[ActiveDir] Happy Birthday [list owner]

2004-01-13 Thread Tony Murray
The ActiveDir.org discussion forum is 3 years old today!

The list membership has grown somewhat since the January 13th 2001 (when it consisted 
of me, various friends, family, acquaintances and anyone else I could cajole, coerce 
or bribe) to over 1000 today.

I might be ever-so-slightly biased, but I think this is a great technical forum.  
Thanks for making it what it is today, and especially to those of you who give of 
their time to make regular, helpful and well-informed contributions (you know who you 
are).

Tony

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Re: [ActiveDir] store password using reversible encryption ?

2004-01-13 Thread Tony Murray
There is a little more information here:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechnol/windowsserver2003/proddocs/standard/505.asp

The bottom line is that some apps require it.  It would scare me to implement it too, 
the implication being that the encryption is...well...reversible.  

If you really have to do it for CHAPS or IIS then it would seem sensible to try to 
limit the scope as much as possible.

Tony

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Can anyone enlighten me about the account option store passord using
reversible encryption ?  As I understand it, some kinds of clients and some
kinds of remote access solutions that use CHAP require that this option be
enabled.  Just the sound of it makes me uncomfortable.

What are the security implications of setting this option on a user account
?

Dave
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Re: [ActiveDir] Happy Birthday [list owner]

2004-01-13 Thread jacqui . hurst
Many Happy Returns.

I agree.  I find this the most useful forum I have ever subscribed to.  I only wish I 
was as helpful as some of your regulars.

Many thanks to all that give so much to this group.

Jacqui


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 The ActiveDir.org discussion forum is 3 years old today!
 
 The list membership has grown somewhat since the January 13th 2001 (when it 
 consisted of me, various friends, family, acquaintances and anyone else I could 
 cajole, coerce or bribe) to over 1000 today.
 
 I might be ever-so-slightly biased, but I think this is a great technical forum.  
 Thanks for making it what it is today, and especially to those of you who give of 
 their time to make regular, helpful and well-informed contributions (you know who 
 you are).
 
 Tony
 
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RE: [ActiveDir] Happy Birthday [list owner]

2004-01-13 Thread Jerry Welch
Tony,
Congratulations !
Jerry

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The ActiveDir.org discussion forum is 3 years old today!

The list membership has grown somewhat since the January 13th 2001 (when it
consisted of me, various friends, family, acquaintances and anyone else I
could cajole, coerce or bribe) to over 1000 today.

I might be ever-so-slightly biased, but I think this is a great technical
forum.  Thanks for making it what it is today, and especially to those of
you who give of their time to make regular, helpful and well-informed
contributions (you know who you are).

Tony

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RE: [ActiveDir] Happy Birthday [list owner]

2004-01-13 Thread David, Andy
Congrats my friend.
Please, no birthday suits.
 

-Original Message-
From: Tony Murray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Subject: [ActiveDir] Happy Birthday [list owner]

The ActiveDir.org discussion forum is 3 years old today!

The list membership has grown somewhat since the January 13th 2001 (when it
consisted of me, various friends, family, acquaintances and anyone else I
could cajole, coerce or bribe) to over 1000 today.

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forum.  Thanks for making it what it is today, and especially to those of
you who give of their time to make regular, helpful and well-informed
contributions (you know who you are).

Tony

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RE: [ActiveDir] Lab Refresh Process

2004-01-13 Thread mahocraf

The last time I recreated our test bed
environment, I used VMWare and it worked great, just as expected. It
was relatively quick and painless.

We have a multiple domain forest but
really only cared about recreating our empty root and our largest production
domains. We had earlier implemented what I call our OnlineRecovery
site that contains a domain controller but replication is only enabled
for one hour in the middle of the night. What that gives us is the
ability to recover a deleted object during the day without negatively affecting
any users. As long as we catch the deletion (or any change) during
the day that it occurred, we simply reboot this domain controller in Restore
mode, mark that object as being authorative and reboot back into normal
mode. We then force replication out from that DC and the object will
reappear on the other DCs. All this without affecting any other user
as that DC is not doing anything else.

I used this DC to create my test bed
by loading VMWare, setting up a DC in each domain in VMWare, shutting them
down, making copies, moving them to the test bed and then going thru the
normal clean up (ie role seizures, deleting 'dead DCs etc - not trivial
but straight forward). Back on the production side, I started the
VMWare sessions back up and DCPromoed them back down and stopped them altogether.
I have recently started this process again using Microsoft's Virtual
PC but have run into some issues. I highly recommend this OnlineRecovery
site (personally save my butt more than once and another's in my department
as well) and the use of a virtual machine software to make copies for a
test bed environment. Currently I would lean towards the VMWare product.
This process does require additional hardware and software licenses
but in our environment has paid for itself already.

mark hocraffer
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Rockwell Collins






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We are just starting to look at
this and haven't implemented. Done some rough experimentation, the hardware
is in place to do more large scale testing. In the end the idea is that
the machines will be production domain controllers but will be segmented
off in a site that shouldn't be used by anyone. We don't want them processing
authentication or other ldap requests, we simply want them replicating
to get the DIT so we can shut them down daily and back up the virtual disk
file.

The huge benefit is that if we
have a catastrophic failure, we take any server capable of running Virtual
Server and copy these files to it and turn then on and our old environment
is back up and running again much faster than any other method we can think
of. 

As for the lab, you occasionally
grab the disk file and transport to the lab and bam, you have production
in the lab to see what that schema change will do to a live production
environment before going into the real production environment. Mirroring
production will never be truly close for everything, there will always
be something different. I can visualize of no better way to be this close
this easily and if done correctly most all of it can be scripted. 

 joe


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Are your virtual servers production
servers? This sounds like a pretty cool idea 




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What we are looking at for this
is a virtual server setup. We pull the disk file image from production
to the lab occasionally and spin it up in the protected network of the
lab. It will be a side effect of our disaster recover model we are working
on. Every day the virtual servers will be spun down and the disk files
backed up and then the virtual servers will be spun back up. The images
can then be used to restore the forest in case of huge disaster or could
be pulled into a segregated lab for testing. 

Still a swing server but not as
involved as physical hardware. 

 joe




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I was trying to think of a
way in which I can get the SIDS  GUIDs without the swing server, but
I can't think of another way.


--

Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP

Sr. Systems Administrator 
Inovis Inc. 
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RE: [ActiveDir] Happy Birthday [list owner]

2004-01-13 Thread Bridges, Samantha
Happy B-Day!

:)

This forum has saved me many times.  Thanks for a great forum.



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Congrats my friend.
Please, no birthday suits.
 

-Original Message-
From: Tony Murray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:32 AM
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Subject: [ActiveDir] Happy Birthday [list owner]

The ActiveDir.org discussion forum is 3 years old today!

The list membership has grown somewhat since the January 13th 2001 (when
it consisted of me, various friends, family, acquaintances and anyone
else I could cajole, coerce or bribe) to over 1000 today.

I might be ever-so-slightly biased, but I think this is a great
technical forum.  Thanks for making it what it is today, and especially
to those of you who give of their time to make regular, helpful and
well-informed contributions (you know who you are).

Tony

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RE: [ActiveDir] SidHistory migration

2004-01-13 Thread GRILLENMEIER,GUIDO (HP-Germany,ex1)



NT4 doesn't know about this, so nothing to configure 
here. It's turned off by default in 2000 (so you don't have to turn it 
off, if you didn't turn it on...). So there's only 2003 where you may want 
to turn it off...

Also, to further understand your problem: am I correct in 
assuming, that you've migrated all groups and users to 2003 and that the 
resources are still in the 2000 forest/domain? Often people forget that 
you need to migrate the Groups with SID-history as well... It's best to 
compare one on one which SIDs a user and his/her groups have in 2000 (incl. 
SIDhistory) to those in 2003, before analysing this 
further...

/Guido


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JoeSent: Montag, 12. Januar 2004 23:52To: 
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migration


Thanks, Guido! 


Ive turned SID 
filtering off and have had no luck. Is there something I need to do on the 
Windows 2000 or NT side?! 


Joe 
Pelle
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From: 
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Sent: Saturday, January 10, 
2004 5:13 PMTo: 
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migration

2003 has SID-Filterning 
turned on by default for any external trusts to and from domain - i.e. access 
with SID-History should work fine as long as the resources your accessing are on 
servers that are members of the 2003 forest.

you can turn off 
SID-Filtering - this should resolve your problem. However, as this feature 
generally decreases the attack surface for your 2003 forest in trusted 
environments, you really only want to consider this as an interims 
solution.

/Guido




From: Pelle, 
Joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Freitag, 9. Januar 2004 
16:37To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] SidHistory 
migration
We were going to do the 
inplace but we have no choice to do it this way. Any 
suggestions?


Joe 
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From: Mulnick, 
Al [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 10:03 
AMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] SidHistory 
migration

Even if you did make it 
work, I would be uncomfortable with the complexity involved of 
permissions. 'Course I'm in a regulated industry, but 
still...

Any reason why you 
don't upgrade your domain in place? Why the new domain 
again?

Why can't you get rid 
of the old domain and get rid of the sIDHistory from that migration? In 
other words, why not complete the migration prior to migrating 
again?


Al




From: Pelle, 
Joe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 9:04 
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ActiveDir] SidHistory 
migration
Hello, All! Happy New Year! 


I'm hoping you can help me figure 
this one out! 

We've migrated from NT to 2000 with 
SIDHistory and have been running successfully for quite some time now. We 
now want to move to 2003 with SIDHistory - which, will give our user accounts 3 
SIDs (NT, 2000, 2003). We've tested this in the lab and with the migration 
software we are using we are getting a successful SID migration, however, when 
logging in as a migrated user in 2003 I don't have the same access I had in 2000 
(or NT). 

It appears that SIDHistory is NOT 
working. We have a two way trust between our two forests as well as trusts 
going back to NT. I've disabled SID filtering on the 2003 trust. 


Any help in this matter would be 
greatly appreciated! 

Thanks! 


Joe 
Pelle
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IT
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RE: [ActiveDir] store password using reversible encryption ?

2004-01-13 Thread GRILLENMEIER,GUIDO (HP-Germany,ex1)
it basically means: store the password in such an unsafe way, that it can be
read by other sources...  unless you have a really important requirement for
this, it's nothing that you'd want to do.

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From: Fugleberg, David A [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Montag, 12. Januar 2004 20:48
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Subject: [ActiveDir] store password using reversible encryption ?

Can anyone enlighten me about the account option store passord using
reversible encryption ?  As I understand it, some kinds of clients and some
kinds of remote access solutions that use CHAP require that this option be
enabled.  Just the sound of it makes me uncomfortable.

What are the security implications of setting this option on a user account
?

Dave
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[ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

2004-01-13 Thread Oliver Marshall
Does anyone know a GPO setting that will allow me to prevent users from
accessing the Recover Deleted Items addin in Outlook ? Someone on an
exchange mailing list said that there is a GP setting to prevent this
addin being loaded.

Olly
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RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

2004-01-13 Thread Roger Seielstad
It strikes me that it might be part of the Office Administration Templates,
which can be distributed via GPOs, but aren't actually part of the GPO
settings.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/ork/2003/five/ch18/MntA04.htm

There are similar templates for Office XP and Office 2000 that might do the
trick.

Roger
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 Subject: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster
 
 
 Does anyone know a GPO setting that will allow me to prevent 
 users from
 accessing the Recover Deleted Items addin in Outlook ? Someone on an
 exchange mailing list said that there is a GP setting to prevent this
 addin being loaded.
 
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[ActiveDir] GPO not being applied

2004-01-13 Thread Bruce Clingaman

I have a simple problem. One GPO is not being applied. I have a GPO with
desktop settings being applied for students and faculty. It works. Another
GPO for proxy settings and special home page is assigned to the library lab
computers. The proxy settings are appearing but the home page setting is
not. I have students, faculty and even authenticated users Read and Apply
set.  Both the groups have a mandatory profile. My goal is for users to
login to library and get library home page and proxy settings, anywhere else
they get the home page that appears in the profile and no proxy settings.

The RSoP says the home page is being set to the library home page.

thanks.

Bruce Clingaman


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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: slipstreaming Win2K

2004-01-13 Thread Celone, Mike



You mean this?

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;828930Product=win2000

Mike


From: Creamer, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:06 AMTo: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: slipstreaming 
Win2K


I've successfully slipstreamed 
service packs into a Win2K install media before, but never looked into adding 
any hotfixes to it. So I started looking into how to do it, and was surprised to 
find dialog from one of Microsoft's online tech chats, in which the rep said you 
can't do that. Did I misunderstand, or can I really not add hotfixes to a 
slipstream image?

Thanks...oh, and Tony - thanks also 
from me for a great list!

Mark 
Creamer
Systems 
Engineer
Cintas 
Corporation
Honesty and 
Integrity in Everything We Do



RE: [ActiveDir] OT: slipstreaming Win2K

2004-01-13 Thread Network Administrator








Unfortunately, you cant slipstream
most (any?) hotfixes into installation media, though I seem to remember reading
somewhere that Microsoft intends to make all critical updates slipstreamable.



In the meantime, though, you can use a
workaround to install hotfixes in an unattended install. Though not quite
as smooth as slipstreaming, it works just as well in the end. You can
find a well-written article about that at the following URL:



http://www.cheese.org/~scott/useful/Slipstreaming%20Builds.doc



If I remember correctly, you simply have
to rename the hotfixes, throw them in a particular directory on the
installation media, and write a CMDLINES.TXT file that executes after the
installation has completed.



-James R. Rogers, MCSE













From:
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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004
11:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT:
slipstreaming Win2K





Ive successfully slipstreamed service packs into a
Win2K install media before, but never looked into adding any hotfixes to it. So
I started looking into how to do it, and was surprised to find dialog from one
of Microsofts online tech chats, in which the rep said you cant
do that. Did I misunderstand, or can I really not add hotfixes to a slipstream
image?



Thanksoh, and Tony  thanks also from me for a
great list!



Mark Creamer

Systems Engineer

Cintas Corporation

Honesty and Integrity
in Everything We Do










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RE: [ActiveDir] Happy Birthday [list owner]

2004-01-13 Thread Mark Caldwell
Nice work Tony and ditto on the thanks to all the folks who take time to
contribute!

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Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 11:32 PM
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Subject: [ActiveDir] Happy Birthday [list owner]

The ActiveDir.org discussion forum is 3 years old today!

The list membership has grown somewhat since the January 13th 2001 (when
it consisted of me, various friends, family, acquaintances and anyone
else I could cajole, coerce or bribe) to over 1000 today.

I might be ever-so-slightly biased, but I think this is a great
technical forum.  Thanks for making it what it is today, and especially
to those of you who give of their time to make regular, helpful and
well-informed contributions (you know who you are).


Tony

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RE: [ActiveDir] GPO not being applied

2004-01-13 Thread GRILLENMEIER,GUIDO (HP-Germany,ex1)
you'll want to apply your GPOs for the library computers in loopback mode
(depends on other requirements if you choose to go for merge or replace) -
this way you can use the settings of the library computer to override the
same IE settings that come from other User related GPOs.

/Guido

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User GPOs are applied AFTER machine GPOs IIRC.  If the user GPOs set the
proxy or home page settings differently than the machine GPO, the user GPO
settings will be the effective settings.

Kenneth W. (Ken) Adams, MCSA, MCSE



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From: Bruce Clingaman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:07 PM
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I have a simple problem. One GPO is not being applied. I have a GPO with
desktop settings being applied for students and faculty. It works. Another
GPO for proxy settings and special home page is assigned to the library lab
computers. The proxy settings are appearing but the home page setting is
not. I have students, faculty and even authenticated users Read and Apply
set.  Both the groups have a mandatory profile. My goal is for users to
login to library and get library home page and proxy settings, anywhere else
they get the home page that appears in the profile and no proxy settings.

The RSoP says the home page is being set to the library home page.

thanks.

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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: slipstreaming Win2K

2004-01-13 Thread Rich Milburn








Thats right, you have to use qchain
and put them in a subdirectory under i386 and so on I had the procedures
once upon a time and decided it wasnt worth it, but if you need them I
could probably find them again.

Rich











From: Creamer, Mark
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004
10:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT:
slipstreaming Win2K





Ive successfully slipstreamed service packs into a
Win2K install media before, but never looked into adding any hotfixes to it. So
I started looking into how to do it, and was surprised to find dialog from one
of Microsofts online tech chats, in which the rep said you cant
do that. Did I misunderstand, or can I really not add hotfixes to a slipstream
image?



Thanksoh, and Tony  thanks also from me for a
great list!



Mark Creamer

Systems Engineer

Cintas Corporation

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in Everything We Do









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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: slipstreaming Win2K

2004-01-13 Thread Rich Milburn
Title: Message








Just saw the link below still I
think itd be easier to set up SUS for post-imaging pre-deployment use
than to follow all that for each patch Dang! What a lot of work. Okay
so prior to 11/11/03 I think what I said was true ;-) Havent looked at
the susserver.com site yet though. When we were using RIPREP to deploy, within
15 minutes of the computer being built and in the OU for new computers which
had the SUS settings applied via GPO, the XP SP1 computers were ready to
restart after patching from SUS. 15 minutes for us was an acceptable wait
period.



I knew a guy who had NT4 SP6a slipstreamed
a couple of years ago though  supposedly you couldnt do that at
the time. Not officially, I dont think, anyway. 









From: Celone, Mike
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004
1:08 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
slipstreaming Win2K



You mean this?



http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;828930Product=win2000



Mike











From: Roger Seielstad
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004
2:33 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
slipstreaming Win2K







There's a utility linked off the
susserver.com site that can accomplish this as well.















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Sr. Systems Administrator 
Inovis Inc. 



-Original Message-
From: Rich Milburn
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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004
3:19 PM
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
slipstreaming Win2K

That's right, you have to use qchain and
put them in a subdirectory under i386 and so on... I had the procedures once
upon a time and decided it wasn't worth it, but if you need them I could
probably find them again.

Rich











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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004
10:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT:
slipstreaming Win2K





I've successfully slipstreamed service packs into a Win2K
install media before, but never looked into adding any hotfixes to it. So I
started looking into how to do it, and was surprised to find dialog from one of
Microsoft's online tech chats, in which the rep said you can't do that. Did I
misunderstand, or can I really not add hotfixes to a slipstream image?



Thanks...oh, and Tony - thanks also from me for a great list!



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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: slipstreaming Win2K

2004-01-13 Thread Roger Seielstad
Title: Message



Nope. 
I mean this:
http://www.nextwish.org/geek.php?page=susutil

Its 
an exe that sets the correct registry settings and restarts the update service, 
and the system gets the updates in about 10 minutes, then following the reboot 
it sets the settings back (which would be done by the GPO anyway, if you're 
using one).

I use 
it quite a bit for servers when I'm ready to patch them.
-- 
Roger D. Seielstad - 
MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. 

  
  -Original Message-From: Celone, Mike 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 
  2:08 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: 
  [ActiveDir] OT: slipstreaming Win2K
  You mean this?
  
  http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;828930Product=win2000
  
  Mike
  
  
  From: Creamer, Mark 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:06 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ActiveDir] 
  OT: slipstreaming Win2K
  
  
  I've successfully slipstreamed 
  service packs into a Win2K install media before, but never looked into adding 
  any hotfixes to it. So I started looking into how to do it, and was surprised 
  to find dialog from one of Microsoft's online tech chats, in which the rep 
  said you can't do that. Did I misunderstand, or can I really not add hotfixes 
  to a slipstream image?
  
  Thanks...oh, and Tony - thanks 
  also from me for a great list!
  
  Mark 
  Creamer
  Systems 
  Engineer
  Cintas 
  Corporation
  Honesty and 
  Integrity in Everything We Do
  


RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

2004-01-13 Thread Michael B. Smith
Or other capabilities available in Outlook/Exchange, such as journaling,
message tracking, etc. etc. 

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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:27 PM
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

I would argue then that you need to look at 3rd party archival tools!
 

-Original Message-
From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

Because while the Recover Deleted Items addin allows you...err...recover
deleted items a user can also delete things permanently. We have had
people 'covering their tracks' by deleting emails.

I don't want to disable the feature all together as it's a useful IT
tool for managers etc, but not for users.

Olly 

-Original Message-
From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 January 2004 19:15
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

I'm just wondering why you would want to implement such a thing. 
 

-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 12:27 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

It strikes me that it might be part of the Office Administration
Templates, which can be distributed via GPOs, but aren't actually part
of the GPO settings.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/ork/2003/five/ch18/MntA04.htm

There are similar templates for Office XP and Office 2000 that might do
the trick.

Roger
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 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:19 AM
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 Subject: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster
 
 
 Does anyone know a GPO setting that will allow me to prevent users 
 from accessing the Recover Deleted Items addin in Outlook ? Someone on

 an exchange mailing list said that there is a GP setting to prevent 
 this addin being loaded.
 
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RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

2004-01-13 Thread David, Andy
I would argue then that you need to look at 3rd party archival tools!
 

-Original Message-
From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

Because while the Recover Deleted Items addin allows you...err...recover
deleted items a user can also delete things permanently. We have had people
'covering their tracks' by deleting emails.

I don't want to disable the feature all together as it's a useful IT tool
for managers etc, but not for users.

Olly 

-Original Message-
From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 January 2004 19:15
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

I'm just wondering why you would want to implement such a thing. 
 

-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 12:27 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

It strikes me that it might be part of the Office Administration Templates,
which can be distributed via GPOs, but aren't actually part of the GPO
settings.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/ork/2003/five/ch18/MntA04.htm

There are similar templates for Office XP and Office 2000 that might do the
trick.

Roger
--
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Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


 -Original Message-
 From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:19 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster
 
 
 Does anyone know a GPO setting that will allow me to prevent users 
 from accessing the Recover Deleted Items addin in Outlook ? Someone on

 an exchange mailing list said that there is a GP setting to prevent 
 this addin being loaded.
 
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RE: [ActiveDir] OT: slipstreaming Win2K

2004-01-13 Thread james . blair
Title: Message



Mark,

Easily done, maybe the rep meantthat you couldn't 
roll the hotfixes directly into the i386 dir like the service packs, they have 
to be added as an "after thought"we usean 
unattendedbootable CD for our more remote locations and roll all the 
available hotfixes into it, I do the same with RIS (Roll hotfixes into install 
that is...), a good site to look at is:

http://www.msfn.org/unattended/xp/index.htm

I know it is XP but I have done it utilising the same 
method for W2K, only slightly different for RIS:

http://www.winnetmag.com/Articles/ArticleID/24892/pg/2/2.html

Rogers suggestion looks pretty good will look into 
that...

James


-Original Message-From: Roger 
Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 14 
January 2004 6:53 AMTo: 
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: 
slipstreaming Win2K

  Nope. I mean this:
  http://www.nextwish.org/geek.php?page=susutil
  
  Its 
  an exe that sets the correct registry settings and restarts the update 
  service, and the system gets the updates in about 10 minutes, then following 
  the reboot it sets the settings back (which would be done by the GPO anyway, 
  if you're using one).
  
  I 
  use it quite a bit for servers when I'm ready to patch 
  them.
  -- 
  Roger D. Seielstad 
  - MTS MCSE MS-MVP Sr. Systems Administrator Inovis Inc. 
  
  

-Original Message-From: Celone, Mike 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 
2:08 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: 
[ActiveDir] OT: slipstreaming Win2K
You mean this?

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;828930Product=win2000

Mike


From: Creamer, Mark 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 
11:06 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
[ActiveDir] OT: slipstreaming Win2K


I've successfully slipstreamed 
service packs into a Win2K install media before, but never looked into 
adding any hotfixes to it. So I started looking into how to do it, and was 
surprised to find dialog from one of Microsoft's online tech chats, in which 
the rep said you can't do that. Did I misunderstand, or can I really not add 
hotfixes to a slipstream image?

Thanks...oh, and Tony - thanks 
also from me for a great list!

Mark 
Creamer
Systems 
Engineer
Cintas 
Corporation
Honesty and 
Integrity in Everything We Do



RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

2004-01-13 Thread Mulnick, Al
Aren't we neglecting the idea of a big stick to adjust user behavior? ;)

Seriously, the only way I've heard of adjusting the dumpster behavior is to
either set it on for all items (dumpsteralwayson) and not storing the data
on the server.  The original intent was to empower users to be able to
recover items so that admins wouldn't have to.  

If the requirement is to keep the data regardless of user intervention, this
is the wrong tool.  The user that can figure out how to delete from the
dumpster, can figure out how to shift+delete and remove the item permanently
else move it to a PST and then delete it permanently from another profile
etc.  Heck, POP would work just fine for that as well. 

Solving user behavior issues with technology rarely works well.  I think in
this case, you have a user behavio issue.

Al 

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:37 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

Or other capabilities available in Outlook/Exchange, such as journaling,
message tracking, etc. etc. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David, Andy
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 4:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

I would argue then that you need to look at 3rd party archival tools!
 

-Original Message-
From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

Because while the Recover Deleted Items addin allows you...err...recover
deleted items a user can also delete things permanently. We have had people
'covering their tracks' by deleting emails.

I don't want to disable the feature all together as it's a useful IT tool
for managers etc, but not for users.

Olly 

-Original Message-
From: David, Andy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 January 2004 19:15
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

I'm just wondering why you would want to implement such a thing. 
 

-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 12:27 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

It strikes me that it might be part of the Office Administration Templates,
which can be distributed via GPOs, but aren't actually part of the GPO
settings.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/ork/2003/five/ch18/MntA04.htm

There are similar templates for Office XP and Office 2000 that might do the
trick.

Roger
--
Roger D. Seielstad - MTS MCSE MS-MVP
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis Inc.


 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 11:19 AM
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 Subject: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster
 
 
 Does anyone know a GPO setting that will allow me to prevent users 
 from accessing the Recover Deleted Items addin in Outlook ? Someone on

 an exchange mailing list said that there is a GP setting to prevent 
 this addin being loaded.
 
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RE: [ActiveDir] DC's on VMWare

2004-01-13 Thread Mike Baudino




Thanks and understood.

We have multiple datacenters and each datacenter will have one or more new
8-way boxes with 32gb or 64gb ram as the ESX consolidation platform.
When/where we need more than one DC in a datacenter we'll distribute the
VMs across multiple physical boxes.  I believe that covers the distributed
aspect of your reply as we'll still have DCs in more than one site and DCs
per site across multiple boxes.

As far as Microsoft is concerned, they have Virtual Server (not yet ready
for primetime) but we're going with VMWare ESX, recently acquired by EMC.
Will talk with them about virtualizing DCs in general though as that's a
good idea.  We've had ongoing design reviews but have not covered this
aspect.


Thanks,
Mike
   
  
  Mulnick, Al
  
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There's no particular reason why you couldn't put a DC on a VM that I'm
aware of.  However, for production purposes I would say that you should
carefully consider this approach.  The idea of a distributed directory is
to
have it, well, distributed.  If all you plan to use the ESX for is to put
DC's on it, then it really does defeat the purpose of a distributed
directory.   Failure of ESX hardware, would mean failure of potentially
many
apps or if multiple DC's then the failure of multiple DC's at one time.
Additionally, the cost of the larger hardware to house the multiple VM's
may
outweigh the cost of multiple physical machines running Windows 2003 DC's.
To get similar performance, you'll need to really understand the underlying
hardware and the implications of the apps running in those VM sessions to
prevent contention of resources.  That indicates a fairly large investment
in hardware to achieve what you describe.

What you may want to do is check with your local Microsoft support office
and see about getting a supportability review to ensure that what you are
doing is not only possible from their perspective (it's their product
right)
but also whether or not it's recommended by Microsoft at all.  They
shouldn't care one way or another about hardware from a money standpoint
since you have to buy just as many licences either way or in your case,
just
as many Windows 2003 licences and an additional ESX license.


As is often the case, just because you can doesn't mean you should. :)

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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ActiveDir] DC's on VMWare





All,

Server consolidation has us heading towards putting production Windows
Server 2003 domain controllers on VMWare VMs using ESX.  We have not yet
deployed AD widely (some business units have it and some don't) but are
working on a new design that will handle all business units.  Our lab is a
combination of physical servers on workstation-class hardware and VMs on
VMWare Workstation4 and on ESX.

However, our direction for production DC's is VMs on ESX unless we find
that
it doesn't work properly or well enough.  We're going to be testing this in
the lab.  I've seen recent emails about using VMs to spin off labs.
But does anyone have experience running production DC's on VMs or any known
gotcha's that they're willing to share?


Thanks,
Mike Baudino






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[ActiveDir] Backups

2004-01-13 Thread Jake Connor
I have a schedule backup that just copies everything on my hard drive 
to a drive on my firewire drive.

If my active hard drive crashes, how do I restore it with the data on 
my firewire drive so I can just boot up the new hard drive and it will 
have all the active directory users and all that stuff?

Thanks

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RE: [ActiveDir] DC's on VMWare

2004-01-13 Thread joe
Well right off the bat... MS doesn't support Windows on VMWARE; it is best
effort unless Microsoft can determine that the issue can be reproduced on
physical hardware. VMWARE claims this is because of competitive reasons but
MS never supported it even before they bought the Connectix product.

From what I have heard, our dev guys have actually hit things that they
couldn't reproduce.

Personally I would run Windows on VMWARE all day in a lab (we do) or at home
(I did). I wouldn't even start to consider it for production (never ever
ever). If you want to look at virtualization software for running Windows,
get into the Virtual Server preview program that MS has as obviously the
Windows products will be fully supported on that software. 

IBM and HP both claim full support for Windows on VMWARE. However you have
to keep in mind, what can they really do? If there is a problem with VMWARE
they can send that info back to the vendor. If they find a problem in
Windows they can send that back to MS. They have no power to really fix
anything. I have had a conversation with one of the guys at IBM concerning
the support model and in the end he said, there is no SLA for software
support from anyone - no guarantees... Great! He mentioned that all of their
VMWARE contracts are one offs negotiated specifically with the customer at
hand. But again, in the end, all they can do is pat your hand and say, we
understand, yes that does suck that it doesn't work, but don't worry we sent
someone a note - if we could fix it ourselves we would, but we can't. 

I actually stopped using the VMWARE products at home about 3 months ago and
switched to the MS products as I figured I might as well get used to it. 


Here are some links worth reading:


http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;273508
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=%2Fservicedesks%2Fbin%2Fkbsea
rch.asp%3FArticle%3D320220
http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/server/story/0,10801,87
185,00.html


   joe

 

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All,

Server consolidation has us heading towards putting production Windows
Server 2003 domain controllers on VMWare VMs using ESX.  We have not yet
deployed AD widely (some business units have it and some don't) but are
working on a new design that will handle all business units.  Our lab is a
combination of physical servers on workstation-class hardware and VMs on
VMWare Workstation4 and on ESX.

However, our direction for production DC's is VMs on ESX unless we find that
it doesn't work properly or well enough.  We're going to be testing this in
the lab.  I've seen recent emails about using VMs to spin off labs.
But does anyone have experience running production DC's on VMs or any known
gotcha's that they're willing to share?


Thanks,
Mike Baudino



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Re: [ActiveDir] Remotely Boot into DS Restore Mode?

2004-01-13 Thread Guy Teverovsky
Use /SAFEBOOT:DSREPAIR /SOS switches in boot.ini:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=256588

Guy

On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 03:26, David Adner wrote:
 Without using a lights-out type adapter or something else that will allow 
 me to remotely view the bootup process, is there a way to reboot a server 
 and have it automatically enter DS Restore Mode?
 
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RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR (was Remotely Boot into DS Restore Mode?)

2004-01-13 Thread Rimmerman, Russ

Wow thanks that is perfect.  Didnt even know about that.

Much appreicated.



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This whitepaper might help.


Active Directory Disaster Recovery

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechn
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RE: [ActiveDir] Happy Birthday [list owner]

2004-01-13 Thread George Arezina
Tony,
Congrats. This is one of the most useful sites I have subscribed to in the
last 3 years. The info has been more than helpful on many occasions
throughout my IT career. Keep up the good work, and thanks to creating such
a tech site with so many technical savvy subscribers.
George

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The ActiveDir.org discussion forum is 3 years old today!

The list membership has grown somewhat since the January 13th 2001 (when it
consisted of me, various friends, family, acquaintances and anyone else I
could cajole, coerce or bribe) to over 1000 today.

I might be ever-so-slightly biased, but I think this is a great technical
forum.  Thanks for making it what it is today, and especially to those of
you who give of their time to make regular, helpful and well-informed
contributions (you know who you are).


Tony

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RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster

2004-01-13 Thread deji Agba



your protection against this "CYA" type of deletion is backup. If you maintain a diligent backup of your Exchange Server, you can always do a restore to your offline server whenever you need to "prove" something. Disabling access to the "Recover Deleted Items" folder will not buy you much with a determined user who wants to cover his/her track. Shift-Del will not send deleted items to that folder, you know?




Sincerely,Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE MCSA MCP+Iwww.akomolafe.comwww.iyaburo.comDo you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon


From: Oliver MarshallSent: Tue 1/13/2004 12:07 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] GPO and the Outlook Dumpster
Because while the Recover Deleted Items addin allows you...err...recover
deleted items a user can also delete things permanently. We have had
people 'covering their tracks' by deleting emails.

I don't want to disable the feature all together as it's a useful IT
tool for managers etc, but not for users.

Olly 

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I'm just wondering why you would want to implement such a thing. 
 

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It strikes me that it might be part of the Office Administration
Templates, which can be distributed via GPOs, but aren't actually part
of the GPO settings.

http://www.microsoft.com/office/ork/2003/five/ch18/MntA04.htm

There are similar templates for Office XP and Office 2000 that might do
the trick.

Roger
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 Does anyone know a GPO setting that will allow me to prevent users 
 from accessing the Recover Deleted Items addin in Outlook ? Someone on

 an exchange mailing list said that there is a GP setting to prevent 
 this addin being loaded.
 
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RE: [ActiveDir] Happy Birthday [list owner]

2004-01-13 Thread deji Agba



Congrats, Tony. And to everyone who have been filling my head with so much "techie" stuffs since I joined this list, I say thank you for your selfless contributions. I know I have personally benefitted from your contributions.




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From: Tony MurraySent: Mon 1/12/2004 11:32 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ActiveDir] Happy Birthday [list owner]
The ActiveDir.org discussion forum is 3 years old today!

The list membership has grown somewhat since the January 13th 2001 (when it consisted of me, various friends, family, acquaintances and anyone else I could cajole, coerce or bribe) to over 1000 today.

I might be ever-so-slightly biased, but I think this is a great technical forum.  Thanks for making it what it is today, and especially to those of you who give of their time to make regular, helpful and well-informed contributions (you know who you are).

Tony

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