[AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents
hi all, here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of money or property . so what precautions should be taken while signing through thumb marks on important documents ? if the documents are in hard copy then it is obvious that we can't read that and we have to trust someone for it . so what to do in such situations ? i want the opinion of expirienced members . thanks, Maitreya Shah Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents
don't sign or put thumb impression On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: > hi all, > here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . > in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of > money or property . > so what precautions should be taken while signing through thumb marks > on important documents ? > if the documents are in hard copy then it is obvious that we can't > read that and we have to trust someone for it . > so what to do in such situations ? > i want the opinion of expirienced members . > > thanks, > Maitreya Shah > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > -- Akhilesh Dahiya, Advocate. Mobile: +91 9818798780 Email: akhil.akhi...@gmail.com New Delhi Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents
Sorry for last incomplete mail. You can ask them to sign the document in later date. keep it with you and read it with your sighted friends. for the double check, you may choose to make someone read the same document again for you. On 9/26/13, akhilesh wrote: > don't sign or put thumb impression > > On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: >> hi all, >> here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . >> in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of >> money or property . >> so what precautions should be taken while signing through thumb marks >> on important documents ? >> if the documents are in hard copy then it is obvious that we can't >> read that and we have to trust someone for it . >> so what to do in such situations ? >> i want the opinion of expirienced members . >> >> thanks, >> Maitreya Shah >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> > > > -- > Akhilesh Dahiya, > Advocate. > Mobile: +91 9818798780 > Email: akhil.akhi...@gmail.com > New Delhi > -- Akhilesh Dahiya, Advocate. Mobile: +91 9818798780 Email: akhil.akhi...@gmail.com New Delhi Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents
Dear Maitreya Thank you for putting this concern on public fora. Though I'm not very experienced, because it comes from age, they say. but I think, if visually challenged are denied many services and designations solely on ground of not able to sign, better There has to be classes across India to teach them how to sign. then all can practice and become habitual. I have recently learnt how to sign, you know. and now I practice fifteen minutes everyday. Now as far as your question is concerned, Unable to read the documents on which your thumb is required. Better ask them to send you a soft copy of document as well. But I can understand, when documents are in Hindi and in other regional languages, trust is the key. I also don't know how to deal with it. But if one has to deal only in english all the time. then such difficulties can be overcome.pretty easy keep scanner in your office, and appoint a person to do the needful for you. On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: > hi all, > here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . > in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of > money or property . > so what precautions should be taken while signing through thumb marks > on important documents ? > if the documents are in hard copy then it is obvious that we can't > read that and we have to trust someone for it . > so what to do in such situations ? > i want the opinion of expirienced members . > > thanks, > Maitreya Shah > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents
what about those blind people who don't have computers, don't know computers and not enough money to buy it? will the soft copy help them. -Original Message- From: avinash shahi Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:52 AM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents Dear Maitreya Thank you for putting this concern on public fora. Though I'm not very experienced, because it comes from age, they say. but I think, if visually challenged are denied many services and designations solely on ground of not able to sign, better There has to be classes across India to teach them how to sign. then all can practice and become habitual. I have recently learnt how to sign, you know. and now I practice fifteen minutes everyday. Now as far as your question is concerned, Unable to read the documents on which your thumb is required. Better ask them to send you a soft copy of document as well. But I can understand, when documents are in Hindi and in other regional languages, trust is the key. I also don't know how to deal with it. But if one has to deal only in english all the time. then such difficulties can be overcome.pretty easy keep scanner in your office, and appoint a person to do the needful for you. On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: hi all, here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of money or property . so what precautions should be taken while signing through thumb marks on important documents ? if the documents are in hard copy then it is obvious that we can't read that and we have to trust someone for it . so what to do in such situations ? i want the opinion of expirienced members . thanks, Maitreya Shah Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. -- Avinash Shahi M.Phil Research Scholar Centre for The Study of Law and Governance Jawaharlal Nehru University New Delhi India Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents
This is the exact reason We have been advocating and fighting for the right to laptops and desktops for all blind students across universities in India. JNU, DU, HCU, and EFLOU have done this; rest have to brought on board... And each member on Access India has his-her responsibility to work for this vision in his/her capacity. On 9/26/13, bhawani shankar verma wrote: > what about those blind people who don't have computers, don't know computers > > and not enough money to buy it? will the soft copy help them. > > -Original Message- > From: avinash shahi > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:52 AM > To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerningthe disabled. > Subject: Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents > > Dear Maitreya > Thank you for putting this concern on public fora. > Though I'm not very experienced, because it comes from age, they say. > but I think, if visually challenged are denied many services and > designations solely on ground of not able to sign, better There has to > be classes across India to teach them how to sign. then all can > practice and become habitual. > I have recently learnt how to sign, you know. and now I practice > fifteen minutes everyday. > Now as far as your question is concerned, Unable to read the documents > on which your thumb is required. Better ask them to send you a soft > copy of document as well. But I can understand, when documents are in > Hindi and in other regional languages, trust is the key. I also don't > know how to deal with it. > But if one has to deal only in english all the time. then such > difficulties can be overcome.pretty easy keep scanner in your office, > and appoint a person to do the needful for you. > On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: >> hi all, >> here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . >> in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of >> money or property . >> so what precautions should be taken while signing through thumb marks >> on important documents ? >> if the documents are in hard copy then it is obvious that we can't >> read that and we have to trust someone for it . >> so what to do in such situations ? >> i want the opinion of expirienced members . >> >> thanks, >> Maitreya Shah >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >> of >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please >> visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the >> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >> mails >> sent through this mailing list.. >> > > > -- > Avinash Shahi > M.Phil Research Scholar > Centre for The Study of Law and Governance > Jawaharlal Nehru University > New Delhi India > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail
Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents
Though I am not against lap tops or technology, I do not think the problem of the documents having been read to us or known to us correctly before these documents are signed or thumbed by us, can be resolved by distribution of lap tops. I work in a Government school. I have to sign numerous diaries on daily basis. As a policy of the Education Directorate, the class monitors have a diary, wherein, every teacher who takes a period, has to mention in the diary as to what topic he/she dealt with on that particular day and has to put his/her signature against it. Now, I dictate to the monitor, whatever I taught on that day. I am not sure that the student has written it correctly or not as these students sometimes, are very weak and cannot write aeven a simple Hindi word. But I believe that the student has written according to my instruction, and I sign the diary. Daily, I am assigned more than five periods. So I sign at least five diaries. Do you think I am going to scan each and every diary before signing the same? Every order, that is circulated by my H O S, is hand written. The student who brings it to me, cannot read english fluently. So I just sign the orderbook even without bothering what it is. There are problems which need a deep consideration. I have purchased and sold my residence more than three times. Every time, I had to put my signatures at least fifty times. I had to depend upon the lawyer who sollicitted on my behalf and the property dealer who represented my case. Not only the visually impaired, many other people also have to go through this cumbersome ordeal. and believe me, they also do not bother to know as to what is written in the document. - Original Message - From: "avinash shahi" To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled." Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents This is the exact reason We have been advocating and fighting for the right to laptops and desktops for all blind students across universities in India. JNU, DU, HCU, and EFLOU have done this; rest have to brought on board... And each member on Access India has his-her responsibility to work for this vision in his/her capacity. On 9/26/13, bhawani shankar verma wrote: what about those blind people who don't have computers, don't know computers and not enough money to buy it? will the soft copy help them. -Original Message- From: avinash shahi Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:52 AM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled. Subject: Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents Dear Maitreya Thank you for putting this concern on public fora. Though I'm not very experienced, because it comes from age, they say. but I think, if visually challenged are denied many services and designations solely on ground of not able to sign, better There has to be classes across India to teach them how to sign. then all can practice and become habitual. I have recently learnt how to sign, you know. and now I practice fifteen minutes everyday. Now as far as your question is concerned, Unable to read the documents on which your thumb is required. Better ask them to send you a soft copy of document as well. But I can understand, when documents are in Hindi and in other regional languages, trust is the key. I also don't know how to deal with it. But if one has to deal only in english all the time. then such difficulties can be overcome.pretty easy keep scanner in your office, and appoint a person to do the needful for you. On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: hi all, here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of money or property . so what precautions should be taken while signing through thumb marks on important documents ? if the documents are in hard copy then it is obvious that we can't read that and we have to trust someone for it . so what to do in such situations ? i want the opinion of expirienced members . thanks, Maitreya Shah Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held lia
Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents
it is not easy to scann and read each document. The issue of Unified signature also must be discussed. Being totally blind it is tough to sign the same way each time. I couldn’t open demate account in my name just because my signature differed. I tried signature guide and other known products but they don’t work in my case. On 9/26/13, Vedprakash wrote: > Though I am not against lap tops or technology, I do not think the problem > of the documents having been read to us or known to us correctly before > these documents are signed or thumbed by us, can be resolved by distribution > > of lap tops. > I work in a Government school. > I have to sign numerous diaries on daily basis. > As a policy of the Education Directorate, the class monitors have a diary, > wherein, every teacher who takes a period, has to mention in the diary as to > > what topic he/she dealt with on that particular day and has to put his/her > signature against it. > Now, I dictate to the monitor, whatever I taught on that day. > I am not sure that the student has written it correctly or not as these > students sometimes, are very weak and cannot write aeven a simple Hindi > word. > But I believe that the student has written according to my instruction, and > > I sign the diary. > Daily, I am assigned more than five periods. So I sign at least five > diaries. > Do you think I am going to scan each and every diary before signing the > same? > Every order, that is circulated by my H O S, is hand written. > The student who brings it to me, cannot read english fluently. So I just > sign the orderbook even without bothering what it is. > There are problems which need a deep consideration. > I have purchased and sold my residence more than three times. > Every time, I had to put my signatures at least fifty times. > I had to depend upon the lawyer who sollicitted on my behalf and the > property dealer who represented my case. > Not only the visually impaired, many other people also have to go through > this cumbersome ordeal. and believe me, they also do not bother to know as > to what is written in the document. > - Original Message - > From: "avinash shahi" > To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerningthe disabled." > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:26 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents > > >> This is the exact reason We have been advocating and fighting for the >> right to laptops and desktops for all blind students across >> universities in India. >> JNU, DU, HCU, and EFLOU have done this; rest have to brought on board... >> And each member on Access India has his-her responsibility to work for >> this vision in his/her capacity. >> >> On 9/26/13, bhawani shankar verma wrote: >>> what about those blind people who don't have computers, don't know >>> computers >>> >>> and not enough money to buy it? will the soft copy help them. >>> >>> -----Original Message- >>> From: avinash shahi >>> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:52 AM >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerningthe disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents >>> >>> Dear Maitreya >>> Thank you for putting this concern on public fora. >>> Though I'm not very experienced, because it comes from age, they say. >>> but I think, if visually challenged are denied many services and >>> designations solely on ground of not able to sign, better There has to >>> be classes across India to teach them how to sign. then all can >>> practice and become habitual. >>> I have recently learnt how to sign, you know. and now I practice >>> fifteen minutes everyday. >>> Now as far as your question is concerned, Unable to read the documents >>> on which your thumb is required. Better ask them to send you a soft >>> copy of document as well. But I can understand, when documents are in >>> Hindi and in other regional languages, trust is the key. I also don't >>> know how to deal with it. >>> But if one has to deal only in english all the time. then such >>> difficulties can be overcome.pretty easy keep scanner in your office, >>> and appoint a person to do the needful for you. >>> On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: >>>> hi all, >>>> here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . >>>> in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of >>>> money
Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents
Difficulties can not be overcome forthwith. And all of us have to work in diverse work-culture and diverse peer groups. Hopefully paperless work ethics will find its way in offices soon. On 9/26/13, Vedprakash wrote: > Though I am not against lap tops or technology, I do not think the problem > of the documents having been read to us or known to us correctly before > these documents are signed or thumbed by us, can be resolved by distribution > > of lap tops. > I work in a Government school. > I have to sign numerous diaries on daily basis. > As a policy of the Education Directorate, the class monitors have a diary, > wherein, every teacher who takes a period, has to mention in the diary as to > > what topic he/she dealt with on that particular day and has to put his/her > signature against it. > Now, I dictate to the monitor, whatever I taught on that day. > I am not sure that the student has written it correctly or not as these > students sometimes, are very weak and cannot write aeven a simple Hindi > word. > But I believe that the student has written according to my instruction, and > > I sign the diary. > Daily, I am assigned more than five periods. So I sign at least five > diaries. > Do you think I am going to scan each and every diary before signing the > same? > Every order, that is circulated by my H O S, is hand written. > The student who brings it to me, cannot read english fluently. So I just > sign the orderbook even without bothering what it is. > There are problems which need a deep consideration. > I have purchased and sold my residence more than three times. > Every time, I had to put my signatures at least fifty times. > I had to depend upon the lawyer who sollicitted on my behalf and the > property dealer who represented my case. > Not only the visually impaired, many other people also have to go through > this cumbersome ordeal. and believe me, they also do not bother to know as > to what is written in the document. > - Original Message - > From: "avinash shahi" > To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerningthe disabled." > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:26 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents > > >> This is the exact reason We have been advocating and fighting for the >> right to laptops and desktops for all blind students across >> universities in India. >> JNU, DU, HCU, and EFLOU have done this; rest have to brought on board... >> And each member on Access India has his-her responsibility to work for >> this vision in his/her capacity. >> >> On 9/26/13, bhawani shankar verma wrote: >>> what about those blind people who don't have computers, don't know >>> computers >>> >>> and not enough money to buy it? will the soft copy help them. >>> >>> -----Original Message- >>> From: avinash shahi >>> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 11:52 AM >>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerningthe disabled. >>> Subject: Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents >>> >>> Dear Maitreya >>> Thank you for putting this concern on public fora. >>> Though I'm not very experienced, because it comes from age, they say. >>> but I think, if visually challenged are denied many services and >>> designations solely on ground of not able to sign, better There has to >>> be classes across India to teach them how to sign. then all can >>> practice and become habitual. >>> I have recently learnt how to sign, you know. and now I practice >>> fifteen minutes everyday. >>> Now as far as your question is concerned, Unable to read the documents >>> on which your thumb is required. Better ask them to send you a soft >>> copy of document as well. But I can understand, when documents are in >>> Hindi and in other regional languages, trust is the key. I also don't >>> know how to deal with it. >>> But if one has to deal only in english all the time. then such >>> difficulties can be overcome.pretty easy keep scanner in your office, >>> and appoint a person to do the needful for you. >>> On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: >>>> hi all, >>>> here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . >>>> in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of >>>> money or property . >>>> so what precautions should be taken while signing through thumb marks >>>> on important documents ? >>>>
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sorry, what is a signature guide?? where is it available?? some details please. and i think its only fair to get the person who brings the document to read it to u at least the relevant bits before u sign, if u dont have any1 else more trust worthy around. usually in matters of a serious nature, they do allow u to take it home and give it a day for u to go through it and sign. its very rarely at gun point where u have to sign immediately. so it shouldn't be so much of a problem. of course making a xerox coppy after u sign the document is also equally important for any future reference, or in case of any discrepancy between 2 parties. at leasst for property related issues, they always give u enough time to go through it at your own pace. On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: > hi all, > here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . > in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of > money or property . > so what precautions should be taken while signing through thumb marks > on important documents ? > if the documents are in hard copy then it is obvious that we can't > read that and we have to trust someone for it . > so what to do in such situations ? > i want the opinion of expirienced members . > > thanks, > Maitreya Shah > > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of > mobile phones / Tabs on: > http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > > To unsubscribe send a message to > accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in > with the subject unsubscribe. > > To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please > visit the list home page at > http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in > > > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
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In case of a property sail, you have no time. the signature is to be put in the presence of both parties and the magistrate. There is a limitted time alotted to the clients. The courts are so crowded these days. - Original Message - From: "Shireen Irani" To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled." Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents sorry, what is a signature guide?? where is it available?? some details please. and i think its only fair to get the person who brings the document to read it to u at least the relevant bits before u sign, if u dont have any1 else more trust worthy around. usually in matters of a serious nature, they do allow u to take it home and give it a day for u to go through it and sign. its very rarely at gun point where u have to sign immediately. so it shouldn't be so much of a problem. of course making a xerox coppy after u sign the document is also equally important for any future reference, or in case of any discrepancy between 2 parties. at leasst for property related issues, they always give u enough time to go through it at your own pace. On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: hi all, here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of money or property . so what precautions should be taken while signing through thumb marks on important documents ? if the documents are in hard copy then it is obvious that we can't read that and we have to trust someone for it . so what to do in such situations ? i want the opinion of expirienced members . thanks, Maitreya Shah Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of mobile phones / Tabs on: http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ To unsubscribe send a message to accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in with the subject unsubscribe. To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, please visit the list home page at http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list..
Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents
In case of a property sail, you have no time. the signature is to be put in the presence of both parties and the magistrate. There is a limitted time alotted to the clients. No no. That is very reckless aproach to force the client to sign the property documents in a hurry. you can take the time to read and sign the agreement to sell and later the sale deed both. it is a very complex document, can and should not be signed just to save some time. if you're a vendee, you can even force the vender to send the documents in e format. future litigation should be avoided at any cost at least in the issues of property. On 9/26/13, Vedprakash wrote: > In case of a property sail, you have no time. the signature is to be put in > > the presence of both parties and the magistrate. > There is a limitted time alotted to the clients. > The courts are so crowded these days. > - Original Message - > From: "Shireen Irani" > To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues > concerningthe disabled." > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents > > >> sorry, what is a signature guide?? where is it available?? some details >> please. >> and i think its only fair to get the person who brings the document to >> read it to u at least the relevant bits before u sign, if u dont have >> any1 else more trust worthy around. usually in matters of a serious >> nature, they do allow u to take it home and give it a day for u to go >> through it and sign. its very rarely at gun point where u have to sign >> immediately. so it shouldn't be so much of a problem. >> of course making a xerox coppy after u sign the document is also >> equally important for any future reference, or in case of any >> discrepancy between 2 parties. >> at leasst for property related issues, they always give u enough time >> to go through it at your own pace. >> >> >> On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: >>> hi all, >>> here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . >>> in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of >>> money or property . >>> so what precautions should be taken while signing through thumb marks >>> on important documents ? >>> if the documents are in hard copy then it is obvious that we can't >>> read that and we have to trust someone for it . >>> so what to do in such situations ? >>> i want the opinion of expirienced members . >>> >>> thanks, >>> Maitreya Shah >>> >>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >>> of >>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Search for old postings at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>> >>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>> please >>> visit the list home page at >>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>> >>> >>> Disclaimer: >>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >>> >>> the >>> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; >>> >>> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >>> mails >>> sent through this mailing list.. >>> >> >> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility of >> >> mobile phones / Tabs on: >> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Search for old postings at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >> >> To unsubscribe send a message to >> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >> with the subject unsubscribe. >> >> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >> please visit the list home page at >> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >> >> >> Disclaimer: >> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of >> the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >> veracity; >> >> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commiss
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hi all, thanks for your wonderful reply . here , one more thing , i was denyed by many government departments for signing documents saying that thumb mark is compulsory for blind . also ,before sometime ,when i was giving my thumb marks for passport , there were so many documents to be signed and all that documents were difficult to be obtain in soft copy . so please throw some light on this also . thanks, Maitreya Shah +91-8690943237 On 9/26/13, akhilesh wrote: > In case of a property sail, you have no time. the signature is to be > put in the presence of both parties and the magistrate. > There is a limitted time alotted to the clients. > > No no. That is very reckless aproach to force the client to sign the > property documents in a hurry. > you can take the time to read and sign the agreement to sell and later > the sale deed both. > it is a very complex document, can and should not be signed just to > save some time. > > if you're a vendee, you can even force the vender to send the > documents in e format. > future litigation should be avoided at any cost at least in the issues > of property. > > On 9/26/13, Vedprakash wrote: >> In case of a property sail, you have no time. the signature is to be put >> in >> >> the presence of both parties and the magistrate. >> There is a limitted time alotted to the clients. >> The courts are so crowded these days. >> - Original Message - >> From: "Shireen Irani" >> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >> concerningthe disabled." >> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 4:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents >> >> >>> sorry, what is a signature guide?? where is it available?? some details >>> please. >>> and i think its only fair to get the person who brings the document to >>> read it to u at least the relevant bits before u sign, if u dont have >>> any1 else more trust worthy around. usually in matters of a serious >>> nature, they do allow u to take it home and give it a day for u to go >>> through it and sign. its very rarely at gun point where u have to sign >>> immediately. so it shouldn't be so much of a problem. >>> of course making a xerox coppy after u sign the document is also >>> equally important for any future reference, or in case of any >>> discrepancy between 2 parties. >>> at leasst for property related issues, they always give u enough time >>> to go through it at your own pace. >>> >>> >>> On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: >>>> hi all, >>>> here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . >>>> in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of >>>> money or property . >>>> so what precautions should be taken while signing through thumb marks >>>> on important documents ? >>>> if the documents are in hard copy then it is obvious that we can't >>>> read that and we have to trust someone for it . >>>> so what to do in such situations ? >>>> i want the opinion of expirienced members . >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> Maitreya Shah >>>> >>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >>>> of >>>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> Search for old postings at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>> please >>>> visit the list home page at >>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>> >>>> >>>> Disclaimer: >>>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking >>>> of >>>> >>>> the >>>> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >>>> veracity; >>>> >>>> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >>>> mails >>>> sent through this mailing list.. >>>> >>> >>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing accessibility >
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in case of purchase of property both signature & thumb ipression is necessary because in Shimoga in Karnataka recently I purchased land and there I had to do both in registrar office, related to reading of documents always in such time you should accompany with of any sighted person who is very close to you, scaning & laptops doesn't work in Registrar office, simply talking of carrying of laptops & scanners to registrar Offices and any other government offices while signing documents is not easy, there you have to depend any sincere person either your spouse or parants On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: > hi all, > thanks for your wonderful reply . > here , one more thing , > i was denyed by many government departments for signing documents > saying that thumb mark is compulsory for blind . > also ,before sometime ,when i was giving my thumb marks for passport , > there were so many documents to be signed and all that documents were > difficult to be obtain in soft copy . > so please throw some light on this also . > > thanks, > Maitreya Shah > +91-8690943237 > > On 9/26/13, akhilesh wrote: >> In case of a property sail, you have no time. the signature is to be >> put in the presence of both parties and the magistrate. >> There is a limitted time alotted to the clients. >> >> No no. That is very reckless aproach to force the client to sign the >> property documents in a hurry. >> you can take the time to read and sign the agreement to sell and later >> the sale deed both. >> it is a very complex document, can and should not be signed just to >> save some time. >> >> if you're a vendee, you can even force the vender to send the >> documents in e format. >> future litigation should be avoided at any cost at least in the issues >> of property. >> >> On 9/26/13, Vedprakash wrote: >>> In case of a property sail, you have no time. the signature is to be put >>> in >>> >>> the presence of both parties and the magistrate. >>> There is a limitted time alotted to the clients. >>> The courts are so crowded these days. >>> - Original Message ----- >>> From: "Shireen Irani" >>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>> concerningthe disabled." >>> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 4:47 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents >>> >>> >>>> sorry, what is a signature guide?? where is it available?? some details >>>> please. >>>> and i think its only fair to get the person who brings the document to >>>> read it to u at least the relevant bits before u sign, if u dont have >>>> any1 else more trust worthy around. usually in matters of a serious >>>> nature, they do allow u to take it home and give it a day for u to go >>>> through it and sign. its very rarely at gun point where u have to sign >>>> immediately. so it shouldn't be so much of a problem. >>>> of course making a xerox coppy after u sign the document is also >>>> equally important for any future reference, or in case of any >>>> discrepancy between 2 parties. >>>> at leasst for property related issues, they always give u enough time >>>> to go through it at your own pace. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: >>>>> hi all, >>>>> here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . >>>>> in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of >>>>> money or property . >>>>> so what precautions should be taken while signing through thumb marks >>>>> on important documents ? >>>>> if the documents are in hard copy then it is obvious that we can't >>>>> read that and we have to trust someone for it . >>>>> so what to do in such situations ? >>>>> i want the opinion of expirienced members . >>>>> >>>>> thanks, >>>>> Maitreya Shah >>>>> >>>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing >>>>> accessibility >>>>> of >>>>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Search for old postings at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>>>> >>>
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gt;> >>> if you're a vendee, you can even force the vender to send the >>> documents in e format. >>> future litigation should be avoided at any cost at least in the issues >>> of property. >>> >>> On 9/26/13, Vedprakash wrote: >>>> In case of a property sail, you have no time. the signature is to be >>>> put >>>> in >>>> >>>> the presence of both parties and the magistrate. >>>> There is a limitted time alotted to the clients. >>>> The courts are so crowded these days. >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Shireen Irani" >>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>> concerningthe disabled." >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 4:47 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important >>>> documents >>>> >>>> >>>>> sorry, what is a signature guide?? where is it available?? some >>>>> details >>>>> please. >>>>> and i think its only fair to get the person who brings the document to >>>>> read it to u at least the relevant bits before u sign, if u dont have >>>>> any1 else more trust worthy around. usually in matters of a serious >>>>> nature, they do allow u to take it home and give it a day for u to go >>>>> through it and sign. its very rarely at gun point where u have to sign >>>>> immediately. so it shouldn't be so much of a problem. >>>>> of course making a xerox coppy after u sign the document is also >>>>> equally important for any future reference, or in case of any >>>>> discrepancy between 2 parties. >>>>> at leasst for property related issues, they always give u enough time >>>>> to go through it at your own pace. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: >>>>>> hi all, >>>>>> here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . >>>>>> in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of >>>>>> money or property . >>>>>> so what precautions should be taken while signing through thumb marks >>>>>> on important documents ? >>>>>> if the documents are in hard copy then it is obvious that we can't >>>>>> read that and we have to trust someone for it . >>>>>> so what to do in such situations ? >>>>>> i want the opinion of expirienced members . >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks, >>>>>> Maitreya Shah >>>>>> >>>>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing >>>>>> accessibility >>>>>> of >>>>>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Search for old postings at: >>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe send a message to >>>>>> accessindia-requ...@accessindia.org.in >>>>>> with the subject unsubscribe. >>>>>> >>>>>> To change your subscription to digest mode or make any other changes, >>>>>> please >>>>>> visit the list home page at >>>>>> http://accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Disclaimer: >>>>>> 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking >>>>>> of >>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>>>> person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its >>>>>> veracity; >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the >>>>>> mails >>>>>> sent through this mailing list.. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing >>>>> accessibility >>>>> of >>>>> >>>>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >&g
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ments >>> saying that thumb mark is compulsory for blind . >>> also ,before sometime ,when i was giving my thumb marks for passport , >>> there were so many documents to be signed and all that documents were >>> difficult to be obtain in soft copy . >>> so please throw some light on this also . >>> >>> thanks, >>> Maitreya Shah >>> +91-8690943237 >>> >>> On 9/26/13, akhilesh wrote: >>>> In case of a property sail, you have no time. the signature is to be >>>> put in the presence of both parties and the magistrate. >>>> There is a limitted time alotted to the clients. >>>> >>>> No no. That is very reckless aproach to force the client to sign the >>>> property documents in a hurry. >>>> you can take the time to read and sign the agreement to sell and later >>>> the sale deed both. >>>> it is a very complex document, can and should not be signed just to >>>> save some time. >>>> >>>> if you're a vendee, you can even force the vender to send the >>>> documents in e format. >>>> future litigation should be avoided at any cost at least in the issues >>>> of property. >>>> >>>> On 9/26/13, Vedprakash wrote: >>>>> In case of a property sail, you have no time. the signature is to be >>>>> put >>>>> in >>>>> >>>>> the presence of both parties and the magistrate. >>>>> There is a limitted time alotted to the clients. >>>>> The courts are so crowded these days. >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: "Shireen Irani" >>>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>>> concerningthe disabled." >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 4:47 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important >>>>> documents >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> sorry, what is a signature guide?? where is it available?? some >>>>>> details >>>>>> please. >>>>>> and i think its only fair to get the person who brings the document >>>>>> to >>>>>> read it to u at least the relevant bits before u sign, if u dont have >>>>>> any1 else more trust worthy around. usually in matters of a serious >>>>>> nature, they do allow u to take it home and give it a day for u to go >>>>>> through it and sign. its very rarely at gun point where u have to >>>>>> sign >>>>>> immediately. so it shouldn't be so much of a problem. >>>>>> of course making a xerox coppy after u sign the document is also >>>>>> equally important for any future reference, or in case of any >>>>>> discrepancy between 2 parties. >>>>>> at leasst for property related issues, they always give u enough time >>>>>> to go through it at your own pace. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: >>>>>>> hi all, >>>>>>> here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . >>>>>>> in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of >>>>>>> money or property . >>>>>>> so what precautions should be taken while signing through thumb >>>>>>> marks >>>>>>> on important documents ? >>>>>>> if the documents are in hard copy then it is obvious that we can't >>>>>>> read that and we have to trust someone for it . >>>>>>> so what to do in such situations ? >>>>>>> i want the opinion of expirienced members . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks, >>>>>>> Maitreya Shah >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Register at the dedicated AccessIndia list for discussing >>>>>>> accessibility >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> mobile phones / Tabs on: >>>>>>> http://mail.accessindia.org.in/mailman/listinfo/mobile.accessindia_accessindia.org.in >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Search for old postings at: >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ >>>>>>>
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in such time you should accompany with of any sighted >>> person who is very close to you, scaning & laptops doesn't work in >>> Registrar office, simply talking of carrying of laptops & scanners to >>> registrar Offices and any other government offices while signing >>> documents is not easy, there you have to depend any sincere person >>> either your spouse or parants >>> >>> On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: >>>> hi all, >>>> thanks for your wonderful reply . >>>> here , one more thing , >>>> i was denyed by many government departments for signing documents >>>> saying that thumb mark is compulsory for blind . >>>> also ,before sometime ,when i was giving my thumb marks for passport , >>>> there were so many documents to be signed and all that documents were >>>> difficult to be obtain in soft copy . >>>> so please throw some light on this also . >>>> >>>> thanks, >>>> Maitreya Shah >>>> +91-8690943237 >>>> >>>> On 9/26/13, akhilesh wrote: >>>>> In case of a property sail, you have no time. the signature is to be >>>>> put in the presence of both parties and the magistrate. >>>>> There is a limitted time alotted to the clients. >>>>> >>>>> No no. That is very reckless aproach to force the client to sign the >>>>> property documents in a hurry. >>>>> you can take the time to read and sign the agreement to sell and later >>>>> the sale deed both. >>>>> it is a very complex document, can and should not be signed just to >>>>> save some time. >>>>> >>>>> if you're a vendee, you can even force the vender to send the >>>>> documents in e format. >>>>> future litigation should be avoided at any cost at least in the issues >>>>> of property. >>>>> >>>>> On 9/26/13, Vedprakash wrote: >>>>>> In case of a property sail, you have no time. the signature is to be >>>>>> put >>>>>> in >>>>>> >>>>>> the presence of both parties and the magistrate. >>>>>> There is a limitted time alotted to the clients. >>>>>> The courts are so crowded these days. >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> From: "Shireen Irani" >>>>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues >>>>>> concerningthe disabled." >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 4:47 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important >>>>>> documents >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> sorry, what is a signature guide?? where is it available?? some >>>>>>> details >>>>>>> please. >>>>>>> and i think its only fair to get the person who brings the document >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> read it to u at least the relevant bits before u sign, if u dont >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> any1 else more trust worthy around. usually in matters of a serious >>>>>>> nature, they do allow u to take it home and give it a day for u to >>>>>>> go >>>>>>> through it and sign. its very rarely at gun point where u have to >>>>>>> sign >>>>>>> immediately. so it shouldn't be so much of a problem. >>>>>>> of course making a xerox coppy after u sign the document is also >>>>>>> equally important for any future reference, or in case of any >>>>>>> discrepancy between 2 parties. >>>>>>> at leasst for property related issues, they always give u enough >>>>>>> time >>>>>>> to go through it at your own pace. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: >>>>>>>> hi all, >>>>>>>> here i would like to draw your attention on an serious matter . >>>>>>>> in today's time ,when we can't trust on anyone ,if the matter is of >>>>>>>> money or property . >>>>>>>> so what precautions should be taken while signing through thumb >>>>>>>> marks >>>>>&
Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents
On fine scrutiny, one can distinguish between putting a stamp and making a signature. Without prior permission from an appropriate authority, one cannot use stamp in place of signatures. - Original Message - From: "Ekinath Khedekar" To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerningthe disabled." Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [AI] signs or thumb marks for the VI on important documents Hi I forgot to share one more idea. It’s a simple one : You can tell a stamp maker to make a stamp of your signature with out borders to it. There are stamps available with out edge boundary and self contained ink. It’s quite portable. However, yu do have risk being denied in front of any particular authority. Therefore, request for opinions from legal experts. And was suggested by someone, you can use a stemcil card which has a cut in a plastic card according to your signature lines but because I haven’t used it, I wonder how will you be able to deal with overlapping curves. Regs. On 9/27/13, Ekinath Khedekar wrote: Hi Please don’t give in to insistence of signing the document immediately. You can even magistrate or any authority to render you time as you are a VI. I use both thumb and signature together or mostly separately depending on significance, long term/short term financial impact and room for defense in case of litigation. Firstly, I am not aware of any rule denying executor (signing person) to not sign and stamp a thumb together. So in the matters of property I use both signature and thumb impression. In fact, sub-divisional registrar Dombivli had appreciated this idea. They do ask for both but some sighted people avoid it. Secondly, I use 3 signatures 1 frivolous for surveys, feedback forms etc. 2 for serious but no financial implications and 3 for most serious matters which have long-term large financial or other impacts. In such matters, it is better to use both signature and thumb impression. Other aspects are, what does the service provider want for example, as someone mentioned for d-mat, credit cards and loan (in my case) I used my second signature as I have liability to pay and not gain from the transaction. Importantly in my case, the process wasn’t moving ahead in all 3 cases as I had thumb impression on all KYC documents like PAN card, passport etc. But I got my signature approved by my parent bank and got all 3 processes through. Basically, your parent bank through some form attests and approves that signature used for above mentioned services matches with the signatures used for cheques and other transactions through the parent bank and that’s enough. Let me note here, that I have to get at least one of my KYC document based on my one of my signatures. So I can avoid going to my parent bank to approve the matching of signatures everytime. Advice is to get at least get your one KYC document based on your confirmed signature so you can use it wherever signature is mandatory for smooth process. Another important point, have you asked signature verifier that what does he look for when he verifies the signature? I had and the answer was : They do not strictly look for 100% matching of signature. What they do look for use curves and their sharp or curvy turns and number of turns in the signature. What I mean to say is that signature does not necessarily have to be an initial letter alphabet etc. It can be any unique scribbling that u only can do more or less in the same manner everytime. They would only look for similarities. Mind you, these are my ways and in my opinion, they are all right. If anybody has any suggestion I will appreciate. Bottomline, I use all the possible service and transactions available to sighted people and do not want to be stranded for a want of circulars as was the case when I had to open myd-mat account. Icicidirect showed me NSDL/CSDL circular and denied me d-mat on the basis of my thumb impression. So I had to give them my signature and with another hand an “Angootha” saying dude I have it with or with out “ANgootha” :P Do please as I earlier said guide me if I am wrong… ~Cheers On 9/27/13, Vivekananda Doddamani. wrote: in case of purchase of property both signature & thumb ipression is necessary because in Shimoga in Karnataka recently I purchased land and there I had to do both in registrar office, related to reading of documents always in such time you should accompany with of any sighted person who is very close to you, scaning & laptops doesn't work in Registrar office, simply talking of carrying of laptops & scanners to registrar Offices and any other government offices while signing documents is not easy, there you have to depend any sincere person either your spouse or parants On 9/26/13, maitreya shah wrote: hi all, thanks for your wonderful reply . here , one more thing , i was denyed by many government departments for signing documents
