Re: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City Facebook KTSM live at 7:00 PM tonight..

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Could not look; it requires a FB login. Got a different link?



bp



On 4/30/2020 4:53 PM, Jaime Solorza
  wrote:


  
  Chuck wanted a reminderI think they got my
good side..



  Watch us tonight
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City Facebook KTSM live at 7:00 PM tonight..

[Jaime Solorza]

We tried several platforms with no luck due to latencyso we recorded
ourselves and uploaded to YouTube...then Daniel our trumpet player imported
everything into his mixer and professional video and music systemhe
synced everything up...

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 8:40 PM  wrote:

> I wonder how they are doing American Idol this year.  It appears that they
> have a band and backup singers live.  If so it is all via an internet
> connection.  If so, I wonder how you get the latency low enough and how you
> get everyone in sync tight enough.
>
> I am guessing that the band is pre-recorded and the singer just sings
> along with a monitor/earpiece audio.
>
> I find it hard to believe a band could stay tight over a normal commodity
> internet connection.   Hard enough to do when you are all in the same
> room.
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:15 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City Facebook KTSM live at 7:00 PM
> tonight..
>
> I used to play lots of Chicago in stage band in HS.  Love this stuff.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 5:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Windy City Facebook KTSM live at 7:00 PM tonight..
>
> Chuck wanted a reminderI think they got my good side..
>
> Watch us tonight
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Steve Jones]

cambium always end up making right (except the 450/fsk ehem). they also
tend to ultimately be pretty transparent in post mortems

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:49 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

>
> +1
>
> On 4/30/2020 5:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > I've had a surprising number of people in the past week admit they got
> their work-from-home problems resolved and it wasn't "my Internet sucks",
> actually their company IT department found the problem was at their end.
> >
> > But yeah, it's like "who ya gonna call" but the answer isn't
> Ghostbusters, it's your ISP.  Because there's no number listed for "the
> cloud", and if there was, they wouldn't answer, or they would tell you to
> call your ISP.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:50 PM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?
> >
> > If it's in the cloud and broken, call your ISP.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 4/30/2020 1:41 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> >> On 4/30/20 7:15 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> >>> Cambium confirmed they are aware of an issue.   No details or ETA
> >>> yet.   Or even exactly whose issue it is.
> >>>
> >>> Big organizations have way way way too much faith in ‘cloud computing’.
> >>
> >> Somewhere along the line people have latched onto this idea that the
> >> more massively complex a system is that means it must be more reliable.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, I'm of the opinion that constantly increasing
> >> complexity leads to more failure points and makes it harder to
> >> troubleshoot when something does go wrong.
> >>
> >> Also if it's in the cloud it's someone else's fault.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City Facebook KTSM live at 7:00 PM tonight..

[chuck]

How did you guys do it?

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City Facebook KTSM live at 7:00 PM tonight..

I wonder how they are doing American Idol this year.  It appears that they have 
a band and backup singers live.  If so it is all via an internet connection.  
If so, I wonder how you get the latency low enough and how you get everyone in 
sync tight enough.  

I am guessing that the band is pre-recorded and the singer just sings along 
with a monitor/earpiece audio.  

I find it hard to believe a band could stay tight over a normal commodity 
internet connection.   Hard enough to do when you are all in the same room.  

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City Facebook KTSM live at 7:00 PM tonight..

I used to play lots of Chicago in stage band in HS.  Love this stuff.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 5:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City Facebook KTSM live at 7:00 PM tonight..

Chuck wanted a reminderI think they got my good side.. 

Watch us tonight
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City Facebook KTSM live at 7:00 PM tonight..

[chuck]

That was fun, thanks Jaime.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 5:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City Facebook KTSM live at 7:00 PM tonight..

Chuck wanted a reminderI think they got my good side.. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City Facebook KTSM live at 7:00 PM tonight..

[chuck]

I wonder how they are doing American Idol this year.  It appears that they have 
a band and backup singers live.  If so it is all via an internet connection.  
If so, I wonder how you get the latency low enough and how you get everyone in 
sync tight enough.  

I am guessing that the band is pre-recorded and the singer just sings along 
with a monitor/earpiece audio.  

I find it hard to believe a band could stay tight over a normal commodity 
internet connection.   Hard enough to do when you are all in the same room.  

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City Facebook KTSM live at 7:00 PM tonight..

I used to play lots of Chicago in stage band in HS.  Love this stuff.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 5:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City Facebook KTSM live at 7:00 PM tonight..

Chuck wanted a reminderI think they got my good side.. 

Watch us tonight
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: some good news!

[chuck]

Hard to beat TSLA lately...

From: justsumname . 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 6:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: some good news!


If you are skeptical of 'cryptocurrencies' ( like I am ) but find blockchain 
technology very compelling ( like I do ), then you might find this interesting.
No I don't work for the company.Yes I own some of their 'coin'.   (which is 
more like a utility token and not much like a currency)

Siacoin is not a cryptocurrency in the pop-culture-get-rich-quick sense, but 
all blockchains have a token.   If you want to buy storage space on their cloud 
storage system, you need siacoins, the Sia token. 

https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=twitter+siacoin&cat=web&pl=opensearch&language=english

Many questions have been asked and answered.   Over and over.

This is a functioning 'crypto' -coin with a real use case and will never be 
squashed by any govt because it does not compete with any govt.
Very impressed with this gang of developers.

We can go back to COVID-19 is gonna kill us all.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City Facebook KTSM live at 7:00 PM tonight..

[chuck]

I used to play lots of Chicago in stage band in HS.  Love this stuff.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 5:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Windy City Facebook KTSM live at 7:00 PM tonight..

Chuck wanted a reminderI think they got my good side.. 

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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Adam Moffett]

+1

On 4/30/2020 5:00 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I've had a surprising number of people in the past week admit they got their 
work-from-home problems resolved and it wasn't "my Internet sucks", actually 
their company IT department found the problem was at their end.

But yeah, it's like "who ya gonna call" but the answer isn't Ghostbusters, it's your ISP. 
 Because there's no number listed for "the cloud", and if there was, they wouldn't 
answer, or they would tell you to call your ISP.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

If it's in the cloud and broken, call your ISP.


bp


On 4/30/2020 1:41 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 4/30/20 7:15 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

Cambium confirmed they are aware of an issue.   No details or ETA
yet.   Or even exactly whose issue it is.

Big organizations have way way way too much faith in ‘cloud computing’.


Somewhere along the line people have latched onto this idea that the
more massively complex a system is that means it must be more reliable.

On the other hand, I'm of the opinion that constantly increasing
complexity leads to more failure points and makes it harder to
troubleshoot when something does go wrong.

Also if it's in the cloud it's someone else's fault.


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[AFMUG] OT: some good news!

[justsumname .]

If you are skeptical of 'cryptocurrencies' ( like I am ) but find
blockchain technology very compelling ( like I do ), then you might find
this interesting.
No I don't work for the company.Yes I own some of their 'coin'.
(which is more like a utility token and not much like a currency)

Siacoin is not a cryptocurrency in the pop-culture-get-rich-quick sense,
but all blockchains have a token.   If you want to buy storage space on
their cloud storage system, you need siacoins, the Sia token.

https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=twitter+siacoin&cat=web&pl=opensearch&language=english

Many questions have been asked and answered.   Over and over.

This is a functioning 'crypto' -coin with a real use case and will never be
squashed by any govt because it does not compete with any govt.
Very impressed with this gang of developers.

We can go back to COVID-19 is gonna kill us all.
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[AFMUG] OT: Windy City Facebook KTSM live at 7:00 PM tonight..

[Jaime Solorza]

Chuck wanted a reminderI think they got my good side..

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Re: [AFMUG] M-TOW Question

[Chuck McCown]

Yes

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> 
> I'm working with a tower with Angle Iron Legs.
> 
> The M-TOW-P bolt spacing fits around the the angle just fine.
> 
> Is the M-TOW-ANGLE-P2 horizontal bolt spacing the same as a normal M-TOW-P?
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] M-TOW Question

[Nate Burke]

Nevermind, I found the drawing.

On 4/30/2020 6:01 PM, Nate Burke wrote:

I'm working with a tower with Angle Iron Legs.

The M-TOW-P bolt spacing fits around the the angle just fine.

Is the M-TOW-ANGLE-P2 horizontal bolt spacing the same as a normal 
M-TOW-P?







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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Sean Heskett]

from cambium:

This message is being sent to CBRS customers whose service is associated
with Federated Wireless.



This morning at approximately 8:30 AM EDT, there was a surge in traffic
handled by the Federated Wireless Commercial SAS.  This resulted in an
outage.  The system stabilized and has been operating normally since
approximately 10:30 AM EDT.  Federated Wireless did an emergency upgrade to
increase the database pool size and SAS instances.  This was completed
around 3:00 PM EDT.  They are now running a manual CPAS run to authorize
any grants that are currently in 501 IAP pending.  This is expected to be
completed by 8:00 PM EDT tonight.



Cambium and Federated Wireless engineers met several times throughout the
day today to address the issues and are continuing to understand the source
of the surge in traffic.  We will be meeting at length tomorrow in a
working session to prioritize the ways to make the network more resilient.



It’s important to note that when this outage struck, Federated Wireless was
in the closing phase of testing a significant change in the SAS
traffic-handling architecture that was designed to address the root cause
of the previous outage.  They accelerated their final testing and released
the fix on an emergency basis today.



In light of the difficulties customers have experienced during our
inaugural month, we are suspending billing for April CBRS registrations.



We will continue to send out general announcements as we make progress.



Cambium CBRS Program Team

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:33 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.  Anybody
> else having Domain Proxy HTTP failures or heartbeat timeouts this morning?
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[AFMUG] M-TOW Question

[Nate Burke]

I'm working with a tower with Angle Iron Legs.

The M-TOW-P bolt spacing fits around the the angle just fine.

Is the M-TOW-ANGLE-P2 horizontal bolt spacing the same as a normal M-TOW-P?



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[AFMUG] OT - circus performer puts on driveway shows

[Ken Hohhof]

OK, a change from bitching about stuff.  This is pretty amazing.  We should
all have flaming headgear.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/circus-performer-puts-on-driveway-shows-amid-c
oronavirus-pandemic-82789957729

 

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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Mike Hammett]

Let's not forget that TDWR isn't the only (or even most common) incumbent user 
of the DFS band. Military is primary, but commercial weather radars are in 
there as well. 




I don't know there's a lot of spectrum that can be cleared and given away 
anymore. There's some, but usually clearing a band means it's auctioned off to 
mobile companies. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:57:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning? 

Many entities had a hand in defining CBRS including vendors and Winnforum and 
even WISPA. It was a lot of hard work and they seem to have done their best, 
and when it works, CBRS is a good thing. 

What I take away is that the FCC is overly enamored with "spectrum sharing" and 
dynamic, algorithmic methods like DFS and LBT. They seem to believe in magical 
solutions, and ignore the complexity and flaws when these things actually get 
implemented. I would actually argue that DFS and LBT are less complex than 
CBRS, but more flawed. One of the good things about CBRS actually is that it 
gets rid of LBT and the false detects and jumping to alternate frequencies 
after dead times. DFS also has false detects, yet is fundamentally flawed 
because only the AP monitors for radar, so it creates outages without really 
protecting what it is supposed to protect. The actual solution was to publish 
the TDWR locations and frequencies and to just not use those frequencies if you 
are anywhere near a TDWR. 

Now the next plan is to us a cloud based system to keep PtMP and WiFi users 
from interfering with 6 GHz Part 101 incumbents. Granted it is supposed to be 
more static and less complicated than CBRS and the SAS, updates once per day 
and whatnot. I just hope the FCC isn't engaging in their magical thinking 
again. They like to wave their magic wand, and leave it to others to define the 
details and do the implementation. I'm not sure they ever have to experience 
the results of their wand waving, or that they fully understand what happens 
when a bunch of people stuck at home during a pandemic have their 
work-from-home and school-from-home interrupted for even a few minutes because 
one of these complex, magical solutions hiccups. The FCC tells us all the time 
how essential broadband is, but then they treat it like some hobby that can 
share spectrum and operate on a best-effort basis like it's no big deal if it 
doesn't always work. 


-Original Message- 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:41 PM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning? 

On 4/30/20 7:15 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: 
> Cambium confirmed they are aware of an issue. No details or ETA yet. 
> Or even exactly whose issue it is. 
> 
> Big organizations have way way way too much faith in ‘cloud computing’. 


Somewhere along the line people have latched onto this idea that the more 
massively complex a system is that means it must be more reliable. 

On the other hand, I'm of the opinion that constantly increasing complexity 
leads to more failure points and makes it harder to troubleshoot when something 
does go wrong. 

Also if it's in the cloud it's someone else's fault. 

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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Ken Hohhof]

I've had a surprising number of people in the past week admit they got their 
work-from-home problems resolved and it wasn't "my Internet sucks", actually 
their company IT department found the problem was at their end.

But yeah, it's like "who ya gonna call" but the answer isn't Ghostbusters, it's 
your ISP.  Because there's no number listed for "the cloud", and if there was, 
they wouldn't answer, or they would tell you to call your ISP.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

If it's in the cloud and broken, call your ISP.


bp


On 4/30/2020 1:41 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 4/30/20 7:15 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
>> Cambium confirmed they are aware of an issue.   No details or ETA 
>> yet.   Or even exactly whose issue it is.
>>
>> Big organizations have way way way too much faith in ‘cloud computing’.
>
>
> Somewhere along the line people have latched onto this idea that the 
> more massively complex a system is that means it must be more reliable.
>
> On the other hand, I'm of the opinion that constantly increasing 
> complexity leads to more failure points and makes it harder to 
> troubleshoot when something does go wrong.
>
> Also if it's in the cloud it's someone else's fault.
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Ken Hohhof]

Many entities had a hand in defining CBRS including vendors and Winnforum and 
even WISPA.  It was a lot of hard work and they seem to have done their best, 
and when it works, CBRS is a good thing.

What I take away is that the FCC is overly enamored with "spectrum sharing" and 
dynamic, algorithmic methods like DFS and LBT.  They seem to believe in magical 
solutions, and ignore the complexity and flaws when these things actually get 
implemented.  I would actually argue that DFS and LBT are less complex than 
CBRS, but more flawed.  One of the good things about CBRS actually is that it 
gets rid of LBT and the false detects and jumping to alternate frequencies 
after dead times.  DFS also has false detects, yet is fundamentally flawed 
because only the AP monitors for radar, so it creates outages without really 
protecting what it is supposed to protect.  The actual solution was to publish 
the TDWR locations and frequencies and to just not use those frequencies if you 
are anywhere near a TDWR.

Now the next plan is to us a cloud based system to keep PtMP and WiFi users 
from interfering with 6 GHz Part 101 incumbents.  Granted it is supposed to be 
more static and less complicated than CBRS and the SAS, updates once per day 
and whatnot.  I just hope the FCC isn't engaging in their magical thinking 
again.  They like to wave their magic wand, and leave it to others to define 
the details and do the implementation.  I'm not sure they ever have to 
experience the results of their wand waving, or that they fully understand what 
happens when a bunch of people stuck at home during a pandemic have their 
work-from-home and school-from-home interrupted for even a few minutes because 
one of these complex, magical solutions hiccups.  The FCC tells us all the time 
how essential broadband is, but then they treat it like some hobby that can 
share spectrum and operate on a best-effort basis like it's no big deal if it 
doesn't always work.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:41 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

On 4/30/20 7:15 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> Cambium confirmed they are aware of an issue.   No details or ETA yet.   
> Or even exactly whose issue it is.
> 
> Big organizations have way way way too much faith in ‘cloud computing’.


Somewhere along the line people have latched onto this idea that the more 
massively complex a system is that means it must be more reliable.

On the other hand, I'm of the opinion that constantly increasing complexity 
leads to more failure points and makes it harder to troubleshoot when something 
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Bill Prince]

If it's in the cloud and broken, call your ISP.


bp


On 4/30/2020 1:41 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 4/30/20 7:15 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Cambium confirmed they are aware of an issue.   No details or ETA 
yet.   Or even exactly whose issue it is.


Big organizations have way way way too much faith in ‘cloud computing’.



Somewhere along the line people have latched onto this idea that the 
more massively complex a system is that means it must be more reliable.


On the other hand, I'm of the opinion that constantly increasing 
complexity leads to more failure points and makes it harder to 
troubleshoot when something does go wrong.


Also if it's in the cloud it's someone else's fault.



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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Steve Jones]

fault tolerance is the goal, but when you have a single northbound
interface, it doesnt matter how resilient everything behind it is

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 3:41 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 4/30/20 7:15 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> > Cambium confirmed they are aware of an issue.   No details or ETA yet.
> > Or even exactly whose issue it is.
> >
> > Big organizations have way way way too much faith in ‘cloud computing’.
>
>
> Somewhere along the line people have latched onto this idea that the
> more massively complex a system is that means it must be more reliable.
>
> On the other hand, I'm of the opinion that constantly increasing
> complexity leads to more failure points and makes it harder to
> troubleshoot when something does go wrong.
>
> Also if it's in the cloud it's someone else's fault.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 4/30/20 7:15 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Cambium confirmed they are aware of an issue.   No details or ETA yet.   
Or even exactly whose issue it is.


Big organizations have way way way too much faith in ‘cloud computing’.



Somewhere along the line people have latched onto this idea that the 
more massively complex a system is that means it must be more reliable.


On the other hand, I'm of the opinion that constantly increasing 
complexity leads to more failure points and makes it harder to 
troubleshoot when something does go wrong.


Also if it's in the cloud it's someone else's fault.

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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Ken Hohhof]

About 2 hours.

I don't expect to hear root cause for a couple days.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

How long did the outage last?  Did you hear what cause and resolution was?
We are about to move our first site to CBRS.


On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:33 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.  Anybody
else having Domain Proxy HTTP failures or heartbeat timeouts this morning?
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Matt]

How long did the outage last?  Did you hear what cause and resolution
was?  We are about to move our first site to CBRS.


On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:33 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.  Anybody else 
> having Domain Proxy HTTP failures or heartbeat timeouts this morning?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Splicing trailer

[Josh Luthman]

This is what we did.  Just a quick sawzall to the side of the door frame.
It's clearly not going to last, but for $1000 it'll do a neighborhood or
few.

I really didn't like the idea of feeding it through a window.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:17 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> I really like when the fiber door is cut into the frame of the access
> door.   Not having a specific size rectangle that the case has to fit
> through is nice.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 30, 2020, at 9:50 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Those are in boxes laying on the floor nearby.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:46 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splicing trailer
>
> Kinda need a spot for the fiber to go in don't ya?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 4:43 PM  wrote:
>
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Steve Jones]

Once we get CBRS going, we are waiting on commsearch, I have no intention
of doing workarounds like returning to part 90. I think its best we operate
SAS once we start and learn to deal with the consequences. Im assuming 2.0
will be delayed over the end of the world, but thats what this period is
for, working the bugs out. no one is forcing us to use CBRS. There will be
occasional outages. there is nothing on the planet that doesnt have
outages. The problem with reverting to part 90 every time theres an issue
is that we are still growing our networks, and at one point that wont be an
option anymore, only there are a huge number of customers and we cant
change. This is the time to see how well we can train our customers to deal
with the inevitable. Customers will shed, but the more that do, the more
likely the SAS administrators will respond with resiliency. matt hoppes
bitching at them about the cloud doesnt achieve much, thats what matt does.
but now matt hoppes bitching at them because hes shedding customers and is
going to take his revenue away from them, that carries a little more
weight. This is also the time to point customers to the FCC complaint
channel since its not the operator.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I am a little fuzzy on this part, but I think cnMaestro does all the
> tricks it can to keep from withdrawing a grant once issued.  I suspect if
> the SAS is unreachable or not responding, cnMaestro may do some kind of
> holdover like you mentioned.  The problem is if the SAS responds but with
> garbage or something that looks like it is withdrawing the authorization.
>
> As far as using more than one SAS, I think that is a firm no, unless you
> used one for part of your network and another for the rest of your network.
>
> When the heartbeats fail, the SMs will keep registering for a few seconds
> at a time so they can still communicate with the AP.  And yes you can go
> back to Part 90 operation, but I don't think you will be able to use
> 3550-3650.  If an extended outage happened, you could probably get
> customers back online that way, albeit with reduced performance.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 10:24 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?
>
> I don't know who assured you that outages wouldn't happen, but that seems
> like an irresponsible claim.  Was it the vendor sales channel?
>
> On the other hand there are clearly ways to make a service bullet proof.
> When was the last time Google DNS was down?
>
> Is SAS Redundnacy possible?  Like could Cambium set you up with both
> Federated and Google and fallback if one fails?
>
> Would the FCC be amenable to a 1 hour holdover if the SAS is unreachable?
>
> I'm just throwing ideas out there.  I'm not asking if we can sanitize the
> bugs out of the SAS with disinfectant or anything as dumb as that I hope.
>
>
> On 4/30/2020 10:59 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > I screamed this would happen -- I was assured not.
> >
> > On 4/30/20 9:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> Yop...
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:48 AM Tushar Patel  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Ken,
> >>
> >> Does this means your customers are not getting any service when
> >> such
> >> things happens?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Tushar
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>> Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.
> >>> Anybody else having Domain Proxy HTTP failures or heartbeat
> >>> timeouts this morning?
> >>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Robert]

Juvenile Cougars do that in front of my house...

On 4/30/20 8:51 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

They walk in front of my house too, but they bolt if I open the door.

On 4/30/2020 11:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Sometimes they are on my front lawn right outside my front door in 
the winter.
And there might be 6 of them staring you down as you walk perhaps 10' 
from them.

Spooky.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

I hadn't thought about a deer.  I've never seen them approach humans
intentionally.  I snore, so whatever it was there's no way it didn't
know I was there. ;)


On 4/30/2020 11:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
When we sit out on the front deck admiring the moon, planets, and 
stars, the wildlife will roam around just 50-100 feet away from us. 
I can tell you, the deer are the loudest; they snap twigs and make 
all sorts of noise. The mountain lions are silent.



bp


On 4/30/2020 7:16 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
On one of my backpacking trips I heard the distinctive scream of a 
wildcat in the early evening. That night while I was in my hammock 
I woke up when something was walking quietly around my hammock.  
I'm not sure if you know what I mean when I say I could feel its 
presence in the darkness, but that's exactly what it was like. It 
moved slowly and quietly, and I never saw what it was, but it was 
big enough to snap twigs under its feet.


I told people it was a cougar, but in hindsight I only made that 
leap because I heard the scream earlier.  Could have been a black 
bear.or worst of all it could have been a human.



On 4/29/2020 9:40 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a 
mountain lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of 
other animals as well.


bp


On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Saw a juvenile cougar outside. Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor 
reports a deer killed by cougar in his yard.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Adam Moffett]

They walk in front of my house too, but they bolt if I open the door.

On 4/30/2020 11:30 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Sometimes they are on my front lawn right outside my front door in the 
winter.
And there might be 6 of them staring you down as you walk perhaps 10' 
from them.

Spooky.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

I hadn't thought about a deer.  I've never seen them approach humans
intentionally.  I snore, so whatever it was there's no way it didn't
know I was there. ;)


On 4/30/2020 11:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
When we sit out on the front deck admiring the moon, planets, and 
stars, the wildlife will roam around just 50-100 feet away from us. I 
can tell you, the deer are the loudest; they snap twigs and make all 
sorts of noise. The mountain lions are silent.



bp


On 4/30/2020 7:16 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
On one of my backpacking trips I heard the distinctive scream of a 
wildcat in the early evening. That night while I was in my hammock I 
woke up when something was walking quietly around my hammock.  I'm 
not sure if you know what I mean when I say I could feel its 
presence in the darkness, but that's exactly what it was like. It 
moved slowly and quietly, and I never saw what it was, but it was 
big enough to snap twigs under its feet.


I told people it was a cougar, but in hindsight I only made that 
leap because I heard the scream earlier.  Could have been a black 
bear.or worst of all it could have been a human.



On 4/29/2020 9:40 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a 
mountain lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of 
other animals as well.


bp


On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Saw a juvenile cougar outside. Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor 
reports a deer killed by cougar in his yard.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Carl Peterson]

"Saw a juvenile cougar..."  Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:32 AM  wrote:

> I had about 6 elk run right by me when deer hunting once.  That made a
> noise.  That was scary too.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:27 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife
>
> I still recall the night, just about dusk when it's that in-between
> lighting between daylight and night. I was sitting on the front deck
> waiting for my wife to return from an outing. I might have had a beer.
>
> All of a sudden I heard this loud clatter as a deer came running up the
> driveway (our driveway curves off to the north about 100' from the
> house). I could see the shadow of the deer as it clopped along, very
> quickly, crossing from right to left (north to south). When it stepped
> off the driveway and into the grass, then on down into the canyon, you
> could hear the not-quite-as-loud thuds as it's hooves impacted the ground.
>
> A second or two later, another shadow came up in the same direction.
> This one was completely silent, but lower profile. I can't say it with
> 100% certainty, but there is no question in my mind it was a mountain
> lion in pursuit.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 4/30/2020 8:18 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> > I hadn't thought about a deer.  I've never seen them approach humans
> > intentionally.  I snore, so whatever it was there's no way it didn't
> know
> > I was there. ;)
> >
> >
> > On 4/30/2020 11:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >> When we sit out on the front deck admiring the moon, planets, and
> stars,
> >> the wildlife will roam around just 50-100 feet away from us. I can tell
> >> you, the deer are the loudest; they snap twigs and make all sorts of
> >> noise. The mountain lions are silent.
> >>
> >>
> >> bp
> >> 
> >>
> >> On 4/30/2020 7:16 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >>> On one of my backpacking trips I heard the distinctive scream of a
> >>> wildcat in the early evening. That night while I was in my hammock I
> >>> woke up when something was walking quietly around my hammock.  I'm not
> >>> sure if you know what I mean when I say I could feel its presence in
> the
> >>> darkness, but that's exactly what it was like. It moved slowly and
> >>> quietly, and I never saw what it was, but it was big enough to snap
> >>> twigs under its feet.
> >>>
> >>> I told people it was a cougar, but in hindsight I only made that leap
> >>> because I heard the scream earlier.  Could have been a black
> bear.or
> >>> worst of all it could have been a human.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 4/29/2020 9:40 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>  We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain
>  lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals
> as
>  well.
> 
>  bp
>  
> 
>  On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > Saw a juvenile cougar outside. Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports
> a
> > deer killed by cougar in his yard.
> > Sent from my iPhone
> 
> >>>
> >>
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Ken Hohhof]

I am a little fuzzy on this part, but I think cnMaestro does all the tricks it 
can to keep from withdrawing a grant once issued.  I suspect if the SAS is 
unreachable or not responding, cnMaestro may do some kind of holdover like you 
mentioned.  The problem is if the SAS responds but with garbage or something 
that looks like it is withdrawing the authorization.

As far as using more than one SAS, I think that is a firm no, unless you used 
one for part of your network and another for the rest of your network.

When the heartbeats fail, the SMs will keep registering for a few seconds at a 
time so they can still communicate with the AP.  And yes you can go back to 
Part 90 operation, but I don't think you will be able to use 3550-3650.  If an 
extended outage happened, you could probably get customers back online that 
way, albeit with reduced performance.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 10:24 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

I don't know who assured you that outages wouldn't happen, but that seems like 
an irresponsible claim.  Was it the vendor sales channel?

On the other hand there are clearly ways to make a service bullet proof.  When 
was the last time Google DNS was down?

Is SAS Redundnacy possible?  Like could Cambium set you up with both Federated 
and Google and fallback if one fails?

Would the FCC be amenable to a 1 hour holdover if the SAS is unreachable?

I'm just throwing ideas out there.  I'm not asking if we can sanitize the bugs 
out of the SAS with disinfectant or anything as dumb as that I hope.


On 4/30/2020 10:59 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> I screamed this would happen -- I was assured not.
>
> On 4/30/20 9:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Yop...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:48 AM Tushar Patel > > wrote:
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Does this means your customers are not getting any service when 
>> such
>> things happens?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tushar
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS. 
>>> Anybody else having Domain Proxy HTTP failures or heartbeat
>>> timeouts this morning?
>>>
>>> -- AF mailing list
>>> AF@af.afmug.com 
>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[chuck]

I had about 6 elk run right by me when deer hunting once.  That made a 
noise.  That was scary too.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:27 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

I still recall the night, just about dusk when it's that in-between
lighting between daylight and night. I was sitting on the front deck
waiting for my wife to return from an outing. I might have had a beer.

All of a sudden I heard this loud clatter as a deer came running up the
driveway (our driveway curves off to the north about 100' from the
house). I could see the shadow of the deer as it clopped along, very
quickly, crossing from right to left (north to south). When it stepped
off the driveway and into the grass, then on down into the canyon, you
could hear the not-quite-as-loud thuds as it's hooves impacted the ground.

A second or two later, another shadow came up in the same direction.
This one was completely silent, but lower profile. I can't say it with
100% certainty, but there is no question in my mind it was a mountain
lion in pursuit.


bp


On 4/30/2020 8:18 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I hadn't thought about a deer.  I've never seen them approach humans 
intentionally.  I snore, so whatever it was there's no way it didn't know 
I was there. ;)



On 4/30/2020 11:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
When we sit out on the front deck admiring the moon, planets, and stars, 
the wildlife will roam around just 50-100 feet away from us. I can tell 
you, the deer are the loudest; they snap twigs and make all sorts of 
noise. The mountain lions are silent.



bp


On 4/30/2020 7:16 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
On one of my backpacking trips I heard the distinctive scream of a 
wildcat in the early evening. That night while I was in my hammock I 
woke up when something was walking quietly around my hammock.  I'm not 
sure if you know what I mean when I say I could feel its presence in the 
darkness, but that's exactly what it was like. It moved slowly and 
quietly, and I never saw what it was, but it was big enough to snap 
twigs under its feet.


I told people it was a cougar, but in hindsight I only made that leap 
because I heard the scream earlier.  Could have been a black bear.or 
worst of all it could have been a human.



On 4/29/2020 9:40 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain 
lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals as 
well.


bp


On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Saw a juvenile cougar outside. Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports a 
deer killed by cougar in his yard.

Sent from my iPhone










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Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[chuck]

Sometimes they are on my front lawn right outside my front door in the 
winter.
And there might be 6 of them staring you down as you walk perhaps 10' from 
them.

Spooky.

-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:18 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

I hadn't thought about a deer.  I've never seen them approach humans
intentionally.  I snore, so whatever it was there's no way it didn't
know I was there. ;)


On 4/30/2020 11:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
When we sit out on the front deck admiring the moon, planets, and stars, 
the wildlife will roam around just 50-100 feet away from us. I can tell 
you, the deer are the loudest; they snap twigs and make all sorts of 
noise. The mountain lions are silent.



bp


On 4/30/2020 7:16 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
On one of my backpacking trips I heard the distinctive scream of a 
wildcat in the early evening.  That night while I was in my hammock I 
woke up when something was walking quietly around my hammock.  I'm not 
sure if you know what I mean when I say I could feel its presence in the 
darkness, but that's exactly what it was like. It moved slowly and 
quietly, and I never saw what it was, but it was big enough to snap twigs 
under its feet.


I told people it was a cougar, but in hindsight I only made that leap 
because I heard the scream earlier.  Could have been a black bear.or 
worst of all it could have been a human.



On 4/29/2020 9:40 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain 
lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals as 
well.


bp


On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Saw a juvenile cougar outside.  Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports a 
deer killed by cougar in his yard.

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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Adam Moffett]

Interesting thought.

On 4/30/2020 11:28 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Figure out how to spoof it.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:04 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?
I plan on this not being an issue when the onboard commsearch. That's 
a joke. It's always going to be an issue with all SAS administrators. 
I just have people's numbers at commsearch so I can call and feel like 
the fat kid from the Simpson's who is helping

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 9:46 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

We have sessions up now for over 20 minutes so I’m guessing they
fixed something.  Which could mean they rebooted the server, I
don’t know.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:24 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

Yes.

I have confirmation from Cambium that there is a problem with
Federated and they are working on it.

Last time something similar happened, Internet outages had
triggered a flood of registration requests and the SAS was sending
garbled responses, supposedly Federated greatly increased their
server capacity to prevent this in the future.  I may be
remembering wrong, but I think the bad responses are worse than
just a timeout as far as radios having to stop transmitting.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel
*Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:48 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

Ken,

Does this means your customers are not getting any service when
such things happens?

Tushar

On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.
Anybody else having Domain Proxy HTTP failures or heartbeat
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[chuck]

Figure out how to spoof it.

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

I plan on this not being an issue when the onboard commsearch. That's a joke. 
It's always going to be an issue with all SAS administrators. I just have 
people's numbers at commsearch so I can call and feel like the fat kid from the 
Simpson's who is helping

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 9:46 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  We have sessions up now for over 20 minutes so I’m guessing they fixed 
something.  Which could mean they rebooted the server, I don’t know.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:24 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?



  Yes.



  I have confirmation from Cambium that there is a problem with Federated and 
they are working on it.



  Last time something similar happened, Internet outages had triggered a flood 
of registration requests and the SAS was sending garbled responses, supposedly 
Federated greatly increased their server capacity to prevent this in the 
future.  I may be remembering wrong, but I think the bad responses are worse 
than just a timeout as far as radios having to stop transmitting.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Tushar Patel
  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:48 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?



  Ken,



  Does this means your customers are not getting any service when such things 
happens?





  Tushar





On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:



Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.  Anybody else 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Bill Prince]

I still recall the night, just about dusk when it's that in-between 
lighting between daylight and night. I was sitting on the front deck 
waiting for my wife to return from an outing. I might have had a beer.


All of a sudden I heard this loud clatter as a deer came running up the 
driveway (our driveway curves off to the north about 100' from the 
house). I could see the shadow of the deer as it clopped along, very 
quickly, crossing from right to left (north to south). When it stepped 
off the driveway and into the grass, then on down into the canyon, you 
could hear the not-quite-as-loud thuds as it's hooves impacted the ground.


A second or two later, another shadow came up in the same direction. 
This one was completely silent, but lower profile. I can't say it with 
100% certainty, but there is no question in my mind it was a mountain 
lion in pursuit.



bp


On 4/30/2020 8:18 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I hadn't thought about a deer.  I've never seen them approach humans 
intentionally.  I snore, so whatever it was there's no way it didn't 
know I was there. ;)



On 4/30/2020 11:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
When we sit out on the front deck admiring the moon, planets, and 
stars, the wildlife will roam around just 50-100 feet away from us. I 
can tell you, the deer are the loudest; they snap twigs and make all 
sorts of noise. The mountain lions are silent.



bp


On 4/30/2020 7:16 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
On one of my backpacking trips I heard the distinctive scream of a 
wildcat in the early evening. That night while I was in my hammock I 
woke up when something was walking quietly around my hammock.  I'm 
not sure if you know what I mean when I say I could feel its 
presence in the darkness, but that's exactly what it was like. It 
moved slowly and quietly, and I never saw what it was, but it was 
big enough to snap twigs under its feet.


I told people it was a cougar, but in hindsight I only made that 
leap because I heard the scream earlier.  Could have been a black 
bear.or worst of all it could have been a human.



On 4/29/2020 9:40 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a 
mountain lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of 
other animals as well.


bp


On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Saw a juvenile cougar outside. Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor 
reports a deer killed by cougar in his yard.

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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Since CBRS deadline was extended does that mean you can put your AP's back
in the mode they were running in before the SAS implementation went into
effect just to get the customers back online?

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:05 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I plan on this not being an issue when the onboard commsearch. That's a
> joke. It's always going to be an issue with all SAS administrators. I just
> have people's numbers at commsearch so I can call and feel like the fat kid
> from the Simpson's who is helping
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 9:46 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> We have sessions up now for over 20 minutes so I’m guessing they fixed
>> something.  Which could mean they rebooted the server, I don’t know.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:24 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have confirmation from Cambium that there is a problem with Federated
>> and they are working on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Last time something similar happened, Internet outages had triggered a
>> flood of registration requests and the SAS was sending garbled responses,
>> supposedly Federated greatly increased their server capacity to prevent
>> this in the future.  I may be remembering wrong, but I think the bad
>> responses are worse than just a timeout as far as radios having to stop
>> transmitting.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel
>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:48 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>>
>>
>> Does this means your customers are not getting any service when such
>> things happens?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Tushar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.  Anybody
>> else having Domain Proxy HTTP failures or heartbeat timeouts this morning?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Adam Moffett]

I don't know who assured you that outages wouldn't happen, but that 
seems like an irresponsible claim.  Was it the vendor sales channel?


On the other hand there are clearly ways to make a service bullet 
proof.  When was the last time Google DNS was down?


Is SAS Redundnacy possible?  Like could Cambium set you up with both 
Federated and Google and fallback if one fails?


Would the FCC be amenable to a 1 hour holdover if the SAS is unreachable?

I'm just throwing ideas out there.  I'm not asking if we can sanitize 
the bugs out of the SAS with disinfectant or anything as dumb as that I 
hope.



On 4/30/2020 10:59 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

I screamed this would happen -- I was assured not.

On 4/30/20 9:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Yop...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:48 AM Tushar Patel > wrote:


    Ken,

    Does this means your customers are not getting any service when such
    things happens?



    Tushar



    On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

    

    Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS. 
    Anybody else having Domain Proxy HTTP failures or heartbeat

    timeouts this morning?

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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Ken Hohhof]

At least Cambium seems to have email lists for the customers using each SAS so 
they can send bulk updates.  That’s better than all of us trying to open 
tickets.

 

Without trying to paper over the fact that outages like this suck, I will say 
that Cambium’s cnMaestro support team seems quite good.

 

I guess we could just tell our customers the Navy must have had a carrier 
strike group in Lake Michigan and kicked us off our frequencies.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 10:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

 

I plan on this not being an issue when the onboard commsearch. That's a joke. 
It's always going to be an issue with all SAS administrators. I just have 
people's numbers at commsearch so I can call and feel like the fat kid from the 
Simpson's who is helping

 

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 9:46 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

We have sessions up now for over 20 minutes so I’m guessing they fixed 
something.  Which could mean they rebooted the server, I don’t know.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:24 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

 

Yes.

 

I have confirmation from Cambium that there is a problem with Federated and 
they are working on it.

 

Last time something similar happened, Internet outages had triggered a flood of 
registration requests and the SAS was sending garbled responses, supposedly 
Federated greatly increased their server capacity to prevent this in the 
future.  I may be remembering wrong, but I think the bad responses are worse 
than just a timeout as far as radios having to stop transmitting.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Tushar Patel
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

 

Ken,

 

Does this means your customers are not getting any service when such things 
happens?

 

 

Tushar

 

 

On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



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Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Adam Moffett]

I hadn't thought about a deer.  I've never seen them approach humans 
intentionally.  I snore, so whatever it was there's no way it didn't 
know I was there. ;)



On 4/30/2020 11:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
When we sit out on the front deck admiring the moon, planets, and 
stars, the wildlife will roam around just 50-100 feet away from us. I 
can tell you, the deer are the loudest; they snap twigs and make all 
sorts of noise. The mountain lions are silent.



bp


On 4/30/2020 7:16 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
On one of my backpacking trips I heard the distinctive scream of a 
wildcat in the early evening.  That night while I was in my hammock I 
woke up when something was walking quietly around my hammock.  I'm 
not sure if you know what I mean when I say I could feel its presence 
in the darkness, but that's exactly what it was like. It moved slowly 
and quietly, and I never saw what it was, but it was big enough to 
snap twigs under its feet.


I told people it was a cougar, but in hindsight I only made that leap 
because I heard the scream earlier.  Could have been a black 
bear.or worst of all it could have been a human.



On 4/29/2020 9:40 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain 
lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals 
as well.


bp


On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Saw a juvenile cougar outside.  Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor 
reports a deer killed by cougar in his yard.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Bill Prince]

When we sit out on the front deck admiring the moon, planets, and stars, 
the wildlife will roam around just 50-100 feet away from us. I can tell 
you, the deer are the loudest; they snap twigs and make all sorts of 
noise. The mountain lions are silent.



bp


On 4/30/2020 7:16 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
On one of my backpacking trips I heard the distinctive scream of a 
wildcat in the early evening.  That night while I was in my hammock I 
woke up when something was walking quietly around my hammock.  I'm not 
sure if you know what I mean when I say I could feel its presence in 
the darkness, but that's exactly what it was like. It moved slowly and 
quietly, and I never saw what it was, but it was big enough to snap 
twigs under its feet.


I told people it was a cougar, but in hindsight I only made that leap 
because I heard the scream earlier.  Could have been a black 
bear.or worst of all it could have been a human.



On 4/29/2020 9:40 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain 
lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals 
as well.


bp


On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Saw a juvenile cougar outside.  Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports 
a deer killed by cougar in his yard.

Sent from my iPhone






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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Steve Jones]

I plan on this not being an issue when the onboard commsearch. That's a
joke. It's always going to be an issue with all SAS administrators. I just
have people's numbers at commsearch so I can call and feel like the fat kid
from the Simpson's who is helping

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 9:46 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> We have sessions up now for over 20 minutes so I’m guessing they fixed
> something.  Which could mean they rebooted the server, I don’t know.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:24 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?
>
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
>
> I have confirmation from Cambium that there is a problem with Federated
> and they are working on it.
>
>
>
> Last time something similar happened, Internet outages had triggered a
> flood of registration requests and the SAS was sending garbled responses,
> supposedly Federated greatly increased their server capacity to prevent
> this in the future.  I may be remembering wrong, but I think the bad
> responses are worse than just a timeout as far as radios having to stop
> transmitting.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?
>
>
>
> Ken,
>
>
>
> Does this means your customers are not getting any service when such
> things happens?
>
>
>
>
>
> Tushar
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.  Anybody
> else having Domain Proxy HTTP failures or heartbeat timeouts this morning?
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Matt Hoppes]

I screamed this would happen -- I was assured not.

On 4/30/20 9:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Yop...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:48 AM Tushar Patel > wrote:


Ken,

Does this means your customers are not getting any service when such
things happens?



Tushar



On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:



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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[dave]

This reminds of the Southpark episode when Stan had to reboot the giant 
blu faced linksys router and was right with the world afterwards LOL!



On 4/30/20 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


We have sessions up now for over 20 minutes so I’m guessing they fixed 
something.  Which could mean they rebooted the server, I don’t know.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:24 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

Yes.

I have confirmation from Cambium that there is a problem with 
Federated and they are working on it.


Last time something similar happened, Internet outages had triggered a 
flood of registration requests and the SAS was sending garbled 
responses, supposedly Federated greatly increased their server 
capacity to prevent this in the future.  I may be remembering wrong, 
but I think the bad responses are worse than just a timeout as far as 
radios having to stop transmitting.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel

*Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:48 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

Ken,

Does this means your customers are not getting any service when such 
things happens?


Tushar

On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:



Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS. 
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Ken Hohhof]

We have sessions up now for over 20 minutes so I’m guessing they fixed 
something.  Which could mean they rebooted the server, I don’t know.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:24 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

 

Yes.

 

I have confirmation from Cambium that there is a problem with Federated and 
they are working on it.

 

Last time something similar happened, Internet outages had triggered a flood of 
registration requests and the SAS was sending garbled responses, supposedly 
Federated greatly increased their server capacity to prevent this in the 
future.  I may be remembering wrong, but I think the bad responses are worse 
than just a timeout as far as radios having to stop transmitting.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Tushar Patel
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

 

Ken,

 

Does this means your customers are not getting any service when such things 
happens?

 

 

Tushar

 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Ken Hohhof]

Foxes can make these blood curdling screams at night.  I think maybe mating 
sounds or something.  In actuality they are cute little fellers not a threat 
like coyotes unless you have a really tiny purse dog maybe.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:16 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

On one of my backpacking trips I heard the distinctive scream of a wildcat in 
the early evening.  That night while I was in my hammock I woke up when 
something was walking quietly around my hammock.  I'm not sure if you know what 
I mean when I say I could feel its presence in the darkness, but that's exactly 
what it was like. It moved slowly and quietly, and I never saw what it was, but 
it was big enough to snap twigs under its feet.

I told people it was a cougar, but in hindsight I only made that leap because I 
heard the scream earlier.  Could have been a black bear.or worst of all it 
could have been a human.


On 4/29/2020 9:40 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain 
> lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals 
> as well.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Saw a juvenile cougar outside.  Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports 
>> a deer killed by cougar in his yard.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] Splicing trailer

[chuck]

We may do it depending on the internal structure of the door.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:16 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splicing trailer

I really like when the fiber door is cut into the frame of the access door.   
Not having a specific size rectangle that the case has to fit through is nice. 

Mark



  On Apr 30, 2020, at 9:50 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Those are in boxes laying on the floor nearby.  

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:46 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splicing trailer

  Kinda need a spot for the fiber to go in don't ya?


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Ken Hohhof]

That’s excellent.  Why didn’t I think of lucha libre masks.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 9:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

Here you go gents...

https://www.news18.com/amp/news/sports/in-mexico-lucha-libre-wrestling-masks-en-vogue-in-coronavirus-fight-2591953.html

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 6:15 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I can think of many masks from movies that would be fine.  The Man in the Iron 
Mask, Hannibal Lechter, Bane, The Gimp.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

Hey, the mask is to protect other people, not the wearer... a loaner will work 
just fine...

 

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:45 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Loaner masks...

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:17 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

I think he ran back out when the young woman staffing the entrance started 
summoning a manager.

 

I am reminded of restaurants that require a coat and tie, but have loaners for 
people (like American tourists) who didn’t come prepared.  It would be nice to 
have disposable masks for people who didn’t bring one.  But where can anyone 
buy masks (or hand sanitizer) these days?  At least the stores have toilet 
paper again.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

So, did he get in?

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:



Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a guy 
being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.

 

Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the 
number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way 
arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether they 
need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in the store 
(Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or cones to guide 
people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I stopped at today 
is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear masks, the state order 
only requires a mask in places where you can’t do social distancing.

 

Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.  
Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart, and 
elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling him that 
he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I angled my cart to 
block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s assault.  Given that 
he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze past and refusing to 
follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really seemed like he was the 
one doing the assaulting.

 

Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone other 
than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their rules.  If I 
didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not tried to force 
my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any issues, they were 
peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess people up, but just because 
they’re new and confusing.

 

As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t mess 
things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with 
appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their rights 
by coughing and sneezing on others.

 

I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom by 
taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of other 
faiths or traveling overseas.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

 

Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, Stereo Infrared cameras and infrared 
illuminator to kill virus... ventilation and Tecate dispenser in the works .

https://photos.app.goo.gl/HU859ujjL89Vpxzi6

 

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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Ken Hohhof]

Yes.

 

I have confirmation from Cambium that there is a problem with Federated and 
they are working on it.

 

Last time something similar happened, Internet outages had triggered a flood of 
registration requests and the SAS was sending garbled responses, supposedly 
Federated greatly increased their server capacity to prevent this in the 
future.  I may be remembering wrong, but I think the bad responses are worse 
than just a timeout as far as radios having to stop transmitting.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Tushar Patel
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:48 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

 

Ken,

 

Does this means your customers are not getting any service when such things 
happens?

 

 

Tushar

 





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Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.  Anybody else 
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Nate Burke]

Cloud Computing makes perfect sense.  Then it's always 'Not our 
problem'  or a '3rd party issue'  Your organization always remains 
perfect


On 4/30/2020 9:15 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Cambium confirmed they are aware of an issue.   No details or ETA yet. 
  Or even exactly whose issue it is.


Big organizations have way way way too much faith in ‘cloud computing’.

Mark

On Apr 30, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


Yop...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:48 AM Tushar Patel > wrote:


Ken,

Does this means your customers are not getting any service when
such things happens?



Tushar



On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:



Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS. 
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Josh Baird]

It's most often the fault of the engineers designing the application(s) on
the cloud, not the cloud it's self.

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:16 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Cambium confirmed they are aware of an issue.   No details or ETA yet.
> Or even exactly whose issue it is.
>
> Big organizations have way way way too much faith in ‘cloud computing’.
>
> Mark
>
> On Apr 30, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> Yop...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:48 AM Tushar Patel  wrote:
>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Does this means your customers are not getting any service when such
>> things happens?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tushar
>>
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.  Anybody
>> else having Domain Proxy HTTP failures or heartbeat timeouts this morning?
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[dave]

I havent seen any since moving to CBRS but we use google.


On 4/30/20 9:15 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Cambium confirmed they are aware of an issue.   No details or ETA yet. 
  Or even exactly whose issue it is.


Big organizations have way way way too much faith in ‘cloud computing’.

Mark

On Apr 30, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


Yop...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:48 AM Tushar Patel > wrote:


Ken,

Does this means your customers are not getting any service when
such things happens?



Tushar



On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:



Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS. 
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Mark Radabaugh]

Cambium confirmed they are aware of an issue.   No details or ETA yet.   Or 
even exactly whose issue it is.

Big organizations have way way way too much faith in ‘cloud computing’.   

Mark

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> Yop...
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> 
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:48 AM Tushar Patel  > wrote:
> Ken,
> 
> Does this means your customers are not getting any service when such things 
> happens?
> 
> 
> 
> Tushar
> 
> 
>> On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.  Anybody else 
>> having Domain Proxy HTTP failures or heartbeat timeouts this morning?
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Re: [AFMUG] Splicing trailer

[Mark Radabaugh]

I really like when the fiber door is cut into the frame of the access door.   
Not having a specific size rectangle that the case has to fit through is nice.

Mark

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 9:50 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> Those are in boxes laying on the floor nearby. 
>  
> From: Josh Luthman <>
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:46 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splicing trailer
>  
> Kinda need a spot for the fiber to go in don't ya?
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Adam Moffett]

On one of my backpacking trips I heard the distinctive scream of a 
wildcat in the early evening.  That night while I was in my hammock I 
woke up when something was walking quietly around my hammock.  I'm not 
sure if you know what I mean when I say I could feel its presence in the 
darkness, but that's exactly what it was like. It moved slowly and 
quietly, and I never saw what it was, but it was big enough to snap 
twigs under its feet.


I told people it was a cougar, but in hindsight I only made that leap 
because I heard the scream earlier.  Could have been a black bear.or 
worst of all it could have been a human.



On 4/29/2020 9:40 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain 
lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals 
as well.


bp


On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Saw a juvenile cougar outside.  Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports 
a deer killed by cougar in his yard.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[chuck]

My wife has always allowed me to look at the tomatoes as long as I didn’t 
squeeze them.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:07 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

Lol perfect Steve...I got busted pausing on hot weather girl on news last 
night"oh you really care about the weather in Miami?", asked my wife...

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 7:53 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  you and your wife must have a pretty cool relationship, mine smacks me every 
time i look at cougars

  On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 8:41 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain 
lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals as 
well.

bp


On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> Saw a juvenile cougar outside.  Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports a 
deer killed by cougar in his yard.
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [AFMUG] OT wildlife

[Jaime Solorza]

Lol perfect Steve...I got busted pausing on hot weather girl on news
last night"oh you really care about the weather in Miami?", asked my
wife...

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 7:53 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> you and your wife must have a pretty cool relationship, mine smacks me
> every time i look at cougars
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 8:41 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> We have camera traps set up around our property. We catch a mountain
>> lion (AKA cougar) two or three times a month. A lot of other animals as
>> well.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 4/29/2020 5:55 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > Saw a juvenile cougar outside.  Pretty cool sight.  Neighbor reports a
>> deer killed by cougar in his yard.
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Jaime Solorza]

Here you go gents...
https://www.news18.com/amp/news/sports/in-mexico-lucha-libre-wrestling-masks-en-vogue-in-coronavirus-fight-2591953.html

On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 6:15 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I can think of many masks from movies that would be fine.  The Man in the
> Iron Mask, Hannibal Lechter, Bane, The Gimp.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
>
> Hey, the mask is to protect other people, not the wearer... a loaner will
> work just fine...
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:45 PM  wrote:
>
> Loaner masks...
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:17 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
>
> I think he ran back out when the young woman staffing the entrance started
> summoning a manager.
>
>
>
> I am reminded of restaurants that require a coat and tie, but have loaners
> for people (like American tourists) who didn’t come prepared.  It would be
> nice to have disposable masks for people who didn’t bring one.  But where
> can anyone buy masks (or hand sanitizer) these days?  At least the stores
> have toilet paper again.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
>
>
> So, did he get in?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Good luck.  I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a
> guy being a huge jerk.  I hope this was an isolated case.
>
>
>
> Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the
> number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way
> arrows on alternating aisles.  Some are giving each person a cart whether
> they need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in
> the store (Home Depot is even doing this).  Many are also using tape or
> cones to guide people into the entrance in case there is a line.  The one I
> stopped at today is the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear
> masks, the state order only requires a mask in places where you can’t do
> social distancing.
>
>
>
> Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above.
> Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart,
> and elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling
> him that he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager.  When I
> angled my cart to block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s
> assault.  Given that he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze
> past and refusing to follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really
> seemed like he was the one doing the assaulting.
>
>
>
> Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone
> other than employees to wear face masks.  But it’s their store, their
> rules.  If I didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not
> tried to force my way in.  Nobody else in the store seemed to have any
> issues, they were peacefully shopping.  The one-way aisles still mess
> people up, but just because they’re new and confusing.
>
>
>
> As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t
> mess things up for everyone.  I think a lot of things could open up, with
> appropriate modifications.  But not if somebody wants to express their
> rights by coughing and sneezing on others.
>
>
>
> I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom
> by taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of
> other faiths or traveling overseas.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping
>
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Josh Luthman]

Yop...

Josh Luthman
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:48 AM Tushar Patel  wrote:

> Ken,
>
> Does this means your customers are not getting any service when such
> things happens?
>
>
>
> Tushar
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.  Anybody
> else having Domain Proxy HTTP failures or heartbeat timeouts this morning?
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Re: [AFMUG] Splicing trailer

[chuck]

Those are in boxes laying on the floor nearby.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Splicing trailer

Kinda need a spot for the fiber to go in don't ya?


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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Tushar Patel]

Ken,

Does this means your customers are not getting any service when such things 
happens?



Tushar


> On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.  Anybody else 
> having Domain Proxy HTTP failures or heartbeat timeouts this morning?
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Re: [AFMUG] Splicing trailer

[Josh Luthman]

Kinda need a spot for the fiber to go in don't ya?

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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[David Coudron]

We had an issue with heartbeats and Google SAS, but are pretty sure it was 
related to an unplanned outage our DIA provider had last night.   However, this 
gives us a reason to look at this a little harder.   We’ll take a look.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:40 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

Same here

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:33 AM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.  Anybody else 
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Scott]

Same here

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 8:33 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.  Anybody
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[AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Ken Hohhof]

Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.  Anybody else
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping

[Mike Hammett]

I guess we're all Slipknot fans now? 




- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:12:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping 


The issue with loaning masks is that the person borrowing it may be infected. 
It protects other people except those that borrow the master of somebody who 
has an infection. in our town we recently had 35 people get infected within a 
day because this food manufacturing company was providing Mass to its employees 
as part of its standard food preparation program. So infected people put it on 
mass then put them in a common box which were then shared by the on the next 
shift by those who are not infected infecting almost the entire plant. 


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020, 7:02 PM Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Hey, the mask is to protect other people, not the wearer... a loaner will work 
just fine... 


On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 6:45 PM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






Loaner masks... 




From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 5:17 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping 



I think he ran back out when the young woman staffing the entrance started 
summoning a manager. 

I am reminded of restaurants that require a coat and tie, but have loaners for 
people (like American tourists) who didn’t come prepared. It would be nice to 
have disposable masks for people who didn’t bring one. But where can anyone buy 
masks (or hand sanitizer) these days? At least the stores have toilet paper 
again. 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 6:00 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping 

So, did he get in? 

Sent from my iPhone 






On Apr 29, 2020, at 4:36 PM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 






Good luck. I had my first bad experience today at a grocery store with a guy 
being a huge jerk. I hope this was an isolated case. 

Many of the stores here are separating the entrance and exit, limiting the 
number of people in the store, marking 6 ft lines at registers and one way 
arrows on alternating aisles. Some are giving each person a cart whether they 
need one or not because that is how they count how many people are in the store 
(Home Depot is even doing this). Many are also using tape or cones to guide 
people into the entrance in case there is a line. The one I stopped at today is 
the first one that was requiring shoppers to wear masks, the state order only 
requires a mask in places where you can’t do social distancing. 

Anyway, some guy came up right after me and disregarded all of the above. 
Jumped the cones at the entrance, didn’t have a mask, wouldn’t take a cart, and 
elbowed his way past me trying to escape the greeter who was telling him that 
he needed to wear a mask and shouting for a manager. When I angled my cart to 
block his path he started shouting that’s assault, that’s assault. Given that 
he was pushing between me and the shelves to squeeze past and refusing to 
follow the store’s social distancing rules, it really seemed like he was the 
one doing the assaulting. 

Hey, this is the only store I’ve been to that actually requires anyone other 
than employees to wear face masks. But it’s their store, their rules. If I 
didn’t already have my mask with me, I would have left and not tried to force 
my way in. Nobody else in the store seemed to have any issues, they were 
peacefully shopping. The one-way aisles still mess people up, but just because 
they’re new and confusing. 

As things start selectively opening up, I hope this tiny minority doesn’t mess 
things up for everyone. I think a lot of things could open up, with appropriate 
modifications. But not if somebody wants to express their rights by coughing 
and sneezing on others. 

I assume these are the “ugly Americans” who refuse to follow local custom by 
taking off their shoes or covering their heads when visiting churches of other 
faiths or traveling overseas. 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 4:55 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Getting ready to go grocery shopping 


Work in progress...WiFi, LTE, 5G, Stereo Infrared cameras and infrared 
illuminator to kill virus... ventilation and Tecate dispenser in the works . 

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