[AFMUG] Watch "Rescue from fall arrest lanyards. Access Techniques Ltd" on YouTube

[Jaime Solorza]

https://youtu.be/VbFfJAo6sr0
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Re: [AFMUG] This list

[Steve Jones]

Wow, it was 4 years ago. Time flies when you're having fun

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 6:56 PM Robert  wrote:

> I wish we could extend AFMUG Lent to the world...   At least one day a
> week, even one day a month would make my world happier...
>
> On 4/10/20 4:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Quite a few people have joined this list lately.  Not sure why the
> uptick.  So I figured I would explain something.
>
> 4 years ago, we just about melted down over politics.  We agreed to
> suspend all political comments, commentary and argument during Lent.  Then
> we decided to extend Lent indefinitely.
>
> So, if we reference breaking Lent, that is what it is all about.
>
> Much nicer place to hang out during Lent.
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Re: [AFMUG] This list

[Robert]

I wish we could extend AFMUG Lent to the world...   At least one day a 
week, even one day a month would make my world happier...


On 4/10/20 4:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Quite a few people have joined this list lately.  Not sure why the 
uptick.  So I figured I would explain something.
4 years ago, we just about melted down over politics.  We agreed to 
suspend all political comments, commentary and argument during Lent.  
Then we decided to extend Lent indefinitely.

So, if we reference breaking Lent, that is what it is all about.
Much nicer place to hang out during Lent.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT...round enchiladas

[Robert]

We are doing burgers over briquets for the first time in about 5 years 
since getting our Traeger grill, really looking forward to some char 
again...


On 4/10/20 2:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

That is just cruel at this time of day...
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 3:07 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT...round enchiladas
Lightly fried tortillas, red Chile sauce, white muenster cheese, white 
onion...

Bubbly and a jalapeno
Provecho


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Re: [AFMUG] IF this guy has it right, you might have your head explode, I just did..

[Robert]

Yes, and sad at the same time...

On 4/10/20 12:18 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

That's a very encouraging article actually.


On 4/10/2020 2:43 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Numbers guys can get fooled like the rest of us, but can be more 
detached too



https://medium.com/@ali_razavian/covid-19-from-a-data-scientists-perspective-95bd4e84843b 








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[chuck]

Quite a few people have joined this list lately.  Not sure why the uptick.  So 
I figured I would explain something.

4 years ago, we just about melted down over politics.  We agreed to suspend all 
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Re: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

[chuck]

As long as you are ok with a couple of those stickers covering screw heads 
getting a bit messed up...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 4:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

youll definitely need to sign the paper

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 5:23 PM  wrote:

  I might have to use a screwdriver to tweak its internals a bit...

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 3:55 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

  After the boss gave the funding OK the two things I really looked for after 
reading and asking for reviews was speed of the result while hands free and 
likelihood of sending it with a tech and it coming back in one piece. 

  The guy that lent me his  brought it over, we set and ap up on our tower leg 
to test. Easy to set up on the ground. Like any adjunct tool, it may be a 
little more tricky hanging on a tower, but by design it's small steps, attach 
mount, then attach tool, so not bulky steps.
  It does take some seconds to get a solution, but that's expected if you're 
looking for accuracy. 
  The app is really slick, you will want a magnet mount for your phone if you 
use it. The display on the unit is analog LCD so you dont have to deal with 
silly glare nonsense of a full display. 
  Output is super responsive, no turn and wait.

  I made the guy let me fill out a damage replacement contract to let me borrow 
it since I fully intended to hand it to a tower monkey and see if they broke it.

  When the techs went to the site to test it out (aligned one new AP and 
verified my other 4 were way off on az/el) they fell in love with it. No more 
digital levels and printed GE maps with lines and eyeballing things.

  Tech already had his templates loaded in the app and sent me the reports 
right from there.

  Setup/tear down of the unit were problem free, and other than some grain 
dust, it came back without a scratch.

  You definitely need to find someone who will let you put your hands on one. 
The one we borrowed was 3 years old and the battery was still problem free. 
Enclosed battery was a concern for me, but I'm betting a quality battery is 
part of that hefty pricetag.

  On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 4:34 PM  wrote:

If you buy one, like to borrow it for a week or so... 

From: Tushar Patel 
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 4:41 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

Time has come for us to get a little more accuracy on our sector antennas.



Any input on the following product?



http://www.multiwavesensors.com/antenna-alignment/





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Re: [AFMUG] OT...new toy

[Jaime Solorza]

Worked through window to porch area but when my wife came out to water her
plants and was right in front of receiver ...video broke up a bit ..more
testing tomorrow...going to read manual.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 3:43 PM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> My wireless ones work pretty well but need to be power cycled pretty
> often. I have some that work over Cat6
> that work great.
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 8:20 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Not sure i can do that but of course I have haven't read the instructions
>> yet.. that's kind of low brow..oh well
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 6:01 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> You should try a more narrow channel, and switch to 2.4 GHz. 5 GHz has
>>> no penetrating power; especially with a wide channel.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/9/2020 4:52 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> Uses 40 MHz channel at 5805 MHz...I can track with my WiFi Analyser on
>>> my Motorola phone.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:08 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Very interested in the outcome.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:
 >
 > 
 > Let's see how well it works
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Re: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

[Steve Jones]

youll definitely need to sign the paper

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 5:23 PM  wrote:

> I might have to use a screwdriver to tweak its internals a bit...
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 3:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?
>
> After the boss gave the funding OK the two things I really looked for
> after reading and asking for reviews was speed of the result while hands
> free and likelihood of sending it with a tech and it coming back in one
> piece.
>
> The guy that lent me his  brought it over, we set and ap up on our tower
> leg to test. Easy to set up on the ground. Like any adjunct tool, it may be
> a little more tricky hanging on a tower, but by design it's small steps,
> attach mount, then attach tool, so not bulky steps.
> It does take some seconds to get a solution, but that's expected if you're
> looking for accuracy.
> The app is really slick, you will want a magnet mount for your phone if
> you use it. The display on the unit is analog LCD so you dont have to deal
> with silly glare nonsense of a full display.
> Output is super responsive, no turn and wait.
>
> I made the guy let me fill out a damage replacement contract to let me
> borrow it since I fully intended to hand it to a tower monkey and see if
> they broke it.
>
> When the techs went to the site to test it out (aligned one new AP and
> verified my other 4 were way off on az/el) they fell in love with it. No
> more digital levels and printed GE maps with lines and eyeballing things.
>
> Tech already had his templates loaded in the app and sent me the reports
> right from there.
>
> Setup/tear down of the unit were problem free, and other than some grain
> dust, it came back without a scratch.
>
> You definitely need to find someone who will let you put your hands on
> one. The one we borrowed was 3 years old and the battery was still problem
> free. Enclosed battery was a concern for me, but I'm betting a quality
> battery is part of that hefty pricetag.
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 4:34 PM  wrote:
>
>> If you buy one, like to borrow it for a week or so... [image: Winking
>> smile]
>>
>> *From:* Tushar Patel
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 7, 2020 4:41 PM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?
>>
>>
>> Time has come for us to get a little more accuracy on our sector antennas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any input on the following product?
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.multiwavesensors.com/antenna-alignment/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tushar
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Re: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

[chuck]

I might have to use a screwdriver to tweak its internals a bit...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 3:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

After the boss gave the funding OK the two things I really looked for after 
reading and asking for reviews was speed of the result while hands free and 
likelihood of sending it with a tech and it coming back in one piece. 

The guy that lent me his  brought it over, we set and ap up on our tower leg to 
test. Easy to set up on the ground. Like any adjunct tool, it may be a little 
more tricky hanging on a tower, but by design it's small steps, attach mount, 
then attach tool, so not bulky steps.
It does take some seconds to get a solution, but that's expected if you're 
looking for accuracy. 
The app is really slick, you will want a magnet mount for your phone if you use 
it. The display on the unit is analog LCD so you dont have to deal with silly 
glare nonsense of a full display. 
Output is super responsive, no turn and wait.

I made the guy let me fill out a damage replacement contract to let me borrow 
it since I fully intended to hand it to a tower monkey and see if they broke it.

When the techs went to the site to test it out (aligned one new AP and verified 
my other 4 were way off on az/el) they fell in love with it. No more digital 
levels and printed GE maps with lines and eyeballing things.

Tech already had his templates loaded in the app and sent me the reports right 
from there.

Setup/tear down of the unit were problem free, and other than some grain dust, 
it came back without a scratch.

You definitely need to find someone who will let you put your hands on one. The 
one we borrowed was 3 years old and the battery was still problem free. 
Enclosed battery was a concern for me, but I'm betting a quality battery is 
part of that hefty pricetag.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 4:34 PM  wrote:

  If you buy one, like to borrow it for a week or so... 

  From: Tushar Patel 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 4:41 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

  Time has come for us to get a little more accuracy on our sector antennas.



  Any input on the following product?



  http://www.multiwavesensors.com/antenna-alignment/





  Tushar



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Re: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

[Steve Jones]

After the boss gave the funding OK the two things I really looked for after
reading and asking for reviews was speed of the result while hands free and
likelihood of sending it with a tech and it coming back in one piece.

The guy that lent me his  brought it over, we set and ap up on our tower
leg to test. Easy to set up on the ground. Like any adjunct tool, it may be
a little more tricky hanging on a tower, but by design it's small steps,
attach mount, then attach tool, so not bulky steps.
It does take some seconds to get a solution, but that's expected if you're
looking for accuracy.
The app is really slick, you will want a magnet mount for your phone if you
use it. The display on the unit is analog LCD so you dont have to deal with
silly glare nonsense of a full display.
Output is super responsive, no turn and wait.

I made the guy let me fill out a damage replacement contract to let me
borrow it since I fully intended to hand it to a tower monkey and see if
they broke it.

When the techs went to the site to test it out (aligned one new AP and
verified my other 4 were way off on az/el) they fell in love with it. No
more digital levels and printed GE maps with lines and eyeballing things.

Tech already had his templates loaded in the app and sent me the reports
right from there.

Setup/tear down of the unit were problem free, and other than some grain
dust, it came back without a scratch.

You definitely need to find someone who will let you put your hands on one.
The one we borrowed was 3 years old and the battery was still problem free.
Enclosed battery was a concern for me, but I'm betting a quality battery is
part of that hefty pricetag.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 4:34 PM  wrote:

> If you buy one, like to borrow it for a week or so... [image: Winking
> smile]
>
> *From:* Tushar Patel
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 7, 2020 4:41 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?
>
>
> Time has come for us to get a little more accuracy on our sector antennas.
>
>
>
> Any input on the following product?
>
>
>
> http://www.multiwavesensors.com/antenna-alignment/
>
>
>
>
>
> Tushar
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...new toy

[can...@believewireless.net]

My wireless ones work pretty well but need to be power cycled pretty often.
I have some that work over Cat6
that work great.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 8:20 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Not sure i can do that but of course I have haven't read the instructions
> yet.. that's kind of low brow..oh well
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 6:01 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> You should try a more narrow channel, and switch to 2.4 GHz. 5 GHz has no
>> penetrating power; especially with a wide channel.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/9/2020 4:52 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Uses 40 MHz channel at 5805 MHz...I can track with my WiFi Analyser on my
>> Motorola phone.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:08 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Very interested in the outcome.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> > Let's see how well it works
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Re: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

[chuck]

If you buy one, like to borrow it for a week or so... 

From: Tushar Patel 
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 4:41 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] Smart Antenna Alignment review?

Time has come for us to get a little more accuracy on our sector antennas.

 

Any input on the following product?

 

http://www.multiwavesensors.com/antenna-alignment/

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
No turkey teeth or claws either.

bp



On 4/10/2020 1:28 PM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:


  
  When they say Louis Rich turkey slices are made
from a 100% turkey...it's true...they use 100% of the turkey
except the feathers.  
  
  
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 9:53 AM
  Steve Jones 
  wrote:


  heh...fingered
  
  
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at
  10:39 AM Bill Prince 
  wrote:


  
Yup. Crisco is almost fully hydrogenated vegetable
  oil(s). The process of hydrogenating is what makes it
  thick. This is as opposed to "partially hydrogenated"
  oils, which create trans fats. Trans fats have been
  fingered as the bad guys in the cholesterol world.

bp



On 4/9/2020 8:29 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:


  Yes.
  Pig fat is lard.  Bacon grease is pig fat, but salt
and smoke flavored.  I have, in fact, made biscuits
with bacon grease.  They taste freakin awesome.  If
you do car camping you cook your bacon first, the
use some of the oil for biscuits, and then for
frying your flapjacks and eggs and hash.  Then
hopefully you hike 20 miles to burn all that off. 
Or you sit and drink beer all day and get fat,
there's more than one style of camping and I'm not
here to judge.
  
  Crisco shortening is made from vegetable oil.  I'm
not sure how they make it into a solid at room
temperature.  I seem to think that's what
"hydrogenating" does, but I'm fuzzy on that.  In any
case it's a cheaper substitute for animal fat in
cooking.  Lard is the OG cooking oil.  
  
  
  
  On 4/9/2020 11:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  
  

  I think lard is basically
fat.  To my mom, shortening was Crisco.  To my
grandmother, shortening was lard.  If I remember
right, lard is pig fat, tallow is beef fat.
   
  But bacon grease should be
fine.  In fact, as pig fat, bacon grease IS
lard.  Your biscuits might taste like bacon, but
what’s wrong with that?
   
   
  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean &
Cheese Burrito Filling?
   
  
Is shortening lard?

   


  Can bacon. Grease be
substituted

  
   
  

  On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 8:59
PM Ken Hohhof 
wrote:


  

  I noticed the
shortening in the Jiffy apple cinnamon
mix I made with dinner is lard.  Use by
date was 3 months ago.  I was a bit
reticent given the lard, but they tasted
fine.
   
  How many vegetarians
think lard comes from plants?  I don’t
know, with all the plant meat and plant
milk, maybe they’ll come out with plant
lard.
   
   
  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020
8:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT pulse sending

[Jaime Solorza]

Will post tomorrow's work

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 11:25 AM  wrote:

> Bill, this is what is inside your water well sounding device.  Just a
> speaker.
> And the acoustic waveform it sends looks like this.
> Along with the waveform I created last week and launched with a much
> larger
> speaker.
>
> So, my method is identical to the well sounder, just much stronger
> impulse.
> Now I gotta go monitor the output of their mic amp and see what that looks
> like.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT pulse sending

[Jaime Solorza]

Top

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 3:08 PM  wrote:

> Is this at the base of the tank?  Reading pressure?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 2:50 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT pulse sending
>
> Stuff I am installing tomorrow
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 1:29 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I am installing something similar tomorrow in a water tank for Tornillo
>> water company.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 11:25 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Bill, this is what is inside your water well sounding device.  Just a
>>> speaker.
>>> And the acoustic waveform it sends looks like this.
>>> Along with the waveform I created last week and launched with a much
>>> larger
>>> speaker.
>>>
>>> So, my method is identical to the well sounder, just much stronger
>>> impulse.
>>> Now I gotta go monitor the output of their mic amp and see what that
>>> looks
>>> like.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT...round enchiladas

[chuck]

That is just cruel at this time of day...

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 3:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT...round enchiladas

Lightly fried tortillas, red Chile sauce, white muenster cheese, white onion... 
Bubbly and a jalapeno
Provecho



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[AFMUG] OT...round enchiladas

[Jaime Solorza]

Lightly fried tortillas, red Chile sauce, white muenster cheese, white
onion...
Bubbly and a jalapeno
Provecho
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Re: [AFMUG] OT pulse sending

[chuck]

Is this at the base of the tank?  Reading pressure?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 2:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT pulse sending

Stuff I am installing tomorrow

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 1:29 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  I am installing something similar tomorrow in a water tank for Tornillo water 
company.

  On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 11:25 AM  wrote:

Bill, this is what is inside your water well sounding device.  Just a 
speaker.
And the acoustic waveform it sends looks like this.
Along with the waveform I created last week and launched with a much larger 
speaker.

So, my method is identical to the well sounder, just much stronger impulse. 
Now I gotta go monitor the output of their mic amp and see what that looks 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

[chuck]

I gave up yard work for Lent.

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 2:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

Well, technically, yes, lent is over, but since today and tomorrow are still 
penitential days, it effectively doesn't end until Easter (and you do have to 
count until Sunday to get a full 40 days). 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 1:12 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  Last evening and now we are in Triduum...Good Friday is only day Mass is Not 
celebrated by Catholics and Episcopalians. Peace 

  On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 11:18 AM  wrote:

Interesting, I always thought Lent ended on Easter.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 11:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

I am staying out of this...it's Good Friday and I am trying, really trying 
to just share good thoughts...btw, Lent in the Catholic calendar was over 
yesterday...peace

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 9:56 AM  wrote:

  Well in Utah, we don’t have any limits to testing supplies.  We have 
alternate... sources for things like that.  So everyone that is even suspect 
gets tested.  100% of dead folks are tested.  And our curve matches this one.  

  From: Robert 
  Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 8:44 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

  Umm, liars, damn liars and staticians?   How about instead it's the limit 
of testing supplies?  GIGO...


  On 4/10/20 6:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:



Sure looks like a flattening to me.  

 




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

[Mathew Howard]

Well, technically, yes, lent is over, but since today and tomorrow are
still penitential days, it effectively doesn't end until Easter (and you do
have to count until Sunday to get a full 40 days).

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 1:12 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Last evening and now we are in Triduum...Good Friday is only day Mass is
> Not celebrated by Catholics and Episcopalians. Peace
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 11:18 AM  wrote:
>
>> Interesting, I always thought Lent ended on Easter.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 11:14 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth
>>
>> I am staying out of this...it's Good Friday and I am trying, really
>> trying to just share good thoughts...btw, Lent in the Catholic calendar was
>> over yesterday...peace
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 9:56 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Well in Utah, we don’t have any limits to testing supplies.  We have
>>> alternate... sources for things like that.  So everyone that is even
>>> suspect gets tested.  100% of dead folks are tested.  And our curve matches
>>> this one.
>>>
>>> *From:* Robert
>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 8:44 AM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth
>>>
>>> Umm, liars, damn liars and staticians?   How about instead it's the
>>> limit of testing supplies?  GIGO...
>>>
>>> On 4/10/20 6:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>
>>> [image: image]
>>>
>>> Sure looks like a flattening to me.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Jaime Solorza]

My wife said that if really want great Mexican style refried beans to use
little bit of lard instead of processed oil...she is making flat enchiladas
in a bit. I will share some pics.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 2:28 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> When they say Louis Rich turkey slices are made from a 100% turkey...it's
> true...they use 100% of the turkey except the feathers.
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 9:53 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> heh...fingered
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:39 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Yup. Crisco is almost fully hydrogenated vegetable oil(s). The process
>>> of hydrogenating is what makes it thick. This is as opposed to "partially
>>> hydrogenated" oils, which create trans fats. Trans fats have been fingered
>>> as the bad guys in the cholesterol world.
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/9/2020 8:29 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> Pig fat is lard.  Bacon grease is pig fat, but salt and smoke flavored.
>>> I have, in fact, made biscuits with bacon grease.  They taste freakin
>>> awesome.  If you do car camping you cook your bacon first, the use some of
>>> the oil for biscuits, and then for frying your flapjacks and eggs and
>>> hash.  Then hopefully you hike 20 miles to burn all that off.  Or you sit
>>> and drink beer all day and get fat, there's more than one style of camping
>>> and I'm not here to judge.
>>>
>>> Crisco shortening is made from vegetable oil.  I'm not sure how they
>>> make it into a solid at room temperature.  I seem to think that's what
>>> "hydrogenating" does, but I'm fuzzy on that.  In any case it's a cheaper
>>> substitute for animal fat in cooking.  Lard is the OG cooking oil.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/9/2020 11:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> I think lard is basically fat.  To my mom, shortening was Crisco.  To my
>>> grandmother, shortening was lard.  If I remember right, lard is pig fat,
>>> tallow is beef fat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But bacon grease should be fine.  In fact, as pig fat, bacon grease IS
>>> lard.  Your biscuits might taste like bacon, but what’s wrong with that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF   *On
>>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:21 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is shortening lard?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can bacon. Grease be substituted
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 8:59 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> I noticed the shortening in the Jiffy apple cinnamon mix I made with
>>> dinner is lard.  Use by date was 3 months ago.  I was a bit reticent given
>>> the lard, but they tasted fine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How many vegetarians think lard comes from plants?  I don’t know, with
>>> all the plant meat and plant milk, maybe they’ll come out with plant lard.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:21 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, lard is essential.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 9, 2020, Carlos Alcantar  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> lard is what your missing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Carlos Alcantar
>>>
>>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>>>
>>> http://www.race.com
>>>
>>>
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>>> *From:* AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 4:44 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will share recipe in a bit..no can beans please!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>> We just use black beans out of the can. We will season them with green
>>> chilies, cayenne, and garlic. Choose your own heat. I also like to add rice
>>> that we cook with a little bullion.
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/9/2020 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>>
>>> Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better
>>> than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in
>>> the ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few
>>> months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.
>>>  Still no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of
>>> the can.   I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.
>>>  Cooking beans and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green
>>> chilis in them (this was closest so far). And on and on and on.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling
>>> ingredients:  "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt,
>>> Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at
>>> various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Jaime Solorza]

When they say Louis Rich turkey slices are made from a 100% turkey...it's
true...they use 100% of the turkey except the feathers.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 9:53 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

> heh...fingered
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:39 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Yup. Crisco is almost fully hydrogenated vegetable oil(s). The process of
>> hydrogenating is what makes it thick. This is as opposed to "partially
>> hydrogenated" oils, which create trans fats. Trans fats have been fingered
>> as the bad guys in the cholesterol world.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 4/9/2020 8:29 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> Pig fat is lard.  Bacon grease is pig fat, but salt and smoke flavored.
>> I have, in fact, made biscuits with bacon grease.  They taste freakin
>> awesome.  If you do car camping you cook your bacon first, the use some of
>> the oil for biscuits, and then for frying your flapjacks and eggs and
>> hash.  Then hopefully you hike 20 miles to burn all that off.  Or you sit
>> and drink beer all day and get fat, there's more than one style of camping
>> and I'm not here to judge.
>>
>> Crisco shortening is made from vegetable oil.  I'm not sure how they make
>> it into a solid at room temperature.  I seem to think that's what
>> "hydrogenating" does, but I'm fuzzy on that.  In any case it's a cheaper
>> substitute for animal fat in cooking.  Lard is the OG cooking oil.
>>
>>
>> On 4/9/2020 11:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I think lard is basically fat.  To my mom, shortening was Crisco.  To my
>> grandmother, shortening was lard.  If I remember right, lard is pig fat,
>> tallow is beef fat.
>>
>>
>>
>> But bacon grease should be fine.  In fact, as pig fat, bacon grease IS
>> lard.  Your biscuits might taste like bacon, but what’s wrong with that?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:21 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>>
>>
>>
>> Is shortening lard?
>>
>>
>>
>> Can bacon. Grease be substituted
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 8:59 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> I noticed the shortening in the Jiffy apple cinnamon mix I made with
>> dinner is lard.  Use by date was 3 months ago.  I was a bit reticent given
>> the lard, but they tasted fine.
>>
>>
>>
>> How many vegetarians think lard comes from plants?  I don’t know, with
>> all the plant meat and plant milk, maybe they’ll come out with plant lard.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:21 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, lard is essential.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 9, 2020, Carlos Alcantar  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> lard is what your missing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Carlos Alcantar
>>
>> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>>
>> http://www.race.com
>>
>>
>> --
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>> *From:* AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 4:44 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>>
>>
>>
>> I will share recipe in a bit..no can beans please!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> We just use black beans out of the can. We will season them with green
>> chilies, cayenne, and garlic. Choose your own heat. I also like to add rice
>> that we cook with a little bullion.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4/9/2020 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better
>> than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in
>> the ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.
>>
>>
>>
>> What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few
>> months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.
>>  Still no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of
>> the can.   I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.
>>  Cooking beans and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green
>> chilis in them (this was closest so far). And on and on and on.
>>
>>
>>
>> My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling
>> ingredients:  "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt,
>> Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"
>>
>>
>>
>> Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at
>> various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how
>> they're cooked, or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient
>> catchall of "Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my
>> bean filling to taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or
>> tacos.
>>
>>
>>
>> My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured
>> it out either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants 

Re: [AFMUG] OT pulse sending

[Jaime Solorza]

I am installing something similar tomorrow in a water tank for Tornillo
water company.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 11:25 AM  wrote:

> Bill, this is what is inside your water well sounding device.  Just a
> speaker.
> And the acoustic waveform it sends looks like this.
> Along with the waveform I created last week and launched with a much
> larger
> speaker.
>
> So, my method is identical to the well sounder, just much stronger
> impulse.
> Now I gotta go monitor the output of their mic amp and see what that looks
> like.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] IF this guy has it right, you might have your head explode, I just did..

[Carl Peterson]

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I am misreading that.  Is it deaths per day/mil pop.  Yesterday ~11 per mil
pop died in Spain.  Numbers check out.


On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 2:19 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> That's a very encouraging article actually.
>
>
> On 4/10/2020 2:43 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> > Numbers guys can get fooled like the rest of us, but can be more
> > detached too
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] IF this guy has it right, you might have your head explode, I just did..

[Bill Prince]

I trust Nate Silver more. He is very honest about the huge holes in the 
data set. This guy is piling speculation on top of speculation, and 
making assumptions about the missing data.


Time will tell however.


bp


On 4/10/2020 11:43 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Numbers guys can get fooled like the rest of us, but can be more 
detached too



https://medium.com/@ali_razavian/covid-19-from-a-data-scientists-perspective-95bd4e84843b 





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Re: [AFMUG] IF this guy has it right, you might have your head explode, I just did..

[Carl Peterson]

Except that it appears the numbers in his graph are way off.  The scale on
the right showing deaths per 1 mil pop can't be right.  Italy and spain are
already around 300 per mil pop.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 1:44 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Numbers guys can get fooled like the rest of us, but can be more
> detached too
>
>
>
> https://medium.com/@ali_razavian/covid-19-from-a-data-scientists-perspective-95bd4e84843b
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Re: [AFMUG] IF this guy has it right, you might have your head explode, I just did..

[Adam Moffett]

That's a very encouraging article actually.


On 4/10/2020 2:43 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Numbers guys can get fooled like the rest of us, but can be more 
detached too



https://medium.com/@ali_razavian/covid-19-from-a-data-scientists-perspective-95bd4e84843b 





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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Josh Luthman]

20 or 40% survival if you're intubated.  This is not for people with the
virus, this is for people with the virus who are greatly affected.
Remember, some people are not showing symptoms.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:59 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I'd heard 20% survival for Covid19 if you end up intubated.  So yeah 40%
> is a victory.
>
>
> On 4/10/2020 11:26 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
> 40% is a pretty average survival rate for intubated patients.  Great for
> Covid 19 from what I've read.
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:16 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> On today’s Pence/Birx/Fauci show I heard someone say how wonderful it was
>> that New Orleans was reporting 40% of intubation patients coming off the
>> ventilators rather than croaking.
>>
>>
>>
>> That’s pretty scary when a 40% survival rate is great news.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT pulse sending

[chuck]

Those are fun.  I used to carry them in my RadioShack store.

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 12:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT pulse sending

You ever think about trying something like this? It does a cool air blast but 
the sound seems like something toward what you're looking for at a smaller 
scale 
https://www.amazon.com/Squirrel-Products-2990-Airzooka-Black/dp/B6IJIC


On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 1:06 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Very interesting.



bp


On 4/10/2020 10:24 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Bill, this is what is inside your water well sounding device.  Just a 
speaker. 
And the acoustic waveform it sends looks like this. 
Along with the waveform I created last week and launched with a much larger 
speaker. 

So, my method is identical to the well sounder, just much stronger impulse. 
Now I gotta go monitor the output of their mic amp and see what that looks 
like. 




 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Mandatory vaccinations

[chuck]

I had the nasty liquid.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 12:09 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Mandatory vaccinations

I remember standing in line to take my polio sugar cube when I was in grade 
school. I don't know who mandated it (it was a rural grade school in central 
Illinois), but AFAIK everyone ate the cube.



bp


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  I guess there is precedent.
  1905

  https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/197/11

   



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[AFMUG] IF this guy has it right, you might have your head explode, I just did..

[Robert Andrews]

Numbers guys can get fooled like the rest of us, but can be more 
detached too



https://medium.com/@ali_razavian/covid-19-from-a-data-scientists-perspective-95bd4e84843b

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Re: [AFMUG] OT pulse sending

[Steve Jones]

You ever think about trying something like this? It does a cool air blast
but the sound seems like something toward what you're looking for at a
smaller scale
https://www.amazon.com/Squirrel-Products-2990-Airzooka-Black/dp/B6IJIC

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 1:06 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Very interesting.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/10/2020 10:24 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Bill, this is what is inside your water well sounding device.  Just a
> speaker.
> And the acoustic waveform it sends looks like this.
> Along with the waveform I created last week and launched with a much
> larger speaker.
>
> So, my method is identical to the well sounder, just much stronger
> impulse. Now I gotta go monitor the output of their mic amp and see what
> that looks like.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

[Jaime Solorza]

Last evening and now we are in Triduum...Good Friday is only day Mass is
Not celebrated by Catholics and Episcopalians. Peace

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 11:18 AM  wrote:

> Interesting, I always thought Lent ended on Easter.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 11:14 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth
>
> I am staying out of this...it's Good Friday and I am trying, really trying
> to just share good thoughts...btw, Lent in the Catholic calendar was over
> yesterday...peace
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 9:56 AM  wrote:
>
>> Well in Utah, we don’t have any limits to testing supplies.  We have
>> alternate... sources for things like that.  So everyone that is even
>> suspect gets tested.  100% of dead folks are tested.  And our curve matches
>> this one.
>>
>> *From:* Robert
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 8:44 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth
>>
>> Umm, liars, damn liars and staticians?   How about instead it's the limit
>> of testing supplies?  GIGO...
>>
>> On 4/10/20 6:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> [image: image]
>>
>> Sure looks like a flattening to me.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Mandatory vaccinations

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I remember standing in line to take my polio sugar cube when I
  was in grade school. I don't know who mandated it (it was a rural
  grade school in central Illinois), but AFAIK everyone ate the
  cube.


bp



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  wrote:


  
  

  I guess there is precedent.
  1905
   
  https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/197/11

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT pulse sending

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Very interesting.


bp



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  wrote:

Bill,
  this is what is inside your water well sounding device.  Just a
  speaker.
  
  And the acoustic waveform it sends looks like this.
  
  Along with the waveform I created last week and launched with a
  much larger speaker.
  
  
  So, my method is identical to the well sounder, just much stronger
  impulse. Now I gotta go monitor the output of their mic amp and
  see what that looks like.
  
  
  
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

[chuck]

Lent is year around on this list...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 11:55 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

I thought we agreed that lent was year round, but are semi lenting right now 
with jaime refereeing, anything gets out of hand and jaime posts a tecate and 
food pic. Distracts us and gets us back to semilent

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 12:18 PM  wrote:

  Interesting, I always thought Lent ended on Easter.

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 11:14 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

  I am staying out of this...it's Good Friday and I am trying, really trying to 
just share good thoughts...btw, Lent in the Catholic calendar was over 
yesterday...peace

  On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 9:56 AM  wrote:

Well in Utah, we don’t have any limits to testing supplies.  We have 
alternate... sources for things like that.  So everyone that is even suspect 
gets tested.  100% of dead folks are tested.  And our curve matches this one.  

From: Robert 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 8:44 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

Umm, liars, damn liars and staticians?   How about instead it's the limit 
of testing supplies?  GIGO...


On 4/10/20 6:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:



  Sure looks like a flattening to me.  

   





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Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

[Steve Jones]

I thought we agreed that lent was year round, but are semi lenting right
now with jaime refereeing, anything gets out of hand and jaime posts a
tecate and food pic. Distracts us and gets us back to semilent

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 12:18 PM  wrote:

> Interesting, I always thought Lent ended on Easter.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 11:14 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth
>
> I am staying out of this...it's Good Friday and I am trying, really trying
> to just share good thoughts...btw, Lent in the Catholic calendar was over
> yesterday...peace
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 9:56 AM  wrote:
>
>> Well in Utah, we don’t have any limits to testing supplies.  We have
>> alternate... sources for things like that.  So everyone that is even
>> suspect gets tested.  100% of dead folks are tested.  And our curve matches
>> this one.
>>
>> *From:* Robert
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 8:44 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth
>>
>> Umm, liars, damn liars and staticians?   How about instead it's the limit
>> of testing supplies?  GIGO...
>>
>> On 4/10/20 6:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>
>> [image: image]
>>
>> Sure looks like a flattening to me.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Utility bills

[Steve Jones]

Container ships last I heard are staging on the coast for14 day quarantine,
if that's true, which it may not be, you can move a whole lot of military
gear and troops in those things. And there's a good probability those
troops have antibodies

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 12:03 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> A fun theory, but they don't have a significant naval force with which to
> cross the ocean.  They do have a lot of container ships
>
> Since we're wearing our tinfoil hats: "Hey U.S. these 100 container ships
> are just the backlog of shipping from the pandemic.  Definitely not a
> million troops hidden in these containers.  Nothing to worry about here."
>
>
> On 4/10/2020 10:50 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Tin foil hat on.
> The people this is lethal to are the most expensive members of society to
> maintain. Eliminating that cost and resource drain makes a nation super
> efficient. Especially if you simply let them die.
> If a nation like china were preparing for conflict, that would be an ideal
> prior act.
> Almost every other global nation of merit will do everything they can to
> save all those people. Including decimating production, shorting the food
> supply chain and bankrupting the economy.
> If I were a rogue nation like china, I'd attack the hobbled US within the
> year
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 8:06 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> It has occurred to me that allowing things to take shape naturally and
>> allowing 1-2 million people with underlying conditions to die might be the
>> better course for the country economically.  That might include my wife and
>> children who have asthma, so no.
>>
>>
>> On 4/10/2020 8:20 AM, justsumname . wrote:
>>
>> Pretty safe assumption that 'most people' are not the least bit aware of
>> many things.
>> And therefore not prepared for much of anything.
>>
>> The virus isn't so bad, it's the people reacting to it.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:21 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>>> My own utility bills won't be different.  Kids are home schooled so we
>>> kept the heat up at 66 all day anyway.  It drops to 60 when people
>>> should be in bed under their blankets.  I've spent more on home
>>> improvement.  Lowes and Home Depot both deliver by the way, and my
>>> weekends are not taken up by kids birthday parties, soccer games, etc.
>>> So I've been catching up on house projects. Meanwhile I've spent next to
>>> nothing on luxuries, restaurants, or entertainment.  My personal
>>> financials before and after are probably a wash.  .though perhaps
>>> I'm atypical.
>>>
>>> Here's one prediction: https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/
>>>
>>> About 2/3 of the way down: ""The economic slowdown and stay-at-home
>>> orders are likely to affect U.S. electricity consumption over the next
>>> few months. EIA expects the largest impact will occur in the commercial
>>> sector where forecast retail sales of electricity fall by 4.7% in 2020
>>> due to the closure of many businesses. Similarly, EIA expects retail
>>> sales of electricity to the industrial sector will fall by 4.2% in 2020
>>> as many factories cut back production. Forecast U.S. sales of
>>> electricity to the residential sector fall by 0.8% in 2020, as reduced
>>> power usage resulting from milder winter and summer weather is offset by
>>> increased household electricity consumption as much of the population
>>> stays at home.""
>>>
>>> On 4/9/2020 4:28 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>> > I wonder how many people don't realize that by staying home all day,
>>> > their utility usage is going to be way up.  I'm surprised I haven't
>>> > heard more about that being covered.  Keeping the house warmer all
>>> > day, and the TV on all costs $$$.  It's not free, like the Internet.
>>> >
>>> > I'm also curious how much total energy usage has changed.  They say
>>> > pollution is down because driving is down.  I think most heavy
>>> > manufacturing is still up and running.  The office buildings can't
>>> > change their HVAC programs because there are still a couple people in
>>> > the buildings working, especially if they're all remoteing into their
>>> > office desktop machines.  And daytime residential usage should be
>>> > dramatically up.  Or is energy consumption based on the person, and is
>>> > directly tied to where that person is at?
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[AFMUG] OT Mandatory vaccinations

[chuck]

I guess there is precedent.
1905

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

[chuck]

Interesting, I always thought Lent ended on Easter.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 11:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

I am staying out of this...it's Good Friday and I am trying, really trying to 
just share good thoughts...btw, Lent in the Catholic calendar was over 
yesterday...peace

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 9:56 AM  wrote:

  Well in Utah, we don’t have any limits to testing supplies.  We have 
alternate... sources for things like that.  So everyone that is even suspect 
gets tested.  100% of dead folks are tested.  And our curve matches this one.  

  From: Robert 
  Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 8:44 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

  Umm, liars, damn liars and staticians?   How about instead it's the limit of 
testing supplies?  GIGO...


  On 4/10/20 6:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:



Sure looks like a flattening to me.  

 




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

[Jaime Solorza]

I am staying out of this...it's Good Friday and I am trying, really trying
to just share good thoughts...btw, Lent in the Catholic calendar was over
yesterday...peace

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 9:56 AM  wrote:

> Well in Utah, we don’t have any limits to testing supplies.  We have
> alternate... sources for things like that.  So everyone that is even
> suspect gets tested.  100% of dead folks are tested.  And our curve matches
> this one.
>
> *From:* Robert
> *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 8:44 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth
>
> Umm, liars, damn liars and staticians?   How about instead it's the limit
> of testing supplies?  GIGO...
>
> On 4/10/20 6:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> [image: image]
>
> Sure looks like a flattening to me.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

[chuck]

We have large NGOs in Utah with DEP pockets.  

From: Robert 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:51 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

Um, how about explaining the "alternate"?


On 4/10/20 8:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Well in Utah, we don’t have any limits to testing supplies.  We have 
alternate... sources for things like that.  So everyone that is even suspect 
gets tested.  100% of dead folks are tested.  And our curve matches this one.  

  From: Robert 
  Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 8:44 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

  Umm, liars, damn liars and staticians?   How about instead it's the limit of 
testing supplies?  GIGO...


  On 4/10/20 6:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:



Sure looks like a flattening to me.  

 


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Re: [AFMUG] Utility bills

[Adam Moffett]

A fun theory, but they don't have a significant naval force with which 
to cross the ocean.  They do have a lot of container ships


Since we're wearing our tinfoil hats: "Hey U.S. these 100 container 
ships are just the backlog of shipping from the pandemic.  Definitely 
not a million troops hidden in these containers.  Nothing to worry about 
here."



On 4/10/2020 10:50 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Tin foil hat on.
The people this is lethal to are the most expensive members of society 
to maintain. Eliminating that cost and resource drain makes a nation 
super efficient. Especially if you simply let them die.
If a nation like china were preparing for conflict, that would be an 
ideal prior act.
Almost every other global nation of merit will do everything they can 
to save all those people. Including decimating production, shorting 
the food supply chain and bankrupting the economy.
If I were a rogue nation like china, I'd attack the hobbled US within 
the year


On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 8:06 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


It has occurred to me that allowing things to take shape naturally
and allowing 1-2 million people with underlying conditions to die
might be the better course for the country economically.  That
might include my wife and children who have asthma, so no.


On 4/10/2020 8:20 AM, justsumname . wrote:

Pretty safe assumption that 'most people' are not the least bit
aware of many things.
And therefore not prepared for much of anything.

The virus isn't so bad, it's the people reacting to it.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:21 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

My own utility bills won't be different.  Kids are home
schooled so we
kept the heat up at 66 all day anyway.  It drops to 60 when
people
should be in bed under their blankets.  I've spent more on home
improvement.  Lowes and Home Depot both deliver by the way,
and my
weekends are not taken up by kids birthday parties, soccer
games, etc.
So I've been catching up on house projects. Meanwhile I've
spent next to
nothing on luxuries, restaurants, or entertainment. My personal
financials before and after are probably a wash. .though
perhaps
I'm atypical.

Here's one prediction: https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/

About 2/3 of the way down: ""The economic slowdown and
stay-at-home
orders are likely to affect U.S. electricity consumption over
the next
few months. EIA expects the largest impact will occur in the
commercial
sector where forecast retail sales of electricity fall by
4.7% in 2020
due to the closure of many businesses. Similarly, EIA expects
retail
sales of electricity to the industrial sector will fall by
4.2% in 2020
as many factories cut back production. Forecast U.S. sales of
electricity to the residential sector fall by 0.8% in 2020,
as reduced
power usage resulting from milder winter and summer weather
is offset by
increased household electricity consumption as much of the
population
stays at home.""

On 4/9/2020 4:28 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I wonder how many people don't realize that by staying home
all day,
> their utility usage is going to be way up.  I'm surprised I
haven't
> heard more about that being covered.  Keeping the house
warmer all
> day, and the TV on all costs $$$.  It's not free, like the
Internet.
>
> I'm also curious how much total energy usage has changed. 
They say
> pollution is down because driving is down.  I think most heavy
> manufacturing is still up and running.  The office
buildings can't
> change their HVAC programs because there are still a couple
people in
> the buildings working, especially if they're all remoteing
into their
> office desktop machines.  And daytime residential usage
should be
> dramatically up.  Or is energy consumption based on the
person, and is
> directly tied to where that person is at?
>

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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Ken Hohhof]

BIPAP actually sounds better, I wonder if they aren’t using it because the 
aerosolizing puts healthcare workers at more risk and maybe a lack of negative 
pressure rooms.

 

I also fear that with relatives locked out, healthcare directives are being 
ignored and people are being intubated who specified they didn’t want it.  And 
at that point they have you sedated until you either can be extubated or you 
die.  What I say about people who didn’t want intubation or resuscitation may 
be unrealistic if they also can’t provide palliative care and the person is 
gasping for breath.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 11:51 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

 

The CPAP/BIPAP with viral filtering is what changed a lot of outcomes in 
Italy...   Without viral filtering contaminated a lot of wards before they 
understood that they were aerisolizing(sp?) the virus 

On 4/10/20 8:51 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

yep, intubation is last resort. and of those 40% many will still die from post 
intubation pnemonia and infection unrelated to the COVID. Even experienced 
respiratory techs do a ton of laryngeal/tracheal damage upon insertion under 
good conditions. Rapid Sequence Intubation is high pressure many times under 
less than ideal conditions (ie coding). 

Skimmed an article that theyre beginning to thing that RSI is doing more harm 
than good and looking toward postitive pressure treatments akin to CPAP/BIPAP 

 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:27 AM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

40% is a pretty average survival rate for intubated patients.  Great for Covid 
19 from what I've read.  

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:16 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

On today’s Pence/Birx/Fauci show I heard someone say how wonderful it was that 
New Orleans was reporting 40% of intubation patients coming off the ventilators 
rather than croaking.

 

That’s pretty scary when a 40% survival rate is great news.

 

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Adam Moffett]

I'd heard 20% survival for Covid19 if you end up intubated.  So yeah 40% 
is a victory.



On 4/10/2020 11:26 AM, Carl Peterson wrote:
40% is a pretty average survival rate for intubated patients.  Great 
for Covid 19 from what I've read.


On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:16 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


On today’s Pence/Birx/Fauci show I heard someone say how wonderful
it was that New Orleans was reporting 40% of intubation patients
coming off the ventilators rather than croaking.

That’s pretty scary when a 40% survival rate is great news.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

[Robert]

Um, how about explaining the "alternate"?

On 4/10/20 8:55 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Well in Utah, we don’t have any limits to testing supplies.  We 
have alternate... sources for things like that.  So everyone that 
is even suspect gets tested.  100% of dead folks are tested.  And our 
curve matches this one.

*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth
Umm, liars, damn liars and staticians?   How about instead it's the 
limit of testing supplies?  GIGO...


On 4/10/20 6:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

image
Sure looks like a flattening to me.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Robert]

The CPAP/BIPAP with viral filtering is what changed a lot of outcomes in 
Italy...   Without viral filtering contaminated a lot of wards before 
they understood that they were aerisolizing(sp?) the virus


On 4/10/20 8:51 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
yep, intubation is last resort. and of those 40% many will still die 
from post intubation pnemonia and infection unrelated to the COVID. 
Even experienced respiratory techs do a ton of laryngeal/tracheal 
damage upon insertion under good conditions. Rapid Sequence Intubation 
is high pressure many times under less than ideal conditions (ie coding).
Skimmed an article that theyre beginning to thing that RSI is doing 
more harm than good and looking toward postitive pressure treatments 
akin to CPAP/BIPAP


On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:27 AM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:


40% is a pretty average survival rate for intubated patients. 
Great for Covid 19 from what I've read.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:16 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

On today’s Pence/Birx/Fauci show I heard someone say how
wonderful it was that New Orleans was reporting 40% of
intubation patients coming off the ventilators rather than
croaking.

That’s pretty scary when a 40% survival rate is great news.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Steve Jones]

We were trained on no scope digital intubations which is one step less
barbaric than blind intubation. You are pretty much assured you'll be on an
extended vent if that happens. Tons of tissue damage. It's always
detrimental to go in through any out hole

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 10:59 AM  wrote:

> It sounds like a painful nightmare getting intubated.  Tracheotomy for me
> please.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 9:51 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go
>
> yep, intubation is last resort. and of those 40% many will still die from
> post intubation pnemonia and infection unrelated to the COVID. Even
> experienced respiratory techs do a ton of laryngeal/tracheal damage upon
> insertion under good conditions. Rapid Sequence Intubation is high pressure
> many times under less than ideal conditions (ie coding).
> Skimmed an article that theyre beginning to thing that RSI is doing more
> harm than good and looking toward postitive pressure treatments akin to
> CPAP/BIPAP
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:27 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> 40% is a pretty average survival rate for intubated patients.  Great for
>> Covid 19 from what I've read.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:16 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> On today’s Pence/Birx/Fauci show I heard someone say how wonderful it
>>> was that New Orleans was reporting 40% of intubation patients coming off
>>> the ventilators rather than croaking.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That’s pretty scary when a 40% survival rate is great news.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[chuck]

It sounds like a painful nightmare getting intubated.  Tracheotomy for me 
please.

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 9:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

yep, intubation is last resort. and of those 40% many will still die from post 
intubation pnemonia and infection unrelated to the COVID. Even experienced 
respiratory techs do a ton of laryngeal/tracheal damage upon insertion under 
good conditions. Rapid Sequence Intubation is high pressure many times under 
less than ideal conditions (ie coding). 
Skimmed an article that theyre beginning to thing that RSI is doing more harm 
than good and looking toward postitive pressure treatments akin to CPAP/BIPAP 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:27 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

  40% is a pretty average survival rate for intubated patients.  Great for 
Covid 19 from what I've read.  

  On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:16 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

On today’s Pence/Birx/Fauci show I heard someone say how wonderful it was 
that New Orleans was reporting 40% of intubation patients coming off the 
ventilators rather than croaking.



That’s pretty scary when a 40% survival rate is great news.







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Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

[chuck]

Well in Utah, we don’t have any limits to testing supplies.  We have 
alternate... sources for things like that.  So everyone that is even suspect 
gets tested.  100% of dead folks are tested.  And our curve matches this one.  

From: Robert 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 8:44 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

Umm, liars, damn liars and staticians?   How about instead it's the limit of 
testing supplies?  GIGO...


On 4/10/20 6:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:



  Sure looks like a flattening to me.  

   





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Steve Jones]

heh...fingered

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:39 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Yup. Crisco is almost fully hydrogenated vegetable oil(s). The process of
> hydrogenating is what makes it thick. This is as opposed to "partially
> hydrogenated" oils, which create trans fats. Trans fats have been fingered
> as the bad guys in the cholesterol world.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 4/9/2020 8:29 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Yes.
>
> Pig fat is lard.  Bacon grease is pig fat, but salt and smoke flavored.  I
> have, in fact, made biscuits with bacon grease.  They taste freakin
> awesome.  If you do car camping you cook your bacon first, the use some of
> the oil for biscuits, and then for frying your flapjacks and eggs and
> hash.  Then hopefully you hike 20 miles to burn all that off.  Or you sit
> and drink beer all day and get fat, there's more than one style of camping
> and I'm not here to judge.
>
> Crisco shortening is made from vegetable oil.  I'm not sure how they make
> it into a solid at room temperature.  I seem to think that's what
> "hydrogenating" does, but I'm fuzzy on that.  In any case it's a cheaper
> substitute for animal fat in cooking.  Lard is the OG cooking oil.
>
>
> On 4/9/2020 11:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I think lard is basically fat.  To my mom, shortening was Crisco.  To my
> grandmother, shortening was lard.  If I remember right, lard is pig fat,
> tallow is beef fat.
>
>
>
> But bacon grease should be fine.  In fact, as pig fat, bacon grease IS
> lard.  Your biscuits might taste like bacon, but what’s wrong with that?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:21 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>
>
>
> Is shortening lard?
>
>
>
> Can bacon. Grease be substituted
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 8:59 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I noticed the shortening in the Jiffy apple cinnamon mix I made with
> dinner is lard.  Use by date was 3 months ago.  I was a bit reticent given
> the lard, but they tasted fine.
>
>
>
> How many vegetarians think lard comes from plants?  I don’t know, with all
> the plant meat and plant milk, maybe they’ll come out with plant lard.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:21 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>
>
>
> Yes, lard is essential.
>
> On Thursday, April 9, 2020, Carlos Alcantar  wrote:
>
>
>
> lard is what your missing
>
>
>
>
>
> Carlos Alcantar
>
> Race Communications / Race Team Member
>
> http://www.race.com
>
>
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> *From:* AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 9, 2020 4:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?
>
>
>
> I will share recipe in a bit..no can beans please!!!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:34 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> We just use black beans out of the can. We will season them with green
> chilies, cayenne, and garlic. Choose your own heat. I also like to add rice
> that we cook with a little bullion.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 4/9/2020 4:15 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better
> than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in
> the ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.
>
>
>
> What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few
> months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.
>  Still no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of
> the can.   I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.
>  Cooking beans and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green
> chilis in them (this was closest so far). And on and on and on.
>
>
>
> My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling
> ingredients:  "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt,
> Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"
>
>
>
> Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at
> various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how
> they're cooked, or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient
> catchall of "Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my
> bean filling to taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or
> tacos.
>
>
>
> My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured it
> out either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.
>
>
>
> If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it
> would be much appreciated.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Steve Jones]

yep, intubation is last resort. and of those 40% many will still die from
post intubation pnemonia and infection unrelated to the COVID. Even
experienced respiratory techs do a ton of laryngeal/tracheal damage upon
insertion under good conditions. Rapid Sequence Intubation is high pressure
many times under less than ideal conditions (ie coding).
Skimmed an article that theyre beginning to thing that RSI is doing more
harm than good and looking toward postitive pressure treatments akin to
CPAP/BIPAP

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:27 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> 40% is a pretty average survival rate for intubated patients.  Great for
> Covid 19 from what I've read.
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:16 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> On today’s Pence/Birx/Fauci show I heard someone say how wonderful it was
>> that New Orleans was reporting 40% of intubation patients coming off the
>> ventilators rather than croaking.
>>
>>
>>
>> That’s pretty scary when a 40% survival rate is great news.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Yup. Crisco is almost fully hydrogenated vegetable oil(s). The
  process of hydrogenating is what makes it thick. This is as
  opposed to "partially hydrogenated" oils, which create trans fats.
  Trans fats have been fingered as the bad guys in the cholesterol
  world.

bp



On 4/9/2020 8:29 PM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  Yes.
  Pig fat is lard.  Bacon grease is pig fat, but salt and smoke
flavored.  I have, in fact, made biscuits with bacon grease. 
They taste freakin awesome.  If you do car camping you cook your
bacon first, the use some of the oil for biscuits, and then for
frying your flapjacks and eggs and hash.  Then hopefully you
hike 20 miles to burn all that off.  Or you sit and drink beer
all day and get fat, there's more than one style of camping and
I'm not here to judge.
  
  Crisco shortening is made from vegetable oil.  I'm not sure how
they make it into a solid at room temperature.  I seem to think
that's what "hydrogenating" does, but I'm fuzzy on that.  In any
case it's a cheaper substitute for animal fat in cooking.  Lard
is the OG cooking oil.  
  
  
  
  On 4/9/2020 11:04 PM, Ken Hohhof
wrote:
  
  





  I think lard is basically fat.  To my
mom, shortening was Crisco.  To my grandmother, shortening
was lard.  If I remember right, lard is pig fat, tallow is
beef fat.
   
  But bacon grease should be fine.  In
fact, as pig fat, bacon grease IS lard.  Your biscuits might
taste like bacon, but what’s wrong with that?
   
   
  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito
Filling?
   
  
Is shortening lard?

   


  Can bacon. Grease be substituted

  
   
  

  On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 8:59 PM Ken
Hohhof  wrote:


  

  I
noticed the shortening in the Jiffy apple cinnamon
mix I made with dinner is lard.  Use by date was 3
months ago.  I was a bit reticent given the lard,
but they tasted fine.
   
  How
many vegetarians think lard comes from plants?  I
don’t know, with all the plant meat and plant milk,
maybe they’ll come out with plant lard.
   
   
  From:
AF 
On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 8:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese
Burrito Filling?
   
  Yes,
lard is essential.

On Thursday, April 9, 2020, Carlos Alcantar 
wrote:
  

  
 
  
  

  lard
  is what your missing


   


   


  
Carlos
Alcantar
Race
Communications / Race Team Member 
http://www.race.com
 
  

  
  

  
From: AF 
on behalf of Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 4:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean &
Cheese Burrito Filling? 

   

  
  

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT One month to go

[Carl Peterson]

40% is a pretty average survival rate for intubated patients.  Great for
Covid 19 from what I've read.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 7:16 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> On today’s Pence/Birx/Fauci show I heard someone say how wonderful it was
> that New Orleans was reporting 40% of intubation patients coming off the
> ventilators rather than croaking.
>
>
>
> That’s pretty scary when a 40% survival rate is great news.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

[Ken Hohhof]

I seem to recall some experiment involving marshmallows that demonstrates
most people are bad at delayed gratification.  Now we are asking people to
take difficult actions when the punishment or reward comes a month down the
road.  And maybe hurts or benefits everyone not just yourself.  It will be
hard to prevent subsequent waves.

 

Isn't there a new streaming service that bets on people having a 10 minute
attention span?

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 9:44 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

 

Umm, liars, damn liars and staticians?   How about instead it's the limit of
testing supplies?  GIGO...

On 4/10/20 6:19 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:



 

Sure looks like a flattening to me.  





 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

[Steve Jones]

California counties are pussed at the go ernor because he wont give them 1k
of their 8k extra vents and gave 500 of the national stockpile vents back
to the stockpile for new york.

I think there are a whole lot more metro areas priming to come on board.

But weather is getting better so people will stop compressing indoors and
surface viral loads will drop soon, like every virus season, so hopefully
that will offset those plague centers

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 8:20 AM  wrote:

> [image: image]
>
> Sure looks like a flattening to me.
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Re: [AFMUG] Utility bills

[Steve Jones]

Tin foil hat on.
The people this is lethal to are the most expensive members of society to
maintain. Eliminating that cost and resource drain makes a nation super
efficient. Especially if you simply let them die.
If a nation like china were preparing for conflict, that would be an ideal
prior act.
Almost every other global nation of merit will do everything they can to
save all those people. Including decimating production, shorting the food
supply chain and bankrupting the economy.
If I were a rogue nation like china, I'd attack the hobbled US within the
year

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 8:06 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> It has occurred to me that allowing things to take shape naturally and
> allowing 1-2 million people with underlying conditions to die might be the
> better course for the country economically.  That might include my wife and
> children who have asthma, so no.
>
>
> On 4/10/2020 8:20 AM, justsumname . wrote:
>
> Pretty safe assumption that 'most people' are not the least bit aware of
> many things.
> And therefore not prepared for much of anything.
>
> The virus isn't so bad, it's the people reacting to it.
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:21 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> My own utility bills won't be different.  Kids are home schooled so we
>> kept the heat up at 66 all day anyway.  It drops to 60 when people
>> should be in bed under their blankets.  I've spent more on home
>> improvement.  Lowes and Home Depot both deliver by the way, and my
>> weekends are not taken up by kids birthday parties, soccer games, etc.
>> So I've been catching up on house projects. Meanwhile I've spent next to
>> nothing on luxuries, restaurants, or entertainment.  My personal
>> financials before and after are probably a wash.  .though perhaps
>> I'm atypical.
>>
>> Here's one prediction: https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/
>>
>> About 2/3 of the way down: ""The economic slowdown and stay-at-home
>> orders are likely to affect U.S. electricity consumption over the next
>> few months. EIA expects the largest impact will occur in the commercial
>> sector where forecast retail sales of electricity fall by 4.7% in 2020
>> due to the closure of many businesses. Similarly, EIA expects retail
>> sales of electricity to the industrial sector will fall by 4.2% in 2020
>> as many factories cut back production. Forecast U.S. sales of
>> electricity to the residential sector fall by 0.8% in 2020, as reduced
>> power usage resulting from milder winter and summer weather is offset by
>> increased household electricity consumption as much of the population
>> stays at home.""
>>
>> On 4/9/2020 4:28 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> > I wonder how many people don't realize that by staying home all day,
>> > their utility usage is going to be way up.  I'm surprised I haven't
>> > heard more about that being covered.  Keeping the house warmer all
>> > day, and the TV on all costs $$$.  It's not free, like the Internet.
>> >
>> > I'm also curious how much total energy usage has changed.  They say
>> > pollution is down because driving is down.  I think most heavy
>> > manufacturing is still up and running.  The office buildings can't
>> > change their HVAC programs because there are still a couple people in
>> > the buildings working, especially if they're all remoteing into their
>> > office desktop machines.  And daytime residential usage should be
>> > dramatically up.  Or is energy consumption based on the person, and is
>> > directly tied to where that person is at?
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Utility bills

[Robert]

In one fell swoop you fix social security (you don't) medicare (you 
don't) and the homeless problem ( you don't ) but there are plenty that 
would believe that if it came from on top...


On 4/10/20 6:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Ahhh, yes, the rise of the master race!
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2020 7:05 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Utility bills

It has occurred to me that allowing things to take shape naturally and 
allowing 1-2 million people with underlying conditions to die might be 
the better course for the country economically.  That might include my 
wife and children who have asthma, so no.


On 4/10/2020 8:20 AM, justsumname . wrote:
Pretty safe assumption that 'most people' are not the least bit aware 
of many things.

And therefore not prepared for much of anything.
The virus isn't so bad, it's the people reacting to it.
On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:21 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

My own utility bills won't be different.  Kids are home schooled
so we
kept the heat up at 66 all day anyway.  It drops to 60 when people
should be in bed under their blankets.  I've spent more on home
improvement.  Lowes and Home Depot both deliver by the way, and my
weekends are not taken up by kids birthday parties, soccer games,
etc.
So I've been catching up on house projects. Meanwhile I've spent
next to
nothing on luxuries, restaurants, or entertainment. My personal
financials before and after are probably a wash. .though perhaps
I'm atypical.

Here's one prediction: https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/

About 2/3 of the way down: ""The economic slowdown and stay-at-home
orders are likely to affect U.S. electricity consumption over the
next
few months. EIA expects the largest impact will occur in the
commercial
sector where forecast retail sales of electricity fall by 4.7% in
2020
due to the closure of many businesses. Similarly, EIA expects retail
sales of electricity to the industrial sector will fall by 4.2%
in 2020
as many factories cut back production. Forecast U.S. sales of
electricity to the residential sector fall by 0.8% in 2020, as
reduced
power usage resulting from milder winter and summer weather is
offset by
increased household electricity consumption as much of the
population
stays at home.""

On 4/9/2020 4:28 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I wonder how many people don't realize that by staying home all
day,
> their utility usage is going to be way up.  I'm surprised I
haven't
> heard more about that being covered.  Keeping the house warmer all
> day, and the TV on all costs $$$.  It's not free, like the
Internet.
>
> I'm also curious how much total energy usage has changed.  They
say
> pollution is down because driving is down.  I think most heavy
> manufacturing is still up and running.  The office buildings can't
> change their HVAC programs because there are still a couple
people in
> the buildings working, especially if they're all remoteing into
their
> office desktop machines.  And daytime residential usage should be
> dramatically up.  Or is energy consumption based on the person,
and is
> directly tied to where that person is at?
>

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Growth

[Sean Heskett]

I sure hope so 爛

Good job team America!!!

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 7:20 AM  wrote:

> [image: image]
>
> Sure looks like a flattening to me.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[chuck]

Oh, man... I would love it if it was true.

I will tell you a true story.  My father in law was an ag science major at USU. 
 One of the dairy science classes had to do with the quality of milk.  They did 
double blind taste testing.  The best tasting milk had just a bit of cow shit 
in it.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 7:11 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

My dad was a food chemist.  He would tell a story about Campbells buying V8 and 
when they took over the factory it didn’t taste the same despite using the same 
recipe.  Finally in desperation they paid a former V8 employee as a consultant 
to come in and figure out what they were doing wrong.  As soon as he walked 
into the plant, he said “there’s your problem, you’re cleaning the vegetables.”

 

It wasn’t until years later that I realized this was a food chemist’s idea of a 
joke.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 7:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

 

The secret is Mexican aunts. They are the only ones who can make the best food. 
I dont know if there is some cultural tradition where when a girls sibling has 
a child she is given the secrets, but Mexican aunts know how to make the 
greatest stuff. It could be that it's a secret and none of the males or female 
only child know about it.

 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 1:35 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

  hmmm..  clove of garlic.   maybe that's the secret.

   

  Crock pot is my preferred way to cook beans.Many of the experiments I've 
done in cooking from raw have been beans plus stuff in a crockpot.   Where 
stuff has been things like chilis.  I also make perfectly serviceable chili con 
Carne from scratch (won a chili cook-off one year in fact ), also in the 
crockpot.  Just haven't figured out this style of beans yet, but it hasn't been 
without trying.

   

  I grew up in a family where garlic wasn't a typical ingredient and I've never 
really been a fan of strong garlic flavors, so it's an ingredient I overlook 
too often unless I'm following a recipe or know for a fact that it belongs.   I 
can't say that I've ever thrown a clove of garlic in while attempting the beans 
so this is something to try. 

   

   

   

  On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:52 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

Buy a bag of pinto beans.  Clean them...put them is a crock pot with water, 
salt and clove of garlic.  You will see when they are cooked...you can eat them 
with muenster cheese and Jalapenos...to fry them, put them in a pan with a 
little bit of oil and smash them. To spice it up, cook some chorizo with it and 
cheese...

Enjoy...and use real tortillas, corn or flour...

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:16 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

  Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better 
than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in the 
ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.  

   

  What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few 
months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.   Still 
no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of the can.   
I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.   Cooking beans 
and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green chilis in them 
(this was closest so far). And on and on and on.

   

  My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling 
ingredients:  "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt, Dehydrated 
Onion, Spices,"  

   

  Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at 
various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how they're 
cooked, or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient catchall of 
"Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my bean filling to 
taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or tacos.

   

  My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured 
it out either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.

   

  If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it 
would be much appreciated.

   

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Re: [AFMUG] Utility bills

[chuck]

Ahhh, yes, the rise of the master race!  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 7:05 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Utility bills

It has occurred to me that allowing things to take shape naturally and allowing 
1-2 million people with underlying conditions to die might be the better course 
for the country economically.  That might include my wife and children who have 
asthma, so no.



On 4/10/2020 8:20 AM, justsumname . wrote:

  Pretty safe assumption that 'most people' are not the least bit aware of many 
things. 
  And therefore not prepared for much of anything.

  The virus isn't so bad, it's the people reacting to it.

  On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:21 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

My own utility bills won't be different.  Kids are home schooled so we 
kept the heat up at 66 all day anyway.  It drops to 60 when people 
should be in bed under their blankets.  I've spent more on home 
improvement.  Lowes and Home Depot both deliver by the way, and my 
weekends are not taken up by kids birthday parties, soccer games, etc.  
So I've been catching up on house projects. Meanwhile I've spent next to 
nothing on luxuries, restaurants, or entertainment.  My personal 
financials before and after are probably a wash.  .though perhaps 
I'm atypical.

Here's one prediction: https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/

About 2/3 of the way down: ""The economic slowdown and stay-at-home 
orders are likely to affect U.S. electricity consumption over the next 
few months. EIA expects the largest impact will occur in the commercial 
sector where forecast retail sales of electricity fall by 4.7% in 2020 
due to the closure of many businesses. Similarly, EIA expects retail 
sales of electricity to the industrial sector will fall by 4.2% in 2020 
as many factories cut back production. Forecast U.S. sales of 
electricity to the residential sector fall by 0.8% in 2020, as reduced 
power usage resulting from milder winter and summer weather is offset by 
increased household electricity consumption as much of the population 
stays at home.""

On 4/9/2020 4:28 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I wonder how many people don't realize that by staying home all day, 
> their utility usage is going to be way up.  I'm surprised I haven't 
> heard more about that being covered.  Keeping the house warmer all 
> day, and the TV on all costs $$$.  It's not free, like the Internet.
>
> I'm also curious how much total energy usage has changed.  They say 
> pollution is down because driving is down.  I think most heavy 
> manufacturing is still up and running.  The office buildings can't 
> change their HVAC programs because there are still a couple people in 
> the buildings working, especially if they're all remoteing into their 
> office desktop machines.  And daytime residential usage should be 
> dramatically up.  Or is energy consumption based on the person, and is 
> directly tied to where that person is at?
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[AFMUG] OT Growth

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Ken Hohhof]

My dad was a food chemist.  He would tell a story about Campbells buying V8 and 
when they took over the factory it didn’t taste the same despite using the same 
recipe.  Finally in desperation they paid a former V8 employee as a consultant 
to come in and figure out what they were doing wrong.  As soon as he walked 
into the plant, he said “there’s your problem, you’re cleaning the vegetables.”

 

It wasn’t until years later that I realized this was a food chemist’s idea of a 
joke.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 7:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

 

The secret is Mexican aunts. They are the only ones who can make the best food. 
I dont know if there is some cultural tradition where when a girls sibling has 
a child she is given the secrets, but Mexican aunts know how to make the 
greatest stuff. It could be that it's a secret and none of the males or female 
only child know about it.

 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 1:35 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

hmmm..  clove of garlic.   maybe that's the secret.

 

Crock pot is my preferred way to cook beans.Many of the experiments I've 
done in cooking from raw have been beans plus stuff in a crockpot.   Where 
stuff has been things like chilis.  I also make perfectly serviceable chili con 
Carne from scratch (won a chili cook-off one year in fact ), also in the 
crockpot.  Just haven't figured out this style of beans yet, but it hasn't been 
without trying.

 

I grew up in a family where garlic wasn't a typical ingredient and I've never 
really been a fan of strong garlic flavors, so it's an ingredient I overlook 
too often unless I'm following a recipe or know for a fact that it belongs.   I 
can't say that I've ever thrown a clove of garlic in while attempting the beans 
so this is something to try. 

 

 

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:52 PM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Buy a bag of pinto beans.  Clean them...put them is a crock pot with water, 
salt and clove of garlic.  You will see when they are cooked...you can eat them 
with muenster cheese and Jalapenos...to fry them, put them in a pan with a 
little bit of oil and smash them. To spice it up, cook some chorizo with it and 
cheese...

Enjoy...and use real tortillas, corn or flour...

 

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:16 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com> > wrote:

Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better than 
what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in the 
ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.  

 

What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few months 
ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.   Still no luck. 
 Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of the can.   I've 
tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.   Cooking beans and 
then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green chilis in them (this 
was closest so far). And on and on and on.

 

My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling ingredients:  
"Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt, Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"  

 

Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at various 
times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how they're cooked, 
or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient catchall of 
"Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my bean filling to 
taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or tacos.

 

My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured it out 
either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.

 

If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it would be 
much appreciated.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Utility bills

[Adam Moffett]

It has occurred to me that allowing things to take shape naturally and 
allowing 1-2 million people with underlying conditions to die might be 
the better course for the country economically.  That might include my 
wife and children who have asthma, so no.



On 4/10/2020 8:20 AM, justsumname . wrote:
Pretty safe assumption that 'most people' are not the least bit aware 
of many things.

And therefore not prepared for much of anything.

The virus isn't so bad, it's the people reacting to it.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:21 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


My own utility bills won't be different.  Kids are home schooled
so we
kept the heat up at 66 all day anyway.  It drops to 60 when people
should be in bed under their blankets.  I've spent more on home
improvement.  Lowes and Home Depot both deliver by the way, and my
weekends are not taken up by kids birthday parties, soccer games,
etc.
So I've been catching up on house projects. Meanwhile I've spent
next to
nothing on luxuries, restaurants, or entertainment.  My personal
financials before and after are probably a wash.  .though perhaps
I'm atypical.

Here's one prediction: https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/

About 2/3 of the way down: ""The economic slowdown and stay-at-home
orders are likely to affect U.S. electricity consumption over the
next
few months. EIA expects the largest impact will occur in the
commercial
sector where forecast retail sales of electricity fall by 4.7% in
2020
due to the closure of many businesses. Similarly, EIA expects retail
sales of electricity to the industrial sector will fall by 4.2% in
2020
as many factories cut back production. Forecast U.S. sales of
electricity to the residential sector fall by 0.8% in 2020, as
reduced
power usage resulting from milder winter and summer weather is
offset by
increased household electricity consumption as much of the population
stays at home.""

On 4/9/2020 4:28 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> I wonder how many people don't realize that by staying home all
day,
> their utility usage is going to be way up.  I'm surprised I haven't
> heard more about that being covered.  Keeping the house warmer all
> day, and the TV on all costs $$$.  It's not free, like the Internet.
>
> I'm also curious how much total energy usage has changed.  They say
> pollution is down because driving is down.  I think most heavy
> manufacturing is still up and running.  The office buildings can't
> change their HVAC programs because there are still a couple
people in
> the buildings working, especially if they're all remoteing into
their
> office desktop machines.  And daytime residential usage should be
> dramatically up.  Or is energy consumption based on the person,
and is
> directly tied to where that person is at?
>

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Steve Jones]

The secret is Mexican aunts. They are the only ones who can make the best
food. I dont know if there is some cultural tradition where when a girls
sibling has a child she is given the secrets, but Mexican aunts know how to
make the greatest stuff. It could be that it's a secret and none of the
males or female only child know about it.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, 1:35 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> hmmm..  clove of garlic.   maybe that's the secret.
>
> Crock pot is my preferred way to cook beans.Many of the experiments
> I've done in cooking from raw have been beans plus stuff in a crockpot.
> Where stuff has been things like chilis.  I also make perfectly serviceable
> chili con Carne from scratch (won a chili cook-off one year in fact ), also
> in the crockpot.  Just haven't figured out this style of beans yet, but it
> hasn't been without trying.
>
> I grew up in a family where garlic wasn't a typical ingredient and I've
> never really been a fan of strong garlic flavors, so it's an ingredient I
> overlook too often unless I'm following a recipe or know for a fact that it
> belongs.   I can't say that I've ever thrown a clove of garlic in while
> attempting the beans so this is something to try.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:52 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Buy a bag of pinto beans.  Clean them...put them is a crock pot with
>> water, salt and clove of garlic.  You will see when they are cooked...you
>> can eat them with muenster cheese and Jalapenos...to fry them, put them in
>> a pan with a little bit of oil and smash them. To spice it up, cook some
>> chorizo with it and cheese...
>> Enjoy...and use real tortillas, corn or flour...
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:16 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better
>>> than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in
>>> the ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.
>>>
>>> What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few
>>> months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.
>>>  Still no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of
>>> the can.   I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.
>>>  Cooking beans and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green
>>> chilis in them (this was closest so far). And on and on and on.
>>>
>>> My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling
>>> ingredients:  "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt,
>>> Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"
>>>
>>> Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at
>>> various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how
>>> they're cooked, or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient
>>> catchall of "Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my
>>> bean filling to taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or
>>> tacos.
>>>
>>> My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured
>>> it out either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.
>>>
>>> If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it
>>> would be much appreciated.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Utility bills

[justsumname .]

Pretty safe assumption that 'most people' are not the least bit aware of
many things.
And therefore not prepared for much of anything.

The virus isn't so bad, it's the people reacting to it.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:21 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> My own utility bills won't be different.  Kids are home schooled so we
> kept the heat up at 66 all day anyway.  It drops to 60 when people
> should be in bed under their blankets.  I've spent more on home
> improvement.  Lowes and Home Depot both deliver by the way, and my
> weekends are not taken up by kids birthday parties, soccer games, etc.
> So I've been catching up on house projects. Meanwhile I've spent next to
> nothing on luxuries, restaurants, or entertainment.  My personal
> financials before and after are probably a wash.  .though perhaps
> I'm atypical.
>
> Here's one prediction: https://www.eia.gov/outlooks/steo/report/
>
> About 2/3 of the way down: ""The economic slowdown and stay-at-home
> orders are likely to affect U.S. electricity consumption over the next
> few months. EIA expects the largest impact will occur in the commercial
> sector where forecast retail sales of electricity fall by 4.7% in 2020
> due to the closure of many businesses. Similarly, EIA expects retail
> sales of electricity to the industrial sector will fall by 4.2% in 2020
> as many factories cut back production. Forecast U.S. sales of
> electricity to the residential sector fall by 0.8% in 2020, as reduced
> power usage resulting from milder winter and summer weather is offset by
> increased household electricity consumption as much of the population
> stays at home.""
>
> On 4/9/2020 4:28 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > I wonder how many people don't realize that by staying home all day,
> > their utility usage is going to be way up.  I'm surprised I haven't
> > heard more about that being covered.  Keeping the house warmer all
> > day, and the TV on all costs $$$.  It's not free, like the Internet.
> >
> > I'm also curious how much total energy usage has changed.  They say
> > pollution is down because driving is down.  I think most heavy
> > manufacturing is still up and running.  The office buildings can't
> > change their HVAC programs because there are still a couple people in
> > the buildings working, especially if they're all remoteing into their
> > office desktop machines.  And daytime residential usage should be
> > dramatically up.  Or is energy consumption based on the person, and is
> > directly tied to where that person is at?
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Bean & Cheese Burrito Filling?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

hmmm..  clove of garlic.   maybe that's the secret.

Crock pot is my preferred way to cook beans.Many of the experiments
I've done in cooking from raw have been beans plus stuff in a crockpot.
Where stuff has been things like chilis.  I also make perfectly serviceable
chili con Carne from scratch (won a chili cook-off one year in fact ), also
in the crockpot.  Just haven't figured out this style of beans yet, but it
hasn't been without trying.

I grew up in a family where garlic wasn't a typical ingredient and I've
never really been a fan of strong garlic flavors, so it's an ingredient I
overlook too often unless I'm following a recipe or know for a fact that it
belongs.   I can't say that I've ever thrown a clove of garlic in while
attempting the beans so this is something to try.




On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 10:52 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Buy a bag of pinto beans.  Clean them...put them is a crock pot with
> water, salt and clove of garlic.  You will see when they are cooked...you
> can eat them with muenster cheese and Jalapenos...to fry them, put them in
> a pan with a little bit of oil and smash them. To spice it up, cook some
> chorizo with it and cheese...
> Enjoy...and use real tortillas, corn or flour...
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 5:16 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Over the years I've built up a set of recipes that are as good or better
>> than what I can get elsewhere.   Usually starting with a recipe which is in
>> the ballpark, and then tweaking it until it's to my liking.
>>
>> What continues to evade me is Burrito Filling.   I asked on here a few
>> months ago for pointers, and have since then tried a couple of times.
>>  Still no luck.  Not even close. I've tried to season refried beans out of
>> the can.   I've tried Canned beans of various types in the food processor.
>>  Cooking beans and then adding green chilis.   Cooking beans with the green
>> chilis in them (this was closest so far). And on and on and on.
>>
>> My favorite store-bought burritos have a simple set of filling
>> ingredients:  "Beans, Water, Cheddar Cheese, Green Chilies, Salt,
>> Dehydrated Onion, Spices,"
>>
>> Considering I've pretty much tried some combination of all of those at
>> various times, there has to be something I'm just missing.   Like how
>> they're cooked, or the proportions, or something hiding in the ingredient
>> catchall of "Spices".. And no it isn't chili powder or cumin... I want my
>> bean filling to taste like beans with chilies and cheese, not like chili or
>> tacos.
>>
>> My only saving grace is that it doesn't seem like Taco Hell has figured
>> it out either...although a lot of "authentic" mexican restaurants have.
>>
>> If anyone knows the right magic incantation or any more pointers,  it
>> would be much appreciated.
>>
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