[AI] Sachin P Mampatta reports in the Business Standard: Employment struggles continue after pandemic for those with disabilities

[avinash shahi]

There has also been the loss of existing means of support with layoffs
and economic turmoil costing livelihoods among the PWD population too
https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/employment-struggles-continue-after-pandemic-for-those-with-disabilities-122051101386_1.html

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सहायक/ Assistant
मानव संसाधन प्रबंध विभाग/ Human Resource Management Department
भारतीय रिजर्व बैंक/ Reserve Bank of India
लखनऊ क्षेत्रीय कार्यालय/Lucknow RO
विस्तार/ Extension: 2232

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Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

[anirudh rao]

hi Harish,
I clearly understood your point.

On 8/23/22, Harshit Lohia  wrote:
> Hi Access Indians,
> I also want to put forward my views. Although the solution which I am
> suggesting is a stop-gap arrangement and curtails malpractices only
> partially, it can be a good beginning in this direction without
> brushing many feathers in the influential circles. I suggest that
> initially, say for 2-3 years, written exam (both online and
> pen-and-paper mode) should continue the way they are. Intervention can
> be after that.
> 1. For jobs requiring interview, at the time of interview candidates
> should be provided a computer with screen-reader of their choice
> (which can be declared by candidate at the time of filling the form).
> An audio recording of a passage (say of 100 words) should be given and
> the candidate should be made to type the same independently using
> screen-reader. This will test the basic computer proficiency of the
> candidate and basic language skills such as grammer and spellings.
> 2. For jobs not requiring interview, the candidate can be given the
> flexibility of taking this test either on braille or computer. This
> flexibility is to take care of less priviledged but deserving blind
> candidates.
> The above test will not rule out the scribe business completely but
> totally undeserving blind candidates will be weeded out and it can be
> a good starter. It will also give a signal in the market that the
> government and the industry is keen on addressing these issues.
>
>
> On 8/23/22, ishan sangi  wrote:
>> Dear list members
>>
>> I hope you are doing great
>>
>> I haven't discussed any solution in my previous mails because
>>
>> I am writing a proper case and its solution so that I can share it with
>> everyone over this list
>> Although I support technological intervention in exams but don't you
>> think
>> it is possible to do cheating in exam
>> With the help of computers and laptops
>> And introducing technology in examination hall is not that much  easy it
>> requires lot of changes starting from software development to paper
>> setting
>> and lots of homework because in this case we can't leave any stone unturn
>> and as we know  everything is subjective to person to person however I do
>> support technology and human interaction in exams and will send my
>> opinion
>> very soon
>>
>> Regards
>> Ishan jain
>> Student of Indian institute of management Indore
>> Alumni Of the kirorimal college University of Delhi
>> Co-founder of escafate edtech
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 2:30 PM 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia <
>> accessindia@accessindia.org.in> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, times have changed and so as technology too.
>>> But how many vi students can afford to have computers and learn
>>> technology
>>> in quick time?
>>>
>>> I am only telling that before exploring to give exams in systems, have
>>> practical knowledge to do the exercises rather than struggling during
>>> exams.
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>
>>> DR. PAUL MUDDHA
>>> DIVISIONAL MANAGER
>>> Marketing & Public Relations Wing
>>> Head Office Annex ground Floor
>>> 2nd Cross, Gandhi Nagar Bangalore – 560009
>>> PH NO :080 22207594
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On
>>> Behalf Of anirudh rao
>>> Sent: 23 August 2022 13:22
>>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is
>>> Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?
>>>
>>> CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click
>>> any links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know
>>> that
>>> the content is safe.
>>>
>>> hi Ishan,
>>> you have well pointed out the flaws in both the systems.
>>> but, you have not given any suggestions to improve the same.
>>> by infrastructure developement, what type of improvement are you talking
>>> about?
>>> and what are the infrastructure in this case?
>>> and Paul sir, the time has changed.
>>> technology is the way of the future.
>>>
>>> On 8/23/22, Harish Kotian  wrote:
>>> > Hi
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I have been staying away from this thread, as I have in past, have
>>> > expressed my view on this topic. This issue surfaces time and again on
>>> > this list.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > This is my personal take. I believe, the system should be disabled
>>> > centric. It should support him to bring out his potential fully.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > We should also factor in that disability occurs at different times to
>>> > different persons. Therefore, the time to get rehabilitated is
>>> > different and it cannot be preset. Besides, the level of technology
>>> > intervention besides the quality of technology is so very variant.
>>> > Therefore, what is required is flexibility and spirit of
>>> > accommodation.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Yes, we know as a matter of fact, some folks resort to malpractice
>>> > taking undue advantage of the situation.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The only way out is strict in vigilance. We need to 

Re: [AI] Regarding railway concession form for blinds

[Amiyo Biswas]

Check this site for concession certificate format or applying online:
https://divyangjan-rail.in

With best regards,
Amiyo Biswas
Cell: 6290527506

  - Original Message - 
  From: srinivas bangalore_11 
  To: accessindia 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 8:30 PM
  Subject: [AI] Regarding railway concession form for blinds


  Hi all
  If anyone has railway concession form please send me immediately



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RE: [AI] How to Create Separate Folder In MS Outlook 2019

[deepakarora_07 via AccessIndia]

Hi ,

 

Please follow below steps.

 

1.  Press control+shift+E  to open the create new folder dialogue box
2.  Type the folder name
3.  Press shift +Tab to go to folder location option and select zero level 
folder which is your email id
4.  Press tab to reach to OK button and press enter

 

Thanks & Regards,

Deepak 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of brnaut...@gmail.com
Sent: 22 August 2022 06:58
To: Access India Mailing Group 
Subject: [AI] How to Create Separate Folder In MS Outlook 2019

 

 

Hello friends

Have a nice day to all of you.

Friends, I really want to know, how to create a separate folder in Outlook 
2019? I really want to create a separate folder like in box, out box or send 
box in that row only, not inside any existing folder.

I am using MS Office 2019 retail version.

Thanks in anticipation.

 

With regard

B. R. Nautial

Mobile: 9915073368

 

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Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

[Harshit Lohia]

Hi Access Indians,
I also want to put forward my views. Although the solution which I am
suggesting is a stop-gap arrangement and curtails malpractices only
partially, it can be a good beginning in this direction without
brushing many feathers in the influential circles. I suggest that
initially, say for 2-3 years, written exam (both online and
pen-and-paper mode) should continue the way they are. Intervention can
be after that.
1. For jobs requiring interview, at the time of interview candidates
should be provided a computer with screen-reader of their choice
(which can be declared by candidate at the time of filling the form).
An audio recording of a passage (say of 100 words) should be given and
the candidate should be made to type the same independently using
screen-reader. This will test the basic computer proficiency of the
candidate and basic language skills such as grammer and spellings.
2. For jobs not requiring interview, the candidate can be given the
flexibility of taking this test either on braille or computer. This
flexibility is to take care of less priviledged but deserving blind
candidates.
The above test will not rule out the scribe business completely but
totally undeserving blind candidates will be weeded out and it can be
a good starter. It will also give a signal in the market that the
government and the industry is keen on addressing these issues.


On 8/23/22, ishan sangi  wrote:
> Dear list members
>
> I hope you are doing great
>
> I haven't discussed any solution in my previous mails because
>
> I am writing a proper case and its solution so that I can share it with
> everyone over this list
> Although I support technological intervention in exams but don't you think
> it is possible to do cheating in exam
> With the help of computers and laptops
> And introducing technology in examination hall is not that much  easy it
> requires lot of changes starting from software development to paper setting
> and lots of homework because in this case we can't leave any stone unturn
> and as we know  everything is subjective to person to person however I do
> support technology and human interaction in exams and will send my opinion
> very soon
>
> Regards
> Ishan jain
> Student of Indian institute of management Indore
> Alumni Of the kirorimal college University of Delhi
> Co-founder of escafate edtech
>
> On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 2:30 PM 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia <
> accessindia@accessindia.org.in> wrote:
>
>> Yes, times have changed and so as technology too.
>> But how many vi students can afford to have computers and learn
>> technology
>> in quick time?
>>
>> I am only telling that before exploring to give exams in systems, have
>> practical knowledge to do the exercises rather than struggling during
>> exams.
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> DR. PAUL MUDDHA
>> DIVISIONAL MANAGER
>> Marketing & Public Relations Wing
>> Head Office Annex ground Floor
>> 2nd Cross, Gandhi Nagar Bangalore – 560009
>> PH NO :080 22207594
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On
>> Behalf Of anirudh rao
>> Sent: 23 August 2022 13:22
>> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
>> Subject: Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is
>> Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?
>>
>> CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click
>> any links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know
>> that
>> the content is safe.
>>
>> hi Ishan,
>> you have well pointed out the flaws in both the systems.
>> but, you have not given any suggestions to improve the same.
>> by infrastructure developement, what type of improvement are you talking
>> about?
>> and what are the infrastructure in this case?
>> and Paul sir, the time has changed.
>> technology is the way of the future.
>>
>> On 8/23/22, Harish Kotian  wrote:
>> > Hi
>> >
>> >
>> > I have been staying away from this thread, as I have in past, have
>> > expressed my view on this topic. This issue surfaces time and again on
>> > this list.
>> >
>> >
>> > This is my personal take. I believe, the system should be disabled
>> > centric. It should support him to bring out his potential fully.
>> >
>> >
>> > We should also factor in that disability occurs at different times to
>> > different persons. Therefore, the time to get rehabilitated is
>> > different and it cannot be preset. Besides, the level of technology
>> > intervention besides the quality of technology is so very variant.
>> > Therefore, what is required is flexibility and spirit of accommodation.
>> >
>> >
>> > Yes, we know as a matter of fact, some folks resort to malpractice
>> > taking undue advantage of the situation.
>> >
>> >
>> > The only way out is strict in vigilance. We need to call out names
>> > where we know there is misdoing.We need to complaint about those
>> > persons and make only them pay for it.
>> >
>> >
>> > Merely grumbling here and not doing the later part is doing wrong to
>> > the deserving 

[AI] Seeking participation in a study by Microsoft Research India to make newspapers accessible for the visually impaired

[Peya Mowar]

Hi, we are a team of researchers at Microsoft Research India, working on
developing tools, technologies, and support for people with visual
impairment. In the Microsoft Research India Accessible e-Newspapers
Research Project, we aim to make newspapers accessible to the visually
impaired community.



This study is divided into three parts. The first part delves into the
depth of your experience with accessibility of news from sources such as
newspapers, e-Papers, websites, apps, etc. over a remote phone call (20-30
mins). The second part asks you to read an accessible version of a national
newspaper (either in Hindi or English language) received through email or
Telegram or WhatsApp based on your preference daily for approximately a
period of four weeks. The third part involves sharing your experience of
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interview (30-40 mins).



Upon full completion of the study, you will receive a PayTM/Amazon/Big
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If interested in participating, please contact me at
t-peyamo...@microsoft.com. In case you have any questions about the study
and/or the project, please email me (t-peyamo...@microsoft.com) or Saikat (
sai...@microsoft.com).



We also request you to kindly share this email with your contacts who have
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If you’d rather not be contacted regarding this in the future or have any
questions about this project, please let us know.


Contact: t-peyamo...@microsoft.com (Peya Mowar) or sai...@microsoft.com
(Saikat Guha)

Microsoft Research, Vigyan (Cosmo), Bengaluru, Karnataka – 560001, India.

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Thank you for your time.

Best regards,

Peya Mowar

Research Fellow, Microsoft Research India

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[AI] Learn web development with accessibility

[payal Bansal]

learn easy and fast.
Online Training on Web Development with accessibility.

web development is a creative aart.
it gives you an  opportunity to express yourself creatively on the internet.
HTML and CSS are the beginning of everything you need to know to make your
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knowing HTML and CSS makes it easier for u to learn other coding languages.
Here is the opportunity to learn WEB DEVELOPMENT and web accessibillity .
Ideal academy presents   a 45 days   online training  course on web
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this course will also cover  the introductory part of JAVASCRIPT.
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3.This will be a paid and certified course.

For further details or registration  call or whatsapp  on 9028713008.
You can also  write us at :  idealacademy...@gmail.com

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RE: [AI] Income tax portal

[Ved]

Mostly, the website is accessible but traces where we have to download form 
26AS from, is still holding captcha. Secondly, if one chooses to deposit the 
tax amount via internet banking, some banks offer captcha. So, now the problem 
lies with external sites like traces, NSDL etc.

 

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Kanchan Pamnani
Sent: 23 August 2022 02:28 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] Income tax portal

 

Hi all, 

I am back again asking the same question-what problems still exist?

We have a hearing on 6th September-this is likely to be the last.

It looks unlikely that we are going to get costs 

The only satisfaction is that the portal will be accessible. 

So if you have any problems still please revert immediately. 

It takes too long to sort these issues.  

I had filed the case before the CCPD in October 2021. 

Kanchan 

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RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

[techsavi.shankar]

Pranav happy to see you after a long time. Anyway, as for the current technology
the keyboard is completely disabled for the examination tools. And the user 
cannot swich to applications including the windows default calculator.
Practically speaking, I have seen most of the times though we have a sufficient 
ram, hdd/ssd, screen readers stops behaving and the user tries for the 
troubleshooting 



-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of Pranav Lal
Sent: 24 August 2022 06:01
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 
'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Hi Shankar,

I speak from experience having taken computer-based exams.  It is hard to say 
about extra time, therefore let us get it  but you do not need to develop any 
kind of calculator. The software exists.

Pranav
-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of techsavi.shan...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 11:00 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 
'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Also, the time limits must extended for the screen reader users for calculating 
the mathematical expressions, budget friendly, special talking calculators must 
introduce in the market.
A person must hire for the technology troubleshooting in the examination sender.

-Original Message-
From: techsavi.shan...@gmail.com 
Sent: 23 August 2022 22:49
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 
'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Don’t know about the past generations, but, if you ask me now, each and every 
student must introduced with the screen readers and other technologies from the 
standard 1 in all the integrated plus special schools.
When the student reach standard 5, they should be able to access to internet to 
find the information themselves without depending on the others.
And talking about the examination tool,
A group of people from our community can develop the proto type tool and can 
give the demo on the same to the examination authorities and need to convince 
about the myths and misconception's on accessibility.

-Original Message-
From: 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia 
Sent: 23 August 2022 14:30
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 
'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Yes, times have changed and so as technology too.
But how many vi students can afford to have computers and learn technology in 
quick time?

I am only telling that before exploring to give exams in systems, have 
practical knowledge to do the exercises rather than struggling during exams.
Cheers


DR. PAUL MUDDHA
DIVISIONAL MANAGER
Marketing & Public Relations Wing
Head Office Annex ground Floor
2nd Cross, Gandhi Nagar Bangalore – 560009 PH NO :080 22207594


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From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of anirudh rao
Sent: 23 August 2022 13:22
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 
'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

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hi Ishan,
you have well pointed out the flaws in both the systems.
but, you have not given any suggestions to improve the same.
by infrastructure developement, what type of improvement are you talking about?
and what are the infrastructure in this case?
and Paul sir, the time has changed.
technology is the way of the future.

On 8/23/22, Harish Kotian  wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> I have been staying away from this thread, as I have in past, have 
> expressed my view on this topic. This issue surfaces time and again on 
> this list.
>
>
> This is my personal take. I believe, the system should be disabled 
> centric. It should support him to bring out his potential fully.
>
>
> We should also factor in that disability occurs at different times to 
> different persons. Therefore, the time to get rehabilitated is 
> different and it cannot be preset. Besides, the level of technology 
> intervention besides the quality of technology is so very variant.
> Therefore, what is required is flexibility and spirit of accommodation.
>
>
> Yes, we know as a matter of fact, some folks resort to malpractice 
> taking undue advantage of the situation.
>
>
> The only way out is strict in vigilance. We need to call out names 
> where we know there is misdoing.We need to complaint about those 
> persons and make only them pay for it.
>
>
> Merely grumbling here and not doing the later part is doing wrong to 
> the deserving candidates. It is also alarming, the general perception 
> is altering that blind persons are abusing 

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

[Pranav Lal]

Hi Shankar,

I speak from experience having taken computer-based exams.  It is hard to say 
about extra time, therefore let us get it  but you do not need to develop any 
kind of calculator. The software exists.

Pranav
-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of techsavi.shan...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 11:00 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 
'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Also, the time limits must extended for the screen reader users for calculating 
the mathematical expressions, budget friendly, special talking calculators must 
introduce in the market.
A person must hire for the technology troubleshooting in the examination sender.

-Original Message-
From: techsavi.shan...@gmail.com 
Sent: 23 August 2022 22:49
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 
'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Don’t know about the past generations, but, if you ask me now, each and every 
student must introduced with the screen readers and other technologies from the 
standard 1 in all the integrated plus special schools.
When the student reach standard 5, they should be able to access to internet to 
find the information themselves without depending on the others.
And talking about the examination tool,
A group of people from our community can develop the proto type tool and can 
give the demo on the same to the examination authorities and need to convince 
about the myths and misconception's on accessibility.

-Original Message-
From: 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia 
Sent: 23 August 2022 14:30
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 
'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Yes, times have changed and so as technology too.
But how many vi students can afford to have computers and learn technology in 
quick time?

I am only telling that before exploring to give exams in systems, have 
practical knowledge to do the exercises rather than struggling during exams.
Cheers


DR. PAUL MUDDHA
DIVISIONAL MANAGER
Marketing & Public Relations Wing
Head Office Annex ground Floor
2nd Cross, Gandhi Nagar Bangalore – 560009 PH NO :080 22207594


-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of anirudh rao
Sent: 23 August 2022 13:22
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 
'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click any 
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hi Ishan,
you have well pointed out the flaws in both the systems.
but, you have not given any suggestions to improve the same.
by infrastructure developement, what type of improvement are you talking about?
and what are the infrastructure in this case?
and Paul sir, the time has changed.
technology is the way of the future.

On 8/23/22, Harish Kotian  wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> I have been staying away from this thread, as I have in past, have 
> expressed my view on this topic. This issue surfaces time and again on 
> this list.
>
>
> This is my personal take. I believe, the system should be disabled 
> centric. It should support him to bring out his potential fully.
>
>
> We should also factor in that disability occurs at different times to 
> different persons. Therefore, the time to get rehabilitated is 
> different and it cannot be preset. Besides, the level of technology 
> intervention besides the quality of technology is so very variant.
> Therefore, what is required is flexibility and spirit of accommodation.
>
>
> Yes, we know as a matter of fact, some folks resort to malpractice 
> taking undue advantage of the situation.
>
>
> The only way out is strict in vigilance. We need to call out names 
> where we know there is misdoing.We need to complaint about those 
> persons and make only them pay for it.
>
>
> Merely grumbling here and not doing the later part is doing wrong to 
> the deserving candidates. It is also alarming, the general perception 
> is altering that blind persons are abusing the system. Therefore, the
> onus   of proving that we have earned our marks is on us, by raising our
> standards that no one dares to think otherwise.
>
>
> Harish Kotian
>
>
> On 22/08/2022 20:45, ishan sangi wrote:
>> for more discussion please come on my whatsApp 
>> 
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 8:41 PM ishan sangi  wrote:
>>
>>> hellow everyone
>>>
>>> this is my 2nd mail on this topic
>>>
>>> let me share some cases with you all after there are some questions 
>>> which I need answers from all of you
>>>
>>> case 1.
>>> a student of class x who is  blind he prepare for his class x exam 
>>> and he was sure that  he will score well 

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

[Pranav Lal]

Dear Ishan,

 

As for computers and laptops and cheating, how would you cheat? This assumes 
that the institution is supplying the device. There are ways to block cheating 
even on your own device. One possible workaround is to use the cloud in terms 
of a desktop as a service model where you have a golden image which you use. 
This will have a set version of the operating system and screen reader 
installed. You can have a containerized application running on your own machine 
as well and it is hard for any user to break out of that container.. 

 

I have taken exams on the computer where at least I was hard put to do anything 
else. You do not need to do any software development. You keep the computer on 
a restricted internet connection and unless the student wants to waste time 
hacking the internet gateway, he is going to be hard put to cheat. Moreover, 
think of controls as a layered approach. You have technical controls and then 
you have the process controls in the form of invigilation.

For that matter, you get software today that can monitor the keystrokes of a 
user. You can even keep a log of what the student did for later review.

In one of your earlier posts, you listed some issues with technology. Exam 
question paper digital formats need to be standardized. Technology solutions 
are in place. We need administrative solutions here. 

 

Pranav

From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of ishan sangi
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2022 5:52 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 
'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

 

Dear list members

I hope you are doing great

I haven't discussed any solution in my previous mails because

I am writing a proper case and its solution so that I can share it with 
everyone over this list
Although I support technological intervention in exams but don't you think it 
is possible to do cheating in exam
With the help of computers and laptops
And introducing technology in examination hall is not that much  easy it 
requires lot of changes starting from software development to paper setting and 
lots of homework because in this case we can't leave any stone unturn and as we 
know  everything is subjective to person to person however I do support 
technology and human interaction in exams and will send my opinion very soon

Regards 
Ishan jain
Student of Indian institute of management Indore
Alumni Of the kirorimal college University of Delhi
Co-founder of escafate edtech 

 

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 2:30 PM 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia 
mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > wrote:

Yes, times have changed and so as technology too.
But how many vi students can afford to have computers and learn technology in 
quick time?

I am only telling that before exploring to give exams in systems, have 
practical knowledge to do the exercises rather than struggling during exams.
Cheers


DR. PAUL MUDDHA
DIVISIONAL MANAGER
Marketing & Public Relations Wing
Head Office Annex ground Floor
2nd Cross, Gandhi Nagar Bangalore – 560009
PH NO :080 22207594


-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in   
mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in> > On 
Behalf Of anirudh rao
Sent: 23 August 2022 13:22
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  
Subject: Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 
'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click any 
links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know that the 
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hi Ishan,
you have well pointed out the flaws in both the systems.
but, you have not given any suggestions to improve the same.
by infrastructure developement, what type of improvement are you talking about?
and what are the infrastructure in this case?
and Paul sir, the time has changed.
technology is the way of the future.

On 8/23/22, Harish Kotian mailto:hpkot...@outlook.com> > 
wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> I have been staying away from this thread, as I have in past, have
> expressed my view on this topic. This issue surfaces time and again on
> this list.
>
>
> This is my personal take. I believe, the system should be disabled
> centric. It should support him to bring out his potential fully.
>
>
> We should also factor in that disability occurs at different times to
> different persons. Therefore, the time to get rehabilitated is
> different and it cannot be preset. Besides, the level of technology
> intervention besides the quality of technology is so very variant.
> Therefore, what is required is flexibility and spirit of accommodation.
>
>
> Yes, we know as a matter of fact, some folks resort to malpractice
> taking undue advantage of the situation.
>
>
> The only way out is strict in vigilance. We need to call out names
> where we know there is misdoing.We need to complaint about those

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

[techsavi.shankar]

Also, the time limits must extended for the screen reader users for calculating 
the mathematical expressions, budget friendly, special talking calculators must 
introduce in the market.
A person must hire for the technology troubleshooting in the examination sender.

-Original Message-
From: techsavi.shan...@gmail.com  
Sent: 23 August 2022 22:49
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 
'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Don’t know about the past generations, but, if you ask me now, each and every 
student must introduced with the screen readers and other technologies from the 
standard 1 in all the integrated plus special schools.
When the student reach standard 5, they should be able to access to internet to 
find the information themselves without depending on the others.
And talking about the examination tool,
A group of people from our community can develop the proto type tool and can 
give the demo on the same to the examination authorities and need to convince 
about the myths and misconception's on accessibility.

-Original Message-
From: 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia 
Sent: 23 August 2022 14:30
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 
'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Yes, times have changed and so as technology too.
But how many vi students can afford to have computers and learn technology in 
quick time?

I am only telling that before exploring to give exams in systems, have 
practical knowledge to do the exercises rather than struggling during exams.
Cheers


DR. PAUL MUDDHA
DIVISIONAL MANAGER
Marketing & Public Relations Wing
Head Office Annex ground Floor
2nd Cross, Gandhi Nagar Bangalore – 560009 PH NO :080 22207594


-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of anirudh rao
Sent: 23 August 2022 13:22
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 
'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click any 
links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know that the 
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hi Ishan,
you have well pointed out the flaws in both the systems.
but, you have not given any suggestions to improve the same.
by infrastructure developement, what type of improvement are you talking about?
and what are the infrastructure in this case?
and Paul sir, the time has changed.
technology is the way of the future.

On 8/23/22, Harish Kotian  wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> I have been staying away from this thread, as I have in past, have 
> expressed my view on this topic. This issue surfaces time and again on 
> this list.
>
>
> This is my personal take. I believe, the system should be disabled 
> centric. It should support him to bring out his potential fully.
>
>
> We should also factor in that disability occurs at different times to 
> different persons. Therefore, the time to get rehabilitated is 
> different and it cannot be preset. Besides, the level of technology 
> intervention besides the quality of technology is so very variant.
> Therefore, what is required is flexibility and spirit of accommodation.
>
>
> Yes, we know as a matter of fact, some folks resort to malpractice 
> taking undue advantage of the situation.
>
>
> The only way out is strict in vigilance. We need to call out names 
> where we know there is misdoing.We need to complaint about those 
> persons and make only them pay for it.
>
>
> Merely grumbling here and not doing the later part is doing wrong to 
> the deserving candidates. It is also alarming, the general perception 
> is altering that blind persons are abusing the system. Therefore, the
> onus   of proving that we have earned our marks is on us, by raising our
> standards that no one dares to think otherwise.
>
>
> Harish Kotian
>
>
> On 22/08/2022 20:45, ishan sangi wrote:
>> for more discussion please come on my whatsApp 
>> 
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 8:41 PM ishan sangi  wrote:
>>
>>> hellow everyone
>>>
>>> this is my 2nd mail on this topic
>>>
>>> let me share some cases with you all after there are some questions 
>>> which I need answers from all of you
>>>
>>> case 1.
>>> a student of class x who is  blind he prepare for his class x exam 
>>> and he was sure that  he will score well in Exams. on the day of 
>>> exam the bord give him scribe but the scribe was not good with 
>>> english but student does not want to spoil his exam he started with 
>>> exam, after scribe started facing problems with  pronunciation he 
>>> started to speeking  spelling e.g. transaction he told  t r a n s a 
>>> c t I o n since the student was from english medium  school he was 
>>> given best scribe in previous exams. and now he was faseing problem 
>>> but he was understanding and answering questions, when 

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

[techsavi.shankar]

Don’t know about the past generations, but, if you ask me now, each and every 
student must introduced with the screen readers and other technologies from the 
standard 1 in all the integrated plus special schools.
When the student reach standard 5, they should be able to access to internet to 
find the information themselves without depending on the others.
And talking about the examination tool,
A group of people from our community can develop the proto type tool and can 
give the demo on the same to the examination authorities and need to convince 
about the myths and misconception's on accessibility.

-Original Message-
From: 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia  
Sent: 23 August 2022 14:30
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 
'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

Yes, times have changed and so as technology too.
But how many vi students can afford to have computers and learn technology in 
quick time?

I am only telling that before exploring to give exams in systems, have 
practical knowledge to do the exercises rather than struggling during exams.
Cheers


DR. PAUL MUDDHA
DIVISIONAL MANAGER
Marketing & Public Relations Wing
Head Office Annex ground Floor
2nd Cross, Gandhi Nagar Bangalore – 560009 PH NO :080 22207594


-Original Message-
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On Behalf 
Of anirudh rao
Sent: 23 August 2022 13:22
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 
'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click any 
links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know that the 
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hi Ishan,
you have well pointed out the flaws in both the systems.
but, you have not given any suggestions to improve the same.
by infrastructure developement, what type of improvement are you talking about?
and what are the infrastructure in this case?
and Paul sir, the time has changed.
technology is the way of the future.

On 8/23/22, Harish Kotian  wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> I have been staying away from this thread, as I have in past, have 
> expressed my view on this topic. This issue surfaces time and again on 
> this list.
>
>
> This is my personal take. I believe, the system should be disabled 
> centric. It should support him to bring out his potential fully.
>
>
> We should also factor in that disability occurs at different times to 
> different persons. Therefore, the time to get rehabilitated is 
> different and it cannot be preset. Besides, the level of technology 
> intervention besides the quality of technology is so very variant.
> Therefore, what is required is flexibility and spirit of accommodation.
>
>
> Yes, we know as a matter of fact, some folks resort to malpractice 
> taking undue advantage of the situation.
>
>
> The only way out is strict in vigilance. We need to call out names 
> where we know there is misdoing.We need to complaint about those 
> persons and make only them pay for it.
>
>
> Merely grumbling here and not doing the later part is doing wrong to 
> the deserving candidates. It is also alarming, the general perception 
> is altering that blind persons are abusing the system. Therefore, the
> onus   of proving that we have earned our marks is on us, by raising our
> standards that no one dares to think otherwise.
>
>
> Harish Kotian
>
>
> On 22/08/2022 20:45, ishan sangi wrote:
>> for more discussion please come on my whatsApp 
>> 
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 8:41 PM ishan sangi  wrote:
>>
>>> hellow everyone
>>>
>>> this is my 2nd mail on this topic
>>>
>>> let me share some cases with you all after there are some questions 
>>> which I need answers from all of you
>>>
>>> case 1.
>>> a student of class x who is  blind he prepare for his class x exam 
>>> and he was sure that  he will score well in Exams. on the day of 
>>> exam the bord give him scribe but the scribe was not good with 
>>> english but student does not want to spoil his exam he started with 
>>> exam, after scribe started facing problems with  pronunciation he 
>>> started to speeking  spelling e.g. transaction he told  t r a n s a 
>>> c t I o n since the student was from english medium  school he was 
>>> given best scribe in previous exams. and now he was faseing problem 
>>> but he was understanding and answering questions, when student was 
>>> answering  questions he have to tell most of  word in the form of 
>>> spelling e.g. if student want to  dictate isolation he have to do 
>>> like I s  o l a  t I  o n which is taking time please note that the 
>>> scribe was from senter and was studying in class IX because of this 
>>> the student got only 64 %
>>>
>>>   part end
>>> questions
>>> what was the falt of student?
>>> now who is responsible for this?
>>>
>>> case 2
>>> this time that student opted  for PC based exam for his class 

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Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

[ishan sangi]

Dear list members

I hope you are doing great

I haven't discussed any solution in my previous mails because

I am writing a proper case and its solution so that I can share it with
everyone over this list
Although I support technological intervention in exams but don't you think
it is possible to do cheating in exam
With the help of computers and laptops
And introducing technology in examination hall is not that much  easy it
requires lot of changes starting from software development to paper setting
and lots of homework because in this case we can't leave any stone unturn
and as we know  everything is subjective to person to person however I do
support technology and human interaction in exams and will send my opinion
very soon

Regards
Ishan jain
Student of Indian institute of management Indore
Alumni Of the kirorimal college University of Delhi
Co-founder of escafate edtech

On Tue, Aug 23, 2022, 2:30 PM 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia <
accessindia@accessindia.org.in> wrote:

> Yes, times have changed and so as technology too.
> But how many vi students can afford to have computers and learn technology
> in quick time?
>
> I am only telling that before exploring to give exams in systems, have
> practical knowledge to do the exercises rather than struggling during exams.
> Cheers
>
>
> DR. PAUL MUDDHA
> DIVISIONAL MANAGER
> Marketing & Public Relations Wing
> Head Office Annex ground Floor
> 2nd Cross, Gandhi Nagar Bangalore – 560009
> PH NO :080 22207594
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in  On
> Behalf Of anirudh rao
> Sent: 23 August 2022 13:22
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is
> Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?
>
> CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click
> any links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know that
> the content is safe.
>
> hi Ishan,
> you have well pointed out the flaws in both the systems.
> but, you have not given any suggestions to improve the same.
> by infrastructure developement, what type of improvement are you talking
> about?
> and what are the infrastructure in this case?
> and Paul sir, the time has changed.
> technology is the way of the future.
>
> On 8/23/22, Harish Kotian  wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> >
> > I have been staying away from this thread, as I have in past, have
> > expressed my view on this topic. This issue surfaces time and again on
> > this list.
> >
> >
> > This is my personal take. I believe, the system should be disabled
> > centric. It should support him to bring out his potential fully.
> >
> >
> > We should also factor in that disability occurs at different times to
> > different persons. Therefore, the time to get rehabilitated is
> > different and it cannot be preset. Besides, the level of technology
> > intervention besides the quality of technology is so very variant.
> > Therefore, what is required is flexibility and spirit of accommodation.
> >
> >
> > Yes, we know as a matter of fact, some folks resort to malpractice
> > taking undue advantage of the situation.
> >
> >
> > The only way out is strict in vigilance. We need to call out names
> > where we know there is misdoing.We need to complaint about those
> > persons and make only them pay for it.
> >
> >
> > Merely grumbling here and not doing the later part is doing wrong to
> > the deserving candidates. It is also alarming, the general perception
> > is altering that blind persons are abusing the system. Therefore, the
> > onus   of proving that we have earned our marks is on us, by raising our
> > standards that no one dares to think otherwise.
> >
> >
> > Harish Kotian
> >
> >
> > On 22/08/2022 20:45, ishan sangi wrote:
> >> for more discussion please come on my whatsApp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 8:41 PM ishan sangi 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> hellow everyone
> >>>
> >>> this is my 2nd mail on this topic
> >>>
> >>> let me share some cases with you all after there are some questions
> >>> which I need answers from all of you
> >>>
> >>> case 1.
> >>> a student of class x who is  blind he prepare for his class x exam
> >>> and he was sure that  he will score well in Exams. on the day of
> >>> exam the bord give him scribe but the scribe was not good with
> >>> english but student does not want to spoil his exam he started with
> >>> exam, after scribe started facing problems with  pronunciation he
> >>> started to speeking  spelling e.g. transaction he told  t r a n s a
> >>> c t I o n since the student was from english medium  school he was
> >>> given best scribe in previous exams. and now he was faseing problem
> >>> but he was understanding and answering questions, when student was
> >>> answering  questions he have to tell most of  word in the form of
> >>> spelling e.g. if student want to  dictate isolation he have to do
> >>> like I s  o l a  t I  o n which is taking time please 

Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

[Harish Kotian]

Hi Anirudh


To summarize what I wrote in my last post:

1 The exam process should be disabled centric. Meaning option to use 
scribe, technology etc whatever suits the candidate.


2 Complaining to authorities whenever we come to know about any malpractice.

3 Strict envigilance

4Raising our bar so that no one   can have any room to doubt our 
credibility and ability.


These were what I was trying to convey.

Harish Kotian


On 23/08/2022 13:22, anirudh rao wrote:

hi Ishan,
you have well pointed out the flaws in both the systems.
but, you have not given any suggestions to improve the same.
by infrastructure developement, what type of improvement are you talking about?
and what are the infrastructure in this case?
and Paul sir, the time has changed.
technology is the way of the future.

On 8/23/22, Harish Kotian  wrote:

Hi


I have been staying away from this thread, as I have in past, have
expressed my view on this topic. This issue surfaces time and again on
this list.


This is my personal take. I believe, the system should be disabled
centric. It should support him to bring out his potential fully.


We should also factor in that disability occurs at different times to
different persons. Therefore, the time to get rehabilitated is different
and it cannot be preset. Besides, the level of technology intervention
besides the quality of technology is so very variant. Therefore, what is
required is flexibility and spirit of accommodation.


Yes, we know as a matter of fact, some folks resort to malpractice
taking undue advantage of the situation.


The only way out is strict in vigilance. We need to call out names where
we know there is misdoing.We need to complaint about those persons and
make only them pay for it.


Merely grumbling here and not doing the later part is doing wrong to the
deserving candidates. It is also alarming, the general perception is
altering that blind persons are abusing the system. Therefore, the
onus   of proving that we have earned our marks is on us, by raising our
standards that no one dares to think otherwise.


Harish Kotian


On 22/08/2022 20:45, ishan sangi wrote:

for more discussion please come on my whatsApp


On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 8:41 PM ishan sangi  wrote:


hellow everyone

this is my 2nd mail on this topic

let me share some cases with you all after there are some questions
which
I need answers from all of you

case 1.
a student of class x who is  blind he prepare for his class x exam and
he
was sure that  he will score well in Exams. on the day of exam the bord
give him scribe but the scribe was not good with english but student
does
not want to spoil his exam he started with exam, after scribe started
facing problems with  pronunciation he started to speeking  spelling
e.g. transaction he told  t r a n s a c t I o n since the student was
from
english medium  school he was given best scribe in previous exams. and
now
he was faseing problem but he was understanding and answering questions,
when student was answering  questions he have to tell most of  word in
the
form of spelling e.g. if student want to  dictate isolation he have to
do
like I s  o l a  t I  o n which is taking time
please note that
the scribe was from senter and was studying in class IX
because of this the student got only 64 %

   part end
questions
what was the falt of student?
now who is responsible for this?

case 2
this time that student opted  for PC based exam for his class XII exam
he
was having subjects accounts, English, economics, business studies,
maths
and  psychology on the first day he has paper of  accounts  when he
reached
on his examination center he found out that the computers were not fine
and
screen reader wascrashing he suffered from time shortage harf of his
paper was unattempted
2nd day when he having english exam things were fine  he did his paper
before time and came back home
3rd day when he has maths paper the screen reader was not reading
question
properly again his paper was not good e.g. screen reader was reading
times
simble  as X pai simble as !! divided simble as dash or plus, union
simble
U and 2 upon 5 as 2
5
next day psychology  paper was good
but on the day of economics paper  because of OCR problem again
mathematical simble were not read properly and  5X5 XY  graf was told
like
xx
5
4
33
2
1
012345
how will he answer questions like these
on the day of  business studys paper suddenly computer got stopd, and it
wasn't started after many  tries.
on the result day
he got psychology 97 English 99 economics 43 maths 50 accounts 59 and in
business study paper it was 0
total 348/600=58%
his pre boad result
he got psychology 87  English 90 economics 93 maths 90 accounts 99 and
in
business study 95
total 554/600

he can't make to his dream college
case end
what was the falt of student?
now who is responsible for this?
shouldn't we have to improve infrastructure first?
who will lisson his part?
what about his hardwork?
should he 

RE: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

['PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia]

Yes, times have changed and so as technology too.
But how many vi students can afford to have computers and learn technology in 
quick time?

I am only telling that before exploring to give exams in systems, have 
practical knowledge to do the exercises rather than struggling during exams.
Cheers


DR. PAUL MUDDHA
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Head Office Annex ground Floor
2nd Cross, Gandhi Nagar Bangalore – 560009
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hi Ishan,
you have well pointed out the flaws in both the systems.
but, you have not given any suggestions to improve the same.
by infrastructure developement, what type of improvement are you talking about?
and what are the infrastructure in this case?
and Paul sir, the time has changed.
technology is the way of the future.

On 8/23/22, Harish Kotian  wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> I have been staying away from this thread, as I have in past, have
> expressed my view on this topic. This issue surfaces time and again on
> this list.
>
>
> This is my personal take. I believe, the system should be disabled
> centric. It should support him to bring out his potential fully.
>
>
> We should also factor in that disability occurs at different times to
> different persons. Therefore, the time to get rehabilitated is
> different and it cannot be preset. Besides, the level of technology
> intervention besides the quality of technology is so very variant.
> Therefore, what is required is flexibility and spirit of accommodation.
>
>
> Yes, we know as a matter of fact, some folks resort to malpractice
> taking undue advantage of the situation.
>
>
> The only way out is strict in vigilance. We need to call out names
> where we know there is misdoing.We need to complaint about those
> persons and make only them pay for it.
>
>
> Merely grumbling here and not doing the later part is doing wrong to
> the deserving candidates. It is also alarming, the general perception
> is altering that blind persons are abusing the system. Therefore, the
> onus   of proving that we have earned our marks is on us, by raising our
> standards that no one dares to think otherwise.
>
>
> Harish Kotian
>
>
> On 22/08/2022 20:45, ishan sangi wrote:
>> for more discussion please come on my whatsApp
>> 
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 8:41 PM ishan sangi  wrote:
>>
>>> hellow everyone
>>>
>>> this is my 2nd mail on this topic
>>>
>>> let me share some cases with you all after there are some questions
>>> which I need answers from all of you
>>>
>>> case 1.
>>> a student of class x who is  blind he prepare for his class x exam
>>> and he was sure that  he will score well in Exams. on the day of
>>> exam the bord give him scribe but the scribe was not good with
>>> english but student does not want to spoil his exam he started with
>>> exam, after scribe started facing problems with  pronunciation he
>>> started to speeking  spelling e.g. transaction he told  t r a n s a
>>> c t I o n since the student was from english medium  school he was
>>> given best scribe in previous exams. and now he was faseing problem
>>> but he was understanding and answering questions, when student was
>>> answering  questions he have to tell most of  word in the form of
>>> spelling e.g. if student want to  dictate isolation he have to do
>>> like I s  o l a  t I  o n which is taking time please note that the
>>> scribe was from senter and was studying in class IX because of this
>>> the student got only 64 %
>>>
>>>   part end
>>> questions
>>> what was the falt of student?
>>> now who is responsible for this?
>>>
>>> case 2
>>> this time that student opted  for PC based exam for his class XII
>>> exam he was having subjects accounts, English, economics, business
>>> studies, maths and  psychology on the first day he has paper of
>>> accounts  when he reached on his examination center he found out
>>> that the computers were not fine and
>>> screen reader wascrashing he suffered from time shortage harf of his
>>> paper was unattempted
>>> 2nd day when he having english exam things were fine  he did his
>>> paper before time and came back home 3rd day when he has maths paper
>>> the screen reader was not reading question properly again his paper
>>> was not good e.g. screen reader was reading times simble  as X pai
>>> simble as !! divided simble as dash or plus, union simble U and 2
>>> upon 5 as 2
>>> 5
>>> next day psychology  paper was good
>>> but on the day of economics paper  because of OCR problem again
>>> mathematical simble were not read properly 

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Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

[anirudh rao]

hi Ishan,
you have well pointed out the flaws in both the systems.
but, you have not given any suggestions to improve the same.
by infrastructure developement, what type of improvement are you talking about?
and what are the infrastructure in this case?
and Paul sir, the time has changed.
technology is the way of the future.

On 8/23/22, Harish Kotian  wrote:
> Hi
>
>
> I have been staying away from this thread, as I have in past, have
> expressed my view on this topic. This issue surfaces time and again on
> this list.
>
>
> This is my personal take. I believe, the system should be disabled
> centric. It should support him to bring out his potential fully.
>
>
> We should also factor in that disability occurs at different times to
> different persons. Therefore, the time to get rehabilitated is different
> and it cannot be preset. Besides, the level of technology intervention
> besides the quality of technology is so very variant. Therefore, what is
> required is flexibility and spirit of accommodation.
>
>
> Yes, we know as a matter of fact, some folks resort to malpractice
> taking undue advantage of the situation.
>
>
> The only way out is strict in vigilance. We need to call out names where
> we know there is misdoing.We need to complaint about those persons and
> make only them pay for it.
>
>
> Merely grumbling here and not doing the later part is doing wrong to the
> deserving candidates. It is also alarming, the general perception is
> altering that blind persons are abusing the system. Therefore, the
> onus   of proving that we have earned our marks is on us, by raising our
> standards that no one dares to think otherwise.
>
>
> Harish Kotian
>
>
> On 22/08/2022 20:45, ishan sangi wrote:
>> for more discussion please come on my whatsApp
>> 
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 8:41 PM ishan sangi  wrote:
>>
>>> hellow everyone
>>>
>>> this is my 2nd mail on this topic
>>>
>>> let me share some cases with you all after there are some questions
>>> which
>>> I need answers from all of you
>>>
>>> case 1.
>>> a student of class x who is  blind he prepare for his class x exam and
>>> he
>>> was sure that  he will score well in Exams. on the day of exam the bord
>>> give him scribe but the scribe was not good with english but student
>>> does
>>> not want to spoil his exam he started with exam, after scribe started
>>> facing problems with  pronunciation he started to speeking  spelling
>>> e.g. transaction he told  t r a n s a c t I o n since the student was
>>> from
>>> english medium  school he was given best scribe in previous exams. and
>>> now
>>> he was faseing problem but he was understanding and answering questions,
>>> when student was answering  questions he have to tell most of  word in
>>> the
>>> form of spelling e.g. if student want to  dictate isolation he have to
>>> do
>>> like I s  o l a  t I  o n which is taking time
>>> please note that
>>> the scribe was from senter and was studying in class IX
>>> because of this the student got only 64 %
>>>
>>>   part end
>>> questions
>>> what was the falt of student?
>>> now who is responsible for this?
>>>
>>> case 2
>>> this time that student opted  for PC based exam for his class XII exam
>>> he
>>> was having subjects accounts, English, economics, business studies,
>>> maths
>>> and  psychology on the first day he has paper of  accounts  when he
>>> reached
>>> on his examination center he found out that the computers were not fine
>>> and
>>> screen reader wascrashing he suffered from time shortage harf of his
>>> paper was unattempted
>>> 2nd day when he having english exam things were fine  he did his paper
>>> before time and came back home
>>> 3rd day when he has maths paper the screen reader was not reading
>>> question
>>> properly again his paper was not good e.g. screen reader was reading
>>> times
>>> simble  as X pai simble as !! divided simble as dash or plus, union
>>> simble
>>> U and 2 upon 5 as 2
>>> 5
>>> next day psychology  paper was good
>>> but on the day of economics paper  because of OCR problem again
>>> mathematical simble were not read properly and  5X5 XY  graf was told
>>> like
>>> xx
>>> 5
>>> 4
>>> 33
>>> 2
>>> 1
>>> 012345
>>> how will he answer questions like these
>>> on the day of  business studys paper suddenly computer got stopd, and it
>>> wasn't started after many  tries.
>>> on the result day
>>> he got psychology 97 English 99 economics 43 maths 50 accounts 59 and in
>>> business study paper it was 0
>>> total 348/600=58%
>>> his pre boad result
>>> he got psychology 87  English 90 economics 93 maths 90 accounts 99 and
>>> in
>>> business study 95
>>> total 554/600
>>>
>>> he can't make to his dream college
>>> case end
>>> what was the falt of student?
>>> now who is responsible for this?
>>> shouldn't we have to improve infrastructure first?
>>> who will lisson his part?
>>> what about his hardwork?
>>> should he stop studying  subjects like economics, maths etc?
>>>
>>>

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Re: [AI] How to Create Separate Folder In MS Outlook 2019

[sasikumar s]

Dear friend,
Open outlook through start menu and press alt button to open menu bar.
Then use right arrow to folder menu and use tab key to open folder
menu options. then you will   reach create folder options. After
reaching create folder options, press enter on it to activate. Then,
type folder name on the firts form field. after that use tab key to
move next form field select the items to placed in the folder.
Finally, press enter on that ok button to create folder on outlook.

On 8/22/22, Vaibhav Saraf  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> You will need to go to the email account on Level 0, x...@abc.com. Right
> click there and choose New folder.
>
> HTH,
> Vaibhav
>
>
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 at 21:27,  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hello friends
>>
>> Have a nice day to all of you.
>>
>> Friends, I really want to know, how to create a separate folder in
>> Outlook
>> 2019? I really want to create a separate folder like in box, out box or
>> send box in that row only, not inside any existing folder.
>>
>> I am using MS Office 2019 retail version.
>>
>> Thanks in anticipation.
>>
>>
>>
>> With regard
>>
>> B. R. Nautial
>>
>> Mobile: 9915073368
>>
>>
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Re: [AI] From Charging Lakhs to Offering Proxy Candidates, Is Exam 'Scribe Service' Turning Into 'Business'?

[Harish Kotian]

Hi


I have been staying away from this thread, as I have in past, have 
expressed my view on this topic. This issue surfaces time and again on  
this list.



This is my personal take. I believe, the system should be disabled 
centric. It should support him to bring out his potential fully.



We should also factor in that disability occurs at different times to 
different persons. Therefore, the time to get rehabilitated is different 
and it cannot be preset. Besides, the level of technology intervention 
besides the quality of technology is so very variant. Therefore, what is 
required is flexibility and spirit of accommodation.



Yes, we know as a matter of fact, some folks resort to malpractice 
taking undue advantage of the situation.



The only way out is strict in vigilance. We need to call out names where 
we know there is misdoing.We need to complaint about those persons and 
make only them pay for it.



Merely grumbling here and not doing the later part is doing wrong to the 
deserving candidates. It is also alarming, the general perception is 
altering that blind persons are abusing the system. Therefore, the 
onus   of proving that we have earned our marks is on us, by raising our 
standards that no one dares to think otherwise.



Harish Kotian


On 22/08/2022 20:45, ishan sangi wrote:

for more discussion please come on my whatsApp 

On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 8:41 PM ishan sangi  wrote:


hellow everyone

this is my 2nd mail on this topic

let me share some cases with you all after there are some questions which
I need answers from all of you

case 1.
a student of class x who is  blind he prepare for his class x exam and he
was sure that  he will score well in Exams. on the day of exam the bord
give him scribe but the scribe was not good with english but student does
not want to spoil his exam he started with exam, after scribe started
facing problems with  pronunciation he started to speeking  spelling
e.g. transaction he told  t r a n s a c t I o n since the student was from
english medium  school he was given best scribe in previous exams. and now
he was faseing problem but he was understanding and answering questions,
when student was answering  questions he have to tell most of  word in the
form of spelling e.g. if student want to  dictate isolation he have to do
like I s  o l a  t I  o n which is taking time
please note that
the scribe was from senter and was studying in class IX
because of this the student got only 64 %

  part end
questions
what was the falt of student?
now who is responsible for this?

case 2
this time that student opted  for PC based exam for his class XII exam  he
was having subjects accounts, English, economics, business studies, maths
and  psychology on the first day he has paper of  accounts  when he reached
on his examination center he found out that the computers were not fine and
screen reader wascrashing he suffered from time shortage harf of his
paper was unattempted
2nd day when he having english exam things were fine  he did his paper
before time and came back home
3rd day when he has maths paper the screen reader was not reading question
properly again his paper was not good e.g. screen reader was reading times
simble  as X pai simble as !! divided simble as dash or plus, union  simble
U and 2 upon 5 as 2
5
next day psychology  paper was good
but on the day of economics paper  because of OCR problem again
mathematical simble were not read properly and  5X5 XY  graf was told like
xx
5
4
33
2
1
012345
how will he answer questions like these
on the day of  business studys paper suddenly computer got stopd, and it
wasn't started after many  tries.
on the result day
he got psychology 97 English 99 economics 43 maths 50 accounts 59 and in
business study paper it was 0
total 348/600=58%
his pre boad result
he got psychology 87  English 90 economics 93 maths 90 accounts 99 and in
business study 95
total 554/600

he can't make to his dream college
case end
what was the falt of student?
now who is responsible for this?
shouldn't we have to improve infrastructure first?
who will lisson his part?
what about his hardwork?
should he stop studying  subjects like economics, maths etc?


now if we are talking about scribe vs screan reader what is write


note both cases are not related to any live or ded  person

want to just explain how are problems are different in real life


and yes I was just  putting my points
don't want to hert  anyone's feelling
regards
ishan jain
co founder of EscaFate EdTech
student of indian institute of management indore
alumni of KiroriMal College University of Delhi
contact at
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On Mon, Aug 22, 2022 at 9:02 AM Marisport A  wrote:


Dear AI members,

This is a good discussion.

When we were asked to give our voice on NEP on