Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
Yes, I saw this too, It is also mentioned in the redbook "TSM 4.2 :
Technical Guide" page 13 (Sanergy exploitation)
Wouter Verschaeve.
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Van: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens Linda
Seeba
Verzonden: donderdag 15 november 2001 14:10
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Onderwerp: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
I used the documentation - Tivoli Storage Manager for Sun Solaris Managed
System for SAN Storage Agent User's Guide Version 4 Release 2 GC36-0002-01
to assist with my implementation. This documentation states that you need
SanEnergy for sharing Disk Storage by using a File library. I'm not not
using disk storage so I don't know if this is true and there are other
errors in this documentation but in general it was a great help with
implementing my configuration.
Linda Seeba Phone: (314) 234-5190
I/T Specialist - Sr Fax: (314) 232-4581
IBM Global Services E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi
Doesn't that depend of the setting of "Mount limit" that you set on you
shared FILE deviceclass?
There shouldn't be a problem having multiple clients mount multiple mount
points, as long as you have the mount limit to a number higher than
the number of clients.
I am well aware of that in 3.7.X and 4.1.X, you needed SANergy to use a
diskpool. But this should have been solved in 4.2, where Tivoli integrated
parts of SANergy into TSM.
This is how I have been explained to by Tivoli's support.
Best Regards
Daniel Sparrman
---
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Bergkdllavdgen 31D
192 79 SOLLENTUNA
Vdxel: 08 - 754 98 00
Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51
Wouter V
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But then you need Sanergy I believe + you can only backup with one client
at
a time to the shared file space .
So client 1 mounts the San-diskspace, makes it backup, unmounts
Client 2 mounts the san-diskspace (fused), makes it backup, unmount and so
on...
Tell me if I'm wrong.
Regards,
Wouter.
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Sparrman
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Onderwerp: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
Hi Linda
To backup your data to a SAN-attached disk device is possible.
All you have to do is to create a shared FILE-device, and then instead of
backing up to tape, backup to the FILE device.
According to Tivoli, this is a supported configuration, and the information
can be found on the Tivoli website.
Best Regards
Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
I used the documentation - Tivoli Storage Manager for Sun Solaris Managed
System for SAN Storage Agent User's Guide Version 4 Release 2 GC36-0002-01
to assist with my implementation. This documentation states that you need
SanEnergy for sharing Disk Storage by using a File library. I'm not not
using disk storage so I don't know if this is true and there are other
errors in this documentation but in general it was a great help with
implementing my configuration.
Linda Seeba Phone: (314) 234-5190
I/T Specialist - Sr Fax: (314) 232-4581
IBM Global Services E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Forwarded by Linda Seeba/St Louis/IBM on 11/15/2001
07:04 AM ---
Daniel Sparrman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@VM.MARIST.EDU> on 11/14/2001
09:19:23 AM
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Subject: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
Hi
Doesn't that depend of the setting of "Mount limit" that you set on you
shared FILE deviceclass?
There shouldn't be a problem having multiple clients mount multiple mount
points, as long as you have the mount limit to a number higher than
the number of clients.
I am well aware of that in 3.7.X and 4.1.X, you needed SANergy to use a
diskpool. But this should have been solved in 4.2, where Tivoli integrated
parts of SANergy into TSM.
This is how I have been explained to by Tivoli's support.
Best Regards
Daniel Sparrman
---
Daniel Sparrman
Exist i Stockholm AB
Bergkällavägen 31D
192 79 SOLLENTUNA
Växel: 08 - 754 98 00
Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51
Wouter V
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But then you need Sanergy I believe + you can only backup with one client
at
a time to the shared file space .
So client 1 mounts the San-diskspace, makes it backup, unmounts
Client 2 mounts the san-diskspace (fused), makes it backup, unmount and so
on...
Tell me if I'm wrong.
Regards,
Wouter.
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Van: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens Daniel
Sparrman
Verzonden: woensdag 14 november 2001 15:07
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Onderwerp: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
Hi Linda
To backup your data to a SAN-attached disk device is possible.
All you have to do is to create a shared FILE-device, and then instead of
backing up to tape, backup to the FILE device.
According to Tivoli, this is a supported configuration, and the information
can be found on the Tivoli website.
Best Regards
Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
OK you could write it in better terms then I, but that's what I wanted to hear. Thank you all for your responses ! The mailings about this subject were very instructive. I wonder what TSM 5.x will bring concerning LAN-Free and serverless backups. Regards, Wouter Verschaeve -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens Bill Mansfield Verzonden: woensdag 14 november 2001 17:51 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup Actually from SAN disk to TSM client, then from TSM client to SAN Tape (or disk with SANergy) storage - twice across the SAN. Some variety of Serverless backup is promised in TSM 5.x next year. _ William Mansfield Senior Consultant Solution Technology, Inc 630 718 4238 Wouter V cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] RIST.EDU> 11/14/2001 09:57 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" OK, I can accept that : it means that data transfers twice over the SAN : from disk to server and from disk to SAN tape storage, wright ?
Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
Actually from SAN disk to TSM client, then from TSM client to SAN Tape (or
disk with SANergy) storage - twice across the SAN. Some variety of
Serverless backup is promised in TSM 5.x next year.
_
William Mansfield
Senior Consultant
Solution Technology, Inc
630 718 4238
Wouter V
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OK, I can accept that : it means that data transfers twice over the SAN :
from disk to server and from disk to SAN
tape storage, wright ?
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Mansfield
Verzonden: woensdag 14 november 2001 16:00
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Onderwerp: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
Regarding your 4th bullet, there is no Server Less backup as yet. In all
cases the data must be passed through a server between the SAN disk storage
and the SAN tape storage.
_
William Mansfield
Senior Consultant
Solution Technology, Inc
Wouter V
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"ADSM: Dist
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Hello,
I will soon implement my first TSM Server on a SAN network.
The SAN is connected with a MA8000 storage server, 5 NT clients, and 1 Sun
Unix server
Each machine has local disk + san-attached storage and will use TDP for
oracle to make backups
(data on the MA8000).
I read that a backup/archive of regular files is also possible since TSM
4.2.
Now, is it correct that with LAN-Free backup :
- I can't use diskpools (on the SAN), with migration (next
storage pool)
to the tapelibrary, over the SAN ?
- You always make a "direct connection" from the backup
client to the
storage device which takes the backup
(tape). So data transfers twice through the SAN-switch ?
>From the
MA8000 storage server to the client
(storage agent) and then, from the client to the tape
library ?
- The maximum number of concurrent clientbackups is limited
to the number
of drives in the library('s) ?
Because we can't use a SAN diskpool as destination the
number of mount
points is limited to the number of
drives ? (disk has unlimited number of mountpoints)
- If I want to do Serverless backup / use SAN diskpools I
need Sanergy ?
Can you give me any advices concerning LAN-Free / Serverless backup ?
Thank you for your help.
Wouter V.
Unix System Engineer.
Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
>From the 4.2 reference manual, under define devclass -- File Tivoli ANergy version 2.2 is a prerequisite for storage to be shared |by the server and storage agent. Tivoli SANergy must be installed and |configured before you define the device class. | As I understand it, any number of clients can use a SANergy file device class simultaneously; they will all write to different files. _ William Mansfield Senior Consultant Solution Technology, Inc 630 718 4238 Daniel Sparrman cc: Sent by: "ADSM: Subject: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] T.EDU> 11/14/2001 08:49 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" According to Tivoli, SANergy is not necessary using TSM 4.2.X. http://www.tivoli.com/products/documents/updates/storage_mgr_42_enhancements.html Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Bergkällavägen 31D 192 79 SOLLENTUNA Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51
Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
OK, I can accept that : it means that data transfers twice over the SAN :
from disk to server and from disk to SAN
tape storage, wright ?
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens Bill
Mansfield
Verzonden: woensdag 14 november 2001 16:00
Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Onderwerp: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
Regarding your 4th bullet, there is no Server Less backup as yet. In all
cases the data must be passed through a server between the SAN disk storage
and the SAN tape storage.
_
William Mansfield
Senior Consultant
Solution Technology, Inc
Wouter V
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"ADSM: Dist
Stor Manager"
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06:44 AM
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"ADSM: Dist
Stor Manager"
Hello,
I will soon implement my first TSM Server on a SAN network.
The SAN is connected with a MA8000 storage server, 5 NT clients, and 1 Sun
Unix server
Each machine has local disk + san-attached storage and will use TDP for
oracle to make backups
(data on the MA8000).
I read that a backup/archive of regular files is also possible since TSM
4.2.
Now, is it correct that with LAN-Free backup :
- I can't use diskpools (on the SAN), with migration (next
storage pool)
to the tapelibrary, over the SAN ?
- You always make a "direct connection" from the backup
client to the
storage device which takes the backup
(tape). So data transfers twice through the SAN-switch ?
>From the
MA8000 storage server to the client
(storage agent) and then, from the client to the tape
library ?
- The maximum number of concurrent clientbackups is limited
to the number
of drives in the library('s) ?
Because we can't use a SAN diskpool as destination the
number of mount
points is limited to the number of
drives ? (disk has unlimited number of mountpoints)
- If I want to do Serverless backup / use SAN diskpools I
need Sanergy ?
Can you give me any advices concerning LAN-Free / Serverless backup ?
Thank you for your help.
Wouter V.
Unix System Engineer.
Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
Regarding your 4th bullet, there is no Server Less backup as yet. In all
cases the data must be passed through a server between the SAN disk storage
and the SAN tape storage.
_
William Mansfield
Senior Consultant
Solution Technology, Inc
Wouter V
cc:
Sent by: Subject: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
"ADSM: Dist
Stor Manager"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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06:44 AM
Please
respond to
"ADSM: Dist
Stor Manager"
Hello,
I will soon implement my first TSM Server on a SAN network.
The SAN is connected with a MA8000 storage server, 5 NT clients, and 1 Sun
Unix server
Each machine has local disk + san-attached storage and will use TDP for
oracle to make backups
(data on the MA8000).
I read that a backup/archive of regular files is also possible since TSM
4.2.
Now, is it correct that with LAN-Free backup :
- I can't use diskpools (on the SAN), with migration (next
storage pool)
to the tapelibrary, over the SAN ?
- You always make a "direct connection" from the backup
client to the
storage device which takes the backup
(tape). So data transfers twice through the SAN-switch ?
>From the
MA8000 storage server to the client
(storage agent) and then, from the client to the tape
library ?
- The maximum number of concurrent clientbackups is limited
to the number
of drives in the library('s) ?
Because we can't use a SAN diskpool as destination the
number of mount
points is limited to the number of
drives ? (disk has unlimited number of mountpoints)
- If I want to do Serverless backup / use SAN diskpools I
need Sanergy ?
Can you give me any advices concerning LAN-Free / Serverless backup ?
Thank you for your help.
Wouter V.
Unix System Engineer.
Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
Hmmm, this seems to be an open question for many of us.
What I don't understand is how TSM can manage to make a SAN-attached disk
device available (for storage pool backup) at the same time for multiple
clients ? When a disk is assigned to one host, how is it possible to assign
it also to another host ? "Switching the storage between hosts seems
feasible", but concurrent ?
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens Bill
Mansfield
Verzonden: woensdag 14 november 2001 15:48
Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Onderwerp: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
This requires SANergy, I think, to manage the sharing of the disk pool
between the client and the TSM server.
_
William Mansfield
Senior Consultant
Solution Technology, Inc
630 718 4238
Daniel Sparrman
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Stor Manager"
Hi Linda
To backup your data to a SAN-attached disk device is possible.
All you have to do is to create a shared FILE-device, and then instead of
backing up to tape, backup to the FILE device.
According to Tivoli, this is a supported configuration, and the information
can be found on the Tivoli website.
Best Regards
Daniel Sparrman
---
Daniel Sparrman
Exist i Stockholm AB
Bergkdllavdgen 31D
192 79 SOLLENTUNA
Vdxel: 08 - 754 98 00
Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51
Linda Seeba
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.COM>cc:
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I just implemented LanFree backups across a SAN for Solaris. I have one
Solaris client , a Solaris TSM server, and an IBM 3583 LTO tape library all
connected to a SAN. We are not using a TDP yet but are backing up all files
LanFree directly to tape.
You cannot have a disk storage pool defined at all in the domain you are
using for LanFree backups.
The backup will go directly to tape unless there is a problem with the SAN
then it will go to the TSM server across the LAN.
Your mount points cannot exceed your defined tape drives.
The documentation states to use disk storage you can use SanEnergy but we
haven't looked at this.
The only problem we have had is storage agent sessions that start every
couple of hours and hang up on the TSM server. So far it seems they do not
time out. We have been cancelling them and are working with TSM support to
fix this problem.
Linda Seeba Phone: (314) 234-5190
I/T Specialist - Sr Fax: (314) 232-4581
IBM Global Services E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Forwarded by Linda Seeba/St Louis/IBM on 11/14/2001
07:12 AM ---
Wouter V <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@VM.MARIST.EDU> on 11/14/2001 06:44:01 AM
Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:
Subject: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
Hello,
I will soon implement my first TSM Server on a SAN network.
The SAN is connected with a MA8000 storage server, 5 NT clients, and 1 Sun
Unix server
Each machine has local disk + san-attached storage and will use TDP for
oracle to make backups
(data on the MA8000).
I read that a backup/archive of regular files is also possible since TSM
4.2.
Now, is it correct that with LAN-Free backup :
- I can't use diskpools (on the SAN), with migration (next
storage pool)
to the tapelibrary, over the SAN ?
- You always make a "direct connection" from the backup
client to the
storage device which takes the backup
(tape). So data transfers twice through the SAN-switch ?
>From the
MA8000 storage server to the client
(storage agent) and then, from the client to the tape
library ?
- The maximum number of concurrent clientbackups is limited
to the number
of drives in the library('s) ?
Because we can't use a SAN diskpool as destination the
number of mount
points is limited to the number of
Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
Hi Doesn't that depend of the setting of "Mount limit" that you set on you shared FILE deviceclass? There shouldn't be a problem having multiple clients mount multiple mount points, as long as you have the mount limit to a number higher than the number of clients. I am well aware of that in 3.7.X and 4.1.X, you needed SANergy to use a diskpool. But this should have been solved in 4.2, where Tivoli integrated parts of SANergy into TSM. This is how I have been explained to by Tivoli's support. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Bergkällavägen 31D 192 79 SOLLENTUNA Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Wouter V cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] RIST.EDU> 2001-11-14 15:42 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" But then you need Sanergy I believe + you can only backup with one client at a time to the shared file space . So client 1 mounts the San-diskspace, makes it backup, unmounts Client 2 mounts the san-diskspace (fused), makes it backup, unmount and so on... Tell me if I'm wrong. Regards, Wouter. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens Daniel Sparrman Verzonden: woensdag 14 november 2001 15:07 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup Hi Linda To backup your data to a SAN-attached disk device is possible. All you have to do is to create a shared FILE-device, and then instead of backing up to tape, backup to the FILE device. According to Tivoli, this is a supported configuration, and the information can be found on the Tivoli website. Best Regards
Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
This requires SANergy, I think, to manage the sharing of the disk pool between the client and the TSM server. _ William Mansfield Senior Consultant Solution Technology, Inc 630 718 4238 Daniel Sparrman cc: Sent by: "ADSM: Subject: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] T.EDU> 11/14/2001 08:07 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" Hi Linda To backup your data to a SAN-attached disk device is possible. All you have to do is to create a shared FILE-device, and then instead of backing up to tape, backup to the FILE device. According to Tivoli, this is a supported configuration, and the information can be found on the Tivoli website. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Bergkällavägen 31D 192 79 SOLLENTUNA Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Linda Seeba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .COM>cc: Sent by: Subject: LAN Free (SAN) Backup "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] RIST.EDU> 2001-11-14 14:21 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" I just implemented LanFree backups across a SAN for Solaris. I have one Solaris client , a Solaris TSM server, and an IBM 3583 LTO tape library all connected to a SAN. We are not using a TDP yet but are backing up all files LanFree directly to tape. You cannot have a disk storage pool defined at all in the domain you are using for LanFree backups. The backup will go directly to tape unless there is a problem with the SAN then it will go to the TSM server across the LAN. Your mount points cannot exceed your defined tape drives. The documentation states to use disk storage you can use SanEnergy but we haven't looked at this. The only problem we have had is storage agent sessions that start every couple of hours and hang up on the TSM server. So far it seems they do not time out. We have been cancelling them and are working with TSM support to fix this problem. Linda Seeba Phone: (314) 234-5190 I/T Specialist - Sr Fax: (314) 232-4581 IBM Global Services E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded by Linda Seeba/St Louis/IBM on 11/14/2001 07:12 AM --- Wouter V <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@VM.MARIST.EDU> on 11/14/2001 06:44:01 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: LAN Free (SAN) Backup Hello, I will soon implement my first TSM Server on a SAN network. The SAN is connected with a MA8000 storage server, 5 NT clients, and 1 Sun Unix server Eac
Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
See my later answers... :) Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Bergkällavägen 31D 192 79 SOLLENTUNA Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Linda Seeba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .COM>cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] RIST.EDU> 2001-11-14 15:37 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" Isn't this where you have to use SanEnergy? Linda Seeba Phone: (314) 234-5190 I/T Specialist - Sr Fax: (314) 232-4581 IBM Global Services E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded by Linda Seeba/St Louis/IBM on 11/14/2001 08:36 AM --- Daniel Sparrman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@VM.MARIST.EDU> on 11/14/2001 08:07:04 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup Hi Linda To backup your data to a SAN-attached disk device is possible. All you have to do is to create a shared FILE-device, and then instead of backing up to tape, backup to the FILE device. According to Tivoli, this is a supported configuration, and the information can be found on the Tivoli website. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Bergkällavägen 31D 192 79 SOLLENTUNA Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Linda Seeba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .COM>cc: Sent by: Subject: LAN Free (SAN) Backup "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] RIST.EDU> 2001-11-14 14:21 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" I just implemented LanFree backups across a SAN for Solaris. I have one Solaris client , a Solaris TSM server, and an IBM 3583 LTO tape library all connected to a SAN. We are not using a TDP yet but are backing up all files LanFree directly to tape. You cannot have a disk storage pool defined at all in the domain you are using for LanFree backups. The backup will go directly to tape unless there is a problem with the SAN then it will go to the TSM server across the LAN. Your mount points cannot exceed your defined tape drives. The documentation states to use disk storage you can use SanEnergy but we haven't looked at this. The only problem we have had is storage agent sessions that start every couple of hours and hang up on the TSM server. So far it seems th
Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
Isn't this where you have to use SanEnergy?
Linda Seeba Phone: (314) 234-5190
I/T Specialist - Sr Fax: (314) 232-4581
IBM Global Services E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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08:36 AM ---
Daniel Sparrman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@VM.MARIST.EDU> on 11/14/2001
08:07:04 AM
Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cc:
Subject: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
Hi Linda
To backup your data to a SAN-attached disk device is possible.
All you have to do is to create a shared FILE-device, and then instead of
backing up to tape, backup to the FILE device.
According to Tivoli, this is a supported configuration, and the information
can be found on the Tivoli website.
Best Regards
Daniel Sparrman
---
Daniel Sparrman
Exist i Stockholm AB
Bergkällavägen 31D
192 79 SOLLENTUNA
Växel: 08 - 754 98 00
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Linda Seeba
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I just implemented LanFree backups across a SAN for Solaris. I have one
Solaris client , a Solaris TSM server, and an IBM 3583 LTO tape library all
connected to a SAN. We are not using a TDP yet but are backing up all files
LanFree directly to tape.
You cannot have a disk storage pool defined at all in the domain you are
using for LanFree backups.
The backup will go directly to tape unless there is a problem with the SAN
then it will go to the TSM server across the LAN.
Your mount points cannot exceed your defined tape drives.
The documentation states to use disk storage you can use SanEnergy but we
haven't looked at this.
The only problem we have had is storage agent sessions that start every
couple of hours and hang up on the TSM server. So far it seems they do not
time out. We have been cancelling them and are working with TSM support to
fix this problem.
Linda Seeba Phone: (314) 234-5190
I/T Specialist - Sr Fax: (314) 232-4581
IBM Global Services E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Wouter V <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@VM.MARIST.EDU> on 11/14/2001 06:44:01 AM
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Subject: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
Hello,
I will soon implement my first TSM Server on a SAN network.
The SAN is connected with a MA8000 storage server, 5 NT clients, and 1 Sun
Unix server
Each machine has local disk + san-attached storage and will use TDP for
oracle to make backups
(data on the MA8000).
I read that a backup/archive of regular files is also possible since TSM
4.2.
Now, is it correct that with LAN-Free backup :
- I can't use diskpools (on the SAN), with migration (next
storage pool)
to the tapelibrary, over the SAN ?
- You always make a "direct connection" from the backup
client to the
storage device which takes the backup
(tape). So data transfers twice through the SAN-switch ?
>From the
MA8000 storage server to the client
(storage agent) and then, from the client to the
tapelibrary ?
- The maximum number of concurrent clientbackups is limited
to the number
of drives in the library('s) ?
Because we can't use a SAN diskpool as destination the
number of mount
points is limited to the number of
drives ? (disk has unlimited number of mountpoints)
- If I want to do Serverless backup / use SAN diskpools I
need Sanergy ?
Can you give me any advices concerning LAN-Free / Serverless backup ?
Thank you for your help.
Wouter V.
Unix System Engineer.
Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
But then you need Sanergy I believe + you can only backup with one client at a time to the shared file space . So client 1 mounts the San-diskspace, makes it backup, unmounts Client 2 mounts the san-diskspace (fused), makes it backup, unmount and so on... Tell me if I'm wrong. Regards, Wouter. -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens Daniel Sparrman Verzonden: woensdag 14 november 2001 15:07 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup Hi Linda To backup your data to a SAN-attached disk device is possible. All you have to do is to create a shared FILE-device, and then instead of backing up to tape, backup to the FILE device. According to Tivoli, this is a supported configuration, and the information can be found on the Tivoli website. Best Regards
Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
According to Tivoli, SANergy is not necessary using TSM 4.2.X. http://www.tivoli.com/products/documents/updates/storage_mgr_42_enhancements.html Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Bergkällavägen 31D 192 79 SOLLENTUNA Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51
Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
Not with version 4.2. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Bergkällavägen 31D 192 79 SOLLENTUNA Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Linda Seeba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .COM>cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] RIST.EDU> 2001-11-14 15:37 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" Isn't this where you have to use SanEnergy? Linda Seeba Phone: (314) 234-5190 I/T Specialist - Sr Fax: (314) 232-4581 IBM Global Services E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded by Linda Seeba/St Louis/IBM on 11/14/2001 08:36 AM --- Daniel Sparrman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@VM.MARIST.EDU> on 11/14/2001 08:07:04 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup Hi Linda To backup your data to a SAN-attached disk device is possible. All you have to do is to create a shared FILE-device, and then instead of backing up to tape, backup to the FILE device. According to Tivoli, this is a supported configuration, and the information can be found on the Tivoli website. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Bergkällavägen 31D 192 79 SOLLENTUNA Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Linda Seeba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .COM>cc: Sent by: Subject: LAN Free (SAN) Backup "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] RIST.EDU> 2001-11-14 14:21 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" I just implemented LanFree backups across a SAN for Solaris. I have one Solaris client , a Solaris TSM server, and an IBM 3583 LTO tape library all connected to a SAN. We are not using a TDP yet but are backing up all files LanFree directly to tape. You cannot have a disk storage pool defined at all in the domain you are using for LanFree backups. The backup will go directly to tape unless there is a problem with the SAN then it will go to the TSM server across the LAN. Your mount points cannot exceed your defined tape drives. The documentation states to use disk storage you can use SanEnergy but we haven't looked at this. The only problem we have had is storage agent sessions that start every couple of hours and hang up on the TSM server. So far it seems th
Re: LAN Free (SAN) Backup
Hi Linda To backup your data to a SAN-attached disk device is possible. All you have to do is to create a shared FILE-device, and then instead of backing up to tape, backup to the FILE device. According to Tivoli, this is a supported configuration, and the information can be found on the Tivoli website. Best Regards Daniel Sparrman --- Daniel Sparrman Exist i Stockholm AB Bergkällavägen 31D 192 79 SOLLENTUNA Växel: 08 - 754 98 00 Mobil: 070 - 399 27 51 Linda Seeba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .COM>cc: Sent by: Subject: LAN Free (SAN) Backup "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] RIST.EDU> 2001-11-14 14:21 Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" I just implemented LanFree backups across a SAN for Solaris. I have one Solaris client , a Solaris TSM server, and an IBM 3583 LTO tape library all connected to a SAN. We are not using a TDP yet but are backing up all files LanFree directly to tape. You cannot have a disk storage pool defined at all in the domain you are using for LanFree backups. The backup will go directly to tape unless there is a problem with the SAN then it will go to the TSM server across the LAN. Your mount points cannot exceed your defined tape drives. The documentation states to use disk storage you can use SanEnergy but we haven't looked at this. The only problem we have had is storage agent sessions that start every couple of hours and hang up on the TSM server. So far it seems they do not time out. We have been cancelling them and are working with TSM support to fix this problem. Linda Seeba Phone: (314) 234-5190 I/T Specialist - Sr Fax: (314) 232-4581 IBM Global Services E-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded by Linda Seeba/St Louis/IBM on 11/14/2001 07:12 AM --- Wouter V <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>@VM.MARIST.EDU> on 11/14/2001 06:44:01 AM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: LAN Free (SAN) Backup Hello, I will soon implement my first TSM Server on a SAN network. The SAN is connected with a MA8000 storage server, 5 NT clients, and 1 Sun Unix server Each machine has local disk + san-attached storage and will use TDP for oracle to make backups (data on the MA8000). I read that a backup/archive of regular files is also possible since TSM 4.2. Now, is it correct that with LAN-Free backup : - I can't use diskpools (on the SAN), with migration (next storage pool) to the tapelibrary, over the SAN ? - You always make a "direct connection" from the backup client to the storage device which takes the backup (tape). So data transfers twice through the SAN-switch ? >From the MA8000 storage server to the client (storage agent) and then, from the client to the
