Re: [AI] Time to limit AI membership and verify identities of the members?

2013-04-25 Thread Avichal Bhatnagar
In my opinion, nothing needs to be changed or modified.
Let every thing run as it is.
Limiting anything is no solution.
As internet users are growing rapidly every year, how can we expect
access india membership to remain stable?
And, as it is said, more the marier.
More members can be turned into a useful resource.
More people would mean discussion on a wider range of subjects related
to different ability/accessibility.
Thanks,
Avichal

On 4/24/13, Vamshi. G gvamsh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, having subscribed to the group while browsing on the net without
 any reference, I would certainly not vote in favour of having
 restrictions on new membership.  But the traffic has grown enormously
 over the years.  I think the more important job is to conduct a study
 on the mails of the group and identify the areas in which the traffic
 is increasing, and have alternative groups for such areas.  For
 example, we have lot of traffic on AI list for mobile phones  which
 clearly proves how much that group has contributed in restricting the
 traffic on this group.  Similarly, there is a group called.  visually
 impaired bankers of India which is a group for visually challenged
 bankers having more than 250 members with decent traffic.  going by
 this, I think we must form more and more such specialised groups
 keeping Access India for more generalised discussions.   And once we
 see discussions in a particular area growing beyond a limit,
 especially when that area is not of interest to all, then alternative
 group should be formed.  Coming back to the idea of conducting a study
 of the  mails to identify such areas, a team can be formed to take up
 the job.  And, being a researcher, I would be more than happy to be
 part of such a team.  Thoughts awaited.







 On 4/24/13, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Virtual World is too complex that identification and varification is
 very cumbersome.
 And many people prefer to protect their real identity due to lack of
 safety and security.
 I don't think anything is wrong about it, unless they pose threat to
 the foundation of the list.
 There is an old saying: the more restriction, the more alternative
 ways of intrusion..
 And remember, behind every  E-mail, human feeling exists, people say.
 Better, memberr behave in a manner that they expect others to behave with
 them.
 Otherwise, Their public immage is on the radar of scrutiny not by
 strangers but their current and prospective family and friends.
 (Smiles)
 On 4/24/13, Prashant Ranjan Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote:
 There is a limit to the maximum number of members a discussion list like
 AI
 can serve. So, should new members be approved only on referrals or
 invitation?
 And is it also time to set up a mechanism to verify the identity of
 members?
 It is reported that there are few people with multiple and fake IDs
 here.

 I think members and the moderator should reflect on these questions.

 Prashant


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[AI] Time to limit AI membership and verify identities of the members?

2013-04-25 Thread ss sarfudeen
Dear Moderator and others,

I wonder if this is a public forum ment which is for sharing and
receiving information pertaining to any aspect of the life of a the VI
sector in the country. As one member rightly pointed out earlier, the
Moderator already has too many responsibilities in managing the emails
on this list. In my view, the existing guidelines of the list are
sufficient to regulate the different messages that are posted on the
list and the codes of decorum for members to be observed while
commenting or replying any message.

@Prashant Sir, I respect your views. But at the same time, it is
difficult to varify membership details. Nevertheless, members should
understand and restrict their membership to only one genuine email id.

 @Rajesh, please do not try to be very harsh in  expressing your
views/suggestions. You need to understand that Accessindia is not
running a poll to vote and appoint a panel for the selection of the
members. Nor is a selection process to scrutinize and verify the
biodata of each member and decide who needs to be subscribed for a
membership. We are all matured enough to conduct ourselves
appropriately on this list. Should any violation of the guidelines of
the list in any manner takes place, the Moderator could intervene by
issuing a warning or taking appropriate action against the concerned
person. Hope the Moderator would close traffic on this thread soon.

Regards,

Sultana

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Re: [AI] Time to limit AI membership and verify identities of the members?

2013-04-25 Thread Prashant Ranjan Verma
Dear all,
I had only expressed some of my concerns and requested for some
brainstorming on this issue. 
There was no need of  such strong reactions. 

Dear Avichal, Akhilesh, Bijoy and others, many thanks for your respect and
support. But I request you not to respond to such personal comments. Please
try to restrain yourself from allowing someone to take the debate in
unwanted direction.  

I guess I am among the oldest members of AccessIndia and in the last 10odd
years  I have encouraged dozens and dozens of visually impaired persons to
join the list. I have seen the growth of the list and the enormous benefits
it has brought to its members. Even though the traffic has grown
significantly I have tried to read all the mails on a daily basis. This
however becomes difficult when due to some reason I am not able to check
mails for a few days. The pile of unread AI mails becomes so huge that even
going through the subject line becomes a very big task. It is perhaps due to
this that many of my friends  who could have benifitted from the list and
contributed significantly dropped out of the list. Unfortunately many of
them are the ones who should have joined but being non-techky they are not
able to handle the traffic.

AI has the potential of getting 5000 and even 50 thousand members one day
considering the 15 million plus population of visually impaired in India. I
would dearly like to remain a member even on that day but I am bit worried
as to how many mails I will be able to read. I guess I have the right to get
worried and do some thinking about this at least.

But it is perfectly fine if no change is made to the list setup. I will
remain a member and try to contribute. After all our beloved list is the
premier communication channel for VI community here. 

I guess many of us have given our thoughts to the moderator already and he
may close this thread. 
From my side I will not add to this thread any more.

With regards,
Prashant 

www.prashant.myehome.in 



 


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Of ss sarfudeen
Sent: 25 April 2013 19:50
To: accessindia
Subject: [AI] Time to limit AI membership and verify identities of the
members?

Dear Moderator and others,

I wonder if this is a public forum ment which is for sharing and receiving
information pertaining to any aspect of the life of a the VI sector in the
country. As one member rightly pointed out earlier, the Moderator already
has too many responsibilities in managing the emails on this list. In my
view, the existing guidelines of the list are sufficient to regulate the
different messages that are posted on the list and the codes of decorum for
members to be observed while commenting or replying any message.

@Prashant Sir, I respect your views. But at the same time, it is difficult
to varify membership details. Nevertheless, members should understand and
restrict their membership to only one genuine email id.

 @Rajesh, please do not try to be very harsh in  expressing your
views/suggestions. You need to understand that Accessindia is not running a
poll to vote and appoint a panel for the selection of the members. Nor is a
selection process to scrutinize and verify the biodata of each member and
decide who needs to be subscribed for a membership. We are all matured
enough to conduct ourselves appropriately on this list. Should any violation
of the guidelines of the list in any manner takes place, the Moderator could
intervene by issuing a warning or taking appropriate action against the
concerned person. Hope the Moderator would close traffic on this thread
soon.

Regards,

Sultana

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[AI] . Time to limit AI membership and verify identities of the members?

2013-04-25 Thread ss sarfudeen
Dear Moderator and all members,

I did not mean to hurt the feelings of any member and had also
expressed my views politely. I only ment that it is difficult to
varify personal information of each member on the list.

Regards,

Sultana

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[AI] Time to limit AI membership and verify identities of the members?

2013-04-24 Thread Prashant Ranjan Verma
There is a limit to the maximum number of members a discussion list like AI
can serve. So, should new members be approved only on referrals or
invitation?
And is it also time to set up a mechanism to verify the identity of members?
It is reported that there are few people with multiple and fake IDs here.

I think members and the moderator should reflect on these questions.

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Re: [AI] Time to limit AI membership and verify identities of the members?

2013-04-24 Thread Srikanth Kanuri
I really support your view. That would control spam. 

Sent from Srikanth's iPhone 5

On 24-Apr-2013, at 5:51 PM, Prashant Ranjan Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote:

 There is a limit to the maximum number of members a discussion list like AI
 can serve. So, should new members be approved only on referrals or
 invitation?
 And is it also time to set up a mechanism to verify the identity of members?
 It is reported that there are few people with multiple and fake IDs here.
 
 I think members and the moderator should reflect on these questions.
 
 Prashant 
 
 
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Re: [AI] Time to limit AI membership and verify identities of the members?

2013-04-24 Thread SC Vashishth
Dear Prashant/ Harish,

This is a tricky issue. My considered view is that it would be too
premature to put conditions of references/ invitations to join the list.
There are several people on the list who just want to be updated on the new
development in the VI Sector, family members, friends, relatives,
journalists, students, govt. officials,  and the list is too wide.

Email verifications and brief information about the person joining the list
would serve the purpose of the list. The moderator may consider having more
personal information, if required, about each member admitted to the list.
 Idea is not to restrict the members on the list but to promote and
enourage healthy and constructive discussions and information sharing on
the subjects that affect the VI and allowed under the list guidelines. This
being a public forum,  the archive of the mails/discussions is available
thorugh search engines.

Therefore, conduct of the person on the list over a period of time should
be the deciding criteria and Moderator should be the best judge on this.
Any content  that is abusive or comes with in the restricted parameters can
also be removed from the archive and thread closed for traffic and the
person /email id can be banned from the list after due diligence.
regards

Subhash Chandra Vashishth
Advocate



On 24 April 2013 17:51, Prashant Ranjan Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote:

 There is a limit to the maximum number of members a discussion list like AI
 can serve. So, should new members be approved only on referrals or
 invitation?
 And is it also time to set up a mechanism to verify the identity of
 members?
 It is reported that there are few people with multiple and fake IDs here.

 I think members and the moderator should reflect on these questions.

 Prashant


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Re: [AI] Time to limit AI membership and verify identities of the members?

2013-04-24 Thread Mahesh S. Panicker
Well, Access India has been the most important platform for visually
challenged in India to come together and enhance our understanding
about enabling technology and questions of accessibility. As such, I
don't think putting in too many restrictions would be a good idea. The
moderator is already having lots of responsibilities, saddling him
with further responsibilities of verification and so on may have
serious practical limitations. I don't think it would be prudent to
convert this platform into an invite only list, there are many people
from different parts of the country joining the platform, they may not
always find people to invite and refer.
If there are members who violate list guidelines, they can always be
removed. Anyone who abuses the list for nefarious purposes such as
duping people, again, the moderator can always take action.
So in my view, things should be considered on a case by case basis,
rather than bringing in too many restrictions that could deny access
to such an important platform for people who would need it.
Regards,

On 4/24/13, SC Vashishth subhashvashis...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Prashant/ Harish,

 This is a tricky issue. My considered view is that it would be too
 premature to put conditions of references/ invitations to join the list.
 There are several people on the list who just want to be updated on the new
 development in the VI Sector, family members, friends, relatives,
 journalists, students, govt. officials,  and the list is too wide.

 Email verifications and brief information about the person joining the list
 would serve the purpose of the list. The moderator may consider having more
 personal information, if required, about each member admitted to the list.
  Idea is not to restrict the members on the list but to promote and
 enourage healthy and constructive discussions and information sharing on
 the subjects that affect the VI and allowed under the list guidelines. This
 being a public forum,  the archive of the mails/discussions is available
 thorugh search engines.

 Therefore, conduct of the person on the list over a period of time should
 be the deciding criteria and Moderator should be the best judge on this.
 Any content  that is abusive or comes with in the restricted parameters can
 also be removed from the archive and thread closed for traffic and the
 person /email id can be banned from the list after due diligence.
 regards

 Subhash Chandra Vashishth
 Advocate



 On 24 April 2013 17:51, Prashant Ranjan Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote:

 There is a limit to the maximum number of members a discussion list like
 AI
 can serve. So, should new members be approved only on referrals or
 invitation?
 And is it also time to set up a mechanism to verify the identity of
 members?
 It is reported that there are few people with multiple and fake IDs here.

 I think members and the moderator should reflect on these questions.

 Prashant


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Re: [AI] Time to limit AI membership and verify identities of the members?

2013-04-24 Thread Rohith P
I too think that there is no need for restricting membership by means
of referals and invitation. We are all, most of us, able to say this
just because the access was free when we joined the list.
There are a lot of silent listers who benefit from fellow listers
quiries. So let the list be open to all. And regarding duplicate email
accounts: Many of us do have more than one account and this does not
tell us anything. Let's all follow the rules, and there is the
moderator in case of any violation. As always let's be inclusive.
cheers
rohith



On 4/24/13, Mahesh S. Panicker maheshspanic...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, Access India has been the most important platform for visually
 challenged in India to come together and enhance our understanding
 about enabling technology and questions of accessibility. As such, I
 don't think putting in too many restrictions would be a good idea. The
 moderator is already having lots of responsibilities, saddling him
 with further responsibilities of verification and so on may have
 serious practical limitations. I don't think it would be prudent to
 convert this platform into an invite only list, there are many people
 from different parts of the country joining the platform, they may not
 always find people to invite and refer.
 If there are members who violate list guidelines, they can always be
 removed. Anyone who abuses the list for nefarious purposes such as
 duping people, again, the moderator can always take action.
 So in my view, things should be considered on a case by case basis,
 rather than bringing in too many restrictions that could deny access
 to such an important platform for people who would need it.
 Regards,

 On 4/24/13, SC Vashishth subhashvashis...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Prashant/ Harish,

 This is a tricky issue. My considered view is that it would be too
 premature to put conditions of references/ invitations to join the list.
 There are several people on the list who just want to be updated on the
 new
 development in the VI Sector, family members, friends, relatives,
 journalists, students, govt. officials,  and the list is too wide.

 Email verifications and brief information about the person joining the
 list
 would serve the purpose of the list. The moderator may consider having
 more
 personal information, if required, about each member admitted to the
 list.
  Idea is not to restrict the members on the list but to promote and
 enourage healthy and constructive discussions and information sharing on
 the subjects that affect the VI and allowed under the list guidelines.
 This
 being a public forum,  the archive of the mails/discussions is available
 thorugh search engines.

 Therefore, conduct of the person on the list over a period of time should
 be the deciding criteria and Moderator should be the best judge on this.
 Any content  that is abusive or comes with in the restricted parameters
 can
 also be removed from the archive and thread closed for traffic and the
 person /email id can be banned from the list after due diligence.
 regards

 Subhash Chandra Vashishth
 Advocate



 On 24 April 2013 17:51, Prashant Ranjan Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

 There is a limit to the maximum number of members a discussion list like
 AI
 can serve. So, should new members be approved only on referrals or
 invitation?
 And is it also time to set up a mechanism to verify the identity of
 members?
 It is reported that there are few people with multiple and fake IDs
 here.

 I think members and the moderator should reflect on these questions.

 Prashant


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Re: [AI] Time to limit AI membership and verify identities of the members?

2013-04-24 Thread avinash shahi
Virtual World is too complex that identification and varification is
very cumbersome.
And many people prefer to protect their real identity due to lack of
safety and security.
I don't think anything is wrong about it, unless they pose threat to
the foundation of the list.
There is an old saying: the more restriction, the more alternative
ways of intrusion..
And remember, behind every  E-mail, human feeling exists, people say.
Better, memberr behave in a manner that they expect others to behave with them.
Otherwise, Their public immage is on the radar of scrutiny not by
strangers but their current and prospective family and friends.
(Smiles)
On 4/24/13, Prashant Ranjan Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote:
 There is a limit to the maximum number of members a discussion list like AI
 can serve. So, should new members be approved only on referrals or
 invitation?
 And is it also time to set up a mechanism to verify the identity of
 members?
 It is reported that there are few people with multiple and fake IDs here.

 I think members and the moderator should reflect on these questions.

 Prashant


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Re: [AI] Time to limit AI membership and verify identities of the members?

2013-04-24 Thread Vamshi. G
Well, having subscribed to the group while browsing on the net without
any reference, I would certainly not vote in favour of having
restrictions on new membership.  But the traffic has grown enormously
over the years.  I think the more important job is to conduct a study
on the mails of the group and identify the areas in which the traffic
is increasing, and have alternative groups for such areas.  For
example, we have lot of traffic on AI list for mobile phones  which
clearly proves how much that group has contributed in restricting the
traffic on this group.  Similarly, there is a group called.  visually
impaired bankers of India which is a group for visually challenged
bankers having more than 250 members with decent traffic.  going by
this, I think we must form more and more such specialised groups
keeping Access India for more generalised discussions.   And once we
see discussions in a particular area growing beyond a limit,
especially when that area is not of interest to all, then alternative
group should be formed.  Coming back to the idea of conducting a study
of the  mails to identify such areas, a team can be formed to take up
the job.  And, being a researcher, I would be more than happy to be
part of such a team.  Thoughts awaited.







On 4/24/13, avinash shahi shahi88avin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Virtual World is too complex that identification and varification is
 very cumbersome.
 And many people prefer to protect their real identity due to lack of
 safety and security.
 I don't think anything is wrong about it, unless they pose threat to
 the foundation of the list.
 There is an old saying: the more restriction, the more alternative
 ways of intrusion..
 And remember, behind every  E-mail, human feeling exists, people say.
 Better, memberr behave in a manner that they expect others to behave with
 them.
 Otherwise, Their public immage is on the radar of scrutiny not by
 strangers but their current and prospective family and friends.
 (Smiles)
 On 4/24/13, Prashant Ranjan Verma pr_ve...@hotmail.com wrote:
 There is a limit to the maximum number of members a discussion list like
 AI
 can serve. So, should new members be approved only on referrals or
 invitation?
 And is it also time to set up a mechanism to verify the identity of
 members?
 It is reported that there are few people with multiple and fake IDs here.

 I think members and the moderator should reflect on these questions.

 Prashant


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