Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions

[Adair Winter]

We outgrew the box is why we switched. We tried to go with procera virtual
which was procera on your own (to their spec) box but it was riddled with
problems. A appliance the next size up with $70k and we were not ready to
drop that kind of money on it. although I kinda wish we would have. Saisei
has had weird UDP traffic flow issues. We've had Voip and VPN issues where
we've had to bypass customers around the box until we rebooted. Thought it
was fixed but it's returned again.
Gonna give pressem a try and see what happens. If it doesn't work not sure
what we will do. Only real option is mikrotik queues. I guess.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 8:53 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> The biggest thing we are looking for is being able to keep customer
> experience high even while they're using their plan. Our problem now is
> someone will be using 50Mb/s sustained on the down, and their pings go high
> and experience is worse than it should be. Trying to get buffer bloat down,
> being able to prioritize different traffic behind others is nice as well.
> We will see what happens.
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:47 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> Also testing out Preseem. Signed up at wispa, just got the boxes in the
>> network and can't wait to see what it can do.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:29 PM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Honestly, we loved procera. We are currently with Saisei but not overly
>>> happy.
>>> About to do a preseem demo.
>>> I can send more detail if you'd like later. On mobile now.
>>>
>>> Adair
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018, 5:10 PM Ken Hohhof >>
 Once upon a time there was just Procera.  Then there was Saisei and
 then Preseem.  As of the recent WISPAPALOOZA it seems we also have Bequant,
 which bills their product as a TCP proxy, which is not really what I’m
 looking for.



 Can anyone relate success or horror stories with any of these, on or
 off list?  I have at least one WISP recommending Preseem, and they seem
 like the latest hot thing.  I am confused as to whether Sandvine/Procera is
 still selling to the WISP market, and if so, what is their sales channel.
 I just got off a conference call with Saisei, and everything sounded
 reasonably good, no red flags.



 I could go ahead with a trial license from one of these guys, but it
 would be good to know who is using what and how they like it.  Anybody can
 have a good Powerpoint presentation, the question is, how does it work in
 the real world.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti phone support? (big problem with all GPON OLTs)

[Ken Hohhof]

Ubiquiti is no different from most modern companies.  Let the customers find 
the bugs, and provide their own support via forums and “the community”.  It 
reminds me of a course I once took at IIT at a remote site via TV, every 
student had to present a paper which meant going downtown to campus when your 
turn came.  When my turn came, I discovered the professor had gone back to Iran 
for a couple months and the students were teaching the course.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 7:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti phone support? (big problem with all GPON OLTs)

 

I wonder if UBNT was legit if their market share would be higher

 

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 5:36 PM Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@murcevilo.com> > wrote:

Have you received a call back yet? If not I can see if I can push it up the 
support chain and get either James or Jordan to give you a call. 

 

Cameron

 

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 3:55 PM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 11/12/18 1:33 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
> Is there a phone number for Ubiquiti support? Can't find on website. 
> We're about to go live on a GPON fiber deployment where we were looking 
> to use their OLTs, but every OLT that we have tried (3 brand new units) 
> has the same problem in production that wasn't seen in testing - the 
> data port disconnects after 10minutes and 15seconds, requires OLT 
> reboot. This is on the newest firmware.
> 
> Their e-mail tech support asks a question and then takes hours to reply 
> - it's been days without much progress. I am not asking for super-fast 
> support, but we'd like someone who can look at our case more than twice 
> a day.


Forums or email really. Otherwise consider other vendors and factor in 
what their support options are if it's something critical enough where 
you might need more support options than forums or email.

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Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions

[Ryan Ray]

The biggest thing we are looking for is being able to keep customer
experience high even while they're using their plan. Our problem now is
someone will be using 50Mb/s sustained on the down, and their pings go high
and experience is worse than it should be. Trying to get buffer bloat down,
being able to prioritize different traffic behind others is nice as well.
We will see what happens.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:47 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> Also testing out Preseem. Signed up at wispa, just got the boxes in the
> network and can't wait to see what it can do.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:29 PM Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
>> Honestly, we loved procera. We are currently with Saisei but not overly
>> happy.
>> About to do a preseem demo.
>> I can send more detail if you'd like later. On mobile now.
>>
>> Adair
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018, 5:10 PM Ken Hohhof >
>>> Once upon a time there was just Procera.  Then there was Saisei and then
>>> Preseem.  As of the recent WISPAPALOOZA it seems we also have Bequant,
>>> which bills their product as a TCP proxy, which is not really what I’m
>>> looking for.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can anyone relate success or horror stories with any of these, on or off
>>> list?  I have at least one WISP recommending Preseem, and they seem like
>>> the latest hot thing.  I am confused as to whether Sandvine/Procera is
>>> still selling to the WISP market, and if so, what is their sales channel.
>>> I just got off a conference call with Saisei, and everything sounded
>>> reasonably good, no red flags.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I could go ahead with a trial license from one of these guys, but it
>>> would be good to know who is using what and how they like it.  Anybody can
>>> have a good Powerpoint presentation, the question is, how does it work in
>>> the real world.
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Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions

[Ken Hohhof]

Yes, if you’ve looked at all three, that would be fantastic.  On list, or off 
list to khohhof “at” kwom.com.

 

If you loved Procera, why did you switch?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adair Winter
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 8:28 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions

 

Honestly, we loved procera. We are currently with Saisei but not overly happy.

About to do a preseem demo. 

I can send more detail if you'd like later. On mobile now. 

 

Adair 

 

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018, 5:10 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>  wrote:

Once upon a time there was just Procera.  Then there was Saisei and then 
Preseem.  As of the recent WISPAPALOOZA it seems we also have Bequant, which 
bills their product as a TCP proxy, which is not really what I’m looking for.

 

Can anyone relate success or horror stories with any of these, on or off list?  
I have at least one WISP recommending Preseem, and they seem like the latest 
hot thing.  I am confused as to whether Sandvine/Procera is still selling to 
the WISP market, and if so, what is their sales channel.  I just got off a 
conference call with Saisei, and everything sounded reasonably good, no red 
flags.

 

I could go ahead with a trial license from one of these guys, but it would be 
good to know who is using what and how they like it.  Anybody can have a good 
Powerpoint presentation, the question is, how does it work in the real world. 

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Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions

[Ryan Ray]

Also testing out Preseem. Signed up at wispa, just got the boxes in the
network and can't wait to see what it can do.


On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:29 PM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> Honestly, we loved procera. We are currently with Saisei but not overly
> happy.
> About to do a preseem demo.
> I can send more detail if you'd like later. On mobile now.
>
> Adair
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018, 5:10 PM Ken Hohhof 
>> Once upon a time there was just Procera.  Then there was Saisei and then
>> Preseem.  As of the recent WISPAPALOOZA it seems we also have Bequant,
>> which bills their product as a TCP proxy, which is not really what I’m
>> looking for.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can anyone relate success or horror stories with any of these, on or off
>> list?  I have at least one WISP recommending Preseem, and they seem like
>> the latest hot thing.  I am confused as to whether Sandvine/Procera is
>> still selling to the WISP market, and if so, what is their sales channel.
>> I just got off a conference call with Saisei, and everything sounded
>> reasonably good, no red flags.
>>
>>
>>
>> I could go ahead with a trial license from one of these guys, but it
>> would be good to know who is using what and how they like it.  Anybody can
>> have a good Powerpoint presentation, the question is, how does it work in
>> the real world.
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Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions

[Adair Winter]

Honestly, we loved procera. We are currently with Saisei but not overly
happy.
About to do a preseem demo.
I can send more detail if you'd like later. On mobile now.

Adair

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018, 5:10 PM Ken Hohhof  Once upon a time there was just Procera.  Then there was Saisei and then
> Preseem.  As of the recent WISPAPALOOZA it seems we also have Bequant,
> which bills their product as a TCP proxy, which is not really what I’m
> looking for.
>
>
>
> Can anyone relate success or horror stories with any of these, on or off
> list?  I have at least one WISP recommending Preseem, and they seem like
> the latest hot thing.  I am confused as to whether Sandvine/Procera is
> still selling to the WISP market, and if so, what is their sales channel.
> I just got off a conference call with Saisei, and everything sounded
> reasonably good, no red flags.
>
>
>
> I could go ahead with a trial license from one of these guys, but it would
> be good to know who is using what and how they like it.  Anybody can have a
> good Powerpoint presentation, the question is, how does it work in the real
> world.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - top supercomputer list 11/11/18

[Tim Hardy]

All of MCI’s engineering in the 70s was done via time-share on a CDC 6600 owned 
by Boeing..

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 12, 2018, at 8:03 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Or the CDC 6600 that ran my FORTRAN IV punch card decks in college in the 
> late 60’s, early 70’s?  I think it was considered the first supercomputer.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
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> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - top supercomputer list 11/11/18
>  
> Where does the Cray YMP I played with in 1992 fall?
>  
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> https://www.top500.org/news/china-extends-supercomputer-share-on-top500-list-us-dominates-in-total-performance/
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti phone support? (big problem with all GPON OLTs)

[Steve Jones]

I wonder if UBNT was legit if their market share would be higher

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 5:36 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Have you received a call back yet? If not I can see if I can push it up
> the support chain and get either James or Jordan to give you a call.
>
> Cameron
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 3:55 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 11/12/18 1:33 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>> > Is there a phone number for Ubiquiti support? Can't find on website.
>> > We're about to go live on a GPON fiber deployment where we were looking
>> > to use their OLTs, but every OLT that we have tried (3 brand new units)
>> > has the same problem in production that wasn't seen in testing - the
>> > data port disconnects after 10minutes and 15seconds, requires OLT
>> > reboot. This is on the newest firmware.
>> >
>> > Their e-mail tech support asks a question and then takes hours to reply
>> > - it's been days without much progress. I am not asking for super-fast
>> > support, but we'd like someone who can look at our case more than twice
>> > a day.
>>
>>
>> Forums or email really. Otherwise consider other vendors and factor in
>> what their support options are if it's something critical enough where
>> you might need more support options than forums or email.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - top supercomputer list 11/11/18

[Ken Hohhof]

Or the CDC 6600 that ran my FORTRAN IV punch card decks in college in the late 
60’s, early 70’s?  I think it was considered the first supercomputer.

 

 

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Where does the Cray YMP I played with in 1992 fall?

 

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:29 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

https://www.top500.org/news/china-extends-supercomputer-share-on-top500-list-us-dominates-in-total-performance/

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - top supercomputer list 11/11/18

[can...@believewireless.net]

Where does the Cray YMP I played with in 1992 fall?

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 6:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>
> https://www.top500.org/news/china-extends-supercomputer-share-on-top500-list-us-dominates-in-total-performance/
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti phone support? (big problem with all GPON OLTs)

[Cameron Crum]

Have you received a call back yet? If not I can see if I can push it up the
support chain and get either James or Jordan to give you a call.

Cameron

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 3:55 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 11/12/18 1:33 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
> > Is there a phone number for Ubiquiti support? Can't find on website.
> > We're about to go live on a GPON fiber deployment where we were looking
> > to use their OLTs, but every OLT that we have tried (3 brand new units)
> > has the same problem in production that wasn't seen in testing - the
> > data port disconnects after 10minutes and 15seconds, requires OLT
> > reboot. This is on the newest firmware.
> >
> > Their e-mail tech support asks a question and then takes hours to reply
> > - it's been days without much progress. I am not asking for super-fast
> > support, but we'd like someone who can look at our case more than twice
> > a day.
>
>
> Forums or email really. Otherwise consider other vendors and factor in
> what their support options are if it's something critical enough where
> you might need more support options than forums or email.
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[AFMUG] OT - top supercomputer list 11/11/18

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.top500.org/news/china-extends-supercomputer-share-on-top500-list
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[AFMUG] bandwidth management appliance opinions

[Ken Hohhof]

Once upon a time there was just Procera.  Then there was Saisei and then
Preseem.  As of the recent WISPAPALOOZA it seems we also have Bequant, which
bills their product as a TCP proxy, which is not really what I'm looking
for.

 

Can anyone relate success or horror stories with any of these, on or off
list?  I have at least one WISP recommending Preseem, and they seem like the
latest hot thing.  I am confused as to whether Sandvine/Procera is still
selling to the WISP market, and if so, what is their sales channel.  I just
got off a conference call with Saisei, and everything sounded reasonably
good, no red flags.

 

I could go ahead with a trial license from one of these guys, but it would
be good to know who is using what and how they like it.  Anybody can have a
good Powerpoint presentation, the question is, how does it work in the real
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti phone support? (big problem with all GPON OLTs)

[Seth Mattinen]

On 11/12/18 1:33 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
Is there a phone number for Ubiquiti support? Can't find on website. 
We're about to go live on a GPON fiber deployment where we were looking 
to use their OLTs, but every OLT that we have tried (3 brand new units) 
has the same problem in production that wasn't seen in testing - the 
data port disconnects after 10minutes and 15seconds, requires OLT 
reboot. This is on the newest firmware.


Their e-mail tech support asks a question and then takes hours to reply 
- it's been days without much progress. I am not asking for super-fast 
support, but we'd like someone who can look at our case more than twice 
a day.



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what their support options are if it's something critical enough where 
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti phone support? (big problem with all GPON OLTs)

[Colin Stanners]

Interface suddenly shows as down in the OLT andat the other side.

At the other end, have a Mikrotik router or Mikrotik switch - tried both
during troubleshooting. First was a link of 1gbit FiberStore singlemode
SFPs,
then 10Gbit DAC cable, tried it at both 1Gbit and 10Gbit speeds. With all
those variables we still saw the issue, until it disappeared for 5 days,
then  suddenly came back.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 3:46 PM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> I haven't seen this either on either of ours.
> What SFP and what's it plugged in to on the other side?
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 3:38 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] <
> j...@brazoswifi.com> wrote:
>
>> I haven't seen this on my deployments.
>>
>> Tag @ubnt-james in a post on the gpon forum. He can offer assistance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8 Active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Colin Stanners 
>> Date: 11/12/18 3:34 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti phone support? (big problem with all GPON OLTs)
>>
>> Is there a phone number for Ubiquiti support? Can't find on website.
>> We're about to go live on a GPON fiber deployment where we were looking to
>> use their OLTs, but every OLT that we have tried (3 brand new units) has
>> the same problem in production that wasn't seen in testing - the data port
>> disconnects after 10minutes and 15seconds, requires OLT reboot. This is on
>> the newest firmware.
>>
>> Their e-mail tech support asks a question and then takes hours to reply -
>> it's been days without much progress. I am not asking for super-fast
>> support, but we'd like someone who can look at our case more than twice a
>> day.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti phone support? (big problem with all GPON OLTs)

[Steve Jones]

you got jokes

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 3:34 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Is there a phone number for Ubiquiti support? Can't find on website. We're
> about to go live on a GPON fiber deployment where we were looking to use
> their OLTs, but every OLT that we have tried (3 brand new units) has the
> same problem in production that wasn't seen in testing - the data port
> disconnects after 10minutes and 15seconds, requires OLT reboot. This is on
> the newest firmware.
>
> Their e-mail tech support asks a question and then takes hours to reply -
> it's been days without much progress. I am not asking for super-fast
> support, but we'd like someone who can look at our case more than twice a
> day.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti phone support? (big problem with all GPON OLTs)

[Adair Winter]

I haven't seen this either on either of ours.
What SFP and what's it plugged in to on the other side?

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 3:38 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> I haven't seen this on my deployments.
>
> Tag @ubnt-james in a post on the gpon forum. He can offer assistance.
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8 Active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Colin Stanners 
> Date: 11/12/18 3:34 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti phone support? (big problem with all GPON OLTs)
>
> Is there a phone number for Ubiquiti support? Can't find on website. We're
> about to go live on a GPON fiber deployment where we were looking to use
> their OLTs, but every OLT that we have tried (3 brand new units) has the
> same problem in production that wasn't seen in testing - the data port
> disconnects after 10minutes and 15seconds, requires OLT reboot. This is on
> the newest firmware.
>
> Their e-mail tech support asks a question and then takes hours to reply -
> it's been days without much progress. I am not asking for super-fast
> support, but we'd like someone who can look at our case more than twice a
> day.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti phone support? (big problem with all GPON OLTs)

[Trey Scarborough]

Does the actual SFP go off or just stop passing traffic


On 11/12/2018 3:33 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
Is there a phone number for Ubiquiti support? Can't find on website. 
We're about to go live on a GPON fiber deployment where we were 
looking to use their OLTs, but every OLT that we have tried (3 brand 
new units) has the same problem in production that wasn't seen in 
testing - the data port disconnects after 10minutes and 15seconds, 
requires OLT reboot. This is on the newest firmware.


Their e-mail tech support asks a question and then takes hours to 
reply - it's been days without much progress. I am not asking for 
super-fast support, but we'd like someone who can look at our case 
more than twice a day.





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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti phone support? (big problem with all GPON OLTs)

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

I haven't seen this on my deployments.

Tag @ubnt-james in a post on the gpon forum. He can offer assistance.



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8 Active, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Colin Stanners 
Date: 11/12/18 3:34 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti phone support? (big problem with all GPON OLTs)

Is there a phone number for Ubiquiti support? Can't find on website. We're 
about to go live on a GPON fiber deployment where we were looking to use their 
OLTs, but every OLT that we have tried (3 brand new units) has the same problem 
in production that wasn't seen in testing - the data port disconnects after 
10minutes and 15seconds, requires OLT reboot. This is on the newest firmware.

Their e-mail tech support asks a question and then takes hours to reply - it's 
been days without much progress. I am not asking for super-fast support, but 
we'd like someone who can look at our case more than twice a day.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti phone support? (big problem with all GPON OLTs)

[Adam Moffett]

One of the selling points for Ubiquiti investors is low tech support 
costs due to support being primarily through the forum and therefore 
aided by the community.


I don't think there's a public number for support. I think the forum is 
where you're supposed to go.



On 11/12/2018 4:33 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
Is there a phone number for Ubiquiti support? Can't find on website. 
We're about to go live on a GPON fiber deployment where we were 
looking to use their OLTs, but every OLT that we have tried (3 brand 
new units) has the same problem in production that wasn't seen in 
testing - the data port disconnects after 10minutes and 15seconds, 
requires OLT reboot. This is on the newest firmware.


Their e-mail tech support asks a question and then takes hours to 
reply - it's been days without much progress. I am not asking for 
super-fast support, but we'd like someone who can look at our case 
more than twice a day.




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[AFMUG] Ubiquiti phone support? (big problem with all GPON OLTs)

[Colin Stanners]

Is there a phone number for Ubiquiti support? Can't find on website. We're
about to go live on a GPON fiber deployment where we were looking to use
their OLTs, but every OLT that we have tried (3 brand new units) has the
same problem in production that wasn't seen in testing - the data port
disconnects after 10minutes and 15seconds, requires OLT reboot. This is on
the newest firmware.

Their e-mail tech support asks a question and then takes hours to reply -
it's been days without much progress. I am not asking for super-fast
support, but we'd like someone who can look at our case more than twice a
day.
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

We DO offer PTP 450i in 3.65… we even have cnMedusa in 3.65 now!

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 12:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

Thanks Matt,

I would switch to 450i hardware if you offered 3.65 ghz band Hence why I am 
going to licensed gear.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:41 AM Matt Mangriotis via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Yes, this is a CPU limitation with 450 hardware. The 450i radio has nearly 3x 
the PPS performance, and will eliminate this bottleneck.

Sorry, I didn’t see this thread until now (traveling).

Matt


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:28 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

Consensus seems to be it is 450 CPU limitation.

But just checking, when you say this interfaces to a switch, your really mean 
switch, right?  I ask because I once had a Mikrotik running on x86 (ATOM) 
hardware that exhibited packet loss whenever we connected a Fast Ethernet radio 
to one of the router’s Gigabit ports.  It was fine up through ROS 5.26, but 
when we tried to run 6.x FW, we got the packet loss and none of the suggested 
config changes would fix it, had had to roll back to 5.x FW (and ultimately 
replaced the  router with a CCR).  I assume the problem was something with the 
Intel NIC drivers.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

Frame utilization never gets above 75%. No errors at all on the RF side of 
things.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:08 AM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Are you tracking % frame utilization? If the airtime is full, there is nowhere 
for the traffic to go.

bp




On 11/12/2018 8:54 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
The ethernet Interface is only capable of 100mbps. The Over the air is capable 
of 106mbps at 20mhz channel size. The Ethernet interface starts showing errors 
at around 60mbps and up. I am going with the CPU gacking at higher loads as the 
450 series seems to have an overall limit on CPU power...

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:49 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
So these are discards, but neither side is reporting CRC errors?  That sounds 
like overflowing a buffer, or maybe there’s a config problem with pause frames?

It would certainly seem possible that a traffic burst on a GigE interface could 
exceed what the air interface can transmit.  I don’t know how big the buffers 
are in the PTP450.

What is your max over-the-air throughput, is it less than 100 Mbps?  What 
happens if you change the Ethernet interface to 100M?  Although it looks like 
you are feeding it from a switch not a router port, so the router probably 
wouldn’t be aware of the capacity limitation so it can buffer the bursts.  
Personally I prefer to terminate backhaul links directly on a router port not a 
switch port.

I think someone also suggested that it may be a CPU horsepower or 
packet-per-second limitation in the radio.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 9:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

I also ran the radio without a SS in place this weekend and got the same stats 
as before. No CRC errors. Never a boring day around here in Taos NM.


On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 4:37 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Some definitely don’t like “Canopy sync” esp. on long cables.  New “Cambium 
sync” seems to resolve that.  But he says that he tried powering it from just a 
Cambium POE, which I assume means no sync-over-power.

There was some discussion about this being an issue with reaching the limit of 
how many PPS the CPU can handle, rather than an Ethernet data error problem.  
Have you pinned down which it is?  If it’s CPU horsepower, I would expect zero 
packet loss when the link was lightly loaded.

I’m also assuming this is a constant dribbling error thing, not error free for 
a few days and then down for a minute.  In which case I’d check the LBT event 
counter.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 5:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

Some Cambium devices do not like surge suppressors.  That is why I created the 
CAT6 line of product.

From: Lincoln (AFMUG Lists)
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 10:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues


Hi Sam;

I see where you replaced the surge suppressor.  I would tr

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

[Sam Lambie]

Thanks Matt,

I would switch to 450i hardware if you offered 3.65 ghz band Hence why
I am going to licensed gear.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:41 AM Matt Mangriotis via AF 
wrote:

> Yes, this is a CPU limitation with 450 hardware. The 450i radio has nearly
> 3x the PPS performance, and will eliminate this bottleneck.
>
>
>
> Sorry, I didn’t see this thread until now (traveling).
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, November 12, 2018 11:28 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues
>
>
>
> Consensus seems to be it is 450 CPU limitation.
>
>
>
> But just checking, when you say this interfaces to a switch, your really
> mean switch, right?  I ask because I once had a Mikrotik running on x86
> (ATOM) hardware that exhibited packet loss whenever we connected a Fast
> Ethernet radio to one of the router’s Gigabit ports.  It was fine up
> through ROS 5.26, but when we tried to run 6.x FW, we got the packet loss
> and none of the suggested config changes would fix it, had had to roll back
> to 5.x FW (and ultimately replaced the  router with a CCR).  I assume the
> problem was something with the Intel NIC drivers.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Monday, November 12, 2018 11:11 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues
>
>
>
> Frame utilization never gets above 75%. No errors at all on the RF side of
> things.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:08 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Are you tracking % frame utilization? If the airtime is full, there is
> nowhere for the traffic to go.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 11/12/2018 8:54 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> The ethernet Interface is only capable of 100mbps. The Over the air is
> capable of 106mbps at 20mhz channel size. The Ethernet interface starts
> showing errors at around 60mbps and up. I am going with the CPU gacking at
> higher loads as the 450 series seems to have an overall limit on CPU
> power...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:49 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> So these are discards, but neither side is reporting CRC errors?  That
> sounds like overflowing a buffer, or maybe there’s a config problem with
> pause frames?
>
>
>
> It would certainly seem possible that a traffic burst on a GigE interface
> could exceed what the air interface can transmit.  I don’t know how big the
> buffers are in the PTP450.
>
>
>
> What is your max over-the-air throughput, is it less than 100 Mbps?  What
> happens if you change the Ethernet interface to 100M?  Although it looks
> like you are feeding it from a switch not a router port, so the router
> probably wouldn’t be aware of the capacity limitation so it can buffer the
> bursts.  Personally I prefer to terminate backhaul links directly on a
> router port not a switch port.
>
>
>
> I think someone also suggested that it may be a CPU horsepower or
> packet-per-second limitation in the radio.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Monday, November 12, 2018 9:42 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues
>
>
>
> I also ran the radio without a SS in place this weekend and got the same
> stats as before. No CRC errors. Never a boring day around here in Taos NM.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 4:37 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Some definitely don’t like “Canopy sync” esp. on long cables.  New
> “Cambium sync” seems to resolve that.  But he says that he tried powering
> it from just a Cambium POE, which I assume means no sync-over-power.
>
>
>
> There was some discussion about this being an issue with reaching the
> limit of how many PPS the CPU can handle, rather than an Ethernet data
> error problem.  Have you pinned down which it is?  If it’s CPU horsepower,
> I would expect zero packet loss when the link was lightly loaded.
>
>
>
> I’m also assuming this is a constant dribbling error thing, not error free
> for a few days and then down for a minute.  In which case I’d check the LBT
> event counter.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, November 9, 2018 5:21 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues
>
>
>
> Some Cambium devices do not like surge suppressors.  That is why I created
> the CAT6 line of product.
>
>
>
> *From:* Lincoln (AFMUG Lists)
>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 9, 2018 10:45 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues
>
>
>
> Hi Sam;
>
> I see where you replaced the surge suppressor.  I would try the following
> in this order.   (1) Bypass the surge suppressor (possible, especially if
> you're out of lightning season).  (2) Use the PoE brick and plug into a
> managed switch port so that you can monitor traffic and errors both on the
> Ethernet switch side and the PTP450 side.
>
> Use PingPlot

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Yes, this is a CPU limitation with 450 hardware. The 450i radio has nearly 3x 
the PPS performance, and will eliminate this bottleneck.

Sorry, I didn’t see this thread until now (traveling).

Matt


From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:28 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

Consensus seems to be it is 450 CPU limitation.

But just checking, when you say this interfaces to a switch, your really mean 
switch, right?  I ask because I once had a Mikrotik running on x86 (ATOM) 
hardware that exhibited packet loss whenever we connected a Fast Ethernet radio 
to one of the router’s Gigabit ports.  It was fine up through ROS 5.26, but 
when we tried to run 6.x FW, we got the packet loss and none of the suggested 
config changes would fix it, had had to roll back to 5.x FW (and ultimately 
replaced the  router with a CCR).  I assume the problem was something with the 
Intel NIC drivers.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

Frame utilization never gets above 75%. No errors at all on the RF side of 
things.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:08 AM Bill Prince 
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Are you tracking % frame utilization? If the airtime is full, there is nowhere 
for the traffic to go.

bp




On 11/12/2018 8:54 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
The ethernet Interface is only capable of 100mbps. The Over the air is capable 
of 106mbps at 20mhz channel size. The Ethernet interface starts showing errors 
at around 60mbps and up. I am going with the CPU gacking at higher loads as the 
450 series seems to have an overall limit on CPU power...

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:49 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
So these are discards, but neither side is reporting CRC errors?  That sounds 
like overflowing a buffer, or maybe there’s a config problem with pause frames?

It would certainly seem possible that a traffic burst on a GigE interface could 
exceed what the air interface can transmit.  I don’t know how big the buffers 
are in the PTP450.

What is your max over-the-air throughput, is it less than 100 Mbps?  What 
happens if you change the Ethernet interface to 100M?  Although it looks like 
you are feeding it from a switch not a router port, so the router probably 
wouldn’t be aware of the capacity limitation so it can buffer the bursts.  
Personally I prefer to terminate backhaul links directly on a router port not a 
switch port.

I think someone also suggested that it may be a CPU horsepower or 
packet-per-second limitation in the radio.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 9:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

I also ran the radio without a SS in place this weekend and got the same stats 
as before. No CRC errors. Never a boring day around here in Taos NM.


On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 4:37 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Some definitely don’t like “Canopy sync” esp. on long cables.  New “Cambium 
sync” seems to resolve that.  But he says that he tried powering it from just a 
Cambium POE, which I assume means no sync-over-power.

There was some discussion about this being an issue with reaching the limit of 
how many PPS the CPU can handle, rather than an Ethernet data error problem.  
Have you pinned down which it is?  If it’s CPU horsepower, I would expect zero 
packet loss when the link was lightly loaded.

I’m also assuming this is a constant dribbling error thing, not error free for 
a few days and then down for a minute.  In which case I’d check the LBT event 
counter.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 5:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

Some Cambium devices do not like surge suppressors.  That is why I created the 
CAT6 line of product.

From: Lincoln (AFMUG Lists)
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 10:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues


Hi Sam;

I see where you replaced the surge suppressor.  I would try the following in 
this order.   (1) Bypass the surge suppressor (possible, especially if you're 
out of lightning season).  (2) Use the PoE brick and plug into a managed switch 
port so that you can monitor traffic and errors both on the Ethernet switch 
side and the PTP450 side.

Use PingPlotter (free version) or any other graphing ping tool and ping both 
the switch and PTP 450 at the NOC.  Compare traffic, graphs and SNMP results 
from all these sources.

Set the Ethernet speed and duplex modes on both devices an

Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has anyone ever gotten this working?

[Mathew Howard]

Weird... all of the APs I've tried have worked from both sides. You do have
to use the wireless MAC (whether you're connected from the ethernet or the
wireless side), but other than that, they just connected like you would
expect.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:42 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> AP.  Bridge mode.
>
> Looks like on by default to me, too.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> SM or AP? Is it in router mode or bridge mode?
>> I've only tried it on radios that are in bridge mode, and I had to use
>> the wireless MAC, so it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't work in router
>> or NAT mode.
>> You can disable mac-telnet, but it seems to be turned on on all of ours,
>> and I never enabled it, so I assume it's on by default.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 8:46 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well I can't mac-telnet to a 3.5.1 on the eth port...wonder why...
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It seems to only work from the ethernet side on SMs. I tried it on a
 link between two of our towers (I have access to Mikrotiks on both ends of
 the link), and I can mac-telnet to the SM from the Mikrotik that's local to
 it, but I can't on the one on the other end of the link. The AP works from
 both Mikrotiks.

 Also, I think mac-telnet was a fairly recent addition, 3.3 probably
 doesn't support it.

 On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 3:47 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> You CAN mac-telnet to eth ports?  To an AP?  I can't get that to work
> myself.  What versions are you able to make work?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Justin Marshal 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I would think the same thing. If I’m able to get the CDP/LLDP
>> packets I should be able to mac-telnet to it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m able to mac-telnet to the ethernet side, just not the wlan side.
>>
>> I can mac-telnet to an SM from a routerOS device at the customer’s
>> location but I would like to be able to reach it from the tower through 
>> the
>> wlan.
>>
>> It’s almost like mac-telnet is enabled on the ethernet interface and
>> not the wlan interface, even though LLDP/CDP get sent for both 
>> interfaces.
>>
>> I wish changing the password helped, but it doesn’t seem to make a
>> difference.
>>
>>
>>
>> I do appreciate the suggestions…
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 1:52 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has
>> anyone ever gotten this working?
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're getting those ARP layer 2 packets and can ping it, surely
>> you have to be able to mac-telnet (unless the application denies you).
>> Defaults should work once you've changed the password according to the 
>> GUI.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Justin Marshal 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Me either
>>
>>
>>
>> Wondering if there’s a setting that I’m overlooking in the AP that
>> keeps it from happening (SM Isolation, etc)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 11:05 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has
>> anyone ever gotten this working?
>>
>>
>>
>> I can't get into any SM from the wireless side (the MAC we see in
>> neighbors is wireless).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Justin Marshal 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hmm…
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m only seeing one mac address for each SM.  It’s seeing the
>> wireless MAC address…
>>
>> This is directly from a Mikrotik at the tower, through a bridged AP,
>> to a bridged SM.
>>
>>
>>
>> I do see 2 MAC Addresses for our AP’s, but I’m trying to MAC telnet
>> into the SM’s. When doing a mac-telnet to the AP, it works fine when
>> connecting to the wireless MAC even though I’m coming in through the
>> etherne

Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

[Ken Hohhof]

Consensus seems to be it is 450 CPU limitation.

 

But just checking, when you say this interfaces to a switch, your really mean 
switch, right?  I ask because I once had a Mikrotik running on x86 (ATOM) 
hardware that exhibited packet loss whenever we connected a Fast Ethernet radio 
to one of the router’s Gigabit ports.  It was fine up through ROS 5.26, but 
when we tried to run 6.x FW, we got the packet loss and none of the suggested 
config changes would fix it, had had to roll back to 5.x FW (and ultimately 
replaced the  router with a CCR).  I assume the problem was something with the 
Intel NIC drivers.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 11:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

 

Frame utilization never gets above 75%. No errors at all on the RF side of 
things.

 

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:08 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Are you tracking % frame utilization? If the airtime is full, there is nowhere 
for the traffic to go.

bp

 

On 11/12/2018 8:54 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

The ethernet Interface is only capable of 100mbps. The Over the air is capable 
of 106mbps at 20mhz channel size. The Ethernet interface starts showing errors 
at around 60mbps and up. I am going with the CPU gacking at higher loads as the 
450 series seems to have an overall limit on CPU power...

 

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:49 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

So these are discards, but neither side is reporting CRC errors?  That sounds 
like overflowing a buffer, or maybe there’s a config problem with pause frames?

 

It would certainly seem possible that a traffic burst on a GigE interface could 
exceed what the air interface can transmit.  I don’t know how big the buffers 
are in the PTP450.

 

What is your max over-the-air throughput, is it less than 100 Mbps?  What 
happens if you change the Ethernet interface to 100M?  Although it looks like 
you are feeding it from a switch not a router port, so the router probably 
wouldn’t be aware of the capacity limitation so it can buffer the bursts.  
Personally I prefer to terminate backhaul links directly on a router port not a 
switch port.

 

I think someone also suggested that it may be a CPU horsepower or 
packet-per-second limitation in the radio.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 9:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

 

I also ran the radio without a SS in place this weekend and got the same stats 
as before. No CRC errors. Never a boring day around here in Taos NM.



 

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 4:37 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Some definitely don’t like “Canopy sync” esp. on long cables.  New “Cambium 
sync” seems to resolve that.  But he says that he tried powering it from just a 
Cambium POE, which I assume means no sync-over-power.

 

There was some discussion about this being an issue with reaching the limit of 
how many PPS the CPU can handle, rather than an Ethernet data error problem.  
Have you pinned down which it is?  If it’s CPU horsepower, I would expect zero 
packet loss when the link was lightly loaded.

 

I’m also assuming this is a constant dribbling error thing, not error free for 
a few days and then down for a minute.  In which case I’d check the LBT event 
counter.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of ch...@wbmfg.com  
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 5:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

 

Some Cambium devices do not like surge suppressors.  That is why I created the 
CAT6 line of product.  

 

From: Lincoln (AFMUG Lists) 

Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 10:45 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

 

Hi Sam;

I see where you replaced the surge suppressor.  I would try the following in 
this order.   (1) Bypass the surge suppressor (possible, especially if you're 
out of lightning season).  (2) Use the PoE brick and plug into a managed switch 
port so that you can monitor traffic and errors both on the Ethernet switch 
side and the PTP450 side.  

Use PingPlotter (free version) or any other graphing ping tool and ping both 
the switch and PTP 450 at the NOC.  Compare traffic, graphs and SNMP results 
from all these sources.

Set the Ethernet speed and duplex modes on both devices and allow to run. 
Noting the time when you made the changes. Clearing any errors prior to making 
the changes as well.  See if the CRC errors or other are increasing 
significantly on the current settings.  Continue making the changes and monitor 
errors.  Which ever one is increasing the fastest (the device), most likely may 
lead you to the source of the problem.

Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

[Sam Lambie]

Yeah, I am at the latest greatest and no change to the error rates. No
biggie, it's time to upgrade anyhow.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:15 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Yeah, 60 Mbps sounds about right to max out a 450.  450i probably a lot
> better.  But Cambium has a history of fessing up that CPU horsepower was a
> limiting factor.  On their more expensive product line.
>
> Make sure you are running the latest FW.  For awhile they were tweaking the
> FW to get more out of the CPU.  That was a few years back though.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 10:58 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues
>
> On 11/12/18 8:54 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
> > The ethernet Interface is only capable of 100mbps. The Over the air is
> > capable of 106mbps at 20mhz channel size. The Ethernet interface
> > starts showing errors at around 60mbps and up. I am going with the CPU
> > gacking at higher loads as the 450 series seems to have an overall
> > limit on CPU power...
>
>
> It's all about packets per second and packet size.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

[Ken Hohhof]

Yeah, 60 Mbps sounds about right to max out a 450.  450i probably a lot
better.  But Cambium has a history of fessing up that CPU horsepower was a
limiting factor.  On their more expensive product line.

Make sure you are running the latest FW.  For awhile they were tweaking the
FW to get more out of the CPU.  That was a few years back though.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 10:58 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

On 11/12/18 8:54 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
> The ethernet Interface is only capable of 100mbps. The Over the air is 
> capable of 106mbps at 20mhz channel size. The Ethernet interface 
> starts showing errors at around 60mbps and up. I am going with the CPU 
> gacking at higher loads as the 450 series seems to have an overall 
> limit on CPU power...


It's all about packets per second and packet size.

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Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

[Sam Lambie]

Frame utilization never gets above 75%. No errors at all on the RF side of
things.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:08 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Are you tracking % frame utilization? If the airtime is full, there is
> nowhere for the traffic to go.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 11/12/2018 8:54 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> The ethernet Interface is only capable of 100mbps. The Over the air is
> capable of 106mbps at 20mhz channel size. The Ethernet interface starts
> showing errors at around 60mbps and up. I am going with the CPU gacking at
> higher loads as the 450 series seems to have an overall limit on CPU
> power...
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:49 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> So these are discards, but neither side is reporting CRC errors?  That
>> sounds like overflowing a buffer, or maybe there’s a config problem with
>> pause frames?
>>
>>
>>
>> It would certainly seem possible that a traffic burst on a GigE interface
>> could exceed what the air interface can transmit.  I don’t know how big the
>> buffers are in the PTP450.
>>
>>
>>
>> What is your max over-the-air throughput, is it less than 100 Mbps?  What
>> happens if you change the Ethernet interface to 100M?  Although it looks
>> like you are feeding it from a switch not a router port, so the router
>> probably wouldn’t be aware of the capacity limitation so it can buffer the
>> bursts.  Personally I prefer to terminate backhaul links directly on a
>> router port not a switch port.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think someone also suggested that it may be a CPU horsepower or
>> packet-per-second limitation in the radio.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 12, 2018 9:42 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues
>>
>>
>>
>> I also ran the radio without a SS in place this weekend and got the same
>> stats as before. No CRC errors. Never a boring day around here in Taos NM.
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2018-11-12 at 8.41.13 AM.png]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 4:37 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Some definitely don’t like “Canopy sync” esp. on long cables.  New
>> “Cambium sync” seems to resolve that.  But he says that he tried powering
>> it from just a Cambium POE, which I assume means no sync-over-power.
>>
>>
>>
>> There was some discussion about this being an issue with reaching the
>> limit of how many PPS the CPU can handle, rather than an Ethernet data
>> error problem.  Have you pinned down which it is?  If it’s CPU horsepower,
>> I would expect zero packet loss when the link was lightly loaded.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m also assuming this is a constant dribbling error thing, not error
>> free for a few days and then down for a minute.  In which case I’d check
>> the LBT event counter.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 9, 2018 5:21 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues
>>
>>
>>
>> Some Cambium devices do not like surge suppressors.  That is why I
>> created the CAT6 line of product.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Lincoln (AFMUG Lists)
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 9, 2018 10:45 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Sam;
>>
>> I see where you replaced the surge suppressor.  I would try the following
>> in this order.   (1) Bypass the surge suppressor (possible, especially if
>> you're out of lightning season).  (2) Use the PoE brick and plug into a
>> managed switch port so that you can monitor traffic and errors both on the
>> Ethernet switch side and the PTP450 side.
>>
>> Use PingPlotter (free version) or any other graphing ping tool and ping
>> both the switch and PTP 450 at the NOC.  Compare traffic, graphs and SNMP
>> results from all these sources.
>>
>> Set the Ethernet speed and duplex modes on both devices and allow to run.
>> Noting the time when you made the changes. Clearing any errors prior to
>> making the changes as well.  See if the CRC errors or other are increasing
>> significantly on the current settings.  Continue making the changes and
>> monitor errors.  Which ever one is increasing the fastest (the device),
>> most likely may lead you to the source of the problem.
>>
>> Check your syslogs as well.  See if the syslogs are showing any activity
>> or issues from the PTP450 and the switch.  Check your RMON.   If you are
>> able to monitor Netflow or S-Flow on the switch.  See what traffic is
>> coming through.  Use a tool like OPManager (free or trial) to monitor the
>> switch and see what their built-in tools / graphs for traffic congestion
>> shows.
>>
>> Make sure nothing else on your network is accessing your switch or PTP450
>> BH at the NOC.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/11/2018 11:45 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>
>> Guys,
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a backhaul that is driving me nuts. We have a 6.9 mile link from
>> our NOC to the site. The Master at th

Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Are you tracking % frame utilization? If the airtime is full,
  there is nowhere for the traffic to go.

bp



On 11/12/2018 8:54 AM, Sam Lambie
  wrote:


  
  The ethernet Interface is only capable of 100mbps.
The Over the air is capable of 106mbps at 20mhz channel size.
The Ethernet interface starts showing errors at around 60mbps
and up. I am going with the CPU gacking at higher loads as the
450 series seems to have an overall limit on CPU power...
  
  
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:49 AM Ken Hohhof 
  wrote:


  

  So these are discards, but neither
side is reporting CRC errors?  That sounds like
overflowing a buffer, or maybe there’s a config problem
with pause frames?
   
  It would certainly seem possible that
a traffic burst on a GigE interface could exceed what
the air interface can transmit.  I don’t know how big
the buffers are in the PTP450.
   
  What is your max over-the-air
throughput, is it less than 100 Mbps?  What happens if
you change the Ethernet interface to 100M?  Although it
looks like you are feeding it from a switch not a router
port, so the router probably wouldn’t be aware of the
capacity limitation so it can buffer the bursts. 
Personally I prefer to terminate backhaul links directly
on a router port not a switch port.
   
  I think someone also suggested that
it may be a CPU horsepower or packet-per-second
limitation in the radio.
   
   
  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 9:42 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet
Issues
   
  
I also ran the radio without a SS
  in place this weekend and got the same stats as
  before. No CRC errors. Never a boring day around here
  in Taos NM.

  

  
   
  

  On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 4:37 PM
Ken Hohhof 
wrote:


  

  Some definitely don’t like
“Canopy sync” esp. on long cables.  New “Cambium
sync” seems to resolve that.  But he says that
he tried powering it from just a Cambium POE,
which I assume means no sync-over-power.
   
  There was some discussion
about this being an issue with reaching the
limit of how many PPS the CPU can handle, rather
than an Ethernet data error problem.  Have you
pinned down which it is?  If it’s CPU
horsepower, I would expect zero packet loss when
the link was lightly loaded.
   
  I’m also assuming this is a
constant dribbling error thing, not error free
for a few days and then down for a minute.  In
which case I’d check the LBT event counter.
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 5:21
PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with
Ethernet Issues

  
   
  

  
Some Cambium
devices do not like surge suppressors. 
That is why I created the CAT6 line of
product.  
  
  

  
 
  
  

 

Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

[Seth Mattinen]

On 11/12/18 8:54 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
The ethernet Interface is only capable of 100mbps. The Over the air is 
capable of 106mbps at 20mhz channel size. The Ethernet interface starts 
showing errors at around 60mbps and up. I am going with the CPU gacking 
at higher loads as the 450 series seems to have an overall limit on CPU 
power...



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Re: [AFMUG] OT cannot bear to toss

[Chuck McCown]

I was a total virtuoso with the 705.  I had products that used every circuit in 
that chip.  Bytecraft compiler.  I loved that chip.  

Many 10s or thousands of those OTP chips were burned.  Needham made a fairly 
universal programmer that I used to burn those.  

From: Dave 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 9:45 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT cannot bear to toss

I have tons dated back to late 80s for motorolas processors and z80. I finally 
got rid of some but still have
my faves because I still work with these older processors for fun. I have an 
old EEtools programmer that
has to have a express card to interface with. 
I have since upgraded to usb versions that will do Pals and Pics as well as 
eProms.
I have yet to find one that will program a MC68705P5 processor with built in 
eprom.
those are seriously a half breed mistake LOL







On 11/10/18 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:


   
Sent from my iPhone
   


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Re: [AFMUG] OT cannot bear to toss

[Dave]

I have tons dated back to late 80s for motorolas processors and z80. I 
finally got rid of some but still have
my faves because I still work with these older processors for fun. I 
have an old EEtools programmer that

has to have a express card to interface with.
    I have since upgraded to usb versions that will do Pals and Pics as 
well as eProms.
I have yet to find one that will program a MC68705P5 processor with 
built in eprom.

those are seriously a half breed mistake LOL






On 11/10/18 10:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:




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Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has anyone ever gotten this working?

[Josh Luthman]

AP.  Bridge mode.

Looks like on by default to me, too.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 10:52 AM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> SM or AP? Is it in router mode or bridge mode?
> I've only tried it on radios that are in bridge mode, and I had to use the
> wireless MAC, so it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't work in router or
> NAT mode.
> You can disable mac-telnet, but it seems to be turned on on all of ours,
> and I never enabled it, so I assume it's on by default.
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 8:46 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Well I can't mac-telnet to a 3.5.1 on the eth port...wonder why...
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It seems to only work from the ethernet side on SMs. I tried it on a
>>> link between two of our towers (I have access to Mikrotiks on both ends of
>>> the link), and I can mac-telnet to the SM from the Mikrotik that's local to
>>> it, but I can't on the one on the other end of the link. The AP works from
>>> both Mikrotiks.
>>>
>>> Also, I think mac-telnet was a fairly recent addition, 3.3 probably
>>> doesn't support it.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 3:47 PM Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You CAN mac-telnet to eth ports?  To an AP?  I can't get that to work
 myself.  What versions are you able to make work?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Justin Marshal 
 wrote:

> Yeah, I would think the same thing. If I’m able to get the CDP/LLDP
> packets I should be able to mac-telnet to it.
>
>
>
> I’m able to mac-telnet to the ethernet side, just not the wlan side.
>
> I can mac-telnet to an SM from a routerOS device at the customer’s
> location but I would like to be able to reach it from the tower through 
> the
> wlan.
>
> It’s almost like mac-telnet is enabled on the ethernet interface and
> not the wlan interface, even though LLDP/CDP get sent for both interfaces.
>
> I wish changing the password helped, but it doesn’t seem to make a
> difference.
>
>
>
> I do appreciate the suggestions…
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 1:52 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has
> anyone ever gotten this working?
>
>
>
> If you're getting those ARP layer 2 packets and can ping it, surely
> you have to be able to mac-telnet (unless the application denies you).
> Defaults should work once you've changed the password according to the 
> GUI.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Justin Marshal 
> wrote:
>
> Me either
>
>
>
> Wondering if there’s a setting that I’m overlooking in the AP that
> keeps it from happening (SM Isolation, etc)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 11:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has
> anyone ever gotten this working?
>
>
>
> I can't get into any SM from the wireless side (the MAC we see in
> neighbors is wireless).
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Justin Marshal 
> wrote:
>
> Hmm…
>
>
>
> I’m only seeing one mac address for each SM.  It’s seeing the wireless
> MAC address…
>
> This is directly from a Mikrotik at the tower, through a bridged AP,
> to a bridged SM.
>
>
>
> I do see 2 MAC Addresses for our AP’s, but I’m trying to MAC telnet
> into the SM’s. When doing a mac-telnet to the AP, it works fine when
> connecting to the wireless MAC even though I’m coming in through the
> ethernet side of things (weird)
>
>
>
>
>
> I tried changing the MAC to the ethernet interface of the SM just to
> say I tried it but that didn’t work either….
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the suggestion
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 10:41 AM
> *To:* AFMUG 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has
> anyone ever gotten this working?
>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Grandpad

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah that's a great point.  There's nothing wrong with making a device 
simpler, easier, and more accessible.  In this case the name of the 
product both limits their potential market and possibly /offends/ the 
potential market.  Rather than be so ham-fisted, they could have called 
it the "Easy Tablet" or some such and produced ad copy that dog whistled 
to the elderly if that's their intended market.


Maybe it's an engineering success and marketing failure.  I didn't look 
closely at the product, so I'm just speaking through my posterior.


-Adam


On 11/12/2018 10:46 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
LOL! The idea is something that a lot of people have been working on 
for quite a while now. I think the only thing wrong is the name; the 
blatant assumption that confines them to a particular age demographic.



bp


On 11/12/2018 7:40 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Maybe I should buy the kids Grandpads for Christmas.

On 11/12/2018 10:26 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I know one person who got & used a WebTV. He was about 25 at the time.


bp


On 11/11/2018 6:14 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
A long time ago, my relatives bought a WebTV box and internet 
subscription for my grandma to try to get her online... Altogether 
must've cost close to $1K. I'm not sure that it had ever ended up 
being used or even turned on before we removed it.









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Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has anyone ever gotten this working?

[Mathew Howard]

SM or AP? Is it in router mode or bridge mode?
I've only tried it on radios that are in bridge mode, and I had to use the
wireless MAC, so it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't work in router or
NAT mode.
You can disable mac-telnet, but it seems to be turned on on all of ours,
and I never enabled it, so I assume it's on by default.

On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 8:46 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Well I can't mac-telnet to a 3.5.1 on the eth port...wonder why...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> It seems to only work from the ethernet side on SMs. I tried it on a link
>> between two of our towers (I have access to Mikrotiks on both ends of the
>> link), and I can mac-telnet to the SM from the Mikrotik that's local to it,
>> but I can't on the one on the other end of the link. The AP works from both
>> Mikrotiks.
>>
>> Also, I think mac-telnet was a fairly recent addition, 3.3 probably
>> doesn't support it.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 3:47 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You CAN mac-telnet to eth ports?  To an AP?  I can't get that to work
>>> myself.  What versions are you able to make work?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Justin Marshal 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I would think the same thing. If I’m able to get the CDP/LLDP
 packets I should be able to mac-telnet to it.



 I’m able to mac-telnet to the ethernet side, just not the wlan side.

 I can mac-telnet to an SM from a routerOS device at the customer’s
 location but I would like to be able to reach it from the tower through the
 wlan.

 It’s almost like mac-telnet is enabled on the ethernet interface and
 not the wlan interface, even though LLDP/CDP get sent for both interfaces.

 I wish changing the password helped, but it doesn’t seem to make a
 difference.



 I do appreciate the suggestions…



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 1:52 PM

 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has anyone
 ever gotten this working?



 If you're getting those ARP layer 2 packets and can ping it, surely you
 have to be able to mac-telnet (unless the application denies you).
 Defaults should work once you've changed the password according to the GUI.




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Justin Marshal 
 wrote:

 Me either



 Wondering if there’s a setting that I’m overlooking in the AP that
 keeps it from happening (SM Isolation, etc)



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 11:05 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 


 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has anyone
 ever gotten this working?



 I can't get into any SM from the wireless side (the MAC we see in
 neighbors is wireless).




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Justin Marshal 
 wrote:

 Hmm…



 I’m only seeing one mac address for each SM.  It’s seeing the wireless
 MAC address…

 This is directly from a Mikrotik at the tower, through a bridged AP, to
 a bridged SM.



 I do see 2 MAC Addresses for our AP’s, but I’m trying to MAC telnet
 into the SM’s. When doing a mac-telnet to the AP, it works fine when
 connecting to the wireless MAC even though I’m coming in through the
 ethernet side of things (weird)





 I tried changing the MAC to the ethernet interface of the SM just to
 say I tried it but that didn’t work either….





 Thanks for the suggestion





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
 *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 10:41 AM
 *To:* AFMUG 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has anyone
 ever gotten this working?



 It works fine for me, but it looks like you need to use the wireless
 MAC address, and not the ethernet MAC (this is on an AP in bridge mode, an
 SM in router mode would be different, I assume). I initially just right
 clicked on the MAC in the neighbor list in Winbox, and selected MAC, and it
 connected fine... after that, I realized both MAC addresses were there, so
 I tri

Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has anyone ever gotten this working?

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, one nice thing about ePMPs, is that you can always access them (from
the ethernet port) on 169.254.1.1.

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:18 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> I have always done SSH from RouterOS.  If you made a gateway mistake you
> don't need to do anything else, but if you did a bad IP you can just use
> static ARP and 169.254.1.1 (or add a similar bad IP).
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> Same here. It for sure worked one or two versions back.. I mucked a
>> gateway and had to fix it via mac telnet.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 8:46 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well I can't mac-telnet to a 3.5.1 on the eth port...wonder why...
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It seems to only work from the ethernet side on SMs. I tried it on a
 link between two of our towers (I have access to Mikrotiks on both ends of
 the link), and I can mac-telnet to the SM from the Mikrotik that's local to
 it, but I can't on the one on the other end of the link. The AP works from
 both Mikrotiks.

 Also, I think mac-telnet was a fairly recent addition, 3.3 probably
 doesn't support it.

 On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 3:47 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> You CAN mac-telnet to eth ports?  To an AP?  I can't get that to work
> myself.  What versions are you able to make work?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Justin Marshal 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I would think the same thing. If I’m able to get the CDP/LLDP
>> packets I should be able to mac-telnet to it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m able to mac-telnet to the ethernet side, just not the wlan side.
>>
>> I can mac-telnet to an SM from a routerOS device at the customer’s
>> location but I would like to be able to reach it from the tower through 
>> the
>> wlan.
>>
>> It’s almost like mac-telnet is enabled on the ethernet interface and
>> not the wlan interface, even though LLDP/CDP get sent for both 
>> interfaces.
>>
>> I wish changing the password helped, but it doesn’t seem to make a
>> difference.
>>
>>
>>
>> I do appreciate the suggestions…
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 1:52 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has
>> anyone ever gotten this working?
>>
>>
>>
>> If you're getting those ARP layer 2 packets and can ping it, surely
>> you have to be able to mac-telnet (unless the application denies you).
>> Defaults should work once you've changed the password according to the 
>> GUI.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Justin Marshal 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Me either
>>
>>
>>
>> Wondering if there’s a setting that I’m overlooking in the AP that
>> keeps it from happening (SM Isolation, etc)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 11:05 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has
>> anyone ever gotten this working?
>>
>>
>>
>> I can't get into any SM from the wireless side (the MAC we see in
>> neighbors is wireless).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Justin Marshal 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hmm…
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m only seeing one mac address for each SM.  It’s seeing the
>> wireless MAC address…
>>
>> This is directly from a Mikrotik at the tower, through a bridged AP,
>> to a bridged SM.
>>
>>
>>
>> I do see 2 MAC Addresses for our AP’s, but I’m trying to MAC telnet
>> into the SM’s. When doing a mac-telnet to the AP, it works fine when
>> connecting to the wireless MAC even though I’m coming in through the
>> ethernet side of things (weird)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I tried changing the MAC to the ethernet interface of the SM just to
>> say I tried it but that didn’t work either….
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Grandpad

[Bill Prince]

LOL! The idea is something that a lot of people have been working on for 
quite a while now. I think the only thing wrong is the name; the blatant 
assumption that confines them to a particular age demographic.



bp


On 11/12/2018 7:40 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Maybe I should buy the kids Grandpads for Christmas.

On 11/12/2018 10:26 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I know one person who got & used a WebTV. He was about 25 at the time.


bp


On 11/11/2018 6:14 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
A long time ago, my relatives bought a WebTV box and internet 
subscription for my grandma to try to get her online... Altogether 
must've cost close to $1K. I'm not sure that it had ever ended up 
being used or even turned on before we removed it.







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Re: [AFMUG] Grandpad

[Adam Moffett]

Maybe I should buy the kids Grandpads for Christmas.

On 11/12/2018 10:26 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I know one person who got & used a WebTV. He was about 25 at the time.


bp


On 11/11/2018 6:14 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
A long time ago, my relatives bought a WebTV box and internet 
subscription for my grandma to try to get her online... Altogether 
must've cost close to $1K. I'm not sure that it had ever ended up 
being used or even turned on before we removed it.





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Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues

[Sam Lambie]

Yeah, during lighter loads of daytime traffic, the link ping perfectly and
the cpu load is less than 70%. At night, frame utilization is less than 70%
but Ethernet discards climb steadily, up to 10% packet loss. I assume that
the processor is lame and can't keep up with the RF side of things. Off to
getting a licensed link ASAP.

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 4:37 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Some definitely don’t like “Canopy sync” esp. on long cables.  New
> “Cambium sync” seems to resolve that.  But he says that he tried powering
> it from just a Cambium POE, which I assume means no sync-over-power.
>
>
>
> There was some discussion about this being an issue with reaching the
> limit of how many PPS the CPU can handle, rather than an Ethernet data
> error problem.  Have you pinned down which it is?  If it’s CPU horsepower,
> I would expect zero packet loss when the link was lightly loaded.
>
>
>
> I’m also assuming this is a constant dribbling error thing, not error free
> for a few days and then down for a minute.  In which case I’d check the LBT
> event counter.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Friday, November 9, 2018 5:21 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues
>
>
>
> Some Cambium devices do not like surge suppressors.  That is why I created
> the CAT6 line of product.
>
>
>
> *From:* Lincoln (AFMUG Lists)
>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 9, 2018 10:45 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP 450 365 with Ethernet Issues
>
>
>
> Hi Sam;
>
> I see where you replaced the surge suppressor.  I would try the following
> in this order.   (1) Bypass the surge suppressor (possible, especially if
> you're out of lightning season).  (2) Use the PoE brick and plug into a
> managed switch port so that you can monitor traffic and errors both on the
> Ethernet switch side and the PTP450 side.
>
> Use PingPlotter (free version) or any other graphing ping tool and ping
> both the switch and PTP 450 at the NOC.  Compare traffic, graphs and SNMP
> results from all these sources.
>
> Set the Ethernet speed and duplex modes on both devices and allow to run.
> Noting the time when you made the changes. Clearing any errors prior to
> making the changes as well.  See if the CRC errors or other are increasing
> significantly on the current settings.  Continue making the changes and
> monitor errors.  Which ever one is increasing the fastest (the device),
> most likely may lead you to the source of the problem.
>
> Check your syslogs as well.  See if the syslogs are showing any activity
> or issues from the PTP450 and the switch.  Check your RMON.   If you are
> able to monitor Netflow or S-Flow on the switch.  See what traffic is
> coming through.  Use a tool like OPManager (free or trial) to monitor the
> switch and see what their built-in tools / graphs for traffic congestion
> shows.
>
> Make sure nothing else on your network is accessing your switch or PTP450
> BH at the NOC.
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 08/11/2018 11:45 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
>
>
> I have a backhaul that is driving me nuts. We have a 6.9 mile link from
> our NOC to the site. The Master at the NOC is exhibiting ehternet errors up
> the wazoo when loaded. During prime time, we are pushing about 70 mbps
> through the link. Wirelessly, everything is perfect, 106/19 with 99% link
> quality and no errors on the RF side of things.
>
> Yesterday I replace the main cable up to the radio, replaced the surge
> suppressor and even plugged in a Cambium power supply to bypass the CMM.
> Then I moved the LAN cable from it's switch to a new switch in case that
> port was choking, nothing has made a difference. I even changed out the
> radio for about an hour a few days ago with no difference.
>
>
>
> Frame utilization has never spiked beyond 68% but the CPU is pegged during
> peak time at 100%
>
>
>
> Any suggestions? or need any other screen shots?
>
>
>
> thanks!
>
>
>
>
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2018-11-08 at 9.43.22 AM.png]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> --
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> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Grandpad

[Bill Prince]

I know one person who got & used a WebTV. He was about 25 at the time.


bp


On 11/11/2018 6:14 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
A long time ago, my relatives bought a WebTV box and internet 
subscription for my grandma to try to get her online... Altogether 
must've cost close to $1K. I'm not sure that it had ever ended up 
being used or even turned on before we removed it.


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Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has anyone ever gotten this working?

[Josh Luthman]

I have always done SSH from RouterOS.  If you made a gateway mistake you
don't need to do anything else, but if you did a bad IP you can just use
static ARP and 169.254.1.1 (or add a similar bad IP).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> Same here. It for sure worked one or two versions back.. I mucked a
> gateway and had to fix it via mac telnet.
>
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 8:46 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Well I can't mac-telnet to a 3.5.1 on the eth port...wonder why...
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It seems to only work from the ethernet side on SMs. I tried it on a
>>> link between two of our towers (I have access to Mikrotiks on both ends of
>>> the link), and I can mac-telnet to the SM from the Mikrotik that's local to
>>> it, but I can't on the one on the other end of the link. The AP works from
>>> both Mikrotiks.
>>>
>>> Also, I think mac-telnet was a fairly recent addition, 3.3 probably
>>> doesn't support it.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 3:47 PM Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You CAN mac-telnet to eth ports?  To an AP?  I can't get that to work
 myself.  What versions are you able to make work?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Justin Marshal 
 wrote:

> Yeah, I would think the same thing. If I’m able to get the CDP/LLDP
> packets I should be able to mac-telnet to it.
>
>
>
> I’m able to mac-telnet to the ethernet side, just not the wlan side.
>
> I can mac-telnet to an SM from a routerOS device at the customer’s
> location but I would like to be able to reach it from the tower through 
> the
> wlan.
>
> It’s almost like mac-telnet is enabled on the ethernet interface and
> not the wlan interface, even though LLDP/CDP get sent for both interfaces.
>
> I wish changing the password helped, but it doesn’t seem to make a
> difference.
>
>
>
> I do appreciate the suggestions…
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 1:52 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has
> anyone ever gotten this working?
>
>
>
> If you're getting those ARP layer 2 packets and can ping it, surely
> you have to be able to mac-telnet (unless the application denies you).
> Defaults should work once you've changed the password according to the 
> GUI.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Justin Marshal 
> wrote:
>
> Me either
>
>
>
> Wondering if there’s a setting that I’m overlooking in the AP that
> keeps it from happening (SM Isolation, etc)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 11:05 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has
> anyone ever gotten this working?
>
>
>
> I can't get into any SM from the wireless side (the MAC we see in
> neighbors is wireless).
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Justin Marshal 
> wrote:
>
> Hmm…
>
>
>
> I’m only seeing one mac address for each SM.  It’s seeing the wireless
> MAC address…
>
> This is directly from a Mikrotik at the tower, through a bridged AP,
> to a bridged SM.
>
>
>
> I do see 2 MAC Addresses for our AP’s, but I’m trying to MAC telnet
> into the SM’s. When doing a mac-telnet to the AP, it works fine when
> connecting to the wireless MAC even though I’m coming in through the
> ethernet side of things (weird)
>
>
>
>
>
> I tried changing the MAC to the ethernet interface of the SM just to
> say I tried it but that didn’t work either….
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the suggestion
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 10:41 AM
> *To:* AFMUG 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has
> anyone ever gotten this working?
>
>
>
> It works fine for me, but it looks like you need to use the wireless
> MA

Re: [AFMUG] YouTube Channel

[Ryan Hill]

Absolutely!  



  
 Ryan Hill 
   Operations Manager
 Amplex Internet
  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047 
  www.amplex.net 






> On Nov 12, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Ben Royer  wrote:
> 
> Awesome Ryan,
>  
> I subscribed.  I’m using Pinnacle Studio 22 Ultimate, there’s a lot to it, 
> but I’m picking it up pretty quick.  I may even ‘borrow’ a few ideas there 
> for our customers!
>  
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>  
> From: Ryan Hill 
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 7:47 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] YouTube Channel
>  
> Those are great Ben.  We're doing something similar but so far we're seeing 
> and hearing some great feedback.  
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4iZVdN71bfYHrP0Lg97ATA 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
>  Ryan Hill
>Operations Manager
>  Amplex Internet
>   (419)837-5015 Ext 1047
>   www.amplex.net 
> 
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 9, 2018, at 12:38 PM, Ben Royer  wrote:
>>  
>> Hey guys,
>>  
>> Just thought I’d share with the list our YouTube channel I just fired up.  
>> We plan to do a series of different types of videos, so bear with the first 
>> few as we were still working out audio, editing software, and other such 
>> stuffs.
>>  
>> With that said, we plan to do categories such as:
>>  
>> Unboxing Videos (Industry focused)
>> How To Videos (Customer Audience Focused)
>> Field Tech Videos (Customer/Industry Focused)
>> Shenanigans (Customer Focused but fun)
>> Charitable Videos (Documenting any charity work we do)
>> Technical Videos (Lengthy but educational industry videos)  -  Don’t give me 
>> any grief about the RF training video, I hadn’t had much coffee and been a 
>> long time since I went over those slides so if I misspoke, meh boo hiss.
>>  
>> Otherwise, I’d love to get feedback from the group on what you guys think.  
>> I’ll link to our channel for now with this video, Tommy took my GoPro helmet 
>> on his latest climb.
>>  
>> https://youtu.be/c4Ld62rozqY 
>>  
>> Thank you,
>> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] YouTube Channel

[Ben Royer]

Awesome Ryan,

I subscribed.  I’m using Pinnacle Studio 22 Ultimate, there’s a lot to it, but 
I’m picking it up pretty quick.  I may even ‘borrow’ a few ideas there for our 
customers!

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Ryan Hill 
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 7:47 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] YouTube Channel

Those are great Ben.  We're doing something similar but so far we're seeing and 
hearing some great feedback.   

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4iZVdN71bfYHrP0Lg97ATA





  
 Ryan Hill 
   Operations Manager
 Amplex Internet
  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047 
  www.amplex.net








  On Nov 9, 2018, at 12:38 PM, Ben Royer  wrote:

  Hey guys, 

  Just thought I’d share with the list our YouTube channel I just fired up.  We 
plan to do a series of different types of videos, so bear with the first few as 
we were still working out audio, editing software, and other such stuffs.

  With that said, we plan to do categories such as: 

  Unboxing Videos (Industry focused)
  How To Videos (Customer Audience Focused)
  Field Tech Videos (Customer/Industry Focused)
  Shenanigans (Customer Focused but fun)
  Charitable Videos (Documenting any charity work we do)
  Technical Videos (Lengthy but educational industry videos)  -  Don’t give me 
any grief about the RF training video, I hadn’t had much coffee and been a long 
time since I went over those slides so if I misspoke, meh boo hiss.

  Otherwise, I’d love to get feedback from the group on what you guys think.  
I’ll link to our channel for now with this video, Tommy took my GoPro helmet on 
his latest climb.

  https://youtu.be/c4Ld62rozqY

  Thank you,
  Ben Royer, Operations Manager
  Royell Communications, Inc.
  217-965-3699 www.royell.net

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Re: [AFMUG] Grandpad

[Ken Hohhof]

I think we had one WebTV user get a PC and connect to the Internet through us 
when WebTV shut down.

 

I also remember at least one customer with a “computer for seniors”, the 
closest I can find with a Google search is www.mywowcomputer.com 
  maybe that’s it.  Honestly they seem to have 
all the features right, the only downsides being it is not mobile like the 
Grandpad, and it costs around $1100.  Certainly a more appealing name.  Looking 
at this page:  https://www.mywowcomputer.com/faqs.aspx I have to grudgingly 
admit they have done a very good job of understanding the needs and checking 
all the boxes, at least for a desktop unit.  For a mobile device, most seniors 
I run into are happy with an iPad, although even with iOS, smartphones seem to 
rely too much on knowing what magic sequence is needed to accomplish some task, 
they are not as intuitive as they would have you believe.

  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2018 10:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Grandpad

 

I remember WebTV.  I seem to also remember a device that would POP your email 
account and print the messages. I imagine it couldn't send anything.

The only demeaning thing about GrandPad might be the name.  They didn't call 
WebTV "GrandDads's TV Web".



On 11/11/2018 9:14 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

There's a big audience of seniors who are not good with technology and would be 
helped by this... I think it is a reasonable assumption and product.

 

A long time ago, my relatives bought a WebTV box and internet subscription for 
my grandma to try to get her online... Altogether must've cost close to $1K. 
I'm not sure that it had ever ended up being used or even turned on before we 
removed it.

 

 

 

On Nov 11, 2018 7:04 PM, "Ken Hohhof" mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
> wrote:

Saw this advertised on TV (by Consumer Cellular).  Am I just being grouchy, or 
is this thing demeaning to seniors?

 

https://www.grandpad.net/

 

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Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has anyone ever gotten this working?

[Joe Novak]

Same here. It for sure worked one or two versions back.. I mucked a gateway
and had to fix it via mac telnet.

On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 8:46 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Well I can't mac-telnet to a 3.5.1 on the eth port...wonder why...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> It seems to only work from the ethernet side on SMs. I tried it on a link
>> between two of our towers (I have access to Mikrotiks on both ends of the
>> link), and I can mac-telnet to the SM from the Mikrotik that's local to it,
>> but I can't on the one on the other end of the link. The AP works from both
>> Mikrotiks.
>>
>> Also, I think mac-telnet was a fairly recent addition, 3.3 probably
>> doesn't support it.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 3:47 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You CAN mac-telnet to eth ports?  To an AP?  I can't get that to work
>>> myself.  What versions are you able to make work?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Justin Marshal 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I would think the same thing. If I’m able to get the CDP/LLDP
 packets I should be able to mac-telnet to it.



 I’m able to mac-telnet to the ethernet side, just not the wlan side.

 I can mac-telnet to an SM from a routerOS device at the customer’s
 location but I would like to be able to reach it from the tower through the
 wlan.

 It’s almost like mac-telnet is enabled on the ethernet interface and
 not the wlan interface, even though LLDP/CDP get sent for both interfaces.

 I wish changing the password helped, but it doesn’t seem to make a
 difference.



 I do appreciate the suggestions…



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 1:52 PM

 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has anyone
 ever gotten this working?



 If you're getting those ARP layer 2 packets and can ping it, surely you
 have to be able to mac-telnet (unless the application denies you).
 Defaults should work once you've changed the password according to the GUI.




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Justin Marshal 
 wrote:

 Me either



 Wondering if there’s a setting that I’m overlooking in the AP that
 keeps it from happening (SM Isolation, etc)



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 11:05 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 


 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has anyone
 ever gotten this working?



 I can't get into any SM from the wireless side (the MAC we see in
 neighbors is wireless).




 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Justin Marshal 
 wrote:

 Hmm…



 I’m only seeing one mac address for each SM.  It’s seeing the wireless
 MAC address…

 This is directly from a Mikrotik at the tower, through a bridged AP, to
 a bridged SM.



 I do see 2 MAC Addresses for our AP’s, but I’m trying to MAC telnet
 into the SM’s. When doing a mac-telnet to the AP, it works fine when
 connecting to the wireless MAC even though I’m coming in through the
 ethernet side of things (weird)





 I tried changing the MAC to the ethernet interface of the SM just to
 say I tried it but that didn’t work either….





 Thanks for the suggestion





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
 *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2018 10:41 AM
 *To:* AFMUG 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] mac telnet from RouterOS to an ePMP, has anyone
 ever gotten this working?



 It works fine for me, but it looks like you need to use the wireless
 MAC address, and not the ethernet MAC (this is on an AP in bridge mode, an
 SM in router mode would be different, I assume). I initially just right
 clicked on the MAC in the neighbor list in Winbox, and selected MAC, and it
 connected fine... after that, I realized both MAC addresses were there, so
 I tried the other one, and it just disconnected.



 On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 9:28 AM Justin Marshal 
 wrote:

 Hi,



 I'm trying to get mac-telnet to work from a RouterOS device to an e

Re: [AFMUG] YouTube Channel

[Ryan Hill]

Those are great Ben.  We're doing something similar but so far we're seeing and 
hearing some great feedback.  

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4iZVdN71bfYHrP0Lg97ATA



  
 Ryan Hill 
   Operations Manager
 Amplex Internet
  (419)837-5015 Ext 1047 
  www.amplex.net 






> On Nov 9, 2018, at 12:38 PM, Ben Royer  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
>  
> Just thought I’d share with the list our YouTube channel I just fired up.  We 
> plan to do a series of different types of videos, so bear with the first few 
> as we were still working out audio, editing software, and other such stuffs.
>  
> With that said, we plan to do categories such as:
>  
> Unboxing Videos (Industry focused)
> How To Videos (Customer Audience Focused)
> Field Tech Videos (Customer/Industry Focused)
> Shenanigans (Customer Focused but fun)
> Charitable Videos (Documenting any charity work we do)
> Technical Videos (Lengthy but educational industry videos)  -  Don’t give me 
> any grief about the RF training video, I hadn’t had much coffee and been a 
> long time since I went over those slides so if I misspoke, meh boo hiss.
>  
> Otherwise, I’d love to get feedback from the group on what you guys think.  
> I’ll link to our channel for now with this video, Tommy took my GoPro helmet 
> on his latest climb.
>  
> https://youtu.be/c4Ld62rozqY 
>  
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>  
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