Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Hi, I have also observed igt does not speak deleted words when you delete words in MS Word using Ctrl+del Rohit -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Parakh Rajesh Sent: 08 September 2013 13:24 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE hai, NVDA does not speak enter and escape. what can be done? regards, rajesh parakh - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. ' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Insert b command reads the entire window. The command works the same way as in NVDA too. You could also use review keys to read the text in window line by line. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Renuka Warriar Edakkunni Sent: 07 September 2013 11:47 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hello, I have one doubt. In JAWS, the download or copying status could be checked with the command insert+b, but I couldn't do it in NVDA. Is there any mechanism to do it in NVDA. If no, my suggestion is to get it done. Renuka. On 9/7/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Scripting is cool framework to enhance capabilities of jaws. How ever, it is new language for many and to get jaws configured for speicif requirements, we could hardly find people who could do jaws scripting. With NVDA development team development, we are trying to create a pool of knowledge resource that could help us deal with such situations. I hope once this project becomes a movement, more python developers would be able to fix and address special configuration issues at much faster pace. I am amazed at the number of projects going on in India itself who try to develop tools for blind for computers. If these teams become contributors to NVDa project, we may end up having an army to deal with. This may happen if as users we ask for NVDA when we come to providing accessibility to computers. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker Sent: 06 September 2013 20:05 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Over the last year or so, I have been trying to use more and more of NVDA though Jaws remains my primary screen reader. As so many people have already pointed out, the Jaws cursor like functionality is a difficult part. As Harish Ji has already pointed out, the steps are not as complicated as they might sound , but it is difficult to understand at first, particularly for a Jaws user. Another issue is with Jaws scripts, life is made so much easier with Jaws with applications like Skype and GoogleTalk. Jaws can kind of work with these applications, particularly the former without scripts but not that well. I find the experience is same with NVDA, if they could integrate the functionalities provided by Jaws Scripts to NVDA as well, things could become a lot better. Another thing might be specific to my style of use. I like the Jaws function of Jaws key + Enter moving the web page by a few frames, particularly useful when reading newspapers and such stuff. Has to keep arrowing down in NVDA and that is something I really don't like. This is a wonderful initiative and I hope NVDA continues to evolve and go from strength to strength. On 9/6/13, Ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial. - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation
Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Amazing development. Guess there are companies in Small medium who are willing to employ VI but due to cost aspect; they think twice. But this will certainly remove barrier as NVDA is no cost. Great going Dipendra and heartiest congratulations for taking up this initiative. Thanks and kind regards Asif -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:25 PM To: accessindia Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it to: sumandog...@gmail.com Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the e-mail provided above. These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the new features and provide feedback should get into this mode of using NVDA. Last but not the least, We are getting very close of provide licenses of Eloquence to work with NVDA along with the license of Sangita and Vocaliser voices. Saksham will be providing these licenses in a few weeks to come after testing stability of whole new licensing system. I will also be writing soon about what is being done to add all Indian languages in E-speak TTS. So, keep watch in this area as lot of exciting developments are happening here. Wishing everyone all the best and a happy teacher's day. Dipendra Manocha Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other
Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
it bothers me, too.
- Original Message -
From: Kiran Kaja kirankaj...@gmail.com
To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
phonesand Tabs. ' accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Glad to know that this excellent work is being done in India.
I have a rather useful feature request.
When reading through the message list in Outlook using the up and down
arrow
keys, NVDA announces all the column headers along with the message
details,
for example, message read, from Manish Agrawal, Subject {AI} Exciting
development in screen reading software, received 18:30, size 22 kb
Column headers like from, subject, received, etc are unnecessary
verbiage especially for someone who spends 3-4 hours a day working with
Outlook.
It would be good to have a feature where these column header announcements
can be turned off for Outlook. It would just be enough for NVDA to
announce
Manish Agrawal, {AI} Exciting developments in screen reading software,
18:30 22kb This would make reading through the Outlook message list
much faster and less repetitive.
If there is already a way to do this in NVDA, I would be happy to be told
how.
Just my two cents worth.
Regards,
Kiran
-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf
Of Manish Agrawal
Sent: 06 September 2013 18:29
To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
phones and Tabs. '
Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Hello,
snipI have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need
a
better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such
tutorial./snip It is interesting to hear all the different user
perspectives. I'll put across mine - and honestly I am not trying to
inflame this healthy discussion.
One thing that has not come up in this discussion and is not very obvious
to
us as users is that this is open source software. It not only means it
is
free, it also means that we as users can contribute to it as much as we
can.
For example, a tutorial is not something that a software developer only
needs to create. Every single person on this list can contribute to
creating
learning resources about NVDA - you try things, read up on the net, ask a
friend etc. and find out a few things about NVDA that you didn't know till
yesterday, feel free to go out and distribute that information to others.
Create your own tutorials, blog posts, podcasts etc. Those will not be
perfect but they will be better than not having anything for the next
person
and you would have contributed towards making NVDA better.
So, we can just ask for features and bug fixes and tutorials and wish
someone will do it.
Or we can also contribute in whatever little ways we can - e.g. create
tutorials, volunteer to train others, become beta testers and report
problems etc.
Philosophy aside, some tips for users struggling with new/different
concepts
in NVDA:
1. Join the NVDA support mailing list. It is a list similar to access
India
and full of very passionate and experienced NVDA users. You can find a lot
of help on the simple and not so simple problems you run into while
getting
up to speed with NVDA.
2. NVDA is not jaws. It is a different screen reader that is trying a
different set of innovations and mechanisms to bring accessibility to
software. Spend more time learning NVDA.
3. NVDA is not jaws (did I just say that??). Jaws is much older, has a
much
larger team of developers, has much more funding etc. but jaws is also
much
more expensive. NVDA is a simpler product and although it is very
powerful,
it does not have all the features of jaws. However, at this point it is so
powerful that a user like me who deals with a lot of cutting edge newly
developed software applications on a daily basis is able to run only with
NVDA almost the whole day.
4. Developing a screen reader is very hard. So, if you reported a bug,
asked
for a feature etc. and no one seems to hear you for a while, do not
despair.
Every small fix in NVDA takes a lot of time and effort. The developers are
probably still fixing the last request.
Regards,
Manish
-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
Behalf
Of Ashik
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 6:38 PM
To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of
mobilephones
and Tabs.
Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I
listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have
nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better
tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial.
- Original Message -
From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in
To: Dedicated
Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Report the issue to Mrs. Suman Sharma and she would test and log the issue with NVDA bug tracker and also put it in the assessment of priority of bugs for India team. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Srinivasu Chakravarthula Sent: 08 September 2013 18:16 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Cc: Access India Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Here is the link to report issues: http://community.nvda-project.org/wiki/Issues Manish, is there a mechanism to assign requests directly to India team? Haven't explored yet myself... Am very happy to see this awesome development... Regards, Srinivasu http://srinivasu.org Twitter: @csrinivasu about.me/srinivasuc Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Mukesh Sharma mrmukeshsha...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have a bug tracker to see all reported issues? And report new? On 6 Sep 2013 12:49, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Would be very interested to engage with this TTS developer to facilitate that this new TTS is compatible and available with regular NVDA installer. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ashik Sent: 06 September 2013 06:37 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Sir, I am glad to inform you all that a Nepali software developer has developed a Gujarati TTS recently. However it is still to be published. We are in the processof making it more user-friendly. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem
Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
We are using NVDA bug tracker itself. We have taken out bugs related to MS office as our first target. Rest will depend on what users are saying. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mukesh Sharma Sent: 08 September 2013 15:07 To: Access India Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Do we have a bug tracker to see all reported issues? And report new? On 6 Sep 2013 12:49, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Would be very interested to engage with this TTS developer to facilitate that this new TTS is compatible and available with regular NVDA installer. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ashik Sent: 06 September 2013 06:37 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Sir, I am glad to inform you all that a Nepali software developer has developed a Gujarati TTS recently. However it is still to be published. We are in the processof making it more user-friendly. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it to: sumandog...@gmail.com Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the e-mail provided above. These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured for stability and thus only those who would
Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
On 9/8/2013 11:03 PM, habeeb. c wrote: Hello friends, as we are conducting serious discussion on developing NVDa, i'm going through an unsolvable dilemma. Developing a screenreader is a really commendable thing, but what if it is not afordable and not attainable to most people in a country. I know that the screenreader here is free of coast, but how about the operating system. How many of us can aford to pay for windows to install the particular screenreader. We have already got Orca in linux, the facilities in Orca is available in regional languages also. It has many problems, but they can be easily solved, if there is a collective initiative from the part of government, NGOs and other related circles. I doubt why all such initiatives go to the corporate circle, and why the open source is completely neglected. I don't know how many of my friends will be comfortable with this idea, but if we don't have a collective bargaining for such developments which are for all alike, the use of technology will be limited to a miniscule minority, as it is now. Apple I phones are the most advanced technology available today, Howmany of us can purchase it? regards On 9/8/13, Kartik Sawhney sawhney.kar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I mean the symbols dialog box in MS word. Regards, On 9/8/13, Ejaz Shah e...@gmx.com wrote: You can enable the speaking of command keys with NVDA+4. On 08/09/2013 12:54 PM, Parakh Rajesh wrote: hai, NVDA does not speak enter and escape. what can be done? regards, rajesh parakh - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. ' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Insert b command reads the entire window. The command works the same way as in NVDA too. You could also use review keys to read the text in window line by line. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Renuka Warriar Edakkunni Sent: 07 September 2013 11:47 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hello, I have one doubt. In JAWS, the download or copying status could be checked with the command insert+b, but I couldn't do it in NVDA. Is there any mechanism to do it in NVDA. If no, my suggestion is to get it done. Renuka. On 9/7/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Scripting is cool framework to enhance capabilities of jaws. How ever, it is new language for many and to get jaws configured for speicif requirements, we could hardly find people who could do jaws scripting. With NVDA development team development, we are trying to create a pool of knowledge resource that could help us deal with such situations. I hope once this project becomes a movement, more python developers would be able to fix and address special configuration issues at much faster pace. I am amazed at the number of projects going on in India itself who try to develop tools for blind for computers. If these teams become contributors to NVDa project, we may end up having an army to deal with. This may happen if as users we ask for NVDA when we come to providing accessibility to computers. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker Sent: 06 September 2013 20:05 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Over the last year or so, I have been trying to use more and more of NVDA though Jaws remains my primary screen reader. As so many people have already pointed out, the Jaws cursor like functionality is a difficult part. As Harish Ji has already pointed out, the steps are not as complicated as they might sound , but it is difficult to understand at first, particularly for a Jaws user. Another issue is with Jaws scripts, life is made so much easier with Jaws with applications like Skype and GoogleTalk. Jaws can kind of work with these applications, particularly the former without scripts but not that well. I find the experience is same with NVDA, if they could integrate the functionalities provided by Jaws Scripts to NVDA as well, things could become a lot better. Another thing might be specific to my style of use. I like the Jaws function of Jaws key + Enter moving the web page by a few frames, particularly useful when reading newspapers and such stuff. Has to keep arrowing down in NVDA and that is something I really don't like. This is a wonderful initiative and I hope NVDA continues to evolve and go from strength to strength. On 9/6/13, Ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: I was also thinking of the same. A nice
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I feel Linux and windows will co-exist. At least for few years to come or may be mor. Thus it would be better to have open source screen reading software for both as most of the times we are not the deciding factor on what operatig system our employer or educational institution would be deploying. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of habeeb. c Sent: 08 September 2013 23:04 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hello friends, as we are conducting serious discussion on developing NVDa, i'm going through an unsolvable dilemma. Developing a screenreader is a really commendable thing, but what if it is not afordable and not attainable to most people in a country. I know that the screenreader here is free of coast, but how about the operating system. How many of us can aford to pay for windows to install the particular screenreader. We have already got Orca in linux, the facilities in Orca is available in regional languages also. It has many problems, but they can be easily solved, if there is a collective initiative from the part of government, NGOs and other related circles. I doubt why all such initiatives go to the corporate circle, and why the open source is completely neglected. I don't know how many of my friends will be comfortable with this idea, but if we don't have a collective bargaining for such developments which are for all alike, the use of technology will be limited to a miniscule minority, as it is now. Apple I phones are the most advanced technology available today, Howmany of us can purchase it? regards On 9/8/13, Kartik Sawhney sawhney.kar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I mean the symbols dialog box in MS word. Regards, On 9/8/13, Ejaz Shah e...@gmx.com wrote: You can enable the speaking of command keys with NVDA+4. On 08/09/2013 12:54 PM, Parakh Rajesh wrote: hai, NVDA does not speak enter and escape. what can be done? regards, rajesh parakh - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. ' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Insert b command reads the entire window. The command works the same way as in NVDA too. You could also use review keys to read the text in window line by line. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Renuka Warriar Edakkunni Sent: 07 September 2013 11:47 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hello, I have one doubt. In JAWS, the download or copying status could be checked with the command insert+b, but I couldn't do it in NVDA. Is there any mechanism to do it in NVDA. If no, my suggestion is to get it done. Renuka. On 9/7/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Scripting is cool framework to enhance capabilities of jaws. How ever, it is new language for many and to get jaws configured for speicif requirements, we could hardly find people who could do jaws scripting. With NVDA development team development, we are trying to create a pool of knowledge resource that could help us deal with such situations. I hope once this project becomes a movement, more python developers would be able to fix and address special configuration issues at much faster pace. I am amazed at the number of projects going on in India itself who try to develop tools for blind for computers. If these teams become contributors to NVDa project, we may end up having an army to deal with. This may happen if as users we ask for NVDA when we come to providing accessibility to computers. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker Sent: 06 September 2013 20:05 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Over the last year or so, I have been trying to use more and more of NVDA though Jaws remains my primary screen reader. As so many people have already pointed out, the Jaws cursor like functionality is a difficult part. As Harish Ji has already pointed out, the steps are not as complicated as they might sound , but it is difficult to understand at first, particularly for a Jaws user. Another issue is with Jaws scripts, life is made so much easier with Jaws with applications like Skype and GoogleTalk. Jaws can kind of work with these applications
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It is really intresting and exciting news! Thanks. On 9/8/13, Kartik Sawhney sawhney.kar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, One issue that I face while using NVDA is that the symbols dialog box is inaccessible. Since this is something that I use all the time, it becomes a great challenge for me. If the label associated with the symbol could be read out, it would be great. Best, On 9/7/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Insert b command reads the entire window. The command works the same way as in NVDA too. You could also use review keys to read the text in window line by line. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Renuka Warriar Edakkunni Sent: 07 September 2013 11:47 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hello, I have one doubt. In JAWS, the download or copying status could be checked with the command insert+b, but I couldn't do it in NVDA. Is there any mechanism to do it in NVDA. If no, my suggestion is to get it done. Renuka. On 9/7/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Scripting is cool framework to enhance capabilities of jaws. How ever, it is new language for many and to get jaws configured for speicif requirements, we could hardly find people who could do jaws scripting. With NVDA development team development, we are trying to create a pool of knowledge resource that could help us deal with such situations. I hope once this project becomes a movement, more python developers would be able to fix and address special configuration issues at much faster pace. I am amazed at the number of projects going on in India itself who try to develop tools for blind for computers. If these teams become contributors to NVDa project, we may end up having an army to deal with. This may happen if as users we ask for NVDA when we come to providing accessibility to computers. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker Sent: 06 September 2013 20:05 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Over the last year or so, I have been trying to use more and more of NVDA though Jaws remains my primary screen reader. As so many people have already pointed out, the Jaws cursor like functionality is a difficult part. As Harish Ji has already pointed out, the steps are not as complicated as they might sound , but it is difficult to understand at first, particularly for a Jaws user. Another issue is with Jaws scripts, life is made so much easier with Jaws with applications like Skype and GoogleTalk. Jaws can kind of work with these applications, particularly the former without scripts but not that well. I find the experience is same with NVDA, if they could integrate the functionalities provided by Jaws Scripts to NVDA as well, things could become a lot better. Another thing might be specific to my style of use. I like the Jaws function of Jaws key + Enter moving the web page by a few frames, particularly useful when reading newspapers and such stuff. Has to keep arrowing down in NVDA and that is something I really don't like. This is a wonderful initiative and I hope NVDA continues to evolve and go from strength to strength. On 9/6/13, Ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial. - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen reader. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47 To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. ' Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT
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hai, NVDA does not speak enter and escape. what can be done? regards, rajesh parakh - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. ' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Insert b command reads the entire window. The command works the same way as in NVDA too. You could also use review keys to read the text in window line by line. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Renuka Warriar Edakkunni Sent: 07 September 2013 11:47 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hello, I have one doubt. In JAWS, the download or copying status could be checked with the command insert+b, but I couldn't do it in NVDA. Is there any mechanism to do it in NVDA. If no, my suggestion is to get it done. Renuka. On 9/7/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Scripting is cool framework to enhance capabilities of jaws. How ever, it is new language for many and to get jaws configured for speicif requirements, we could hardly find people who could do jaws scripting. With NVDA development team development, we are trying to create a pool of knowledge resource that could help us deal with such situations. I hope once this project becomes a movement, more python developers would be able to fix and address special configuration issues at much faster pace. I am amazed at the number of projects going on in India itself who try to develop tools for blind for computers. If these teams become contributors to NVDa project, we may end up having an army to deal with. This may happen if as users we ask for NVDA when we come to providing accessibility to computers. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker Sent: 06 September 2013 20:05 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Over the last year or so, I have been trying to use more and more of NVDA though Jaws remains my primary screen reader. As so many people have already pointed out, the Jaws cursor like functionality is a difficult part. As Harish Ji has already pointed out, the steps are not as complicated as they might sound , but it is difficult to understand at first, particularly for a Jaws user. Another issue is with Jaws scripts, life is made so much easier with Jaws with applications like Skype and GoogleTalk. Jaws can kind of work with these applications, particularly the former without scripts but not that well. I find the experience is same with NVDA, if they could integrate the functionalities provided by Jaws Scripts to NVDA as well, things could become a lot better. Another thing might be specific to my style of use. I like the Jaws function of Jaws key + Enter moving the web page by a few frames, particularly useful when reading newspapers and such stuff. Has to keep arrowing down in NVDA and that is something I really don't like. This is a wonderful initiative and I hope NVDA continues to evolve and go from strength to strength. On 9/6/13, Ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial. - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen reader. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47 To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. ' Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Review cursor is already always active. You do not need to activate it as you do with jaws. NVDA
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Symbols dialog in which application? -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kartik Sawhney Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 2:49 AM To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi, One issue that I face while using NVDA is that the symbols dialog box is inaccessible. Since this is something that I use all the time, it becomes a great challenge for me. If the label associated with the symbol could be read out, it would be great. Best, On 9/7/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Insert b command reads the entire window. The command works the same way as in NVDA too. You could also use review keys to read the text in window line by line. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Renuka Warriar Edakkunni Sent: 07 September 2013 11:47 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hello, I have one doubt. In JAWS, the download or copying status could be checked with the command insert+b, but I couldn't do it in NVDA. Is there any mechanism to do it in NVDA. If no, my suggestion is to get it done. Renuka. On 9/7/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Scripting is cool framework to enhance capabilities of jaws. How ever, it is new language for many and to get jaws configured for speicif requirements, we could hardly find people who could do jaws scripting. With NVDA development team development, we are trying to create a pool of knowledge resource that could help us deal with such situations. I hope once this project becomes a movement, more python developers would be able to fix and address special configuration issues at much faster pace. I am amazed at the number of projects going on in India itself who try to develop tools for blind for computers. If these teams become contributors to NVDa project, we may end up having an army to deal with. This may happen if as users we ask for NVDA when we come to providing accessibility to computers. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker Sent: 06 September 2013 20:05 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Over the last year or so, I have been trying to use more and more of NVDA though Jaws remains my primary screen reader. As so many people have already pointed out, the Jaws cursor like functionality is a difficult part. As Harish Ji has already pointed out, the steps are not as complicated as they might sound , but it is difficult to understand at first, particularly for a Jaws user. Another issue is with Jaws scripts, life is made so much easier with Jaws with applications like Skype and GoogleTalk. Jaws can kind of work with these applications, particularly the former without scripts but not that well. I find the experience is same with NVDA, if they could integrate the functionalities provided by Jaws Scripts to NVDA as well, things could become a lot better. Another thing might be specific to my style of use. I like the Jaws function of Jaws key + Enter moving the web page by a few frames, particularly useful when reading newspapers and such stuff. Has to keep arrowing down in NVDA and that is something I really don't like. This is a wonderful initiative and I hope NVDA continues to evolve and go from strength to strength. On 9/6/13, Ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial. - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen reader. Harish Kotian -Original
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Do we have a bug tracker to see all reported issues? And report new? On 6 Sep 2013 12:49, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Would be very interested to engage with this TTS developer to facilitate that this new TTS is compatible and available with regular NVDA installer. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ashik Sent: 06 September 2013 06:37 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Sir, I am glad to inform you all that a Nepali software developer has developed a Gujarati TTS recently. However it is still to be published. We are in the processof making it more user-friendly. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it to: sumandog...@gmail.com Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the e-mail provided above. These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the new features and provide feedback should get into this mode of using NVDA. Last but not the least, We are getting very close of provide licenses of Eloquence to work with NVDA along with the license of Sangita and Vocaliser voices. Saksham will be providing these licenses in a few weeks to come after testing stability of whole new licensing system. I will also be writing soon about what is being done to add
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Here is the link to report issues: http://community.nvda-project.org/wiki/Issues Manish, is there a mechanism to assign requests directly to India team? Haven't explored yet myself... Am very happy to see this awesome development... Regards, Srinivasu http://srinivasu.org Twitter: @csrinivasu about.me/srinivasuc Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Mukesh Sharma mrmukeshsha...@gmail.com wrote: Do we have a bug tracker to see all reported issues? And report new? On 6 Sep 2013 12:49, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Would be very interested to engage with this TTS developer to facilitate that this new TTS is compatible and available with regular NVDA installer. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ashik Sent: 06 September 2013 06:37 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Sir, I am glad to inform you all that a Nepali software developer has developed a Gujarati TTS recently. However it is still to be published. We are in the processof making it more user-friendly. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it to: sumandog...@gmail.com Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the e-mail provided above. These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the new features and provide feedback should get
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You can enable the speaking of command keys with NVDA+4. On 08/09/2013 12:54 PM, Parakh Rajesh wrote: hai, NVDA does not speak enter and escape. what can be done? regards, rajesh parakh - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. ' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Insert b command reads the entire window. The command works the same way as in NVDA too. You could also use review keys to read the text in window line by line. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Renuka Warriar Edakkunni Sent: 07 September 2013 11:47 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hello, I have one doubt. In JAWS, the download or copying status could be checked with the command insert+b, but I couldn't do it in NVDA. Is there any mechanism to do it in NVDA. If no, my suggestion is to get it done. Renuka. On 9/7/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Scripting is cool framework to enhance capabilities of jaws. How ever, it is new language for many and to get jaws configured for speicif requirements, we could hardly find people who could do jaws scripting. With NVDA development team development, we are trying to create a pool of knowledge resource that could help us deal with such situations. I hope once this project becomes a movement, more python developers would be able to fix and address special configuration issues at much faster pace. I am amazed at the number of projects going on in India itself who try to develop tools for blind for computers. If these teams become contributors to NVDa project, we may end up having an army to deal with. This may happen if as users we ask for NVDA when we come to providing accessibility to computers. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker Sent: 06 September 2013 20:05 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Over the last year or so, I have been trying to use more and more of NVDA though Jaws remains my primary screen reader. As so many people have already pointed out, the Jaws cursor like functionality is a difficult part. As Harish Ji has already pointed out, the steps are not as complicated as they might sound , but it is difficult to understand at first, particularly for a Jaws user. Another issue is with Jaws scripts, life is made so much easier with Jaws with applications like Skype and GoogleTalk. Jaws can kind of work with these applications, particularly the former without scripts but not that well. I find the experience is same with NVDA, if they could integrate the functionalities provided by Jaws Scripts to NVDA as well, things could become a lot better. Another thing might be specific to my style of use. I like the Jaws function of Jaws key + Enter moving the web page by a few frames, particularly useful when reading newspapers and such stuff. Has to keep arrowing down in NVDA and that is something I really don't like. This is a wonderful initiative and I hope NVDA continues to evolve and go from strength to strength. On 9/6/13, Ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial. - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen reader. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47 To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. ' Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
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Hi, I mean the symbols dialog box in MS word. Regards, On 9/8/13, Ejaz Shah e...@gmx.com wrote: You can enable the speaking of command keys with NVDA+4. On 08/09/2013 12:54 PM, Parakh Rajesh wrote: hai, NVDA does not speak enter and escape. what can be done? regards, rajesh parakh - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. ' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Insert b command reads the entire window. The command works the same way as in NVDA too. You could also use review keys to read the text in window line by line. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Renuka Warriar Edakkunni Sent: 07 September 2013 11:47 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hello, I have one doubt. In JAWS, the download or copying status could be checked with the command insert+b, but I couldn't do it in NVDA. Is there any mechanism to do it in NVDA. If no, my suggestion is to get it done. Renuka. On 9/7/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Scripting is cool framework to enhance capabilities of jaws. How ever, it is new language for many and to get jaws configured for speicif requirements, we could hardly find people who could do jaws scripting. With NVDA development team development, we are trying to create a pool of knowledge resource that could help us deal with such situations. I hope once this project becomes a movement, more python developers would be able to fix and address special configuration issues at much faster pace. I am amazed at the number of projects going on in India itself who try to develop tools for blind for computers. If these teams become contributors to NVDa project, we may end up having an army to deal with. This may happen if as users we ask for NVDA when we come to providing accessibility to computers. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker Sent: 06 September 2013 20:05 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Over the last year or so, I have been trying to use more and more of NVDA though Jaws remains my primary screen reader. As so many people have already pointed out, the Jaws cursor like functionality is a difficult part. As Harish Ji has already pointed out, the steps are not as complicated as they might sound , but it is difficult to understand at first, particularly for a Jaws user. Another issue is with Jaws scripts, life is made so much easier with Jaws with applications like Skype and GoogleTalk. Jaws can kind of work with these applications, particularly the former without scripts but not that well. I find the experience is same with NVDA, if they could integrate the functionalities provided by Jaws Scripts to NVDA as well, things could become a lot better. Another thing might be specific to my style of use. I like the Jaws function of Jaws key + Enter moving the web page by a few frames, particularly useful when reading newspapers and such stuff. Has to keep arrowing down in NVDA and that is something I really don't like. This is a wonderful initiative and I hope NVDA continues to evolve and go from strength to strength. On 9/6/13, Ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial. - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen reader. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 06
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Hello friends, as we are conducting serious discussion on developing NVDa, i'm going through an unsolvable dilemma. Developing a screenreader is a really commendable thing, but what if it is not afordable and not attainable to most people in a country. I know that the screenreader here is free of coast, but how about the operating system. How many of us can aford to pay for windows to install the particular screenreader. We have already got Orca in linux, the facilities in Orca is available in regional languages also. It has many problems, but they can be easily solved, if there is a collective initiative from the part of government, NGOs and other related circles. I doubt why all such initiatives go to the corporate circle, and why the open source is completely neglected. I don't know how many of my friends will be comfortable with this idea, but if we don't have a collective bargaining for such developments which are for all alike, the use of technology will be limited to a miniscule minority, as it is now. Apple I phones are the most advanced technology available today, Howmany of us can purchase it? regards On 9/8/13, Kartik Sawhney sawhney.kar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I mean the symbols dialog box in MS word. Regards, On 9/8/13, Ejaz Shah e...@gmx.com wrote: You can enable the speaking of command keys with NVDA+4. On 08/09/2013 12:54 PM, Parakh Rajesh wrote: hai, NVDA does not speak enter and escape. what can be done? regards, rajesh parakh - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. ' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Insert b command reads the entire window. The command works the same way as in NVDA too. You could also use review keys to read the text in window line by line. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Renuka Warriar Edakkunni Sent: 07 September 2013 11:47 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hello, I have one doubt. In JAWS, the download or copying status could be checked with the command insert+b, but I couldn't do it in NVDA. Is there any mechanism to do it in NVDA. If no, my suggestion is to get it done. Renuka. On 9/7/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Scripting is cool framework to enhance capabilities of jaws. How ever, it is new language for many and to get jaws configured for speicif requirements, we could hardly find people who could do jaws scripting. With NVDA development team development, we are trying to create a pool of knowledge resource that could help us deal with such situations. I hope once this project becomes a movement, more python developers would be able to fix and address special configuration issues at much faster pace. I am amazed at the number of projects going on in India itself who try to develop tools for blind for computers. If these teams become contributors to NVDa project, we may end up having an army to deal with. This may happen if as users we ask for NVDA when we come to providing accessibility to computers. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker Sent: 06 September 2013 20:05 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Over the last year or so, I have been trying to use more and more of NVDA though Jaws remains my primary screen reader. As so many people have already pointed out, the Jaws cursor like functionality is a difficult part. As Harish Ji has already pointed out, the steps are not as complicated as they might sound , but it is difficult to understand at first, particularly for a Jaws user. Another issue is with Jaws scripts, life is made so much easier with Jaws with applications like Skype and GoogleTalk. Jaws can kind of work with these applications, particularly the former without scripts but not that well. I find the experience is same with NVDA, if they could integrate the functionalities provided by Jaws Scripts to NVDA as well, things could become a lot better. Another thing might be specific to my style of use. I like the Jaws function of Jaws key + Enter moving the web page by a few frames, particularly useful when reading newspapers and such stuff. Has to keep arrowing down in NVDA and that is something I really don't like. This is a wonderful initiative and I hope NVDA continues to evolve and go from strength to strength. On 9/6/13, Ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: I
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To have every software as open-source could be a good thing in the ideal world. But since Windows is still the dominant OS in the computer world, developing a very effective open-source screen reader for Windows would make more pragmatic sense in my view. A corporate led process has its own benefits as well. The accessibility initiative on the part of Apple has made their high-quality products pretty much accessible to the visually challenged. Besides, the model has prompted others mainly Android to adopt. Most of the accessibility features are more or less on the broad lines set by apple. But as Android is open-source, the accessibility of their products is more meaningful for us in a sense, as Android is a great deal more customizable, and the set of choice much larger for us. So both corporate and open-source development should go hand in hand. When I first tried NVDA in 2010, I really didn't find it very exciting, but its evolution since then has been heartening. Don't think it has reached a level at least for me where it could become my primary screen reader, but the way it is continuing to evolve, I am sure it can certainly give Jaws a run for its money pretty soon. That might in fact prompt Freedom Scientific to perhaps take a relook at their pricing, as well as the pace of their development and evolution. On 9/8/13, habeeb. c habee...@gmail.com wrote: Hello friends, as we are conducting serious discussion on developing NVDa, i'm going through an unsolvable dilemma. Developing a screenreader is a really commendable thing, but what if it is not afordable and not attainable to most people in a country. I know that the screenreader here is free of coast, but how about the operating system. How many of us can aford to pay for windows to install the particular screenreader. We have already got Orca in linux, the facilities in Orca is available in regional languages also. It has many problems, but they can be easily solved, if there is a collective initiative from the part of government, NGOs and other related circles. I doubt why all such initiatives go to the corporate circle, and why the open source is completely neglected. I don't know how many of my friends will be comfortable with this idea, but if we don't have a collective bargaining for such developments which are for all alike, the use of technology will be limited to a miniscule minority, as it is now. Apple I phones are the most advanced technology available today, Howmany of us can purchase it? regards On 9/8/13, Kartik Sawhney sawhney.kar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I mean the symbols dialog box in MS word. Regards, On 9/8/13, Ejaz Shah e...@gmx.com wrote: You can enable the speaking of command keys with NVDA+4. On 08/09/2013 12:54 PM, Parakh Rajesh wrote: hai, NVDA does not speak enter and escape. what can be done? regards, rajesh parakh - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. ' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Insert b command reads the entire window. The command works the same way as in NVDA too. You could also use review keys to read the text in window line by line. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Renuka Warriar Edakkunni Sent: 07 September 2013 11:47 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hello, I have one doubt. In JAWS, the download or copying status could be checked with the command insert+b, but I couldn't do it in NVDA. Is there any mechanism to do it in NVDA. If no, my suggestion is to get it done. Renuka. On 9/7/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Scripting is cool framework to enhance capabilities of jaws. How ever, it is new language for many and to get jaws configured for speicif requirements, we could hardly find people who could do jaws scripting. With NVDA development team development, we are trying to create a pool of knowledge resource that could help us deal with such situations. I hope once this project becomes a movement, more python developers would be able to fix and address special configuration issues at much faster pace. I am amazed at the number of projects going on in India itself who try to develop tools for blind for computers. If these teams become contributors to NVDa project, we may end up having an army to deal with. This may happen if as users we ask for NVDA when we come to providing accessibility to computers. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker
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Hello, I have one doubt. In JAWS, the download or copying status could be checked with the command insert+b, but I couldn't do it in NVDA. Is there any mechanism to do it in NVDA. If no, my suggestion is to get it done. Renuka. On 9/7/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Scripting is cool framework to enhance capabilities of jaws. How ever, it is new language for many and to get jaws configured for speicif requirements, we could hardly find people who could do jaws scripting. With NVDA development team development, we are trying to create a pool of knowledge resource that could help us deal with such situations. I hope once this project becomes a movement, more python developers would be able to fix and address special configuration issues at much faster pace. I am amazed at the number of projects going on in India itself who try to develop tools for blind for computers. If these teams become contributors to NVDa project, we may end up having an army to deal with. This may happen if as users we ask for NVDA when we come to providing accessibility to computers. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker Sent: 06 September 2013 20:05 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Over the last year or so, I have been trying to use more and more of NVDA though Jaws remains my primary screen reader. As so many people have already pointed out, the Jaws cursor like functionality is a difficult part. As Harish Ji has already pointed out, the steps are not as complicated as they might sound , but it is difficult to understand at first, particularly for a Jaws user. Another issue is with Jaws scripts, life is made so much easier with Jaws with applications like Skype and GoogleTalk. Jaws can kind of work with these applications, particularly the former without scripts but not that well. I find the experience is same with NVDA, if they could integrate the functionalities provided by Jaws Scripts to NVDA as well, things could become a lot better. Another thing might be specific to my style of use. I like the Jaws function of Jaws key + Enter moving the web page by a few frames, particularly useful when reading newspapers and such stuff. Has to keep arrowing down in NVDA and that is something I really don't like. This is a wonderful initiative and I hope NVDA continues to evolve and go from strength to strength. On 9/6/13, Ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial. - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen reader. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47 To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. ' Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Review cursor is already always active. You do not need to activate it as you do with jaws. NVDA+arrow keys moves review cursor in current selected frame or as NVDA+NVDA calls it: inside the object. By increasing definition of frame to whole window, SAME COMMANDS DO EXACTLY WHAT JAWS CURSOR IS DOING. WHEN YOU REACH ANY OF THE BUTTON WHICH NEED TO BE ACTIVATED, YOU CAN SIMPLY PRESS NVDA+enter to activate the button under review cursor. In addition to this NVDA also provides audio feedback of movement of actual mouse pointer. You can also route mouse pointer to review cursor or to the insersion pointer. Then activate left or right mouse clicks. With these tips, I would encourage you to go through the user manual which describes all these featues very well. There are also audio tutorials available for use of NVDA and link to these can be found at nvaccess.org web site itself. Thanks Dipendra
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Dear list members, There is a shortcut in Windows itself for accessing system tray Windows Key + B (B for Bravo). I am normally using the said command and not using the JAWS command of Insert+F10. I think one can use it with NVDA also as it's a windows shortcut so should be independent of screen-reader software. Hope above helps. Regards, Vivek This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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I second Vivek. Windows + b works. Regards, Rakesh On 9/7/2013 4:49 PM, Singhal, Vivek wrote: Dear list members, There is a shortcut in Windows itself for accessing system tray Windows Key + B (B for Bravo). I am normally using the said command and not using the JAWS command of Insert+F10. I think one can use it with NVDA also as it's a windows shortcut so should be independent of screen-reader software. Hope above helps. Regards, Vivek This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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A great news in deed. Thanks for sharing Dipendra. Regards, Rakesh On 9/5/2013 11:24 PM, Dipendra Manocha wrote: Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it to: sumandog...@gmail.com Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the e-mail provided above. These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the new features and provide feedback should get into this mode of using NVDA. Last but not the least, We are getting very close of provide licenses of Eloquence to work with NVDA along with the license of Sangita and Vocaliser voices. Saksham will be providing these licenses in a few weeks to come after testing stability of whole new licensing system. I will also be writing soon about what is being done to add all Indian languages in E-speak TTS. So, keep watch in this area as lot of exciting developments are happening here. Wishing everyone all the best and a happy teacher's day. Dipendra Manocha Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for
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the latest NVDA system tray add on is working fine with windows 7. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Hi Dipendra and all, A key advantage of NVDA is that it uses a mainstream language namely python so the developer does not have to learn a proprietary language. Python will stand you in good stead if you want to go for a programming job. As of this writing, as far as I know, python programmers are not easily available in India so you may have a temporary market advantage. Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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But, if Windows+B works well, it is better. It's the Windows command. It works without any Plug-in. - Original Message - From: timy sebastian ettumanoor timys...@gmail.com To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE the latest NVDA system tray add on is working fine with windows 7. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Insert b command reads the entire window. The command works the same way as in NVDA too. You could also use review keys to read the text in window line by line. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Renuka Warriar Edakkunni Sent: 07 September 2013 11:47 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hello, I have one doubt. In JAWS, the download or copying status could be checked with the command insert+b, but I couldn't do it in NVDA. Is there any mechanism to do it in NVDA. If no, my suggestion is to get it done. Renuka. On 9/7/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Scripting is cool framework to enhance capabilities of jaws. How ever, it is new language for many and to get jaws configured for speicif requirements, we could hardly find people who could do jaws scripting. With NVDA development team development, we are trying to create a pool of knowledge resource that could help us deal with such situations. I hope once this project becomes a movement, more python developers would be able to fix and address special configuration issues at much faster pace. I am amazed at the number of projects going on in India itself who try to develop tools for blind for computers. If these teams become contributors to NVDa project, we may end up having an army to deal with. This may happen if as users we ask for NVDA when we come to providing accessibility to computers. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker Sent: 06 September 2013 20:05 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Over the last year or so, I have been trying to use more and more of NVDA though Jaws remains my primary screen reader. As so many people have already pointed out, the Jaws cursor like functionality is a difficult part. As Harish Ji has already pointed out, the steps are not as complicated as they might sound , but it is difficult to understand at first, particularly for a Jaws user. Another issue is with Jaws scripts, life is made so much easier with Jaws with applications like Skype and GoogleTalk. Jaws can kind of work with these applications, particularly the former without scripts but not that well. I find the experience is same with NVDA, if they could integrate the functionalities provided by Jaws Scripts to NVDA as well, things could become a lot better. Another thing might be specific to my style of use. I like the Jaws function of Jaws key + Enter moving the web page by a few frames, particularly useful when reading newspapers and such stuff. Has to keep arrowing down in NVDA and that is something I really don't like. This is a wonderful initiative and I hope NVDA continues to evolve and go from strength to strength. On 9/6/13, Ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial. - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen reader. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47 To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. ' Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Review cursor is already always active. You do not need to activate it as you do with jaws. NVDA+arrow keys moves review cursor in current selected frame or as NVDA+NVDA calls it: inside the object. By increasing definition of frame to whole window, SAME COMMANDS DO EXACTLY WHAT JAWS CURSOR IS DOING. WHEN YOU REACH ANY OF THE BUTTON WHICH NEED TO BE ACTIVATED, YOU CAN SIMPLY PRESS NVDA
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hello, Let me put forth my comments as well. windows+ b works very nice with any screen reader such as jaws, NVDA or even narrator. but, in order to have all the buttens in the system tray, a person should go to the properties of the task bar and he should check the check box under customise taskbar settings which says always show all buttens and labels check box. this trick is tried and tested. regards On 9/7/13, Ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: But, if Windows+B works well, it is better. It's the Windows command. It works without any Plug-in. - Original Message - From: timy sebastian ettumanoor timys...@gmail.com To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE the latest NVDA system tray add on is working fine with windows 7. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Ajay Minocha Mob : +91-9584076767 E mail : ajayminoc...@gmail.com ajayminocha2...@rediffmail.com Skype: ajayminocha2 Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Hi, One issue that I face while using NVDA is that the symbols dialog box is inaccessible. Since this is something that I use all the time, it becomes a great challenge for me. If the label associated with the symbol could be read out, it would be great. Best, On 9/7/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Insert b command reads the entire window. The command works the same way as in NVDA too. You could also use review keys to read the text in window line by line. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Renuka Warriar Edakkunni Sent: 07 September 2013 11:47 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hello, I have one doubt. In JAWS, the download or copying status could be checked with the command insert+b, but I couldn't do it in NVDA. Is there any mechanism to do it in NVDA. If no, my suggestion is to get it done. Renuka. On 9/7/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Scripting is cool framework to enhance capabilities of jaws. How ever, it is new language for many and to get jaws configured for speicif requirements, we could hardly find people who could do jaws scripting. With NVDA development team development, we are trying to create a pool of knowledge resource that could help us deal with such situations. I hope once this project becomes a movement, more python developers would be able to fix and address special configuration issues at much faster pace. I am amazed at the number of projects going on in India itself who try to develop tools for blind for computers. If these teams become contributors to NVDa project, we may end up having an army to deal with. This may happen if as users we ask for NVDA when we come to providing accessibility to computers. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker Sent: 06 September 2013 20:05 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Over the last year or so, I have been trying to use more and more of NVDA though Jaws remains my primary screen reader. As so many people have already pointed out, the Jaws cursor like functionality is a difficult part. As Harish Ji has already pointed out, the steps are not as complicated as they might sound , but it is difficult to understand at first, particularly for a Jaws user. Another issue is with Jaws scripts, life is made so much easier with Jaws with applications like Skype and GoogleTalk. Jaws can kind of work with these applications, particularly the former without scripts but not that well. I find the experience is same with NVDA, if they could integrate the functionalities provided by Jaws Scripts to NVDA as well, things could become a lot better. Another thing might be specific to my style of use. I like the Jaws function of Jaws key + Enter moving the web page by a few frames, particularly useful when reading newspapers and such stuff. Has to keep arrowing down in NVDA and that is something I really don't like. This is a wonderful initiative and I hope NVDA continues to evolve and go from strength to strength. On 9/6/13, Ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial. - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen reader. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47 To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. ' Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Review cursor is already always active. You do not need to activate it as you do with jaws
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In NVDA, we have object navigation, review cursor and carret, and of course physical mouse. Suppose you want to click on close button on any windows say ms word, from the num pad assume that you have turn off, press insert+up arrow once, and then insert+right arrow few time until NVDA says close button followed by insert+enter to click. Hth. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 7:39 AM To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephonesand Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE sir, what is the alternate of jaws and invisible cursore in NVDA? suppose I want to press the close button with a jaws cursore, I can easily do it. i could not find the same in NVDA. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it to: sumandog...@gmail.com Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the e-mail provided above. These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the new features and provide feedback should get into this mode of using NVDA. Last but not the least, We are getting very close of provide licenses of Eloquence to work with NVDA along with the license of Sangita and Vocaliser voices. Saksham will be providing these licenses in a few weeks to come after testing stability of whole new licensing system. I will also be writing soon about what is being done to add all Indian
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Important is the task. We need to be able to read all parts of the screen and messages and also to be able to use mouse clicks when required. NVDa already has this functionality. Most of this works with object navigation. In 2013.2 flat review too has been inhanced to give another option to do this. I too had this problem in the beginning to get used to the reading of messages where NVDA did not announce messaes automatically and there was no pointer. Pleaces where we need to rely on jaws cursor when using jaws. With few days of working with keys of object navigation it has come to same level of ease of use as with jaws cursor. You can compare this to some extent to frame restriction when in jaws cursor. By default NVDA is restricted inside current button or control. You just need to move it one or two levels up by nvda+shift+up arrow and then review cursor movement commands would begin navigation in application window. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ashik Sent: 06 September 2013 09:58 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE I think that is the main problem with NVDA. I have been using NVDA for long, but whenever I get stuck , I have to use JAWS. If the developers of NVDA makes provisions of something like JAWS cursor, I think the scope of this free software will increase a lot. - Original Message - From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE sir, what is the alternate of jaws and invisible cursore in NVDA? suppose I want to press the close button with a jaws cursore, I can easily do it. i could not find the same in NVDA. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities
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Very exciting development indeed! It is up to all of us now to support the developers by testing functionality and posting issues and bugs. Sagar +91 99 30 271732 intouchid: 2010-SAGAR007 http://intch.me/2010-SAGAR007 The evil of the world is made possible only by the sanction you give it. - John Galt in Atlas Shrugged On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:07 AM, Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in wrote: Dear Dipendra What a lovely news to receive on the teachers day. Very excited to read this and we all should translate this window of opportunity to the best of use. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 05 September 2013 23:25 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it to: sumandog...@gmail.com Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the e-mail provided above. These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the new features and provide feedback should get into this mode of using NVDA. Last but not the least, We are getting very close of provide licenses of Eloquence to work with NVDA along with the license of Sangita and Vocaliser voices. Saksham will be providing these licenses in a few weeks to come after testing stability of whole new licensing system. I will also be writing soon about what is being done to add all Indian languages in E-speak TTS. So, keep watch in this area as lot of exciting developments are happening here. Wishing everyone all the best and a happy teacher's day. Dipendra Manocha Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs
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Hi, Nice discussion is going on here. I would like to add some more points. Primarily, my company uses gtalk for chatting. But NVDA is not user friendly in this regard. I personally use gtalk for chatting. To read chat messages I need to press insert B. If I chat continously in an hour it reads from beggining. and menu items are also wont work. can any one suggest me in this regard? Or if it is possible, kindly put this point in to development team. I hope this will get resolved. Hope I explained my query clearly. On 9/6/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Important is the task. We need to be able to read all parts of the screen and messages and also to be able to use mouse clicks when required. NVDa already has this functionality. Most of this works with object navigation. In 2013.2 flat review too has been inhanced to give another option to do this. I too had this problem in the beginning to get used to the reading of messages where NVDA did not announce messaes automatically and there was no pointer. Pleaces where we need to rely on jaws cursor when using jaws. With few days of working with keys of object navigation it has come to same level of ease of use as with jaws cursor. You can compare this to some extent to frame restriction when in jaws cursor. By default NVDA is restricted inside current button or control. You just need to move it one or two levels up by nvda+shift+up arrow and then review cursor movement commands would begin navigation in application window. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ashik Sent: 06 September 2013 09:58 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE I think that is the main problem with NVDA. I have been using NVDA for long, but whenever I get stuck , I have to use JAWS. If the developers of NVDA makes provisions of something like JAWS cursor, I think the scope of this free software will increase a lot. - Original Message - From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE sir, what is the alternate of jaws and invisible cursore in NVDA? suppose I want to press the close button with a jaws cursore, I can easily do it. i could not find the same in NVDA. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs
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Review cursor is already always active. You do not need to activate it as you do with jaws. NVDA+arrow keys moves review cursor in current selected frame or as NVDA calls it: inside the object. By increasing definition of frame to whole window, SAME COMMANDS DO EXACTLY WHAT JAWS CURSOR IS DOING. WHEN YOU REACH ANY OF THE BUTTON WHICH NEED TO BE ACTIVATED, YOU CAN SIMPLY PRESS NVDA+enter to activate the button under review cursor. In addition to this NVDA also provides audio feedback of movement of actual mouse pointer. You can also route mouse pointer to review cursor or to the insersion pointer. Then activate left or right mouse clicks. With these tips, I would encourage you to go through the user manual which describes all these featues very well. There are also audio tutorials available for use of NVDA and link to these can be found at nvaccess.org web site itself. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma Sent: 06 September 2013 07:39 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE sir, what is the alternate of jaws and invisible cursore in NVDA? suppose I want to press the close button with a jaws cursore, I can easily do it. i could not find the same in NVDA. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it to: sumandog...@gmail.com Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the e-mail provided above
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Would be very interested to engage with this TTS developer to facilitate that this new TTS is compatible and available with regular NVDA installer. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ashik Sent: 06 September 2013 06:37 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Sir, I am glad to inform you all that a Nepali software developer has developed a Gujarati TTS recently. However it is still to be published. We are in the processof making it more user-friendly. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it to: sumandog...@gmail.com Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the e-mail provided above. These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the new features and provide feedback should get into this mode of using NVDA. Last but not the least, We are getting very close of provide licenses of Eloquence to work with NVDA along with the license of Sangita and Vocaliser voices. Saksham will be providing these licenses in a few weeks to come after testing stability of whole new licensing system. I will also be writing soon about what is being done to add all Indian languages in E-speak TTS. So, keep watch in this area as lot of exciting developments are happening here. Wishing everyone all the best and a happy teacher's day
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Remember to send such requests to Suman. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of srinivas bangalore_11 Sent: 06 September 2013 12:28 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi, Nice discussion is going on here. I would like to add some more points. Primarily, my company uses gtalk for chatting. But NVDA is not user friendly in this regard. I personally use gtalk for chatting. To read chat messages I need to press insert B. If I chat continously in an hour it reads from beggining. and menu items are also wont work. can any one suggest me in this regard? Or if it is possible, kindly put this point in to development team. I hope this will get resolved. Hope I explained my query clearly. On 9/6/13, Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com wrote: Important is the task. We need to be able to read all parts of the screen and messages and also to be able to use mouse clicks when required. NVDa already has this functionality. Most of this works with object navigation. In 2013.2 flat review too has been inhanced to give another option to do this. I too had this problem in the beginning to get used to the reading of messages where NVDA did not announce messaes automatically and there was no pointer. Pleaces where we need to rely on jaws cursor when using jaws. With few days of working with keys of object navigation it has come to same level of ease of use as with jaws cursor. You can compare this to some extent to frame restriction when in jaws cursor. By default NVDA is restricted inside current button or control. You just need to move it one or two levels up by nvda+shift+up arrow and then review cursor movement commands would begin navigation in application window. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ashik Sent: 06 September 2013 09:58 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE I think that is the main problem with NVDA. I have been using NVDA for long, but whenever I get stuck , I have to use JAWS. If the developers of NVDA makes provisions of something like JAWS cursor, I think the scope of this free software will increase a lot. - Original Message - From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE sir, what is the alternate of jaws and invisible cursore in NVDA? suppose I want to press the close button with a jaws cursore, I can easily do it. i could not find the same in NVDA. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook
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Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen reader. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47 To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. ' Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Review cursor is already always active. You do not need to activate it as you do with jaws. NVDA+arrow keys moves review cursor in current selected frame or as NVDA calls it: inside the object. By increasing definition of frame to whole window, SAME COMMANDS DO EXACTLY WHAT JAWS CURSOR IS DOING. WHEN YOU REACH ANY OF THE BUTTON WHICH NEED TO BE ACTIVATED, YOU CAN SIMPLY PRESS NVDA+enter to activate the button under review cursor. In addition to this NVDA also provides audio feedback of movement of actual mouse pointer. You can also route mouse pointer to review cursor or to the insersion pointer. Then activate left or right mouse clicks. With these tips, I would encourage you to go through the user manual which describes all these featues very well. There are also audio tutorials available for use of NVDA and link to these can be found at nvaccess.org web site itself. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma Sent: 06 September 2013 07:39 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE sir, what is the alternate of jaws and invisible cursore in NVDA? suppose I want to press the close button with a jaws cursore, I can easily do it. i could not find the same in NVDA. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed
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Actually unlearning is biger challenge than learning. There are some podcasts for object navigation already available. We may need to do some specifically for jaws users. Even for that. It would be better if new NVDA users could point out where they are getting stuck and where they feel the need to switch back to jaws. That feedback would be very helpful. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Kotian, H P Sent: 06 September 2013 13:01 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen reader. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47 To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. ' Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Review cursor is already always active. You do not need to activate it as you do with jaws. NVDA+arrow keys moves review cursor in current selected frame or as NVDA calls it: inside the object. By increasing definition of frame to whole window, SAME COMMANDS DO EXACTLY WHAT JAWS CURSOR IS DOING. WHEN YOU REACH ANY OF THE BUTTON WHICH NEED TO BE ACTIVATED, YOU CAN SIMPLY PRESS NVDA+enter to activate the button under review cursor. In addition to this NVDA also provides audio feedback of movement of actual mouse pointer. You can also route mouse pointer to review cursor or to the insersion pointer. Then activate left or right mouse clicks. With these tips, I would encourage you to go through the user manual which describes all these featues very well. There are also audio tutorials available for use of NVDA and link to these can be found at nvaccess.org web site itself. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma Sent: 06 September 2013 07:39 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE sir, what is the alternate of jaws and invisible cursore in NVDA? suppose I want to press the close button with a jaws cursore, I can easily do it. i could not find the same in NVDA. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list
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Rightly said, sir. I'll contact you at a proper time in this regard. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. ' accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Would be very interested to engage with this TTS developer to facilitate that this new TTS is compatible and available with regular NVDA installer. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ashik Sent: 06 September 2013 06:37 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Sir, I am glad to inform you all that a Nepali software developer has developed a Gujarati TTS recently. However it is still to be published. We are in the processof making it more user-friendly. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it to: sumandog...@gmail.com Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the e-mail provided above. These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the new features and provide feedback should get into this mode of using NVDA. Last but not the least, We are getting very close of provide licenses of Eloquence to work with NVDA along with the license of Sangita and Vocaliser voices. Saksham will be providing these licenses in a few weeks to come after testing
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I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial. - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen reader. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47 To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. ' Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Review cursor is already always active. You do not need to activate it as you do with jaws. NVDA+arrow keys moves review cursor in current selected frame or as NVDA calls it: inside the object. By increasing definition of frame to whole window, SAME COMMANDS DO EXACTLY WHAT JAWS CURSOR IS DOING. WHEN YOU REACH ANY OF THE BUTTON WHICH NEED TO BE ACTIVATED, YOU CAN SIMPLY PRESS NVDA+enter to activate the button under review cursor. In addition to this NVDA also provides audio feedback of movement of actual mouse pointer. You can also route mouse pointer to review cursor or to the insersion pointer. Then activate left or right mouse clicks. With these tips, I would encourage you to go through the user manual which describes all these featues very well. There are also audio tutorials available for use of NVDA and link to these can be found at nvaccess.org web site itself. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma Sent: 06 September 2013 07:39 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE sir, what is the alternate of jaws and invisible cursore in NVDA? suppose I want to press the close button with a jaws cursore, I can easily do it. i could not find the same in NVDA. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who
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Over the last year or so, I have been trying to use more and more of NVDA though Jaws remains my primary screen reader. As so many people have already pointed out, the Jaws cursor like functionality is a difficult part. As Harish Ji has already pointed out, the steps are not as complicated as they might sound , but it is difficult to understand at first, particularly for a Jaws user. Another issue is with Jaws scripts, life is made so much easier with Jaws with applications like Skype and GoogleTalk. Jaws can kind of work with these applications, particularly the former without scripts but not that well. I find the experience is same with NVDA, if they could integrate the functionalities provided by Jaws Scripts to NVDA as well, things could become a lot better. Another thing might be specific to my style of use. I like the Jaws function of Jaws key + Enter moving the web page by a few frames, particularly useful when reading newspapers and such stuff. Has to keep arrowing down in NVDA and that is something I really don't like. This is a wonderful initiative and I hope NVDA continues to evolve and go from strength to strength. On 9/6/13, Ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial. - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen reader. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47 To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. ' Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Review cursor is already always active. You do not need to activate it as you do with jaws. NVDA+arrow keys moves review cursor in current selected frame or as NVDA calls it: inside the object. By increasing definition of frame to whole window, SAME COMMANDS DO EXACTLY WHAT JAWS CURSOR IS DOING. WHEN YOU REACH ANY OF THE BUTTON WHICH NEED TO BE ACTIVATED, YOU CAN SIMPLY PRESS NVDA+enter to activate the button under review cursor. In addition to this NVDA also provides audio feedback of movement of actual mouse pointer. You can also route mouse pointer to review cursor or to the insersion pointer. Then activate left or right mouse clicks. With these tips, I would encourage you to go through the user manual which describes all these featues very well. There are also audio tutorials available for use of NVDA and link to these can be found at nvaccess.org web site itself. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma Sent: 06 September 2013 07:39 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE sir, what is the alternate of jaws and invisible cursore in NVDA? suppose I want to press the close button with a jaws cursore, I can easily do it. i could not find the same in NVDA. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now
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And another little thing. On pressing shift plus the relevant key, Jaws takes one to the last button/checkbox/combobox/list on a web page even from the top. Would be nice if NVDA could do the same, as reading webpages could be made a lot more easier with such flexibility. On 9/6/13, Mahesh S. Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com wrote: Over the last year or so, I have been trying to use more and more of NVDA though Jaws remains my primary screen reader. As so many people have already pointed out, the Jaws cursor like functionality is a difficult part. As Harish Ji has already pointed out, the steps are not as complicated as they might sound , but it is difficult to understand at first, particularly for a Jaws user. Another issue is with Jaws scripts, life is made so much easier with Jaws with applications like Skype and GoogleTalk. Jaws can kind of work with these applications, particularly the former without scripts but not that well. I find the experience is same with NVDA, if they could integrate the functionalities provided by Jaws Scripts to NVDA as well, things could become a lot better. Another thing might be specific to my style of use. I like the Jaws function of Jaws key + Enter moving the web page by a few frames, particularly useful when reading newspapers and such stuff. Has to keep arrowing down in NVDA and that is something I really don't like. This is a wonderful initiative and I hope NVDA continues to evolve and go from strength to strength. On 9/6/13, Ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial. - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen reader. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47 To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. ' Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Review cursor is already always active. You do not need to activate it as you do with jaws. NVDA+arrow keys moves review cursor in current selected frame or as NVDA calls it: inside the object. By increasing definition of frame to whole window, SAME COMMANDS DO EXACTLY WHAT JAWS CURSOR IS DOING. WHEN YOU REACH ANY OF THE BUTTON WHICH NEED TO BE ACTIVATED, YOU CAN SIMPLY PRESS NVDA+enter to activate the button under review cursor. In addition to this NVDA also provides audio feedback of movement of actual mouse pointer. You can also route mouse pointer to review cursor or to the insersion pointer. Then activate left or right mouse clicks. With these tips, I would encourage you to go through the user manual which describes all these featues very well. There are also audio tutorials available for use of NVDA and link to these can be found at nvaccess.org web site itself. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma Sent: 06 September 2013 07:39 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE sir, what is the alternate of jaws and invisible cursore in NVDA? suppose I want to press the close button with a jaws cursore, I can easily do it. i could not find the same in NVDA. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India
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please please someone creat a better audio tutorial for the same. waiting as the earliest. thanks in advance your friend, Timy. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Glad to know that this excellent work is being done in India.
I have a rather useful feature request.
When reading through the message list in Outlook using the up and down arrow
keys, NVDA announces all the column headers along with the message details,
for example, message read, from Manish Agrawal, Subject {AI} Exciting
development in screen reading software, received 18:30, size 22 kb
Column headers like from, subject, received, etc are unnecessary
verbiage especially for someone who spends 3-4 hours a day working with
Outlook.
It would be good to have a feature where these column header announcements
can be turned off for Outlook. It would just be enough for NVDA to announce
Manish Agrawal, {AI} Exciting developments in screen reading software,
18:30 22kb This would make reading through the Outlook message list
much faster and less repetitive.
If there is already a way to do this in NVDA, I would be happy to be told
how.
Just my two cents worth.
Regards,
Kiran
-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Manish Agrawal
Sent: 06 September 2013 18:29
To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
phones and Tabs. '
Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Hello,
snipI have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a
better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such
tutorial./snip It is interesting to hear all the different user
perspectives. I'll put across mine - and honestly I am not trying to
inflame this healthy discussion.
One thing that has not come up in this discussion and is not very obvious to
us as users is that this is open source software. It not only means it is
free, it also means that we as users can contribute to it as much as we can.
For example, a tutorial is not something that a software developer only
needs to create. Every single person on this list can contribute to creating
learning resources about NVDA - you try things, read up on the net, ask a
friend etc. and find out a few things about NVDA that you didn't know till
yesterday, feel free to go out and distribute that information to others.
Create your own tutorials, blog posts, podcasts etc. Those will not be
perfect but they will be better than not having anything for the next person
and you would have contributed towards making NVDA better.
So, we can just ask for features and bug fixes and tutorials and wish
someone will do it.
Or we can also contribute in whatever little ways we can - e.g. create
tutorials, volunteer to train others, become beta testers and report
problems etc.
Philosophy aside, some tips for users struggling with new/different concepts
in NVDA:
1. Join the NVDA support mailing list. It is a list similar to access India
and full of very passionate and experienced NVDA users. You can find a lot
of help on the simple and not so simple problems you run into while getting
up to speed with NVDA.
2. NVDA is not jaws. It is a different screen reader that is trying a
different set of innovations and mechanisms to bring accessibility to
software. Spend more time learning NVDA.
3. NVDA is not jaws (did I just say that??). Jaws is much older, has a much
larger team of developers, has much more funding etc. but jaws is also much
more expensive. NVDA is a simpler product and although it is very powerful,
it does not have all the features of jaws. However, at this point it is so
powerful that a user like me who deals with a lot of cutting edge newly
developed software applications on a daily basis is able to run only with
NVDA almost the whole day.
4. Developing a screen reader is very hard. So, if you reported a bug, asked
for a feature etc. and no one seems to hear you for a while, do not despair.
Every small fix in NVDA takes a lot of time and effort. The developers are
probably still fixing the last request.
Regards,
Manish
-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
Of Ashik
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 6:38 PM
To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones
and Tabs.
Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I
listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have
nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better
tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial.
- Original Message -
From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in
To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile
phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Hi Dipendra
Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it
yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my
Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Hello, snipI have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial./snip It is interesting to hear all the different user perspectives. I'll put across mine - and honestly I am not trying to inflame this healthy discussion. One thing that has not come up in this discussion and is not very obvious to us as users is that this is open source software. It not only means it is free, it also means that we as users can contribute to it as much as we can. For example, a tutorial is not something that a software developer only needs to create. Every single person on this list can contribute to creating learning resources about NVDA - you try things, read up on the net, ask a friend etc. and find out a few things about NVDA that you didn't know till yesterday, feel free to go out and distribute that information to others. Create your own tutorials, blog posts, podcasts etc. Those will not be perfect but they will be better than not having anything for the next person and you would have contributed towards making NVDA better. So, we can just ask for features and bug fixes and tutorials and wish someone will do it. Or we can also contribute in whatever little ways we can - e.g. create tutorials, volunteer to train others, become beta testers and report problems etc. Philosophy aside, some tips for users struggling with new/different concepts in NVDA: 1. Join the NVDA support mailing list. It is a list similar to access India and full of very passionate and experienced NVDA users. You can find a lot of help on the simple and not so simple problems you run into while getting up to speed with NVDA. 2. NVDA is not jaws. It is a different screen reader that is trying a different set of innovations and mechanisms to bring accessibility to software. Spend more time learning NVDA. 3. NVDA is not jaws (did I just say that??). Jaws is much older, has a much larger team of developers, has much more funding etc. but jaws is also much more expensive. NVDA is a simpler product and although it is very powerful, it does not have all the features of jaws. However, at this point it is so powerful that a user like me who deals with a lot of cutting edge newly developed software applications on a daily basis is able to run only with NVDA almost the whole day. 4. Developing a screen reader is very hard. So, if you reported a bug, asked for a feature etc. and no one seems to hear you for a while, do not despair. Every small fix in NVDA takes a lot of time and effort. The developers are probably still fixing the last request. Regards, Manish -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Ashik Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 6:38 PM To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial. - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen reader. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47 To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. ' Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Review cursor is already always active. You do not need to activate it as you do with jaws. NVDA+arrow keys moves review cursor in current selected frame or as NVDA+NVDA calls it: inside the object. By increasing definition of frame to whole window, SAME COMMANDS DO EXACTLY WHAT JAWS CURSOR IS DOING. WHEN YOU REACH ANY OF THE BUTTON WHICH NEED TO BE ACTIVATED, YOU CAN SIMPLY PRESS NVDA+enter to activate the button under review cursor. In addition to this NVDA also provides audio feedback of movement of actual mouse pointer. You can also route mouse pointer to review cursor or to the insersion
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Hello! As far as I know regarding NVDA, instead of jaws I have tasted many payed screen reader like windows eyes, thunder, etc but perhaps those screen reader might be more powerful even then jaws, but I didn't like those screen reader cause I couldn't understand the feature of those screen reader clearly, and keyboard command was also very tricky. But I felt jaws and NVDA is only the program which can support number of popular application. And if I considered regarding the portability of screen reader, I like NVDA much, cause we can use NVDA along with eloquence voice in any computer without installing them. Till now we can not expect another cursor like jaws or invisible cursor in NVDA, but perhaps things will going to be change soon. cause in order to access another cursor from the keyboard along with speech, it need its own display driver which NVDA doesn't have right now. Jaws is using video intersept software, which require to install in computer if you are using the portable jaws as his display driver. Therefore I believe that we have to rely on the NVDA cursor which is review cursor or object navigation. And another things should be included in the NVDA package is that, as jaws how one can create his or her own required addons using python language. -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:05 PM To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Over the last year or so, I have been trying to use more and more of NVDA though Jaws remains my primary screen reader. As so many people have already pointed out, the Jaws cursor like functionality is a difficult part. As Harish Ji has already pointed out, the steps are not as complicated as they might sound , but it is difficult to understand at first, particularly for a Jaws user. Another issue is with Jaws scripts, life is made so much easier with Jaws with applications like Skype and GoogleTalk. Jaws can kind of work with these applications, particularly the former without scripts but not that well. I find the experience is same with NVDA, if they could integrate the functionalities provided by Jaws Scripts to NVDA as well, things could become a lot better. Another thing might be specific to my style of use. I like the Jaws function of Jaws key + Enter moving the web page by a few frames, particularly useful when reading newspapers and such stuff. Has to keep arrowing down in NVDA and that is something I really don't like. This is a wonderful initiative and I hope NVDA continues to evolve and go from strength to strength. On 9/6/13, Ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial. - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen reader. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47 To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. ' Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Review cursor is already always active. You do not need to activate it as you do with jaws. NVDA+arrow keys moves review cursor in current selected frame or as NVDA calls it: inside the object. By increasing definition of frame to whole window, SAME COMMANDS DO EXACTLY WHAT JAWS CURSOR IS DOING. WHEN YOU REACH ANY OF THE BUTTON WHICH NEED TO BE ACTIVATED, YOU CAN SIMPLY PRESS NVDA+enter to activate the button under review cursor. In addition to this NVDA also provides audio feedback of movement of actual mouse pointer. You can also route mouse pointer to review cursor or to the insersion pointer. Then activate left or right mouse clicks. With these tips, I would encourage you to go through the user manual which describes all these featues very well. There are also audio tutorials
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thought to write another 2 bugs which I have found in nvda. 1. in windows 7 system, if we use system tray script it will not working. 2. in thunderbird, instead of saying blank, it saying line feed, that is unnessessary. hope our indian venters will solve the same. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Hi all, Another podcast on NVDA's object navigation is at the direct mp3 URL http://www.cucat.org/class_notes/CaviCasts/2012/20120428object%20nav.mp3 Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Dear Friends, Really a great revolution is coming up for us on screen reader front. I am sure somebody soon will make specific podcast / recording but I wish to share a webpage link http://www.vict-consultancy.co.uk/content/podcasts.html where you can find below two podcasts. This will be useful for us to know about review cursor, object navigation, etc. with laptop layout. Podcast 1 The new NVDA laptop layout explained If you use NVDA with a laptop, you will have to come to terms with the fact that the laptop keystrokes for most popular functions have changed in NVDA 2013.1. Paul Warner explains how approaching the new layout in a particular way makes the new keystrokes easier to remember and also shows how the Navigation Keys mode in vMouse provides an easy solution to avoid having to remember any of the standard keyboard shortcuts. The new NVDA laptop layout explained - listen to the podcast - 12 Minutes audio. Posted: 18 May 2013 (11.3Mb) Podcast 2 Introducing vMouse for NVDA Paul Warner demonstrates vMouse for NVDA, a PC application which makes it easier to use the mouse with NVDA, provides a new interface for using object navigation and the review cursor, and which also adds a new text selection utility and the ability to create clickable hotspots. Listen to the vMouse for NVDA podcast - 77 Minutes audio. Posted: 05 December 2012 (68.5Mb). Best regards, PRASHANT NAIK On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 8:08 PM, timy sebastian ettumanoor timys...@gmail.com wrote: please please someone creat a better audio tutorial for the same. waiting as the earliest. thanks in advance your friend, Timy. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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better if such recording be done in hindi. in this way many non-technical people like me can understand NVDA better. in pakistan I found that they have recorded their tutorial in urdu. - Original Message - From: Prashant Naik pran...@gmail.com To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Friends, Really a great revolution is coming up for us on screen reader front. I am sure somebody soon will make specific podcast / recording but I wish to share a webpage link http://www.vict-consultancy.co.uk/content/podcasts.html where you can find below two podcasts. This will be useful for us to know about review cursor, object navigation, etc. with laptop layout. Podcast 1 The new NVDA laptop layout explained If you use NVDA with a laptop, you will have to come to terms with the fact that the laptop keystrokes for most popular functions have changed in NVDA 2013.1. Paul Warner explains how approaching the new layout in a particular way makes the new keystrokes easier to remember and also shows how the Navigation Keys mode in vMouse provides an easy solution to avoid having to remember any of the standard keyboard shortcuts. The new NVDA laptop layout explained - listen to the podcast - 12 Minutes audio. Posted: 18 May 2013 (11.3Mb) Podcast 2 Introducing vMouse for NVDA Paul Warner demonstrates vMouse for NVDA, a PC application which makes it easier to use the mouse with NVDA, provides a new interface for using object navigation and the review cursor, and which also adds a new text selection utility and the ability to create clickable hotspots. Listen to the vMouse for NVDA podcast - 77 Minutes audio. Posted: 05 December 2012 (68.5Mb). Best regards, PRASHANT NAIK On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 8:08 PM, timy sebastian ettumanoor timys...@gmail.com wrote: please please someone creat a better audio tutorial for the same. waiting as the earliest. thanks in advance your friend, Timy. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Good suggestion. We should do this. We will try to do this through our team. How ever, if there are any members who are intereste to contribute for this task, please do write to Mrs. Suman sharma. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma Sent: 07 September 2013 07:16 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE better if such recording be done in hindi. in this way many non-technical people like me can understand NVDA better. in pakistan I found that they have recorded their tutorial in urdu. - Original Message - From: Prashant Naik pran...@gmail.com To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Friends, Really a great revolution is coming up for us on screen reader front. I am sure somebody soon will make specific podcast / recording but I wish to share a webpage link http://www.vict-consultancy.co.uk/content/podcasts.html where you can find below two podcasts. This will be useful for us to know about review cursor, object navigation, etc. with laptop layout. Podcast 1 The new NVDA laptop layout explained If you use NVDA with a laptop, you will have to come to terms with the fact that the laptop keystrokes for most popular functions have changed in NVDA 2013.1. Paul Warner explains how approaching the new layout in a particular way makes the new keystrokes easier to remember and also shows how the Navigation Keys mode in vMouse provides an easy solution to avoid having to remember any of the standard keyboard shortcuts. The new NVDA laptop layout explained - listen to the podcast - 12 Minutes audio. Posted: 18 May 2013 (11.3Mb) Podcast 2 Introducing vMouse for NVDA Paul Warner demonstrates vMouse for NVDA, a PC application which makes it easier to use the mouse with NVDA, provides a new interface for using object navigation and the review cursor, and which also adds a new text selection utility and the ability to create clickable hotspots. Listen to the vMouse for NVDA podcast - 77 Minutes audio. Posted: 05 December 2012 (68.5Mb). Best regards, PRASHANT NAIK On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 8:08 PM, timy sebastian ettumanoor timys...@gmail.com wrote: please please someone creat a better audio tutorial for the same. waiting as the earliest. thanks in advance your friend, Timy. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_ac cessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.or g.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_acc essindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org .in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1
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NVDA does have another feature of add-ons. There are several add-ons that have been contributed by different developers round the globe. In version 2013.2 version of NVDA in the manage add-on dialogue box you do have a link that takes you to the download page of the NVDA add-ons. There is a specific add-on dealing with system tray. This is specifically for persons who have come habitual of jaws script for system tray. This add-on adds this system tray item listing feature to NVDA. Else, from desktop, we can tab to systemtray itself. Here by using arrow keys we can access all items of system tray and activate these. Regarding linefeed: In document like MS word: If we use up or down arrow in a document with blank lines, it does say blank. If you use left or right arrow, it announces line-feed. Linefeed is the character that symbolised an enter key press at that location. This in fact is an additional feature which I find to be very useful and exactly the required behaviour. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of timy sebastian ettumanoor Sent: 07 September 2013 04:38 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE thought to write another 2 bugs which I have found in nvda. 1. in windows 7 system, if we use system tray script it will not working. 2. in thunderbird, instead of saying blank, it saying line feed, that is unnessessary. hope our indian venters will solve the same. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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Our friend Pranav have actually authored a set of tutorials for using NVDA with many different applications such as Open office, thunder bird, and all the applications which are part of Samarth tools. These tutorials are part of Samarth tools package. I will ask Saksham team to post these tutorials to be downloadable separately and not just as part of complete Samarth tools. Samarth tools is a single installer of NVDA and host of applications which are open source or free and work well with NVDA. This is a free download of 1.2 GB. You could request a DVD of the same from Saksham. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Pranav Lal Sent: 06 September 2013 22:43 To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. ' Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi all, Another podcast on NVDA's object navigation is at the direct mp3 URL http://www.cucat.org/class_notes/CaviCasts/2012/20120428object%20nav.mp3 Pranav Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessind ia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Scripting is cool framework to enhance capabilities of jaws. How ever, it is new language for many and to get jaws configured for speicif requirements, we could hardly find people who could do jaws scripting. With NVDA development team development, we are trying to create a pool of knowledge resource that could help us deal with such situations. I hope once this project becomes a movement, more python developers would be able to fix and address special configuration issues at much faster pace. I am amazed at the number of projects going on in India itself who try to develop tools for blind for computers. If these teams become contributors to NVDa project, we may end up having an army to deal with. This may happen if as users we ask for NVDA when we come to providing accessibility to computers. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Panicker Sent: 06 September 2013 20:05 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Over the last year or so, I have been trying to use more and more of NVDA though Jaws remains my primary screen reader. As so many people have already pointed out, the Jaws cursor like functionality is a difficult part. As Harish Ji has already pointed out, the steps are not as complicated as they might sound , but it is difficult to understand at first, particularly for a Jaws user. Another issue is with Jaws scripts, life is made so much easier with Jaws with applications like Skype and GoogleTalk. Jaws can kind of work with these applications, particularly the former without scripts but not that well. I find the experience is same with NVDA, if they could integrate the functionalities provided by Jaws Scripts to NVDA as well, things could become a lot better. Another thing might be specific to my style of use. I like the Jaws function of Jaws key + Enter moving the web page by a few frames, particularly useful when reading newspapers and such stuff. Has to keep arrowing down in NVDA and that is something I really don't like. This is a wonderful initiative and I hope NVDA continues to evolve and go from strength to strength. On 9/6/13, Ashik ashikhir...@gmail.com wrote: I was also thinking of the same. A nice tutorial is necessary for us. I listened to the tutorial available, but I could not get much of it. I have nothing against the tutor, but the fact remains that we need a better tutorial. Dependar sir is requestted to develop one such tutorial. - Original Message - From: Kotian, H P hpkot...@rbi.org.in To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Hi Dipendra Although the steps in reality are really simple once you do it yourself, while reading about it it seems something that is not my cup for most. What I would suggest, is to make a small specific podcast with an example which are carried out both in Jaws and NVDA for this specific task. Once folks get the concept of object navigation right they will automatically get convinced about the utility of NVDA is a good screen reader. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 06 September 2013 12:47 To: 'Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones and Tabs. ' Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Review cursor is already always active. You do not need to activate it as you do with jaws. NVDA+arrow keys moves review cursor in current selected frame or as NVDA+NVDA calls it: inside the object. By increasing definition of frame to whole window, SAME COMMANDS DO EXACTLY WHAT JAWS CURSOR IS DOING. WHEN YOU REACH ANY OF THE BUTTON WHICH NEED TO BE ACTIVATED, YOU CAN SIMPLY PRESS NVDA+enter to activate the button under review cursor. In addition to this NVDA also provides audio feedback of movement of actual mouse pointer. You can also route mouse pointer to review cursor or to the insersion pointer. Then activate left or right mouse clicks. With these tips, I would encourage you to go through the user manual which describes all these featues very well. There are also audio tutorials available for use of NVDA and link to these can be found at nvaccess.org web site itself. Thanks Dipendra -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of bhawani shankar verma Sent: 06 September 2013 07:39 To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephones and Tabs. Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Dear Sir, I am glad to inform you all that a Nepali software developer has developed a Gujarati TTS recently. However it is still to be published. We are in the processof making it more user-friendly. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it to: sumandog...@gmail.com Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the e-mail provided above. These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the new features and provide feedback should get into this mode of using NVDA. Last but not the least, We are getting very close of provide licenses of Eloquence to work with NVDA along with the license of Sangita and Vocaliser voices. Saksham will be providing these licenses in a few weeks to come after testing stability of whole new licensing system. I will also be writing soon about what is being done to add all Indian languages in E-speak TTS. So, keep watch in this area as lot of exciting developments are happening here. Wishing everyone all the best and a happy teacher's day. Dipendra Manocha Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman
[AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it to: sumandog...@gmail.com Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the e-mail provided above. These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the new features and provide feedback should get into this mode of using NVDA. Last but not the least, We are getting very close of provide licenses of Eloquence to work with NVDA along with the license of Sangita and Vocaliser voices. Saksham will be providing these licenses in a few weeks to come after testing stability of whole new licensing system. I will also be writing soon about what is being done to add all Indian languages in E-speak TTS. So, keep watch in this area as lot of exciting developments are happening here. Wishing everyone all the best and a happy teacher's day. Dipendra Manocha Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
sir, what is the alternate of jaws and invisible cursore in NVDA? suppose I want to press the close button with a jaws cursore, I can easily do it. i could not find the same in NVDA. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it to: sumandog...@gmail.com Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the e-mail provided above. These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the new features and provide feedback should get into this mode of using NVDA. Last but not the least, We are getting very close of provide licenses of Eloquence to work with NVDA along with the license of Sangita and Vocaliser voices. Saksham will be providing these licenses in a few weeks to come after testing stability of whole new licensing system. I will also be writing soon about what is being done to add all Indian languages in E-speak TTS. So, keep watch in this area as lot of exciting developments are happening here. Wishing everyone all the best and a happy teacher's day. Dipendra Manocha Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo
Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Dipendra, This is fantastic! Eagerly keeping an eye out for your progress bulletins. George -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 05 September 2013 23:25 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it to: sumandog...@gmail.com Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the e-mail provided above. These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the new features and provide feedback should get into this mode of using NVDA. Last but not the least, We are getting very close of provide licenses of Eloquence to work with NVDA along with the license of Sangita and Vocaliser voices. Saksham will be providing these licenses in a few weeks to come after testing stability of whole new licensing system. I will also be writing soon about what is being done to add all Indian languages in E-speak TTS. So, keep watch in this area as lot of exciting developments are happening here. Wishing everyone all the best and a happy teacher's day. Dipendra Manocha Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessin dia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending
Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
I think that is the main problem with NVDA. I have been using NVDA for long, but whenever I get stuck , I have to use JAWS. If the developers of NVDA makes provisions of something like JAWS cursor, I think the scope of this free software will increase a lot. - Original Message - From: bhawani shankar verma bsvermad...@gmail.com To: Dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobilephonesand Tabs. accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE sir, what is the alternate of jaws and invisible cursore in NVDA? suppose I want to press the close button with a jaws cursore, I can easily do it. i could not find the same in NVDA. - Original Message - From: Dipendra Manocha dipendra.li...@gmail.com To: accessindia accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2013 11:24 PM Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it to: sumandog...@gmail.com Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the e-mail provided above. These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the new features and provide feedback should get into this mode of using NVDA. Last but not the least, We are getting very close of provide licenses of Eloquence to work with NVDA along with the license of Sangita and Vocaliser voices. Saksham will be providing these licenses in a few weeks to come after testing stability of whole new licensing system. I will also be writing soon about what is being done to add all Indian languages in E-speak TTS. So, keep watch in this area as lot of exciting developments are happening here. Wishing everyone all the best and a happy
Re: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE
Dear Dipendra What a lovely news to receive on the teachers day. Very excited to read this and we all should translate this window of opportunity to the best of use. Harish Kotian -Original Message- From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Dipendra Manocha Sent: 05 September 2013 23:25 To: accessindia Subject: [AI] NEW EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN SCREEN READING SOFTWARE Dear Access-Indians I would like to share a very exciting development in the area of Screen Reading software. As you all know that NVDA is an open source screen reading software that can be downloaded free of cost from nvaccess.org web site. Its latest version is 2013-2 released just few days ago. There are some good developments related to NVDA here in India. First; A development team is now working right here in India contributing new features and improving the screen reading software. The team is lead by one of our brightest software developer who himself is a screen reading software user. He is Mr. Manish Agrawal. Manish works full time with Sapient Technologies at very senior knowledge resource and he now gives 40% of his time specifically to the NVDA project. He is supported by one more dedicated developer and also very experienced screen reading software tester. IIT Delhi is also putting a team together to work under Manish to contribute in development of NVDA. All these efforts are under a joint project being implemented by CIS and Saksham and supported by enable-India. Thanks to Hans Foundation to provide financial support to run this project. Specific objective of getting a team here in India is to work on priorities set by users in India. The team started its work by concentrating on improving performance of NVDA in Microsoft office applications. Some of the remarkable improvements that Indian team contributed to NVDA include: Added sentence reading command Improved paragraph reading command performance specially with bullets and auto numbering Reading of protected documents in MS word Announcement of suggestions in microsoft outlook in to or cc fields Improvements of speech output in spell check dialogue box Reading of status bar im all office 2010 applications Etc... This list is growing fast and we can all appreciate that how important these features are for us. More important is that we now have developers who are very willing to listen to us and work on what we think are most important features for us in our jobs or educational environments. For example, One major reason due to which I myself was not able to switch to NVDA was that it did not announce auto complete suggestions of mail IDs in Microsoft outlook. Global team had this a very low priority because they always suggested to use thunderbird instead of MS Outlook. I could not make that shift due to my company policy and responsibilities. Indian development team fixed this issue and for past few months I am working very happily full time with NVDA as my full time screen reading software. What this team now wants is that the priorities of bug fixes or new feature requests should be set by the users themselves. So, here comes the opportunity to make a screen reading software work where we find that it is not working. If you would like to report an problem that you are facing use of NVDA or you feel NVDA is not providing information that you need, please report it to: sumandog...@gmail.com Normally there are three releases of NVDA every year. How-ever, if you would like to try out builds of version that NVDA development team in India is releasing, write to Suman with this intension on the e-mail provided above. These releases are issued after every bug fix. These are not ensured for stability and thus only those who would like to test out the new features and provide feedback should get into this mode of using NVDA. Last but not the least, We are getting very close of provide licenses of Eloquence to work with NVDA along with the license of Sangita and Vocaliser voices. Saksham will be providing these licenses in a few weeks to come after testing stability of whole new licensing system. I will also be writing soon about what is being done to add all Indian languages in E-speak TTS. So, keep watch in this area as lot of exciting developments are happening here. Wishing everyone all the best and a happy teacher's day. Dipendra Manocha Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1
