 11:51
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

 Well, let me pose it this way:
 will it make any difference on the ground?

 Anyway, let it come, now.
 I have won the bate, Kanchan, if you remember!


 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of Kanchan Pamnani
 Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 5:35 PM
 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.'
 Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

 So are we getting a better law than the bill we had in February 2014 or
 a
 diluted version? The bill has been systematically diluted over the last
 2
 years.
 Are we going to take responsibility for the delay and the dilution?
 I hope I am wrong and we get a better law soon however public statements

 etc
 make me feelvery anxious.
 I am sure we will be better than in 1996  but are we better than what we

 had
 in 2014?
 All the effort from 2009 may only bring some results.
 Do we have to wait for 2036?
 My prayers are for the sector and my fingers are crossed.
 Kanchan

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of George Abraham
 Sent: 01 December 2016 16:47
 To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.'
 Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

 Mr Rungta has sent an Email confirming the news of the cabinet approving

 the
 RPD bill. Perhaps he is in a position to furnish the source!

 -Original Message-
 From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
 Behalf
 Of avinash shahi
 Sent: 01 December 2016 16:03
 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
 concerning
 the disabled.
 Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

 I've not come across any newspaper which has reported the approval of
 amendments to the RPD Bill 2014 by the cabinet. I however heard the news

 of
 cabinet approval on All India Radio this morning at 8 am news.
 This means its official. And what is more puzzling that even PTI feed
 has
 not covered PIB's release. Something is 

Re: [AI] Smart workarounds

[Vikas Kapoor]

The problem is not with the printed documents as you are suggesting, the 
problem is with exporting the what sap images to be able to read them out. As I 
reported earlier, everything was fine, but once I performed a factory reset on 
my phone, the problem started coming in. I assume if I'd installed both these 
applications on my phone day before yesterday, the apps might be having the 
latest versions.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Shaswat Jena 
  To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled. 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:56 AM
  Subject: Re: [AI] Smart workarounds


  Hello All,

  I'm Shaswat from Eye-D. I'm really sorry that some of your are not being
  able to use the app. Please note that there was an similar issue with the
  Facebook app which resulted in the failure of image sharing and processing
  it externally earlier, so I would suggest you to update your Eye-D app and
  WhatsApp as no such issue is being observed on our end.

  Gufran / Vikas,

  For better results results please try to hold your phone 15-20 cms above
  the printed document for now. We will be rolling out major OCR and feature
  upgrades gradually to improve your app experience.

  Thank you Satguru for answering the queries :)

  Please do let me know if you have any queries and suggestions.

  Regards,
  Shaswat

  Eye-D 

  https://in.linkedin.com/in/shaswatjena

  National Award Winner (Best Innovators of 2016
  )


  On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Mujeeb Rahman 
  wrote:

  > Super!!
  >
  > On 11/29/16, shankar shan  wrote:
  > > 1. open WhatsApp.
  > > 2. go to the chat from which you got the image.
  > > 3. select the image by dubble tap and long press.
  > > 4. click on share.
  > > 5. click on image recagnation  eye-d app, and wait for the results
  > > from the talkback.
  > >
  > > note: you need internet connection to use this service.
  > >
  > > yes, you can solve the captcha using this app, but, you need to work
  > > around with it.
  > >
  > > here, guess work takes place.
  > >
  > > you cant expect perfect solution from this app.
  > >
  > > this is just my opinion.
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > On 11/29/16, Mujeeb Rahman  wrote:
  > >> Whatsapp images too will be read! sounds amazing and interesting!!
  > >> Request the steps..
  > >>
  > >> On 11/29/16, shankar shan  wrote:
  > >>> exactly, and also, without sighted assistance,  you can read all the
  > >>> information from the image  which you will get on WhatsApp and other
  > >>> social networking sites.
  > >>> currently, the app is supporting the default language, bbut,its not
  > >>> supporting for other languages.
  > >>>
  > >>> if the person using Arabic language in there windows, it will be very
  > >>> much trubble for them, hence, the app developers has to add the
  > >>> international and indian languages with the app, so that, all lingual
  > >>> people might benifited.
  > >>>
  > >>>
  > >>> On 11/28/16, Prashant Naik  wrote:
  >  Hi,
  > 
  >  As mentioned in the subject sharing one smart workaround. Such
  >  workarounds
  >  we all must have innovated while working with access technologies.
  >  Today
  >  we have multiple devices with A T, combination of them will be
  > helpful.
  >  It
  >  will be a great thing if we share with the A I list for benefiting
  >  others.
  > 
  >  One such case is suppose your PC has a bit locker login where we need
  > to
  >  enter password for booting of Windows OS.  In such case screen reader
  >  will
  >  not get loaded till windows starts.  Many a times we are unsure what’s
  >  on
  >  the screen.   Our dependency on human assistance to move further. In
  >  this
  >  case used Eye-D mobile app’s ‘Read text in image’ option. Wah! It read
  >  screen with text ‘Bit locker enter the pin for windows drive’.  No
  > more
  >  disturbing colleagues for the help.
  > 
  >  This work around you can use when system hangs and screen reader is
  > not
  >  responding or in case of reading notifications, messages, alerts,
  >  screens,
  >  etc. where screen reader not reaching.
  > 
  >  Do share more.
  > 
  >  Regards,
  > 
  >  Prashant Naik
  > 
  >  9967968881
  > 
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  > accessibility
  >  of
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  > sindia_accessindia.org.in
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Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

[B. R. Nautial]

I think, this is the total falior of our people, those were involve with 
this issue cause they couldn't keep our view point strongly. In my openion, 
through this bill, visually impaired will be isolated from the main stream.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sakina Dhariwala " 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled." 

Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information



Hi mem, the propose of 4 percent for job, but what about totally blind?
With warm regards Sakina.

- Original Message - 
From: "Kanchan Pamnani" 
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning the disabled.'" 

Sent: December 06, 2016 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information



No it isn’t.
It was 5% in 2014 and we lost 1% to  the infighting and the great non 
strategic thinking from our leaders and thinkers.

Kanchan

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Mujeeb Rahman

Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:28 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning the disabled.

Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

Have a single question: is 4% reservation in government jobs
sufficient for 21 types of disabilities??
On 12/2/16, George Abraham  wrote:

Suggest a hair cut!

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of Kanchan Pamnani
Sent: 02 December 2016 13:54
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

Yes the law has gotten delayed. Some of it is our own fault and some
circumstantial. shall I have a hair cut or will you insist I go bald?

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: 02 December 2016 11:51
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

Well, let me pose it this way:
will it make any difference on the ground?

Anyway, let it come, now.
I have won the bate, Kanchan, if you remember!


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of Kanchan Pamnani
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 5:35 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

So are we getting a better law than the bill we had in February 2014 or 
a
diluted version? The bill has been systematically diluted over the last 
2

years.
Are we going to take responsibility for the delay and the dilution?
I hope I am wrong and we get a better law soon however public statements 
etc

make me feelvery anxious.
I am sure we will be better than in 1996  but are we better than what we 
had

in 2014?
All the effort from 2009 may only bring some results.
Do we have to wait for 2036?
My prayers are for the sector and my fingers are crossed.
Kanchan

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of George Abraham
Sent: 01 December 2016 16:47
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

Mr Rungta has sent an Email confirming the news of the cabinet approving 
the

RPD bill. Perhaps he is in a position to furnish the source!

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of avinash shahi
Sent: 01 December 2016 16:03
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

I've not come across any newspaper which has reported the approval of
amendments to the RPD Bill 2014 by the cabinet. I however heard the news 
of

cabinet approval on All India Radio this morning at 8 am news.
This means its official. And what is more puzzling that even PTI feed 
has
not covered PIB's release. Something is being cooked in the DEPWD which 
is

troubling me.  I'd urge you friends to download this morning's (samachar
Prabhat) news broadcast from AIR's website as soon as possible. The
government is working in haste and in secrecy after the SC admonished 
the

social Justice Minister couple of days ago. The court unusually kept on
asking "who is the minister concerned, name him name him!" and does 
anyone

has any info about the 29th November meeting called by the disability
department after the Apex court's anger?

On 12/1/16, Amar Jain  wrote:

I could not find any release on this for 30th of Nov.

Sent from my iPhone


On 01-Dec-2016

Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[Ajay Minocha]

Hey George sir,

I completely agree but my main concern is the denial towards embracing the 
change by those who are teck literate.


Regards,
Ajay

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http://www.aqua-mail.com


On December 7, 2016 7:11:32 AM "George Abraham"  wrote:


Ajay,

The point is well made. But the point to be noted is that millions of blind 
people in India are not computer/tech literate. Most banking facilities are 
inaccessible and many banks still do not easily provide banking facilities 
to blind people. Alongside pushing the cashless system, it is important to 
empower the blind individual, and make accessible the tools of the cashless 
economy and banks have to start engaging with blind customers. The switch 
is not quite that simple. This cashless economy makes it all the more 
critical that Digital India becomes accessible.


Regards,

George


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf 
Of Ajay Minocha

Sent: 06 December 2016 23:54
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online 
payments is tough call


Hi sir,

Let’s not debate on the advantages and disadvantages of cash and
without cash payment systems. As an academician, it’s your
responsibility to see the positive side of the fast and ever-changing
society and impart that knowledge to your students. I still remember
that example shared on our own list regarding the introduction of
computers in government organisations. Though there are people who are
happy to have a free lunch at their workplace but there also exists a
bunch of individuals who have achieved spectacular growth in their
careers using the same technology. Go to the office environment of
20/25 years ago and you wouldn’t be able to imagine a blind person at
a post higher than a typist/ telephone operator. According to me,
every big change comes with a pain but the pain is worth it at the
end. I have no intentions of arguing with a senior member but as a
list member I feel that a right message must be given to the younger
generation who considers this list to be the primary source of
information.

Regards,
Ajay


On 12/6/16, Chandrashekhar Kulkarni  wrote:

Dear list memberss,
A very interesting and close to heart topic in the present
circumstances. According to me the problem is more severe for totally
blind persons. Today there is a loud cry for going in for paperless
currency, but has the government really thought about the needs of
differently abled persons or the Hon. Prime Minister and his ministry
really think that Divyang persons have a Divyang which takes them out
of any problems? The Government must think of persons like us not only
from the point of view of accessibility but also from safety and
security.
Sincerely,
C. B. Kulkkarni

On 06/12/2016, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:

Ok Ajay, you say it is half full and I will say it is half empty. It is
easy
to quote proverbs and sayings, but practical difficulties do not get
solved
by quoting proverbs. You need not accept my views if you disagree with
them.
Just last month 32 lakh debit cards had to be called off. We hear several
cases of the ATM cards getting stuck in the machine. We also hear about
the
people getting robbed through their credit and debit cards. If it is the
case with the sighted people, how difficult it can be for the visually
impaired. Yours, professor Shyam M. sayanekar.
- Original Message -
From: "Ajay Minocha" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning
the disabled." 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
payments is tough call



Hi,

It intirely depends on us if we want to see it half empty or half full.

On 12/5/16, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:

A very good and factbased article. In fact a lot of discussion on this
issue
should be unddertaken. Further, the risk factor involved in cashless
transactions with regard to the VI also has to be taken into account.
Non-availability of network, the phones getting out of range are also
other
issues. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar
- Original Message -
From: "Sruti disAbility Rights Centre" 
To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
phones and Tabs." 
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 3:49 PM
Subject: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
payments is tough call



*http://globalaccessibilitynews.com/2016/11/23/for-millions-of-indians-with-disabilities-making-payments-online-is-tough-call/
*

*BANGALORE, INDIA:* Booking cabs, buying food and making payments
online
seem like they’re just a swipe and a tap away, but for millions of
Indians
with disabilities, these apps are not designed for the

Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

[Sakina Dhariwala]

Hi mem, the propose of 4 percent for job, but what about totally blind?
With warm regards Sakina.

- Original Message - 
From: "Kanchan Pamnani" 
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.'" 

Sent: December 06, 2016 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information



No it isn’t.
It was 5% in 2014 and we lost 1% to  the infighting and the great non 
strategic thinking from our leaders and thinkers.

Kanchan

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Mujeeb Rahman

Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:28 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.

Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

Have a single question: is 4% reservation in government jobs
sufficient for 21 types of disabilities??
On 12/2/16, George Abraham  wrote:

Suggest a hair cut!

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of Kanchan Pamnani
Sent: 02 December 2016 13:54
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

Yes the law has gotten delayed. Some of it is our own fault and some
circumstantial. shall I have a hair cut or will you insist I go bald?

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of Asudani, Rajesh
Sent: 02 December 2016 11:51
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

Well, let me pose it this way:
will it make any difference on the ground?

Anyway, let it come, now.
I have won the bate, Kanchan, if you remember!


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of Kanchan Pamnani
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 5:35 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

So are we getting a better law than the bill we had in February 2014 or a
diluted version? The bill has been systematically diluted over the last 2
years.
Are we going to take responsibility for the delay and the dilution?
I hope I am wrong and we get a better law soon however public statements 
etc

make me feelvery anxious.
I am sure we will be better than in 1996  but are we better than what we 
had

in 2014?
All the effort from 2009 may only bring some results.
Do we have to wait for 2036?
My prayers are for the sector and my fingers are crossed.
Kanchan

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of George Abraham
Sent: 01 December 2016 16:47
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

Mr Rungta has sent an Email confirming the news of the cabinet approving 
the

RPD bill. Perhaps he is in a position to furnish the source!

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of avinash shahi
Sent: 01 December 2016 16:03
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

I've not come across any newspaper which has reported the approval of
amendments to the RPD Bill 2014 by the cabinet. I however heard the news 
of

cabinet approval on All India Radio this morning at 8 am news.
This means its official. And what is more puzzling that even PTI feed has
not covered PIB's release. Something is being cooked in the DEPWD which 
is

troubling me.  I'd urge you friends to download this morning's (samachar
Prabhat) news broadcast from AIR's website as soon as possible. The
government is working in haste and in secrecy after the SC admonished the
social Justice Minister couple of days ago. The court unusually kept on
asking "who is the minister concerned, name him name him!" and does 
anyone

has any info about the 29th November meeting called by the disability
department after the Apex court's anger?

On 12/1/16, Amar Jain  wrote:

I could not find any release on this for 30th of Nov.

Sent from my iPhone


On 01-Dec-2016, at 12:00 PM, avinash shahi 
wrote:

-- Forwarded message --
From: National Platform For The Rights of the Disabled

Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 11:53:21 +0530
Subject: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
To:

Government of India
Ministry of Social Justice & Empowerment
30-November-2016 19:38 IST

Cabinet Approves Proposal to Make Important Changes in The Rights of
Persons With Disabilities Bill, 2014 During Ongoing Winter Session Of
Parliament

The Cabinet approved the p

Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[bhawani shankar verma]

i think that we must take advantage of digital payment system through any 
mode of payment USSD, UPI, CARDS, NET BANKING etc. the concern is that all 
apps and websites payment gateways must be accessible.


- Original Message - 
From: "Ajay Minocha" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled." 

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online 
payments is tough call




Hi sir,

Let’s not debate on the advantages and disadvantages of cash and
without cash payment systems. As an academician, it’s your
responsibility to see the positive side of the fast and ever-changing
society and impart that knowledge to your students. I still remember
that example shared on our own list regarding the introduction of
computers in government organisations. Though there are people who are
happy to have a free lunch at their workplace but there also exists a
bunch of individuals who have achieved spectacular growth in their
careers using the same technology. Go to the office environment of
20/25 years ago and you wouldn’t be able to imagine a blind person at
a post higher than a typist/ telephone operator. According to me,
every big change comes with a pain but the pain is worth it at the
end. I have no intentions of arguing with a senior member but as a
list member I feel that a right message must be given to the younger
generation who considers this list to be the primary source of
information.

Regards,
Ajay


On 12/6/16, Chandrashekhar Kulkarni  wrote:

Dear list memberss,
A very interesting and close to heart topic in the present
circumstances. According to me the problem is more severe for totally
blind persons. Today there is a loud cry for going in for paperless
currency, but has the government really thought about the needs of
differently abled persons or the Hon. Prime Minister and his ministry
really think that Divyang persons have a Divyang which takes them out
of any problems? The Government must think of persons like us not only
from the point of view of accessibility but also from safety and
security.
Sincerely,
C. B. Kulkkarni

On 06/12/2016, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:

Ok Ajay, you say it is half full and I will say it is half empty. It is
easy
to quote proverbs and sayings, but practical difficulties do not get
solved
by quoting proverbs. You need not accept my views if you disagree with
them.
Just last month 32 lakh debit cards had to be called off. We hear 
several

cases of the ATM cards getting stuck in the machine. We also hear about
the
people getting robbed through their credit and debit cards. If it is the
case with the sighted people, how difficult it can be for the visually
impaired. Yours, professor Shyam M. sayanekar.
- Original Message -
From: "Ajay Minocha" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
concerning
the disabled." 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making 
online

payments is tough call



Hi,

It intirely depends on us if we want to see it half empty or half full.

On 12/5/16, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:

A very good and factbased article. In fact a lot of discussion on this
issue
should be unddertaken. Further, the risk factor involved in cashless
transactions with regard to the VI also has to be taken into account.
Non-availability of network, the phones getting out of range are also
other
issues. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar
- Original Message -
From: "Sruti disAbility Rights Centre" 
To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
phones and Tabs." 
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 3:49 PM
Subject: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
payments is tough call



*http://globalaccessibilitynews.com/2016/11/23/for-millions-of-indians-with-disabilities-making-payments-online-is-tough-call/
*

*BANGALORE, INDIA:* Booking cabs, buying food and making payments
online
seem like they’re just a swipe and a tap away, but for millions of
Indians
with disabilities, these apps are not designed for them to use.


According to a study conducted by Centre for Internet and Society 
(CIS)

last month, many of the most-commonly used mobile apps for food
delivery,
online payments, grocery shopping and transportation were not
accessible
to
people with vision disabilities. The study covered 22 apps.

The 2011 census puts the number of people with disabilities in the
country
at 26 million, while advocacy groups say the real figure is closer to
150
million. Last year, India recorded nearly nine billion downloads of
mobile-based applications last year.

“The national policy for universal electronic accessibility says that
all
IT products and services should be accessible. However, the 
government

is
still u

Re: [AI] Big step taken by NAB Delhi to make visually impaired students independent in reading and writing

[George Abraham]

The switch is not quite as simple as it is said. Educationists have to work out 
solutions. Maybe one needs to look at coming up with innovations and 
modifications in pedagogy and evaluation. The ideas of using computers is big 
but the switch is a work in progress. Let us look at this switch as an 
opportunity to address challenges of Math and science education. We live in a 
dynamic World and we need to look ahead accept change  when it has the 
potential of large gains. Just my way of thinking. 

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Vidhya Y
Sent: 06 December 2016 22:40
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Big step taken by NAB Delhi to make visually impaired 
students independent in reading and writing

how about Geometry  and Diagrams in Science? I hope it won't be
substituted with alternative theoretical questions just because it is
convenient to type. tactile method should not be compromised! if we
need Professionals who are competent, these concerns should be
addressed.

On 12/6/16, George Abraham  wrote:
> Agreed! Any revolution brings with it pain, but in the long run it will be a
> major gain. By the time students reach their Post Graduate level, they will
> be on top of the technology. Their ability to fit into the professional
> World will be that much better. No more stories of scribes backing out at
> the last minute or no more cases where the blind student gets a watchman to
> write for him or someone is forced to compromise with a scribe who is
> several years junior. Also the aligation that scribes are actually writing
> the exams will also end. Good initiative. There will be challenges and
> teething problems but they will get sorted out. The step is bold to help
> generate a new generation of employable  skilled blind professionals.
> Technology in no way stops the use of Braille. Braille refreshing and
> Braille print outs can be taken for personal reading and studies. Regular
> printouts can be taken when submitting assignments and answers sheets.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of shankar shan
> Sent: 05 December 2016 19:41
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Big step taken by NAB Delhi to make visually impaired
> students independent in reading and writing
>
> wow!!!
>
> this is called revolution.
>
> this should be Executed all across  the country.
>
> and also, the students  should  get an Opportunity  to explore the
> computers  from the standard 1.
>
> keep going!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/5/16, Avichal Bhatnagar  wrote:
>> Wow, a revolutionary step indeed. Happy to see my alma mater making
>> such progressive moves.
>>
>> On 12/5/16, avinash shahi  wrote:
>>> Excellent initiative – I wish it a great success.
>>>
>>> On 12/5/16, Prashant Ranjan Verma  wrote:
 Dear all,

 I think NAB Delhi is the first institution in the country to take this
 pro-active step. When a solution is available, there is no reason the
 visually impaired should depend upon volunteers for writing and reading.
 Please see the document below, it is self-explanatory. We seek your
 support
 in its implementation.

 NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE BLIND
 Sector - 5, R.K. Puram, New Delhi - 110022



 CIRCULAR

 3 December 2016



 Policy to make visually impaired students independent in writing
 examinations



 All teachers, students, parents and staff associated with NAB Delhi are
 requested to take a note of this important policy change.



 Recognizing the positive impact of introducing ICT in school education
 of
 the visually impaired children, NAB Delhi proposes to make all its Class
 6
 to 12 students independent in reading and writing. NAB Delhi wants to do
 away with the practice of using Scribes and enable its students to write
 their examinations independently using computers.



 1.  This policy covers all visually impaired students pursuing
 school
 education through the Integrated Education Department of NAB Delhi
 possessing a laptop either provided by NAB Delhi or their own



 2.  Such students will have to compulsorily take the school
 examinations
 (unit tests, half yearly/yearly exams) of Class 6 to 12 using the
 computers
 after April 2017.



 3.  The only exemption to this will be the board examination of
 Class
 10
 and 12 till 2018.



 4.  NAB Delhi will not arrange for scribes or make any payment for
 scribes after April 2017 to assist blind students in school
 examinations.



 5.  A list of those students w

Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[George Abraham]

Ajay,

The point is well made. But the point to be noted is that millions of blind 
people in India are not computer/tech literate. Most banking facilities are 
inaccessible and many banks still do not easily provide banking facilities to 
blind people. Alongside pushing the cashless system, it is important to empower 
the blind individual, and make accessible the tools of the cashless economy and 
banks have to start engaging with blind customers. The switch is not quite that 
simple. This cashless economy makes it all the more critical that Digital India 
becomes accessible.

Regards,

George
 

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Ajay Minocha
Sent: 06 December 2016 23:54
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online 
payments is tough call

Hi sir,

Let’s not debate on the advantages and disadvantages of cash and
without cash payment systems. As an academician, it’s your
responsibility to see the positive side of the fast and ever-changing
society and impart that knowledge to your students. I still remember
that example shared on our own list regarding the introduction of
computers in government organisations. Though there are people who are
happy to have a free lunch at their workplace but there also exists a
bunch of individuals who have achieved spectacular growth in their
careers using the same technology. Go to the office environment of
20/25 years ago and you wouldn’t be able to imagine a blind person at
a post higher than a typist/ telephone operator. According to me,
every big change comes with a pain but the pain is worth it at the
end. I have no intentions of arguing with a senior member but as a
list member I feel that a right message must be given to the younger
generation who considers this list to be the primary source of
information.

Regards,
Ajay


On 12/6/16, Chandrashekhar Kulkarni  wrote:
> Dear list memberss,
> A very interesting and close to heart topic in the present
> circumstances. According to me the problem is more severe for totally
> blind persons. Today there is a loud cry for going in for paperless
> currency, but has the government really thought about the needs of
> differently abled persons or the Hon. Prime Minister and his ministry
> really think that Divyang persons have a Divyang which takes them out
> of any problems? The Government must think of persons like us not only
> from the point of view of accessibility but also from safety and
> security.
> Sincerely,
> C. B. Kulkkarni
>
> On 06/12/2016, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:
>> Ok Ajay, you say it is half full and I will say it is half empty. It is
>> easy
>> to quote proverbs and sayings, but practical difficulties do not get
>> solved
>> by quoting proverbs. You need not accept my views if you disagree with
>> them.
>> Just last month 32 lakh debit cards had to be called off. We hear several
>> cases of the ATM cards getting stuck in the machine. We also hear about
>> the
>> people getting robbed through their credit and debit cards. If it is the
>> case with the sighted people, how difficult it can be for the visually
>> impaired. Yours, professor Shyam M. sayanekar.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Ajay Minocha" 
>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled." 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 12:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
>> payments is tough call
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It intirely depends on us if we want to see it half empty or half full.
>>>
>>> On 12/5/16, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:
 A very good and factbased article. In fact a lot of discussion on this
 issue
 should be unddertaken. Further, the risk factor involved in cashless
 transactions with regard to the VI also has to be taken into account.
 Non-availability of network, the phones getting out of range are also
 other
 issues. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar
 - Original Message -
 From: "Sruti disAbility Rights Centre" 
 To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
 phones and Tabs." 
 Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 3:49 PM
 Subject: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
 payments is tough call


> *http://globalaccessibilitynews.com/2016/11/23/for-millions-of-indians-with-disabilities-making-payments-online-is-tough-call/
> *
>
> *BANGALORE, INDIA:* Booking cabs, buying food and making payments
> online
> seem like they’re just a swipe and a tap away, but for millions of
> Indians
> with disabilities, these apps are not designed for them to use.
>
>
> According t

Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[Ajay Minocha]

Hi sir,

Let’s not debate on the advantages and disadvantages of cash and
without cash payment systems. As an academician, it’s your
responsibility to see the positive side of the fast and ever-changing
society and impart that knowledge to your students. I still remember
that example shared on our own list regarding the introduction of
computers in government organisations. Though there are people who are
happy to have a free lunch at their workplace but there also exists a
bunch of individuals who have achieved spectacular growth in their
careers using the same technology. Go to the office environment of
20/25 years ago and you wouldn’t be able to imagine a blind person at
a post higher than a typist/ telephone operator. According to me,
every big change comes with a pain but the pain is worth it at the
end. I have no intentions of arguing with a senior member but as a
list member I feel that a right message must be given to the younger
generation who considers this list to be the primary source of
information.

Regards,
Ajay


On 12/6/16, Chandrashekhar Kulkarni  wrote:
> Dear list memberss,
> A very interesting and close to heart topic in the present
> circumstances. According to me the problem is more severe for totally
> blind persons. Today there is a loud cry for going in for paperless
> currency, but has the government really thought about the needs of
> differently abled persons or the Hon. Prime Minister and his ministry
> really think that Divyang persons have a Divyang which takes them out
> of any problems? The Government must think of persons like us not only
> from the point of view of accessibility but also from safety and
> security.
> Sincerely,
> C. B. Kulkkarni
>
> On 06/12/2016, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:
>> Ok Ajay, you say it is half full and I will say it is half empty. It is
>> easy
>> to quote proverbs and sayings, but practical difficulties do not get
>> solved
>> by quoting proverbs. You need not accept my views if you disagree with
>> them.
>> Just last month 32 lakh debit cards had to be called off. We hear several
>> cases of the ATM cards getting stuck in the machine. We also hear about
>> the
>> people getting robbed through their credit and debit cards. If it is the
>> case with the sighted people, how difficult it can be for the visually
>> impaired. Yours, professor Shyam M. sayanekar.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Ajay Minocha" 
>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled." 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 12:23 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
>> payments is tough call
>>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> It intirely depends on us if we want to see it half empty or half full.
>>>
>>> On 12/5/16, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:
 A very good and factbased article. In fact a lot of discussion on this
 issue
 should be unddertaken. Further, the risk factor involved in cashless
 transactions with regard to the VI also has to be taken into account.
 Non-availability of network, the phones getting out of range are also
 other
 issues. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar
 - Original Message -
 From: "Sruti disAbility Rights Centre" 
 To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
 phones and Tabs." 
 Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 3:49 PM
 Subject: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
 payments is tough call


> *http://globalaccessibilitynews.com/2016/11/23/for-millions-of-indians-with-disabilities-making-payments-online-is-tough-call/
> *
>
> *BANGALORE, INDIA:* Booking cabs, buying food and making payments
> online
> seem like they’re just a swipe and a tap away, but for millions of
> Indians
> with disabilities, these apps are not designed for them to use.
>
>
> According to a study conducted by Centre for Internet and Society (CIS)
> last month, many of the most-commonly used mobile apps for food
> delivery,
> online payments, grocery shopping and transportation were not
> accessible
> to
> people with vision disabilities. The study covered 22 apps.
>
> The 2011 census puts the number of people with disabilities in the
> country
> at 26 million, while advocacy groups say the real figure is closer to
> 150
> million. Last year, India recorded nearly nine billion downloads of
> mobile-based applications last year.
>
> “The national policy for universal electronic accessibility says that
> all
> IT products and services should be accessible. However, the government
> is
> still unable to implement it. Several government apps are
> inaccessible,”
> said Nirmita Narasimhan, policy director at CIS. CIS’s survey of some
>

Re: [AI] Big step taken by NAB Delhi to make visually impaired students independent in reading and writing

[Vidhya Y]

how about Geometry  and Diagrams in Science? I hope it won't be
substituted with alternative theoretical questions just because it is
convenient to type. tactile method should not be compromised! if we
need Professionals who are competent, these concerns should be
addressed.

On 12/6/16, George Abraham  wrote:
> Agreed! Any revolution brings with it pain, but in the long run it will be a
> major gain. By the time students reach their Post Graduate level, they will
> be on top of the technology. Their ability to fit into the professional
> World will be that much better. No more stories of scribes backing out at
> the last minute or no more cases where the blind student gets a watchman to
> write for him or someone is forced to compromise with a scribe who is
> several years junior. Also the aligation that scribes are actually writing
> the exams will also end. Good initiative. There will be challenges and
> teething problems but they will get sorted out. The step is bold to help
> generate a new generation of employable  skilled blind professionals.
> Technology in no way stops the use of Braille. Braille refreshing and
> Braille print outs can be taken for personal reading and studies. Regular
> printouts can be taken when submitting assignments and answers sheets.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of shankar shan
> Sent: 05 December 2016 19:41
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Big step taken by NAB Delhi to make visually impaired
> students independent in reading and writing
>
> wow!!!
>
> this is called revolution.
>
> this should be Executed all across  the country.
>
> and also, the students  should  get an Opportunity  to explore the
> computers  from the standard 1.
>
> keep going!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/5/16, Avichal Bhatnagar  wrote:
>> Wow, a revolutionary step indeed. Happy to see my alma mater making
>> such progressive moves.
>>
>> On 12/5/16, avinash shahi  wrote:
>>> Excellent initiative – I wish it a great success.
>>>
>>> On 12/5/16, Prashant Ranjan Verma  wrote:
 Dear all,

 I think NAB Delhi is the first institution in the country to take this
 pro-active step. When a solution is available, there is no reason the
 visually impaired should depend upon volunteers for writing and reading.
 Please see the document below, it is self-explanatory. We seek your
 support
 in its implementation.

 NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE BLIND
 Sector - 5, R.K. Puram, New Delhi - 110022



 CIRCULAR

 3 December 2016



 Policy to make visually impaired students independent in writing
 examinations



 All teachers, students, parents and staff associated with NAB Delhi are
 requested to take a note of this important policy change.



 Recognizing the positive impact of introducing ICT in school education
 of
 the visually impaired children, NAB Delhi proposes to make all its Class
 6
 to 12 students independent in reading and writing. NAB Delhi wants to do
 away with the practice of using Scribes and enable its students to write
 their examinations independently using computers.



 1.  This policy covers all visually impaired students pursuing
 school
 education through the Integrated Education Department of NAB Delhi
 possessing a laptop either provided by NAB Delhi or their own



 2.  Such students will have to compulsorily take the school
 examinations
 (unit tests, half yearly/yearly exams) of Class 6 to 12 using the
 computers
 after April 2017.



 3.  The only exemption to this will be the board examination of
 Class
 10
 and 12 till 2018.



 4.  NAB Delhi will not arrange for scribes or make any payment for
 scribes after April 2017 to assist blind students in school
 examinations.



 5.  A list of those students who have to write exams using the
 computers
 after April 2017 will be prepared and published before end of December
 2016.
 Arrangements for computer training of these students will be made. These
 students will be evaluated for their typing speed, accuracy and computer
 operation skills before end of March 2017.



 6.  I.Ed. teachers will ensure that their students develop the
 confidence and typing speed to take exams on the computers. Teachers
 will
 liaison with the Computer Department for training of students in their
 charge.



 7.  The I.Ed. Department will sensitize the school and facilitate
 conduct of examinations in the school using the computer.



 8.  Arrangements for computer training of all I.Ed. Teachers will be
 made in a

Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

[akshun mahajan]

employment reservation will not be for every category.

On 12/6/16, Kanchan Pamnani  wrote:
> No it isn’t.
> It was 5% in 2014 and we lost 1% to  the infighting and the great non
> strategic thinking from our leaders and thinkers.
> Kanchan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Mujeeb Rahman
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:28 PM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> Have a single question: is 4% reservation in government jobs
> sufficient for 21 types of disabilities??
> On 12/2/16, George Abraham  wrote:
>> Suggest a hair cut!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Kanchan Pamnani
>> Sent: 02 December 2016 13:54
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>> Yes the law has gotten delayed. Some of it is our own fault and some
>> circumstantial. shall I have a hair cut or will you insist I go bald?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Asudani, Rajesh
>> Sent: 02 December 2016 11:51
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>> Well, let me pose it this way:
>> will it make any difference on the ground?
>>
>> Anyway, let it come, now.
>> I have won the bate, Kanchan, if you remember!
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Kanchan Pamnani
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 5:35 PM
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>> So are we getting a better law than the bill we had in February 2014 or a
>> diluted version? The bill has been systematically diluted over the last 2
>> years.
>> Are we going to take responsibility for the delay and the dilution?
>> I hope I am wrong and we get a better law soon however public statements
>> etc
>> make me feelvery anxious.
>> I am sure we will be better than in 1996  but are we better than what we
>> had
>> in 2014?
>> All the effort from 2009 may only bring some results.
>> Do we have to wait for 2036?
>> My prayers are for the sector and my fingers are crossed.
>> Kanchan
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of George Abraham
>> Sent: 01 December 2016 16:47
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning
>> the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>> Mr Rungta has sent an Email confirming the news of the cabinet approving
>> the
>> RPD bill. Perhaps he is in a position to furnish the source!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf
>> Of avinash shahi
>> Sent: 01 December 2016 16:03
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>
>> I've not come across any newspaper which has reported the approval of
>> amendments to the RPD Bill 2014 by the cabinet. I however heard the news
>> of
>> cabinet approval on All India Radio this morning at 8 am news.
>> This means its official. And what is more puzzling that even PTI feed has
>> not covered PIB's release. Something is being cooked in the DEPWD which is
>> troubling me.  I'd urge you friends to download this morning's (samachar
>> Prabhat) news broadcast from AIR's website as soon as possible. The
>> government is working in haste and in secrecy after the SC admonished the
>> social Justice Minister couple of days ago. The court unusually kept on
>> asking "who is the minister concerned, name him name him!" and does anyone
>> has any info about the 29th November meeting called by the disability
>> department after the Apex court's anger?
>>
>> On 12/1/16, Amar Jain  wrote:
>>> I could not find any release on this for 30th of Nov.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On 01-Dec-2016, at 12:00 PM, avinash shahi 
 wrote:

 -- Forwarded message --
 From: National Platform For The Rights of the Disabled
 
 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 11:53:21 +0530
 Subject: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
 To:

 Government of India
 Ministry of Social Justice & Empowerment
 30-November-2016 19:38 IST

 Cabinet Approves Proposal to Make Important Changes in The Rights of
 Persons With Disabil

Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

[Kanchan Pamnani]

No it isn’t. 
It was 5% in 2014 and we lost 1% to  the infighting and the great non strategic 
thinking from our leaders and thinkers.
Kanchan

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
Mujeeb Rahman
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 6:28 PM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

Have a single question: is 4% reservation in government jobs
sufficient for 21 types of disabilities??
On 12/2/16, George Abraham  wrote:
> Suggest a hair cut!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Kanchan Pamnani
> Sent: 02 December 2016 13:54
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> Yes the law has gotten delayed. Some of it is our own fault and some
> circumstantial. shall I have a hair cut or will you insist I go bald?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Asudani, Rajesh
> Sent: 02 December 2016 11:51
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> Well, let me pose it this way:
> will it make any difference on the ground?
>
> Anyway, let it come, now.
> I have won the bate, Kanchan, if you remember!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Kanchan Pamnani
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 5:35 PM
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> So are we getting a better law than the bill we had in February 2014 or a
> diluted version? The bill has been systematically diluted over the last 2
> years.
> Are we going to take responsibility for the delay and the dilution?
> I hope I am wrong and we get a better law soon however public statements etc
> make me feelvery anxious.
> I am sure we will be better than in 1996  but are we better than what we had
> in 2014?
> All the effort from 2009 may only bring some results.
> Do we have to wait for 2036?
> My prayers are for the sector and my fingers are crossed.
> Kanchan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of George Abraham
> Sent: 01 December 2016 16:47
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> Mr Rungta has sent an Email confirming the news of the cabinet approving the
> RPD bill. Perhaps he is in a position to furnish the source!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of avinash shahi
> Sent: 01 December 2016 16:03
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> I've not come across any newspaper which has reported the approval of
> amendments to the RPD Bill 2014 by the cabinet. I however heard the news of
> cabinet approval on All India Radio this morning at 8 am news.
> This means its official. And what is more puzzling that even PTI feed has
> not covered PIB's release. Something is being cooked in the DEPWD which is
> troubling me.  I'd urge you friends to download this morning's (samachar
> Prabhat) news broadcast from AIR's website as soon as possible. The
> government is working in haste and in secrecy after the SC admonished the
> social Justice Minister couple of days ago. The court unusually kept on
> asking "who is the minister concerned, name him name him!" and does anyone
> has any info about the 29th November meeting called by the disability
> department after the Apex court's anger?
>
> On 12/1/16, Amar Jain  wrote:
>> I could not find any release on this for 30th of Nov.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 01-Dec-2016, at 12:00 PM, avinash shahi 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: National Platform For The Rights of the Disabled
>>> 
>>> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 11:53:21 +0530
>>> Subject: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>> To:
>>>
>>> Government of India
>>> Ministry of Social Justice & Empowerment
>>> 30-November-2016 19:38 IST
>>>
>>> Cabinet Approves Proposal to Make Important Changes in The Rights of
>>> Persons With Disabilities Bill, 2014 During Ongoing Winter Session Of
>>> Parliament
>>>
>>> The Cabinet approved the proposal of the Department of Empowerment of
>>> Persons with Disabilities (Divyangjan), Ministry of Social Justice
>>> and Empowerment to make important 

Re: [AI] Fwd: Request for Adopting Accessibility in Paytm App

[Ishwar Verma]

hi friends! paytm android app is fully accessable with talkback. and I
don't know about voice over and brouzer.


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[AI] clarification for the computer exam which will be conducted by ambedkar university.

[shankar shan]

Hi there, greetings.
As the subject line says, I need some clarification for the computer
exam which will be conducted by ambedkar university.

1 of my friend is perceiving  b.b.a 3rd semat ambedkar university, and
she has computer exam tomorrow.

I have a cupple of questions  onn this topic on be half of her.

1.  What is the alternatives for diagrams?
I mean, will they provide the alternative questions for diagrams?
2.  In case  if there is no alternative questions, what will be the
next alternatives for her to scor  the marks.

I would like to request the experts to throe some light on this
subject  as soon as possible.

And also, if possible, if any 1 is perceiving  same course  mentioned,
above, Please share there details, so that, she can speek directly on
this subject for more clarification.




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Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information

[Mujeeb Rahman]

Have a single question: is 4% reservation in government jobs
sufficient for 21 types of disabilities??
On 12/2/16, George Abraham  wrote:
> Suggest a hair cut!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Kanchan Pamnani
> Sent: 02 December 2016 13:54
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> Yes the law has gotten delayed. Some of it is our own fault and some
> circumstantial. shall I have a hair cut or will you insist I go bald?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Asudani, Rajesh
> Sent: 02 December 2016 11:51
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> Well, let me pose it this way:
> will it make any difference on the ground?
>
> Anyway, let it come, now.
> I have won the bate, Kanchan, if you remember!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of Kanchan Pamnani
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 5:35 PM
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> So are we getting a better law than the bill we had in February 2014 or a
> diluted version? The bill has been systematically diluted over the last 2
> years.
> Are we going to take responsibility for the delay and the dilution?
> I hope I am wrong and we get a better law soon however public statements etc
> make me feelvery anxious.
> I am sure we will be better than in 1996  but are we better than what we had
> in 2014?
> All the effort from 2009 may only bring some results.
> Do we have to wait for 2036?
> My prayers are for the sector and my fingers are crossed.
> Kanchan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of George Abraham
> Sent: 01 December 2016 16:47
> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.'
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> Mr Rungta has sent an Email confirming the news of the cabinet approving the
> RPD bill. Perhaps he is in a position to furnish the source!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of avinash shahi
> Sent: 01 December 2016 16:03
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] Fwd: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>
> I've not come across any newspaper which has reported the approval of
> amendments to the RPD Bill 2014 by the cabinet. I however heard the news of
> cabinet approval on All India Radio this morning at 8 am news.
> This means its official. And what is more puzzling that even PTI feed has
> not covered PIB's release. Something is being cooked in the DEPWD which is
> troubling me.  I'd urge you friends to download this morning's (samachar
> Prabhat) news broadcast from AIR's website as soon as possible. The
> government is working in haste and in secrecy after the SC admonished the
> social Justice Minister couple of days ago. The court unusually kept on
> asking "who is the minister concerned, name him name him!" and does anyone
> has any info about the 29th November meeting called by the disability
> department after the Apex court's anger?
>
> On 12/1/16, Amar Jain  wrote:
>> I could not find any release on this for 30th of Nov.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 01-Dec-2016, at 12:00 PM, avinash shahi 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: National Platform For The Rights of the Disabled
>>> 
>>> Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 11:53:21 +0530
>>> Subject: RPD Bill -- PIB release -- for information
>>> To:
>>>
>>> Government of India
>>> Ministry of Social Justice & Empowerment
>>> 30-November-2016 19:38 IST
>>>
>>> Cabinet Approves Proposal to Make Important Changes in The Rights of
>>> Persons With Disabilities Bill, 2014 During Ongoing Winter Session Of
>>> Parliament
>>>
>>> The Cabinet approved the proposal of the Department of Empowerment of
>>> Persons with Disabilities (Divyangjan), Ministry of Social Justice
>>> and Empowerment to make important changes in the Rights of Persons
>>> with Disabilities Bill, 2014 during the ongoing winter Session of
>>> Parliament.
>>> The new Bill with amendments proposes to repeal the existing Persons
>>> with Disabilities (Equal opportunities, Protection of Rights and Full
>>> Participation) Act, 1995.
>>>
>>> India signed the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons
>>> with Disabilities (UNCRPD) and subsequently ratified the same on 1st
>>> October, 2007. Th

Re: [AI] Big step taken by NAB Delhi to make visually impaired students independent in reading and writing

[George Abraham]

Agreed! Any revolution brings with it pain, but in the long run it will be a 
major gain. By the time students reach their Post Graduate level, they will be 
on top of the technology. Their ability to fit into the professional World will 
be that much better. No more stories of scribes backing out at the last minute 
or no more cases where the blind student gets a watchman to write for him or 
someone is forced to compromise with a scribe who is several years junior. Also 
the aligation that scribes are actually writing the exams will also end. Good 
initiative. There will be challenges and teething problems but they will get 
sorted out. The step is bold to help generate a new generation of employable  
skilled blind professionals. Technology in no way stops the use of Braille. 
Braille refreshing and Braille print outs can be taken for personal reading and 
studies. Regular printouts can be taken when submitting assignments and answers 
sheets.  

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
shankar shan
Sent: 05 December 2016 19:41
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] Big step taken by NAB Delhi to make visually impaired 
students independent in reading and writing

wow!!!

this is called revolution.

this should be Executed all across  the country.

and also, the students  should  get an Opportunity  to explore the
computers  from the standard 1.

keep going!!!





On 12/5/16, Avichal Bhatnagar  wrote:
> Wow, a revolutionary step indeed. Happy to see my alma mater making
> such progressive moves.
>
> On 12/5/16, avinash shahi  wrote:
>> Excellent initiative – I wish it a great success.
>>
>> On 12/5/16, Prashant Ranjan Verma  wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I think NAB Delhi is the first institution in the country to take this
>>> pro-active step. When a solution is available, there is no reason the
>>> visually impaired should depend upon volunteers for writing and reading.
>>> Please see the document below, it is self-explanatory. We seek your
>>> support
>>> in its implementation.
>>>
>>> NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE BLIND
>>> Sector - 5, R.K. Puram, New Delhi - 110022
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> CIRCULAR
>>>
>>> 3 December 2016
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Policy to make visually impaired students independent in writing
>>> examinations
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All teachers, students, parents and staff associated with NAB Delhi are
>>> requested to take a note of this important policy change.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Recognizing the positive impact of introducing ICT in school education of
>>> the visually impaired children, NAB Delhi proposes to make all its Class
>>> 6
>>> to 12 students independent in reading and writing. NAB Delhi wants to do
>>> away with the practice of using Scribes and enable its students to write
>>> their examinations independently using computers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.  This policy covers all visually impaired students pursuing school
>>> education through the Integrated Education Department of NAB Delhi
>>> possessing a laptop either provided by NAB Delhi or their own
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2.  Such students will have to compulsorily take the school
>>> examinations
>>> (unit tests, half yearly/yearly exams) of Class 6 to 12 using the
>>> computers
>>> after April 2017.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3.  The only exemption to this will be the board examination of Class
>>> 10
>>> and 12 till 2018.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4.  NAB Delhi will not arrange for scribes or make any payment for
>>> scribes after April 2017 to assist blind students in school examinations.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 5.  A list of those students who have to write exams using the
>>> computers
>>> after April 2017 will be prepared and published before end of December
>>> 2016.
>>> Arrangements for computer training of these students will be made. These
>>> students will be evaluated for their typing speed, accuracy and computer
>>> operation skills before end of March 2017.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 6.  I.Ed. teachers will ensure that their students develop the
>>> confidence and typing speed to take exams on the computers. Teachers will
>>> liaison with the Computer Department for training of students in their
>>> charge.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 7.  The I.Ed. Department will sensitize the school and facilitate
>>> conduct of examinations in the school using the computer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 8.  Arrangements for computer training of all I.Ed. Teachers will be
>>> made in a phased manner. NAB will strive to provide adequate access to
>>> computers to the I.Ed. Teachers during work hours so that they can use
>>> the
>>> computers for teaching and evaluation. Till such time the I.Ed. teachers
>>> develop sufficient ICT skills, the Computer Unit will  be responsible for
>>> providing all technical assistance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 9.  Students who yet do not have a laptop will be provided soon and
>>> will
>>> be brought under this policy at the earlie

Re: [AI] Smart workarounds

[Mujeeb Rahman]

Hello,

A small suggestion: would be good if it supports indian languages too..

On 12/6/16, Shaswat Jena  wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I'm Shaswat from Eye-D. I'm really sorry that some of your are not being
> able to use the app. Please note that there was an similar issue with the
> Facebook app which resulted in the failure of image sharing and processing
> it externally earlier, so I would suggest you to update your Eye-D app and
> WhatsApp as no such issue is being observed on our end.
>
> Gufran / Vikas,
>
> For better results results please try to hold your phone 15-20 cms above
> the printed document for now. We will be rolling out major OCR and feature
> upgrades gradually to improve your app experience.
>
> Thank you Satguru for answering the queries :)
>
> Please do let me know if you have any queries and suggestions.
>
> Regards,
> Shaswat
>
> Eye-D 
>
> https://in.linkedin.com/in/shaswatjena
>
> National Award Winner (Best Innovators of 2016
> )
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Mujeeb Rahman 
> wrote:
>
>> Super!!
>>
>> On 11/29/16, shankar shan  wrote:
>> > 1. open WhatsApp.
>> > 2. go to the chat from which you got the image.
>> > 3. select the image by dubble tap and long press.
>> > 4. click on share.
>> > 5. click on image recagnation  eye-d app, and wait for the results
>> > from the talkback.
>> >
>> > note: you need internet connection to use this service.
>> >
>> > yes, you can solve the captcha using this app, but, you need to work
>> > around with it.
>> >
>> > here, guess work takes place.
>> >
>> > you cant expect perfect solution from this app.
>> >
>> > this is just my opinion.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11/29/16, Mujeeb Rahman  wrote:
>> >> Whatsapp images too will be read! sounds amazing and interesting!!
>> >> Request the steps..
>> >>
>> >> On 11/29/16, shankar shan  wrote:
>> >>> exactly, and also, without sighted assistance,  you can read all the
>> >>> information from the image  which you will get on WhatsApp and other
>> >>> social networking sites.
>> >>> currently, the app is supporting the default language, bbut,its not
>> >>> supporting for other languages.
>> >>>
>> >>> if the person using Arabic language in there windows, it will be very
>> >>> much trubble for them, hence, the app developers has to add the
>> >>> international and indian languages with the app, so that, all lingual
>> >>> people might benifited.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 11/28/16, Prashant Naik  wrote:
>>  Hi,
>> 
>>  As mentioned in the subject sharing one smart workaround. Such
>>  workarounds
>>  we all must have innovated while working with access technologies.
>>  Today
>>  we have multiple devices with A T, combination of them will be
>> helpful.
>>  It
>>  will be a great thing if we share with the A I list for benefiting
>>  others.
>> 
>>  One such case is suppose your PC has a bit locker login where we need
>> to
>>  enter password for booting of Windows OS.  In such case screen reader
>>  will
>>  not get loaded till windows starts.  Many a times we are unsure
>>  what’s
>>  on
>>  the screen.   Our dependency on human assistance to move further. In
>>  this
>>  case used Eye-D mobile app’s ‘Read text in image’ option. Wah! It
>>  read
>>  screen with text ‘Bit locker enter the pin for windows drive’.  No
>> more
>>  disturbing colleagues for the help.
>> 
>>  This work around you can use when system hangs and screen reader is
>> not
>>  responding or in case of reading notifications, messages, alerts,
>>  screens,
>>  etc. where screen reader not reaching.
>> 
>>  Do share more.
>> 
>>  Regards,
>> 
>>  Prashant Naik
>> 
>>  9967968881
>> 
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>> accessibility
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>>  mobile phones / Tabs on:
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>> 
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>> 
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Greetings from theNational  Eyeway Helpdesk

Please, follow below the Daily Eyeway Alerts:

Job-

One post as Assistant Teacher and Two posts as Jr. Clerk for Visually
Impaired in Delhi cantonment Board (DCB), Delhi Cantonment.
Qualification: (i) Asst.Teacher- (i) Senior Secondary (or its
equivalent) with at least 50% marks and 2 years Diploma in Elementary
Education (by whatever name known) from a recognized Board. (ii) Jr.
Clerk- i) 12th class or equivalent qualification from a recognized
Board or University.  ii) Pass in the Central Teacher Eligibility Test
(CTET) conducted by the Central Board of Secondary Education (CBSE).
Age: 18-30 years (ii) A Typing speed of 35 wpm in English or 30 wpm in
Hindi on computer only. Age: 18-25 years. The candidate must apply
online website: www.cbdelhi.in. The centres for holding the
examination will be in Delhi only.  Last date 31st December. More  at
http://www.eyeway.org/?q=jobs  or employment news of 26 November page
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Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[Chandrashekhar Kulkarni]

Dear list memberss,
A very interesting and close to heart topic in the present
circumstances. According to me the problem is more severe for totally
blind persons. Today there is a loud cry for going in for paperless
currency, but has the government really thought about the needs of
differently abled persons or the Hon. Prime Minister and his ministry
really think that Divyang persons have a Divyang which takes them out
of any problems? The Government must think of persons like us not only
from the point of view of accessibility but also from safety and
security.
Sincerely,
C. B. Kulkkarni

On 06/12/2016, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:
> Ok Ajay, you say it is half full and I will say it is half empty. It is easy
> to quote proverbs and sayings, but practical difficulties do not get solved
> by quoting proverbs. You need not accept my views if you disagree with them.
> Just last month 32 lakh debit cards had to be called off. We hear several
> cases of the ATM cards getting stuck in the machine. We also hear about the
> people getting robbed through their credit and debit cards. If it is the
> case with the sighted people, how difficult it can be for the visually
> impaired. Yours, professor Shyam M. sayanekar.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ajay Minocha" 
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled." 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 12:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
> payments is tough call
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> It intirely depends on us if we want to see it half empty or half full.
>>
>> On 12/5/16, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:
>>> A very good and factbased article. In fact a lot of discussion on this
>>> issue
>>> should be unddertaken. Further, the risk factor involved in cashless
>>> transactions with regard to the VI also has to be taken into account.
>>> Non-availability of network, the phones getting out of range are also
>>> other
>>> issues. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Sruti disAbility Rights Centre" 
>>> To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
>>> phones and Tabs." 
>>> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 3:49 PM
>>> Subject: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
>>> payments is tough call
>>>
>>>
 *http://globalaccessibilitynews.com/2016/11/23/for-millions-of-indians-with-disabilities-making-payments-online-is-tough-call/
 *

 *BANGALORE, INDIA:* Booking cabs, buying food and making payments online
 seem like they’re just a swipe and a tap away, but for millions of
 Indians
 with disabilities, these apps are not designed for them to use.


 According to a study conducted by Centre for Internet and Society (CIS)
 last month, many of the most-commonly used mobile apps for food
 delivery,
 online payments, grocery shopping and transportation were not accessible
 to
 people with vision disabilities. The study covered 22 apps.

 The 2011 census puts the number of people with disabilities in the
 country
 at 26 million, while advocacy groups say the real figure is closer to
 150
 million. Last year, India recorded nearly nine billion downloads of
 mobile-based applications last year.

 “The national policy for universal electronic accessibility says that
 all
 IT products and services should be accessible. However, the government
 is
 still unable to implement it. Several government apps are inaccessible,”
 said Nirmita Narasimhan, policy director at CIS. CIS’s survey of some
 key
 government mobile based applications like My Gov, EPathshala and Prime
 Minister Narendra Modi’s official app found them to be severely lacking.
 The illiterate, aged and those not proficient in English would also
 struggle with the apps, the study found. The guidelines for government
 websites laid out accessibility standards in 2009. The 2013 national
 policy
 on universal electronic accessibility clearly upholds equal rights
 “ensuring that accessibility standards and guidelines and universal
 design
 concepts are adopted and adhered to.”

 However, most commonly-used apps fail to follow this. All 22 of the apps
 studied were privately owned but not all were fully compliant with
 universal standards. Of taxi-hailing apps Meru, Ola and Uber, only Uber
 was
 completely accessible to the disabled. The others had mis-labelled or
 unlabeled buttons and graphics.

 When it came to food delivery, Zomato was the best at replicating the
 user
 experience for people with disabilities. Swiggy and Foodpanda were
 difficult for new users, and Freshmenu was completely inaccessible.

 Of the marketplace ap

Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online payments is tough call

[Shyam M. Sayanekar]

Ok Ajay, you say it is half full and I will say it is half empty. It is easy 
to quote proverbs and sayings, but practical difficulties do not get solved 
by quoting proverbs. You need not accept my views if you disagree with them. 
Just last month 32 lakh debit cards had to be called off. We hear several 
cases of the ATM cards getting stuck in the machine. We also hear about the 
people getting robbed through their credit and debit cards. If it is the 
case with the sighted people, how difficult it can be for the visually 
impaired. Yours, professor Shyam M. sayanekar.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ajay Minocha" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled." 

Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2016 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online 
payments is tough call




Hi,

It intirely depends on us if we want to see it half empty or half full.

On 12/5/16, Shyam M. Sayanekar  wrote:
A very good and factbased article. In fact a lot of discussion on this 
issue

should be unddertaken. Further, the risk factor involved in cashless
transactions with regard to the VI also has to be taken into account.
Non-availability of network, the phones getting out of range are also 
other

issues. Professor Shyam M. Sayanekar
- Original Message -
From: "Sruti disAbility Rights Centre" 
To: "Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
phones and Tabs." 
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2016 3:49 PM
Subject: [AI] For Millions of Indians with Disabilities making online
payments is tough call



*http://globalaccessibilitynews.com/2016/11/23/for-millions-of-indians-with-disabilities-making-payments-online-is-tough-call/
*

*BANGALORE, INDIA:* Booking cabs, buying food and making payments online
seem like they’re just a swipe and a tap away, but for millions of 
Indians

with disabilities, these apps are not designed for them to use.


According to a study conducted by Centre for Internet and Society (CIS)
last month, many of the most-commonly used mobile apps for food 
delivery,

online payments, grocery shopping and transportation were not accessible
to
people with vision disabilities. The study covered 22 apps.

The 2011 census puts the number of people with disabilities in the 
country
at 26 million, while advocacy groups say the real figure is closer to 
150

million. Last year, India recorded nearly nine billion downloads of
mobile-based applications last year.

“The national policy for universal electronic accessibility says that 
all
IT products and services should be accessible. However, the government 
is

still unable to implement it. Several government apps are inaccessible,”
said Nirmita Narasimhan, policy director at CIS. CIS’s survey of some 
key

government mobile based applications like My Gov, EPathshala and Prime
Minister Narendra Modi’s official app found them to be severely lacking.
The illiterate, aged and those not proficient in English would also
struggle with the apps, the study found. The guidelines for government
websites laid out accessibility standards in 2009. The 2013 national
policy
on universal electronic accessibility clearly upholds equal rights
“ensuring that accessibility standards and guidelines and universal 
design

concepts are adopted and adhered to.”

However, most commonly-used apps fail to follow this. All 22 of the apps
studied were privately owned but not all were fully compliant with
universal standards. Of taxi-hailing apps Meru, Ola and Uber, only Uber
was
completely accessible to the disabled. The others had mis-labelled or
unlabeled buttons and graphics.

When it came to food delivery, Zomato was the best at replicating the 
user

experience for people with disabilities. Swiggy and Foodpanda were
difficult for new users, and Freshmenu was completely inaccessible.

Of the marketplace apps, Amazon and Snapdeal were the only accessible
ones.
Myntra and Flipkart had incorrectly labelled buttons and misleading
graphic
tags, which made them impossible for people with disabilities to use. 
For
instance, customers would be able to select the product they wanted to 
buy

but had no way of choosing the quantity, the study said. Online grocery
delivery apps Grofers and Zop Now were hard for people with disabilities
to
use, while Big Basket was relatively better though pages change during
orders. Online payment portals Paytm, Oxigen and FreeCharge were
relatively
accessible, the study found.

“Designers, developers and industries need to realize that there are 
more

people out there who use this technology .The market is much bigger and
they should work towards being inclusive,” said Narasimhan of CIS.

Albinder Dhinda, cofounder of grocery delivery service Grofers, said 
their

app meets all accessibility requirements. “However, the disability tools
p