Re: [AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing

[Steve Jones]

It doesnt hurt if you're remote hands to not send your least experienced
guy. We used to contract doing that stuff when I first started with the
partner company. Got sent to a college campus server room to deal with a
RAID issue. I didnt know what that was. On the phone with the customers IT
dealing with a boot issue he had me boot to the raid controller (I didnt
know what that meant, told him and he gave me the key sequence)
He had me poke around, reading off things. After a while he has me read the
menu options, one of which is delete array. He says to select that. I
verbally verify, even being a fresh dolt I know deleting stuff when
troubleshooting is pretty extreme. They verify, I select the option. The
are you sure pops up, again I verify. I select y. As I'm hitting return
comes "wait". Too late.

Needless to say, that service call ultimately was escalated to staff on
site. I'm guessing now that I know what I did that I got thrown under the
bus. This was long before virtualization. Hopefully they had good tape,
because, you know, everybody periodically spun up their tapes to verify
integrity of the backups.

With as litigious as it is out there now, i dont know that I'd take that
kind of risk being remote hands for anything i dont understand.


On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:11 PM Daniel White  wrote:

> Datacenters we are in charge around $150 an hour with a one hour minimum.
> I'd says they are smart as in they can follow directions and do some simple
> things for you.  But those are for techs that are already onsite, provide
> NOC services for the DC and remote hands services for anyone co-located
> there as well.
>
> What you are describing sounds more like a maintenance contract of some
> sort if it is for one user you already provide ISP/IT services for.  I'd
> say a retainer of some sort (minimum amount of hours per month) + travel
> would be appropriate.
>
> You shouldn't bill less than $100 an hour IMHO though.
>
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> Nate Burke 
> November 23, 2020 at 10:02
> Anybody do 'Remote hands' Services?  Just a body that will go to a
> location and follow directions.  I've had a request for it and I have no
> idea what to charge.  How do Datacenters price it, base Monthly price +
> time?
>
> Is it like  $400/month service or a $20/month service?  Seems like
> anything that will be less than the cost of them buying a plane ticket
> should be worth it to them.
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[AFMUG] Ot: covid tracing

[Steve Jones]

What a let down this was. Turns out tracing is a joke. First off, they dont
even make contact with the positive test for 3 to 5 days even though the
money was for within 24 hours. So it essentially pointless as far as
stopping the spread.
They dont ask for much detail, so thes "x infections traced back to Y
event" are pretty much fictitious. I thought it was maybe local to us, nope
pretty much the same way across the board.
We had 8 sick, three positive tests, and only one was actually traced. 6
the seven of us were contacts, the two other positives werent marked
different.
We are almost a week past the quarantine/isolation and still getting the
texts.

The point is, yet again in this, the feds provided a massive amount of
money and guidance, actually bipartisan, and the states fucked it up. I'm
in illinois, so I'm guessing out of every tracing dollar 25 cents when in
our fat emperor, erm governors pocket, and another 25 cents went in speaker
Madigan criminal defense fund. 50 cents went to the tracers, but they
probably have to kick 30 percent back in taxes.

My kids are remote so it's not relevant, but they havent recieved the dept
public health release yet, so I figure the boy wont be able to do his drive
time friday for drivers ed.

What a joke.

Luckily this isnt the death plague they told us it was. Takes a lot to die
of it now and our state numbers are going back down now that the election
celebration infections are subsiding.

Had the states done what they were supposed to, infected people would have
known 3 to 4 days earlier, and the percent that would quarantine would
have.
This is our 3rd verified exposure, first actual contact tracing, the other
two I know for a fact listed us as contacts.

When this is over and the FOIAs start, I'm hoping a lot of state and dept
of health officials spend a ton of time in prison. I'm betting there are a
ton of phones that were "lost" or smashed with hammers when the
investigations start after. Theres a ruthless watchdog group I had to deal
with once, actually forced a multi county health department to split, only
got one person for embezzlement though. But they know the FOIA game well
enough that the health department had to have constant deliveries of
pallets of paper. There were a lot of "early retirements"
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Re: [AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing

[Daniel White]

Datacenters we are in charge around $150 an hour with a one hour
minimum.  I'd says they are smart as in they can follow directions and
do some simple things for you.  But those are for techs that are already
onsite, provide NOC services for the DC and remote hands services for
anyone co-located there as well.

What you are describing sounds more like a maintenance contract of some
sort if it is for one user you already provide ISP/IT services for.  I'd
say a retainer of some sort (minimum amount of hours per month) + travel
would be appropriate.

You shouldn't bill less than $100 an hour IMHO though.

photograph  
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Co-Founder
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> Nate Burke 
> November 23, 2020 at 10:02
> Anybody do 'Remote hands' Services?  Just a body that will go to a
> location and follow directions.  I've had a request for it and I have
> no idea what to charge.  How do Datacenters price it, base Monthly
> price + time?
>
> Is it like  $400/month service or a $20/month service?  Seems like
> anything that will be less than the cost of them buying a plane ticket
> should be worth it to them.
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Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** starlink details

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Active denial built in.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 10:02 PM, Robert  wrote:
> 
>  Why do I think the guy who wanted to sell flamethrowers has something all 
> planned for this "opportunity?"
> 
> 
>> On 11/23/20 8:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> That may actually be an issue musk overlooked being in ca. Probably thought 
>> about snow and what not but the critters might be an issue
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 9:06 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>> H, 100+ watts power consumption (not including the snow melting heater).
>>> 
>>> Maybe not enough to be a big issue, it's not like we never forget to turn
>>> off the porch light.
>>> 
>>> In my area, I think it would become a squirrel butt-warming platform,
>>> littered with black walnut husks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 8:44 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** starlink details
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** starlink details

[Robert]

Why do I think the guy who wanted to sell flamethrowers has something 
all planned for this "opportunity?"



On 11/23/20 8:24 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
That may actually be an issue musk overlooked being in ca. Probably 
thought about snow and what not but the critters might be an issue


On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 9:06 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


H, 100+ watts power consumption (not including the snow
melting heater).

Maybe not enough to be a big issue, it's not like we never forget
to turn
off the porch light.

In my area, I think it would become a squirrel butt-warming platform,
littered with black walnut husks.


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Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 8:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** starlink details

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: And so the transition begins

[Steve Jones]

Looking at the cabinet build, this is just Barry's 3rd term I'm gonna
go there and ask if they're gonna put Michelle's urinal back in.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 10:23 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> As soon as the swamp refills.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> 
> When do the intelligence leaks begin
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:10 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/politics/transition-biden-gsa-begin/index.html
>>
>> (CNN) The General Services Administration has informed President-elect
>> Joe Biden that the Trump administration is ready to begin the formal
>> transition process, according to a letter from Administrator Emily
>> Murphy sent Monday afternoon and obtained by CNN.
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Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** starlink details

[Steve Jones]

That may actually be an issue musk overlooked being in ca. Probably thought
about snow and what not but the critters might be an issue

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 9:06 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> H, 100+ watts power consumption (not including the snow melting
> heater).
>
> Maybe not enough to be a big issue, it's not like we never forget to turn
> off the porch light.
>
> In my area, I think it would become a squirrel butt-warming platform,
> littered with black walnut husks.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 8:44 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** starlink details
>
>
> https://www.rvmobileinternet.com/starlink-update-spacex-talks-mobility-data-
> caps-geo-locking-space-lasers-and-more/
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: And so the transition begins

[Chuck McCown via AF]

As soon as the swamp refills.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> When do the intelligence leaks begin
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:10 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>> 
>> https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/politics/transition-biden-gsa-begin/index.html
>> 
>> (CNN) The General Services Administration has informed President-elect 
>> Joe Biden that the Trump administration is ready to begin the formal 
>> transition process, according to a letter from Administrator Emily 
>> Murphy sent Monday afternoon and obtained by CNN.
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Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** starlink details

[Ken Hohhof]

H, 100+ watts power consumption (not including the snow melting heater).

Maybe not enough to be a big issue, it's not like we never forget to turn
off the porch light.

In my area, I think it would become a squirrel butt-warming platform,
littered with black walnut husks.


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Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** starlink details

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[AFMUG] ***SPAM*** starlink details

[Robert]

https://www.rvmobileinternet.com/starlink-update-spacex-talks-mobility-data-caps-geo-locking-space-lasers-and-more/

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: And so the transition begins

[Robert]

That is such a setup line I can't resist...


4 years ago..

On 11/23/20 5:27 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

When do the intelligence leaks begin

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:10 PM Seth Mattinen > wrote:




https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/politics/transition-biden-gsa-begin/index.html



(CNN) The General Services Administration has informed
President-elect
Joe Biden that the Trump administration is ready to begin the formal
transition process, according to a letter from Administrator Emily
Murphy sent Monday afternoon and obtained by CNN.

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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Robert]

I am seeing a ton of Bidet adverts on the social media threads..

On 11/23/20 3:52 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

I wonder if places that use bidets look at us like WTF

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:47 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was
like politicizing toilet paper.

Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to
use TP.  Then there will be plenty for us.

My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted
3-ply Ultra Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they
are all the Maxi rolls.  I need someone to use half of each roll
and then send them to me.  Those giant rolls are like the rolls of
paper you see on newspaper printing presses.  I have to set them
on the vanity top because they don’t fit in the roll holder on the
wall, and with all the hand washing we’re supposed to be doing,
you risk a full roll of toilet paper getting wet.

I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper
roll holder.  Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a
couple on eBay.  Regular M-TOWs, not the P version.)

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through
this whole thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really
soft without leaving any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer,
masks, etc throughout. People are weird. Imma cut some people when
i find out whose been buying up all the pork ramen noodles though.

Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry,
honey, sugar, salt are the same, theres 2 other things I
dont remember. beans do something with their protein but still
last a long time. I keep 20lbs rice for each person in the house
packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets. If anybody happens to
see me toting yellow buckets really quick, id recomend running for
the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store, its washed
salt so theres no debris, pure salt and msds foodsafe.

If it hit the fan, MTOWs would be pretty versatile building
components for many parts of the necessary trebuchets, but we
wont be able to scavenge them from vendor warehouses since they
arent there

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find
toilet paper
if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on
your holders).

The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm
thinking it's
actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit. 
Although you'd
think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall and
then
warehoused.

Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically
forever, no matter
what the expiration date may say.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for
justification, not bad
enough for actual desperation...

On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
 wrote:
> Many are.
> *From:* James Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> So basically preppers?
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com 
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> 12 month...
>
> *From:*Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
>
> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month
supply in our
> pantry.
>
> *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Trump to issue pardons

[Steve Jones]

I wouldn't put it past him to bring them out basted and a nice golden brown
for the ceremony

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 6:36 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

>
> https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-thanksgiving-trump-turkey-20201123-amxs7uh6hvf55ncsrvshjbiioq-story.html
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: And so the transition begins

[Steve Jones]

When do the intelligence leaks begin

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:10 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

>
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/politics/transition-biden-gsa-begin/index.html
>
> (CNN) The General Services Administration has informed President-elect
> Joe Biden that the Trump administration is ready to begin the formal
> transition process, according to a letter from Administrator Emily
> Murphy sent Monday afternoon and obtained by CNN.
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[AFMUG] OT: And so the transition begins

[Seth Mattinen]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/politics/transition-biden-gsa-begin/index.html

(CNN) The General Services Administration has informed President-elect 
Joe Biden that the Trump administration is ready to begin the formal 
transition process, according to a letter from Administrator Emily 
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Our cousins in Portola Valley have a conversion. They also have a
  roll/dispenser on the wall. We stayed there a couple months ago. I
  did not use the bidet function.


bp

On 11/23/2020 4:25 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Apparently you can get conversion
  attachments pretty cheap.  I’m guessing you’d want the warm
  water version.  Cold water doesn’t sound like fun.
https://hellotushy.com/products/warm-water-bidet-tushy-spa
 
 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Steve
Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 5:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

  I wonder if places that use bidets look
at us like WTF

 

  
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:47 PM Ken
  Hohhof  wrote:
  
  

  
I
  saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face
  masks was like politicizing toilet paper.
 
Maybe
  that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to
  refuse to use TP.  Then there will be plenty for us.
 
My
  local grocery store has an entire aisle of the
  Northern Quilted 3-ply Ultra Plush, it’s like Kleenex
  for your butt.  Except they are all the Maxi rolls.  I
  need someone to use half of each roll and then send
  them to me.  Those giant rolls are like the rolls of
  paper you see on newspaper printing presses.  I have
  to set them on the vanity top because they don’t fit
  in the roll holder on the wall, and with all the hand
  washing we’re supposed to be doing, you risk a full
  roll of toilet paper getting wet.
 
I
  suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet
  paper roll holder.  Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs. 
  (actually I saw a couple on eBay.  Regular M-TOWs, not
  the P version.)
 

  From:
AF 
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

  Ive
been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in
town through this whole thing, 48 rolls at a time,
cheaper than walmart, really soft without leaving
any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc
throughout. People are weird. Imma cut some people
when i find out whose been buying up all the pork
ramen noodles though.
  
 
  
  
Rice
  never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it
  stays dry, honey, sugar, salt are the same,
  theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans do
  something with their protein but still last a long
  time. I keep 20lbs rice for each person in the
  house packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets.
  If anybody happens to see me toting yellow buckets
  really quick, id recomend running for the hills.
  Morton pool salt is a good salt to store, its
  washed salt so theres no debris, pure salt and
  msds foodsafe. 
  
  
 
  
  
If
  it hit the fan, MTOWs would be pretty versatile
  building components for many parts of the
  necessary trebuchets, but we wont be able to
  scavenge them from vendor warehouses since they
  arent there 
  
  
 
  
  
 
  

 

  
On
  Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof 
  wrote:
  
  

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Bill Prince]

  
  
We're cool. We have an approximately 5 month supply.

bp

On 11/23/2020 3:46 PM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
I saw that some doctor was saying that
  politicizing face masks was like politicizing toilet paper.
 
Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half
  the people to refuse to use TP.  Then there will be plenty for
  us.
 
My local grocery store has an entire aisle
  of the Northern Quilted 3-ply Ultra Plush, it’s like Kleenex
  for your butt.  Except they are all the Maxi rolls.  I need
  someone to use half of each roll and then send them to me. 
  Those giant rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on
  newspaper printing presses.  I have to set them on the vanity
  top because they don’t fit in the roll holder on the wall, and
  with all the hand washing we’re supposed to be doing, you risk
  a full roll of toilet paper getting wet.
 
I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the
  wall as a toilet paper roll holder.  Except everybody’s out of
  M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on eBay.  Regular M-TOWs,
  not the P version.)
 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Steve
Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

  Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial
supply here in town through this whole thing, 48 rolls at a
time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without leaving any
furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout.
People are weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose
been buying up all the pork ramen noodles though.
  
 
  
  
Rice never loses any nutrient or taste
  as long as it stays dry, honey, sugar, salt are the same,
  theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans do something
  with their protein but still last a long time. I keep
  20lbs rice for each person in the house packed in 2 cup
  packages in sealed buckets. If anybody happens to see me
  toting yellow buckets really quick, id recomend running
  for the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store,
  its washed salt so theres no debris, pure salt and msds
  foodsafe. 
  
  
 
  
  
If it hit the fan, MTOWs would be
  pretty versatile building components for many parts of the
  necessary trebuchets, but we wont be able to scavenge them
  from vendor warehouses since they arent there 
  
  
 
  
  
 
  

 

  
On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ken
  Hohhof  wrote:
  
  
Most of the shortages seem to have
  abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
  if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit
  on your holders).
  
  The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit. 
  I'm thinking it's
  actually the cans that are in short supply, not the
  fruit.  Although you'd
  think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall
  and then
  warehoused.
  
  Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically
  forever, no matter
  what the expiration date may say.
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
  Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
  
  2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for
  justification, not bad
  enough for actual desperation...
  
  On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:
  > Many are.
  > *From:* James Howard
  > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
  > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
  > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
  > 
  > So basically preppers?
  > 
  > *From:* AF 
  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
  > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
  > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Bill Prince]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

  
  
That happens all the time, and people have been known to vote in
  two places. It's a felony, so good luck to her.
Doesn't make it a conspiracy though.
but Florida is involved, so there's that.



bp

On 11/23/2020 1:42 PM, Mark - Myakka
  Technologies wrote:


  
  
  Bill,

My daughter just moved to Texas a few weeks ago.  She is in the
process of becoming a Texas resident.  She had to register her
car in Texas and update her car insurance with her new Texas
address.  She received notice from Florida Motor Vehicles that
her insurance was cancelled.  Only took them a few days to send
out the notice before the letter got here.  One of the options
on the form is, no longer a resident of Florida.  She has to
send in a copy of her new TX registration to prove this.

The question is, will the Florida Motor Vehicle department
notify the election department so they can take her off the
voting roll?  She has voted absentee for the past 4 years, so
we'll see if an absentee ballot shows up here for her the next
election cycle.    


--
Best regards,
Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com
  
  Myakka
Technologies, Inc.
  www.Myakka.com
  
  --

Monday, November 23, 2020, 3:31:17 PM, you wrote:

  
  

  


Since I personally have been voting absentee for
well over a decade; in fact I am registered as permanent
absentee. I haven't actually walked into an actual
polling place in longer than I can remember. 
So I have a different perspective on this, and I know
the checks they build into the system. It would be a
real stretch for someone to impersonate my ballot. I
defy anyone to try and succeed.

bp

On 11/23/2020 12:24 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
wrote:
  
  

  


Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press
conference Ken,

I believe it is far fetched that this was some
type of coordinated effort to cheat.  I also
believe that is is far fetched that the voting
machines were tampered with.  Finally, I doubt
these recounts are going to change anything.

But, I would like a real audit of the absentee
ballots.  I would like them to pull a random
sample of absentee ballots to check to see if
the person is a valid voter.  Are they alive,
are they still residents of the county, etc. 

I think Georgia would be fairly accurate.  I
belive they did a voter roll purge a few years
ago.  That was one of the issues with Stacey
Abrams.  She got her panties all in a bunch,
because they removed 1000's of stale voters from
the rolls. 

I don't know if any of these other states have
purged their rolls lately.  I'm guessing the
ones that have not may have a higher percentage
of bad absentee ballots.  At the end of the day,
I don't think they will find enough votes.

--
Best regards,
Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com
  
  Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  www.Myakka.com
  
  --

Monday, November 23, 2020, 1:53:37 PM, you
wrote:

  
  

  


In the transactional
world of certain people, I appointed
you, so you decide in my favor.  I don’t
think that works with Supreme Court
Justices.  They may not be everyone’s

[AFMUG] OT - Trump to issue pardons

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-thanksg
iving-trump-turkey-20201123-amxs7uh6hvf55ncsrvshjbiioq-story.html

 

Nice hotel room.

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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Steve Jones]

i just dont know, the new cars all have seat warmers and those make me feel
really uncomfortable. cold water would keep everything about business

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 6:26 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Apparently you can get conversion attachments pretty cheap.  I’m guessing
> you’d want the warm water version.  Cold water doesn’t sound like fun.
>
> https://hellotushy.com/products/warm-water-bidet-tushy-spa
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 5:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
>
>
> I wonder if places that use bidets look at us like WTF
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:47 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was like
> politicizing toilet paper.
>
>
>
> Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use TP.
> Then there will be plenty for us.
>
>
>
> My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted 3-ply
> Ultra Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all the Maxi
> rolls.  I need someone to use half of each roll and then send them to me.
> Those giant rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper printing
> presses.  I have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t fit in
> the roll holder on the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re supposed
> to be doing, you risk a full roll of toilet paper getting wet.
>
>
>
> I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll
> holder.  Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on
> eBay.  Regular M-TOWs, not the P version.)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
>
>
> Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through this
> whole thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without
> leaving any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout.
> People are weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose been buying up
> all the pork ramen noodles though.
>
>
>
> Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry, honey,
> sugar, salt are the same, theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans do
> something with their protein but still last a long time. I keep 20lbs rice
> for each person in the house packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets. If
> anybody happens to see me toting yellow buckets really quick, id
> recomend running for the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store,
> its washed salt so theres no debris, pure salt and msds foodsafe.
>
>
>
> If it hit the fan, MTOWs would be pretty versatile building components for
> many parts of the necessary trebuchets, but we wont be able to scavenge
> them from vendor warehouses since they arent there
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
> if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).
>
> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
> actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  Although you'd
> think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall and then
> warehoused.
>
> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no matter
> what the expiration date may say.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not bad
> enough for actual desperation...
>
> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Many are.
> > *From:* James Howard
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > So basically preppers?
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > 12 month...
> >
> > *From:*Ken Hohhof
> >
> > *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
> >
> > *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our
> > pantry.
> >
> > *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net
> >  wrote:
> >
> > If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If
> > you are drop shipping everything, then 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Ken Hohhof]

Apparently you can get conversion attachments pretty cheap.  I’m guessing you’d 
want the warm water version.  Cold water doesn’t sound like fun.

https://hellotushy.com/products/warm-water-bidet-tushy-spa

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 5:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

I wonder if places that use bidets look at us like WTF

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:47 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was like 
politicizing toilet paper.

 

Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use TP.  Then 
there will be plenty for us.

 

My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted 3-ply Ultra 
Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all the Maxi rolls.  I 
need someone to use half of each roll and then send them to me.  Those giant 
rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper printing presses.  I 
have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t fit in the roll holder on 
the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re supposed to be doing, you risk a 
full roll of toilet paper getting wet.

 

I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll holder.  
Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on eBay.  Regular 
M-TOWs, not the P version.)

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through this whole 
thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without leaving 
any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout. People are 
weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose been buying up all the pork 
ramen noodles though.

 

Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry, honey, sugar, 
salt are the same, theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans do something 
with their protein but still last a long time. I keep 20lbs rice for each 
person in the house packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets. If anybody 
happens to see me toting yellow buckets really quick, id recomend running for 
the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store, its washed salt so theres 
no debris, pure salt and msds foodsafe. 

 

If it hit the fan, MTOWs would be pretty versatile building components for many 
parts of the necessary trebuchets, but we wont be able to scavenge them from 
vendor warehouses since they arent there 

 

 

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).

The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  Although you'd
think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall and then
warehoused.

Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no matter
what the expiration date may say.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not bad
enough for actual desperation...

On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:
> Many are.
> *From:* James Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> So basically preppers?
> 
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > *On 
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com  
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'   >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> 12 month...
> 
> *From:*Ken Hohhof
> 
> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
> 
> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> 
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our 
> pantry.
> 
> *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > *On 
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net 
>   
> mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote:
> 
> If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If
> you are drop shipping 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Steve Jones]

burning down their homes might get the point across, especially with winter
coming on. It will get cold sleeping in an ash pile

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 6:16 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I honestly don’t know why there is ever a shortage of our products other
> than distributors not placing large enough stocking orders.
>
> It isn’t rocket surgery to keep track of your run rates and look for
> trends.  But inventory is cash sitting on the shelf.  I do understand.
>
> But I am still going to keep building to order rather than to forecast.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 4:47 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
>
>
> I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was like
> politicizing toilet paper.
>
>
>
> Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use TP.
> Then there will be plenty for us.
>
>
>
> My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted 3-ply
> Ultra Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all the Maxi
> rolls.  I need someone to use half of each roll and then send them to me.
> Those giant rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper printing
> presses.  I have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t fit in
> the roll holder on the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re supposed
> to be doing, you risk a full roll of toilet paper getting wet.
>
>
>
> I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll
> holder.  Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on
> eBay.  Regular M-TOWs, not the P version.)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
>
>
> Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through this
> whole thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without
> leaving any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout.
> People are weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose been buying up
> all the pork ramen noodles though.
>
>
>
> Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry, honey,
> sugar, salt are the same, theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans do
> something with their protein but still last a long time. I keep 20lbs rice
> for each person in the house packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets. If
> anybody happens to see me toting yellow buckets really quick, id
> recomend running for the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store,
> its washed salt so theres no debris, pure salt and msds foodsafe.
>
>
>
> If it hit the fan, MTOWs would be pretty versatile building components for
> many parts of the necessary trebuchets, but we wont be able to scavenge
> them from vendor warehouses since they arent there
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
> if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).
>
> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
> actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  Although you'd
> think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall and then
> warehoused.
>
> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no matter
> what the expiration date may say.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not bad
> enough for actual desperation...
>
> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Many are.
> > *From:* James Howard
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > So basically preppers?
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > 12 month...
> >
> > *From:*Ken Hohhof
> >
> > *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
> >
> > *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our
> > pantry.
> >
> > *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net
> >  wrote:
> >
> > If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I honestly don’t know why there is ever a shortage of our products other than 
distributors not placing large enough stocking orders.  

It isn’t rocket surgery to keep track of your run rates and look for trends.  
But inventory is cash sitting on the shelf.  I do understand.  

But I am still going to keep building to order rather than to forecast.  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:47 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was like 
politicizing toilet paper.

 

Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use TP.  Then 
there will be plenty for us.

 

My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted 3-ply Ultra 
Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all the Maxi rolls.  I 
need someone to use half of each roll and then send them to me.  Those giant 
rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper printing presses.  I 
have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t fit in the roll holder on 
the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re supposed to be doing, you risk a 
full roll of toilet paper getting wet.

 

I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll holder.  
Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on eBay.  Regular 
M-TOWs, not the P version.)

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through this whole 
thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without leaving 
any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout. People are 
weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose been buying up all the pork 
ramen noodles though.

 

Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry, honey, sugar, 
salt are the same, theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans do something 
with their protein but still last a long time. I keep 20lbs rice for each 
person in the house packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets. If anybody 
happens to see me toting yellow buckets really quick, id recomend running for 
the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store, its washed salt so theres 
no debris, pure salt and msds foodsafe. 

 

If it hit the fan, MTOWs would be pretty versatile building components for many 
parts of the necessary trebuchets, but we wont be able to scavenge them from 
vendor warehouses since they arent there 

 

 

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).

The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  Although you'd
think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall and then
warehoused.

Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no matter
what the expiration date may say.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not bad
enough for actual desperation...

On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:
> Many are.
> *From:* James Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> So basically preppers?
> 
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > *On 
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com  
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'   >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> 12 month...
> 
> *From:*Ken Hohhof
> 
> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
> 
> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> 
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our 
> pantry.
> 
> *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > *On 
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net 
>   
> mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote:
> 
> If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them 

Re: [AFMUG] Dhcp-relay into ospf

[Steve Jones]

you want a dhcp client interface to by dynamically added to the routes?
youre gonna get yelled at for distributing connected routes
i think youd have to have an all interface defines and a 0.0.0.0/0 network
if you dont know the subnet that will be assigned if this is part of your
osfp  routing network
otherwise distribute connected routes should propagate

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 6:02 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Anyone here successfully setup dhcp-relay with ospf so that when the relay
> adds an address to the pool that address goes out through ospf?
> --
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> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
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[AFMUG] Dhcp-relay into ospf

[Matt Hoppes]

Anyone here successfully setup dhcp-relay with ospf so that when the relay adds 
an address to the pool that address goes out through ospf?
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Steve Jones]

I wonder if places that use bidets look at us like WTF

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:47 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was like
> politicizing toilet paper.
>
>
>
> Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use TP.
> Then there will be plenty for us.
>
>
>
> My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted 3-ply
> Ultra Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all the Maxi
> rolls.  I need someone to use half of each roll and then send them to me.
> Those giant rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper printing
> presses.  I have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t fit in
> the roll holder on the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re supposed
> to be doing, you risk a full roll of toilet paper getting wet.
>
>
>
> I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll
> holder.  Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on
> eBay.  Regular M-TOWs, not the P version.)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
>
>
> Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through this
> whole thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without
> leaving any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout.
> People are weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose been buying up
> all the pork ramen noodles though.
>
>
>
> Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry, honey,
> sugar, salt are the same, theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans do
> something with their protein but still last a long time. I keep 20lbs rice
> for each person in the house packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets. If
> anybody happens to see me toting yellow buckets really quick, id
> recomend running for the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store,
> its washed salt so theres no debris, pure salt and msds foodsafe.
>
>
>
> If it hit the fan, MTOWs would be pretty versatile building components for
> many parts of the necessary trebuchets, but we wont be able to scavenge
> them from vendor warehouses since they arent there
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
> if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).
>
> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
> actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  Although you'd
> think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall and then
> warehoused.
>
> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no matter
> what the expiration date may say.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not bad
> enough for actual desperation...
>
> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Many are.
> > *From:* James Howard
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > So basically preppers?
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > 12 month...
> >
> > *From:*Ken Hohhof
> >
> > *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
> >
> > *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our
> > pantry.
> >
> > *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net
> >  wrote:
> >
> > If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If
> > you are drop shipping everything, then why not just
> >
> > sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding
> > to your business other than an easy way for customers
> >
> > to order your product?
> >
> > I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your
> products.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:
> >
> > Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a
> > gap in production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit
> > of safety stock would not cure.
> >
> > I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can
> >

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Ken Hohhof]

I saw that some doctor was saying that politicizing face masks was like 
politicizing toilet paper.

 

Maybe that’s your answer.  Convince half the people to refuse to use TP.  Then 
there will be plenty for us.

 

My local grocery store has an entire aisle of the Northern Quilted 3-ply Ultra 
Plush, it’s like Kleenex for your butt.  Except they are all the Maxi rolls.  I 
need someone to use half of each roll and then send them to me.  Those giant 
rolls are like the rolls of paper you see on newspaper printing presses.  I 
have to set them on the vanity top because they don’t fit in the roll holder on 
the wall, and with all the hand washing we’re supposed to be doing, you risk a 
full roll of toilet paper getting wet.

 

I suppose I could mount an M-TOW to the wall as a toilet paper roll holder.  
Except everybody’s out of M-TOWs.  (actually I saw a couple on eBay.  Regular 
M-TOWs, not the P version.)

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through this whole 
thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without leaving 
any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout. People are 
weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose been buying up all the pork 
ramen noodles though.

 

Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry, honey, sugar, 
salt are the same, theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans do something 
with their protein but still last a long time. I keep 20lbs rice for each 
person in the house packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets. If anybody 
happens to see me toting yellow buckets really quick, id recomend running for 
the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store, its washed salt so theres 
no debris, pure salt and msds foodsafe. 

 

If it hit the fan, MTOWs would be pretty versatile building components for many 
parts of the necessary trebuchets, but we wont be able to scavenge them from 
vendor warehouses since they arent there 

 

 

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).

The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  Although you'd
think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall and then
warehoused.

Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no matter
what the expiration date may say.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not bad
enough for actual desperation...

On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:
> Many are.
> *From:* James Howard
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> So basically preppers?
> 
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > *On 
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com  
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'   >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> 12 month...
> 
> *From:*Ken Hohhof
> 
> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
> 
> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> 
> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our 
> pantry.
> 
> *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > *On 
> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> 
> I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net 
>   
> mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote:
> 
> If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If
> you are drop shipping everything, then why not just
> 
> sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding
> to your business other than an easy way for customers
> 
> to order your product?
> 
> I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your
products.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> 
> > wrote:
> 
> Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a
> gap in production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit
> of safety stock would not cure.
> 
> I offer 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Steve Jones]

Ive been getting my TP at a janitorial supply here in town through this
whole thing, 48 rolls at a time, cheaper than walmart, really soft without
leaving any furballs. Theyve had that, sanitizer, masks, etc throughout.
People are weird. Imma cut some people when i find out whose been buying up
all the pork ramen noodles though.

Rice never loses any nutrient or taste as long as it stays dry, honey,
sugar, salt are the same, theres 2 other things I dont remember. beans do
something with their protein but still last a long time. I keep 20lbs rice
for each person in the house packed in 2 cup packages in sealed buckets. If
anybody happens to see me toting yellow buckets really quick, id
recomend running for the hills. Morton pool salt is a good salt to store,
its washed salt so theres no debris, pure salt and msds foodsafe.

If it hit the fan, MTOWs would be pretty versatile building components for
many parts of the necessary trebuchets, but we wont be able to scavenge
them from vendor warehouses since they arent there



On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet paper
> if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your holders).
>
> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking it's
> actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.  Although you'd
> think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or fall and then
> warehoused.
>
> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no matter
> what the expiration date may say.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not bad
> enough for actual desperation...
>
> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > Many are.
> > *From:* James Howard
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > So basically preppers?
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
> > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > 12 month...
> >
> > *From:*Ken Hohhof
> >
> > *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
> >
> > *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in our
> > pantry.
> >
> > *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net
> >  wrote:
> >
> > If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If
> > you are drop shipping everything, then why not just
> >
> > sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they adding
> > to your business other than an easy way for customers
> >
> > to order your product?
> >
> > I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your
> products.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:
> >
> > Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have a
> > gap in production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a bit
> > of safety stock would not cure.
> >
> > I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They can
> > stock it here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must be
> > too tight for them to do that.
> >
> > *From:*Josh Luthman
> >
> > *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM
> >
> > *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >
> > *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > *sigh* daily struggle
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:28 PM  wrote:
> >
> > Only thing wrong is distributors do not like to tie up cash
> > in inventory.
> >
> > *From:*Josh Luthman
> >
> > *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:23 AM
> >
> > *To:*AFMUG
> >
> > *Subject:*[AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > Streakwave nor CTI seem to have any source for them.  Does
> > any secondary distributor have some?
> >
> > Something wrong at the factory Chuck?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Josh Luthman]

It isn't urgent.  This is just to fill our stock.  I learned a long time
ago that I need to have my own storage room of items since a) waiting on
items before the job can get started is a joke and b) none of the
distributors stock shit

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:52 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> If this is an urgent need, can you just use pipe-to-pipe clamps and a
> piece of pipe?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 2:23 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
>
>
> For 6+ weeks?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:12 PM David Coudron <
> david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
>
> We have some on back order as well.
>
>
>
> *David Coudron*
>
> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  *Mobile: *612-991-7474
>
>
>
> *Advantenon, Inc.  *
>
> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN
> 55447  |  www.advantenon.com  |  *Phone:* 800-704-4720  |  *Local: *
> 612-454-1545
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 9:22 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
>
>
> Has anyone been able to get MTOWP since Oct 8?  I'm still waiting on my
> back order from then.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 9:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I believe white rice has the bran layer removed which is also where the oil
> resides.  Brown rice is probably "healthier" but only has about a 6 month
> shelf life.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:03 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> It was brown Basmati rice. is there oil in that?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/9/2020 4:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Supposedly brown or wild rice goes bad but white rice doesn't.  Which
> type
> did you have?  Sounds like oil went rancid.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 6:40 PM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > Stores around here seem to have tons of TP. I see pallets of it when I go
> into Home Depot. The San Carlos Costco has a wall full of it. Even the
> local
> grocery has what looks like normal shelves full of. So no worries there.
> >
> > There also seems to be plenty of stock of canned fruit.
> >
> > So maybe there is some regional-ness to it all.
> >
> > Rice does go stale at least. We had poured some surplus rice into a jar
> that we closed up & then stuck it in  the back of the pantry where we
> forgot
> about it for at least a year (maybe two). When we opened it up recently, it
> was still "rice", but it smelled terrible.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 10/9/2020 4:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet
> >> paper if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your
> holders).
> >>
> >> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking
> >> it's actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.
> >> Although you'd think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or
> >> fall and then warehoused.
> >>
> >> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no
> >> matter what the expiration date may say.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> >> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
> >> To: af@af.afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >>
> >> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not
> >> bad enough for actual desperation...
> >>
> >> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >>> Many are.
> >>> *From:* James Howard
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
> >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >>>
> >>> So basically preppers?
> >>>
> >>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
> >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >>>
> >>> 12 month...
> >>>
> >>> *From:*Ken Hohhof
> >>>
> >>> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
> >>>
> >>> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> >>>
> >>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >>>
> >>> Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in
> >>> our pantry.
> >>>
> >>> *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> >>> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Steve Jones]

i fucking knew it, my pit has been all sorts of cocky ever since i went
remote, strutting around all superior and stuff

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:22 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Covid was a conspiracy:
>
>
>
> [image: A picture containing diagram Description automatically generated]
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 2:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>
>
>
> i dont believe that protests in over 50 cities organically come to
> fruition with the same materials, tactics, slogans, etc., i know, its mad
> to believe that tens of hundreds of people across the nation could
> coordinate anything of any magnitude.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:25 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> I believe it is far fetched that this was some type of coordinated effort
> to cheat.  I also believe that is is far fetched that the voting machines
> were tampered with.  Finally, I doubt these recounts are going to change
> anything.
>
> But, I would like a real audit of the absentee ballots.  I would like them
> to pull a random sample of absentee ballots to check to see if the person
> is a valid voter.  Are they alive, are they still residents of the county,
> etc.
>
> I think Georgia would be fairly accurate.  I belive they did a voter roll
> purge a few years ago.  That was one of the issues with Stacey Abrams.  She
> got her panties all in a bunch, because they removed 1000's of stale voters
> from the rolls.
>
> I don't know if any of these other states have purged their rolls lately.
> I'm guessing the ones that have not may have a higher percentage of bad
> absentee ballots.  At the end of the day, I don't think they will find
> enough votes.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Monday, November 23, 2020, 1:53:37 PM, you wrote:
>
> In the transactional world of certain people, I appointed you, so you
> decide in my favor.  I don’t think that works with Supreme Court Justices.
> They may not be everyone’s favorite judge, but they’re still a judge, not a
> total buffoon like the “elite strike force” “release the Kraken” lawyers.
> I would be surprised if SCOTUS touched any of this.  I have my doubts about
> Kavanaugh’s love for beer, but otherwise, they are only going to accept a
> modest level of crazytown.
>
> I also believe that is 99.9% the case with election judges, ballot
> counters, secretaries of state, etc.  Media and both parties would have you
> believe they will act solely according to party affiliation.  I think
> mostly they just do their job, even if they wish the outcome were different.
>
> Much of what we see is projection.  If that were me, I would totally do
> these crooked things, so let’s assume that’s what everyone would do.
> Nobody could possibly just be doing a job the best they can, with no other
> motives.
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 12:27 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>
> Unless there is a direct constitutional question, scotus has no business
> being involved. The fact that scotus is even in play is a direct
> consequense of the decades of judicial politicking
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 12:14 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> The Supremes are going to refuse to get involved; if they are asked, which
> I'm on the fence about.
> bp
> 
> On 11/23/2020 10:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> This shit is neverending entertainment. They put the crazy lady up as the
> lead, then shitcanned her, but she didnt stop and theres no infighting.
> Pennsylvania is back in play in the courts. Media runs with some judge
> dismissing something like it's relevant, theyve bending it for 4 years,
> that's just a step in the process to get things to the supreme court.
> Either way I see armed conflict prior to inauguration. One side wants to
> bury everything and one side wants sunlight on everything, then if it
> doesnt bear fruit they want it dissected and sunlight on its guts.
>
> They're gonna fuck around and get biden disqualified after it's to late
> and then the bigot harris will be in play. We dont want that
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>
> https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-gop-challengers-we-faced-open-intimidation-detroit
>
> https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-i-was-detroit-poll-challenger-gop-came-make-havoc
> Two poll challengers in Detroit with different perspectives about what
> they saw at the exact same polling place.
> I do see general agreement on the events though.  A volunteer busybody
> follows people around and questions everything they do.  They get annoyed
> and say, "buzz off, talk to my supervisor".  The Democratic challenger
> says, "the GOP poll challenger was being 

Re: [AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing

[Steve Jones]

i used to do side work for a remote hnds company, 1099, 15-25 an hour, but
it was literal dumb hands, i quit cause it was frustrating. stuff like
going to tower sites and hot swapping cards read of the leds and leave, or
go tone out a wire, etc. kills you walking away with a fault light on or
the customer upset cause their phones are still non functioning and you
cant, per contract, go any further in troubleshooting. iirc the mileage pay
was something crazy high like 85 cents a mile.

taking that cost all the way back to the customer i would bet theyre paying
anywhere between 65 and 200 an hour if theyre not on a contract.

I think rate would realy depend on whether its smart hands or dumb hands

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 11:59 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> We don't charge a retainer fee, just hourly for someone to stand there and
> plug things in for them.
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-999-7000
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:08 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing
>
> So they get 2 hr per month, or you charge them base 2hr every month then
> actual time on top of that?
>
> On 11/23/2020 11:07 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
> > We charge our base labor rate with a 2 hr minimum. $60/hr x 2.
> >
> > Jim Bouse
> > Owner - Brazos WiFi
> > 979-999-7000
> > http://www.brazoswifi.com
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:03 AM
> > To: Animal Farm 
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing
> >
> > Anybody do 'Remote hands' Services?  Just a body that will go to a
> location and follow directions.  I've had a request for it and I have no
> idea what to charge.  How do Datacenters price it, base Monthly price +
> time?
> >
> > Is it like  $400/month service or a $20/month service?  Seems like
> anything that will be less than the cost of them buying a plane ticket
> should be worth it to them.
> >
> > --
> > AF mailing list
> > AF@af.afmug.com
> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
> >
>
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Steve Jones]

theyre not looking to use your balot


On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:32 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Since I personally have been voting absentee for well over a decade; in
> fact I am registered as permanent absentee. I haven't actually walked into
> an actual polling place in longer than I can remember.
>
> So I have a different perspective on this, and I know the checks they
> build into the system. It would be a real stretch for someone to
> impersonate my ballot. I defy anyone to try and succeed.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/23/2020 12:24 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
> I believe it is far fetched that this was some type of coordinated effort
> to cheat.  I also believe that is is far fetched that the voting machines
> were tampered with.  Finally, I doubt these recounts are going to change
> anything.
>
> But, I would like a real audit of the absentee ballots.  I would like them
> to pull a random sample of absentee ballots to check to see if the person
> is a valid voter.  Are they alive, are they still residents of the county,
> etc.
>
> I think Georgia would be fairly accurate.  I belive they did a voter roll
> purge a few years ago.  That was one of the issues with Stacey Abrams.  She
> got her panties all in a bunch, because they removed 1000's of stale voters
> from the rolls.
>
> I don't know if any of these other states have purged their rolls lately.
> I'm guessing the ones that have not may have a higher percentage of bad
> absentee ballots.  At the end of the day, I don't think they will find
> enough votes.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Monday, November 23, 2020, 1:53:37 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> In the transactional world of certain people, I appointed you, so you
> decide in my favor.  I don’t think that works with Supreme Court Justices.
> They may not be everyone’s favorite judge, but they’re still a judge, not a
> total buffoon like the “elite strike force” “release the Kraken” lawyers.
> I would be surprised if SCOTUS touched any of this.  I have my doubts about
> Kavanaugh’s love for beer, but otherwise, they are only going to accept a
> modest level of crazytown.
>
> I also believe that is 99.9% the case with election judges, ballot
> counters, secretaries of state, etc.  Media and both parties would have you
> believe they will act solely according to party affiliation.  I think
> mostly they just do their job, even if they wish the outcome were different.
>
> Much of what we see is projection.  If that were me, I would totally do
> these crooked things, so let’s assume that’s what everyone would do.
> Nobody could possibly just be doing a job the best they can, with no other
> motives.
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 12:27 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>
> Unless there is a direct constitutional question, scotus has no business
> being involved. The fact that scotus is even in play is a direct
> consequense of the decades of judicial politicking
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 12:14 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> The Supremes are going to refuse to get involved; if they are asked, which
> I'm on the fence about.
> bp
> 
> On 11/23/2020 10:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> This shit is neverending entertainment. They put the crazy lady up as the
> lead, then shitcanned her, but she didnt stop and theres no infighting.
> Pennsylvania is back in play in the courts. Media runs with some judge
> dismissing something like it's relevant, theyve bending it for 4 years,
> that's just a step in the process to get things to the supreme court.
> Either way I see armed conflict prior to inauguration. One side wants to
> bury everything and one side wants sunlight on everything, then if it
> doesnt bear fruit they want it dissected and sunlight on its guts.
>
> They're gonna fuck around and get biden disqualified after it's to late
> and then the bigot harris will be in play. We dont want that
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>
> https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-gop-challengers-we-faced-open-intimidation-detroit
>
> https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-i-was-detroit-poll-challenger-gop-came-make-havoc
> Two poll challengers in Detroit with different perspectives about what
> they saw at the exact same polling place.
> I do see general agreement on the events though.  A volunteer busybody
> follows people around and questions everything they do.  They get annoyed
> and say, "buzz off, talk to my supervisor".  The Democratic challenger
> says, "the GOP poll challenger was being douchey and asking accusatory
> questions.  Also racism."
> The Republican challenger says "All I did was ask questions and they got
> all douchey about it.  Also I was intimidated/oppressed."
>
> On 11/23/2020 11:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference


Bill,

My daughter just moved to Texas a few weeks ago.  She is in the process of becoming a Texas resident.  She had to register her car in Texas and update her car insurance with her new Texas address.  She received notice from Florida Motor Vehicles that her insurance was cancelled.  Only took them a few days to send out the notice before the letter got here.  One of the options on the form is, no longer a resident of Florida.  She has to send in a copy of her new TX registration to prove this.

The question is, will the Florida Motor Vehicle department notify the election department so they can take her off the voting roll?  She has voted absentee for the past 4 years, so we'll see if an absentee ballot shows up here for her the next election cycle.    


--
Best regards,
 Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Monday, November 23, 2020, 3:31:17 PM, you wrote:





Since I personally have been voting absentee for well over a decade; in fact I am registered as permanent absentee. I haven't actually walked into an actual polling place in longer than I can remember. 
So I have a different perspective on this, and I know the checks they build into the system. It would be a real stretch for someone to impersonate my ballot. I defy anyone to try and succeed.

bp

On 11/23/2020 12:24 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:




Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference Ken,

I believe it is far fetched that this was some type of coordinated effort to cheat.  I also believe that is is far fetched that the voting machines were tampered with.  Finally, I doubt these recounts are going to change anything.

But, I would like a real audit of the absentee ballots.  I would like them to pull a random sample of absentee ballots to check to see if the person is a valid voter.  Are they alive, are they still residents of the county, etc. 

I think Georgia would be fairly accurate.  I belive they did a voter roll purge a few years ago.  That was one of the issues with Stacey Abrams.  She got her panties all in a bunch, because they removed 1000's of stale voters from the rolls. 

I don't know if any of these other states have purged their rolls lately.  I'm guessing the ones that have not may have a higher percentage of bad absentee ballots.  At the end of the day, I don't think they will find enough votes.

--
Best regards,
Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Monday, November 23, 2020, 1:53:37 PM, you wrote:





In the transactional world of certain people, I appointed you, so you decide in my favor.  I don’t think that works with Supreme Court Justices.  They may not be everyone’s favorite judge, but they’re still a judge, not a total buffoon like the “elite strike force” “release the Kraken” lawyers.  I would be surprised if SCOTUS touched any of this.  I have my doubts about Kavanaugh’s love for beer, but otherwise, they are only going to accept a modest level of crazytown.

I also believe that is 99.9% the case with election judges, ballot counters, secretaries of state, etc.  Media and both parties would have you believe they will act solely according to party affiliation.  I think mostly they just do their job, even if they wish the outcome were different.

Much of what we see is projection.  If that were me, I would totally do these crooked things, so let’s assume that’s what everyone would do.  Nobody could possibly just be doing a job the best they can, with no other motives. 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

Unless there is a direct constitutional question, scotus has no business being involved. The fact that scotus is even in play is a direct consequense of the decades of judicial politicking 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 12:14 PM Bill Prince  wrote:




The Supremes are going to refuse to get involved; if they are asked, which I'm on the fence about.
bp

On 11/23/2020 10:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:




This shit is neverending entertainment. They put the crazy lady up as the lead, then shitcanned her, but she didnt stop and theres no infighting. Pennsylvania is back in play in the courts. Media runs with some judge dismissing something like it's relevant, theyve bending it for 4 years, that's just a step in the process to get things to the supreme court. Either way I see armed conflict prior to inauguration. One side wants to bury everything and one side wants sunlight on everything, then if it doesnt bear fruit they want it dissected and sunlight on its guts. 

They're gonna fuck around and get biden disqualified after it's to late and then the bigot harris will be in play. We dont want that

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Ken Hohhof]

Covid was a conspiracy:

 



 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 2:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

 

i dont believe that protests in over 50 cities organically come to fruition 
with the same materials, tactics, slogans, etc., i know, its mad to believe 
that tens of hundreds of people across the nation could coordinate anything of 
any magnitude.

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:25 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote:

Ken,

I believe it is far fetched that this was some type of coordinated effort to 
cheat.  I also believe that is is far fetched that the voting machines were 
tampered with.  Finally, I doubt these recounts are going to change anything.

But, I would like a real audit of the absentee ballots.  I would like them to 
pull a random sample of absentee ballots to check to see if the person is a 
valid voter.  Are they alive, are they still residents of the county, etc. 

I think Georgia would be fairly accurate.  I belive they did a voter roll purge 
a few years ago.  That was one of the issues with Stacey Abrams.  She got her 
panties all in a bunch, because they removed 1000's of stale voters from the 
rolls. 

I don't know if any of these other states have purged their rolls lately.  I'm 
guessing the ones that have not may have a higher percentage of bad absentee 
ballots.  At the end of the day, I don't think they will find enough votes.

--
Best regards,
Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  www.Myakka.com

--

Monday, November 23, 2020, 1:53:37 PM, you wrote:


In the transactional world of certain people, I appointed you, so you decide in 
my favor.  I don’t think that works with Supreme Court Justices.  They may not 
be everyone’s favorite judge, but they’re still a judge, not a total buffoon 
like the “elite strike force” “release the Kraken” lawyers.  I would be 
surprised if SCOTUS touched any of this.  I have my doubts about Kavanaugh’s 
love for beer, but otherwise, they are only going to accept a modest level of 
crazytown.

I also believe that is 99.9% the case with election judges, ballot counters, 
secretaries of state, etc.  Media and both parties would have you believe they 
will act solely according to party affiliation.  I think mostly they just do 
their job, even if they wish the outcome were different.

Much of what we see is projection.  If that were me, I would totally do these 
crooked things, so let’s assume that’s what everyone would do.  Nobody could 
possibly just be doing a job the best they can, with no other motives. 


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

Unless there is a direct constitutional question, scotus has no business being 
involved. The fact that scotus is even in play is a direct consequense of the 
decades of judicial politicking 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 12:14 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:


The Supremes are going to refuse to get involved; if they are asked, which I'm 
on the fence about.
bp

On 11/23/2020 10:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:


This shit is neverending entertainment. They put the crazy lady up as the lead, 
then shitcanned her, but she didnt stop and theres no infighting. Pennsylvania 
is back in play in the courts. Media runs with some judge dismissing something 
like it's relevant, theyve bending it for 4 years, that's just a step in the 
process to get things to the supreme court. Either way I see armed conflict 
prior to inauguration. One side wants to bury everything and one side wants 
sunlight on everything, then if it doesnt bear fruit they want it dissected and 
sunlight on its guts. 

They're gonna fuck around and get biden disqualified after it's to late and 
then the bigot harris will be in play. We dont want that

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:29 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:


 

 
https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-gop-challengers-we-faced-open-intimidation-detroit
 

 
https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-i-was-detroit-poll-challenger-gop-came-make-havoc
Two poll challengers in Detroit with different perspectives about what they saw 
at the exact same polling place.
I do see general agreement on the events though.  A volunteer busybody follows 
people around and questions everything they do.  They get annoyed and say, 
"buzz off, talk to my supervisor".  The Democratic challenger says, "the GOP 
poll 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Steve Jones]

i dont believe that protests in over 50 cities organically come to fruition
with the same materials, tactics, slogans, etc., i know, its mad to believe
that tens of hundreds of people across the nation could coordinate anything
of any magnitude.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 2:25 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Ken,
>
> I believe it is far fetched that this was some type of coordinated effort
> to cheat.  I also believe that is is far fetched that the voting machines
> were tampered with.  Finally, I doubt these recounts are going to change
> anything.
>
> But, I would like a real audit of the absentee ballots.  I would like them
> to pull a random sample of absentee ballots to check to see if the person
> is a valid voter.  Are they alive, are they still residents of the county,
> etc.
>
> I think Georgia would be fairly accurate.  I belive they did a voter roll
> purge a few years ago.  That was one of the issues with Stacey Abrams.  She
> got her panties all in a bunch, because they removed 1000's of stale voters
> from the rolls.
>
> I don't know if any of these other states have purged their rolls lately.
> I'm guessing the ones that have not may have a higher percentage of bad
> absentee ballots.  At the end of the day, I don't think they will find
> enough votes.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Monday, November 23, 2020, 1:53:37 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> In the transactional world of certain people, I appointed you, so you
> decide in my favor.  I don’t think that works with Supreme Court Justices.
> They may not be everyone’s favorite judge, but they’re still a judge, not a
> total buffoon like the “elite strike force” “release the Kraken” lawyers.
> I would be surprised if SCOTUS touched any of this.  I have my doubts about
> Kavanaugh’s love for beer, but otherwise, they are only going to accept a
> modest level of crazytown.
>
> I also believe that is 99.9% the case with election judges, ballot
> counters, secretaries of state, etc.  Media and both parties would have you
> believe they will act solely according to party affiliation.  I think
> mostly they just do their job, even if they wish the outcome were different.
>
> Much of what we see is projection.  If that were me, I would totally do
> these crooked things, so let’s assume that’s what everyone would do.
> Nobody could possibly just be doing a job the best they can, with no other
> motives.
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 12:27 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>
> Unless there is a direct constitutional question, scotus has no business
> being involved. The fact that scotus is even in play is a direct
> consequense of the decades of judicial politicking
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 12:14 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> The Supremes are going to refuse to get involved; if they are asked, which
> I'm on the fence about.
> bp
> 
> On 11/23/2020 10:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> This shit is neverending entertainment. They put the crazy lady up as the
> lead, then shitcanned her, but she didnt stop and theres no infighting.
> Pennsylvania is back in play in the courts. Media runs with some judge
> dismissing something like it's relevant, theyve bending it for 4 years,
> that's just a step in the process to get things to the supreme court.
> Either way I see armed conflict prior to inauguration. One side wants to
> bury everything and one side wants sunlight on everything, then if it
> doesnt bear fruit they want it dissected and sunlight on its guts.
>
> They're gonna fuck around and get biden disqualified after it's to late
> and then the bigot harris will be in play. We dont want that
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>
> https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-gop-challengers-we-faced-open-intimidation-detroit
>
> https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-i-was-detroit-poll-challenger-gop-came-make-havoc
> Two poll challengers in Detroit with different perspectives about what
> they saw at the exact same polling place.
> I do see general agreement on the events though.  A volunteer busybody
> follows people around and questions everything they do.  They get annoyed
> and say, "buzz off, talk to my supervisor".  The Democratic challenger
> says, "the GOP poll challenger was being douchey and asking accusatory
> questions.  Also racism."
> The Republican challenger says "All I did was ask questions and they got
> all douchey about it.  Also I was intimidated/oppressed."
>
> On 11/23/2020 11:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> That's the sort of thing you'd expect from Huffpost or TheOnion.
> Kind of apropos though.
>
> bp
> 
> On 11/23/2020 7:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Back to the press conference, either Fox News has totally turned against
> DJT, or someone paired the wrong 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Ken Hohhof]

If this is an urgent need, can you just use pipe-to-pipe clamps and a piece of 
pipe?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 2:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

For 6+ weeks?


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:12 PM David Coudron mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> > wrote:

We have some on back order as well.

 

David Coudron

  david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

 

Advantenon, Inc.

  i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |    
www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545 

 



 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 9:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

 

Has anyone been able to get MTOWP since Oct 8?  I'm still waiting on my back 
order from then.


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 9:35 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

I believe white rice has the bran layer removed which is also where the oil
resides.  Brown rice is probably "healthier" but only has about a 6 month
shelf life.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

It was brown Basmati rice. is there oil in that?


bp


On 10/9/2020 4:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Supposedly brown or wild rice goes bad but white rice doesn't.  Which type
did you have?  Sounds like oil went rancid.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On 
> Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 6:40 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com  
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> Stores around here seem to have tons of TP. I see pallets of it when I go
into Home Depot. The San Carlos Costco has a wall full of it. Even the local
grocery has what looks like normal shelves full of. So no worries there.
>
> There also seems to be plenty of stock of canned fruit.
>
> So maybe there is some regional-ness to it all.
>
> Rice does go stale at least. We had poured some surplus rice into a jar
that we closed up & then stuck it in  the back of the pantry where we forgot
about it for at least a year (maybe two). When we opened it up recently, it
was still "rice", but it smelled terrible.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/9/2020 4:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet 
>> paper if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your
holders).
>>
>> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking 
>> it's actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.
>> Although you'd think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or 
>> fall and then warehoused.
>>
>> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no 
>> matter what the expiration date may say.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On 
>> Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com  
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not 
>> bad enough for actual desperation...
>>
>> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:
>>> Many are.
>>> *From:* James Howard
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>> So basically preppers?
>>>
>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > *On 
>>> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com  
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>  >
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>> 12 month...
>>>
>>> *From:*Ken Hohhof
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
>>>
>>> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>> Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in 
>>> our pantry.
>>>
>>> *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > *On 
>>> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>  >
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>> I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Bill Prince]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

  
  
Since I personally have been voting absentee for well over a
  decade; in fact I am registered as permanent absentee. I haven't
  actually walked into an actual polling place in longer than I can
  remember. 

So I have a different perspective on this, and I know the checks
  they build into the system. It would be a real stretch for someone
  to impersonate my ballot. I defy anyone to try and succeed.


bp

On 11/23/2020 12:24 PM, Mark - Myakka
  Technologies wrote:


  
  
  Ken,

I believe it is far fetched that this was some type of
coordinated effort to cheat.  I also believe that is is far
fetched that the voting machines were tampered with.  Finally, I
doubt these recounts are going to change anything.

But, I would like a real audit of the absentee ballots.  I would
like them to pull a random sample of absentee ballots to check
to see if the person is a valid voter.  Are they alive, are they
still residents of the county, etc. 

I think Georgia would be fairly accurate.  I belive they did a
voter roll purge a few years ago.  That was one of the issues
with Stacey Abrams.  She got her panties all in a bunch, because
they removed 1000's of stale voters from the rolls. 

I don't know if any of these other states have purged their
rolls lately.  I'm guessing the ones that have not may have a
higher percentage of bad absentee ballots.  At the end of the
day, I don't think they will find enough votes.

--
Best regards,
Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com
  
  Myakka
Technologies, Inc.
  www.Myakka.com
  
  --

Monday, November 23, 2020, 1:53:37 PM, you wrote:

  
  

  


In
the transactional world of certain people, I appointed
you, so you decide in my favor.  I don’t think that
works with Supreme Court Justices.  They may not be
everyone’s favorite judge, but they’re still a judge,
not a total buffoon like the “elite strike force”
“release the Kraken” lawyers.  I would be surprised if
SCOTUS touched any of this.  I have my doubts about
Kavanaugh’s love for beer, but otherwise, they are only
going to accept a modest level of crazytown.

I also believe that is 99.9% the case with election
judges, ballot counters, secretaries of state, etc.
 Media and both parties would have you believe they will
act solely according to party affiliation.  I think
mostly they just do their job, even if they wish the
outcome were different.

Much of what we see is projection.  If that were me, I
would totally do these crooked things, so let’s assume
that’s what everyone would do.  Nobody could possibly
just be doing a job the best they can, with no other
motives. 


From: AF  On
  Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

Unless there is a direct constitutional question, scotus
has no business being involved. The fact that scotus is
even in play is a direct consequense of the decades of
judicial politicking 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 12:14 PM Bill Prince 
wrote:
  
  

  


The Supremes are going to
refuse to get involved; if they are asked, which
I'm on the fence about.
bp
  
  On 11/23/2020 10:06 AM,
Steve Jones wrote:
  
  

  


This shit is
neverending entertainment. They put the
crazy lady up as the lead, then
shitcanned her, but she didnt stop and
theres no infighting. Pennsylvania is
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference


Ken,

I believe it is far fetched that this was some type of coordinated effort to cheat.  I also believe that is is far fetched that the voting machines were tampered with.  Finally, I doubt these recounts are going to change anything.

But, I would like a real audit of the absentee ballots.  I would like them to pull a random sample of absentee ballots to check to see if the person is a valid voter.  Are they alive, are they still residents of the county, etc. 

I think Georgia would be fairly accurate.  I belive they did a voter roll purge a few years ago.  That was one of the issues with Stacey Abrams.  She got her panties all in a bunch, because they removed 1000's of stale voters from the rolls. 

I don't know if any of these other states have purged their rolls lately.  I'm guessing the ones that have not may have a higher percentage of bad absentee ballots.  At the end of the day, I don't think they will find enough votes.

--
Best regards,
 Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Monday, November 23, 2020, 1:53:37 PM, you wrote:





In the transactional world of certain people, I appointed you, so you decide in my favor.  I don’t think that works with Supreme Court Justices.  They may not be everyone’s favorite judge, but they’re still a judge, not a total buffoon like the “elite strike force” “release the Kraken” lawyers.  I would be surprised if SCOTUS touched any of this.  I have my doubts about Kavanaugh’s love for beer, but otherwise, they are only going to accept a modest level of crazytown.
 
I also believe that is 99.9% the case with election judges, ballot counters, secretaries of state, etc.  Media and both parties would have you believe they will act solely according to party affiliation.  I think mostly they just do their job, even if they wish the outcome were different.
 
Much of what we see is projection.  If that were me, I would totally do these crooked things, so let’s assume that’s what everyone would do.  Nobody could possibly just be doing a job the best they can, with no other motives. 
 
 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
 
Unless there is a direct constitutional question, scotus has no business being involved. The fact that scotus is even in play is a direct consequense of the decades of judicial politicking 
 
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 12:14 PM Bill Prince  wrote:




The Supremes are going to refuse to get involved; if they are asked, which I'm on the fence about.
bp

On 11/23/2020 10:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:




This shit is neverending entertainment. They put the crazy lady up as the lead, then shitcanned her, but she didnt stop and theres no infighting. Pennsylvania is back in play in the courts. Media runs with some judge dismissing something like it's relevant, theyve bending it for 4 years, that's just a step in the process to get things to the supreme court. Either way I see armed conflict prior to inauguration. One side wants to bury everything and one side wants sunlight on everything, then if it doesnt bear fruit they want it dissected and sunlight on its guts. 
 
They're gonna fuck around and get biden disqualified after it's to late and then the bigot harris will be in play. We dont want that
 
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:




https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-gop-challengers-we-faced-open-intimidation-detroit
https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-i-was-detroit-poll-challenger-gop-came-make-havoc
Two poll challengers in Detroit with different perspectives about what they saw at the exact same polling place.
I do see general agreement on the events though.  A volunteer busybody follows people around and questions everything they do.  They get annoyed and say, "buzz off, talk to my supervisor".  The Democratic challenger says, "the GOP poll challenger was being douchey and asking accusatory questions.  Also racism."  
The Republican challenger says "All I did was ask questions and they got all douchey about it.  Also I was intimidated/oppressed."
 
On 11/23/2020 11:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:




That's the sort of thing you'd expect from Huffpost or TheOnion.
Kind of apropos though.
 
bp

On 11/23/2020 7:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:




Back to the press conference, either Fox News has totally turned against DJT, or someone paired the wrong headline and photo.
 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
 
The intent was that an isp couldn't throttle competitor traffic in preference of their own, but in true bureaucratic fashion they purposefully left it vague so it could be reinterpreted at whim.
 
On Mon, Nov 23, 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Josh Luthman]

For 6+ weeks?

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:12 PM David Coudron 
wrote:

> We have some on back order as well.
>
>
>
> *David Coudron*
>
> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  *Mobile: *612-991-7474
>
>
>
> *Advantenon, Inc.  *
>
> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN
> 55447  |  www.advantenon.com  |  *Phone:* 800-704-4720  |  *Local: *
> 612-454-1545
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 9:22 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
>
>
> Has anyone been able to get MTOWP since Oct 8?  I'm still waiting on my
> back order from then.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 9:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I believe white rice has the bran layer removed which is also where the oil
> resides.  Brown rice is probably "healthier" but only has about a 6 month
> shelf life.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:03 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> It was brown Basmati rice. is there oil in that?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/9/2020 4:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Supposedly brown or wild rice goes bad but white rice doesn't.  Which
> type
> did you have?  Sounds like oil went rancid.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 6:40 PM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > Stores around here seem to have tons of TP. I see pallets of it when I go
> into Home Depot. The San Carlos Costco has a wall full of it. Even the
> local
> grocery has what looks like normal shelves full of. So no worries there.
> >
> > There also seems to be plenty of stock of canned fruit.
> >
> > So maybe there is some regional-ness to it all.
> >
> > Rice does go stale at least. We had poured some surplus rice into a jar
> that we closed up & then stuck it in  the back of the pantry where we
> forgot
> about it for at least a year (maybe two). When we opened it up recently, it
> was still "rice", but it smelled terrible.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 10/9/2020 4:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet
> >> paper if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your
> holders).
> >>
> >> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking
> >> it's actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.
> >> Although you'd think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or
> >> fall and then warehoused.
> >>
> >> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no
> >> matter what the expiration date may say.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> >> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
> >> To: af@af.afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >>
> >> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not
> >> bad enough for actual desperation...
> >>
> >> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >>> Many are.
> >>> *From:* James Howard
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
> >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >>>
> >>> So basically preppers?
> >>>
> >>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
> >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >>>
> >>> 12 month...
> >>>
> >>> *From:*Ken Hohhof
> >>>
> >>> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
> >>>
> >>> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> >>>
> >>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >>>
> >>> Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in
> >>> our pantry.
> >>>
> >>> *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >>>
> >>> I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around?
> If
> >>>   you are drop shipping everything, then why not just
> >>>
> >>>   sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they
> adding
> >>>   to your business other than an easy way for customers
> >>>
> >>>   to order your product?
> >>>
> >>>   I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your
> >> products.
> >>>   On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   Not entirely their 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[David Coudron]

We have some on back order as well.

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 
612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, 
Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  |  
www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  
Local: 612-454-1545

[cid:image001.jpg@01D6C17A.82EEFE80]

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 9:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

Has anyone been able to get MTOWP since Oct 8?  I'm still waiting on my back 
order from then.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 9:35 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I believe white rice has the bran layer removed which is also where the oil
resides.  Brown rice is probably "healthier" but only has about a 6 month
shelf life.

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

It was brown Basmati rice. is there oil in that?


bp


On 10/9/2020 4:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Supposedly brown or wild rice goes bad but white rice doesn't.  Which type
did you have?  Sounds like oil went rancid.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 6:40 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> Stores around here seem to have tons of TP. I see pallets of it when I go
into Home Depot. The San Carlos Costco has a wall full of it. Even the local
grocery has what looks like normal shelves full of. So no worries there.
>
> There also seems to be plenty of stock of canned fruit.
>
> So maybe there is some regional-ness to it all.
>
> Rice does go stale at least. We had poured some surplus rice into a jar
that we closed up & then stuck it in  the back of the pantry where we forgot
about it for at least a year (maybe two). When we opened it up recently, it
was still "rice", but it smelled terrible.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/9/2020 4:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet
>> paper if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your
holders).
>>
>> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking
>> it's actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.
>> Although you'd think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or
>> fall and then warehoused.
>>
>> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no
>> matter what the expiration date may say.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
>> Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>
>> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not
>> bad enough for actual desperation...
>>
>> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> Many are.
>>> *From:* James Howard
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>> So basically preppers?
>>>
>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On 
>>> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>>> mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>> 12 month...
>>>
>>> *From:*Ken Hohhof
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
>>>
>>> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>> Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in
>>> our pantry.
>>>
>>> *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On 
>>> Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>>>
>>> I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM 
>>> can...@believewireless.net
>>> mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around? If
>>>   you are drop shipping everything, then why not just
>>>
>>>   sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they
adding
>>>   to your business other than an easy way for customers
>>>
>>>   to order your product?
>>>
>>>   I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your
>> products.
>>>   On Fri, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I believe Kavanaugh likes beer. He testified under oath that he
  does. If he doesn't then he should be recalled for false testimony
  before Congress.


bp

On 11/23/2020 10:53 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
In the transactional world of certain
  people, I appointed you, so you decide in my favor.  I don’t
  think that works with Supreme Court Justices.  They may not be
  everyone’s favorite judge, but they’re still a judge, not a
  total buffoon like the “elite strike force” “release the
  Kraken” lawyers.  I would be surprised if SCOTUS touched any
  of this.  I have my doubts about Kavanaugh’s love for beer,
  but otherwise, they are only going to accept a modest level of
  crazytown.
 
I also believe that is 99.9% the case with
  election judges, ballot counters, secretaries of state, etc. 
  Media and both parties would have you believe they will act
  solely according to party affiliation.  I think mostly they
  just do their job, even if they wish the outcome were
  different.
 
Much of what we see is projection.  If that
  were me, I would totally do these crooked things, so let’s
  assume that’s what everyone would do.  Nobody could possibly
  just be doing a job the best they can, with no other motives.
  
 
 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Steve
Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

 

  Unless there is a direct constitutional
question, scotus has no business being involved. The fact
that scotus is even in play is a direct consequense of the
decades of judicial politicking 

 

  
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 12:14 PM Bill
  Prince 
  wrote:
  
  

  The Supremes are going to refuse to get involved; if
they are asked, which I'm on the fence about.
  bp
  
  
On 11/23/2020 10:06 AM, Steve Jones
  wrote:
  
  

  This shit is neverending
entertainment. They put the crazy lady up as the
lead, then shitcanned her, but she didnt stop and
theres no infighting. Pennsylvania is back in play
in the courts. Media runs with some judge dismissing
something like it's relevant, theyve bending it for
4 years, that's just a step in the process to get
things to the supreme court. Either way I see armed
conflict prior to inauguration. One side wants to
bury everything and one side wants sunlight on
everything, then if it doesnt bear fruit they want
it dissected and sunlight on its guts. 
  
 
  
  
They're gonna fuck around and
  get biden disqualified after it's to late and then
  the bigot harris will be in play. We dont want
  that
  

 

  
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:29 AM
  Adam Moffett 
  wrote:
  
  

  https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-gop-challengers-we-faced-open-intimidation-detroit
  https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-i-was-detroit-poll-challenger-gop-came-make-havoc
  Two poll challengers in Detroit with different
perspectives about what they saw at the exact
same polling place.
  I do see general agreement on the events
though.  A volunteer busybody follows people
around and questions everything they do.  They
get annoyed and say, "buzz off, talk to my
supervisor".  The Democratic challenger says,
"the GOP poll challenger was being douchey and
asking accusatory questions.  Also racism."  
  The Republican challenger says "All I did was
ask questions and they got all douchey about
it.  Also I 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Ken Hohhof]

In the transactional world of certain people, I appointed you, so you decide in 
my favor.  I don’t think that works with Supreme Court Justices.  They may not 
be everyone’s favorite judge, but they’re still a judge, not a total buffoon 
like the “elite strike force” “release the Kraken” lawyers.  I would be 
surprised if SCOTUS touched any of this.  I have my doubts about Kavanaugh’s 
love for beer, but otherwise, they are only going to accept a modest level of 
crazytown.

 

I also believe that is 99.9% the case with election judges, ballot counters, 
secretaries of state, etc.  Media and both parties would have you believe they 
will act solely according to party affiliation.  I think mostly they just do 
their job, even if they wish the outcome were different.

 

Much of what we see is projection.  If that were me, I would totally do these 
crooked things, so let’s assume that’s what everyone would do.  Nobody could 
possibly just be doing a job the best they can, with no other motives. 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 12:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

 

Unless there is a direct constitutional question, scotus has no business being 
involved. The fact that scotus is even in play is a direct consequense of the 
decades of judicial politicking 

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 12:14 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The Supremes are going to refuse to get involved; if they are asked, which I'm 
on the fence about.

bp


On 11/23/2020 10:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

This shit is neverending entertainment. They put the crazy lady up as the lead, 
then shitcanned her, but she didnt stop and theres no infighting. Pennsylvania 
is back in play in the courts. Media runs with some judge dismissing something 
like it's relevant, theyve bending it for 4 years, that's just a step in the 
process to get things to the supreme court. Either way I see armed conflict 
prior to inauguration. One side wants to bury everything and one side wants 
sunlight on everything, then if it doesnt bear fruit they want it dissected and 
sunlight on its guts. 

 

They're gonna fuck around and get biden disqualified after it's to late and 
then the bigot harris will be in play. We dont want that

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:29 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-gop-challengers-we-faced-open-intimidation-detroit

https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-i-was-detroit-poll-challenger-gop-came-make-havoc

Two poll challengers in Detroit with different perspectives about what they saw 
at the exact same polling place.

I do see general agreement on the events though.  A volunteer busybody follows 
people around and questions everything they do.  They get annoyed and say, 
"buzz off, talk to my supervisor".  The Democratic challenger says, "the GOP 
poll challenger was being douchey and asking accusatory questions.  Also 
racism."  

The Republican challenger says "All I did was ask questions and they got all 
douchey about it.  Also I was intimidated/oppressed."

 

On 11/23/2020 11:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

That's the sort of thing you'd expect from Huffpost or TheOnion.

Kind of apropos though.

 

bp


On 11/23/2020 7:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Back to the press conference, either Fox News has totally turned against DJT, 
or someone paired the wrong headline and photo.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

 

The intent was that an isp couldn't throttle competitor traffic in preference 
of their own, but in true bureaucratic fashion they purposefully left it vague 
so it could be reinterpreted at whim.

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:55 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The 2015 Open Internet Order didn't do even 1/10th of the things attributed to 
it.  It had nothing to do with congestion, censorship, freedom, service 
pricing, etc.

 

The rules were no blocking, no throttling, and no paid prioritization.  All 
three rules had the exception for "reasonable network management". Reasonable 
management was not specifically defined, but in discussion it was said to be 
driven by a technical need rather than a business one.  So the blocking and 
throttling we all do to make traffic flow properly was ok and nobody was ever 
going to pay any of us for prioritization.  I've never been convinced that the 
rule was necessary.  It seemed like a rule saying ISP's can't build moon 
rocketslike ok I'll stop my Apollo project immediately.  

 

The actual rules were trivial to obey and I'd bet almost nobody here was ever 
breaking them  My only concern was Title II status could open the door on 
additional rules that might be more onerous 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Steve Jones]

Its will be bloody and harsh, that is for sure

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 12:22 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Can you image the carnage if some how, some way Trump comes out on top.
> The riots in the streets would be unprecedented.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Monday, November 23, 2020, 1:06:46 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> This shit is neverending entertainment. They put the crazy lady up as the
> lead, then shitcanned her, but she didnt stop and theres no infighting.
> Pennsylvania is back in play in the courts. Media runs with some judge
> dismissing something like it's relevant, theyve bending it for 4 years,
> that's just a step in the process to get things to the supreme court.
> Either way I see armed conflict prior to inauguration. One side wants to
> bury everything and one side wants sunlight on everything, then if it
> doesnt bear fruit they want it dissected and sunlight on its guts.
>
> They're gonna fuck around and get biden disqualified after it's to late
> and then the bigot harris will be in play. We dont want that
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>
> https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-gop-challengers-we-faced-open-intimidation-detroit
>
> https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-i-was-detroit-poll-challenger-gop-came-make-havoc
> Two poll challengers in Detroit with different perspectives about what
> they saw at the exact same polling place.
> I do see general agreement on the events though.  A volunteer busybody
> follows people around and questions everything they do.  They get annoyed
> and say, "buzz off, talk to my supervisor".  The Democratic challenger
> says, "the GOP poll challenger was being douchey and asking accusatory
> questions.  Also racism."
> The Republican challenger says "All I did was ask questions and they got
> all douchey about it.  Also I was intimidated/oppressed."
>
> On 11/23/2020 11:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> That's the sort of thing you'd expect from Huffpost or TheOnion.
> Kind of apropos though.
>
> bp
> 
> On 11/23/2020 7:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Back to the press conference, either Fox News has totally turned against
> DJT, or someone paired the wrong headline and photo.
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>
> The intent was that an isp couldn't throttle competitor traffic in
> preference of their own, but in true bureaucratic fashion they purposefully
> left it vague so it could be reinterpreted at whim.
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:55 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> The 2015 Open Internet Order didn't do even 1/10th of the things
> attributed to it.  It had nothing to do with congestion, censorship,
> freedom, service pricing, etc.
>
> The rules were no blocking, no throttling, and no paid prioritization.
> All three rules had the exception for "reasonable network management".
> Reasonable management was not specifically defined, but in discussion it
> was said to be driven by a technical need rather than a business one.  So
> the blocking and throttling we all do to make traffic flow properly was ok
> and nobody was ever going to pay any of us for prioritization.  I've never
> been convinced that the rule was necessary.  It seemed like a rule saying
> ISP's can't build moon rocketslike ok I'll stop my Apollo project
> immediately.
>
> The actual rules were trivial to obey and I'd bet almost nobody here was
> ever breaking them  My only concern was Title II status could open the door
> on additional rules that might be more onerous later.
>
>
> On 11/23/2020 8:40 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> The original Net Neutrality had nothing to do with congested upstream or
> peering ports.
>
>
> Why force your competition to be less bad?
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>
> The Brothers WISP 
>
>
>
> --
> *From: *"Darin Steffl"  
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> 
> *Sent: *Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:48:05 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
> If net neutrality comes back, there will likely be similar exemptions for
> ISP's less than 100k subscribers or whatever the number was before.
>
> It shouldn't affect us in any real way. It will force the big ISP's to be
> good (better?) guys and not let peering cross connects fill up and become
> congested for example.
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 9:45 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 11/21/20 7:36 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > But as amusing as this may be, it might be time to start looking at how
> > the next administration could affect WISPs.  Like a 3-2 Dem FCC and a
> > new Chairman 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Steve Jones]

Unless there is a direct constitutional question, scotus has no business
being involved. The fact that scotus is even in play is a direct
consequense of the decades of judicial politicking

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 12:14 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> The Supremes are going to refuse to get involved; if they are asked, which
> I'm on the fence about.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/23/2020 10:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> This shit is neverending entertainment. They put the crazy lady up as the
> lead, then shitcanned her, but she didnt stop and theres no infighting.
> Pennsylvania is back in play in the courts. Media runs with some judge
> dismissing something like it's relevant, theyve bending it for 4 years,
> that's just a step in the process to get things to the supreme court.
> Either way I see armed conflict prior to inauguration. One side wants to
> bury everything and one side wants sunlight on everything, then if it
> doesnt bear fruit they want it dissected and sunlight on its guts.
>
> They're gonna fuck around and get biden disqualified after it's to late
> and then the bigot harris will be in play. We dont want that
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-gop-challengers-we-faced-open-intimidation-detroit
>>
>>
>> https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-i-was-detroit-poll-challenger-gop-came-make-havoc
>>
>> Two poll challengers in Detroit with different perspectives about what
>> they saw at the exact same polling place.
>>
>> I do see general agreement on the events though.  A volunteer busybody
>> follows people around and questions everything they do.  They get annoyed
>> and say, "buzz off, talk to my supervisor".  The Democratic challenger
>> says, "the GOP poll challenger was being douchey and asking accusatory
>> questions.  Also racism."
>>
>> The Republican challenger says "All I did was ask questions and they got
>> all douchey about it.  Also I was intimidated/oppressed."
>>
>>
>> On 11/23/2020 11:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> That's the sort of thing you'd expect from Huffpost or TheOnion.
>>
>> Kind of apropos though.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 11/23/2020 7:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Back to the press conference, either Fox News has totally turned against
>> DJT, or someone paired the wrong headline and photo.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>>
>>
>>
>> The intent was that an isp couldn't throttle competitor traffic in
>> preference of their own, but in true bureaucratic fashion they purposefully
>> left it vague so it could be reinterpreted at whim.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:55 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> The 2015 Open Internet Order didn't do even 1/10th of the things
>> attributed to it.  It had nothing to do with congestion, censorship,
>> freedom, service pricing, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> The rules were no blocking, no throttling, and no paid prioritization.
>> All three rules had the exception for "reasonable network management".
>> Reasonable management was not specifically defined, but in discussion it
>> was said to be driven by a technical need rather than a business one.  So
>> the blocking and throttling we all do to make traffic flow properly was ok
>> and nobody was ever going to pay any of us for prioritization.  I've never
>> been convinced that the rule was necessary.  It seemed like a rule saying
>> ISP's can't build moon rocketslike ok I'll stop my Apollo project
>> immediately.
>>
>>
>>
>> The actual rules were trivial to obey and I'd bet almost nobody here was
>> ever breaking them  My only concern was Title II status could open the door
>> on additional rules that might be more onerous later.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/23/2020 8:40 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> The original Net Neutrality had nothing to do with congested upstream or
>> peering ports.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Why force your competition to be less bad?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" 
>> 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> 
>> *Sent: *Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:48:05 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>>
>> If net neutrality comes back, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Carl Peterson]

"Pennsylvania is back in play in the courts"  Hahahahahahahaha ha ah ha.
The "appeal"  which isn't even an appeal, is a total joke.  It is more of a
plea, with no grounds in law, to let them go back to the beginning and try
again.  It will be summarily dismissed and the SC will not take it up.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 12:07 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> This shit is neverending entertainment. They put the crazy lady up as the
> lead, then shitcanned her, but she didnt stop and theres no infighting.
> Pennsylvania is back in play in the courts. Media runs with some judge
> dismissing something like it's relevant, theyve bending it for 4 years,
> that's just a step in the process to get things to the supreme court.
> Either way I see armed conflict prior to inauguration. One side wants to
> bury everything and one side wants sunlight on everything, then if it
> doesnt bear fruit they want it dissected and sunlight on its guts.
>
> They're gonna fuck around and get biden disqualified after it's to late
> and then the bigot harris will be in play. We dont want that
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-gop-challengers-we-faced-open-intimidation-detroit
>>
>>
>> https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-i-was-detroit-poll-challenger-gop-came-make-havoc
>>
>> Two poll challengers in Detroit with different perspectives about what
>> they saw at the exact same polling place.
>>
>> I do see general agreement on the events though.  A volunteer busybody
>> follows people around and questions everything they do.  They get annoyed
>> and say, "buzz off, talk to my supervisor".  The Democratic challenger
>> says, "the GOP poll challenger was being douchey and asking accusatory
>> questions.  Also racism."
>>
>> The Republican challenger says "All I did was ask questions and they got
>> all douchey about it.  Also I was intimidated/oppressed."
>>
>>
>> On 11/23/2020 11:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> That's the sort of thing you'd expect from Huffpost or TheOnion.
>>
>> Kind of apropos though.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 11/23/2020 7:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Back to the press conference, either Fox News has totally turned against
>> DJT, or someone paired the wrong headline and photo.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>>
>>
>>
>> The intent was that an isp couldn't throttle competitor traffic in
>> preference of their own, but in true bureaucratic fashion they purposefully
>> left it vague so it could be reinterpreted at whim.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:55 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> The 2015 Open Internet Order didn't do even 1/10th of the things
>> attributed to it.  It had nothing to do with congestion, censorship,
>> freedom, service pricing, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> The rules were no blocking, no throttling, and no paid prioritization.
>> All three rules had the exception for "reasonable network management".
>> Reasonable management was not specifically defined, but in discussion it
>> was said to be driven by a technical need rather than a business one.  So
>> the blocking and throttling we all do to make traffic flow properly was ok
>> and nobody was ever going to pay any of us for prioritization.  I've never
>> been convinced that the rule was necessary.  It seemed like a rule saying
>> ISP's can't build moon rocketslike ok I'll stop my Apollo project
>> immediately.
>>
>>
>>
>> The actual rules were trivial to obey and I'd bet almost nobody here was
>> ever breaking them  My only concern was Title II status could open the door
>> on additional rules that might be more onerous later.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/23/2020 8:40 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> The original Net Neutrality had nothing to do with congested upstream or
>> peering ports.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Why force your competition to be less bad?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" 
>> 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> 
>> *Sent: *Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:48:05 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>>
>> If net neutrality comes back, there will likely be similar exemptions for
>> ISP's 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference


Steve,

Can you image the carnage if some how, some way Trump comes out on top.  The riots in the streets would be unprecedented.


--
Best regards,
 Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Monday, November 23, 2020, 1:06:46 PM, you wrote:






This shit is neverending entertainment. They put the crazy lady up as the lead, then shitcanned her, but she didnt stop and theres no infighting. Pennsylvania is back in play in the courts. Media runs with some judge dismissing something like it's relevant, theyve bending it for 4 years, that's just a step in the process to get things to the supreme court. Either way I see armed conflict prior to inauguration. One side wants to bury everything and one side wants sunlight on everything, then if it doesnt bear fruit they want it dissected and sunlight on its guts.

They're gonna fuck around and get biden disqualified after it's to late and then the bigot harris will be in play. We dont want that

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:




https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-gop-challengers-we-faced-open-intimidation-detroit
https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-i-was-detroit-poll-challenger-gop-came-make-havoc
Two poll challengers in Detroit with different perspectives about what they saw at the exact same polling place.
I do see general agreement on the events though.  A volunteer busybody follows people around and questions everything they do.  They get annoyed and say, "buzz off, talk to my supervisor".  The Democratic challenger says, "the GOP poll challenger was being douchey and asking accusatory questions.  Also racism."  
The Republican challenger says "All I did was ask questions and they got all douchey about it.  Also I was intimidated/oppressed."

On 11/23/2020 11:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:




That's the sort of thing you'd expect from Huffpost or TheOnion.
Kind of apropos though.

bp

On 11/23/2020 7:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:




Back to the press conference, either Fox News has totally turned against DJT, or someone paired the wrong headline and photo.
 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
 
The intent was that an isp couldn't throttle competitor traffic in preference of their own, but in true bureaucratic fashion they purposefully left it vague so it could be reinterpreted at whim.
 
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:55 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:




The 2015 Open Internet Order didn't do even 1/10th of the things attributed to it.  It had nothing to do with congestion, censorship, freedom, service pricing, etc.
 
The rules were no blocking, no throttling, and no paid prioritization.  All three rules had the exception for "reasonable network management". Reasonable management was not specifically defined, but in discussion it was said to be driven by a technical need rather than a business one.  So the blocking and throttling we all do to make traffic flow properly was ok and nobody was ever going to pay any of us for prioritization.  I've never been convinced that the rule was necessary.  It seemed like a rule saying ISP's can't build moon rocketslike ok I'll stop my Apollo project immediately.  
 
The actual rules were trivial to obey and I'd bet almost nobody here was ever breaking them  My only concern was Title II status could open the door on additional rules that might be more onerous later. 
 
 
On 11/23/2020 8:40 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:




The original Net Neutrality had nothing to do with congested upstream or peering ports. 
 
 
Why force your competition to be less bad?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP



From: "Darin Steffl" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:48:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
If net neutrality comes back, there will likely be similar exemptions for ISP's less than 100k subscribers or whatever the number was before. 
 
It shouldn't affect us in any real way. It will force the big ISP's to be good (better?) guys and not let peering cross connects fill up and become congested for example. 
 
On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 9:45 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:




On 11/21/20 7:36 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> But as amusing as this may be, it might be time to start looking at how 
> the next administration could affect WISPs.  Like a 3-2 Dem FCC and a 
> new Chairman (woman?).  Will Net Neutrality and Title II return?  Does 
> it matter?
> 


Net neutrality seems likely to make a comeback. Would it change anything 
I do? No, but it might add annoying paperwork. Worst case someone thinks 
I'm doing something and files a formal complaint, which would waste time 
having to answer it.

-- 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Bill Prince]

  
  
The Supremes are going to refuse to get involved; if they are
  asked, which I'm on the fence about.

bp

On 11/23/2020 10:06 AM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  This shit is neverending entertainment. They put
the crazy lady up as the lead, then shitcanned her, but she
didnt stop and theres no infighting. Pennsylvania is back in
play in the courts. Media runs with some judge dismissing
something like it's relevant, theyve bending it for 4 years,
that's just a step in the process to get things to the supreme
court. Either way I see armed conflict prior to inauguration.
One side wants to bury everything and one side wants sunlight on
everything, then if it doesnt bear fruit they want it dissected
and sunlight on its guts.


They're gonna fuck around and get biden
  disqualified after it's to late and then the bigot harris will
  be in play. We dont want that
  
  
  
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:29 AM
  Adam Moffett  wrote:


  
https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-gop-challengers-we-faced-open-intimidation-detroit
https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-i-was-detroit-poll-challenger-gop-came-make-havoc
Two poll challengers in Detroit with different
  perspectives about what they saw at the exact same polling
  place.
I do see general agreement on the events though.  A
  volunteer busybody follows people around and questions
  everything they do.  They get annoyed and say, "buzz off,
  talk to my supervisor".  The Democratic challenger says,
  "the GOP poll challenger was being douchey and asking
  accusatory questions.  Also racism."  

The Republican challenger says "All I did was ask
  questions and they got all douchey about it.  Also I was
  intimidated/oppressed."



On 11/23/2020 11:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


  That's the sort of thing you'd expect from Huffpost or
TheOnion.
  Kind of apropos though.
  
  
  bp

  On 11/23/2020 7:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  
  

  Back to the press conference,
either Fox News has totally turned against DJT, or
someone paired the wrong headline and photo.
   
  
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press
  conference
  
   
  
The intent was that an isp
  couldn't throttle competitor traffic in preference
  of their own, but in true bureaucratic fashion
  they purposefully left it vague so it could be
  reinterpreted at whim.
  
   
  

  On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:55 AM
Adam Moffett 
wrote:


  
The 2015 Open Internet Order didn't do even
  1/10th of the things attributed to it.  It had
  nothing to do with congestion, censorship,
  freedom, service pricing, etc.
 
The rules were no blocking, no throttling,
  and no paid prioritization.  All three rules
  had the exception for "reasonable network
  management". Reasonable management was not
  specifically defined, but in discussion it was
  said to be driven by a technical need rather
  than a business one.  So the blocking and
  throttling we all do to make traffic flow
  properly was ok and nobody was ever going to
  pay any of us for prioritization.  I've never
  been convinced that the rule was necessary. 
  It seemed like a rule saying ISP's can't build
  moon rocketslike ok I'll stop my Apollo
  project immediately.  
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Steve Jones]

This shit is neverending entertainment. They put the crazy lady up as the
lead, then shitcanned her, but she didnt stop and theres no infighting.
Pennsylvania is back in play in the courts. Media runs with some judge
dismissing something like it's relevant, theyve bending it for 4 years,
that's just a step in the process to get things to the supreme court.
Either way I see armed conflict prior to inauguration. One side wants to
bury everything and one side wants sunlight on everything, then if it
doesnt bear fruit they want it dissected and sunlight on its guts.

They're gonna fuck around and get biden disqualified after it's to late and
then the bigot harris will be in play. We dont want that

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 11:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

>
> https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-gop-challengers-we-faced-open-intimidation-detroit
>
>
> https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-i-was-detroit-poll-challenger-gop-came-make-havoc
>
> Two poll challengers in Detroit with different perspectives about what
> they saw at the exact same polling place.
>
> I do see general agreement on the events though.  A volunteer busybody
> follows people around and questions everything they do.  They get annoyed
> and say, "buzz off, talk to my supervisor".  The Democratic challenger
> says, "the GOP poll challenger was being douchey and asking accusatory
> questions.  Also racism."
>
> The Republican challenger says "All I did was ask questions and they got
> all douchey about it.  Also I was intimidated/oppressed."
>
>
> On 11/23/2020 11:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> That's the sort of thing you'd expect from Huffpost or TheOnion.
>
> Kind of apropos though.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/23/2020 7:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Back to the press conference, either Fox News has totally turned against
> DJT, or someone paired the wrong headline and photo.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>
>
>
> The intent was that an isp couldn't throttle competitor traffic in
> preference of their own, but in true bureaucratic fashion they purposefully
> left it vague so it could be reinterpreted at whim.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:55 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> The 2015 Open Internet Order didn't do even 1/10th of the things
> attributed to it.  It had nothing to do with congestion, censorship,
> freedom, service pricing, etc.
>
>
>
> The rules were no blocking, no throttling, and no paid prioritization.
> All three rules had the exception for "reasonable network management".
> Reasonable management was not specifically defined, but in discussion it
> was said to be driven by a technical need rather than a business one.  So
> the blocking and throttling we all do to make traffic flow properly was ok
> and nobody was ever going to pay any of us for prioritization.  I've never
> been convinced that the rule was necessary.  It seemed like a rule saying
> ISP's can't build moon rocketslike ok I'll stop my Apollo project
> immediately.
>
>
>
> The actual rules were trivial to obey and I'd bet almost nobody here was
> ever breaking them  My only concern was Title II status could open the door
> on additional rules that might be more onerous later.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/23/2020 8:40 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> The original Net Neutrality had nothing to do with congested upstream or
> peering ports.
>
>
>
>
>
> Why force your competition to be less bad?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Darin Steffl"  
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> 
> *Sent: *Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:48:05 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>
> If net neutrality comes back, there will likely be similar exemptions for
> ISP's less than 100k subscribers or whatever the number was before.
>
>
>
> It shouldn't affect us in any real way. It will force the big ISP's to be
> good (better?) guys and not let peering cross connects fill up and become
> congested for example.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 9:45 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 11/21/20 7:36 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > But as amusing as this may be, it might be time to start looking at how
> > the next administration could affect WISPs.  Like a 3-2 Dem FCC and a
> > 

Re: [AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

We don't charge a retainer fee, just hourly for someone to stand there and plug 
things in for them. 

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:08 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing

So they get 2 hr per month, or you charge them base 2hr every month then actual 
time on top of that?

On 11/23/2020 11:07 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:
> We charge our base labor rate with a 2 hr minimum. $60/hr x 2.
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-999-7000
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:03 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing
>
> Anybody do 'Remote hands' Services?  Just a body that will go to a location 
> and follow directions.  I've had a request for it and I have no idea what to 
> charge.  How do Datacenters price it, base Monthly price + time?
>
> Is it like  $400/month service or a $20/month service?  Seems like anything 
> that will be less than the cost of them buying a plane ticket should be worth 
> it to them.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing

[Seth Mattinen]

On 11/23/20 9:02 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
Anybody do 'Remote hands' Services?  Just a body that will go to a 
location and follow directions.  I've had a request for it and I have no 
idea what to charge.  How do Datacenters price it, base Monthly price + 
time?



For colo customers I charge $95/hr with a one hour minimum per request.

Coresite charges $225.00/hour per employee required.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Ken Hohhof]

They should ask Reddit to decide.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:29 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

 

https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-gop-challengers-we-faced-open-intimidation-detroit

https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-i-was-detroit-poll-challenger-gop-came-make-havoc

Two poll challengers in Detroit with different perspectives about what they saw 
at the exact same polling place.

I do see general agreement on the events though.  A volunteer busybody follows 
people around and questions everything they do.  They get annoyed and say, 
"buzz off, talk to my supervisor".  The Democratic challenger says, "the GOP 
poll challenger was being douchey and asking accusatory questions.  Also 
racism."  

The Republican challenger says "All I did was ask questions and they got all 
douchey about it.  Also I was intimidated/oppressed."

 

On 11/23/2020 11:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

That's the sort of thing you'd expect from Huffpost or TheOnion.

Kind of apropos though.

 

bp


On 11/23/2020 7:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Back to the press conference, either Fox News has totally turned against DJT, 
or someone paired the wrong headline and photo.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

 

The intent was that an isp couldn't throttle competitor traffic in preference 
of their own, but in true bureaucratic fashion they purposefully left it vague 
so it could be reinterpreted at whim.

 

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:55 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The 2015 Open Internet Order didn't do even 1/10th of the things attributed to 
it.  It had nothing to do with congestion, censorship, freedom, service 
pricing, etc.

 

The rules were no blocking, no throttling, and no paid prioritization.  All 
three rules had the exception for "reasonable network management". Reasonable 
management was not specifically defined, but in discussion it was said to be 
driven by a technical need rather than a business one.  So the blocking and 
throttling we all do to make traffic flow properly was ok and nobody was ever 
going to pay any of us for prioritization.  I've never been convinced that the 
rule was necessary.  It seemed like a rule saying ISP's can't build moon 
rocketslike ok I'll stop my Apollo project immediately.  

 

The actual rules were trivial to obey and I'd bet almost nobody here was ever 
breaking them  My only concern was Title II status could open the door on 
additional rules that might be more onerous later. 

 

 

On 11/23/2020 8:40 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

The original Net Neutrality had nothing to do with congested upstream or 
peering ports. 

 

 

Why force your competition to be less bad?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions  
   
  
  
 
Midwest Internet Exchange  
   
  
 
The Brothers WISP  
   
 





  _  


From: "Darin Steffl"   
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"   

Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:48:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

If net neutrality comes back, there will likely be similar exemptions for ISP's 
less than 100k subscribers or whatever the number was before. 

 

It shouldn't affect us in any real way. It will force the big ISP's to be good 
(better?) guys and not let peering cross connects fill up and become congested 
for example. 

 

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 9:45 PM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 11/21/20 7:36 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> But as amusing as this may be, it might be time to start looking at how 
> the next administration could affect WISPs.  Like a 3-2 Dem FCC and a 
> new Chairman (woman?).  Will Net Neutrality and Title II return?  Does 
> it matter?
> 


Net neutrality seems likely to make a comeback. Would it change anything 
I do? No, but it might add annoying paperwork. Worst case someone thinks 
I'm doing something and files a formal complaint, which would waste time 
having to answer it.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Adam Moffett]

https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-gop-challengers-we-faced-open-intimidation-detroit

https://www.bridgemi.com/guest-commentary/first-person-i-was-detroit-poll-challenger-gop-came-make-havoc

Two poll challengers in Detroit with different perspectives about what 
they saw at the exact same polling place.


I do see general agreement on the events though.  A volunteer busybody 
follows people around and questions everything they do. They get annoyed 
and say, "buzz off, talk to my supervisor".  The Democratic challenger 
says, "the GOP poll challenger was being douchey and asking accusatory 
questions.  Also racism."


The Republican challenger says "All I did was ask questions and they got 
all douchey about it.  Also I was intimidated/oppressed."



On 11/23/2020 11:33 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


That's the sort of thing you'd expect from Huffpost or TheOnion.

Kind of apropos though.


bp

On 11/23/2020 7:50 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Back to the press conference, either Fox News has totally turned 
against DJT, or someone paired the wrong headline and photo.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

The intent was that an isp couldn't throttle competitor traffic in 
preference of their own, but in true bureaucratic fashion they 
purposefully left it vague so it could be reinterpreted at whim.


On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:55 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


The 2015 Open Internet Order didn't do even 1/10th of the things
attributed to it.  It had nothing to do with congestion,
censorship, freedom, service pricing, etc.

The rules were no blocking, no throttling, and no paid
prioritization.  All three rules had the exception for
"reasonable network management". Reasonable management was not
specifically defined, but in discussion it was said to be driven
by a technical need rather than a business one.  So the blocking
and throttling we all do to make traffic flow properly was ok and
nobody was ever going to pay any of us for prioritization.  I've
never been convinced that the rule was necessary.  It seemed like
a rule saying ISP's can't build moon rocketslike ok I'll stop
my Apollo project immediately.

The actual rules were trivial to obey and I'd bet almost nobody
here was ever breaking them  My only concern was Title II status
could open the door on additional rules that might be more
onerous later.

On 11/23/2020 8:40 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

The original Net Neutrality had nothing to do with congested
upstream or peering ports.

Why force your competition to be less bad?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Darin Steffl" 

*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 

*Sent: *Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:48:05 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

If net neutrality comes back, there will likely be similar
exemptions for ISP's less than 100k subscribers or whatever
the number was before.

It shouldn't affect us in any real way. It will force the big
ISP's to be good (better?) guys and not let peering cross
connects fill up and become congested for example.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 9:45 PM Seth Mattinen
mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:

On 11/21/20 7:36 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> But as amusing as this may be, it might be time to
start looking at how
> the next administration could affect WISPs.  Like a 3-2
Dem FCC and a
> new Chairman (woman?).  Will Net Neutrality and Title
II return?  Does
> it matter?
>


Net neutrality seems likely to make a comeback. Would it
change anything
I do? No, but it might add annoying paperwork. Worst case
someone thinks
I'm doing something and files a formal complaint, which
would waste time
having to answer it.

Re: [AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing

[Lewis Bergman]

$150 an hour plus mileage and travel

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 11:08 AM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> We charge our base labor rate with a 2 hr minimum. $60/hr x 2.
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-999-7000
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:03 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing
>
> Anybody do 'Remote hands' Services?  Just a body that will go to a
> location and follow directions.  I've had a request for it and I have no
> idea what to charge.  How do Datacenters price it, base Monthly price +
> time?
>
> Is it like  $400/month service or a $20/month service?  Seems like
> anything that will be less than the cost of them buying a plane ticket
> should be worth it to them.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing

[Nate Burke]

So they get 2 hr per month, or you charge them base 2hr every month then 
actual time on top of that?


On 11/23/2020 11:07 AM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] wrote:

We charge our base labor rate with a 2 hr minimum. $60/hr x 2.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:03 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing

Anybody do 'Remote hands' Services?  Just a body that will go to a location and 
follow directions.  I've had a request for it and I have no idea what to 
charge.  How do Datacenters price it, base Monthly price + time?

Is it like  $400/month service or a $20/month service?  Seems like anything 
that will be less than the cost of them buying a plane ticket should be worth 
it to them.

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Re: [AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

We charge our base labor rate with a 2 hr minimum. $60/hr x 2.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-999-7000
http://www.brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 11:03 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing

Anybody do 'Remote hands' Services?  Just a body that will go to a location and 
follow directions.  I've had a request for it and I have no idea what to 
charge.  How do Datacenters price it, base Monthly price + time?

Is it like  $400/month service or a $20/month service?  Seems like anything 
that will be less than the cost of them buying a plane ticket should be worth 
it to them.

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[AFMUG] Remote Hands Pricing

[Nate Burke]

Anybody do 'Remote hands' Services?  Just a body that will go to a 
location and follow directions.  I've had a request for it and I have no 
idea what to charge.  How do Datacenters price it, base Monthly price + 
time?


Is it like  $400/month service or a $20/month service?  Seems like 
anything that will be less than the cost of them buying a plane ticket 
should be worth it to them.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Bill Prince]

  
  
That's the sort of thing you'd expect from Huffpost or TheOnion.
Kind of apropos though.


bp

On 11/23/2020 7:50 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Back to the press conference, either Fox
  News has totally turned against DJT, or someone paired the
  wrong headline and photo.
 

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Steve
Jones
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 9:06 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

 

  The intent was that an isp couldn't
throttle competitor traffic in preference of their own, but
in true bureaucratic fashion they purposefully left it vague
so it could be reinterpreted at whim.

 

  
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:55 AM Adam
  Moffett 
  wrote:
  
  

  The 2015 Open Internet Order didn't do even 1/10th of
the things attributed to it.  It had nothing to do with
congestion, censorship, freedom, service pricing, etc.
   
  The rules were no blocking, no throttling, and no paid
prioritization.  All three rules had the exception for
"reasonable network management". Reasonable management
was not specifically defined, but in discussion it was
said to be driven by a technical need rather than a
business one.  So the blocking and throttling we all do
to make traffic flow properly was ok and nobody was ever
going to pay any of us for prioritization.  I've never
been convinced that the rule was necessary.  It seemed
like a rule saying ISP's can't build moon
rocketslike ok I'll stop my Apollo project
immediately.  
   
  The actual rules were trivial to obey and I'd bet
almost nobody here was ever breaking them  My only
concern was Title II status could open the door on
additional rules that might be more onerous later. 
   
   
  
On 11/23/2020 8:40 AM, Mike Hammett
  wrote:
  
  

  The
  original Net Neutrality had nothing to do with
  congested upstream or peering ports. 
  
 
  
  
 
  
  
Why
force your competition to be less bad?

  
  
  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent
Computing Solutions

  Midwest
Internet Exchange

  The
Brothers WISP



  




  From:
  "Darin
  Steffl" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
  
  Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020
  9:48:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press
  conference
  
If
net neutrality comes back, there will likely
be similar exemptions for ISP's less than
100k subscribers or whatever the number was
before. 

   


  It
  shouldn't affect us in any real way. It
  will force the big ISP's to be good
  (better?) guys and not let peering cross
  connects fill up and become congested for
  example. 

  
   
  

  On
  Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 9:45 PM Seth Mattinen
  
 

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24

[Josh Luthman]

Has anyone been able to get MTOWP since Oct 8?  I'm still waiting on my
back order from then.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 9:35 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I believe white rice has the bran layer removed which is also where the oil
> resides.  Brown rice is probably "healthier" but only has about a 6 month
> shelf life.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 7:03 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
>
> It was brown Basmati rice. is there oil in that?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 10/9/2020 4:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Supposedly brown or wild rice goes bad but white rice doesn't.  Which
> type
> did you have?  Sounds like oil went rancid.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> > Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 6:40 PM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >
> > Stores around here seem to have tons of TP. I see pallets of it when I go
> into Home Depot. The San Carlos Costco has a wall full of it. Even the
> local
> grocery has what looks like normal shelves full of. So no worries there.
> >
> > There also seems to be plenty of stock of canned fruit.
> >
> > So maybe there is some regional-ness to it all.
> >
> > Rice does go stale at least. We had poured some surplus rice into a jar
> that we closed up & then stuck it in  the back of the pantry where we
> forgot
> about it for at least a year (maybe two). When we opened it up recently, it
> was still "rice", but it smelled terrible.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 10/9/2020 4:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >> Most of the shortages seem to have abated.  Still hard to find toilet
> >> paper if you don't want the MEGA rolls (because they don't fit on your
> holders).
> >>
> >> The most persistent shortage seems to be canned fruit.  I'm thinking
> >> it's actually the cans that are in short supply, not the fruit.
> >> Although you'd think all the fruit would be canned in late summer or
> >> fall and then warehoused.
> >>
> >> Supposedly white rice and dried beans are good basically forever, no
> >> matter what the expiration date may say.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> >> Sent: Friday, October 9, 2020 4:10 PM
> >> To: af@af.afmug.com
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >>
> >> 2020 has been the preppers dream, bad enough for justification, not
> >> bad enough for actual desperation...
> >>
> >> On 10/09/2020 01:46 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >>> Many are.
> >>> *From:* James Howard
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:28 PM
> >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >>>
> >>> So basically preppers?
> >>>
> >>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 2:53 PM
> >>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >>>
> >>> 12 month...
> >>>
> >>> *From:*Ken Hohhof
> >>>
> >>> *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 1:14 PM
> >>>
> >>> *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> >>>
> >>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >>>
> >>> Chuck probably figures we keep the standard LDS 3 month supply in
> >>> our pantry.
> >>>
> >>> *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 9, 2020 1:54 PM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >>>
> >>> I totally agree, the drop shipping thing drives me nuts.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:30 PM can...@believewireless.net
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   If distributors won't stock your product, why keep them around?
> If
> >>>   you are drop shipping everything, then why not just
> >>>
> >>>   sell direct and get rid of distributors? What value are they
> adding
> >>>   to your business other than an easy way for customers
> >>>
> >>>   to order your product?
> >>>
> >>>   I'd order from you directly if it was the only way to get your
> >> products.
> >>>   On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:52 PM  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>   Not entirely their fault, some of them do stock.  We did have
> a
> >>>   gap in production of a few weeks a while back but nothing a
> bit
> >>>   of safety stock would not cure.
> >>>
> >>>   I offer them all virtual warehouse space at zero cost.  They
> can
> >>>   stock it here and drop ship from here.  But still, cash must
> be
> >>>   too tight for them to do that.
> >>>
> >>>   *From:*Josh Luthman
> >>>
> >>>   *Sent:*Friday, October 9, 2020 11:30 AM
> >>>
> >>>   *To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>>
> >>>   *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] Source for 2x M-TOW-P-24
> >>>
> >>>   *sigh* daily struggle
> >>>
> >>>   Josh Luthman
> >>>   

Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Steve Jones]

The intent was that an isp couldn't throttle competitor traffic in
preference of their own, but in true bureaucratic fashion they purposefully
left it vague so it could be reinterpreted at whim.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 7:55 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> The 2015 Open Internet Order didn't do even 1/10th of the things
> attributed to it.  It had nothing to do with congestion, censorship,
> freedom, service pricing, etc.
>
>
> The rules were no blocking, no throttling, and no paid prioritization.
> All three rules had the exception for "reasonable network management".
> Reasonable management was not specifically defined, but in discussion it
> was said to be driven by a technical need rather than a business one.  So
> the blocking and throttling we all do to make traffic flow properly was ok
> and nobody was ever going to pay any of us for prioritization.  I've never
> been convinced that the rule was necessary.  It seemed like a rule saying
> ISP's can't build moon rocketslike ok I'll stop my Apollo project
> immediately.
>
>
> The actual rules were trivial to obey and I'd bet almost nobody here was
> ever breaking them  My only concern was Title II status could open the door
> on additional rules that might be more onerous later.
>
>
>
> On 11/23/2020 8:40 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> The original Net Neutrality had nothing to do with congested upstream or
> peering ports.
>
>
> Why force your competition to be less bad?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *From: *"Darin Steffl"  
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> 
> *Sent: *Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:48:05 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference
>
> If net neutrality comes back, there will likely be similar exemptions for
> ISP's less than 100k subscribers or whatever the number was before.
>
> It shouldn't affect us in any real way. It will force the big ISP's to be
> good (better?) guys and not let peering cross connects fill up and become
> congested for example.
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 9:45 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 11/21/20 7:36 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> > But as amusing as this may be, it might be time to start looking at how
>> > the next administration could affect WISPs.  Like a 3-2 Dem FCC and a
>> > new Chairman (woman?).  Will Net Neutrality and Title II return?  Does
>> > it matter?
>> >
>>
>>
>> Net neutrality seems likely to make a comeback. Would it change anything
>> I do? No, but it might add annoying paperwork. Worst case someone thinks
>> I'm doing something and files a formal complaint, which would waste time
>> having to answer it.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Small 50lb generator run time

[Josh Luthman]

So we picked up the Predator and plugged in a dozen radios and CCR.  It ran
for 12 hours and had roughly 1/4 tank left.  Super quiet, runs 12 hours.
Check and check!

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 8:20 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Looks like a rebranded Ryobi (or visa versa). Ours has been great. Has
> hundreds of hours on it.
>
> On Nov 20, 2020, at 7:36 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>  I just came across this on Amazon
> https://www.amazon.com/Baja-900-Watt-Propane-Inverter-Generator/dp/B083VS1N2M
> Price seems almost too good.  No Regulator either?
>
> We had a couple of the tiny 900w gas powered (generac branded) generators,
> but the electronics failed after about 10 hours of use.  Went into
> immediate overload with nothing plugged in.
>
> On 11/19/2020 1:00 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> All our generators are converted to propane.  The small Honda 1 or 2K
> Inverter generators will get 24 hours plus on a small tank and 36 plus on
> the next size up.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2020 12:43 PM
> *To:* AFMUG  
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Small 50lb generator run time
>
>
>
> So I've been eyeing these Predator/Honda one hand size generators for a
> while.  Right now we have a 6500/8500 generator that's got wheels and needs
> a ramp.
>
>
>
> The load is 10 - 125 watts.  Not much.  The generators now do a great job,
> but it sucks to deal with something so heavy (especially when you fill the
> tank only to have the power come back on a minute later!)
>
>
>
> The little ones seem great, but I'm wondering what kind of run time you
> can get with them with a 1 amp or less load.  It says 12 hours at 25%
> capacity - is that possibly accurate?  If we're at 10% capacity does it
> seem safe to say we could get 18 hours?  We're getting 12-18 hours with the
> big ones.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Adam Moffett]

The 2015 Open Internet Order didn't do even 1/10th of the things 
attributed to it.  It had nothing to do with congestion, censorship, 
freedom, service pricing, etc.



The rules were no blocking, no throttling, and no paid prioritization.  
All three rules had the exception for "reasonable network management". 
Reasonable management was not specifically defined, but in discussion it 
was said to be driven by a technical need rather than a business one.  
So the blocking and throttling we all do to make traffic flow properly 
was ok and nobody was ever going to pay any of us for prioritization.  
I've never been convinced that the rule was necessary.  It seemed like a 
rule saying ISP's can't build moon rocketslike ok I'll stop my 
Apollo project immediately.



The actual rules were trivial to obey and I'd bet almost nobody here was 
ever breaking them  My only concern was Title II status could open the 
door on additional rules that might be more onerous later.




On 11/23/2020 8:40 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The original Net Neutrality had nothing to do with congested upstream 
or peering ports.



Why force your competition to be less bad?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Darin Steffl" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:48:05 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

If net neutrality comes back, there will likely be similar exemptions 
for ISP's less than 100k subscribers or whatever the number was before.


It shouldn't affect us in any real way. It will force the big ISP's to 
be good (better?) guys and not let peering cross connects fill up and 
become congested for example.


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 9:45 PM Seth Mattinen > wrote:


On 11/21/20 7:36 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> But as amusing as this may be, it might be time to start looking
at how
> the next administration could affect WISPs.  Like a 3-2 Dem FCC
and a
> new Chairman (woman?).  Will Net Neutrality and Title II
return?  Does
> it matter?
>


Net neutrality seems likely to make a comeback. Would it change
anything
I do? No, but it might add annoying paperwork. Worst case someone
thinks
I'm doing something and files a formal complaint, which would
waste time
having to answer it.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference

[Mike Hammett]

The original Net Neutrality had nothing to do with congested upstream or 
peering ports. 




Why force your competition to be less bad? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Darin Steffl"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:48:05 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: this press conference 


If net neutrality comes back, there will likely be similar exemptions for ISP's 
less than 100k subscribers or whatever the number was before. 


It shouldn't affect us in any real way. It will force the big ISP's to be good 
(better?) guys and not let peering cross connects fill up and become congested 
for example. 


On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 9:45 PM Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: 


On 11/21/20 7:36 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 
> But as amusing as this may be, it might be time to start looking at how 
> the next administration could affect WISPs. Like a 3-2 Dem FCC and a 
> new Chairman (woman?). Will Net Neutrality and Title II return? Does 
> it matter? 
> 


Net neutrality seems likely to make a comeback. Would it change anything 
I do? No, but it might add annoying paperwork. Worst case someone thinks 
I'm doing something and files a formal complaint, which would waste time 
having to answer it. 

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