Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore
and on the other side, we have to discourage the beggars so that their earnings from begging gets reduced so as to force them out of begging. I am not against your opinion of offering higher base salary. but, in the existing situation, where it is very difficult for even a sighted person to get a job with Rs. 1 to 15000, it may not always be practically feasible. it is disheartening to hear those beggars saying they are not willing to work for such salaries. that is why I don't encourage any beggar even if he is blind by giving money. according to me, begging should be less profitable for any person than any other productive job. otherwise, those other jobs loose supply of labour under the competitive assumptions and in the absence of barriers to labour mobility. it should be little less than meager subsistence level so that these people don't spend earning out of their begging for bad habits; and they are ready to work for a subsistence earning. Umesha - Original Message - From: Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, 23 November, 2013 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore Hi Umesha, I suspect we need to offer a higher base salary to attract blind beggers away from begging. This is potentially a research topic. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore
However beggers are there or not, Society is looking at us like that from ages. With care and regards, Kannan ... Skype: kankale63 On 11/20/2013 1:26 AM, mahendra wrote: Hi friends i don't support begging, however question is, are they begging because of blindness or even as sighted, they would be begging? of course it gives bad name about all of us in genral, but that is a problem not of there making. At 08:06 PM 11/19/2013, you wrote: hello, this is indeed ideal cause. but even my experience is very negative on this work. i know couple of of my own schoolmates who are begging in the local trains of mumbai. they are well educated even graduates. as i always in the search of my old friends and would like to find out about their life, i recently got in touch with few of them, who have passed their graduation, and due to lack of job opportunities around ten years back, they got in to this begging forcefully. while in conversation with them, i tried to offer few job opportunities to them in which they could earn 6 to 7 k initially which would grow over six months period to 15 to 20 k per month. but to my surprise, they simply rejected my offers and informed me that they can now easily earn rs500 per day in begging so why should they take any job which would decrease their present income? i tried to explain them about their tallents which will be fairly utilised and chances about promotions. but they are not willing to compromise with their present job. they now have the habbit of living lavish life having too many edictions like chewing tobaccos, ghutkas etc. which has become the part of their daily food. they say that they are happy doing this and would like to know technics to earn more out of begging. in their language, if i got the job, not necessary that we will get it and do not want to waste the time. once i tried to invite one of them to my place outside mumbai with the intention of changing his mind towards work during my stay, but i was not successful. rather i was surprised to know his demands to pay back to him his ticket charges, reimbursement of his daily food like mentioned above in the travel etc. along with his expected income of begging i.e. rs.500 per day for which he stayed with me. so hope that something good happends to their life in terms of rewarding their tallents by getting good jobs. thanks, On 11/19/13, Neerajsaxena neerajsaxena12...@gmail.com wrote: The solution is sheltered workshops, the idea was mooted but never implimented issue is who should run them ideally government must take full responsibility. Yes, begging should be discurraged by all. -Original message- From: Syed Imran Sent: 19/11/2013, 11:00 pm To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore I'm trying to explore the societal and psychological landscape of blindness, begging and charity - hence the below questions. Please skip over to the next message if this is a waste of your time. Should we actually discourage blind beggers from carrying out their practise, or just ignore them, or support them? What influence can the begging blind people have on other blind people who do not beg? Why would any blind person want to beg in the first place? Can the reason be different from that of a sighted begger? Do all or most blind beggers beg with the intention of getting rich or is it because of other reasons such as survival, desertion etc If we want to stop the begging in the blind community, what is the ideal way forward - Rehabilitation? Awareness? Legal reinforcement? Do the blind beggers have better prospects? Are they being threatened? Misused? Are there any organisations covertly or undoly highlighting the helplessness factors of the blind in raising funds? Do people become beggers out of frustration? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of ishita kapoor Sent: 19 November 2013 15:06 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore Good work avinash. Last year I got an opportunity to meet a blind person who was bagging at hanuman temple rajkot gujarat. I talked to him for 15 to 20 minutes. He was intelligent and 12th pass. He said that bagging is my business. And I am happy with it. I can earn 500 per day in this business without doing anything. I asked him to do something meaningful with his life. But he replied I don't want to do anything. I really found him happy with his life. I couldn't speak anything. I said him bye bye without giving anything. On 11/18/13, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All Nobody wants to begg, but hunger and burning stomach compell many to do so. We should respect these blind beggars, who are in absense of any
Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore
Hi Umesha, I suspect we need to offer a higher base salary to attract blind beggers away from begging. This is potentially a research topic. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore
Dear Avinash it is good on doing reserch on Blind person begging, in delhi I hope you have come across many blind persons with one sighted person coming door to door asking donation for blind schools have you enquired their blind schools where is it, there is nothing like that the sighted person will give a part of begged money daily and a huge amount left with sighted person will take with him this is also one type of begging by sighted persons by using blind person I request you to please look into such matters in delhi also On 11/20/13, mahendra gal...@chello.at wrote: Hi friends i don't support begging, however question is, are they begging because of blindness or even as sighted, they would be begging? of course it gives bad name about all of us in genral, but that is a problem not of there making. At 08:06 PM 11/19/2013, you wrote: hello, this is indeed ideal cause. but even my experience is very negative on this work. i know couple of of my own schoolmates who are begging in the local trains of mumbai. they are well educated even graduates. as i always in the search of my old friends and would like to find out about their life, i recently got in touch with few of them, who have passed their graduation, and due to lack of job opportunities around ten years back, they got in to this begging forcefully. while in conversation with them, i tried to offer few job opportunities to them in which they could earn 6 to 7 k initially which would grow over six months period to 15 to 20 k per month. but to my surprise, they simply rejected my offers and informed me that they can now easily earn rs500 per day in begging so why should they take any job which would decrease their present income? i tried to explain them about their tallents which will be fairly utilised and chances about promotions. but they are not willing to compromise with their present job. they now have the habbit of living lavish life having too many edictions like chewing tobaccos, ghutkas etc. which has become the part of their daily food. they say that they are happy doing this and would like to know technics to earn more out of begging. in their language, if i got the job, not necessary that we will get it and do not want to waste the time. once i tried to invite one of them to my place outside mumbai with the intention of changing his mind towards work during my stay, but i was not successful. rather i was surprised to know his demands to pay back to him his ticket charges, reimbursement of his daily food like mentioned above in the travel etc. along with his expected income of begging i.e. rs.500 per day for which he stayed with me. so hope that something good happends to their life in terms of rewarding their tallents by getting good jobs. thanks, On 11/19/13, Neerajsaxena neerajsaxena12...@gmail.com wrote: The solution is sheltered workshops, the idea was mooted but never implimented issue is who should run them ideally government must take full responsibility. Yes, begging should be discurraged by all. -Original message- From: Syed Imran Sent: 19/11/2013, 11:00 pm To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore I'm trying to explore the societal and psychological landscape of blindness, begging and charity - hence the below questions. Please skip over to the next message if this is a waste of your time. Should we actually discourage blind beggers from carrying out their practise, or just ignore them, or support them? What influence can the begging blind people have on other blind people who do not beg? Why would any blind person want to beg in the first place? Can the reason be different from that of a sighted begger? Do all or most blind beggers beg with the intention of getting rich or is it because of other reasons such as survival, desertion etc If we want to stop the begging in the blind community, what is the ideal way forward - Rehabilitation? Awareness? Legal reinforcement? Do the blind beggers have better prospects? Are they being threatened? Misused? Are there any organisations covertly or undoly highlighting the helplessness factors of the blind in raising funds? Do people become beggers out of frustration? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of ishita kapoor Sent: 19 November 2013 15:06 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore Good work avinash. Last year I got an opportunity to meet a blind person who was bagging at hanuman temple rajkot gujarat. I talked to him for 15 to 20 minutes. He was intelligent and 12th pass. He said that bagging is my business. And I am happy with it. I can earn 500 per day in this business without
Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore
Hi all, I did some back of the envelope calculations. If we take Rs. 500 per day as a begger's daily income, then said begger earns about 1.68 Lakhs per annum assuming he works all 7 days a week. I assumed that 2 Lakhs would be sufficient insentive for said begger to quit begging and move to a more remunerative option. This means that the starting monthly salary has to be Rs. 17000. Visions of salary growth are not tangible things as anyone who has engaged in salary negociations will know. However, from Mukesh's message, if they are not interested in 20K per month the question arises what is the revenue figure that would turn them around? Rs. 3 per month gives them a figure of 3.6 lakhs which would make an appreciable difference. This is the kind of salary management graduates used to get when I started. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore
what are the implications of your calculations? what suggestions you want to give? Umesha - Original Message - From: Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled.' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Wednesday, 20 November, 2013 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore Hi all, I did some back of the envelope calculations. If we take Rs. 500 per day as a begger's daily income, then said begger earns about 1.68 Lakhs per annum assuming he works all 7 days a week. I assumed that 2 Lakhs would be sufficient insentive for said begger to quit begging and move to a more remunerative option. This means that the starting monthly salary has to be Rs. 17000. Visions of salary growth are not tangible things as anyone who has engaged in salary negociations will know. However, from Mukesh's message, if they are not interested in 20K per month the question arises what is the revenue figure that would turn them around? Rs. 3 per month gives them a figure of 3.6 lakhs which would make an appreciable difference. This is the kind of salary management graduates used to get when I started. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore
Good work avinash. Last year I got an opportunity to meet a blind person who was bagging at hanuman temple rajkot gujarat. I talked to him for 15 to 20 minutes. He was intelligent and 12th pass. He said that bagging is my business. And I am happy with it. I can earn 500 per day in this business without doing anything. I asked him to do something meaningful with his life. But he replied I don’t want to do anything. I really found him happy with his life. I couldn’t speak anything. I said him bye bye without giving anything. On 11/18/13, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All Nobody wants to begg, but hunger and burning stomach compell many to do so. We should respect these blind beggars, who are in absense of any elementary support by family and the state are compelled to begg for alms. they are fighting for bare minimum.There are thousands who are forced to begg like them. Can we do anything for them? They are six blind men, 2 Aged around thirty, two mid thirties and other two above forty.. Two are holding dirty rounded clowths and others have stranded their palms in anticipation of money and food and singing in corus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pEmOXC3M8w Please if possible supply few data/surveys done on blind beggars in Indian cities I'm writing one piece on blind beggars for one national Indian Magazine. Please if you know any locality in Delhi where blind beggars live in groups then also inform me. --- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore
hello friends, if I may add something to this discussion... What we are experiencing in Indian societies is much paradoxical and quite strange A blind person who is begging is able to earn within a day more than what a hard-working blind person can get in a week. The society, which sympathizes with a begging person's blindness doesn't respect the honour and spirit of a blind selling small things or doing some meager labours. I would say the reason for blind persons resoughting to begging and sticking on to it is more with the societiey's attitude. This issue needs a larger analitical debate and more fruitful long-term works thank you. On 11/19/13, ishita kapoor ishitakapoor...@gmail.com wrote: Good work avinash. Last year I got an opportunity to meet a blind person who was bagging at hanuman temple rajkot gujarat. I talked to him for 15 to 20 minutes. He was intelligent and 12th pass. He said that bagging is my business. And I am happy with it. I can earn 500 per day in this business without doing anything. I asked him to do something meaningful with his life. But he replied I don’t want to do anything. I really found him happy with his life. I couldn’t speak anything. I said him bye bye without giving anything. On 11/18/13, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All Nobody wants to begg, but hunger and burning stomach compell many to do so. We should respect these blind beggars, who are in absense of any elementary support by family and the state are compelled to begg for alms. they are fighting for bare minimum.There are thousands who are forced to begg like them. Can we do anything for them? They are six blind men, 2 Aged around thirty, two mid thirties and other two above forty.. Two are holding dirty rounded clowths and others have stranded their palms in anticipation of money and food and singing in corus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pEmOXC3M8w Please if possible supply few data/surveys done on blind beggars in Indian cities I'm writing one piece on blind beggars for one national Indian Magazine. Please if you know any locality in Delhi where blind beggars live in groups then also inform me. --- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- “THE OPPOSITE OF LOVE IS NOT HATRED, BUT INDIFFERENCE” MURUGANANDAN.K Ph.D Scholar, Department of English, Pondicherry University, puducherry-14 mobile:+919787871008. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on
Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore
Well sed friend, thanks to our dhan culture and dharmic beliefs even in mumbai our fellows reffer begging to hocking, what about educated once? To be a successful begger you are not suppose to have bath for many days your clothes must smell fowl, if you can not arouse pity you may fail. How can you? -Original message- From: muruganandan.k Sent: 19/11/2013, 5:50 pm To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore hello friends, if I may add something to this discussion... What we are experiencing in Indian societies is much paradoxical and quite strange A blind person who is begging is able to earn within a day more than what a hard-working blind person can get in a week. The society, which sympathizes with a begging person's blindness doesn't respect the honour and spirit of a blind selling small things or doing some meager labours. I would say the reason for blind persons resoughting to begging and sticking on to it is more with the societiey's attitude. This issue needs a larger analitical debate and more fruitful long-term works thank you. On 11/19/13, ishita kapoor ishitakapoor...@gmail.com wrote: Good work avinash. Last year I got an opportunity to meet a blind person who was bagging at hanuman temple rajkot gujarat. I talked to him for 15 to 20 minutes. He was intelligent and 12th pass. He said that bagging is my business. And I am happy with it. I can earn 500 per day in this business without doing anything. I asked him to do something meaningful with his life. But he replied I don’t want to do anything. I really found him happy with his life. I couldn’t speak anything. I said him bye bye without giving anything. On 11/18/13, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All Nobody wants to begg, but hunger and burning stomach compell many to do so. We should respect these blind beggars, who are in absense of any elementary support by family and the state are compelled to begg for alms. they are fighting for bare minimum.There are thousands who are forced to begg like them. Can we do anything for them? They are six blind men, 2 Aged around thirty, two mid thirties and other two above forty.. Two are holding dirty rounded clowths and others have stranded their palms in anticipation of money and food and singing in corus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pEmOXC3M8w Please if possible supply few data/surveys done on blind beggars in Indian cities I'm writing one piece on blind beggars for one national Indian Magazine. Please if you know any locality in Delhi where blind beggars live in groups then also inform me. --- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- “THE OPPOSITE OF LOVE IS NOT HATRED, BUT INDIFFERENCE” MURUGANANDAN.K Ph.D Scholar, Department of English, Pondicherry University, puducherry-14 mobile:+919787871008. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia
Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore
I'm trying to explore the societal and psychological landscape of blindness, begging and charity - hence the below questions. Please skip over to the next message if this is a waste of your time. Should we actually discourage blind beggers from carrying out their practise, or just ignore them, or support them? What influence can the begging blind people have on other blind people who do not beg? Why would any blind person want to beg in the first place? Can the reason be different from that of a sighted begger? Do all or most blind beggers beg with the intention of getting rich or is it because of other reasons such as survival, desertion etc If we want to stop the begging in the blind community, what is the ideal way forward - Rehabilitation? Awareness? Legal reinforcement? Do the blind beggers have better prospects? Are they being threatened? Misused? Are there any organisations covertly or undoly highlighting the helplessness factors of the blind in raising funds? Do people become beggers out of frustration? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of ishita kapoor Sent: 19 November 2013 15:06 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore Good work avinash. Last year I got an opportunity to meet a blind person who was bagging at hanuman temple rajkot gujarat. I talked to him for 15 to 20 minutes. He was intelligent and 12th pass. He said that bagging is my business. And I am happy with it. I can earn 500 per day in this business without doing anything. I asked him to do something meaningful with his life. But he replied I don't want to do anything. I really found him happy with his life. I couldn't speak anything. I said him bye bye without giving anything. On 11/18/13, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All Nobody wants to begg, but hunger and burning stomach compell many to do so. We should respect these blind beggars, who are in absense of any elementary support by family and the state are compelled to begg for alms. they are fighting for bare minimum.There are thousands who are forced to begg like them. Can we do anything for them? They are six blind men, 2 Aged around thirty, two mid thirties and other two above forty.. Two are holding dirty rounded clowths and others have stranded their palms in anticipation of money and food and singing in corus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pEmOXC3M8w Please if possible supply few data/surveys done on blind beggars in Indian cities I'm writing one piece on blind beggars for one national Indian Magazine. Please if you know any locality in Delhi where blind beggars live in groups then also inform me. --- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_acc essindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org .in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe
Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore
The solution is sheltered workshops, the idea was mooted but never implimented issue is who should run them ideally government must take full responsibility. Yes, begging should be discurraged by all. -Original message- From: Syed Imran Sent: 19/11/2013, 11:00 pm To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore I'm trying to explore the societal and psychological landscape of blindness, begging and charity - hence the below questions. Please skip over to the next message if this is a waste of your time. Should we actually discourage blind beggers from carrying out their practise, or just ignore them, or support them? What influence can the begging blind people have on other blind people who do not beg? Why would any blind person want to beg in the first place? Can the reason be different from that of a sighted begger? Do all or most blind beggers beg with the intention of getting rich or is it because of other reasons such as survival, desertion etc If we want to stop the begging in the blind community, what is the ideal way forward - Rehabilitation? Awareness? Legal reinforcement? Do the blind beggers have better prospects? Are they being threatened? Misused? Are there any organisations covertly or undoly highlighting the helplessness factors of the blind in raising funds? Do people become beggers out of frustration? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of ishita kapoor Sent: 19 November 2013 15:06 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore Good work avinash. Last year I got an opportunity to meet a blind person who was bagging at hanuman temple rajkot gujarat. I talked to him for 15 to 20 minutes. He was intelligent and 12th pass. He said that bagging is my business. And I am happy with it. I can earn 500 per day in this business without doing anything. I asked him to do something meaningful with his life. But he replied I don't want to do anything. I really found him happy with his life. I couldn't speak anything. I said him bye bye without giving anything. On 11/18/13, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All Nobody wants to begg, but hunger and burning stomach compell many to do so. We should respect these blind beggars, who are in absense of any elementary support by family and the state are compelled to begg for alms. they are fighting for bare minimum.There are thousands who are forced to begg like them. Can we do anything for them? They are six blind men, 2 Aged around thirty, two mid thirties and other two above forty.. Two are holding dirty rounded clowths and others have stranded their palms in anticipation of money and food and singing in corus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pEmOXC3M8w Please if possible supply few data/surveys done on blind beggars in Indian cities I'm writing one piece on blind beggars for one national Indian Magazine. Please if you know any locality in Delhi where blind beggars live in groups then also inform me. --- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_acc essindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org .in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission
Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore
hello, this is indeed ideal cause. but even my experience is very negative on this work. i know couple of of my own schoolmates who are begging in the local trains of mumbai. they are well educated even graduates. as i always in the search of my old friends and would like to find out about their life, i recently got in touch with few of them, who have passed their graduation, and due to lack of job opportunities around ten years back, they got in to this begging forcefully. while in conversation with them, i tried to offer few job opportunities to them in which they could earn 6 to 7 k initially which would grow over six months period to 15 to 20 k per month. but to my surprise, they simply rejected my offers and informed me that they can now easily earn rs500 per day in begging so why should they take any job which would decrease their present income? i tried to explain them about their tallents which will be fairly utilised and chances about promotions. but they are not willing to compromise with their present job. they now have the habbit of living lavish life having too many edictions like chewing tobaccos, ghutkas etc. which has become the part of their daily food. they say that they are happy doing this and would like to know technics to earn more out of begging. in their language, if i got the job, not necessary that we will get it and do not want to waste the time. once i tried to invite one of them to my place outside mumbai with the intention of changing his mind towards work during my stay, but i was not successful. rather i was surprised to know his demands to pay back to him his ticket charges, reimbursement of his daily food like mentioned above in the travel etc. along with his expected income of begging i.e. rs.500 per day for which he stayed with me. so hope that something good happends to their life in terms of rewarding their tallents by getting good jobs. thanks, On 11/19/13, Neerajsaxena neerajsaxena12...@gmail.com wrote: The solution is sheltered workshops, the idea was mooted but never implimented issue is who should run them ideally government must take full responsibility. Yes, begging should be discurraged by all. -Original message- From: Syed Imran Sent: 19/11/2013, 11:00 pm To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore I'm trying to explore the societal and psychological landscape of blindness, begging and charity - hence the below questions. Please skip over to the next message if this is a waste of your time. Should we actually discourage blind beggers from carrying out their practise, or just ignore them, or support them? What influence can the begging blind people have on other blind people who do not beg? Why would any blind person want to beg in the first place? Can the reason be different from that of a sighted begger? Do all or most blind beggers beg with the intention of getting rich or is it because of other reasons such as survival, desertion etc If we want to stop the begging in the blind community, what is the ideal way forward - Rehabilitation? Awareness? Legal reinforcement? Do the blind beggers have better prospects? Are they being threatened? Misused? Are there any organisations covertly or undoly highlighting the helplessness factors of the blind in raising funds? Do people become beggers out of frustration? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of ishita kapoor Sent: 19 November 2013 15:06 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore Good work avinash. Last year I got an opportunity to meet a blind person who was bagging at hanuman temple rajkot gujarat. I talked to him for 15 to 20 minutes. He was intelligent and 12th pass. He said that bagging is my business. And I am happy with it. I can earn 500 per day in this business without doing anything. I asked him to do something meaningful with his life. But he replied I don't want to do anything. I really found him happy with his life. I couldn't speak anything. I said him bye bye without giving anything. On 11/18/13, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All Nobody wants to begg, but hunger and burning stomach compell many to do so. We should respect these blind beggars, who are in absense of any elementary support by family and the state are compelled to begg for alms. they are fighting for bare minimum.There are thousands who are forced to begg like them. Can we do anything for them? They are six blind men, 2 Aged around thirty, two mid thirties and other two above forty.. Two are holding dirty rounded clowths and others have stranded their palms in anticipation of money and food and singing in corus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pEmOXC3M8w Please if possible
Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore
Hi friends i don't support begging, however question is, are they begging because of blindness or even as sighted, they would be begging? of course it gives bad name about all of us in genral, but that is a problem not of there making. At 08:06 PM 11/19/2013, you wrote: hello, this is indeed ideal cause. but even my experience is very negative on this work. i know couple of of my own schoolmates who are begging in the local trains of mumbai. they are well educated even graduates. as i always in the search of my old friends and would like to find out about their life, i recently got in touch with few of them, who have passed their graduation, and due to lack of job opportunities around ten years back, they got in to this begging forcefully. while in conversation with them, i tried to offer few job opportunities to them in which they could earn 6 to 7 k initially which would grow over six months period to 15 to 20 k per month. but to my surprise, they simply rejected my offers and informed me that they can now easily earn rs500 per day in begging so why should they take any job which would decrease their present income? i tried to explain them about their tallents which will be fairly utilised and chances about promotions. but they are not willing to compromise with their present job. they now have the habbit of living lavish life having too many edictions like chewing tobaccos, ghutkas etc. which has become the part of their daily food. they say that they are happy doing this and would like to know technics to earn more out of begging. in their language, if i got the job, not necessary that we will get it and do not want to waste the time. once i tried to invite one of them to my place outside mumbai with the intention of changing his mind towards work during my stay, but i was not successful. rather i was surprised to know his demands to pay back to him his ticket charges, reimbursement of his daily food like mentioned above in the travel etc. along with his expected income of begging i.e. rs.500 per day for which he stayed with me. so hope that something good happends to their life in terms of rewarding their tallents by getting good jobs. thanks, On 11/19/13, Neerajsaxena neerajsaxena12...@gmail.com wrote: The solution is sheltered workshops, the idea was mooted but never implimented issue is who should run them ideally government must take full responsibility. Yes, begging should be discurraged by all. -Original message- From: Syed Imran Sent: 19/11/2013, 11:00 pm To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.' Subject: Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore I'm trying to explore the societal and psychological landscape of blindness, begging and charity - hence the below questions. Please skip over to the next message if this is a waste of your time. Should we actually discourage blind beggers from carrying out their practise, or just ignore them, or support them? What influence can the begging blind people have on other blind people who do not beg? Why would any blind person want to beg in the first place? Can the reason be different from that of a sighted begger? Do all or most blind beggers beg with the intention of getting rich or is it because of other reasons such as survival, desertion etc If we want to stop the begging in the blind community, what is the ideal way forward - Rehabilitation? Awareness? Legal reinforcement? Do the blind beggers have better prospects? Are they being threatened? Misused? Are there any organisations covertly or undoly highlighting the helplessness factors of the blind in raising funds? Do people become beggers out of frustration? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of ishita kapoor Sent: 19 November 2013 15:06 To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore Good work avinash. Last year I got an opportunity to meet a blind person who was bagging at hanuman temple rajkot gujarat. I talked to him for 15 to 20 minutes. He was intelligent and 12th pass. He said that bagging is my business. And I am happy with it. I can earn 500 per day in this business without doing anything. I asked him to do something meaningful with his life. But he replied I don't want to do anything. I really found him happy with his life. I couldn't speak anything. I said him bye bye without giving anything. On 11/18/13, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All Nobody wants to begg, but hunger and burning stomach compell many to do so. We should respect these blind beggars, who are in absense of any elementary support by family and the state are compelled to begg for alms. they are fighting for bare minimum.There are thousands who are forced to begg like them. Can we do anything for them
[AI] Blind Beggars in Banglore
Dear All Nobody wants to begg, but hunger and burning stomach compell many to do so. We should respect these blind beggars, who are in absense of any elementary support by family and the state are compelled to begg for alms. they are fighting for bare minimum.There are thousands who are forced to begg like them. Can we do anything for them? They are six blind men, 2 Aged around thirty, two mid thirties and other two above forty.. Two are holding dirty rounded clowths and others have stranded their palms in anticipation of money and food and singing in corus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pEmOXC3M8w Please if possible supply few data/surveys done on blind beggars in Indian cities I'm writing one piece on blind beggars for one national Indian Magazine. Please if you know any locality in Delhi where blind beggars live in groups then also inform me. --- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
