Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[Daniel White]

The Unifi Mesh AP's with a Gen2 Cloud Key... works pretty good.  You can 
even remotely manage it without too much trouble.


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Paul McCall wrote on 8/21/19 16:44:


We have a small agriculture “campus” where we need to connect about 6 
APs back to the campus tower for “roaming” Wifi if that is a thing.  
Meaning the guy with a tablet is going to wander the grounds and need 
to switch APs automagically. In the past, we have just setup Mikrotik 
2.4 APs at each spot, backhauled it to the main tower, and the 
customer had to pick the best AP.


I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

*Paul McCall, President *

*Florida Broadband / PDMNet*

*658 Old Dixie Highway*

*Vero Beach, FL 32962*

*772-564-6800*





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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"


Paul,

Mikrotik may also do that.  If I remember correctly a few years back, mikrotik had a feature to do this.  I believe you would set a threshold signal on the AP's that if a client fell below that threshold they would be disconnected.  Theory was if they were disconnected from a weak AP they would re-connect to the strongest AP.  If DHCP was being handled at a central router, it should be almost seamless.  That was the theory at least.  I think this morphed into capsman at some point.

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Wednesday, August 21, 2019, 6:44:01 PM, you wrote:





We have a small agriculture “campus” where we need to connect about 6 APs back to the campus tower for “roaming” Wifi if that is a thing.  Meaning the guy with a tablet is going to wander the grounds and need to switch APs automagically.  In the past, we have just setup Mikrotik 2.4 APs at each spot, backhauled it to the main tower, and the customer had to pick the best AP.
 
I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.
 
How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?  
 
Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?
 
Paul McCall, President 
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
 





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Re: [AFMUG] Ransomeware

[Ken Hohhof]

Backing up to a USB flash drive = smart
Leaving the USB stick plugged into the server = not very smart

I'll bet lots of organizations lose their backups to the same ransomware.


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From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 8:43 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ransomeware

> Airgapped local backups.

I still use tapes (LTO) as part of my backup strategy. People often think
I'm dumb to put money into tape technology because cloud cloud cloud, but in
my opinion it's harder to mess with an unmounted tape.

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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[Ken Hohhof]

Cisco Cisco, or Cisco Meraki?

 

When I encounter customers who have Cisco APs or even security appliances, it 
seems they are pushing the Meraki product line now.  It could be the same old 
stuff with different branding, but probably not, it seems that Cisco realized 
the Meraki stuff was better and that’s why they paid over $1 billion to buy the 
company.

 

The original Cisco WiFi product line I suspect was overpriced and nothing to 
write home about.  Along the lines of the old saying that nobody every got 
fired for buying IBM.  Subsititute Cisco for IBM.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 7:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

 

I used 6 UniFi APs to prove a point against 26 Cisco APs in a warehouse for 
barcode scanners...

I have never had issues with them.

 

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 4:44 PM Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

We have a small agriculture “campus” where we need to connect about 6 APs back 
to the campus tower for “roaming” Wifi if that is a thing.  Meaning the guy 
with a tablet is going to wander the grounds and need to switch APs 
automagically.  In the past, we have just setup Mikrotik 2.4 APs at each spot, 
backhauled it to the main tower, and the customer had to pick the best AP.

 

I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

 

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?  

 

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

 

Paul McCall, President 

Florida Broadband / PDMNet

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Ransomeware

[Seth Mattinen]

Airgapped local backups.


I still use tapes (LTO) as part of my backup strategy. People often 
think I'm dumb to put money into tape technology because cloud cloud 
cloud, but in my opinion it's harder to mess with an unmounted tape.


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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[Jaime Solorza]

I used 6 UniFi APs to prove a point against 26 Cisco APs in a warehouse for
barcode scanners...
I have never had issues with them.

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 4:44 PM Paul McCall  wrote:

> We have a small agriculture “campus” where we need to connect about 6 APs
> back to the campus tower for “roaming” Wifi if that is a thing.  Meaning
> the guy with a tablet is going to wander the grounds and need to switch APs
> automagically.  In the past, we have just setup Mikrotik 2.4 APs at each
> spot, backhauled it to the main tower, and the customer had to pick the
> best AP.
>
>
>
> I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.
>
>
>
> How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?
>
>
>
> Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?
>
>
>
> *Paul McCall, President *
>
> *Florida Broadband / PDMNet*
>
> *658 Old Dixie Highway*
>
> *Vero Beach, FL 32962*
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Re: [AFMUG] Ransomeware

[Gino A. Villarini]

We had an experience last year.. very professional..

Ransomware had instructions to TOR based website, there we found clear 
procedure on multiple languages available from a menu.  The had an online chat 
and were very helpful!

I had a better experience with them than with most of our suppliers! They even 
offered discount based on volume of machines!




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From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 8:00 PM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ransomeware

Heard one of the best presentations ever today at the Tri State Telecom Conf in 
Sun Valley, Id.  It was a real world story told by the CEO of Syringa Networks.

He said he would share his PPT.  If he does I will post it there.  It was 
striking how he described how professional the extortion guys were.  They even 
offered references to assure them if they paid they would get their files back. 
 They paid the ransom in bitcoin.  The FBI was zero help.  It was actually 
their insurance company that provided the most helpful guidance.  The insurance 
company said “relax, we do this 5 times a month”.

He would not say how much it cost them.  He recommends  you pay if  you are 
dealing with an “ethical” extortion company.

They have transitioned away from anything microsoft as much as possible.  
Giving everyone ipads or macs.  Making everything cloud based.  2FA 
authentication using fobs (I think).  Airgapped local backups.

It was a two stage attack.  First came from a worker taking a laptop home and 
getting infected with something that then was brought to work to spread.  They 
stampped it out.  Apparently that virus collected info that was sold to the 
ransomware company that used it to expertly infect their whole network.

One take away is DO NOT REBOOT.  If you do you are screwed.
He said linux systems running on a VM running on a windows machine were fine, 
but the machine was frozen.  They could  not do anything with it.

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Re: [AFMUG] Ransomeware

[Bill Prince]

My first experience with a virus happened this way. Someone took work 
home on a floppy, their kid infect the floppy, and they brought the 
floppy back to work, and infected everyone on the local network. That 
was circa 1992 or something like that.



bp


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It was a two stage attack.  First came from a worker taking a laptop 
home and getting infected with something that then was brought to work 
to spread.  They stampped it out.  Apparently that virus collected 
info that was sold to the ransomware company that used it to expertly 
infect their whole network.


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[AFMUG] Ransomeware

[Chuck McCown]

Heard one of the best presentations ever today at the Tri State Telecom Conf in 
Sun Valley, Id.  It was a real world story told by the CEO of Syringa Networks.

He said he would share his PPT.  If he does I will post it there.  It was 
striking how he described how professional the extortion guys were.  They even 
offered references to assure them if they paid they would get their files back. 
 They paid the ransom in bitcoin.  The FBI was zero help.  It was actually 
their insurance company that provided the most helpful guidance.  The insurance 
company said “relax, we do this 5 times a month”.

He would not say how much it cost them.  He recommends  you pay if  you are 
dealing with an “ethical” extortion company.  

They have transitioned away from anything microsoft as much as possible.  
Giving everyone ipads or macs.  Making everything cloud based.  2FA 
authentication using fobs (I think).  Airgapped local backups.  

It was a two stage attack.  First came from a worker taking a laptop home and 
getting infected with something that then was brought to work to spread.  They 
stampped it out.  Apparently that virus collected info that was sold to the 
ransomware company that used it to expertly infect their whole network.

One take away is DO NOT REBOOT.  If you do you are screwed.
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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Chuck McCown]

There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that apparently is 
dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung damage to 
bats.


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are
exceeding 104 Meters

On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Ummm   blade tip speed is still pretty darn high.   Just because it looks 
slow doesn't mean that it is...  180Mph...


https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272

On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats just fly 
around them.



bp


On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl






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Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?

[Gino A. Villarini]

No idea, make an offer ?


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From: AF  on behalf of Sean Heskett 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 7:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?

Hey Gino,

I’ll take your old 450s if you need to find a new home for them.  How much $$?

-Sean

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 2:51 PM Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
Just checked, they are old 450, not i

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 4:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?

Just checking in on what you might have laying around.

Thanks
Sam

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How many you need? I might have some


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Yo people! Anyone have 4 used 450i AP's laying around that you would like to 
sell?

Thanks
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Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?

[Sean Heskett]

Hey Gino,

I’ll take your old 450s if you need to find a new home for them.  How much
$$?

-Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Robert Andrews]

That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are 
exceeding 104 Meters


On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Ummm   blade tip speed is still pretty darn high.   Just because it 
looks slow doesn't mean that it is...  180Mph...


https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 



On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats just 
fly around them.



bp


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Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl






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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Robert Andrews]

Ummm   blade tip speed is still pretty darn high.   Just because it 
looks slow doesn't mean that it is...  180Mph...


https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272

On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats just 
fly around them.



bp


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Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl




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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Bill Prince]

Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats just 
fly around them.



bp


On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl


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Re: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

[Chuck McCown]

I am guessing if all the APs have the same SSID but different channels, the 
user device will switch on its own.  Set up 2 or 3 routers and experiment a 
bit.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 4:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

We have a small agriculture “campus” where we need to connect about 6 APs back 
to the campus tower for “roaming” Wifi if that is a thing.  Meaning the guy 
with a tablet is going to wander the grounds and need to switch APs 
automagically.  In the past, we have just setup Mikrotik 2.4 APs at each spot, 
backhauled it to the main tower, and the customer had to pick the best AP.

 

I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

 

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?  

 

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

 

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[AFMUG] Wifi Campus"

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We have a small agriculture "campus" where we need to connect about 6 APs back 
to the campus tower for "roaming" Wifi if that is a thing.  Meaning the guy 
with a tablet is going to wander the grounds and need to switch APs 
automagically.  In the past, we have just setup Mikrotik 2.4 APs at each spot, 
backhauled it to the main tower, and the customer had to pick the best AP.

I know there are high $$ solutions but trying to do this on the cheap.

How does UBNT Unifi do with something like this?

Any better (still in the cheap range) solutions?

Paul McCall, President
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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[castarritt .]

I've though about offering wireless electricity, but I can't figure out how
to make cat5e work 300' up a giant Tesla coil.

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 5:31 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 8/14/19 13:12, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale
> > electric company?
> >
> > The end-customer still gets service from the main power company, but
> > usually gets a better rate through a third-party reseller of another
> > generation provider.
>
>
> Go find a copy of Enron's business plan, adjust for mistakes, try again?
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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/14/19 13:12, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale 
electric company?


The end-customer still gets service from the main power company, but 
usually gets a better rate through a third-party reseller of another 
generation provider.



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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Chuck McCown]

I am worried that geothermal energy will accelerate earth core cooling causing 
the poles to flip and disrupting all of technology in the process.  Hydro kills 
the salmon.  Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl.  Solar may 
contribute to the coming ice age.  

So I will stick to coal, I feel we need to free up all that sequestered carbon, 
and coal particulates encourage rainfall thus irrigating the earth and 
cleansing the atmosphere all in one shot.

Oh, wait...wrong forum... never mind...

From: Carl Peterson 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 4:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

If I want to pay more for 100% renewable electricity or organic eggs thats my 
business.  Its one thing to have a socialist electrical grid but now you want 
socialist generation as well?   

//Lent?  

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 10:19 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Same in NY, and I have the same complaints.  Same wire, same product, 
  fake competition.

  On 8/21/2019 10:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  > We have it hear, I thought it was widespread, maybe not.  Transmission is
  > unbundled from generation.
  >
  > I find it annoying.  The alternative power companies are always calling to
  > get you to switch, sometimes with misleading sale tactics.  You hear about
  > people falling for bait-and-switch pricing where they end up paying more for
  > their power.  Also many municipalities put out bids and choose an energy
  > supplier which then applies to all residents (or all businesses) unless they
  > opt out.
  >
  > IMHO it's an unnecessary complication.  It's not like gasoline where they
  > can at least claim to have a better product, electrons are electrons, and
  > the power is blended anyway.  It's not like the power you get was generated
  > by the supplier you chose, or that you  will have less outages or better
  > voltage or something.  It's strictly about price.  Electricity is a
  > commodity.  I don't want the hassle of choosing a power generation supplier
  > each year.  It feels just like choosing a health insurance supplier on the
  > marketplace each year, I look forward to that like a colonoscopy.
  >
  > I think the power companies like ComEd and Ameren are forced to buy solar
  > and wind power anyway from those who choose to generate it, so I'm missing
  > the big benefit.  I seriously doubt this has saved me any money from
  > "competition".
  >
  > As far as the question about being a reseller for one of these power
  > "CLECs", I would avoid it, if only because they are viewed by many people as
  > kind of shady.  Tricksters with robocalls.  Maybe sell CBD oil instead, that
  > seems to be all the rage.  Apparently the remaining video rental places
  > actually exist to sell CBD products.  That must be fun.  Take the kids to
  > rent a VHS tape and they say "look, Daddy, they have gummies, can we get
  > some?"
  >
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:26 AM
  > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
  >
  > They tried to do the CLEC type of thing with power years ago.  Maybe just in
  > California.  Was a disaster.
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: John Osmon
  > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:31 PM
  > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
  >
  > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 04:12:25PM -0400, Matt Hoppes wrote:
  >> Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale
  >> electric company?
  > At scale, that's effectively what a data center becomes...
  >
  > Never thought about it on bigger scale.
  >
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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Carl Peterson]

If I want to pay more for 100% renewable electricity or organic eggs thats
my business.  Its one thing to have a socialist electrical grid but now you
want socialist generation as well?

//Lent?

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 10:19 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Same in NY, and I have the same complaints.  Same wire, same product,
> fake competition.
>
> On 8/21/2019 10:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > We have it hear, I thought it was widespread, maybe not.  Transmission is
> > unbundled from generation.
> >
> > I find it annoying.  The alternative power companies are always calling
> to
> > get you to switch, sometimes with misleading sale tactics.  You hear
> about
> > people falling for bait-and-switch pricing where they end up paying more
> for
> > their power.  Also many municipalities put out bids and choose an energy
> > supplier which then applies to all residents (or all businesses) unless
> they
> > opt out.
> >
> > IMHO it's an unnecessary complication.  It's not like gasoline where they
> > can at least claim to have a better product, electrons are electrons, and
> > the power is blended anyway.  It's not like the power you get was
> generated
> > by the supplier you chose, or that you  will have less outages or better
> > voltage or something.  It's strictly about price.  Electricity is a
> > commodity.  I don't want the hassle of choosing a power generation
> supplier
> > each year.  It feels just like choosing a health insurance supplier on
> the
> > marketplace each year, I look forward to that like a colonoscopy.
> >
> > I think the power companies like ComEd and Ameren are forced to buy solar
> > and wind power anyway from those who choose to generate it, so I'm
> missing
> > the big benefit.  I seriously doubt this has saved me any money from
> > "competition".
> >
> > As far as the question about being a reseller for one of these power
> > "CLECs", I would avoid it, if only because they are viewed by many
> people as
> > kind of shady.  Tricksters with robocalls.  Maybe sell CBD oil instead,
> that
> > seems to be all the rage.  Apparently the remaining video rental places
> > actually exist to sell CBD products.  That must be fun.  Take the kids to
> > rent a VHS tape and they say "look, Daddy, they have gummies, can we get
> > some?"
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:26 AM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
> >
> > They tried to do the CLEC type of thing with power years ago.  Maybe
> just in
> > California.  Was a disaster.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John Osmon
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:31 PM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 04:12:25PM -0400, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale
> >> electric company?
> > At scale, that's effectively what a data center becomes...
> >
> > Never thought about it on bigger scale.
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Asking for three years, but likely to take something less, with an appeal 
process for specific situations.  It’s a moving target.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
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574-220-7826 Cell
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> On Aug 21, 2019, at 4:02 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Isn’t WISPA still trying to get an extension?  The start date slipped 5 years 
> but the end date stayed the same.  But probably the govt doesn’t care because 
> only us nobodies deployed under Part 90, not important entities like AT and 
> Verizon.  So transition?  What transition?  This is greenfield spectrum (for 
> the cellcos).
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:21 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65
>  
> its got to be turned down in april
>  
> we are converting everything, we missed the deadline about signing up to be 
> grandfathered before we even knew about it, besides the grandfathering isnt 
> likely to give any authority
>  
> I dont know if theyll even tell us how to report unauthorized transmitters, 
> and even if we get a mechanism I have to question whether theyll enforce 
> anything on behalf of a nobody operator like us
>  
>  
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 9:42 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
> Good point.
> 
> We have a tower with old Alvarion Wimax gear on it.   We know we'll have to 
> replace it with something that talks to the SAS, but it's a tough pill to 
> swallow.  LTE is expensive and a new Wimax product would be a dead end, but 
> it's almost 100% nLOS so we basically have to pick between those two flavors 
> of crap sandwich.
> 
> We basically decided on LTE and it'll get done, but I could imagine people in 
> that circumstance operating out of compliance for awhile because they can't 
> pay for the replacement.  There's also going to be somebody out there who 
> hasn't been paying attention and has no idea that their hardware is going to 
> become illegal. 
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/21/2019 10:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Not really SAS per se,  but the fact that at some date, legacy Part 90 
> equipment that can’t be certified under Part 96 is supposed to be 
> decommissioned.  That means WiMAX stuff like PMP320 as well as Ubiquiti M 
> series and AF3x.
>  
> I think it’s a bit naïve though to assume this will “eliminate” that gear 
> like waving a magic wand.  Yes, responsible network operators will replace a 
> lot of it with CBRS equipment or something else, but it’s not just going to 
> turn into pumpkins at midnight because the FCC wishes it.  We have some 
> grandfathered backhauls with AF3x and even some Rockets and Powerbridges, 
> those won’t be going CBRS, probably 11 GHz where possible.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 8:54 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65
>  
> Sas is suppposed to eliminate the rogue ubnt gear. Im assuming there is 
> recourse if there is an illegal operator, but as far as i know, that path is 
> not clearly defined
>  
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 8:43 AM Paul McCall  wrote:
> Great feedback everyone.  Kinda what I figured though.  No special sauce 
> added on the MU-Mimo part of the 450 APs that overcome tree penetration 
> issues.  We have had good luck with the 320s for the most part, but they are 
> only ¾ baked as a system , and far from being future proof, capacity wise.
>  
> The 3.65 band  in general makes they choice a bit tentative.  Meaning  you 
> can spend a bunch of money on LTE gear and have a $ 150 UBNT device start 
> interfering with you, with little recourse.  Ouch.  No 2.5ghz band available 
> in my area.
>  
> And, In Florida our ROI sheet has to account for more equipment damage that 
> most, so its not an easy call.
>  
> Paul
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:36 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65
>  
> We are at decision time on what to do with the 320/ubnt 3ghz, same boat on 
> decisions. LTE is a brand new horse to us, but the historic issues of 
> interference frighten my more than walking in on my wife with another man 
> when she should be doing laundry, I need clean work shirts. We had done some 
> base testing with baicells and we considering the trigger pull, but we have 
> the 450 out, and its performed as well or better than expected, this is not i 
> or m but it was considered, by us to be a drop in replacement for the wimax, 
> and ePMP to pick up the LOS UBNT junk. 
> Ive been trying to find out what SAS is actually doing real world, but I dont 
> know that the trial operators are allowed to speak of it without ending up in 
> a lake with concrete shoes. If SAS solves all the worlds woes regarding 
> interference, its a cost no brainer to deploy the crap out of baicells, take 
> the range hit, and fill the gaps with microcells where required. 
> but, 450, 

Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Just checked, they are old 450, not i

From: AF  on behalf of Sam Lambie 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 at 4:46 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?

Just checking in on what you might have laying around.

Thanks
Sam

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 4:28 PM Gino A. Villarini 
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:
How many you need? I might have some


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Subject: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?

Yo people! Anyone have 4 used 450i AP's laying around that you would like to 
sell?

Thanks
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Re: [AFMUG] Used 450i 5ghz AP's?

[Sam Lambie]

Just checking in on what you might have laying around.

Thanks
Sam

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

[Ken Hohhof]

Isn’t WISPA still trying to get an extension?  The start date slipped 5 years 
but the end date stayed the same.  But probably the govt doesn’t care because 
only us nobodies deployed under Part 90, not important entities like AT and 
Verizon.  So transition?  What transition?  This is greenfield spectrum (for 
the cellcos).

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 1:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

 

its got to be turned down in april

 

we are converting everything, we missed the deadline about signing up to be 
grandfathered before we even knew about it, besides the grandfathering isnt 
likely to give any authority

 

I dont know if theyll even tell us how to report unauthorized transmitters, and 
even if we get a mechanism I have to question whether theyll enforce anything 
on behalf of a nobody operator like us

 

 

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 9:42 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Good point.

We have a tower with old Alvarion Wimax gear on it.   We know we'll have to 
replace it with something that talks to the SAS, but it's a tough pill to 
swallow.  LTE is expensive and a new Wimax product would be a dead end, but 
it's almost 100% nLOS so we basically have to pick between those two flavors of 
crap sandwich.

We basically decided on LTE and it'll get done, but I could imagine people in 
that circumstance operating out of compliance for awhile because they can't pay 
for the replacement.  There's also going to be somebody out there who hasn't 
been paying attention and has no idea that their hardware is going to become 
illegal. 

-Adam




On 8/21/2019 10:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Not really SAS per se,  but the fact that at some date, legacy Part 90 
equipment that can’t be certified under Part 96 is supposed to be 
decommissioned.  That means WiMAX stuff like PMP320 as well as Ubiquiti M 
series and AF3x.

 

I think it’s a bit naïve though to assume this will “eliminate” that gear like 
waving a magic wand.  Yes, responsible network operators will replace a lot of 
it with CBRS equipment or something else, but it’s not just going to turn into 
pumpkins at midnight because the FCC wishes it.  We have some grandfathered 
backhauls with AF3x and even some Rockets and Powerbridges, those won’t be 
going CBRS, probably 11 GHz where possible.

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 8:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

 

Sas is suppposed to eliminate the rogue ubnt gear. Im assuming there is 
recourse if there is an illegal operator, but as far as i know, that path is 
not clearly defined

 

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 8:43 AM Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

Great feedback everyone.  Kinda what I figured though.  No special sauce added 
on the MU-Mimo part of the 450 APs that overcome tree penetration issues.  We 
have had good luck with the 320s for the most part, but they are only ¾ baked 
as a system , and far from being future proof, capacity wise.

 

The 3.65 band  in general makes they choice a bit tentative.  Meaning  you can 
spend a bunch of money on LTE gear and have a $ 150 UBNT device start 
interfering with you, with little recourse.  Ouch.  No 2.5ghz band available in 
my area.

 

And, In Florida our ROI sheet has to account for more equipment damage that 
most, so its not an easy call.

 

Paul

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

 

We are at decision time on what to do with the 320/ubnt 3ghz, same boat on 
decisions. LTE is a brand new horse to us, but the historic issues of 
interference frighten my more than walking in on my wife with another man when 
she should be doing laundry, I need clean work shirts. We had done some base 
testing with baicells and we considering the trigger pull, but we have the 450 
out, and its performed as well or better than expected, this is not i or m but 
it was considered, by us to be a drop in replacement for the wimax, and ePMP to 
pick up the LOS UBNT junk. 

Ive been trying to find out what SAS is actually doing real world, but I dont 
know that the trial operators are allowed to speak of it without ending up in a 
lake with concrete shoes. If SAS solves all the worlds woes regarding 
interference, its a cost no brainer to deploy the crap out of baicells, take 
the range hit, and fill the gaps with microcells where required. 

but, 450, being the horse it is, works, and works well, even in the 
interference we have. Its drop in for us on the wimax because we were very 
careful on EIRP to not push our luck. we may take a 1x hit here and there, but 
offloading the LOS customers to EPMP will make up 

Re: [AFMUG] OT I don't get it

[Bill Prince]

i saw this on Vice, and expected to read just one article, but there are 
actually several articles that outline many of the pratfalls in the 
blossoming weed industry,


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ywag8j/oregon-has-way-too-much-legal-weed-this-is-where-its-going

bp


On 8/21/2019 10:54 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Where did you sell cigarettes?

Chuck Hogg wrote:
Stampless tobacco is either counterfeit or sold through places like 
Indian reservations.  Indian Reservations and the big tobacco giants 
love each other.  The reservations will sell to the small gas 
stations with stampless product or counterfeited stamps.  Usually the 
largest part of the price of cigarettes comes in the form of taxes.


I used to sell about 12-14k cartons a month.  The Indian Reservations 
contacted me multiple times to get truckloads of unstamped Philip 
Morris or RJ Reynolds product.


On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:16 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


    Yes, the hydropnics is expensive, but the real killer is the
    electricity. If youre growing high potency niche strains, you need
    to control the entire environment. I think cali is a 6 plant state.
    There is still black market booze, huge numbers of black market
    tobacco products. Taxes and regulations are always going to
    produce black markets. Illionois just went to tobacco 21 and
    jacked taxes. Stampless tobacco is all over the place now. I dont
    even know where they get these, packaging looks legit, so maybe
    they just truck ot from manufacturers

    On Mon, Aug 19, 2019, 7:09 AM Jay Weekley
    mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> 
wrote:


    You can grow your own in California can't you?  Is it very
    hard or
    expensive to do so?

    Bill Prince wrote:
    >
    > The black market still exists because they made the taxes so
    high.
    >
    > The cannabis coming from south of the border does not have
    the same
    > (or any) quality/potency controls.
    >
    > Yes. They are worried about losing revenue.
    >
    > What they don't understand (yet) is if they lower the
    duty/taxes on
    > cannabis, the legal volume will go up and make more revenue.
    >
    > bp
    > 
    >
    > On 8/18/2019 5:14 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
    >> News article about some pot mixed with peppers being
    intercepted in
    >> San Diego.
    >> Officials said:
    >>
    >> Not only did they prevent the drugs from reaching our
    community,
    >> they also prevented millions of dollars of potential
    profit from
    >> making it into the hands of a transnational criminal
    organization."
    >>
    >> The first half of that does not make any sense to me because
    >> California now has a vested interest in these so called
    “drugs” from
    >> reaching the community via official channels.
    >> The second half seems like it is more about the state
    losing the profit?
    >> How is it worth the risk to import pot into a state that has
    >> recreational pot?  Is there a market for black market pot?
    >>
    >
    >

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

[Steve Jones]

its got to be turned down in april

we are converting everything, we missed the deadline about signing up to be
grandfathered before we even knew about it, besides the grandfathering isnt
likely to give any authority

I dont know if theyll even tell us how to report unauthorized transmitters,
and even if we get a mechanism I have to question whether theyll enforce
anything on behalf of a nobody operator like us


On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 9:42 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Good point.
>
> We have a tower with old Alvarion Wimax gear on it.   We know we'll have
> to replace it with something that talks to the SAS, but it's a tough pill
> to swallow.  LTE is expensive and a new Wimax product would be a dead end,
> but it's almost 100% nLOS so we basically have to pick between those two
> flavors of crap sandwich.
>
> We basically decided on LTE and it'll get done, but I could imagine people
> in that circumstance operating out of compliance for awhile because they
> can't pay for the replacement.  There's also going to be *somebody* out
> there who hasn't been paying attention and has no idea that their hardware
> is going to become illegal.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
> On 8/21/2019 10:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Not really SAS per se,  but the fact that at some date, legacy Part 90
> equipment that can’t be certified under Part 96 is supposed to be
> decommissioned.  That means WiMAX stuff like PMP320 as well as Ubiquiti M
> series and AF3x.
>
>
>
> I think it’s a bit naïve though to assume this will “eliminate” that gear
> like waving a magic wand.  Yes, responsible network operators will replace
> a lot of it with CBRS equipment or something else, but it’s not just going
> to turn into pumpkins at midnight because the FCC wishes it.  We have some
> grandfathered backhauls with AF3x and even some Rockets and Powerbridges,
> those won’t be going CBRS, probably 11 GHz where possible.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2019 8:54 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65
>
>
>
> Sas is suppposed to eliminate the rogue ubnt gear. Im assuming there is
> recourse if there is an illegal operator, but as far as i know, that path
> is not clearly defined
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 8:43 AM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Great feedback everyone.  Kinda what I figured though.  No special sauce
> added on the MU-Mimo part of the 450 APs that overcome tree penetration
> issues.  We have had good luck with the 320s for the most part, but they
> are only ¾ baked as a system , and far from being future proof, capacity
> wise.
>
>
>
> The 3.65 band  in general makes they choice a bit tentative.  Meaning  you
> can spend a bunch of money on LTE gear and have a $ 150 UBNT device start
> interfering with you, with little recourse.  Ouch.  No 2.5ghz band
> available in my area.
>
>
>
> And, In Florida our ROI sheet has to account for more equipment damage
> that most, so its not an easy call.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65
>
>
>
> We are at decision time on what to do with the 320/ubnt 3ghz, same boat on
> decisions. LTE is a brand new horse to us, but the historic issues of
> interference frighten my more than walking in on my wife with another man
> when she should be doing laundry, I need clean work shirts. We had done
> some base testing with baicells and we considering the trigger pull, but we
> have the 450 out, and its performed as well or better than expected, this
> is not i or m but it was considered, by us to be a drop in replacement for
> the wimax, and ePMP to pick up the LOS UBNT junk.
>
> Ive been trying to find out what SAS is actually doing real world, but I
> dont know that the trial operators are allowed to speak of it without
> ending up in a lake with concrete shoes. If SAS solves all the worlds woes
> regarding interference, its a cost no brainer to deploy the crap out of
> baicells, take the range hit, and fill the gaps with microcells where
> required.
>
> but, 450, being the horse it is, works, and works well, even in the
> interference we have. Its drop in for us on the wimax because we were very
> careful on EIRP to not push our luck. we may take a 1x hit here and there,
> but offloading the LOS customers to EPMP will make up for that. May still
> require the occasional non standard solution for the customers that just
> dont work on anything other than the wimax, solely because it connected at
> such a crummy level. We should have addressed them historically anyway
> though.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Probably not applicable to PMP320, but with the Purewave basestations, I’m
> convinced many operators were setting them to max xmt power ignoring FCC
> limits on EIRP.  That of course didn’t help upstream, and the CPE 

Re: [AFMUG] OT I don't get it

[Jay Weekley]

Where did you sell cigarettes?

Chuck Hogg wrote:
Stampless tobacco is either counterfeit or sold through places like 
Indian reservations.  Indian Reservations and the big tobacco giants 
love each other.  The reservations will sell to the small gas stations 
with stampless product or counterfeited stamps.  Usually the largest 
part of the price of cigarettes comes in the form of taxes.


I used to sell about 12-14k cartons a month.  The Indian Reservations 
contacted me multiple times to get truckloads of unstamped Philip 
Morris or RJ Reynolds product.


On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:16 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Yes, the hydropnics is expensive, but the real killer is the
electricity. If youre growing high potency niche strains, you need
to control the entire environment. I think cali is a 6 plant state.
There is still black market booze, huge numbers of black market
tobacco products. Taxes and regulations are always going to
produce black markets. Illionois just went to tobacco 21 and
jacked taxes. Stampless tobacco is all over the place now. I dont
even know where they get these, packaging looks legit, so maybe
they just truck ot from manufacturers

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019, 7:09 AM Jay Weekley
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

You can grow your own in California can't you?  Is it very
hard or
expensive to do so?

Bill Prince wrote:
>
> The black market still exists because they made the taxes so
high.
>
> The cannabis coming from south of the border does not have
the same
> (or any) quality/potency controls.
>
> Yes. They are worried about losing revenue.
>
> What they don't understand (yet) is if they lower the
duty/taxes on
> cannabis, the legal volume will go up and make more revenue.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 8/18/2019 5:14 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> News article about some pot mixed with peppers being
intercepted in
>> San Diego.
>> Officials said:
>>
>> Not only did they prevent the drugs from reaching our
community,
>> they also prevented millions of dollars of potential
profit from
>> making it into the hands of a transnational criminal
organization."
>>
>> The first half of that does not make any sense to me because
>> California now has a vested interest in these so called
“drugs” from
>> reaching the community via official channels.
>> The second half seems like it is more about the state
losing the profit?
>> How is it worth the risk to import pot into a state that has
>> recreational pot?  Is there a market for black market pot?
>>
>
>

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Re: [AFMUG] OT I don't get it

[Chuck Hogg]

Stampless tobacco is either counterfeit or sold through places like Indian
reservations.  Indian Reservations and the big tobacco giants love each
other.  The reservations will sell to the small gas stations with stampless
product or counterfeited stamps.  Usually the largest part of the price of
cigarettes comes in the form of taxes.

I used to sell about 12-14k cartons a month.  The Indian Reservations
contacted me multiple times to get truckloads of unstamped Philip Morris or
RJ Reynolds product.

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:16 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Yes, the hydropnics is expensive, but the real killer is the electricity.
> If youre growing high potency niche strains, you need to control the entire
> environment. I think cali is a 6 plant state.
> There is still black market booze, huge numbers of black market tobacco
> products. Taxes and regulations are always going to produce black markets.
> Illionois just went to tobacco 21 and jacked taxes. Stampless tobacco is
> all over the place now. I dont even know where they get these, packaging
> looks legit, so maybe they just truck ot from manufacturers
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019, 7:09 AM Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
>
>> You can grow your own in California can't you?  Is it very hard or
>> expensive to do so?
>>
>> Bill Prince wrote:
>> >
>> > The black market still exists because they made the taxes so high.
>> >
>> > The cannabis coming from south of the border does not have the same
>> > (or any) quality/potency controls.
>> >
>> > Yes. They are worried about losing revenue.
>> >
>> > What they don't understand (yet) is if they lower the duty/taxes on
>> > cannabis, the legal volume will go up and make more revenue.
>> >
>> > bp
>> > 
>> >
>> > On 8/18/2019 5:14 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> >> News article about some pot mixed with peppers being intercepted in
>> >> San Diego.
>> >> Officials said:
>> >>
>> >> Not only did they prevent the drugs from reaching our community,
>> >> they also prevented millions of dollars of potential profit from
>> >> making it into the hands of a transnational criminal organization."
>> >>
>> >> The first half of that does not make any sense to me because
>> >> California now has a vested interest in these so called “drugs” from
>> >> reaching the community via official channels.
>> >> The second half seems like it is more about the state losing the
>> profit?
>> >> How is it worth the risk to import pot into a state that has
>> >> recreational pot?  Is there a market for black market pot?
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Adam Moffett]

Same in NY, and I have the same complaints.  Same wire, same product, 
fake competition.


On 8/21/2019 10:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

We have it hear, I thought it was widespread, maybe not.  Transmission is
unbundled from generation.

I find it annoying.  The alternative power companies are always calling to
get you to switch, sometimes with misleading sale tactics.  You hear about
people falling for bait-and-switch pricing where they end up paying more for
their power.  Also many municipalities put out bids and choose an energy
supplier which then applies to all residents (or all businesses) unless they
opt out.

IMHO it's an unnecessary complication.  It's not like gasoline where they
can at least claim to have a better product, electrons are electrons, and
the power is blended anyway.  It's not like the power you get was generated
by the supplier you chose, or that you  will have less outages or better
voltage or something.  It's strictly about price.  Electricity is a
commodity.  I don't want the hassle of choosing a power generation supplier
each year.  It feels just like choosing a health insurance supplier on the
marketplace each year, I look forward to that like a colonoscopy.

I think the power companies like ComEd and Ameren are forced to buy solar
and wind power anyway from those who choose to generate it, so I'm missing
the big benefit.  I seriously doubt this has saved me any money from
"competition".

As far as the question about being a reseller for one of these power
"CLECs", I would avoid it, if only because they are viewed by many people as
kind of shady.  Tricksters with robocalls.  Maybe sell CBD oil instead, that
seems to be all the rage.  Apparently the remaining video rental places
actually exist to sell CBD products.  That must be fun.  Take the kids to
rent a VHS tape and they say "look, Daddy, they have gummies, can we get
some?"


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

They tried to do the CLEC type of thing with power years ago.  Maybe just in
California.  Was a disaster.

-Original Message-
From: John Osmon
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 04:12:25PM -0400, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale
electric company?

At scale, that's effectively what a data center becomes...

Never thought about it on bigger scale.

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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Robert]

ENRON   Need anyone say more?

On 8/21/19 7:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
They tried to do the CLEC type of thing with power years ago.  Maybe 
just in California.  Was a disaster.


-Original Message- From: John Osmon
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 04:12:25PM -0400, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale
electric company?


At scale, that's effectively what a data center becomes...

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Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Ken Hohhof]

We have it hear, I thought it was widespread, maybe not.  Transmission is
unbundled from generation.

I find it annoying.  The alternative power companies are always calling to
get you to switch, sometimes with misleading sale tactics.  You hear about
people falling for bait-and-switch pricing where they end up paying more for
their power.  Also many municipalities put out bids and choose an energy
supplier which then applies to all residents (or all businesses) unless they
opt out.

IMHO it's an unnecessary complication.  It's not like gasoline where they
can at least claim to have a better product, electrons are electrons, and
the power is blended anyway.  It's not like the power you get was generated
by the supplier you chose, or that you  will have less outages or better
voltage or something.  It's strictly about price.  Electricity is a
commodity.  I don't want the hassle of choosing a power generation supplier
each year.  It feels just like choosing a health insurance supplier on the
marketplace each year, I look forward to that like a colonoscopy.

I think the power companies like ComEd and Ameren are forced to buy solar
and wind power anyway from those who choose to generate it, so I'm missing
the big benefit.  I seriously doubt this has saved me any money from
"competition".

As far as the question about being a reseller for one of these power
"CLECs", I would avoid it, if only because they are viewed by many people as
kind of shady.  Tricksters with robocalls.  Maybe sell CBD oil instead, that
seems to be all the rage.  Apparently the remaining video rental places
actually exist to sell CBD products.  That must be fun.  Take the kids to
rent a VHS tape and they say "look, Daddy, they have gummies, can we get
some?"


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:26 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

They tried to do the CLEC type of thing with power years ago.  Maybe just in
California.  Was a disaster.

-Original Message-
From: John Osmon
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 04:12:25PM -0400, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale 
> electric company?

At scale, that's effectively what a data center becomes...

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

[Adam Moffett]

Good point.

We have a tower with old Alvarion Wimax gear on it.   We know we'll have 
to replace it with something that talks to the SAS, but it's a tough 
pill to swallow.  LTE is expensive and a new Wimax product would be a 
dead end, but it's almost 100% nLOS so we basically have to pick between 
those two flavors of crap sandwich.


We basically decided on LTE and it'll get done, but I could imagine 
people in that circumstance operating out of compliance for awhile 
because they can't pay for the replacement.  There's also going to be 
/somebody/ out there who hasn't been paying attention and has no idea 
that their hardware is going to become illegal.


-Adam



On 8/21/2019 10:28 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Not really SAS per se,  but the fact that at some date, legacy Part 90 
equipment that can’t be certified under Part 96 is supposed to be 
decommissioned.  That means WiMAX stuff like PMP320 as well as 
Ubiquiti M series and AF3x.


I think it’s a bit naïve though to assume this will “eliminate” that 
gear like waving a magic wand. Yes, responsible network operators will 
replace a lot of it with CBRS equipment or something else, but it’s 
not just going to turn into pumpkins at midnight because the FCC 
wishes it. We have some grandfathered backhauls with AF3x and even 
some Rockets and Powerbridges, those won’t be going CBRS, probably 11 
GHz where possible.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2019 8:54 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

Sas is suppposed to eliminate the rogue ubnt gear. Im assuming there 
is recourse if there is an illegal operator, but as far as i know, 
that path is not clearly defined


On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 8:43 AM Paul McCall > wrote:


Great feedback everyone.  Kinda what I figured though.  No special
sauce added on the MU-Mimo part of the 450 APs that overcome tree
penetration issues.  We have had good luck with the 320s for the
most part, but they are only ¾ baked as a system , and far from
being future proof, capacity wise.

The 3.65 band  in general makes they choice a bit tentative. 
Meaning  you can spend a bunch of money on LTE gear and have a $
150 UBNT device start interfering with you, with little recourse. 
Ouch.  No 2.5ghz band available in my area.

And, In Florida our ROI sheet has to account for more equipment
damage that most, so its not an easy call.

Paul

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:36 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

We are at decision time on what to do with the 320/ubnt 3ghz, same
boat on decisions. LTE is a brand new horse to us, but the
historic issues of interference frighten my more than walking in
on my wife with another man when she should be doing laundry, I
need clean work shirts. We had done some base testing with
baicells and we considering the trigger pull, but we have the 450
out, and its performed as well or better than expected, this is
not i or m but it was considered, by us to be a drop in
replacement for the wimax, and ePMP to pick up the LOS UBNT junk.

Ive been trying to find out what SAS is actually doing real world,
but I dont know that the trial operators are allowed to speak of
it without ending up in a lake with concrete shoes. If SAS solves
all the worlds woes regarding interference, its a cost no brainer
to deploy the crap out of baicells, take the range hit, and fill
the gaps with microcells where required.

but, 450, being the horse it is, works, and works well, even in
the interference we have. Its drop in for us on the wimax because
we were very careful on EIRP to not push our luck. we may take a
1x hit here and there, but offloading the LOS customers to EPMP
will make up for that. May still require the occasional non
standard solution for the customers that just dont work on
anything other than the wimax, solely because it connected at such
a crummy level. We should have addressed them historically anyway
though.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Probably not applicable to PMP320, but with the Purewave
basestations, I’m convinced many operators were setting them
to max xmt power ignoring FCC limits on EIRP.  That of course
didn’t help upstream, and the CPE was fairly anemic.  But
downstream, I think that was part of the “magic”.

I think with CBRS there is the potential of increased EIRP
over what we are allowed under Part 90.  Given the huge power
consumption of the 3.6 GHz PMP450m, I have to suspect it has
the power amps to take advantage of higher EIRP, not sure

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

[Ken Hohhof]

Not really SAS per se,  but the fact that at some date, legacy Part 90 
equipment that can’t be certified under Part 96 is supposed to be 
decommissioned.  That means WiMAX stuff like PMP320 as well as Ubiquiti M 
series and AF3x.

 

I think it’s a bit naïve though to assume this will “eliminate” that gear like 
waving a magic wand.  Yes, responsible network operators will replace a lot of 
it with CBRS equipment or something else, but it’s not just going to turn into 
pumpkins at midnight because the FCC wishes it.  We have some grandfathered 
backhauls with AF3x and even some Rockets and Powerbridges, those won’t be 
going CBRS, probably 11 GHz where possible.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 8:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

 

Sas is suppposed to eliminate the rogue ubnt gear. Im assuming there is 
recourse if there is an illegal operator, but as far as i know, that path is 
not clearly defined

 

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 8:43 AM Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net> > wrote:

Great feedback everyone.  Kinda what I figured though.  No special sauce added 
on the MU-Mimo part of the 450 APs that overcome tree penetration issues.  We 
have had good luck with the 320s for the most part, but they are only ¾ baked 
as a system , and far from being future proof, capacity wise.

 

The 3.65 band  in general makes they choice a bit tentative.  Meaning  you can 
spend a bunch of money on LTE gear and have a $ 150 UBNT device start 
interfering with you, with little recourse.  Ouch.  No 2.5ghz band available in 
my area.

 

And, In Florida our ROI sheet has to account for more equipment damage that 
most, so its not an easy call.

 

Paul

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

 

We are at decision time on what to do with the 320/ubnt 3ghz, same boat on 
decisions. LTE is a brand new horse to us, but the historic issues of 
interference frighten my more than walking in on my wife with another man when 
she should be doing laundry, I need clean work shirts. We had done some base 
testing with baicells and we considering the trigger pull, but we have the 450 
out, and its performed as well or better than expected, this is not i or m but 
it was considered, by us to be a drop in replacement for the wimax, and ePMP to 
pick up the LOS UBNT junk. 

Ive been trying to find out what SAS is actually doing real world, but I dont 
know that the trial operators are allowed to speak of it without ending up in a 
lake with concrete shoes. If SAS solves all the worlds woes regarding 
interference, its a cost no brainer to deploy the crap out of baicells, take 
the range hit, and fill the gaps with microcells where required. 

but, 450, being the horse it is, works, and works well, even in the 
interference we have. Its drop in for us on the wimax because we were very 
careful on EIRP to not push our luck. we may take a 1x hit here and there, but 
offloading the LOS customers to EPMP will make up for that. May still require 
the occasional non standard solution for the customers that just dont work on 
anything other than the wimax, solely because it connected at such a crummy 
level. We should have addressed them historically anyway though.

 

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Probably not applicable to PMP320, but with the Purewave basestations, I’m 
convinced many operators were setting them to max xmt power ignoring FCC limits 
on EIRP.  That of course didn’t help upstream, and the CPE was fairly anemic.  
But downstream, I think that was part of the “magic”.

 

I think with CBRS there is the potential of increased EIRP over what we are 
allowed under Part 90.  Given the huge power consumption of the 3.6 GHz 
PMP450m, I have to suspect it has the power amps to take advantage of higher 
EIRP, not sure about the regular 450 AP.  If I remember correctly though, it 
doesn’t have as many antenna beams as the 5 GHz 450m.  And given the size, 
weight and power consumption, we have sites I doubt we could deploy 4 sectors.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

 

I agree on the PMP320's impressive tree penetration. We moved some sites from 
PMP320 to PMP450... with the added gain of the PMP450 reflector dish (8+11dBi 
vs the PMP320's 14dBi) I expected it to make up for the PMP450's lower transmit 
power, and as a result have "similar" final signal levels. In the end, some 
customers heavily in trees "lost" up to 10dB of signal and required moving 
their mounts etc. So the WiMAX / flat-panel-in-NLOS magic seems to have been 

Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

[Chuck McCown]

They tried to do the CLEC type of thing with power years ago.  Maybe just in 
California.  Was a disaster.


-Original Message- 
From: John Osmon

Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 04:12:25PM -0400, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale
electric company?


At scale, that's effectively what a data center becomes...

Never thought about it on bigger scale.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT - for aficionados of old time audio gear

[Jaime Solorza]

I used a Mutron Bi-Phaser fed by treble signal from my Rickenbacker 4001
bass. Used a Furman Sound PreAmp with parametric EQ with crossover powered
by 600 and 1200 watts Bi-amps ...highs went to Kustom cabinet with dual 10s
and horn, lows went into Acoustic Black Widow box..15" and horn. played Yes
and Rush stuff...no gigsgot into funk...college circuit kept us busy
1977-80.  It's all a fog now

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 2:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> This story about Jamaican dub music mentions equipment from the 60’s like
> the Fisher Spacexpander, Roland Space-Echo and Maestro Echoplex.  Also some
> photos of gigantic speaker setups (bass is apparently an essential part of
> dub music.)  I am not a musician, but some here are, as well as some who
> just like old electronics stuff.  Closest thing I was aware of was
> recording studios that used speakers and microphones in a basement or attic
> as an echo chamber.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.vox.com/2019/8/20/20811907/sicko-mode-weirdest-moments-jamaican-dub
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - for aficionados of old time audio gear

[Jaime Solorza]

Our saxophonist and keyboardist used the Maestro... mostly on Rare Earth
songs...it had awesome sounds...

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 2:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> This story about Jamaican dub music mentions equipment from the 60’s like
> the Fisher Spacexpander, Roland Space-Echo and Maestro Echoplex.  Also some
> photos of gigantic speaker setups (bass is apparently an essential part of
> dub music.)  I am not a musician, but some here are, as well as some who
> just like old electronics stuff.  Closest thing I was aware of was
> recording studios that used speakers and microphones in a basement or attic
> as an echo chamber.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.vox.com/2019/8/20/20811907/sicko-mode-weirdest-moments-jamaican-dub
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

[Steve Jones]

Sas is suppposed to eliminate the rogue ubnt gear. Im assuming there is
recourse if there is an illegal operator, but as far as i know, that path
is not clearly defined

On Wed, Aug 21, 2019, 8:43 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

> Great feedback everyone.  Kinda what I figured though.  No special sauce
> added on the MU-Mimo part of the 450 APs that overcome tree penetration
> issues.  We have had good luck with the 320s for the most part, but they
> are only ¾ baked as a system , and far from being future proof, capacity
> wise.
>
>
>
> The 3.65 band  in general makes they choice a bit tentative.  Meaning  you
> can spend a bunch of money on LTE gear and have a $ 150 UBNT device start
> interfering with you, with little recourse.  Ouch.  No 2.5ghz band
> available in my area.
>
>
>
> And, In Florida our ROI sheet has to account for more equipment damage
> that most, so its not an easy call.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65
>
>
>
> We are at decision time on what to do with the 320/ubnt 3ghz, same boat on
> decisions. LTE is a brand new horse to us, but the historic issues of
> interference frighten my more than walking in on my wife with another man
> when she should be doing laundry, I need clean work shirts. We had done
> some base testing with baicells and we considering the trigger pull, but we
> have the 450 out, and its performed as well or better than expected, this
> is not i or m but it was considered, by us to be a drop in replacement for
> the wimax, and ePMP to pick up the LOS UBNT junk.
>
> Ive been trying to find out what SAS is actually doing real world, but I
> dont know that the trial operators are allowed to speak of it without
> ending up in a lake with concrete shoes. If SAS solves all the worlds woes
> regarding interference, its a cost no brainer to deploy the crap out of
> baicells, take the range hit, and fill the gaps with microcells where
> required.
>
> but, 450, being the horse it is, works, and works well, even in the
> interference we have. Its drop in for us on the wimax because we were very
> careful on EIRP to not push our luck. we may take a 1x hit here and there,
> but offloading the LOS customers to EPMP will make up for that. May still
> require the occasional non standard solution for the customers that just
> dont work on anything other than the wimax, solely because it connected at
> such a crummy level. We should have addressed them historically anyway
> though.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Probably not applicable to PMP320, but with the Purewave basestations, I’m
> convinced many operators were setting them to max xmt power ignoring FCC
> limits on EIRP.  That of course didn’t help upstream, and the CPE was
> fairly anemic.  But downstream, I think that was part of the “magic”.
>
>
>
> I think with CBRS there is the potential of increased EIRP over what we
> are allowed under Part 90.  Given the huge power consumption of the 3.6 GHz
> PMP450m, I have to suspect it has the power amps to take advantage of
> higher EIRP, not sure about the regular 450 AP.  If I remember correctly
> though, it doesn’t have as many antenna beams as the 5 GHz 450m.  And given
> the size, weight and power consumption, we have sites I doubt we could
> deploy 4 sectors.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:50 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65
>
>
>
> I agree on the PMP320's impressive tree penetration. We moved some sites
> from PMP320 to PMP450... with the added gain of the PMP450 reflector dish
> (8+11dBi vs the PMP320's 14dBi) I expected it to make up for the PMP450's
> lower transmit power, and as a result have "similar" final signal levels.
> In the end, some customers heavily in trees "lost" up to 10dB of signal and
> required moving their mounts etc. So the WiMAX / flat-panel-in-NLOS magic
> seems to have been adding around 10dB.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:58 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> Quite the opposite for us.  PMP320 could burn through trees!
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 8:30 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> WiMAX had little to no magical power against trees when we deployed it.
> Trees apparently are hype resistant.  YMMV.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:22 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65
>
>
>
> We were told recently by Cambium that their Medusa product in 3.65
> competes favorable with LTE competitors.  We ONLY need it for tree
> penetration challenged customers.
>
>
>
> I have a healthy skepticism on 3.65 Medusa being able to magically work
> better that standard 2.4 Ghz penetration, seeing the regular 450SM in 3.65
> performed as expected compared to a 2.4 Ghz 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

[Paul McCall]

From who Gino?   Been at least a year since we looked… was costly, and reviews 
from others not so hot

Paul

From: AF  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 10:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

Have you looked into TVWS ?


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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Paul McCall mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 6:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

We were told recently by Cambium that their Medusa product in 3.65 competes 
favorable with LTE competitors.  We ONLY need it for tree penetration 
challenged customers.

I have a healthy skepticism on 3.65 Medusa being able to magically work better 
that standard 2.4 Ghz penetration, seeing the regular 450SM in 3.65 performed 
as expected compared to a 2.4 Ghz 450SM, meaning not as well.  Seeing that LTE 
or Wimax far exceeds normal 2.4 Ghz gear, expecting 3.65 in 450 series (even 
Medusa) is a strong leap of faith.

We are open minded but skeptical of these recent claims.  We are not happy with 
the LTE options available ATM, having field tested Baicells and Bliniq for a 
while now.

Paul


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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

[Paul McCall]

Great feedback everyone.  Kinda what I figured though.  No special sauce added 
on the MU-Mimo part of the 450 APs that overcome tree penetration issues.  We 
have had good luck with the 320s for the most part, but they are only ¾ baked 
as a system , and far from being future proof, capacity wise.

The 3.65 band  in general makes they choice a bit tentative.  Meaning  you can 
spend a bunch of money on LTE gear and have a $ 150 UBNT device start 
interfering with you, with little recourse.  Ouch.  No 2.5ghz band available in 
my area.

And, In Florida our ROI sheet has to account for more equipment damage that 
most, so its not an easy call.

Paul


From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 11:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

We are at decision time on what to do with the 320/ubnt 3ghz, same boat on 
decisions. LTE is a brand new horse to us, but the historic issues of 
interference frighten my more than walking in on my wife with another man when 
she should be doing laundry, I need clean work shirts. We had done some base 
testing with baicells and we considering the trigger pull, but we have the 450 
out, and its performed as well or better than expected, this is not i or m but 
it was considered, by us to be a drop in replacement for the wimax, and ePMP to 
pick up the LOS UBNT junk.
Ive been trying to find out what SAS is actually doing real world, but I dont 
know that the trial operators are allowed to speak of it without ending up in a 
lake with concrete shoes. If SAS solves all the worlds woes regarding 
interference, its a cost no brainer to deploy the crap out of baicells, take 
the range hit, and fill the gaps with microcells where required.
but, 450, being the horse it is, works, and works well, even in the 
interference we have. Its drop in for us on the wimax because we were very 
careful on EIRP to not push our luck. we may take a 1x hit here and there, but 
offloading the LOS customers to EPMP will make up for that. May still require 
the occasional non standard solution for the customers that just dont work on 
anything other than the wimax, solely because it connected at such a crummy 
level. We should have addressed them historically anyway though.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:17 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Probably not applicable to PMP320, but with the Purewave basestations, I’m 
convinced many operators were setting them to max xmt power ignoring FCC limits 
on EIRP.  That of course didn’t help upstream, and the CPE was fairly anemic.  
But downstream, I think that was part of the “magic”.

I think with CBRS there is the potential of increased EIRP over what we are 
allowed under Part 90.  Given the huge power consumption of the 3.6 GHz 
PMP450m, I have to suspect it has the power amps to take advantage of higher 
EIRP, not sure about the regular 450 AP.  If I remember correctly though, it 
doesn’t have as many antenna beams as the 5 GHz 450m.  And given the size, 
weight and power consumption, we have sites I doubt we could deploy 4 sectors.


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

I agree on the PMP320's impressive tree penetration. We moved some sites from 
PMP320 to PMP450... with the added gain of the PMP450 reflector dish (8+11dBi 
vs the PMP320's 14dBi) I expected it to make up for the PMP450's lower transmit 
power, and as a result have "similar" final signal levels. In the end, some 
customers heavily in trees "lost" up to 10dB of signal and required moving 
their mounts etc. So the WiMAX / flat-panel-in-NLOS magic seems to have been 
adding around 10dB.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:58 AM Josh Baird 
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Quite the opposite for us.  PMP320 could burn through trees!

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 8:30 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
WiMAX had little to no magical power against trees when we deployed it.  Trees 
apparently are hype resistant.  YMMV.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Paul McCall
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Medusa in 3.65

We were told recently by Cambium that their Medusa product in 3.65 competes 
favorable with LTE competitors.  We ONLY need it for tree penetration 
challenged customers.

I have a healthy skepticism on 3.65 Medusa being able to magically work better 
that standard 2.4 Ghz penetration, seeing the regular 450SM in 3.65 performed 
as expected compared to a 2.4 Ghz 450SM, meaning not as well.  Seeing that LTE 
or Wimax far exceeds normal 2.4 Ghz gear, expecting 3.65 in 450 series (even 
Medusa) is a strong leap of faith.

We are open minded but skeptical of these recent claims.  We are not happy with 
the LTE options 

Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)

[Harold Bledsoe]

I use arlo cameras and they have multi-camera plans:
https://www.arlo.com/en-us/landing/arlosmart/default.aspx

I'm on the $10/mo for up to 10 cameras.  They don't stream 24/7 but rather
just upload motion detected events and you can view live of course.

On the local viewing, some of this depends on how the local network is
setup.  The app needs to be able to detect that the cameras are local and
then make a local connection instead of streaming through the internet.
There's a few different ways to do this and a longer discussion on
pros/cons of doing it.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 6:52 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> The individual WiFi cameras streaming to the cloud just isn’t a scalable
> solution.  The cloud service charges per month per camera, and if you have
> a bunch of 4 MP cameras all streaming to the cloud, the upstream data rate
> is unreasonable for most people unless they have fiber or cable Internet,
> even so, they may not have enough upstream because of the asymmetrical
> bandwidth plans.  Add the fact that all the outdoor cameras are probably at
> something like a -89 WiFi signal and are impacting everything else on the
> WiFi.  Of course an NVR doesn’t fix the WiFi issue, and most people are not
> going to view running a bunch of Cat5 cables as a fun weekend project.
> Although before everything went to cloud, app, and Internet based, I knew
> people who would run coax everywhere for analog cameras for the system they
> bought for $200 at Costco.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Daniel White
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2019 5:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
>
>
>
> Problem with NVR's though is if it is a burglary... you can easily walk
> away with the evidence.  If the video is in the cloud... you have it up
> till they destroy the camera or internet connection.
>
>
>
> [image: photograph]
>
>
> *Daniel White*Co-Founder - Business Development & Operations
>
> *phone:* +1 (702) 470-2766
> *direct:* +1 (702) 470-2770
>
> Ken Hohhof wrote on 8/20/19 16:39:
>
> Good point about the NVR.  Having one camera stream directly to the cloud may 
> sound like a good idea, but what happens when you start adding cameras, 
> inside and outside  the house.  An NVR gives you local storage and viewing 
> for all the cameras, but still allows notifications and remote viewing.  I 
> guess the privacy aspect of having all your security cam video "up in the 
> cloud" somewhere won't bother people if they're already OK with Alexa and 
> Facebook and Google snooping on them.
>
>
>
> It used to be people would buy an NVR system with 4-8 analog cameras and an 
> Internet connection on the NVR, now I see the kits are coming with digital 
> cameras, some are WiFi, some are POE.  But getting people to run Cat5 cable 
> is so difficult these days, unless they have the electricians wire 
> the house for data while it's being built.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: AF   On Behalf Of 
> Andrew Haninger
>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 4:32 PM
>
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] home security cams (Nest, Ring, etc.)
>
>
>
> Here's a good thread that recently came up on /.
>
> https://ask.slashdot.org/story/19/08/02/2129207/ask-slashdot-budget-friendly-webcam-without-a-cloud-service
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 5:28 PM Ken Hohhof  
>  wrote:
>
> Security cameras seem to be all the rage.  Many WiFi issues, but also I’m 
> tired of seeing them stream up to the cloud and then back down to the 
> customer’s phone when he’s sitting in his living room.  I understand when 
> they are away, they want to be alerted and shown a video of the UPS guy’s 
> butt walking away from the house.  But it seems very wasteful of bandwidth 
> when the customer is at home, for the data to go 
> house-Internet-cloud-Internet-house.  Or might go over cellular to the phone.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Aside from the wasted bandwidth, there is a lot more to go wrong than if 
> everything stayed on their LAN.  Less complaining about missed alerts, delay, 
> black screens, etc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Does anybody know of a system sold in big box stores that can easily be set 
> up to keep the video local, but still go over the Internet when the customer 
> is away from home?  Or has everything become so cloud and Internet centric 
> that you can’t watch a camera 20 feet away without going to the cloud and 
> back?
>
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