Re: [AI] interactive CD's
Hi all, Scripting is not a panacea for all accessibility issues. There has to be some text for the scripts to capture before it can be presented. A lot of these CDs render their output in graphical format. One option that people could try is to use the Cobra screen reader which I believe has built-in optical character recognition capabilities. Pranav -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of govind reddy Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:51 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] interactive CD's Hi Vamshi: Yes certainly we can have the scripts for such CD's. So therefore I kindly request the intellectuals of the list to consider the task of writing some scripts to access such cd's. It would be very nice if such scripts come out for accessing such useful material. I have many CD's from Oxford and cambridge. universities. Regards, Govind. Skype: govindhowsweet To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] interactive Cd's
Hi all, 1. Free copies will not cut it. Please remember that we are a very small market. It is not worth the publishers while to consider accessibility unless there are other people will benefit from the same adjustment. 2. I have been given to understand that the Indian copyright law does permit fair use so, that provision needs to be highlighted when discussing with publishers. I do not have any more information on this. 3. We need to come up with concrete suggestions to give to publishers for making their software accessible. It is easy to say make so-and-so in a certain way but technically, we need to tell them what will be required. Remember, software developers know nothing about accessibility and they are surprised when adaptive technology is demonstrated to them. 4. Large organisations that serve the blind need to carry out active lobbying to promote the cause of accessible education material. This needs to be extended to education software as well. Pranav To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] interactive CD's
Respected Pranav Sir, Wonderful information provided by you. thanks a lot first of all. When we talk about cobra screen reader, I doubt is there any English version of this screen reader? Because what I remember is that it has got a German version. Please update me on the same. Regards, Amar Jain. - Original Message - From: Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [AI] interactive CD's Hi all, Scripting is not a panacea for all accessibility issues. There has to be some text for the scripts to capture before it can be presented. A lot of these CDs render their output in graphical format. One option that people could try is to use the Cobra screen reader which I believe has built-in optical character recognition capabilities. Pranav -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of govind reddy Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:51 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] interactive CD's Hi Vamshi: Yes certainly we can have the scripts for such CD's. So therefore I kindly request the intellectuals of the list to consider the task of writing some scripts to access such cd's. It would be very nice if such scripts come out for accessing such useful material. I have many CD's from Oxford and cambridge. universities. Regards, Govind. Skype: govindhowsweet To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] interactive CD's
An English version is imminent or so I've been given to understand. -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Amar Jain Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:26 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] interactive CD's Respected Pranav Sir, Wonderful information provided by you. thanks a lot first of all. When we talk about cobra screen reader, I doubt is there any English version of this screen reader? Because what I remember is that it has got a German version. Please update me on the same. Regards, Amar Jain. - Original Message - From: Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:07 PM Subject: Re: [AI] interactive CD's Hi all, Scripting is not a panacea for all accessibility issues. There has to be some text for the scripts to capture before it can be presented. A lot of these CDs render their output in graphical format. One option that people could try is to use the Cobra screen reader which I believe has built-in optical character recognition capabilities. Pranav -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of govind reddy Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:51 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] interactive CD's Hi Vamshi: Yes certainly we can have the scripts for such CD's. So therefore I kindly request the intellectuals of the list to consider the task of writing some scripts to access such cd's. It would be very nice if such scripts come out for accessing such useful material. I have many CD's from Oxford and cambridge. universities. Regards, Govind. Skype: govindhowsweet To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] interactive Cd's
Hello sir: What Amar has said in his mail is very true. Many companies or the manifacturers of such Cd's, hardly consider the issue of accessibility. I also bought many CD's to improve my French and English, but found them to be very useless as they cannot be accessed with our screen readers. Let us hope for some positive developments in this from manifacturers in the coming future. Regards, Govind. Skype: govindhowsweet To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] interactive Cd's
true, i've bought some CDs for solving income tex questions, but could not identify anything with the help of jaws. at the outset, i thought that this may be the incompetency of my own, but i've discovered the problems with other visually impaired folks as well, which is really unfortunate. if i'm correct, US is pretty strict in the accessibility matters, and their fedral law regarding accessibility of matterials is rigid enough, which compells obligations on the manyfacturers to produce accessible prodicts. we must learn the same in india, because it's high time to do that, as this may be called our rising period. from my perspective, influencial people of community should take the responsibility towards making things accessible, at least the studdy matterials. for this, indivisual letters can be written to the major manifacturers, and government should be pressurised via different mediums meanwhile. intelectuals, let's make a difference! aisha sahani. On 8/17/09, govind reddy sgred...@gmail.com wrote: Hello sir: What Amar has said in his mail is very true. Many companies or the manifacturers of such Cd's, hardly consider the issue of accessibility. I also bought many CD's to improve my French and English, but found them to be very useless as they cannot be accessed with our screen readers. Let us hope for some positive developments in this from manifacturers in the coming future. Regards, Govind. Skype: govindhowsweet To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Rightly said, we must write letters and do efforts. What I remember is, one of the organization in India is talking to publishers and asking for E-copies wherever possible. When I spoke to few course organizers and asked them to provide me soft copy, they said that there is some copyright issue involved in doing that so they couldn't provide me soft copies. I don't know about Indian Copyright Act and the problem involved in it, so won't comment on it. In US, section 508 that is what I know talks about accessibility. But in India first we have to change laws and even before that we need to make people or publishers aware that how we use computers, what is accessibility and how can they provide us accessible material. I remember previously few listers said that work is going on to improve our copyright act but don't know exactly everything about it. But yes, if that treety which was failed recently of WIPO which was allowing to make accessible material, if that gets passed in November-December when again the confrance is, then it will be easier for us to improve our copyright act that's what I think. Just now red Vanshi sir's reply, so to answer that, firstly the program needs to have accessible interface then only we can make scripts for that. Means, the program creators must have followed accessibility guidelines, then we can create scripts for that. Because scripts make it easier to use the program but it does not introduce accessibility. Don't know weather Java applications would be a good example of it, but if there is accessibility in Java application and then if we use access bridge, then those accessibility features can be used. Don't know weather its a good example or not but just trying to make understand. - Original Message - From: aisha sahani mailtoaishasah...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [AI] interactive Cd's true, i've bought some CDs for solving income tex questions, but could not identify anything with the help of jaws. at the outset, i thought that this may be the incompetency of my own, but i've discovered the problems with other visually impaired folks as well, which is really unfortunate. if i'm correct, US is pretty strict in the accessibility matters, and their fedral law regarding accessibility of matterials is rigid enough, which compells obligations on the manyfacturers to produce accessible prodicts. we must learn the same in india, because it's high time to do that, as this may be called our rising period. from my perspective, influencial people of community should take the responsibility towards making things accessible, at least the studdy matterials. for this, indivisual letters can be written to the major manifacturers, and government should be pressurised via different mediums meanwhile. intelectuals, let's make a difference! aisha sahani. On 8/17/09, govind reddy sgred...@gmail.com wrote: Hello sir: What Amar has said in his mail is very true. Many companies or the manifacturers of such Cd's, hardly consider the issue of accessibility. I also bought many CD's to improve my French and English, but found them to be very useless as they cannot be accessed with our screen readers. Let us hope for some positive developments in this from manifacturers in the coming future. Regards, Govind. Skype: govindhowsweet To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] interactive CD's
Hi Vamshi: Yes certainly we can have the scripts for such CD's. So therefore I kindly request the intellectuals of the list to consider the task of writing some scripts to access such cd's. It would be very nice if such scripts come out for accessing such useful material. I have many CD's from Oxford and cambridge. universities. Regards, Govind. Skype: govindhowsweet To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] interactive CD's
I just don't know for how long we will wait for laws to do right things anyways. Script writing is an alternate option to enable access and the chances are that the application will still not be 100% accessible and above all, the application should be accessible in general that is it should be usable with any or most screen readers. The Section 508, do not says the bla application should be accessible with JAWS or Window Eyes rather it says, the design of the application should render proper information through accepted accessibility standards. Copyright laws can not protect anything, students may still copy the information passed using inaccessible application to their notebooks and the notes will be in circulation for ages. (still remember getting Photostats of notes in college having dates 5 years back) and on top of anything all were the articles and paragraph from copyrighted books!!! Thanks Mukesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of govind reddy Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:51 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] interactive CD's Hi Vamshi: Yes certainly we can have the scripts for such CD's. So therefore I kindly request the intellectuals of the list to consider the task of writing some scripts to access such cd's. It would be very nice if such scripts come out for accessing such useful material. I have many CD's from Oxford and cambridge. universities. Regards, Govind. Skype: govindhowsweet To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Ah forgot to tell my personal Experience, when I complained about the inaccessibility of NIIT courseware CD's to the HO, I got a reply that the CD's do provide audio information for most of the topics and to get that audio one must click an option though an inaccessible one. So I can ask my mom or to click that option or they would tell one of the faculty to do that for me!!! BTW am reaching to the list? Thanks Mukesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of govind reddy Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:51 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] interactive CD's Hi Vamshi: Yes certainly we can have the scripts for such CD's. So therefore I kindly request the intellectuals of the list to consider the task of writing some scripts to access such cd's. It would be very nice if such scripts come out for accessing such useful material. I have many CD's from Oxford and cambridge. universities. Regards, Govind. Skype: govindhowsweet To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
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Yes Mukesh bhaiya you are reaching to the list. Bhaiya you told right about copyright law, but when I asked them, they said the law does not allow us to make the data available into e-copy. Your experience shows the standard of the so called educated and 21st century people living in the country. Talking about publishers, one of the publishers S Chand, provides accessible material that is what I heard. I also red on their website I think that we can provide you accessible material in whatever way means in cd, in html etc you want. However I have not tried yet. Regards Amar Jain. - Original Message - From: Mukesh Sharma mrmukeshsha...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [AI] interactive CD's Ah forgot to tell my personal Experience, when I complained about the inaccessibility of NIIT courseware CD's to the HO, I got a reply that the CD's do provide audio information for most of the topics and to get that audio one must click an option though an inaccessible one. So I can ask my mom or to click that option or they would tell one of the faculty to do that for me!!! BTW am reaching to the list? Thanks Mukesh -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of govind reddy Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:51 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] interactive CD's Hi Vamshi: Yes certainly we can have the scripts for such CD's. So therefore I kindly request the intellectuals of the list to consider the task of writing some scripts to access such cd's. It would be very nice if such scripts come out for accessing such useful material. I have many CD's from Oxford and cambridge. universities. Regards, Govind. Skype: govindhowsweet To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
Re: [AI] interactive CD's
I could navigate MKCL CD by using JAWS cursor to a considerable extent. If scripts could be developed, that would be wonderful indeed. However, I primarily want to know whether there are such CDs for competitive exams like Banking, Civil services etc. on various topics. Then, we should take up the challenge of making them accessible through legal means of compelling the publishers, or by generating sufficient market for them in order to have publishers pay attention to accessibility, or as a last resort, by developing scripts or modifying the existing CDs desirably. Regards Rajesh Asudani Assistant General Manager (PPS), Reserve Bank of India Nagpur 09420397185 O: 0712 2806676 Res: 0712 2591349 Doth God exact day-labour, light denied? John Milton -Original Message- From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of govind reddy Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 6:51 PM To: accessindia Subject: Re: [AI] interactive CD's Hi Vamshi: Yes certainly we can have the scripts for such CD's. So therefore I kindly request the intellectuals of the list to consider the task of writing some scripts to access such cd's. It would be very nice if such scripts come out for accessing such useful material. I have many CD's from Oxford and cambridge. universities. Regards, Govind. Skype: govindhowsweet To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Notice: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this email by error, please notify us by return e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Bank accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in
