Re: [AFMUG] Back from the dead.....

[Bill Prince]

No more dead or a live than Dragonwave.

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:16 PM Daniel White  wrote:

> Jim has too much Trango deployed in his network to let it disappear.  I
> don't see it going away anytime soon.
>
> New products though... not sure what their R capabilities are now.
>
> 
> Daniel White
> Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
> direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
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> Ryan Ray wrote on 3/4/19 22:10:
>
> Interesting. Just a little hard to trust a company that already went down.
> Fool me once
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:58 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I did not expect this one.
>>
>> Hello Adam,
>>
>> Ray Sewell here. I wanted to let you know that Trango Systems sold off
>> its assets to a new company. The new company is Trango Networks, LLC.
>> Trango Networks will continue manufacturing the Orion/Lynx series of
>> licensed microwave radios and providing support for most of the other
>> products.  We are also actively developing new products.
>>
>> We are going to manufacture the Orion series. We’ll start with the Apex
>> Orion which is our all outdoor system that runs on -48 Vdc via POE or
>> Direct DC power.  It supports 1 copper and 1 fiber Ethernet port.  It is
>> also capable of XPIC (Cross Polarization Interference Cancellation), 8 MB
>> programmable packet buffer, Multilayer header compression to increase
>> capacity, ultra-low latency & jitter in all ACM modes, Very high power and
>> 500 Mbps FDX throughput on a 56 MHz channel.  Up to 761 Mbps FDX Layer 2
>> using Header Compression.  The split design Giga Orion will be shipping by
>> May.
>>
>> Some of the qualities that make us stand out from the competition.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1) High Quality US designed and manufactured products
>>
>> 2) Factory Direct - no middleman.
>>
>> 3) Ultra-Fast lead times for products.  Much is in stock or less than
>> 2-week lead time for common bands/antenna sizes.
>>
>> 4) Pre-sales support- Free Path analysis, frequency availability analysis.
>>
>> 5) One stop shop for accessories, licensing, coordination.
>>
>> 6) Link Configuration based on customer inputs at ship time with box
>> labeling
>>
>> 7) Online support ticketing, live person tech support and engineer
>> escalation for tough problems.
>>
>> 8) Fast RMA turn times (< 2weeks).
>>
>> 9) Free software upgrades and technical data via Trango Support portal
>>
>> 10) Competitive pricing and warranty.
>>
>>
>>
>> Let me know if I can be of any assistance.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray Sewell
>>
>> Technical Sales Support
>>
>> 858-248-4010 Direct
>>
>> www.gotrango.com
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Back from the dead.....

[Daniel White]

Jim has too much Trango deployed in his network to let it disappear.  I 
don't see it going away anytime soon.


New products though... not sure what their R capabilities are now.


Daniel White
Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
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Ryan Ray wrote on 3/4/19 22:10:
Interesting. Just a little hard to trust a company that already went 
down. Fool me once


On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:58 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


I did not expect this one.


Hello Adam,

Ray Sewell here. I wanted to let you know that Trango Systems
sold off its assets to a new company. The new company is Trango
Networks, LLC.  Trango Networks will continue manufacturing the
Orion/Lynx series of licensed microwave radios and providing
support for most of the other products.  We are also actively
developing new products.

We are going to manufacture the Orion series. We’ll start with
the Apex Orion which is our all outdoor system that runs on -48
Vdc via POE or Direct DC power.  It supports 1 copper and 1 fiber
Ethernet port.  It is also capable of XPIC (Cross Polarization
Interference Cancellation), 8 MB programmable packet buffer,
Multilayer header compression to increase capacity, ultra-low
latency & jitter in all ACM modes, Very high power and 500 Mbps
FDX throughput on a 56 MHz channel.  Up to 761 Mbps FDX Layer 2
using Header Compression.  The split design Giga Orion will be
shipping by May.

Some of the qualities that make us stand out from the competition.

1) High Quality US designed and manufactured products

2) Factory Direct - no middleman.

3) Ultra-Fast lead times for products.  Much is in stock or less
than 2-week lead time for common bands/antenna sizes.

4) Pre-sales support- Free Path analysis, frequency availability
analysis.

5) One stop shop for accessories, licensing, coordination.

6) Link Configuration based on customer inputs at ship time with
box labeling

7) Online support ticketing, live person tech support and
engineer escalation for tough problems.

8) Fast RMA turn times (< 2weeks).

9) Free software upgrades and technical data via Trango Support
portal

10) Competitive pricing and warranty.

Let me know if I can be of any assistance.

Sincerely,

Ray Sewell

Technical Sales Support

858-248-4010 Direct

www.gotrango.com 

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Re: [AFMUG] Back from the dead.....

[Ryan Ray]

Interesting. Just a little hard to trust a company that already went down.
Fool me once

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:58 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I did not expect this one.
>
> Hello Adam,
>
> Ray Sewell here. I wanted to let you know that Trango Systems sold off its
> assets to a new company. The new company is Trango Networks, LLC.  Trango
> Networks will continue manufacturing the Orion/Lynx series of licensed
> microwave radios and providing support for most of the other products.  We
> are also actively developing new products.
>
> We are going to manufacture the Orion series. We’ll start with the Apex
> Orion which is our all outdoor system that runs on -48 Vdc via POE or
> Direct DC power.  It supports 1 copper and 1 fiber Ethernet port.  It is
> also capable of XPIC (Cross Polarization Interference Cancellation), 8 MB
> programmable packet buffer, Multilayer header compression to increase
> capacity, ultra-low latency & jitter in all ACM modes, Very high power and
> 500 Mbps FDX throughput on a 56 MHz channel.  Up to 761 Mbps FDX Layer 2
> using Header Compression.  The split design Giga Orion will be shipping by
> May.
>
> Some of the qualities that make us stand out from the competition.
>
>
>
> 1) High Quality US designed and manufactured products
>
> 2) Factory Direct - no middleman.
>
> 3) Ultra-Fast lead times for products.  Much is in stock or less than
> 2-week lead time for common bands/antenna sizes.
>
> 4) Pre-sales support- Free Path analysis, frequency availability analysis.
>
> 5) One stop shop for accessories, licensing, coordination.
>
> 6) Link Configuration based on customer inputs at ship time with box
> labeling
>
> 7) Online support ticketing, live person tech support and engineer
> escalation for tough problems.
>
> 8) Fast RMA turn times (< 2weeks).
>
> 9) Free software upgrades and technical data via Trango Support portal
>
> 10) Competitive pricing and warranty.
>
>
>
> Let me know if I can be of any assistance.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Ray Sewell
>
> Technical Sales Support
>
> 858-248-4010 Direct
>
> www.gotrango.com
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[AFMUG] Remote work

[Timothy Steele]

Looking for Remote work so I can stay in the Philippines with my wife for 2
years don't need to make much as it's super cheap there..

If anyone has any ideas of what they would need done Remote and what you
would be willing to pay please let me know


Sense no one seems to want a remote WISP worker I'm thinking of starting my
own Remote service

Any ideas welcome


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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Whatever it is, they said they will be providing more information
  tomorrow (March 5).


bp



On 3/4/2019 5:25 PM, Chuck McCown
  wrote:


  
  

  It is fake news, I am certain.  A 1 MVA transformer will
be as large as the car.  
  

   
  
From: Mathew
Howard 
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 6:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
  

 
  
  
I don't think it was a matter of
  misinterpretation, there are lots of different websites
  saying "under five minutes"... they can't all be making
  that mistake.
   
  I suppose it could be something like it's possible to
charge these mystery batteries that fast, but it isn't
actually going to happen in a real car.

 

  On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at
6:54 PM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:
  
  

  
Pretty sure the people writing
  the article misread or misinterpreted that line of
  text, lol!
 
Math just doesn’t add up.
 

  
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric
  car
  

 

  

  The headline reads:


  All-electric
  GT unveiled with over 300 miles of
  range and 5-min charging enabled by
  mysterious battery


  

   


  
From:
Sterling Jacobson 
  
  
Sent:
Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM
  
  
To:
AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  
  
Subject:
Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
  

  
  
 
  


  Again, I think they meant about 5
  hours to charge, not just under four
  minutes, lol!
   
  From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
  Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New
  electric car
   
  
I thought I read that Tesla
announced a new "super" super charger
that could do 350KW.

  

  

  

  
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[AFMUG] Back from the dead.....

[Adam Moffett]

I did not expect this one.


Hello Adam,

Ray Sewell here. I wanted to let you know that Trango Systems sold off 
its assets to a new company. The new company is Trango Networks, LLC.  
Trango Networks will continue manufacturing the Orion/Lynx series of 
licensed microwave radios and providing support for most of the other 
products.  We are also actively developing new products.


We are going to manufacture the Orion series. We’ll start with the 
Apex Orion which is our all outdoor system that runs on -48 Vdc via 
POE or Direct DC power.  It supports 1 copper and 1 fiber Ethernet 
port.  It is also capable of XPIC (Cross Polarization Interference 
Cancellation), 8 MB programmable packet buffer, Multilayer header 
compression to increase capacity, ultra-low latency & jitter in all 
ACM modes, Very high power and 500 Mbps FDX throughput on a 56 MHz 
channel.  Up to 761 Mbps FDX Layer 2 using Header Compression.  The 
split design Giga Orion will be shipping by May.


Some of the qualities that make us stand out from the competition.

1) High Quality US designed and manufactured products

2) Factory Direct - no middleman.

3) Ultra-Fast lead times for products.  Much is in stock or less than 
2-week lead time for common bands/antenna sizes.


4) Pre-sales support- Free Path analysis, frequency availability analysis.

5) One stop shop for accessories, licensing, coordination.

6) Link Configuration based on customer inputs at ship time with box 
labeling


7) Online support ticketing, live person tech support and engineer 
escalation for tough problems.


8) Fast RMA turn times (< 2weeks).

9) Free software upgrades and technical data via Trango Support portal

10) Competitive pricing and warranty.

Let me know if I can be of any assistance.

Sincerely,

Ray Sewell

Technical Sales Support

858-248-4010 Direct

www.gotrango.com 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Robert]

There are nano-carbon anode battery experiments from 2-3 years ago that 
claimed just that kind of charging density.   Could they have gotten 
that to actual into production?  The word out here is that the Tesla 
plant is in the process of moving to the next generation of battery 
production.


On 3/4/19 5:41 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
"But the team is making extraordinary claims about charging, saying the 
Mark Zero is capable of blast-charging from 0 to 80 percent of its full 
capacity in 4 minutes and 40 seconds. The battery is built by Desten 
Group, Limited , a Chinese/German operation 
based in Hong Kong.


Desten is cagey with details about its batteries, but claims 
"exceptionally high charge rates, 10C or higher," as well as power 
density in excess of 1600 watts per kilogram. The company says its cells 
can be fast charged and discharged 5,000 times before they drop to a 
capacity of 80 percent, suggesting excellent longevity particularly if 
the cars are charged slowly overnight most of the time."


Definitely not a mistake... who knows whether or not they can actually 
do it, but there appears to be a few different companies claiming 
they're making batteries that can handle 10C charge rates. I think 
they're just using the battery manufacturer's charging claims, and not 
actually expecting to be able to charge a real car that fast.



On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:26 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


It is fake news, I am certain.  A 1 MVA transformer will be as large
as the car.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Monday, March 04, 2019 6:19 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
I don't think it was a matter of misinterpretation, there are lots
of different websites saying "under five minutes"... they can't all
be making that mistake.
I suppose it could be something like it's possible to charge these
mystery batteries that fast, but it isn't actually going to happen
in a real car.
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:54 PM Sterling Jacobson
 wrote:

Pretty sure the people writing the article misread or
misinterpreted that line of text, lol!



Math just doesn’t add up.



*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car



The headline reads:

All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min
charging enabled by mysterious battery





*From:*Sterling Jacobson 

*Sent:*Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car



Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just
under four minutes, lol!



*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car



I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super
charger that could do 350KW.




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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke 
wrote:

Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to
your house?  Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are
200-250kw. 

On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Piech Mark Zero

Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would
be a 100 kWh battery.  OK, within the realm of
posibilities.



4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.



So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the
battery.

83/.077=1067 kW



So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge? 

2223 amps of 480 service. 



I am doubting this. 





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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Ken Hohhof]

A NASCAR pit stop is only about 15 seconds, maybe they want to race it.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 7:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

"But the team is making extraordinary claims about charging, saying the Mark 
Zero is capable of blast-charging from 0 to 80 percent of its full capacity in 
4 minutes and 40 seconds. The battery is built by   
Desten Group, Limited, a Chinese/German operation based in Hong Kong.

Desten is cagey with details about its batteries, but claims "exceptionally 
high charge rates, 10C or higher," as well as power density in excess of 1600 
watts per kilogram. The company says its cells can be fast charged and 
discharged 5,000 times before they drop to a capacity of 80 percent, suggesting 
excellent longevity particularly if the cars are charged slowly overnight most 
of the time."

Definitely not a mistake... who knows whether or not they can actually do it, 
but there appears to be a few different companies claiming they're making 
batteries that can handle 10C charge rates. I think they're just using the 
battery manufacturer's charging claims, and not actually expecting to be able 
to charge a real car that fast.

 

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:26 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

It is fake news, I am certain.  A 1 MVA transformer will be as large as the 
car.  

 

From: Mathew Howard 

Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 6:19 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

I don't think it was a matter of misinterpretation, there are lots of different 
websites saying "under five minutes"... they can't all be making that mistake. 

 

I suppose it could be something like it's possible to charge these mystery 
batteries that fast, but it isn't actually going to happen in a real car.

 

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:54 PM Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net> > wrote:

Pretty sure the people writing the article misread or misinterpreted that line 
of text, lol!

 

Math just doesn’t add up.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

The headline reads:

 

 All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min charging 
enabled by mysterious battery

 

From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four minutes, 
lol!

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that could do 
350KW.




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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  Didn't 
I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.  

On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

Piech Mark Zero

Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery.  
OK, within the realm of posibilities.

 

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

 

So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.

83/.077=1067 kW

 

So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?  

2223 amps of 480 service.  

 

I am doubting this.  

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Mathew Howard]

"But the team is making extraordinary claims about charging, saying the
Mark Zero is capable of blast-charging from 0 to 80 percent of its full
capacity in 4 minutes and 40 seconds. The battery is built by Desten Group,
Limited , a Chinese/German operation based in Hong
Kong.

Desten is cagey with details about its batteries, but claims "exceptionally
high charge rates, 10C or higher," as well as power density in excess of
1600 watts per kilogram. The company says its cells can be fast charged and
discharged 5,000 times before they drop to a capacity of 80 percent,
suggesting excellent longevity particularly if the cars are charged slowly
overnight most of the time."

Definitely not a mistake... who knows whether or not they can actually do
it, but there appears to be a few different companies claiming they're
making batteries that can handle 10C charge rates. I think they're just
using the battery manufacturer's charging claims, and not actually
expecting to be able to charge a real car that fast.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:26 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> It is fake news, I am certain.  A 1 MVA transformer will be as large as
> the car.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, March 04, 2019 6:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>
> I don't think it was a matter of misinterpretation, there are lots of
> different websites saying "under five minutes"... they can't all be making
> that mistake.
>
> I suppose it could be something like it's possible to charge these mystery
> batteries that fast, but it isn't actually going to happen in a real car.
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:54 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure the people writing the article misread or misinterpreted that
>> line of text, lol!
>>
>>
>>
>> Math just doesn’t add up.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>>
>>
>>
>> The headline reads:
>>
>> All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min charging
>> enabled by mysterious battery
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four
>> minutes, lol!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that
>> could do 350KW.
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>> Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?
>> Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
>>
>> On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Piech Mark Zero
>>
>> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh
>> battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>>
>>
>>
>> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
>>
>> 83/.077=1067 kW
>>
>>
>>
>> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
>>
>> 2223 amps of 480 service.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am doubting this.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Mathew Howard]

If they can make it work, I could see them building something like that
just to show off, but there's no way they're going to let a normal person
use it.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:26 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> It is fake news, I am certain.  A 1 MVA transformer will be as large as
> the car.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, March 04, 2019 6:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>
> I don't think it was a matter of misinterpretation, there are lots of
> different websites saying "under five minutes"... they can't all be making
> that mistake.
>
> I suppose it could be something like it's possible to charge these mystery
> batteries that fast, but it isn't actually going to happen in a real car.
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:54 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure the people writing the article misread or misinterpreted that
>> line of text, lol!
>>
>>
>>
>> Math just doesn’t add up.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>>
>>
>>
>> The headline reads:
>>
>> All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min charging
>> enabled by mysterious battery
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four
>> minutes, lol!
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that
>> could do 350KW.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> bp
>>
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>> Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?
>> Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
>>
>> On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> Piech Mark Zero
>>
>> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh
>> battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>>
>>
>>
>> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
>>
>> 83/.077=1067 kW
>>
>>
>>
>> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
>>
>> 2223 amps of 480 service.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am doubting this.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Latest iteration.

[Chuck McCown]

Brace arms are attached with regular bolts.  U bolts hold the vertical 
antenna mount to the plate that the arms attach to.


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 6:00 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Latest iteration.

I thought from the image that the brace arms were attached with u bolts
and so were adjustable to make up for different angles/distances between
studs, must have seen that wrong...

On 03/04/2019 03:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Maybe I will make that an option.
*From:* Brian Sullivan
*Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:12 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Latest iteration.
Adjustable length support arms help when you are trying plumb the mast/hit 
a stud.

Roof trusses are sometimes 2' on center.  (at least on my house they are)

On 3/4/2019 4:52 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Baltic has an add-on tray that bolts onto an existing non-pen mount to 
make it a ridge mount.  It's just a few more pieces of angle iron.

https://www.balticnetworks.com/non-penetrating-roof-peak-tray.html

I've added that tray onto a Rohn non-pen just by drilling a couple of new 
bolt holes in the corners of the Rohn. Otherwise the dimensions were 
close enough.  On a Rohn the mast ended up not plumb, but on a shallow 
pitched roof it was good enough.  If you bought Baltic's whole assembly 
then you'd have a u-slot to adjust a 3rd leg on the nonpen mount to bring 
it to plumb.

https://www.balticnetworks.com/maxxwave-adjustable-2in-non-penetrating-roof-mount.html

I'm not saying you should or shouldn't do a ridge mount, but these 
products do already exist at decent prices and I can't picture what 
differentiation there would really be.  
Maybe yours would be more expensive than Baltic, but more rugged and 
cheaper than Baird?


-Adam


On 3/4/2019 4:12 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Ridge mount.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 1:58 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Latest iteration.

Are people asking for a flat roof non pen, or a peak (ridge) mount?   It’s 
not hard to find a good, relatively inexpensive flat roof non pen (Rohn 
and Nello have lots of variations), so I’m kind of assuming people want 
a peak mount?


Baird makes nice ones, but they aren’t cheap.

https://www.bairdmounts.com/products/wireless/by-category/Peaked-Roof-Mounts?ccid=18

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 2:21 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Latest iteration.

Been asked for a non pen version.  Seems like there are tons of them out 
there.


Is there a need for a particular configuration that you can’t find?

This is designed to be able to support a 2-3’ diameter licensed 
microwave dish.


*From:*ch...@wbmfg.com

*Sent:*Monday, March 4, 2019 12:34 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Latest iteration.

Roof mount.

Getting close to making some prototypes.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Mathew Howard]

I don't think it was a matter of misinterpretation, there are lots of
different websites saying "under five minutes"... they can't all be making
that mistake.

I suppose it could be something like it's possible to charge these mystery
batteries that fast, but it isn't actually going to happen in a real car.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:54 PM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Pretty sure the people writing the article misread or misinterpreted that
> line of text, lol!
>
>
>
> Math just doesn’t add up.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>
>
>
> The headline reads:
>
> All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min charging
> enabled by mysterious battery
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>
>
>
> Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four
> minutes, lol!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>
>
>
> I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that
> could do 350KW.
>
>
> --
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>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?
> Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
>
> On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Piech Mark Zero
>
> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh
> battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>
>
>
> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>
>
>
> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
>
> 83/.077=1067 kW
>
>
>
> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
>
> 2223 amps of 480 service.
>
>
>
> I am doubting this.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Chuck McCown]

Personally, I would not want to be standing near a car that is taking a 1MW 
drink from the garden hose.  

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 5:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Pretty sure the people writing the article misread or misinterpreted that line 
of text, lol!

 

Math just doesn’t add up.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

The headline reads:

All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min charging 
enabled by mysterious battery

 

From: Sterling Jacobson 

Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four minutes, 
lol!

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that could do 
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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

  Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  
Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.  

  On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Piech Mark Zero

Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh 
battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.

 

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

 

So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.

83/.077=1067 kW

 

So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?  

2223 amps of 480 service.  

 

I am doubting this.  

 

   

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Re: [AFMUG] Latest iteration.

[Robert Andrews]

I thought from the image that the brace arms were attached with u bolts 
and so were adjustable to make up for different angles/distances between 
studs, must have seen that wrong...


On 03/04/2019 03:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Maybe I will make that an option.
*From:* Brian Sullivan
*Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:12 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Latest iteration.
Adjustable length support arms help when you are trying plumb the 
mast/hit a stud.

Roof trusses are sometimes 2' on center.  (at least on my house they are)

On 3/4/2019 4:52 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Baltic has an add-on tray that bolts onto an existing non-pen mount to 
make it a ridge mount.  It's just a few more pieces of angle iron.

https://www.balticnetworks.com/non-penetrating-roof-peak-tray.html

I've added that tray onto a Rohn non-pen just by drilling a couple of 
new bolt holes in the corners of the Rohn. Otherwise the dimensions 
were close enough.  On a Rohn the mast ended up not plumb, but on a 
shallow pitched roof it was good enough.  If you bought Baltic's whole 
assembly then you'd have a u-slot to adjust a 3rd leg on the nonpen 
mount to bring it to plumb.

https://www.balticnetworks.com/maxxwave-adjustable-2in-non-penetrating-roof-mount.html

I'm not saying you should or shouldn't do a ridge mount, but these 
products do already exist at decent prices and I can't picture what 
differentiation there would really be.  
Maybe yours would be more expensive than Baltic, but more rugged and 
cheaper than Baird?


-Adam


On 3/4/2019 4:12 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Ridge mount.
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 1:58 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Latest iteration.

Are people asking for a flat roof non pen, or a peak (ridge) mount?   
It’s not hard to find a good, relatively inexpensive flat roof non 
pen (Rohn and Nello have lots of variations), so I’m kind of assuming 
people want a peak mount?


Baird makes nice ones, but they aren’t cheap.

https://www.bairdmounts.com/products/wireless/by-category/Peaked-Roof-Mounts?ccid=18

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 2:21 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Latest iteration.

Been asked for a non pen version.  Seems like there are tons of them 
out there.


Is there a need for a particular configuration that you can’t find?

This is designed to be able to support a 2-3’ diameter licensed 
microwave dish.


*From:*ch...@wbmfg.com

*Sent:*Monday, March 4, 2019 12:34 PM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Latest iteration.

Roof mount.

Getting close to making some prototypes.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Sterling Jacobson]

Pretty sure the people writing the article misread or misinterpreted that line 
of text, lol!

Math just doesn’t add up.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 5:41 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

The headline reads:
All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min charging 
enabled by mysterious 
battery

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four minutes, 
lol!

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that could do 
350KW.

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mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  Didn't 
I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Piech Mark Zero
Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery.  
OK, within the realm of posibilities.

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
83/.077=1067 kW

So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
2223 amps of 480 service.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Chuck McCown]

The headline reads:
All-electric GT unveiled with over 300 miles of range and 5-min charging 
enabled by mysterious battery

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 5:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four minutes, 
lol!

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

 

I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that could do 
350KW.




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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

  Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  
Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.  

  On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Piech Mark Zero

Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh 
battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.

 

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

 

So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.

83/.077=1067 kW

 

So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?  

2223 amps of 480 service.  

 

I am doubting this.  

 

   

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Bill Prince]

They announced it today as the Supercharger V3. Capable of up to 350KW, but
would "typically" run in the 200KW range (give or take). To take advantage
of the higher charge rates, the vehicle battery packs will need to be
enhanced to allow them to take that amount of power.

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:01 PM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four
> minutes, lol!
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car
>
>
>
> I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that
> could do 350KW.
>
>
> --
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>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?
> Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
>
> On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Piech Mark Zero
>
> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh
> battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>
>
>
> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>
>
>
> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
>
> 83/.077=1067 kW
>
>
>
> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
>
> 2223 amps of 480 service.
>
>
>
> I am doubting this.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Sterling Jacobson]

Again, I think they meant about 5 hours to charge, not just under four minutes, 
lol!

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

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mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:
Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  Didn't 
I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Piech Mark Zero
Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery.  
OK, within the realm of posibilities.

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
83/.077=1067 kW

So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
2223 amps of 480 service.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Bill Prince]

I thought I read that Tesla announced a new "super" super charger that
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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 2:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?
> Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.
>
> On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Piech Mark Zero
> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh
> battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>
> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>
> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
> 83/.077=1067 kW
>
> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
> 2223 amps of 480 service.
>
> I am doubting this.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Sterling Jacobson]

Maybe he meant charges in four hours and 43 minutes. Which is still decent?

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 4:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

https://electrek.co/2019/03/04/electric-gt-piech-mark-zero-mysterious-battery/

From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Believe it once you have one on-hand.  A lot of lofty talk and not much walk in 
the (potential) electric car market.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:21 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Piech Mark Zero
Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery.  
OK, within the realm of posibilities.

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
83/.077=1067 kW

So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
2223 amps of 480 service.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[chuck]

https://electrek.co/2019/03/04/electric-gt-piech-mark-zero-mysterious-battery/

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Believe it once you have one on-hand.  A lot of lofty talk and not much walk in 
the (potential) electric car market.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:21 PM  wrote:

  Piech Mark Zero
  Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery. 
 OK, within the realm of posibilities.

  4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

  So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
  83/.077=1067 kW

  So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?  
  2223 amps of 480 service.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

[chuck]

The capsule looks more futuristic too as far as the inside and outside finish 
goes.  
Just s cool that private industry has been able to do this.  

From: Craig Schmaderer 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

Chuck, that is so awesome.   I have almost watch all SpaceX launches live.  I 
was up that night and watched it dock.  Let him know he has a fan…. Craig.

 

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Subject: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

 

But my oldest son made some of the parts of the dragon capsule that docked at 
the ISS.  Closest I ever got to any of that was building scale models of the 
Saturn V when I was a kid.  Exciting times to be alive.  




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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Jason McKemie]

Believe it once you have one on-hand.  A lot of lofty talk and not much
walk in the (potential) electric car market.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:21 PM  wrote:

> Piech Mark Zero
> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh
> battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>
> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>
> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
> 83/.077=1067 kW
>
> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
> 2223 amps of 480 service.
>
> I am doubting this.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

[Craig Schmaderer]

Chuck, that is so awesome.   I have almost watch all SpaceX launches live.  I 
was up that night and watched it dock.  Let him know he has a fan Craig.

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Subject: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[chuck]

That would be much more believable.  17 kW

From: Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

It’s not really 4hrs 40 minutes is it?





  On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:20 PM,   wrote:

  Piech Mark Zero
  Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery. 
 OK, within the realm of posibilities.

  4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

  So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
  83/.077=1067 kW

  So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?  
  2223 amps of 480 service.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[chuck]

Yes, Tesla are that beefy, this new car is 4x that beefy.   
Not likely.  

I am wondering if someone got something wrong in the press release.  They claim 
the batts don’t heat during charging too.  

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  Didn't 
I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.  


On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Piech Mark Zero
  Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery. 
 OK, within the realm of posibilities.

  4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

  So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
  83/.077=1067 kW

  So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?  
  2223 amps of 480 service.  

  I am doubting this.  

   






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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Nate Burke]

Isn't that the kind of electric service you have running to your house?  
Didn't I see the latest Tesla chargers are 200-250kw.


On 3/4/2019 4:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Piech Mark Zero
Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh 
battery.  OK, within the realm of posibilities.

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
83/.077=1067 kW
So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge?
2223 amps of 480 service.
I am doubting this.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT New electric car

[Cassidy B. Larson]

It’s not really 4hrs 40 minutes is it?


> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:20 PM,   wrote:
> 
> Piech Mark Zero
> Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery. 
>  OK, within the realm of posibilities.
>  
> 4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.
>  
> So 280 seconds or .077 hours to dump 83 kWh into the battery.
> 83/.077=1067 kW
>  
> So you have to have 1 Megawatt power source to charge? 
> 2223 amps of 480 service. 
>  
> I am doubting this. 
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[AFMUG] OT New electric car

[chuck]

Piech Mark Zero
Claims 311 mile range.  At 3.11 miles per kW that would be a 100 kWh battery.  
OK, within the realm of posibilities.

4:40 minutes to 80% battery capacity.

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83/.077=1067 kW

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Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

hell.  to the yes!!

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  Subject: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging


  But my oldest son made some of the parts of the dragon capsule that docked at 
the ISS.  Closest I ever got to any of that was building scale models of the 
Saturn V when I was a kid.  Exciting times to be alive.  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

[Mathew Howard]

mmm... fuzzy water... sounds delicious!

I feel like I've been deprived, having had clean water and indoor toilets
my entire life.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 1:34 PM  wrote:

> And texture!
>
> Later in life, we moved to another ranch that had a similar reservoir.  My
> brother moved back home after being a city dweller for many years. One
> morning noticed that there was something fuzzy in the water.  Hair.  Mouse
> hair.
>
> He drained the reservoir that afternoon and scrubbed with bleach.  So we
> had bleach tasting water for several weeks and the rodents had bleach water
> to float upon for a while...
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 12:26 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging
>
> Either way, I'm sure it adds flavor...
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:34 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> Live stuff swimming around in it is much better than dead stuff floating
>> in it...
>>
>> On 03/04/2019 10:10 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> > We have lived in a very rural property for almost 23 years. Our well is
>> > thankfully about 600 feet from the house.
>> >
>> > However, our water tank was originally a redwood tank that was (we were
>> > told) a reclaimed pickle barrel. That would have been some huge batch
>> of
>> > pickles at over 5,000 gallons, but I digress. We accelerated our plan
>> to
>> > replace it when I found frogs swimming around in it.
>> >
>> > --
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>> > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:59 AM > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > A bit uphill and probably 100 feet away.  It was between the
>> > bunkhouse and the woodshed.
>> > The well and reservoir was way up the hill beyond that.  I thought
>> > nothing of the weekly sojourns to the reservoir to scoop the dead
>> > mice and other animals off the top of the water.  Long bamboo stick
>> > with a strainer wired to the end.
>> > *From:* Bill Prince
>> > *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 10:40 AM
>> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging
>> > eeewww. The outhouse was UPHILL from the kitchen?!?
>> > --
>> > bp
>> > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:30 AM  wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks everyone, I have forwarded your comments.
>> > When I look back at when I was a kid, living in an unpainted
>> > farm house in Oregon,  outhouse up the hill from the kitchen
>> > door (that’s right, no toilet in the house,  this was before
>> > hippies,  my folks were just poor dirt farmers),
>> > I have to marvel at all the good things that have come my way.
>> > Every day I give thanks that warm water comes out my showerhead.
>> > *From:* Bill Prince
>> > *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 10:21 AM
>> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging
>> > Does this qualify as a humble brag?
>> > You should be proud when your progeny accomplishes something
>> > significant.
>> > Congrats1
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>> > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:57 AM  wrote:
>> >
>> > But my oldest son made some of the parts of the dragon
>> > capsule that docked at the ISS.  Closest I ever got to any
>> > of that was building scale models of the Saturn V when I was
>> > a kid.  Exciting times to be alive.
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[chuck]

And texture!

Later in life, we moved to another ranch that had a similar reservoir.  My 
brother moved back home after being a city dweller for many years. One morning 
noticed that there was something fuzzy in the water.  Hair.  Mouse hair.

He drained the reservoir that afternoon and scrubbed with bleach.  So we had 
bleach tasting water for several weeks and the rodents had bleach water to 
float upon for a while...

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 12:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

Either way, I'm sure it adds flavor...


On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:34 PM Robert Andrews  wrote:

  Live stuff swimming around in it is much better than dead stuff floating 
  in it...

  On 03/04/2019 10:10 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
  > We have lived in a very rural property for almost 23 years. Our well is 
  > thankfully about 600 feet from the house.
  > 
  > However, our water tank was originally a redwood tank that was (we were 
  > told) a reclaimed pickle barrel. That would have been some huge batch of 
  > pickles at over 5,000 gallons, but I digress. We accelerated our plan to 
  > replace it when I found frogs swimming around in it.
  > 
  > --
  > bp
  > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
  > 
  > 
  > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:59 AM  > wrote:
  > 
  > A bit uphill and probably 100 feet away.  It was between the
  > bunkhouse and the woodshed.
  > The well and reservoir was way up the hill beyond that.  I thought
  > nothing of the weekly sojourns to the reservoir to scoop the dead
  > mice and other animals off the top of the water.  Long bamboo stick
  > with a strainer wired to the end.
  > *From:* Bill Prince
  > *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 10:40 AM
  > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging
  > eeewww. The outhouse was UPHILL from the kitchen?!?
  > --
  > bp
  > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
  > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:30 AM  wrote:
  > 
  > Thanks everyone, I have forwarded your comments.
  > When I look back at when I was a kid, living in an unpainted
  > farm house in Oregon,  outhouse up the hill from the kitchen
  > door (that’s right, no toilet in the house,  this was before
  > hippies,  my folks were just poor dirt farmers),
  > I have to marvel at all the good things that have come my way.
  > Every day I give thanks that warm water comes out my showerhead.
  > *From:* Bill Prince
  > *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 10:21 AM
  > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging
  > Does this qualify as a humble brag?
  > You should be proud when your progeny accomplishes something
  > significant.
  > Congrats1
  > --
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  > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
  > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:57 AM  wrote:
  > 
  > But my oldest son made some of the parts of the dragon
  > capsule that docked at the ISS.  Closest I ever got to any
  > of that was building scale models of the Saturn V when I was
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[Mathew Howard]

Either way, I'm sure it adds flavor...

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 12:34 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Live stuff swimming around in it is much better than dead stuff floating
> in it...
>
> On 03/04/2019 10:10 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > We have lived in a very rural property for almost 23 years. Our well is
> > thankfully about 600 feet from the house.
> >
> > However, our water tank was originally a redwood tank that was (we were
> > told) a reclaimed pickle barrel. That would have been some huge batch of
> > pickles at over 5,000 gallons, but I digress. We accelerated our plan to
> > replace it when I found frogs swimming around in it.
> >
> > --
> > bp
> > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:59 AM  > > wrote:
> >
> > A bit uphill and probably 100 feet away.  It was between the
> > bunkhouse and the woodshed.
> > The well and reservoir was way up the hill beyond that.  I thought
> > nothing of the weekly sojourns to the reservoir to scoop the dead
> > mice and other animals off the top of the water.  Long bamboo stick
> > with a strainer wired to the end.
> > *From:* Bill Prince
> > *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 10:40 AM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging
> > eeewww. The outhouse was UPHILL from the kitchen?!?
> > --
> > bp
> > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:30 AM  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks everyone, I have forwarded your comments.
> > When I look back at when I was a kid, living in an unpainted
> > farm house in Oregon,  outhouse up the hill from the kitchen
> > door (that’s right, no toilet in the house,  this was before
> > hippies,  my folks were just poor dirt farmers),
> > I have to marvel at all the good things that have come my way.
> > Every day I give thanks that warm water comes out my showerhead.
> > *From:* Bill Prince
> > *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 10:21 AM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging
> > Does this qualify as a humble brag?
> > You should be proud when your progeny accomplishes something
> > significant.
> > Congrats1
> > --
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> > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:57 AM  wrote:
> >
> > But my oldest son made some of the parts of the dragon
> > capsule that docked at the ISS.  Closest I ever got to any
> > of that was building scale models of the Saturn V when I was
> > a kid.  Exciting times to be alive.
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[Robert Andrews]

Live stuff swimming around in it is much better than dead stuff floating 
in it...


On 03/04/2019 10:10 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
We have lived in a very rural property for almost 23 years. Our well is 
thankfully about 600 feet from the house.


However, our water tank was originally a redwood tank that was (we were 
told) a reclaimed pickle barrel. That would have been some huge batch of 
pickles at over 5,000 gallons, but I digress. We accelerated our plan to 
replace it when I found frogs swimming around in it.


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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:59 AM > wrote:


A bit uphill and probably 100 feet away.  It was between the
bunkhouse and the woodshed.
The well and reservoir was way up the hill beyond that.  I thought
nothing of the weekly sojourns to the reservoir to scoop the dead
mice and other animals off the top of the water.  Long bamboo stick
with a strainer wired to the end.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 10:40 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging
eeewww. The outhouse was UPHILL from the kitchen?!?
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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:30 AM  wrote:

Thanks everyone, I have forwarded your comments.
When I look back at when I was a kid, living in an unpainted
farm house in Oregon,  outhouse up the hill from the kitchen
door (that’s right, no toilet in the house,  this was before
hippies,  my folks were just poor dirt farmers),
I have to marvel at all the good things that have come my way.
Every day I give thanks that warm water comes out my showerhead.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 10:21 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging
Does this qualify as a humble brag?
You should be proud when your progeny accomplishes something
significant.
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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:57 AM  wrote:

But my oldest son made some of the parts of the dragon
capsule that docked at the ISS.  Closest I ever got to any
of that was building scale models of the Saturn V when I was
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Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

[Bill Prince]

We have lived in a very rural property for almost 23 years. Our well is
thankfully about 600 feet from the house.

However, our water tank was originally a redwood tank that was (we were
told) a reclaimed pickle barrel. That would have been some huge batch of
pickles at over 5,000 gallons, but I digress. We accelerated our plan to
replace it when I found frogs swimming around in it.

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:59 AM  wrote:

> A bit uphill and probably 100 feet away.  It was between the bunkhouse and
> the woodshed.
> The well and reservoir was way up the hill beyond that.  I thought nothing
> of the weekly sojourns to the reservoir to scoop the dead mice and other
> animals off the top of the water.  Long bamboo stick with a strainer wired
> to the end.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 10:40 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging
>
> eeewww. The outhouse was UPHILL from the kitchen?!?
>
>
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>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:30 AM  wrote:
>
>> Thanks everyone, I have forwarded your comments.
>>
>> When I look back at when I was a kid, living in an unpainted farm house
>> in Oregon,  outhouse up the hill from the kitchen door (that’s right, no
>> toilet in the house,  this was before hippies,  my folks were just poor
>> dirt farmers),
>> I have to marvel at all the good things that have come my way.
>>
>> Every day I give thanks that warm water comes out my showerhead.
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 10:21 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging
>>
>>
>> Does this qualify as a humble brag?
>>
>> You should be proud when your progeny accomplishes something significant.
>>
>> Congrats1
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:57 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> But my oldest son made some of the parts of the dragon capsule that
>>> docked at the ISS.  Closest I ever got to any of that was building scale
>>> models of the Saturn V when I was a kid.  Exciting times to be alive.
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[chuck]

A bit uphill and probably 100 feet away.  It was between the bunkhouse and the 
woodshed. 
The well and reservoir was way up the hill beyond that.  I thought nothing of 
the weekly sojourns to the reservoir to scoop the dead mice and other animals 
off the top of the water.  Long bamboo stick with a strainer wired to the end.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 10:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

eeewww. The outhouse was UPHILL from the kitchen?!? 


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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:30 AM  wrote:

  Thanks everyone, I have forwarded your comments.  

  When I look back at when I was a kid, living in an unpainted farm house in 
Oregon,  outhouse up the hill from the kitchen door (that’s right, no toilet in 
the house,  this was before hippies,  my folks were just poor dirt farmers), 
  I have to marvel at all the good things that have come my way.  

  Every day I give thanks that warm water comes out my showerhead.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 10:21 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging


  Does this qualify as a humble brag? 

  You should be proud when your progeny accomplishes something significant.

  Congrats1

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  On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:57 AM  wrote:

But my oldest son made some of the parts of the dragon capsule that docked 
at the ISS.  Closest I ever got to any of that was building scale models of the 
Saturn V when I was a kid.  Exciting times to be alive.  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

[Ken Hohhof]

Warm bed.  Warm shower.  Warm coffee.  Cold world.

https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2019/03/04

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 11:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

 

Thanks everyone, I have forwarded your comments.  

 

When I look back at when I was a kid, living in an unpainted farm house in 
Oregon,  outhouse up the hill from the kitchen door (that’s right, no toilet in 
the house,  this was before hippies,  my folks were just poor dirt farmers), 

I have to marvel at all the good things that have come my way.  

 

Every day I give thanks that warm water comes out my showerhead.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 10:21 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

 

 

Does this qualify as a humble brag? 

 

You should be proud when your progeny accomplishes something significant.

 

Congrats1

 

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:57 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

But my oldest son made some of the parts of the dragon capsule that docked at 
the ISS.  Closest I ever got to any of that was building scale models of the 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

[Bill Prince]

eeewww. The outhouse was UPHILL from the kitchen?!?


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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:30 AM  wrote:

> Thanks everyone, I have forwarded your comments.
>
> When I look back at when I was a kid, living in an unpainted farm house in
> Oregon,  outhouse up the hill from the kitchen door (that’s right, no
> toilet in the house,  this was before hippies,  my folks were just poor
> dirt farmers),
> I have to marvel at all the good things that have come my way.
>
> Every day I give thanks that warm water comes out my showerhead.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 10:21 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging
>
>
> Does this qualify as a humble brag?
>
> You should be proud when your progeny accomplishes something significant.
>
> Congrats1
>
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>
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:57 AM  wrote:
>
>> But my oldest son made some of the parts of the dragon capsule that
>> docked at the ISS.  Closest I ever got to any of that was building scale
>> models of the Saturn V when I was a kid.  Exciting times to be alive.
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[chuck]

Thanks everyone, I have forwarded your comments.  

When I look back at when I was a kid, living in an unpainted farm house in 
Oregon,  outhouse up the hill from the kitchen door (that’s right, no toilet in 
the house,  this was before hippies,  my folks were just poor dirt farmers), 
I have to marvel at all the good things that have come my way.  

Every day I give thanks that warm water comes out my showerhead.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 10:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging


Does this qualify as a humble brag? 

You should be proud when your progeny accomplishes something significant.

Congrats1

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:57 AM  wrote:

  But my oldest son made some of the parts of the dragon capsule that docked at 
the ISS.  Closest I ever got to any of that was building scale models of the 
Saturn V when I was a kid.  Exciting times to be alive.  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

[Bill Prince]

Does this qualify as a humble brag?

You should be proud when your progeny accomplishes something significant.

Congrats1

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 7:57 AM  wrote:

> But my oldest son made some of the parts of the dragon capsule that docked
> at the ISS.  Closest I ever got to any of that was building scale models of
> the Saturn V when I was a kid.  Exciting times to be alive.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

[Lewis Bergman]

Thats great Chuck! Tell him we are proud of him in a "I don't really know
you but that's super cool anyway" kind of way.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 11:05 AM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Not bragging if it's true!   Best feeling in the world to see someone
> you taught do something amazing!..  Ok second best feeling...
>
> On 03/04/2019 07:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > But my oldest son made some of the parts of the dragon capsule that
> > docked at the ISS.  Closest I ever got to any of that was building scale
> > models of the Saturn V when I was a kid.  Exciting times to be alive.
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[Robert Andrews]

Not bragging if it's true!   Best feeling in the world to see someone 
you taught do something amazing!..  Ok second best feeling...


On 03/04/2019 07:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
But my oldest son made some of the parts of the dragon capsule that 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fiber - ROI

[Adam Moffett]

Around here they'll charge you property tax on them.

On 3/4/2019 11:34 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
You own them, they could be revenue if built to the standards of 
someone wanting to rent them.

I don’t know of a recurring permit fee to put up poles or bury cable.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 4, 2019 9:29 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber - ROI
If you are in an empty ROW, what happens if you put up your own poles? 
Is this now a source of potential revenue, or do you still own them? 
Is there a recurring permit fee to place poles?
On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 9:34 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
 wrote:


Chris,

We went with standard 1x2 and 1x4 splitters.  If I remember, I'll
post our diagram when I get to the office on Monday.


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Chuck
Here is a quick sketch of the optical tap split we use. Each
handhole uses a custom ratio FBT splitter to peel off a small bit
of light from the mainline fiber, and then a normal PLC to break
that up further to the required number of customers. If you are at
all familiar with CATV this is essentially the same thing that
coax taps do, just with light. The appropriate FBT ratio has to be
picked at each handhole, and it steps up in % as you go down the
line.

You can chain as many as 15-20 of these taps in a line using just
one mainline strand, depending on split ratio, distance, and GPON
optical budget. We run ZTE using class C++ OLT optics and run this
system out to about 30km and still can split to cover about 20
houses over a mile of road.

We normally run rural mainline direct buried. When your mainlin
cable is 18 cents a foot  35 cents for duct just blows the budget
plus it adds another work step blowing or pulling the cable into
the duct.


On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:11 AM  wrote:

Chris,
I would love to have you post a schematic diagram of your low
count PON system.
Do you use duct or direct burial?

*From:* Chris Fabien
*Sent:* Friday, March 1, 2019 9:00 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber - ROI

We do fiber in 5-20 houses per mile areas. You have to get the
cost down as much as possible. We plow most of our mainline direct
buried, often use a 12-count tonable flat drop as mainline on side
roads.  With the right GPON splitting topology you can feed
several hundred houses on a 12-count fiber. If the area is rural
enough to not have a lot of paved driveways you can cover a lot of
ground fast plowing. Cheap electronics like ZTE or UBNT.
Everythign fusion spliced because splicing labor is cheaper for us
than the fancy connectorized systems.

Permitting cost will vary by area, our costs are $500 for the
first mile and $50 per additional mile, one time fee.



On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:54 AM Matt Hoppes
 wrote:

I’m looking at running fiber to some very rural areas.

Even if I get grant funding to run it. How are those of you doing
it making the ongoing ROI when you might have 5 houses each mile?

Pole rentals are $15-$17/ea per year.

Is trenching normally something you pay the state/county per
mile?  Per once permit?

Does anyone know of a company I can consult with that will design
and engineer FTTH networks?

Chuck - are you still accepting folks to come down with you for a
week to learn your ways of fiber?
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[chuck]

You own them, they could be revenue if built to the standards of someone 
wanting to rent them. 
I don’t know of a recurring permit fee to put up poles or bury cable.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 9:29 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber - ROI

If you are in an empty ROW, what happens if you put up your own poles? Is this 
now a source of potential revenue, or do you still own them? Is there a 
recurring permit fee to place poles?

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 9:34 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies  
wrote:

  Chris,

  We went with standard 1x2 and 1x4 splitters.  If I remember, I'll post our 
diagram when I get to the office on Monday.


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  Friday, March 1, 2019, 11:48:53 AM, you wrote:


   Chuck
Here is a quick sketch of the optical tap split we use. Each handhole 
uses a custom ratio FBT splitter to peel off a small bit of light from the 
mainline fiber, and then a normal PLC to break that up further to the required 
number of customers. If you are at all familiar with CATV this is essentially 
the same thing that coax taps do, just with light. The appropriate FBT ratio 
has to be picked at each handhole, and it steps up in % as you go down the 
line. 

You can chain as many as 15-20 of these taps in a line using just one 
mainline strand, depending on split ratio, distance, and GPON optical budget. 
We run ZTE using class C++ OLT optics and run this system out to about 30km and 
still can split to cover about 20 houses over a mile of road. 

We normally run rural mainline direct buried. When your mainlin cable 
is 18 cents a foot  35 cents for duct just blows the budget plus it adds 
another work step blowing or pulling the cable into the duct. 


On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:11 AM  wrote:

 Chris,
  I would love to have you post a schematic diagram of your low 
count PON system.  
  Do you use duct or direct burial?

  From: Chris Fabien
  Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 9:00 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber - ROI

  We do fiber in 5-20 houses per mile areas. You have to get the 
cost down as much as possible. We plow most of our mainline direct buried, 
often use a 12-count tonable flat drop as mainline on side roads.  With the 
right GPON splitting topology you can feed several hundred houses on a 12-count 
fiber. If the area is rural enough to not have a lot of paved driveways you can 
cover a lot of ground fast plowing.Cheap electronics like ZTE or UBNT. 
Everythign fusion spliced because splicing labor is cheaper for us than the 
fancy connectorized systems. 

  Permitting cost will vary by area, our costs are $500 for the 
first mile and $50 per additional mile, one time fee. 



  On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:54 AM Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:

   I’m looking at running fiber to some very rural areas. 

Even if I get grant funding to run it. How are those of you 
doing it making the ongoing ROI when you might have 5 houses each mile?

Pole rentals are $15-$17/ea per year. 

Is trenching normally something you pay the state/county 
per mile?  Per once permit?

Does anyone know of a company I can consult with that will 
design and engineer FTTH networks?

Chuck - are you still accepting folks to come down with you 
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[Steve Jones]

If you are in an empty ROW, what happens if you put up your own poles? Is
this now a source of potential revenue, or do you still own them? Is there
a recurring permit fee to place poles?

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 9:34 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Chris,
>
> We went with standard 1x2 and 1x4 splitters.  If I remember, I'll post our
> diagram when I get to the office on Monday.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com
>
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> Friday, March 1, 2019, 11:48:53 AM, you wrote:
>
>
> Chuck
> Here is a quick sketch of the optical tap split we use. Each handhole uses
> a custom ratio FBT splitter to peel off a small bit of light from the
> mainline fiber, and then a normal PLC to break that up further to the
> required number of customers. If you are at all familiar with CATV this is
> essentially the same thing that coax taps do, just with light. The
> appropriate FBT ratio has to be picked at each handhole, and it steps up in
> % as you go down the line.
>
> You can chain as many as 15-20 of these taps in a line using just one
> mainline strand, depending on split ratio, distance, and GPON optical
> budget. We run ZTE using class C++ OLT optics and run this system out to
> about 30km and still can split to cover about 20 houses over a mile of
> road.
>
> We normally run rural mainline direct buried. When your mainlin cable is
> 18 cents a foot  35 cents for duct just blows the budget plus it adds
> another work step blowing or pulling the cable into the duct.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:11 AM  wrote:
>
> Chris,
> I would love to have you post a schematic diagram of your low count PON
> system.
> Do you use duct or direct burial?
>
> *From:* Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Friday, March 1, 2019 9:00 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fiber - ROI
>
> We do fiber in 5-20 houses per mile areas. You have to get the cost down
> as much as possible. We plow most of our mainline direct buried, often use
> a 12-count tonable flat drop as mainline on side roads.  With the right
> GPON splitting topology you can feed several hundred houses on a 12-count
> fiber. If the area is rural enough to not have a lot of paved driveways you
> can cover a lot of ground fast plowing.Cheap electronics like ZTE or
> UBNT. Everythign fusion spliced because splicing labor is cheaper for us
> than the fancy connectorized systems.
>
> Permitting cost will vary by area, our costs are $500 for the first mile
> and $50 per additional mile, one time fee.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 10:54 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> I’m looking at running fiber to some very rural areas.
>
> Even if I get grant funding to run it. How are those of you doing it
> making the ongoing ROI when you might have 5 houses each mile?
>
> Pole rentals are $15-$17/ea per year.
>
> Is trenching normally something you pay the state/county per mile?  Per
> once permit?
>
> Does anyone know of a company I can consult with that will design and
> engineer FTTH networks?
>
> Chuck - are you still accepting folks to come down with you for a week to
> learn your ways of fiber?
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[AFMUG] OT sorry for the bragging

[chuck]

But my oldest son made some of the parts of the dragon capsule that docked at 
the ISS.  Closest I ever got to any of that was building scale models of the 
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