Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
You could always reproduce the answer sheets in your support.
How bad your scribe has written for you.
New Delhi: Examination answer sheets must be made public under the Right
to
Information (RTI) Act, the Supreme Court has ruled.
This will be applicable to all examinations by public agencies in India,
said lawyer Divya Jyoti Jaipuriar, who argued on behalf of two
non-governmental organizations after a student who filed the case lost
interest in sustaining the litigation.
On Tuesday, a bench comprising justices R.V. Raveendran and A.K. Patnaik
dismissed petitions filed by various public examination agencies while
upholding a 2009 judgement of the Calcutta high court.
The move will help make the education system more transparent and
administrators more accountable, said Sobha Mishra, head of education at
industry lobby Ficci.
If someone sat for an exam, he should not be denied the right to see his
answer paper once the result is out. No institute or exam-conducting body
should ever resist such disclosure, she said.
In 2007, Pritam Rooz, a student of University of Calcutta, filed an RTI
application seeking the disclosure of his answer sheet. His request was
denied due to university policy.
He then approached the high court, where a single judge and a two-judge
bench ruled that the university should release the answer sheets.
The Central Board of Secondary Education, the West Bengal Board of
Secondary
Education, the West Bengal Council of Higher Secondary Education, the
University of Calcutta, the Institute of Chartered Accountants of India,
the
West Bengal School Service Commission and the Assam Public Service
Commission appealed against the high court's ruling in the apex court.
Rooz, however, did not pursue the case in the Supreme Court. Mazdoor Kisan
Shakti Sangathan, a society that had campaigned for transparency in the
form
of the RTI law, and Joint Operation for Social Help, a student help group,
took on the case.
Subsequently, other institutions that conduct tests also joined the case
and
opposed the disclosure of corrected answer sheets.
They argued that evaluated answer sheets are not covered under
information
as defined in the RTI Act, and that releasing these papers will lead to a
collapse of the system.
The court noted that several universities that disclose corrected answer
sheets on request haven't faced such a collapse. It also said it is the
duty
of public authorities to allow maximum disclosure as envisaged by the RTI
Act
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From: Amit Bhatt misterbh...@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
Hello Vidhya,
We understand your problems and the pain you are suffering with.
Akhilesh, we should also include such example before producing the
representation.
Our Examination system has lot of errors and unnecessary barriers I
believe.
The fight has been begun and let us move forward step by step.
Regards,
Amit Bhatt
- Original Message -
From: vidhya y vidhya@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:07 PM
Subject: [AI] problem in examinations:
Dear sir/madam,
previously I had introduced myself that I am studying Bca first sem
in Christ University Bangalore.
I have 8 subjects, out of which 2 are practical subjects.
At first everything went on good but now I am not able to get good
result for my efforts.
In Christ university Rules prescribed by the UGC are being followed,
the rules state that the scribe must be one grade lower than the
student and if seniors they should be from a totaly different
stream.
1: I have Mathematics which is advanced and cannot be dictated to
any of the juniors, and its difficult to train a junior as they also
have to concentrate on their studies.
2: Digital computer fundamentals is fully based on circuits and
calculations which cannot even be dictated to a junior computer
science student.
3: electronics is full of diagrams and circuits which is tricky and
needs a lot of hard work.
4: C programming this subject is quite simple but it becomes complex
when dictated to a non computer science student:
I have just finished the midsem exam, when i was dictating symbols
in C like \,{,},||,,# etc my scribe was not able to understand.
generally in english we write sentences by giving space between every
word, but in c every space makes a difference.
while declaring variables space is not permited, but in printf and
scanf statements its permited but how would I know what my scribe
must have understood when I told any statement?
when I told my scribe to write %d in symbols she had written
percent D in words but how do I know that?
5. only English and Statistics can be easily conveyed to my
Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
On 8/12/11, vidhya y vidhya@gmail.com wrote:
Dear sir/madam,
previously I had introduced myself that I am studying Bca first sem
in Christ University Bangalore.
I have 8 subjects, out of which 2 are practical subjects.
At first everything went on good but now I am not able to get good
result for my efforts.
In Christ university Rules prescribed by the UGC are being followed,
the rules state that the scribe must be one grade lower than the
student and if seniors they should be from a totaly different
stream.
1: I have Mathematics which is advanced and cannot be dictated to
any of the juniors, and its difficult to train a junior as they also
have to concentrate on their studies.
2: Digital computer fundamentals is fully based on circuits and
calculations which cannot even be dictated to a junior computer
science student.
3: electronics is full of diagrams and circuits which is tricky and
needs a lot of hard work.
4: C programming this subject is quite simple but it becomes complex
when dictated to a non computer science student:
I have just finished the midsem exam, when i was dictating symbols
in C like \,{,},||,,# etc my scribe was not able to understand.
generally in english we write sentences by giving space between every
word, but in c every space makes a difference.
while declaring variables space is not permited, but in printf and
scanf statements its permited but how would I know what my scribe
must have understood when I told any statement?
when I told my scribe to write %d in symbols she had written
percent D in words but how do I know that?
5. only English and Statistics can be easily conveyed to my scribe.
when I tryed to explain to the examination office in the college,
They are very strict about rules of UGC.
every day I study till 11.30 pm and work so hard, but what is the use
when I am not permited to write what ever I know?
When I try to explain people about that, I always receive the same answer:
science is difficult you should have taken other cources!?
why do you worry when you are able to get more than 85% marks in most
of the suhbjects inspite of the difficulties why do you want more in
all subjects?
but my question is Why shouldn't I want more when i have studied
everything?
this is really discouraging and I felt to change the course!
the rules cannot be made general for all subjects
in my 12th I had taken commerce I had no probblem if any science
stream student wrote exam for me because Accounts could be easily
explained if I had practiced a little.
Does it mean that Science is not for Vi students?
Why should I loose marks where I actualy should not loose?
Can any one give me a selution for this?
If people doubt that seniors who know the subject can write all the
answers and we get more marks, why dont they think if juniors write
the exam They wont even be able to read the question paper and we
unnecessarily loose marks?
waiting for any valuable suggestions.
Thankyou.
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hello dear my friend
First of all happy Krshnastami
I am shasidhar and me my friends are discussed about your problem.
it is a common problem for all visually challenged students. but
it is not problem for us we are writing our exams on laptops in
netracollege on Osmania Univercity.
now we are studying b.com computers second year.
we can suggest you please don't feel discourageing
if you have interested in this cource take it as challenge complete
your cource successfully.
Ican suggest you that please ask your university people or officials
about writing your exams on computers.
I wish your success
Waighting for your reply to b.shasidharb...@gmail.com
if you want any suggestions writing exams on computers or do you
want to know how we write our exams on laptops.
please reply me
you know one thing wherever you go you will find difficulties. so
take difficulties as challenges and make it successess
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Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
hi, if this is the problem then i am having one suggestion. my many friends have studied and some are studying with the help of computer . in their school/universities they fought and get a right to take laptop in school/universities during examination or on daily basis also. now they give examinations on their laptops under the supervision of any computer teacher of school/universities . they have fought such that their schools ,universities and also goverment has to give them permission to use laptops in examinations . so i think that we should fight and bring this thing as an official law . i am a school student and facing the same problem. e-specially in maths . the writer/scribe sometimes doesn't understands what i mean to say and then he/she writes wrong thing and i lose marks although i know that answer and i am lade back in my rank in whole school just because of some mistakes of scribes. - Original Message - From: Dr. Vipin K. Malhotra vipin.malho...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [AI] problem in examinations: You could always reproduce the answer sheets in your support. How bad your scribe has written for you. New Delhi: Examination answer sheets must be made public under the Right to Information (RTI) Act, the Supreme Court has ruled. This will be applicable to all examinations by public agencies in India, said lawyer Divya Jyoti Jaipuriar, who argued on behalf of two non-governmental organizations after a student who filed the case lost interest in sustaining the litigation. On Tuesday, a bench comprising justices R.V. Raveendran and A.K. Patnaik dismissed petitions filed by various public examination agencies while upholding a 2009 judgement of the Calcutta high court. The move will help make the education system more transparent and administrators more accountable, said Sobha Mishra, head of education at industry lobby Ficci. If someone sat for an exam, he should not be denied the right to see his answer paper once the result is out. No institute or exam-conducting body should ever resist such disclosure, she said. In 2007, Pritam Rooz, a student of University of Calcutta, filed an RTI application seeking the disclosure of his answer sheet. His request was denied due to university policy. He then approached the high court, where a single judge and a two-judge bench ruled that the university should release the answer sheets. The Central Board of Secondary Education, the West Bengal Board of Secondary Education, the West Bengal Council of Higher Secondary Education, the University of Calcutta, the Institute of Chartered Accountants of India, the West Bengal School Service Commission and the Assam Public Service Commission appealed against the high court's ruling in the apex court. Rooz, however, did not pursue the case in the Supreme Court. Mazdoor Kisan Shakti Sangathan, a society that had campaigned for transparency in the form of the RTI law, and Joint Operation for Social Help, a student help group, took on the case. Subsequently, other institutions that conduct tests also joined the case and opposed the disclosure of corrected answer sheets. They argued that evaluated answer sheets are not covered under information as defined in the RTI Act, and that releasing these papers will lead to a collapse of the system. The court noted that several universities that disclose corrected answer sheets on request haven't faced such a collapse. It also said it is the duty of public authorities to allow maximum disclosure as envisaged by the RTI Act nikhi...@livemint.com Post Comments Tags - Find More Articles On: - Original Message - From: Amit Bhatt misterbh...@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [AI] problem in examinations: Hello Vidhya, We understand your problems and the pain you are suffering with. Akhilesh, we should also include such example before producing the representation. Our Examination system has lot of errors and unnecessary barriers I believe. The fight has been begun and let us move forward step by step. Regards, Amit Bhatt - Original Message - From: vidhya y vidhya@gmail.com To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:07 PM Subject: [AI] problem in examinations: Dear sir/madam, previously I had introduced myself that I am studying Bca first sem in Christ University Bangalore. I have 8 subjects, out of which 2 are practical subjects. At first everything went on good but now I am not able to get good result for my efforts. In Christ university Rules prescribed by the UGC are being followed, the rules state that the scribe must be one grade lower than the student and if seniors they should be from a totaly different stream. 1: I have
Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
Hi viddya,
This is the rule of UGC that every university shall allow to VI
student to appear for the exams through computer.
I wrote my entire LL.b exams through computer.
I'll try to locate the circular and post it to you if required. I
think you should consontrate on your typing speed and skills rather
than training the scribe .
Thanks,
Akhilesh.
On 8/16/11, Asudani, Rajesh rajeshasud...@rbi.org.in wrote:
Well, practically, apart from considering computer use which is permitted by
UGC, Vidhya, I believe you can take a junior student but from computer
science, and practice with her/him for a while before exam and explain any
special symbols to be used during exam.
If from computer science, the student can understand the symbols if properly
explained prior to the exam.
The example of %D which you gave, can happen with anybody but for that extra
caution and wave length matching are the only remedies.
I did this while studying logic and explained what to do when I say Horse
show, or Triple bar, which are of course special logical symbols for
various operators...
I hope they are not thrusting their own writer on you.
If not, then above approach should be feasible.
Otherwise, I think, UGC rules as you have mentioned them, are fair enough.
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Amar Jain
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:03 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
I agree with Harish sir and Vetri.
Courts and all can be used for laying down the guidelines or rather for
implementation of anything, but here guidelines and things like that is not
a major issue. We need to find the practical way in which we can deal with
this problem. And again going through that root of court etc is a
time-consuming job.
-Original Message-
From: Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:30 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
That may be true, but what she is looking for at the moment is a
practical solution like the one provided by Harish. Perhaps solutions
like whom should she approach, whether she has any other options like
approaching court etc. I am not good at any of those suggestions and I
am sure that the list has enough of experts with experience who can
assist her in this matter.
Vetri.
On 12/08/2011, Amit Bhatt misterbh...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Vidhya,
We understand your problems and the pain you are suffering with.
Akhilesh, we should also include such example before producing the
representation.
Our Examination system has lot of errors and unnecessary barriers I
believe.
The fight has been begun and let us move forward step by step.
Regards,
Amit Bhatt
- Original Message -
From: vidhya y vidhya@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:07 PM
Subject: [AI] problem in examinations:
Dear sir/madam,
previously I had introduced myself that I am studying Bca first sem
in Christ University Bangalore.
I have 8 subjects, out of which 2 are practical subjects.
At first everything went on good but now I am not able to get good
result for my efforts.
In Christ university Rules prescribed by the UGC are being followed,
the rules state that the scribe must be one grade lower than the
student and if seniors they should be from a totaly different
stream.
1: I have Mathematics which is advanced and cannot be dictated to
any of the juniors, and its difficult to train a junior as they also
have to concentrate on their studies.
2: Digital computer fundamentals is fully based on circuits and
calculations which cannot even be dictated to a junior computer
science student.
3: electronics is full of diagrams and circuits which is tricky and
needs a lot of hard work.
4: C programming this subject is quite simple but it becomes complex
when dictated to a non computer science student:
I have just finished the midsem exam, when i was dictating symbols
in C like \,{,},||,,# etc my scribe was not able to understand.
generally in english we write sentences by giving space between every
word, but in c every space makes a difference.
while declaring variables space is not permited, but in printf and
scanf statements its permited but how would I know what my scribe
must have understood when I told any statement?
when I told my scribe to write %d in symbols she had written
percent D in words but how do I know that?
5. only English and Statistics can be easily conveyed to my scribe.
when I tryed to explain to the examination office in the college,
They are very strict about rules of UGC.
every day I study till 11.30 pm and work so hard, but what is the use
when I am not permited to write what ever I know?
When I try to explain people about that, I always
Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
Well, practically, apart from considering computer use which is permitted by
UGC, Vidhya, I believe you can take a junior student but from computer science,
and practice with her/him for a while before exam and explain any special
symbols to be used during exam.
If from computer science, the student can understand the symbols if properly
explained prior to the exam.
The example of %D which you gave, can happen with anybody but for that extra
caution and wave length matching are the only remedies.
I did this while studying logic and explained what to do when I say Horse
show, or Triple bar, which are of course special logical symbols for various
operators...
I hope they are not thrusting their own writer on you.
If not, then above approach should be feasible.
Otherwise, I think, UGC rules as you have mentioned them, are fair enough.
-Original Message-
From: accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in
[mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Amar Jain
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:03 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
I agree with Harish sir and Vetri.
Courts and all can be used for laying down the guidelines or rather for
implementation of anything, but here guidelines and things like that is not
a major issue. We need to find the practical way in which we can deal with
this problem. And again going through that root of court etc is a
time-consuming job.
-Original Message-
From: Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:30 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
That may be true, but what she is looking for at the moment is a
practical solution like the one provided by Harish. Perhaps solutions
like whom should she approach, whether she has any other options like
approaching court etc. I am not good at any of those suggestions and I
am sure that the list has enough of experts with experience who can
assist her in this matter.
Vetri.
On 12/08/2011, Amit Bhatt misterbh...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Vidhya,
We understand your problems and the pain you are suffering with.
Akhilesh, we should also include such example before producing the
representation.
Our Examination system has lot of errors and unnecessary barriers I
believe.
The fight has been begun and let us move forward step by step.
Regards,
Amit Bhatt
- Original Message -
From: vidhya y vidhya@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:07 PM
Subject: [AI] problem in examinations:
Dear sir/madam,
previously I had introduced myself that I am studying Bca first sem
in Christ University Bangalore.
I have 8 subjects, out of which 2 are practical subjects.
At first everything went on good but now I am not able to get good
result for my efforts.
In Christ university Rules prescribed by the UGC are being followed,
the rules state that the scribe must be one grade lower than the
student and if seniors they should be from a totaly different
stream.
1: I have Mathematics which is advanced and cannot be dictated to
any of the juniors, and its difficult to train a junior as they also
have to concentrate on their studies.
2: Digital computer fundamentals is fully based on circuits and
calculations which cannot even be dictated to a junior computer
science student.
3: electronics is full of diagrams and circuits which is tricky and
needs a lot of hard work.
4: C programming this subject is quite simple but it becomes complex
when dictated to a non computer science student:
I have just finished the midsem exam, when i was dictating symbols
in C like \,{,},||,,# etc my scribe was not able to understand.
generally in english we write sentences by giving space between every
word, but in c every space makes a difference.
while declaring variables space is not permited, but in printf and
scanf statements its permited but how would I know what my scribe
must have understood when I told any statement?
when I told my scribe to write %d in symbols she had written
percent D in words but how do I know that?
5. only English and Statistics can be easily conveyed to my scribe.
when I tryed to explain to the examination office in the college,
They are very strict about rules of UGC.
every day I study till 11.30 pm and work so hard, but what is the use
when I am not permited to write what ever I know?
When I try to explain people about that, I always receive the same
answer:
science is difficult you should have taken other cources!?
why do you worry when you are able to get more than 85% marks in most
of the suhbjects inspite of the difficulties why do you want more in
all subjects?
but my question is Why shouldn't I want more when i have studied
everything?
this is really discouraging and I felt to change the course!
the rules cannot be made general for all subjects
in my 12th I
[AI] problem in examinations:
Dear sir/madam,
previously I had introduced myself that I am studying Bca first sem
in Christ University Bangalore.
I have 8 subjects, out of which 2 are practical subjects.
At first everything went on good but now I am not able to get good
result for my efforts.
In Christ university Rules prescribed by the UGC are being followed,
the rules state that the scribe must be one grade lower than the
student and if seniors they should be from a totaly different
stream.
1: I have Mathematics which is advanced and cannot be dictated to
any of the juniors, and its difficult to train a junior as they also
have to concentrate on their studies.
2: Digital computer fundamentals is fully based on circuits and
calculations which cannot even be dictated to a junior computer
science student.
3: electronics is full of diagrams and circuits which is tricky and
needs a lot of hard work.
4: C programming this subject is quite simple but it becomes complex
when dictated to a non computer science student:
I have just finished the midsem exam, when i was dictating symbols
in C like \,{,},||,,# etc my scribe was not able to understand.
generally in english we write sentences by giving space between every
word, but in c every space makes a difference.
while declaring variables space is not permited, but in printf and
scanf statements its permited but how would I know what my scribe
must have understood when I told any statement?
when I told my scribe to write %d in symbols she had written
percent D in words but how do I know that?
5. only English and Statistics can be easily conveyed to my scribe.
when I tryed to explain to the examination office in the college,
They are very strict about rules of UGC.
every day I study till 11.30 pm and work so hard, but what is the use
when I am not permited to write what ever I know?
When I try to explain people about that, I always receive the same answer:
science is difficult you should have taken other cources!?
why do you worry when you are able to get more than 85% marks in most
of the suhbjects inspite of the difficulties why do you want more in
all subjects?
but my question is Why shouldn't I want more when i have studied everything?
this is really discouraging and I felt to change the course!
the rules cannot be made general for all subjects
in my 12th I had taken commerce I had no probblem if any science
stream student wrote exam for me because Accounts could be easily
explained if I had practiced a little.
Does it mean that Science is not for Vi students?
Why should I loose marks where I actualy should not loose?
Can any one give me a selution for this?
If people doubt that seniors who know the subject can write all the
answers and we get more marks, why dont they think if juniors write
the exam They wont even be able to read the question paper and we
unnecessarily loose marks?
waiting for any valuable suggestions.
Thankyou.
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Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
Dear Vidya
Writing exams using computer is an option you can consider and persue.
Harish Kotian.
- Original Message -
From: vidhya y vidhya@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:07 PM
Subject: [AI] problem in examinations:
Dear sir/madam,
previously I had introduced myself that I am studying Bca first sem
in Christ University Bangalore.
I have 8 subjects, out of which 2 are practical subjects.
At first everything went on good but now I am not able to get good
result for my efforts.
In Christ university Rules prescribed by the UGC are being followed,
the rules state that the scribe must be one grade lower than the
student and if seniors they should be from a totaly different
stream.
1: I have Mathematics which is advanced and cannot be dictated to
any of the juniors, and its difficult to train a junior as they also
have to concentrate on their studies.
2: Digital computer fundamentals is fully based on circuits and
calculations which cannot even be dictated to a junior computer
science student.
3: electronics is full of diagrams and circuits which is tricky and
needs a lot of hard work.
4: C programming this subject is quite simple but it becomes complex
when dictated to a non computer science student:
I have just finished the midsem exam, when i was dictating symbols
in C like \,{,},||,,# etc my scribe was not able to understand.
generally in english we write sentences by giving space between every
word, but in c every space makes a difference.
while declaring variables space is not permited, but in printf and
scanf statements its permited but how would I know what my scribe
must have understood when I told any statement?
when I told my scribe to write %d in symbols she had written
percent D in words but how do I know that?
5. only English and Statistics can be easily conveyed to my scribe.
when I tryed to explain to the examination office in the college,
They are very strict about rules of UGC.
every day I study till 11.30 pm and work so hard, but what is the use
when I am not permited to write what ever I know?
When I try to explain people about that, I always receive the same
answer:
science is difficult you should have taken other cources!?
why do you worry when you are able to get more than 85% marks in most
of the suhbjects inspite of the difficulties why do you want more in
all subjects?
but my question is Why shouldn't I want more when i have studied
everything?
this is really discouraging and I felt to change the course!
the rules cannot be made general for all subjects
in my 12th I had taken commerce I had no probblem if any science
stream student wrote exam for me because Accounts could be easily
explained if I had practiced a little.
Does it mean that Science is not for Vi students?
Why should I loose marks where I actualy should not loose?
Can any one give me a selution for this?
If people doubt that seniors who know the subject can write all the
answers and we get more marks, why dont they think if juniors write
the exam They wont even be able to read the question paper and we
unnecessarily loose marks?
waiting for any valuable suggestions.
Thankyou.
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Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
Hello Vidhya,
We understand your problems and the pain you are suffering with.
Akhilesh, we should also include such example before producing the
representation.
Our Examination system has lot of errors and unnecessary barriers I believe.
The fight has been begun and let us move forward step by step.
Regards,
Amit Bhatt
- Original Message -
From: vidhya y vidhya@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:07 PM
Subject: [AI] problem in examinations:
Dear sir/madam,
previously I had introduced myself that I am studying Bca first sem
in Christ University Bangalore.
I have 8 subjects, out of which 2 are practical subjects.
At first everything went on good but now I am not able to get good
result for my efforts.
In Christ university Rules prescribed by the UGC are being followed,
the rules state that the scribe must be one grade lower than the
student and if seniors they should be from a totaly different
stream.
1: I have Mathematics which is advanced and cannot be dictated to
any of the juniors, and its difficult to train a junior as they also
have to concentrate on their studies.
2: Digital computer fundamentals is fully based on circuits and
calculations which cannot even be dictated to a junior computer
science student.
3: electronics is full of diagrams and circuits which is tricky and
needs a lot of hard work.
4: C programming this subject is quite simple but it becomes complex
when dictated to a non computer science student:
I have just finished the midsem exam, when i was dictating symbols
in C like \,{,},||,,# etc my scribe was not able to understand.
generally in english we write sentences by giving space between every
word, but in c every space makes a difference.
while declaring variables space is not permited, but in printf and
scanf statements its permited but how would I know what my scribe
must have understood when I told any statement?
when I told my scribe to write %d in symbols she had written
percent D in words but how do I know that?
5. only English and Statistics can be easily conveyed to my scribe.
when I tryed to explain to the examination office in the college,
They are very strict about rules of UGC.
every day I study till 11.30 pm and work so hard, but what is the use
when I am not permited to write what ever I know?
When I try to explain people about that, I always receive the same
answer:
science is difficult you should have taken other cources!?
why do you worry when you are able to get more than 85% marks in most
of the suhbjects inspite of the difficulties why do you want more in
all subjects?
but my question is Why shouldn't I want more when i have studied
everything?
this is really discouraging and I felt to change the course!
the rules cannot be made general for all subjects
in my 12th I had taken commerce I had no probblem if any science
stream student wrote exam for me because Accounts could be easily
explained if I had practiced a little.
Does it mean that Science is not for Vi students?
Why should I loose marks where I actualy should not loose?
Can any one give me a selution for this?
If people doubt that seniors who know the subject can write all the
answers and we get more marks, why dont they think if juniors write
the exam They wont even be able to read the question paper and we
unnecessarily loose marks?
waiting for any valuable suggestions.
Thankyou.
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Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
That may be true, but what she is looking for at the moment is a
practical solution like the one provided by Harish. Perhaps solutions
like whom should she approach, whether she has any other options like
approaching court etc. I am not good at any of those suggestions and I
am sure that the list has enough of experts with experience who can
assist her in this matter.
Vetri.
On 12/08/2011, Amit Bhatt misterbh...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Vidhya,
We understand your problems and the pain you are suffering with.
Akhilesh, we should also include such example before producing the
representation.
Our Examination system has lot of errors and unnecessary barriers I believe.
The fight has been begun and let us move forward step by step.
Regards,
Amit Bhatt
- Original Message -
From: vidhya y vidhya@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:07 PM
Subject: [AI] problem in examinations:
Dear sir/madam,
previously I had introduced myself that I am studying Bca first sem
in Christ University Bangalore.
I have 8 subjects, out of which 2 are practical subjects.
At first everything went on good but now I am not able to get good
result for my efforts.
In Christ university Rules prescribed by the UGC are being followed,
the rules state that the scribe must be one grade lower than the
student and if seniors they should be from a totaly different
stream.
1: I have Mathematics which is advanced and cannot be dictated to
any of the juniors, and its difficult to train a junior as they also
have to concentrate on their studies.
2: Digital computer fundamentals is fully based on circuits and
calculations which cannot even be dictated to a junior computer
science student.
3: electronics is full of diagrams and circuits which is tricky and
needs a lot of hard work.
4: C programming this subject is quite simple but it becomes complex
when dictated to a non computer science student:
I have just finished the midsem exam, when i was dictating symbols
in C like \,{,},||,,# etc my scribe was not able to understand.
generally in english we write sentences by giving space between every
word, but in c every space makes a difference.
while declaring variables space is not permited, but in printf and
scanf statements its permited but how would I know what my scribe
must have understood when I told any statement?
when I told my scribe to write %d in symbols she had written
percent D in words but how do I know that?
5. only English and Statistics can be easily conveyed to my scribe.
when I tryed to explain to the examination office in the college,
They are very strict about rules of UGC.
every day I study till 11.30 pm and work so hard, but what is the use
when I am not permited to write what ever I know?
When I try to explain people about that, I always receive the same
answer:
science is difficult you should have taken other cources!?
why do you worry when you are able to get more than 85% marks in most
of the suhbjects inspite of the difficulties why do you want more in
all subjects?
but my question is Why shouldn't I want more when i have studied
everything?
this is really discouraging and I felt to change the course!
the rules cannot be made general for all subjects
in my 12th I had taken commerce I had no probblem if any science
stream student wrote exam for me because Accounts could be easily
explained if I had practiced a little.
Does it mean that Science is not for Vi students?
Why should I loose marks where I actualy should not loose?
Can any one give me a selution for this?
If people doubt that seniors who know the subject can write all the
answers and we get more marks, why dont they think if juniors write
the exam They wont even be able to read the question paper and we
unnecessarily loose marks?
waiting for any valuable suggestions.
Thankyou.
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Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
Hi Vidya
Can you not consider using computer in your examination?
I have been using computer from last 2 years or so, and I am sattisfied with
its use. The great advantage of using computer is that one knows what he is
writing. Further if you have good speed, then you can finish your paper in
lessor time thus it gives you more scope to revise the answers.
As far as your C questions are concerned, I am sure they can be well dealt
using computer, and in the case of diagrams you always need to write the
description of the diagram as we are exempted from making the picture. At
least that is what the general scenario is. Even maths should be manageable.
Good that your university at least works as per UGC rules and they pay
attention to it. UGC's circular allows us to use computer during
examination, of which you can take help here.
If you need any assistance on that part, then feel free to write me on or
off the list.
Regards
-Original Message-
From: vidhya y
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:07 PM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: [AI] problem in examinations:
Dear sir/madam,
previously I had introduced myself that I am studying Bca first sem
in Christ University Bangalore.
I have 8 subjects, out of which 2 are practical subjects.
At first everything went on good but now I am not able to get good
result for my efforts.
In Christ university Rules prescribed by the UGC are being followed,
the rules state that the scribe must be one grade lower than the
student and if seniors they should be from a totaly different
stream.
1: I have Mathematics which is advanced and cannot be dictated to
any of the juniors, and its difficult to train a junior as they also
have to concentrate on their studies.
2: Digital computer fundamentals is fully based on circuits and
calculations which cannot even be dictated to a junior computer
science student.
3: electronics is full of diagrams and circuits which is tricky and
needs a lot of hard work.
4: C programming this subject is quite simple but it becomes complex
when dictated to a non computer science student:
I have just finished the midsem exam, when i was dictating symbols
in C like \,{,},||,,# etc my scribe was not able to understand.
generally in english we write sentences by giving space between every
word, but in c every space makes a difference.
while declaring variables space is not permited, but in printf and
scanf statements its permited but how would I know what my scribe
must have understood when I told any statement?
when I told my scribe to write %d in symbols she had written
percent D in words but how do I know that?
5. only English and Statistics can be easily conveyed to my scribe.
when I tryed to explain to the examination office in the college,
They are very strict about rules of UGC.
every day I study till 11.30 pm and work so hard, but what is the use
when I am not permited to write what ever I know?
When I try to explain people about that, I always receive the same answer:
science is difficult you should have taken other cources!?
why do you worry when you are able to get more than 85% marks in most
of the suhbjects inspite of the difficulties why do you want more in
all subjects?
but my question is Why shouldn't I want more when i have studied
everything?
this is really discouraging and I felt to change the course!
the rules cannot be made general for all subjects
in my 12th I had taken commerce I had no probblem if any science
stream student wrote exam for me because Accounts could be easily
explained if I had practiced a little.
Does it mean that Science is not for Vi students?
Why should I loose marks where I actualy should not loose?
Can any one give me a selution for this?
If people doubt that seniors who know the subject can write all the
answers and we get more marks, why dont they think if juniors write
the exam They wont even be able to read the question paper and we
unnecessarily loose marks?
waiting for any valuable suggestions.
Thankyou.
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Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
I agree with Harish sir and Vetri.
Courts and all can be used for laying down the guidelines or rather for
implementation of anything, but here guidelines and things like that is not
a major issue. We need to find the practical way in which we can deal with
this problem. And again going through that root of court etc is a
time-consuming job.
-Original Message-
From: Adhimoolam Vetrivel Murugan
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:30 AM
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
That may be true, but what she is looking for at the moment is a
practical solution like the one provided by Harish. Perhaps solutions
like whom should she approach, whether she has any other options like
approaching court etc. I am not good at any of those suggestions and I
am sure that the list has enough of experts with experience who can
assist her in this matter.
Vetri.
On 12/08/2011, Amit Bhatt misterbh...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Vidhya,
We understand your problems and the pain you are suffering with.
Akhilesh, we should also include such example before producing the
representation.
Our Examination system has lot of errors and unnecessary barriers I
believe.
The fight has been begun and let us move forward step by step.
Regards,
Amit Bhatt
- Original Message -
From: vidhya y vidhya@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:07 PM
Subject: [AI] problem in examinations:
Dear sir/madam,
previously I had introduced myself that I am studying Bca first sem
in Christ University Bangalore.
I have 8 subjects, out of which 2 are practical subjects.
At first everything went on good but now I am not able to get good
result for my efforts.
In Christ university Rules prescribed by the UGC are being followed,
the rules state that the scribe must be one grade lower than the
student and if seniors they should be from a totaly different
stream.
1: I have Mathematics which is advanced and cannot be dictated to
any of the juniors, and its difficult to train a junior as they also
have to concentrate on their studies.
2: Digital computer fundamentals is fully based on circuits and
calculations which cannot even be dictated to a junior computer
science student.
3: electronics is full of diagrams and circuits which is tricky and
needs a lot of hard work.
4: C programming this subject is quite simple but it becomes complex
when dictated to a non computer science student:
I have just finished the midsem exam, when i was dictating symbols
in C like \,{,},||,,# etc my scribe was not able to understand.
generally in english we write sentences by giving space between every
word, but in c every space makes a difference.
while declaring variables space is not permited, but in printf and
scanf statements its permited but how would I know what my scribe
must have understood when I told any statement?
when I told my scribe to write %d in symbols she had written
percent D in words but how do I know that?
5. only English and Statistics can be easily conveyed to my scribe.
when I tryed to explain to the examination office in the college,
They are very strict about rules of UGC.
every day I study till 11.30 pm and work so hard, but what is the use
when I am not permited to write what ever I know?
When I try to explain people about that, I always receive the same
answer:
science is difficult you should have taken other cources!?
why do you worry when you are able to get more than 85% marks in most
of the suhbjects inspite of the difficulties why do you want more in
all subjects?
but my question is Why shouldn't I want more when i have studied
everything?
this is really discouraging and I felt to change the course!
the rules cannot be made general for all subjects
in my 12th I had taken commerce I had no probblem if any science
stream student wrote exam for me because Accounts could be easily
explained if I had practiced a little.
Does it mean that Science is not for Vi students?
Why should I loose marks where I actualy should not loose?
Can any one give me a selution for this?
If people doubt that seniors who know the subject can write all the
answers and we get more marks, why dont they think if juniors write
the exam They wont even be able to read the question paper and we
unnecessarily loose marks?
waiting for any valuable suggestions.
Thankyou.
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Re: [AI] problem in examinations:
Hai Friends,
I understand Ms Vidhya’s plight as I myself have faced such
difficulties. I’m afraid whether this would help her but can be of
some use for other students. Actually, Loyola College seeks the help
of NGO’s and other volunteers, mostly government employees or educated
housewife, for their mid-semester and end-semester exams. Sometimes,
they would be from the same stream; but it had never made any
difference, because one cannot expect them to remember their subject
which they might have studied decades ago. So there is no question of
doubting the VI students. Usually these volunteers are very good at
reading and writing. This can be an option for the local institutions,
schools and colleges, Instead of letting UGC decide. UGC can afford to
monitor National level exams; it cannot follow-up the local exams.
People who sit in air-conditioned rooms and regulate ruthless norms
will seldom understand the ground-level problems.
My personal experiences in writing exams with the scribers are mostly
discouraging. Heres another example, that was during my plus 2/bord
examination. The scribe, provided for me, had problems in hearing. The
person’s hearing was not completely affected, so the person was able
to hear most words correctly and most was guesses. The authorities
first tried to help me out. But the next day, they turned the blaming
finger towards me and said I haven’t prepared well for the exam so I
conjured this funny idea to disrupt the exam. Then I was forced to
accept to write with the same person throughout the exam. Later, I
came to know that the scribe had met with an accident where the
person’s hearing got affected and, the most unfortunate thing, the
person had lost her daughter in the same accident. Of course, seeking
the help of NGO’s is a good idea. We need disability resource centers
at schools, colleges and universities or any institute who can see to
the issues and leave us alone. We should not be wasting our valuable
time in searching for eligible scribes while we could spend our time
in preparing. As the eligibility criteria is itself at question in the
nation wide exams, students should be allowed to bring scribe of their
own.
Best
Syed
On 8/12/11, Amit Bhatt misterbh...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello Vidhya,
We understand your problems and the pain you are suffering with.
Akhilesh, we should also include such example before producing the
representation.
Our Examination system has lot of errors and unnecessary barriers I believe.
The fight has been begun and let us move forward step by step.
Regards,
Amit Bhatt
- Original Message -
From: vidhya y vidhya@gmail.com
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:07 PM
Subject: [AI] problem in examinations:
Dear sir/madam,
previously I had introduced myself that I am studying Bca first sem
in Christ University Bangalore.
I have 8 subjects, out of which 2 are practical subjects.
At first everything went on good but now I am not able to get good
result for my efforts.
In Christ university Rules prescribed by the UGC are being followed,
the rules state that the scribe must be one grade lower than the
student and if seniors they should be from a totaly different
stream.
1: I have Mathematics which is advanced and cannot be dictated to
any of the juniors, and its difficult to train a junior as they also
have to concentrate on their studies.
2: Digital computer fundamentals is fully based on circuits and
calculations which cannot even be dictated to a junior computer
science student.
3: electronics is full of diagrams and circuits which is tricky and
needs a lot of hard work.
4: C programming this subject is quite simple but it becomes complex
when dictated to a non computer science student:
I have just finished the midsem exam, when i was dictating symbols
in C like \,{,},||,,# etc my scribe was not able to understand.
generally in english we write sentences by giving space between every
word, but in c every space makes a difference.
while declaring variables space is not permited, but in printf and
scanf statements its permited but how would I know what my scribe
must have understood when I told any statement?
when I told my scribe to write %d in symbols she had written
percent D in words but how do I know that?
5. only English and Statistics can be easily conveyed to my scribe.
when I tryed to explain to the examination office in the college,
They are very strict about rules of UGC.
every day I study till 11.30 pm and work so hard, but what is the use
when I am not permited to write what ever I know?
When I try to explain people about that, I always receive the same
answer:
science is difficult you should have taken other cources!?
why do you worry when you are able to get more than 85% marks in most
of the suhbjects inspite of the difficulties why do you want more in
all subjects?
but my question is Why shouldn't I
