[ActiveDir] Missing Computer Account

2006-11-24 Thread Todd Hofert
I shot myself in the foot and as a result need a little help. I have a
Win2003 Domain. I was setting up a new PC for a user and I thought I had
inadvertantly gave it the same computer name as the users existing
computer. I found it strange that it allowed me to do that, but I
changed the name of the computer and all seemed well. That is until the
user logged off of his computer. What actually happened was I named it
properly to begin with, then when I renamed it I gave it the same name
DOH!
 
Now I cannot get the users computer to log back into the domain. I have
removed the new PC from the domain, and have renamed the user PC a
couple of times but when logging on I get Windows cannot connect to the
domain either because the domain controller is down or otherwise
unavailable, or because your computer account was not found.
 
The computer account does appear in AD and the PC does have connectivity
and is able to see the domain controller.
 
Can anyone provide instructions how to get around this and get the
computer back in the domain?
 
Thanks
Todd


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RE: [ActiveDir] Missing Computer Account

2006-11-24 Thread Francois Klopper \(Ret\)
Use network identification wizard and tell it to use the current account
in the domain

 



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Subject: [ActiveDir] Missing Computer Account

 

I shot myself in the foot and as a result need a little help. I have a
Win2003 Domain. I was setting up a new PC for a user and I thought I had
inadvertantly gave it the same computer name as the users existing
computer. I found it strange that it allowed me to do that, but I
changed the name of the computer and all seemed well. That is until the
user logged off of his computer. What actually happened was I named it
properly to begin with, then when I renamed it I gave it the same name
DOH!

 

Now I cannot get the users computer to log back into the domain. I have
removed the new PC from the domain, and have renamed the user PC a
couple of times but when logging on I get Windows cannot connect to the
domain either because the domain controller is down or otherwise
unavailable, or because your computer account was not found.

 

The computer account does appear in AD and the PC does have connectivity
and is able to see the domain controller.

 

Can anyone provide instructions how to get around this and get the
computer back in the domain?

 

Thanks

Todd

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RE: [ActiveDir] Missing Computer Account

2006-11-24 Thread Robert Rutherford
Drop it into a workgroup then try to add to the domain again I'd
also just delete the computer account  for good measure.

 

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Sent: 24 November 2006 13:36
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] Missing Computer Account

 

I shot myself in the foot and as a result need a little help. I have a
Win2003 Domain. I was setting up a new PC for a user and I thought I had
inadvertantly gave it the same computer name as the users existing
computer. I found it strange that it allowed me to do that, but I
changed the name of the computer and all seemed well. That is until the
user logged off of his computer. What actually happened was I named it
properly to begin with, then when I renamed it I gave it the same name
DOH!

 

Now I cannot get the users computer to log back into the domain. I have
removed the new PC from the domain, and have renamed the user PC a
couple of times but when logging on I get Windows cannot connect to the
domain either because the domain controller is down or otherwise
unavailable, or because your computer account was not found.

 

The computer account does appear in AD and the PC does have connectivity
and is able to see the domain controller.

 

Can anyone provide instructions how to get around this and get the
computer back in the domain?

 

Thanks

Todd

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[ActiveDir] Granting rights to 'Manage GPOs'

2006-11-24 Thread neil.ruston
I am attempting to assign rights to a service account [sys-zzz], used by
a Group Policy Management tool (3rd party) so that the service account
has the necessary rights to 'manage' all GPOs in the domain.

Aside from app specific rights, I have assigned the following rights
using GPMC scripts [scripts shown below]:

1. Create/edit GPO links at the root of the domain and all child
containers
cscript %programfiles%\gpmc\scripts\SetSOMPermissions.wsf xxx.yyy
xxx\sys-zzz /Permission:linkgpos /Inherit /Domain:xxx.yyy

2. Create new GPOs in the domain
cscript %programfiles%\gpmc\scripts\SetGPOCreationPermissions.wsf
xxx\sys-zzz /Domain:xxx.yyy

3. Edit, delete and mod security rights to all existing GPOs in the
domain
cscript %programfiles%\gpmc\scripts\GrantPermissionOnAllGPOs.wsf
xxx\sys-zzz /Permission:fulledit /Domain:xxx.yyy


To cut a long story short, step 2 does not appear to grant the required
'create' right [GP mgmt tool complains of an access denied issue].
However, if I manually (using GPMC) add the service account to the list
of objects permitted to create GPOs in the domain [instead of using the
script in step 2], then the GP Management app functions fine.

Has anyone encountered a similar issues? Are there newer version of the
GPMC scripts? [I have GPMC with SP1]

Just to add to the strangeness of this issue, if I execute the same
scripts above but against a different domain (same service account) the
3rd party app functions fine in that other domain :/

Any comments?

Thanks,
neil

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RE: [ActiveDir] Missing Computer Account

2006-11-24 Thread Christine Allen
Did you try deleting the compter account in ad?

 -Original Message-
From:   Todd Hofert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Fri Nov 24 08:38:20 2006
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject:[ActiveDir] Missing Computer Account

I shot myself in the foot and as a result need a little help. I have a
Win2003 Domain. I was setting up a new PC for a user and I thought I had
inadvertantly gave it the same computer name as the users existing
computer. I found it strange that it allowed me to do that, but I
changed the name of the computer and all seemed well. That is until the
user logged off of his computer. What actually happened was I named it
properly to begin with, then when I renamed it I gave it the same name
DOH!
 
Now I cannot get the users computer to log back into the domain. I have
removed the new PC from the domain, and have renamed the user PC a
couple of times but when logging on I get Windows cannot connect to the
domain either because the domain controller is down or otherwise
unavailable, or because your computer account was not found.
 
The computer account does appear in AD and the PC does have connectivity
and is able to see the domain controller.
 
Can anyone provide instructions how to get around this and get the
computer back in the domain?
 
Thanks
Todd


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Re: [ActiveDir] Public Folder Appointment Owner

2006-11-24 Thread Albert Duro
Try putting the calendar in Category view, then bringing in the From field.
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  To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:16 AM
  Subject: [ActiveDir] Public Folder Appointment Owner


  I would like to know how to find out who created a meeting using a calendar 
in a public folder. Right now, if I open an appointment that someone else 
created and go into the “Scheduling” tab, it shows me as the owner. If I then 
open the appointment logged on as another user, it shows that user is the 
owner. Is this a configuration issue or is it just the way it works?

   

   

  Thanks,

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Re: [ActiveDir] Scaling up with AD or ADAM?

2006-11-24 Thread Joe Kaplan
I personally don't have any experience with ADAM at big scale, but I've 
heard of some really large deployments.  Eric might be able to share some 
stories.  I wouldn't be concerned about the underlying technology, as it is 
all based on the AD core and is quite solid and mature.


I have no experience on IBM TAM, but I'd hope it can integrate with normal 
LDAP stores.  As such, I think it should work.  There probably won't be any 
support in the product for ADAM/AD features like fast concurrent binding 
that might help improve your auth performance, but that might not be a huge 
deal.  I don't think ADFS uses that either.  :)


Joe K.

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Thanks, Joe.

I'll look up Eric's blog for metrics and such ASAP.  :-)

I was thinking ADAM was the likely choice - just wasn't sure how much
production experience folks had with it (it's still new-ish), or quite
how to size it.

Re federation - that looks like a subsequent phase, and ADFS definitely
came to mind.  This customer has some IBM TAM kicking around, so that's
another choice.  Later, in either case.

Migrating users from the live directory to the archival is no big deal
-- the reason we're engaged is to put our provisioning and password
management technology in.

BTW - anyone here integrated TAM (Tivoli Access Manager -- IBM's WebSSO)
with ADAM?  Any pointers or horror stories we should know about?

Cheers,

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On Thu, 23 Nov 2006, Joe Kaplan wrote:

That's a classic scenario for ADAM.  I wouldn't use AD for that as you 
just need bind auth for users of a web app.  AD actually gives you a ton 
of stuff you don't need and some additional complexity.  ADAM scales the 
same as AD, so there is no advantage from a scale point of view to use 
AD.


I'm not sure how you would achieve the goal of the archival users in a 
separate directory as I don't know how you'll be able to migrate the 
password data in ADAM to another ADAM store.  There might be a way, but 
I'm just not sure.


I'd suggest reading up on Eric Fleischman's blog to find out some 
interesting stuff on ADAM perf and scale.  The bottom line is that as 
long as you have the disk and the CPU to handle the data store, you 
shouldn't have any problem with an ADAM instance that size.  You are many 
orders of magnitude away from the actual limits in the system.


As I am now a huge fan of federation technologies, I feel I would be 
remiss if I didn't suggest the possibility of adding that into the mix 
with ADFS. It can make a nice wrapper around your ADAM instance to serve 
as an account store and having federation capability gives you an easy 
way to link in identities from within the enterprise and also to directly 
use the identities of your business partners without having to maintain 
them in your own store. The identity lifecycle management costs of 2M+ 
users is not insignificant and users would generally rather not have to 
get a new account in your system to use it if they can avoid it.  Just a 
thought... :)


Joe K.

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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 2:54 PM
Subject: [ActiveDir] Scaling up with AD or ADAM?



Hi guys,

We're helping a customer design a large new directory, to use with an 
Extranet environment.  We see this thing scaling up to about 2 million 
active users, and up to about 10 million archival users (who no longer 
log in, but for various business reasons need to be kept around).


The active users are likely to log in every few days, and will be 
distributed around the globe.


Logins will be LDAP binds from web apps -- no file/print/etc. in scope.

Has anyone built an AD environment to this scale?

We're 

RE: [ActiveDir] Missing Computer Account

2006-11-24 Thread Todd Hofert
I have deleted the account and I have tried adding it to Workgroup, then
renaming and adding back to AD. It still will not allow log in.

Todd 

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Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 10:36 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Missing Computer Account

Did you try deleting the compter account in ad?

 -Original Message-
From:   Todd Hofert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Fri Nov 24 08:38:20 2006
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject:[ActiveDir] Missing Computer Account

I shot myself in the foot and as a result need a little help. I have a
Win2003 Domain. I was setting up a new PC for a user and I thought I had
inadvertantly gave it the same computer name as the users existing
computer. I found it strange that it allowed me to do that, but I
changed the name of the computer and all seemed well. That is until the
user logged off of his computer. What actually happened was I named it
properly to begin with, then when I renamed it I gave it the same name
DOH!
 
Now I cannot get the users computer to log back into the domain. I have
removed the new PC from the domain, and have renamed the user PC a
couple of times but when logging on I get Windows cannot connect to the
domain either because the domain controller is down or otherwise
unavailable, or because your computer account was not found.
 
The computer account does appear in AD and the PC does have connectivity
and is able to see the domain controller.
 
Can anyone provide instructions how to get around this and get the
computer back in the domain?
 
Thanks
Todd


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RE: [ActiveDir] Missing Computer Account

2006-11-24 Thread Todd Hofert
Network Identification Wizard did the trick. Thank You
 
Todd



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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Missing Computer Account



Use network identification wizard and tell it to use the current account
in the domain

 



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Hofert
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 3:36 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] Missing Computer Account

 

I shot myself in the foot and as a result need a little help. I have a
Win2003 Domain. I was setting up a new PC for a user and I thought I had
inadvertantly gave it the same computer name as the users existing
computer. I found it strange that it allowed me to do that, but I
changed the name of the computer and all seemed well. That is until the
user logged off of his computer. What actually happened was I named it
properly to begin with, then when I renamed it I gave it the same name
DOH!

 

Now I cannot get the users computer to log back into the domain. I have
removed the new PC from the domain, and have renamed the user PC a
couple of times but when logging on I get Windows cannot connect to the
domain either because the domain controller is down or otherwise
unavailable, or because your computer account was not found.

 

The computer account does appear in AD and the PC does have connectivity
and is able to see the domain controller.

 

Can anyone provide instructions how to get around this and get the
computer back in the domain?

 

Thanks

Todd

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Re: [ActiveDir] mailNickName(OT)

2006-11-24 Thread Al Mulnick

Size doesn't seem to matter when it comes to support :)

I'm with Brian on this: can you rehash the problem and post it again?

Can you include a reason the RUS isn't used to create a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] address for the users? Can you also include
what process they use to resolve collisions now in the sendmail and dirsync
processes? That may be a deciding point for you regarding your
recommendations back to your team.

It's entirely possible that the dirsync process has some logic in it to
prevent and resolve dups, which may be why the process you describe is in
use.

Al


On 11/23/06, Tom Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I ask because the reason mailNickName is in firstname.lastname
format, is due to a dirsync process that runs once a day and reads
that attribute to do an address rewrite.
When a mailbox enabled user is created, the RUS stamps it with an
[EMAIL PROTECTED].
Later, the dirsync process adds [EMAIL PROTECTED], so
when mail goes out, sendmail rewrites the RHS portion of the smtp
addy.
if mailNickName is sAMAccountName, it doesnt work.


Sometimes during the provisioning process, the lan access guys  forget
to set this attribute to that value, so the exchange team was looking
for a way to automatically generate the value in the correct format,
kinda like displayName.

I just started here about 2 months ago, so i'm not complelety sure how
the process works and i'm trying not to annoy everyone with too many
questions.

This is the first truly large corp i've ever worked for. Before i was
the AD/Exchange guy for a 3500 user financial firm. Now i'm on an 8
member Exchange team for a 110,000 user bank that you've all heard of
and i guess i'm trying to wrap my head around how a org this size
works...
i'm actually kinda surprised no one on the exchange team knows how to
script or is very knowldgable about AD.
Then again the AD team doesn't seem that knowldgable about AD.

They just migrated from EX 5.5 to EX2K3 when i started, so i guess
they are trying to get up to speed witn exchange.

i only made the MS comment because a corp this large seems to have a
lot of resurces at MS and I saw that someone from MS did their EX2K3
design doc.
I'm not under the illusion that just because someone is from MS that
they know what they are doing but i guess i have illusions about
companies this size and that they would somehow get the better support
from MS and other vendors.

Thanks for your responses and help.

On 11/22/06, Al Mulnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think I see the reason that it hasn't been as big a problem as it
could
 be. The id is not yet everywhere.  You will run into those collisions.
 Statistically (note, I'm not a statistician, but I sometimes play one on
the
 internet) your numbers are just too large not to.  When you hook in
MIIS,
 you'll start to see a lot of john smith's and you'll have to map them
and
 come up with rules to automatically resolve those if possible.  I dunno
 though, you may be an organization that enjoys manual processes.

 Even for first.lastname for smtp addresses I'm reasonably sure there's
 either a really strong nepotism policy in your organization or you've
got
 some *process* that allows for making those unique.  I've worked in much
 smaller shops that had such policies (sadly, no strong nepotism rule,
but
 that's another story altogether.)

 I second what joe says about not taking their word for anything.  I'll
go so
 far as to qualify that and say that the best answer you should get from
a
 consultant or on-site resource is it depends. What that really means
is
 that depending on the information available, your current best practice
as
 it was intended is to do x.  I can't begin to tell you how many things
that
 started from the product teams as the product only does this later
ends up
 to be,  for the love of insert your favorite deity here don't do
this!!!
  Think clustering and you'll know what I'm talking about.

 Every bit of it depends.  But Microsoft developers need more parameters
than
 it depends so they come up with scenarios.  And they narrow those down
out
 of necessity.  If you fit in that scenario, your stuff is a tested
scenario.
  If not, it's something they may have thought of but didn't think enough
 customers would use and so didn't spend time testing thoroughly - aka if
it
 works, it was meant to do that. If it does not, what the ^%$# were you
 thinking? Don't you read that (often non-existent) documentation that
 explicitly says not to do that? Or didn't you know that it wouldn't work
 like that? I mean, it's common sense right?

 Anyhow, I always remember two things about consultants - without common
 understanding, there can be no common sense (I ripped that off in case
you
 wonder) and everything should be explicitly written down.  When in doubt
ask
 for the project notes and verify that the information you're working off
of
 is explicitly stated and see if you can find out why. I can tell you if
it's
 a Microsoft employee, you should have 

Re: [ActiveDir] Granting rights to 'Manage GPOs'

2006-11-24 Thread Al Mulnick

Neil, this would seem to indicate that something else is going on: Just to
add to the strangeness of this issue, if I execute the same scripts above
but against a different domain (same service account) the 3rd party app
functions fine in that other domain :/



What is the domain it works against?  A test domain? Something more out of
the box than the domain you're running against?



On 11/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I am attempting to assign rights to a service account [sys-zzz], used by
a Group Policy Management tool (3rd party) so that the service account has
the necessary rights to 'manage' all GPOs in the domain.

Aside from app specific rights, I have assigned the following rights using
GPMC scripts [scripts shown below]:

1. Create/edit GPO links at the root of the domain and all child
containers
cscript %programfiles%\gpmc\scripts\SetSOMPermissions.wsf xxx.yyyxxx\sys-zzz 
/Permission:linkgpos /Inherit /Domain:
xxx.yyy

2. Create new GPOs in the domain
cscript %programfiles%\gpmc\scripts\SetGPOCreationPermissions.wsf
xxx\sys-zzz /Domain:xxx.yyy

3. Edit, delete and mod security rights to all existing GPOs in the domain
cscript %programfiles%\gpmc\scripts\GrantPermissionOnAllGPOs.wsf
xxx\sys-zzz /Permission:fulledit /Domain:xxx.yyy

To cut a long story short, step 2 does not appear to grant the required
'create' right [GP mgmt tool complains of an access denied issue].
However, if I manually (using GPMC) add the service account to the list of
objects permitted to create GPOs in the domain [instead of using the script
in step 2], then the GP Management app functions fine.

Has anyone encountered a similar issues? Are there newer version of the
GPMC scripts? [I have GPMC with SP1]

Just to add to the strangeness of this issue, if I execute the same
scripts above but against a different domain (same service account) the 3rd
party app functions fine in that other domain :/

Any comments?

Thanks,
neil
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Re: [ActiveDir] mailNickName(OT)

2006-11-24 Thread Albert Duro
Could I bother you for a link to your blog?  Searching on 'al mulnick blog 
mailnickname' (and various combinations thereof) got me all kinds of stuff, 
none of which seemed to be what you're referring to.
C'mon, Al, you gotta get over this shyness...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Al Mulnick 
  To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:41 AM
  Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] mailNickName(OT)


  Other than being used for access by other protocols such as pop, imap, and 
owa, last I checked it's also the value used for the x.400 like address which 
is used for mail delivery internally by Exchange.  You wouldn't want that to be 
non-unique else you might have to call somebody like joe to come in and help 
clean up :) 

  I'm surprised that this company you're at has not gone to unique values for 
this.  I'm equally surprised they don't have other issues with their Exchange 
deployment, but it's possible you haven't gotten far enough into it yet to 
notice some of them.  

  I've blogged about my thoughts regarding what should be globally unique in an 
AD/Exchange environment.  It's a long enough blog it may even be a good 
candidate for an essay or possibly a sleep aid.  

  If you want the details, have a read.  The short answer is that you want 
every user to be unique and to have a consistent and trouble-free experience.  
That keeps you from being up late at night with international customers first 
and your local in-country customers the next day. Mailnickname is one of the 
attributes that should be unique same as samaccountname and smtp address (some 
are enforced per forest, some per domain but all should be enforced regardless 
in my opinion). Since they can often feed on one another, I maintan that 
samaccountname should be the user's foundational, non-changing, never touched 
as long as that person is a member of the company in good standing, network id. 
Exchange relies on Active Directory and as such you're better following the 
same rules . 


  Al


  On 11/22/06, joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The mailnickname isn't populated in a similar way to display name. The
common ways for mailnickname generation and its population are through the
RUS, by CDOEXM, or by the special ADUC extension (and no ADUC doesn't use 
CDOEXM). This is unlike displayname which has ADUC as its common way to be
populated. Certainly they could have done something like that but they
didn't.

Changing the format is ok, most companies don't do it but some do. But if 
there is going to be a change, change to something that is guaranteed to be
unique in your organization. Display names are very often not unique;
definitely not unique at scale which is why Al said, it don't scale Go 
to any larger company in the US and type in Smith, Jones, Brown, or Johnson
in the GAL and you will likely see multiple Alan's, Andrew's, Amy's, Bob's,
Carol's, Fred's, John's, Steve's, etc... If you are multi-national try 
Chang, Chen, Gupta, Singh, Lopez, Hernandez, Jannsen, Smit, Larsen, Berg,
Schulz, or Schmidt.

The attribute is used quite a bit in Exchange. Where all it is used I will
let some Exchange person respond if they want, but look quickly at a 
mailbox 
enabled user and check how many times you see the value. Note that none of
the other attributes that use mailNickname in their initial generation will
change if you change mailnickname, you absolutely wouldn't want that or 
else 
it would break certain types of delivery for that user. I have seen some
nasty issues in larger orgs that resulted in mailNicknames not being unique.
The problems can be solved by mechanisms other than unique mailNicknames 
but 
unique mailNicknames is by far the easiest way to handle it. I have a tool
that reports bad Exchange attribute settings in an Org and duplicate
mailNickname is one of them that I flag as fairly high priority due to my 
experiences.

  joe


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Kern
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 10:07 PM 
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] mailNickName(OT)

well, the company i currently work for sets the mailNickName of all
users to  firstname.lastname.
I didnt know there was any issue with changing the format of that attribute.

we have around 110,000 users mixed between Exchange and Lotus Domino
and this is the format they have been using(why, i'm not sure, I just 
started here)

I thought there could be a way to change the default format of the
mailNickName attribute the same way you could change the format of the
displayname.

What issues can arise by changing the mailNickname format. 

I mean, what is this attibute for used