[AFMUG] fiber design and permitting

[TJ Trout]

how are most of you guys getting your design on paper for pulling permits?
I'm assuming if I design a plant layout on a napkin I need professional
plans showing ROW location, proposed cable location, depth, streets, etc
then you take that to the local building department and pull a permit?

For rural plowing, do I need a drill to cross side streets and driveways or
an I get away with a pneumatic missile ?
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Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE

[Adam Moffett]

I was playing with an example from the Wiki.  Looks like it dynamically 
creates a dhcp6 server instance on the server end of the PPPoE tunnel 
and makes a prefix delegation to the client.  The example didn't include 
ipv4, but I assume that v4 address gets assigned by PPP as normal.  Is 
that the gist?


-Adam


On 3/8/2019 6:50 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:
I've chosen to have PPPoE servers at each tower because I'm routed and 
already have a router there, but centralized or routed, doesn't matter 
- pros and cons to both.
I also have dual-stack v4/v6 in production on PPPoE with Mikrotik as 
concentrators - works great. Few gotchas that aren't intuitive, but 
nothing crazy.


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email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

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On 3/8/19 4:03 PM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote:

Depends on your network and its exit points.
Yes you can have dual or quad PPPoE Servers.
Nope you can run PPPoE in a VLAN
Yes you can simply dual-stack with PPPoE, it’s the simplest method to do so.  
At the same time no problem.


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Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
Office: 314-735-0270  Website:http://www.linktechs.net  
Create Wireless Coverage’s withwww.towercoverage.com  


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 2:48 PM
To:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PPPoE

I haven't done much with PPPoE.

For those of you who have, do you generally try to carry L2 back to one central 
PPPoE server?  Or do you sprinkle PPPoE servers around at each tower?

Can you have redundant PPPoE servers somehow?

Is there any reason I can't carry PPPoE inside a VLAN?

Can you run dual stack with PPPoE?  It looks like a Mikrotik PPPoE server can 
assign v6 addresses, but I'm wondering if it can do both v4 and v6 at the same 
time.

Anything else a newb should do or not do?



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Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE

[Adam Moffett]

because I hadn't heard of IPoE until just now.  I'll have to look 
into that.  Thanks!



On 3/8/2019 5:08 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:

But why PPPoE and not IPoE?  Headend cost?

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:07 PM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:


Redundant PPPoE servers are fine.  Just like Redundant DHCP servers.
VLAN works fine
no idea on V6, we moved to IPoE

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 2:49 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I haven't done much with PPPoE.

For those of you who have, do you generally try to carry L2
back to one
central PPPoE server?  Or do you sprinkle PPPoE servers around
at each
tower?

Can you have redundant PPPoE servers somehow?

Is there any reason I can't carry PPPoE inside a VLAN?

Can you run dual stack with PPPoE?  It looks like a Mikrotik
PPPoE
server can assign v6 addresses, but I'm wondering if it can do
both v4
and v6 at the same time.

Anything else a newb should do or not do?



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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Darin Steffl]

I've got a Model 3 performance as my daily driver. Autopilot too.

Best car I've ever driven and owned. Faster than my Camaro ZL1 plus some
Ferrari, Lambo, Porsche cars I've driven.

I highly recommend a Tesla. The car gets frequent updates every 4-6 weeks
with new features and improvements to autopilot. Match 15, they'll release
an update that gives 5% more power to the motors. The car was 0 to 60 in
3.5s when I bought in August and now they have it down to 3.2s with
updates.



On Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 7:56 PM Caleb Knauer  wrote:

> I've ridden in a friend's big model S (P100D or whatever, the biggest
> one you can get).  Ludicrous mode is a fitting name, what a rocket.
> Freaky going that fast without an engine scream.  Beautiful exterior.
> Interior is a ripoff for what you pay.  Autopilot is a bit sketch in
> busy areas.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 8:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> >
> > Why are all the Teslas going the opposite direction?
> >
> >
> >
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 6:45 PM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> >
> >
> > Did you move there before the electronics boom?
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Bill Prince
> >
> > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM
> >
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> >
> >
> > Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just driving
> down the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of them going the
> opposite direction.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > bp
> >
> > part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
> >
> > & I was just driving behind a 100D
> >
> > On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
> > > If only…..
> > >
> > > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> > > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
> > > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> > >
> > > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an
> electric
> > > car?  Is it just electric + price?
> > >
> > >
> > > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
> > > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
> > >
> > > Josh Luthman
> > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > Suite 1337
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
> > >
> > > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> > > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> > > P85D is the performance version.
> > > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
> > >
> > > Seriously considering a used model S.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
> > > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
> > > To: af@af.afmug.com 
> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> > >
> > > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> > > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Robert Andrews
> > > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
> > > To: af@af.afmug.com 
> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> > >
> > > Tesla 3
> > >
> > > Sorry, cheap shot !
> > >
> > > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
> wrote:
> > >  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is
> expired.
> > >  > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
> > > rumored
> > >  > to be out in June.
> > >  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
> > >  > Any opinions?
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> > >  >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Caleb Knauer]

I've ridden in a friend's big model S (P100D or whatever, the biggest
one you can get).  Ludicrous mode is a fitting name, what a rocket.
Freaky going that fast without an engine scream.  Beautiful exterior.
Interior is a ripoff for what you pay.  Autopilot is a bit sketch in
busy areas.


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 8:20 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Why are all the Teslas going the opposite direction?
>
>
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 6:45 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>
>
>
> Did you move there before the electronics boom?
>
>
>
> From: Bill Prince
>
> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM
>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>
>
>
> Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just driving down 
> the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of them going the 
> opposite direction.
>
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews  wrote:
>
> & I was just driving behind a 100D
>
> On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
> > If only…..
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric
> > car?  Is it just electric + price?
> >
> >
> > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
> > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  > > wrote:
> >
> > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
> >
> > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> > P85D is the performance version.
> > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
> >
> > Seriously considering a used model S.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Andrews
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > Tesla 3
> >
> > Sorry, cheap shot !
> >
> > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
> >  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
> >  > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
> > rumored
> >  > to be out in June.
> >  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
> >  > Any opinions?
> >  >
> >  >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Ken Hohhof]

Why are all the Teslas going the opposite direction?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 6:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

 

Did you move there before the electronics boom?

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

 

Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just driving down 
the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of them going the opposite 
direction. 

 

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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

& I was just driving behind a 100D

On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
> If only…..
> 
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > *On 
> Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> 
> What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric 
> car?  Is it just electric + price?
> 
> 
> Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only 
> similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM   
> > wrote:
> 
> Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
> 
> 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> P85D is the performance version.
> Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
> 
> Seriously considering a used model S.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com   
> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com   
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> 
> Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com   
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> 
> Tesla 3
> 
> Sorry, cheap shot !
> 
> On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   
>  wrote:
>  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
>  > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
> rumored
>  > to be out in June.
>  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
>  > Any opinions?
>  >
>  >
> 
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[AFMUG] need headphone cable with slim plug to fit 450b mid gain

[Ken Hohhof]

What are people doing to get a headphone cable to fit on these?  I had an
installer complain the jack is too close to body of the SM and so I checked
and he's right, unless you have a slim plug.

 

I can find some M-F extension cables on Amazon from Startech or Parts
Express, but the reviews say they are flaky or don't last.  My install guy
says that's probably inherent with any slim style plug.  The short Cables To
Go extension cables I've been ordering definitely do not have slim plugs.

 

I've seen people with smartphone headphones that have very slim plugs at the
end of the cable, but they seem to be 4-conductor not stereo, I assume the
4th wire is for a microphone.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Chuck McCown]

Did you move there before the electronics boom?

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 5:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just driving down 
the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of them going the opposite 
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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews  wrote:

  & I was just driving behind a 100D

  On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
  > If only…..
  > 
  > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
  > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
  > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
  > 
  > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric 
  > car?  Is it just electric + price?
  > 
  > 
  > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only 
  > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
  > 
  > Josh Luthman
  > Office: 937-552-2340
  > Direct: 937-552-2343
  > 1100 Wayne St
  > Suite 1337
  > Troy, OH 45373
  > 
  > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  > wrote:
  > 
  > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
  > 
  > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
  > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
  > P85D is the performance version.
  > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
  > 
  > Seriously considering a used model S.
  > 
  > -Original Message-
  > From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
  > To: af@af.afmug.com 
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
  > 
  > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
  > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
  > 
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Robert Andrews
  > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
  > To: af@af.afmug.com 
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
  > 
  > Tesla 3
  > 
  > Sorry, cheap shot !
  > 
  > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
  >  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
  >  > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
  > rumored
  >  > to be out in June.
  >  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
  >  > Any opinions?
  >  >
  >  >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Bill Prince]

Around here you can't swing a cat without hitting a Tesla. Just driving
down the hill (about 6 miles) I usually pass a half dozen of them going the
opposite direction.

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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:25 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> & I was just driving behind a 100D
>
> On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
> > If only…..
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> > *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric
> > car?  Is it just electric + price?
> >
> >
> > Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
> > similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  > > wrote:
> >
> > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
> >
> > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> > P85D is the performance version.
> > Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
> >
> > Seriously considering a used model S.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Robert Andrews
> > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
> >
> > Tesla 3
> >
> > Sorry, cheap shot !
> >
> > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
> wrote:
> >  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is
> expired.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert Andrews]

On 03/08/2019 03:27 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

I got this one. AKA the Henry Ford model:

image.png

Kind of bogus subtracting the fuel savings from the purchase price.



Thats what comes out of Marketing when you legalize Pot!





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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 2:56 PM Craig Schmaderer 
mailto:cr...@skywaveconnect.com>> wrote:


If only…..

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*Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

__ __

What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an
electric car?  Is it just electric + price?


Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the
only similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.


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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.

60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
P85D is the performance version.
Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.

Seriously considering a used model S.

-Original Message-
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:
 > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is
expired.
 > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range
is rumored
 > to be out in June.
 > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
 > Any opinions?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert Andrews]

& I was just driving behind a 100D

On 03/08/2019 02:55 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:

If only…..

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric 
car?  Is it just electric + price?



Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only 
similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM > wrote:


Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.

60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
P85D is the performance version.
Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.

Seriously considering a used model S.

-Original Message-
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
 > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
 > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
rumored
 > to be out in June.
 > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
 > Any opinions?
 >
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Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
I've chosen to have PPPoE servers at each tower because I'm routed
and already have a router there, but centralized or routed, doesn't
matter - pros and cons to both.
I also have dual-stack v4/v6 in production on PPPoE with Mikrotik as
concentrators - works great. Few gotchas that aren't intuitive, but
nothing crazy.


  
  
  
  
  
  
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On 3/8/19 4:03 PM, Dennis Burgess via
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  Depends on your network and its exit points.   
Yes you can have dual or quad PPPoE Servers.
Nope you can run PPPoE in a VLAN
Yes you can simply dual-stack with PPPoE, it’s the simplest method to do so.  At the same time no problem.


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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 2:48 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PPPoE

I haven't done much with PPPoE.

For those of you who have, do you generally try to carry L2 back to one central PPPoE server?  Or do you sprinkle PPPoE servers around at each tower?

Can you have redundant PPPoE servers somehow?

Is there any reason I can't carry PPPoE inside a VLAN?

Can you run dual stack with PPPoE?  It looks like a Mikrotik PPPoE server can assign v6 addresses, but I'm wondering if it can do both v4 and v6 at the same time.

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Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Yep works great!


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 4:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE

Yes, we carry L2 back to central PPPoE servers. You can simply have multiple 
PPPoE servers listing on the L2 network if you want redundancy.

Dual stack appears to work with Mikrotik PPPoE servers, but I never tried 
putting it into production, because the ePMP's PPPoE implementation doesn't 
support IPv6 yet... I'm pretty sure I did have it working with UBNT clients and 
a MikroTik PPPoE server though (I assume it would work with a Mikrotik client 
too).

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 2:49 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I haven't done much with PPPoE.

For those of you who have, do you generally try to carry L2 back to one
central PPPoE server?  Or do you sprinkle PPPoE servers around at each
tower?

Can you have redundant PPPoE servers somehow?

Is there any reason I can't carry PPPoE inside a VLAN?

Can you run dual stack with PPPoE?  It looks like a Mikrotik PPPoE
server can assign v6 addresses, but I'm wondering if it can do both v4
and v6 at the same time.

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Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Depends on your network and its exit points.   
Yes you can have dual or quad PPPoE Servers.
Nope you can run PPPoE in a VLAN
Yes you can simply dual-stack with PPPoE, it’s the simplest method to do so.  
At the same time no problem.


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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 2:48 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] PPPoE

I haven't done much with PPPoE.

For those of you who have, do you generally try to carry L2 back to one central 
PPPoE server?  Or do you sprinkle PPPoE servers around at each tower?

Can you have redundant PPPoE servers somehow?

Is there any reason I can't carry PPPoE inside a VLAN?

Can you run dual stack with PPPoE?  It looks like a Mikrotik PPPoE server can 
assign v6 addresses, but I'm wondering if it can do both v4 and v6 at the same 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Craig Schmaderer]

If only…..

[cid:image001.png@01D4D5CF.BB2B2320]

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 2:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric car?  
Is it just electric + price?

Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only 
similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.

60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
P85D is the performance version.
Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.

Seriously considering a used model S.

-Original Message-
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
> Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is rumored
> to be out in June.
> Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
> Any opinions?
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Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE

[Mathew Howard]

Yes, we carry L2 back to central PPPoE servers. You can simply have
multiple PPPoE servers listing on the L2 network if you want redundancy.

Dual stack appears to work with Mikrotik PPPoE servers, but I never tried
putting it into production, because the ePMP's PPPoE implementation doesn't
support IPv6 yet... I'm pretty sure I did have it working with UBNT clients
and a MikroTik PPPoE server though (I assume it would work with a Mikrotik
client too).

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 2:49 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I haven't done much with PPPoE.
>
> For those of you who have, do you generally try to carry L2 back to one
> central PPPoE server?  Or do you sprinkle PPPoE servers around at each
> tower?
>
> Can you have redundant PPPoE servers somehow?
>
> Is there any reason I can't carry PPPoE inside a VLAN?
>
> Can you run dual stack with PPPoE?  It looks like a Mikrotik PPPoE
> server can assign v6 addresses, but I'm wondering if it can do both v4
> and v6 at the same time.
>
> Anything else a newb should do or not do?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE

[Carl Peterson]

But why PPPoE and not IPoE?  Headend cost?

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 4:07 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Redundant PPPoE servers are fine.  Just like Redundant DHCP servers.
> VLAN works fine
> no idea on V6, we moved to IPoE
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 2:49 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I haven't done much with PPPoE.
>>
>> For those of you who have, do you generally try to carry L2 back to one
>> central PPPoE server?  Or do you sprinkle PPPoE servers around at each
>> tower?
>>
>> Can you have redundant PPPoE servers somehow?
>>
>> Is there any reason I can't carry PPPoE inside a VLAN?
>>
>> Can you run dual stack with PPPoE?  It looks like a Mikrotik PPPoE
>> server can assign v6 addresses, but I'm wondering if it can do both v4
>> and v6 at the same time.
>>
>> Anything else a newb should do or not do?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE

[Carl Peterson]

Redundant PPPoE servers are fine.  Just like Redundant DHCP servers.
VLAN works fine
no idea on V6, we moved to IPoE

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 2:49 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I haven't done much with PPPoE.
>
> For those of you who have, do you generally try to carry L2 back to one
> central PPPoE server?  Or do you sprinkle PPPoE servers around at each
> tower?
>
> Can you have redundant PPPoE servers somehow?
>
> Is there any reason I can't carry PPPoE inside a VLAN?
>
> Can you run dual stack with PPPoE?  It looks like a Mikrotik PPPoE
> server can assign v6 addresses, but I'm wondering if it can do both v4
> and v6 at the same time.
>
> Anything else a newb should do or not do?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Bill Prince]

At this point it's more of a novelty than something I would rely on. The
latest iteration will start nagging if you take your hands off the steering
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On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 12:42 PM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> My main interest in Tesla is the autopilot feature. I admit I'm a
> distracted driver so I think would
> be of benefit.
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 3:28 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> and lithium batteries and electric motors and LED headlights and seats
>> and doors and and and.
>>
>> We have several friends with electric cars (Bolts, Teslas, Leafs). There
>> are a huge number of people for whom an electric car is far superior than a
>> ICE-driven car. Eliminates a significant amount of overhead, the
>> maintenance is simpler, and they're way cheaper to operate.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 3/8/2019 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric
>> car?  Is it just electric + price?
>>
>> Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
>> similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
>>>
>>> 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
>>> 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
>>> P85D is the performance version.
>>> Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
>>>
>>> Seriously considering a used model S.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>>>
>>> Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
>>> I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Robert Andrews
>>> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>>>
>>> Tesla 3
>>>
>>> Sorry, cheap shot !
>>>
>>> On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
>>> > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
>>> rumored
>>> > to be out in June.
>>> > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
>>> > Any opinions?
>>> >
>>> >
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[AFMUG] PPPoE

[Adam Moffett]

I haven't done much with PPPoE.

For those of you who have, do you generally try to carry L2 back to one 
central PPPoE server?  Or do you sprinkle PPPoE servers around at each 
tower?


Can you have redundant PPPoE servers somehow?

Is there any reason I can't carry PPPoE inside a VLAN?

Can you run dual stack with PPPoE?  It looks like a Mikrotik PPPoE 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[can...@believewireless.net]

My main interest in Tesla is the autopilot feature. I admit I'm a
distracted driver so I think would
be of benefit.

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 3:28 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> and lithium batteries and electric motors and LED headlights and seats and
> doors and and and.
>
> We have several friends with electric cars (Bolts, Teslas, Leafs). There
> are a huge number of people for whom an electric car is far superior than a
> ICE-driven car. Eliminates a significant amount of overhead, the
> maintenance is simpler, and they're way cheaper to operate.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/8/2019 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric
> car?  Is it just electric + price?
>
> Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
> similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  wrote:
>
>> Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
>>
>> 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
>> 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
>> P85D is the performance version.
>> Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
>>
>> Seriously considering a used model S.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>>
>> Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
>> I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>>
>> Tesla 3
>>
>> Sorry, cheap shot !
>>
>> On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
>> > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
>> rumored
>> > to be out in June.
>> > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
>> > Any opinions?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Bill Prince]

  
  
and lithium batteries and electric motors and LED headlights and
  seats and doors and and and.
We have several friends with electric cars (Bolts, Teslas,
  Leafs). There are a huge number of people for whom an electric car
  is far superior than a ICE-driven car. Eliminates a significant
  amount of overhead, the maintenance is simpler, and they're way
  cheaper to operate.

bp



On 3/8/2019 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman
  wrote:


  
  What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply
have to be an electric car?  Is it just electric + price?

  Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about
  the only similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a
  windshield.
  

  


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

  
  

  
  
  
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM
  
  wrote:

Took
  me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
  
  60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
  85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
  P85D is the performance version.  
  Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
  
  Seriously considering a used model S.  
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM 
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car 
  
  Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
  I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.  
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: Robert Andrews 
  Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM 
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car 
  
  Tesla 3
  
  Sorry, cheap shot !
  
  On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:
  > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease
  is expired.
  > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased
  range is rumored 
  > to be out in June.
  > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time
  around.
  > Any opinions?
  > 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert]

Seth, do you know this guy?  It's all of 1 block from your office 
I recognize where his shop is, it's next door to where one of my 
customers used to be.


On 3/8/19 12:09 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

Teslaonda?

https://youtu.be/0KSt_Y4gZgM


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 10:22 AM > wrote:


My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
rumored to be out in June.
Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Josh Luthman]

What exactly are you looking for?  Does it simply have to be an electric
car?  Is it just electric + price?

Weird someone would go from a Leaf to a Model S because about the only
similarities are that they both have 4 wheels and a windshield.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 1:20 PM  wrote:

> Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
>
> 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> P85D is the performance version.
> Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.
>
> Seriously considering a used model S.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>
> Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car
>
> Tesla 3
>
> Sorry, cheap shot !
>
> On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
> > Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is rumored
> > to be out in June.
> > Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
> > Any opinions?
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Sean Heskett]

Teslaonda?

https://youtu.be/0KSt_Y4gZgM


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 10:22 AM  wrote:

> My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
> Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is rumored
> to be out in June.
> Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
>
> Any opinions?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert]

Tesla has the full court press on for Renoites with factory tours/car 
demos and sales happening out of the factory.  Word is vehicle 
production is part of the next building expansion.


On 3/8/19 12:01 PM, dave wrote:

My Boss,

Just got his Tesla and its impressive. I got to ride in it when he first 
got it that day and I was floored at the performance it has.


Luckily we have 3 phase here so getting to hook up a super charger for 
it should be interesting.



On 3/8/19 12:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, March 8, 
2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric 
car

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is 
rumored to be out in June.

Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
Any opinions?





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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[dave]

My Boss,

Just got his Tesla and its impressive. I got to ride in it when he first 
got it that day and I was floored at the performance it has.


Luckily we have 3 phase here so getting to hook up a super charger for 
it should be interesting.



On 3/8/19 12:16 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, March 8, 
2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric 
car

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is 
rumored to be out in June.

Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
Any opinions?





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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert]

Getting that with advanced cruise control ( backoff/speedup following 
vehicle in front.  )  Want what tesla does, so you can input an address 
in South Dakota and sit back and relax  That would pretty much 
eliminate my desire to fly.


On 3/8/19 11:32 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

It is called cruise control...

-Original Message- From: Robert
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 12:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

My dream is to have an RV with advanced autopilot...

On 3/8/19 10:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I'd love to have one of these, the $35K version is probably a bit too 
stripped down for my taste though - and the $7K upcharge for the 
advanced autopilot software, ouch.


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 12:27 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


    The model 3 is very respectable WRT performance. Smaller and lighter
    than either S or X. It will also be able to use the V3 super charger,
    which can add 75 miles every 5 minutes of charging. That's close to a
    full charge in 15 minutes. They're claiming that it can charge up at
    1,000 miles per hour. I did the math, and it actually works out to
    around 900 miles per hour.

    Plus is looks like a car, as opposed to a "sorta car" like a Leaf, 
or a

    Prius, or a smart car.


    bp
    

    On 3/8/2019 10:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
 > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
 >
 > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
 > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
 > P85D is the performance version.  Love to have but too cheap to
    do it
 > probably.
 >
 > Seriously considering a used model S.
 > -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
     Sent: Friday, March
 > 8, 2019 11:16 AM To: af@af.afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new
 > electric car
 > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
 > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
 > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday,
    March 8,
 > 2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric
 > car
 > Tesla 3
 >
 > Sorry, cheap shot !
 >
 > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
    wrote:
 >> My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is 
expired.

 >> Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
 >> rumored to be out in June.
 >> Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
 >> Any opinions?
 >>
 >>
 >

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/8/19 11:32, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

It is called cruise control...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfY49zx7RU0

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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[chuck]

It is called cruise control...

-Original Message- 
From: Robert

Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 12:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

My dream is to have an RV with advanced autopilot...

On 3/8/19 10:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I'd love to have one of these, the $35K version is probably a bit too 
stripped down for my taste though - and the $7K upcharge for the advanced 
autopilot software, ouch.


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 12:27 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


The model 3 is very respectable WRT performance. Smaller and lighter
than either S or X. It will also be able to use the V3 super charger,
which can add 75 miles every 5 minutes of charging. That's close to a
full charge in 15 minutes. They're claiming that it can charge up at
1,000 miles per hour. I did the math, and it actually works out to
around 900 miles per hour.

Plus is looks like a car, as opposed to a "sorta car" like a Leaf, or 
a

Prius, or a smart car.


bp


On 3/8/2019 10:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
 > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
 >
 > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
 > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
 > P85D is the performance version.  Love to have but too cheap to
do it
 > probably.
 >
 > Seriously considering a used model S.
 > -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 Sent: Friday, March
 > 8, 2019 11:16 AM To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new
 > electric car
 > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
 > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
 > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday,
March 8,
 > 2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric
 > car
 > Tesla 3
 >
 > Sorry, cheap shot !
 >
 > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:
 >> My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is 
expired.

 >> Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
 >> rumored to be out in June.
 >> Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
 >> Any opinions?
 >>
 >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert]

My dream is to have an RV with advanced autopilot...

On 3/8/19 10:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
I'd love to have one of these, the $35K version is probably a bit too 
stripped down for my taste though - and the $7K upcharge for the 
advanced autopilot software, ouch.


On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 12:27 PM Bill Prince > wrote:


The model 3 is very respectable WRT performance. Smaller and lighter
than either S or X. It will also be able to use the V3 super charger,
which can add 75 miles every 5 minutes of charging. That's close to a
full charge in 15 minutes. They're claiming that it can charge up at
1,000 miles per hour. I did the math, and it actually works out to
around 900 miles per hour.

Plus is looks like a car, as opposed to a "sorta car" like a Leaf, or a
Prius, or a smart car.


bp


On 3/8/2019 10:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
 > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
 >
 > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
 > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
 > P85D is the performance version.  Love to have but too cheap to
do it
 > probably.
 >
 > Seriously considering a used model S.
 > -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
 Sent: Friday, March
 > 8, 2019 11:16 AM To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new
 > electric car
 > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
 > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
 > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday,
March 8,
 > 2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric
 > car
 > Tesla 3
 >
 > Sorry, cheap shot !
 >
 > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:
 >> My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
 >> Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
 >> rumored to be out in June.
 >> Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
 >> Any opinions?
 >>
 >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert]

Watch the youtube videos from rich rebuilds about his used purchase 
experience to set your expectations on buying used from Tesla, hope you 
have a better experience!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8ro6kpKlw0

On 3/8/19 10:16 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, March 8, 
2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is 
rumored to be out in June.

Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
Any opinions?






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Re: [AFMUG] blowing fiber

[chuck]

The guys say it was really doing about 600 fpm.  So 6.81 MPH
I have never seen a blowing machine go this fast.  

But the machine was originally designed for heavy large copper cable so it is 
vastly overkill for microfiber.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:38 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blowing fiber

Wow. That's almost 6 MPH. Would like to see that in operation.



bp


On 3/8/2019 10:35 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I got a junk Condux fiber blower in trade for plowing some cable.  I bought 
new pads for the belt and machined them down to fit microfiber.  I made new 
inserts to grip and seal on microfiber and microduct.  

  We tried it out this morning.  Blew 5000’ in 10 minutes.  
  And that is using an 85 CFM 120 PSI compressor.

  I am liking my piece of junk that I fixed up.

   



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Re: [AFMUG] 820 License Keys

[Caleb Knauer]

1440 hours is 60 days.  That's a demo mode runtime counter too, not a
calendar timer.

It's extremely clear that you're in violation mode, annoyingly so.  Go
to the interface manager and turn off whatever eth ports you're not
using, that's usually what triggers when you boot up originally.

Normally it takes 24 hours or so to process the keys.  If you're in a
hurry you can put in a support ticket and they'll run them pretty
quick.  I just did that today and they got it knocked out after an
hour or two.

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 12:28 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
> Violation runtime counter is at 48 hours
>
> Demo timer is 1440 hours (24 days)
>
> I finally got the keys via email this morning.
>
> On March 8, 2019 8:58:43 AM CST, Trey Scarborough  wrote:
>>
>> No it will say its in demo mode. It will not have an alarm for a violation.
>>
>> On 3/8/2019 8:55 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>>
>>>  So will demo mode still show anything as violations?
>>>
>>>  On 3/8/2019 8:44 AM, Trey Scarborough wrote:

  Correct violation is 24 hrs if you put it in demo mode it is 60 days.


> On 3/7/19 14:31, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>>  What would be the difference?
>>
>>  Do certain keys cause a "violation" but not others?
>
>
>
>  Demo mode lets you do whatever you want with no restrictions, like
>  007's license to kill.
>
>  Violation is if you turn on a feature you don't have a key for.
>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] blowing fiber

[chuck]

It is going so fast that the Condux footage meter is only registering about 
half the footage.
Not sure if something is out of adjustment or if the MCU cannot count that 
fast.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:38 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] blowing fiber

Wow. That's almost 6 MPH. Would like to see that in operation.



bp


On 3/8/2019 10:35 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I got a junk Condux fiber blower in trade for plowing some cable.  I bought 
new pads for the belt and machined them down to fit microfiber.  I made new 
inserts to grip and seal on microfiber and microduct.  

  We tried it out this morning.  Blew 5000’ in 10 minutes.  
  And that is using an 85 CFM 120 PSI compressor.

  I am liking my piece of junk that I fixed up.

   



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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Jason McKemie]

I'd love to have one of these, the $35K version is probably a bit too
stripped down for my taste though - and the $7K upcharge for the advanced
autopilot software, ouch.

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 12:27 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> The model 3 is very respectable WRT performance. Smaller and lighter
> than either S or X. It will also be able to use the V3 super charger,
> which can add 75 miles every 5 minutes of charging. That's close to a
> full charge in 15 minutes. They're claiming that it can charge up at
> 1,000 miles per hour. I did the math, and it actually works out to
> around 900 miles per hour.
>
> Plus is looks like a car, as opposed to a "sorta car" like a Leaf, or a
> Prius, or a smart car.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/8/2019 10:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.
> >
> > 60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
> > 85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
> > P85D is the performance version.  Love to have but too cheap to do it
> > probably.
> >
> > Seriously considering a used model S.
> > -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, March
> > 8, 2019 11:16 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new
> > electric car
> > Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
> > I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
> > -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, March 8,
> > 2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric
> > car
> > Tesla 3
> >
> > Sorry, cheap shot !
> >
> > On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >> My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
> >> Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is
> >> rumored to be out in June.
> >> Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
> >> Any opinions?
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] blowing fiber

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Wow. That's almost 6 MPH. Would like to see that in operation.


bp



On 3/8/2019 10:35 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I got a junk Condux fiber blower in trade for plowing
some cable.  I bought new pads for the belt and machined
them down to fit microfiber.  I made new inserts to grip and
seal on microfiber and microduct.  
   
  We tried it out this morning.  Blew 5000’ in 10 minutes. 
  
  And that is using an 85 CFM 120 PSI compressor.
   
  I am liking my piece of junk that I fixed up.

  
  
  

  


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[AFMUG] blowing fiber

[chuck]

I got a junk Condux fiber blower in trade for plowing some cable.  I bought new 
pads for the belt and machined them down to fit microfiber.  I made new inserts 
to grip and seal on microfiber and microduct.  

We tried it out this morning.  Blew 5000’ in 10 minutes.  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Bill Prince]

The model 3 is very respectable WRT performance. Smaller and lighter 
than either S or X. It will also be able to use the V3 super charger, 
which can add 75 miles every 5 minutes of charging. That's close to a 
full charge in 15 minutes. They're claiming that it can charge up at 
1,000 miles per hour. I did the math, and it actually works out to 
around 900 miles per hour.


Plus is looks like a car, as opposed to a "sorta car" like a Leaf, or a 
Prius, or a smart car.



bp


On 3/8/2019 10:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.

60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
P85D is the performance version.  Love to have but too cheap to do it 
probably.


Seriously considering a used model S.
-Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, March 
8, 2019 11:16 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new 
electric car

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.
-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Friday, March 8, 
2019 11:03 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric 
car

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is 
rumored to be out in June.

Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
Any opinions?






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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[chuck]

Took me a bit to decode the model S numbers.

60, 70, 85  Those are kWh of battery
85D is a 4 wheel drive (D for dual motors)
P85D is the performance version.  
Love to have but too cheap to do it probably.


Seriously considering a used model S.  

-Original Message- 
From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:16 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car 


Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.  

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews 
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car 


Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is rumored 
to be out in June.

Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
Any opinions?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[chuck]

Warren King turned me on to the used inventory at Tesla.
I am thinking a 2015 or 16 model S  Perhaps an 85D.  

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews 
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:03 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car 


Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is rumored 
to be out in June.

Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
Any opinions?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Robert Andrews]

Tesla 3

Sorry, cheap shot !

On 03/08/2019 09:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is rumored 
to be out in June.

Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.
Any opinions?




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Re: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

[Ken Hohhof]

You could go smaller.

https://www.smartusa.com/

 

Probably takes 2 AA batteries?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:21 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT new electric car

 

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.

Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is rumored to
be out in June.  

Maybe I will wait, maybe I will try a Bolt this time around.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 820 License Keys

[Nate Burke]

Violation runtime counter is at 48 hours

Demo timer is 1440 hours (24 days)

I finally got the keys via email this morning. 

On March 8, 2019 8:58:43 AM CST, Trey Scarborough  wrote:
>No it will say its in demo mode. It will not have an alarm for a
>violation.
>
>On 3/8/2019 8:55 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> So will demo mode still show anything as violations?
>>
>> On 3/8/2019 8:44 AM, Trey Scarborough wrote:
>>> Correct violation is 24 hrs if you put it in demo mode it is 60
>days.
>>>
>>>
 On 3/7/19 14:31, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> What would be the difference?
>
> Do certain keys cause a "violation" but not others?


 Demo mode lets you do whatever you want with no restrictions, like 
 007's license to kill.

 Violation is if you turn on a feature you don't have a key for.

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[AFMUG] OT new electric car

[chuck]

My latest Leaf is due to be returned today as the lease is expired.
Not sure what to get next.  The new Leaf with increased range is rumored to be 
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Re: [AFMUG] SuperStinger had a rough day

[Ken Hohhof]

Correct.

I expected the SuperStinger to be all busted up also, not from leaving the
TV tower, but its arrival on the ground.

I should have told the installer to just slip a new case on the SM and put
it back up, right?

Actually, he was able to find a different tower where we had LOS at 5 GHz.

900 MHz is useless now anyway due to smartmeters.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 11:09 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SuperStinger had a rough day

 

I'd say the super stinger did ok. Not so much for the SM attached to it
though.

 

bp

 

On 3/8/2019 9:04 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Tech just sent me this photo of a 900 SM + SuperStinger that lost a fight
with a recent windstorm.





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Re: [AFMUG] SuperStinger had a rough day

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I'd say the super stinger did ok. Not so much for the SM attached
  to it though.


bp



On 3/8/2019 9:04 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
Tech just sent me this photo of a 900 SM +
  SuperStinger that lost a fight with a recent windstorm.
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium radomes - is there a trick to popping them on?

[Ken Hohhof]

So next summer will all our radomes in the field look like this?

 



 

From: AF  On Behalf Of castarritt
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 9:21 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium radomes - is there a trick to popping them on?

 

Our installers are too lazy to put their radios together in the field (kids 
these days!).  Instead, they do it on that conference table in the climate 
controlled office before throwing them in the van.  The temp does sometimes get 
down into the 40's here, so I don't really blame them for it.

 

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 4:03 PM Nate Burke mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> > wrote:

Set them in the sun for a little bit?  I haven't noticed any more problem than 
usual snapping them on a Force200 in below freezing weather.  Although the last 
one I did actually broke off one of the clips when it snapped on.  Just pray 
you never have to take one off

I think you have to remember that the designers of the equipment have never 
actually set foot outside the office.  Everything assembles fine when it's done 
with all parts individually lined up on a conference table in a 72 degree room. 
 All companies should make the design engineering team assemble all equipment 
on the tailgate of a pickup in a 20mph wind at 15 degrees, and I guarantee that 
it will be redesigned.  

On 3/7/2019 11:43 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I miss just snapping the SM onto a reflector.  but I suppose it's not time 
to wax nostalgic.

On 3/7/2019 12:40 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I’m getting tired of struggling to install the radomes on PMP450b high gain 
dishes, I think it’s the same radome as the ePMP Force 200.  I’ve had to resort 
to hammers and heat guns.  I don’t remember them being this difficult at first, 
maybe they shrink or get stiff sitting in the distribution warehouse, or maybe 
before I was doing it in August or something.  Usually the biggest problem is 
the next to last tab.

 

I don’t want to make it the installers problem because then I know I will start 
seeing dishes on houses with no radome, and a pile of radomes in the truck.  I 
want the radome for windload, appearance, and snow resistance.

 

Is there some kind of trick that someone has found to installing these devils?

 





 

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium radomes - is there a trick to popping them on?

[Ken Hohhof]

I will give them credit for standardizing the tools you need for assembly and 
installation, if you have a 13mm wrench and a 5mm hex key you’re probably good 
to go.  I think stuff with ground screws maybe takes a 10mm wrench.

 

Of course I got eye rolls from installers when I told them they’d need a hex 
key.  A METRIC hex key.  And you really need a bit for your cordless drill 
unless you’ve got all day.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2019 8:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium radomes - is there a trick to popping them on?

 

+1 to this, make them do it in real life/practice.  If it is tower gear, make 
them wear a harness and do it a couple feet above ground.  Ideally put a big 
ass fan and some water behind it.


 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 8:10 PM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Agreed.



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From: "Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2019 4:01:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium radomes - is there a trick to popping them on?

Set them in the sun for a little bit?  I haven't noticed any more problem than 
usual snapping them on a Force200 in below freezing weather.  Although the last 
one I did actually broke off one of the clips when it snapped on.  Just pray 
you never have to take one off

I think you have to remember that the designers of the equipment have never 
actually set foot outside the office.  Everything assembles fine when it's done 
with all parts individually lined up on a conference table in a 72 degree room. 
 All companies should make the design engineering team assemble all equipment 
on the tailgate of a pickup in a 20mph wind at 15 degrees, and I guarantee that 
it will be redesigned.  

On 3/7/2019 11:43 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I miss just snapping the SM onto a reflector.  but I suppose it's not time 
to wax nostalgic.

On 3/7/2019 12:40 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I’m getting tired of struggling to install the radomes on PMP450b high gain 
dishes, I think it’s the same radome as the ePMP Force 200.  I’ve had to resort 
to hammers and heat guns.  I don’t remember them being this difficult at first, 
maybe they shrink or get stiff sitting in the distribution warehouse, or maybe 
before I was doing it in August or something.  Usually the biggest problem is 
the next to last tab.

 

I don’t want to make it the installers problem because then I know I will start 
seeing dishes on houses with no radome, and a pile of radomes in the truck.  I 
want the radome for windload, appearance, and snow resistance.

 

Is there some kind of trick that someone has found to installing these devils?

 







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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium radomes - is there a trick to popping them on?

[castarritt]

Our installers are too lazy to put their radios together in the field (kids
these days!).  Instead, they do it on that conference table in the climate
controlled office before throwing them in the van.  The temp does sometimes
get down into the 40's here, so I don't really blame them for it.

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 4:03 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Set them in the sun for a little bit?  I haven't noticed any more problem
> than usual snapping them on a Force200 in below freezing weather.  Although
> the last one I did actually broke off one of the clips when it snapped on.
> Just pray you never have to take one off
>
> I think you have to remember that the designers of the equipment have
> never actually set foot outside the office.  Everything assembles fine when
> it's done with all parts individually lined up on a conference table in a
> 72 degree room.  All companies should make the design engineering team
> assemble all equipment on the tailgate of a pickup in a 20mph wind at 15
> degrees, and I guarantee that it will be redesigned.
>
> On 3/7/2019 11:43 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I miss just snapping the SM onto a reflector.  but I suppose it's not
> time to wax nostalgic.
>
> On 3/7/2019 12:40 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I’m getting tired of struggling to install the radomes on PMP450b high
> gain dishes, I think it’s the same radome as the ePMP Force 200.  I’ve had
> to resort to hammers and heat guns.  I don’t remember them being this
> difficult at first, maybe they shrink or get stiff sitting in the
> distribution warehouse, or maybe before I was doing it in August or
> something.  Usually the biggest problem is the next to last tab.
>
>
>
> I don’t want to make it the installers problem because then I know I will
> start seeing dishes on houses with no radome, and a pile of radomes in the
> truck.  I want the radome for windload, appearance, and snow resistance.
>
>
>
> Is there some kind of trick that someone has found to installing these
> devils?
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 820 License Keys

[Trey Scarborough]

No it will say its in demo mode. It will not have an alarm for a violation.

On 3/8/2019 8:55 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

So will demo mode still show anything as violations?

On 3/8/2019 8:44 AM, Trey Scarborough wrote:

Correct violation is 24 hrs if you put it in demo mode it is 60 days.



On 3/7/19 14:31, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What would be the difference?

Do certain keys cause a "violation" but not others?



Demo mode lets you do whatever you want with no restrictions, like 
007's license to kill.


Violation is if you turn on a feature you don't have a key for.





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Re: [AFMUG] 820 License Keys

[Nate Burke]

So will demo mode still show anything as violations?

On 3/8/2019 8:44 AM, Trey Scarborough wrote:

Correct violation is 24 hrs if you put it in demo mode it is 60 days.



On 3/7/19 14:31, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What would be the difference?

Do certain keys cause a "violation" but not others?



Demo mode lets you do whatever you want with no restrictions, like 
007's license to kill.


Violation is if you turn on a feature you don't have a key for.




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Re: [AFMUG] 820 License Keys

[Trey Scarborough]

Correct violation is 24 hrs if you put it in demo mode it is 60 days.



On 3/7/19 14:31, Ken Hohhof wrote:

What would be the difference?

Do certain keys cause a "violation" but not others?



Demo mode lets you do whatever you want with no restrictions, like 
007's license to kill.


Violation is if you turn on a feature you don't have a key for.


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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium radomes - is there a trick to popping them on?

[Josh Luthman]

+1 to this, make them do it in real life/practice.  If it is tower gear,
make them wear a harness and do it a couple feet above ground.  Ideally put
a big ass fan and some water behind it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 8:10 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Agreed.
>
>
>
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> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, March 7, 2019 4:01:09 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium radomes - is there a trick to popping them
> on?
>
> Set them in the sun for a little bit?  I haven't noticed any more problem
> than usual snapping them on a Force200 in below freezing weather.  Although
> the last one I did actually broke off one of the clips when it snapped on.
> Just pray you never have to take one off
>
> I think you have to remember that the designers of the equipment have
> never actually set foot outside the office.  Everything assembles fine when
> it's done with all parts individually lined up on a conference table in a
> 72 degree room.  All companies should make the design engineering team
> assemble all equipment on the tailgate of a pickup in a 20mph wind at 15
> degrees, and I guarantee that it will be redesigned.
>
> On 3/7/2019 11:43 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I miss just snapping the SM onto a reflector.  but I suppose it's not
> time to wax nostalgic.
>
> On 3/7/2019 12:40 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I’m getting tired of struggling to install the radomes on PMP450b high
> gain dishes, I think it’s the same radome as the ePMP Force 200.  I’ve had
> to resort to hammers and heat guns.  I don’t remember them being this
> difficult at first, maybe they shrink or get stiff sitting in the
> distribution warehouse, or maybe before I was doing it in August or
> something.  Usually the biggest problem is the next to last tab.
>
>
>
> I don’t want to make it the installers problem because then I know I will
> start seeing dishes on houses with no radome, and a pile of radomes in the
> truck.  I want the radome for windload, appearance, and snow resistance.
>
>
>
> Is there some kind of trick that someone has found to installing these
> devils?
>
>
>
>
>
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