date:20210108

Where is it free? I only see the annual per socket licensing

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 5:55 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> Proxomox is opensource and free if you don’t want the enterprise repo.
>
> Although, I do pay for the licenses on mine.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
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> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 4:02 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives
>
>
>
> wow, 20% VAT?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 3:48 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> Proxmox has both of these featues.   Plus with a ceph backend storage
> migration should become less of an issue as you effectively mirror drives
> across cluster nodes.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 2:33 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:
>
> HA only.. no live migrations.  No live storage migrations.  Last I checked
> it didn't support it.
>
>
>
> [image: logo] 
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> 
>
> *STEVEN KENNEY *
> *DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY *
>
> *A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org
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> *
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>
> --
>
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 12:40:45 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives
>
>
>
> Like?
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> *From: *"Steven Kenney" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 11:39:21 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives
>
> You can use it for 10 servers.  But it still won't do certain things
> that make managing all of them easy.
>
>
>
> [image: logo] 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> *STEVEN KENNEY *
> *DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY *
>
> *A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org
>  | P: 519-737-9283 W: www.wavedirect.net
> *
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>
> --
>
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 11:53:05 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives
>
>
>
> Strange.
>
> Friends of mine have used Proxmox in installations where there were many,
> many racks full of servers.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
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>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Steven Kenney" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 10:46:26 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives
>
> Here is the alternative I was looking at.  Since Xen didn't do paravirtual
> before but it does now.
>
>
>
> https://xcp-ng.org/
>
>
>
> Proxmox too many things its missing to list here.  Its great for basic
> usage 2-3 servers definitely.  I'd use it in a heartbeat if I was a small
> operation.
>
>
>
> [image: logo] 
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> *STEVEN KENNEY *
> *DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY *
>
> *A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON E: st...@wavedirect.org
>  | P: 519-737-9283 W: www.wavedirect.net
>

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

When was it added? From what I've been told its buggy and not as fluid and 
painless as vmware. I can migrate both hosts and datastores at the same time 
LIVE while a machine is running. Does Proxmox have DRS? 

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From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 4:52:02 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Proxmox has both of these featues. Plus with a ceph backend storage migration 
should become less of an issue as you effectively mirror drives across cluster 
nodes. 



On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 2:33 PM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | 
st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 



HA only.. no live migrations. No live storage migrations. Last I checked it 
didn't support it. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | st...@wavedirect.org ] | P: 519-737-9283 
W: [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | www.wavedirect.net ] 


From: "Mike Hammett" < [ mailto:af...@ics-il.net | af...@ics-il.net ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:40:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Like? 



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From: "Steven Kenney" < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | st...@wavedirect.org ] 
> 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:39:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

You can use it for 10 servers. But it still won't do certain things that 
make managing all of them easy. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | st...@wavedirect.org ] | P: 519-737-9283 
W: [ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | www.wavedirect.net ] 


From: "Mike Hammett" < [ mailto:af...@ics-il.net | af...@ics-il.net ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:53:05 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Strange. 
Friends of mine have used Proxmox in installations where there were many, many 
racks full of servers. 



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https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] 
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[ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] 

From: "Steven Kenney" < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | st...@wavedirect.org ] 
> 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:46:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Here is the alternative I was looking at. Since Xen didn't do paravirtual 
before but it does now. 

[ https://xcp-ng.org/ | https://xcp-ng.org/ ] 

Proxmox too many things its missing to list here. Its great for basic usage 2-3 
servers definitely. I'd use it in a heartbeat if I was a small operation. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.n

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vaccination

Got mine too. 

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:47:02 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Vaccination 

Got me my vaccination this morning...wife got hers on Monday...the Moderna 
version ...painless... 
Wife had sore arm that evening and got tired but it was gone next morning.. 
I have been fine all day...even look better when I took a selfie. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Vaccination

2021-01-08 Thread Darin Steffl

How did you get yours so quickly? Minnesota is only doing Healthcare
workers and nursing homes right now.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 8:48 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Got me my vaccination this morning...wife got hers on Monday...the Moderna
> version ...painless...
> Wife had sore arm that evening and got tired but it was gone next morning..
> I have been fine all day...even look better when I took a selfie.
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Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]

Proxomox is opensource and free if you don’t want the enterprise repo.
Although, I do pay for the licenses on mine.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 4:02 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

wow, 20% VAT?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 3:48 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
Proxmox has both of these featues.   Plus with a ceph backend storage migration 
should become less of an issue as you effectively mirror drives across cluster 
nodes.



On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 2:33 PM Steven Kenney 
mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
HA only.. no live migrations.  No live storage migrations.  Last I checked it 
didn't support it.

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From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:40:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

Like?



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From: "Steven Kenney" mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:39:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives
You can use it for 10 servers.  But it still won't do certain things that 
make managing all of them easy.

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STEVEN KENNEY
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
W: www.wavedirect.net


From: "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net>>
To: "af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:53:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

Strange.
Friends of mine have used Proxmox in installations where there were many, many 
racks full of servers.


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Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

wow, 20% VAT?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 3:48 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Proxmox has both of these featues.   Plus with a ceph backend storage
> migration should become less of an issue as you effectively mirror drives
> across cluster nodes.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 2:33 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:
>
>> HA only.. no live migrations.  No live storage migrations.  Last I
>> checked it didn't support it.
>>
>> [image: logo] 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> * STEVEN KENNEY *
>> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N |
>> Leamington ON
>> E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
>> W: www.wavedirect.net
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 12:40:45 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives
>>
>> Like?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Steven Kenney" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 11:39:21 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives
>>
>> You can use it for 10 servers.  But it still won't do certain things
>> that make managing all of them easy.
>>
>> [image: logo] 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> * STEVEN KENNEY *
>> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N |
>> Leamington ON
>> E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
>> W: www.wavedirect.net
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 11:53:05 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives
>>
>> Strange.
>> Friends of mine have used Proxmox in installations where there were many,
>> many racks full of servers.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Steven Kenney" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 10:46:26 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives
>>
>> Here is the alternative I was looking at.  Since Xen didn't do
>> paravirtual before but it does now.
>>
>> https://xcp-ng.org/
>>
>> Proxmox too many things its missing to list here.  Its great for basic
>> usage 2-3 servers definitely.  I'd use it in a heartbeat if I was a small
>> operation.
>>
>> [image: logo] 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> * STEVEN KENNEY *
>> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N |
>> Leamington ON
>> E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
>> W: www.wavedirect.net
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 10:49:39 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives
>>
>> What features is Proxmox missing that vSphere has (and you need\use)?
>> Proxmox also has a backup server now, though I haven't really looked at
>> it.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Proxmox has both of these featues.   Plus with a ceph backend storage
migration should become less of an issue as you effectively mirror drives
across cluster nodes.



On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 2:33 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> HA only.. no live migrations.  No live storage migrations.  Last I checked
> it didn't support it.
>
> [image: logo] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> * STEVEN KENNEY *
> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N |
> Leamington ON
> E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
> W: www.wavedirect.net
>
> --
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 12:40:45 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives
>
> Like?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Steven Kenney" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 11:39:21 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives
>
> You can use it for 10 servers.  But it still won't do certain things
> that make managing all of them easy.
>
> [image: logo] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> * STEVEN KENNEY *
> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N |
> Leamington ON
> E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
> W: www.wavedirect.net
>
> --
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 11:53:05 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives
>
> Strange.
> Friends of mine have used Proxmox in installations where there were many,
> many racks full of servers.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Steven Kenney" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 10:46:26 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives
>
> Here is the alternative I was looking at.  Since Xen didn't do paravirtual
> before but it does now.
>
> https://xcp-ng.org/
>
> Proxmox too many things its missing to list here.  Its great for basic
> usage 2-3 servers definitely.  I'd use it in a heartbeat if I was a small
> operation.
>
> [image: logo] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> * STEVEN KENNEY *
> DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N |
> Leamington ON
> E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283
> W: www.wavedirect.net
>
> --
> *From: *"Mike Hammett" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 10:49:39 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives
>
> What features is Proxmox missing that vSphere has (and you need\use)?
> Proxmox also has a backup server now, though I haven't really looked at it.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Br

Re: [AFMUG] Hybrid fiber + dc pre-made cables

This is what I have so far, any feedback?


Side A:
LC UPC
500mm fan breakout
2.5‐3.0mm tpu armor cable
Side Z:
LC UPC
500mm staggered breakout with nylon mesh pulling eye
2.5‐3.0mm tpu armor cable
Trunk:
G657A2
TPU jacket
2‐24 ct fiber
qty 2‐8 / #14‐16awg cu ofc wire

Examples;
2F 2CU #14 LC UPC
3ft
6ft
12ft
25ft
50ft
75ft
100ft

12F 4CU #12 LC UPC
50ft
75ft
100ft
150ft
200ft

24F 6CU #12 LC UPC
50ft
75ft
100ft
150ft
200ft

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:34 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> Thinking of offering fiber+dc premade patch cables (2f+2dc) and tower
> trunk cables (12f 4-6 dc) and was wondering if this has any interest?
>
> Was thinking to offer the 2f + 2dc cables in 3ft through 100ft and the 12f
> and 24f cables will start at say 50ft and go up.
>
> Wondering what AWG you guys would want, thinking #14 on the 2f cables and
> multiple #14 or #12 on the trunks?
>
>
>
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[AFMUG] Hybrid fiber + dc pre-made cables

Thinking of offering fiber+dc premade patch cables (2f+2dc) and tower trunk
cables (12f 4-6 dc) and was wondering if this has any interest?

Was thinking to offer the 2f + 2dc cables in 3ft through 100ft and the 12f
and 24f cables will start at say 50ft and go up.

Wondering what AWG you guys would want, thinking #14 on the 2f cables and
multiple #14 or #12 on the trunks?
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Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

HA only.. no live migrations. No live storage migrations. Last I checked it 
didn't support it. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 
W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:40:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Like? 



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https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] 
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From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:39:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

You can use it for 10 servers. But it still won't do certain things that 
make managing all of them easy. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
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W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:53:05 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Strange. 
Friends of mine have used Proxmox in installations where there were many, many 
racks full of servers. 



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https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ 
https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] 
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[ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ 
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From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:46:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Here is the alternative I was looking at. Since Xen didn't do paravirtual 
before but it does now. 

[ https://xcp-ng.org/ | https://xcp-ng.org/ ] 

Proxmox too many things its missing to list here. Its great for basic usage 2-3 
servers definitely. I'd use it in a heartbeat if I was a small operation. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
STEVEN KENNEY 
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E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 
W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:49:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

What features is Proxmox missing that vSphere has (and you need\use)? 
Proxmox also has a backup server now, though I haven't really looked at it. 



- 
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https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions ] [ 
https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] 
[ http://www.midwest-ix.com/ | Midwest Internet Exchange ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange ] [ 
https://twitter.com/mdwestix ] 
[ http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ | The Brothers WISP ] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp ] [ 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg ] 

From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:47:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Oh the combo.. couldn't help you there :) Proxmox looks cool.. but still 
doesn't have the features Vmware does. But I hear now there is some pretty good 
xen

Re: [AFMUG] FS: Junipers and more!

2021-01-08 Thread Jaime Solorza

Let me check with IT guy named Albert Lepehe has been replacing Criscos
with Juniper...
Might take a few off your hands.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 1:27 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:

> We just got a truckload from an asset purchase and have some Junipers and
> other parts I’m trying to offload.
> Junipers are like-new and test out fine.
>
> QFX5110-48S-AFI  QTY4 - $4k/ea
> QFX5110-48S QTY2 - $4k/ea
> QFX10002-36QQTY4 - $6k/ea
> QFX5110-32Q-AFI  QTY6 - $6k/ea
>
> Also looking to offload some of these:
> - Anchor, Steel Roof, Reusable with D-Ring (got a bunch new in box)
> - Ceragon 80GHz
> - Eero Beacon / Gateway
> - SAF 38GHz Lumina + 1ft dishes
> - 11 GHz Dragonwave combiners
> - CBNL 28GHz AP in 27262/28076 (new in box)
> - 3GHz antennas - MT-382004/NVH (new in box)
>
> Ping me off-list for details on any.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cassidy
> c...@infowest.com
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[AFMUG] FS: Junipers and more!

2021-01-08 Thread Cassidy B. Larson

We just got a truckload from an asset purchase and have some Junipers and other 
parts I’m trying to offload.
Junipers are like-new and test out fine.

QFX5110-48S-AFI  QTY4 - $4k/ea
QFX5110-48S QTY2 - $4k/ea
QFX10002-36QQTY4 - $6k/ea
QFX5110-32Q-AFI  QTY6 - $6k/ea

Also looking to offload some of these:
- Anchor, Steel Roof, Reusable with D-Ring (got a bunch new in box)
- Ceragon 80GHz
- Eero Beacon / Gateway
- SAF 38GHz Lumina + 1ft dishes
- 11 GHz Dragonwave combiners
- CBNL 28GHz AP in 27262/28076 (new in box)
- 3GHz antennas - MT-382004/NVH (new in box)

Ping me off-list for details on any.

Thanks,

Cassidy
c...@infowest.com



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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

Thanks to TJ, we have IRR and RPKI configured.  I have asked the router guy to 
advertise the prefix.  Checked black list checking site and it says they are 
clean.  

What next?

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

I think that's more of the exception than the rule, we have plenty of recent 
allocations without issue.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

  NO NO NO NO 
  We got our new allocation last year and still have issues pop up. IP 
reputation, weird geolocation, I think this allocations was in canada prior. We 
didnt even turn up for 3 months to let all the submissions process. Allocations 
given out now are dirty

  On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:17 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

Yeah don't worry about that, just get them online and the internet will 
figure it out automatically, should you have an issue with customers on netflix 
for example stating they are outside of the USA then you would submit for a 
correction.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:15 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  No, just want to make sure the world knows where my IPs are.  
  It is something I can do as I don’t know what else to do...

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:13 PM
  To: Chuck McCown 
  Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

  why? usually only bother with geoip when you have an issue, are you 
having geoip related issues?

  On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:10 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have 
a way to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending lots 
of emails.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

Many databases no fee.  

Check this

https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:

  Is there just one geo location database?
  Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread Adam Moffett

Matching forward and reverse DNS is best practice in any case. Less 
chance of email issues, and I feel like a state postal abbreviation in 
the name might give the geo location people a clue.  
123456-customer-dynamic-city-NY.hosts.myisp.com.



Ditto, had a new IP allocation about a year ago.  Updated reverse DNS
etc and just used it.  No issues.  I am not sure if it makes a
difference but we do a reverse and matching forward DNS entry for
every IP address.





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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread Matt

> I think that's more of the exception than the rule, we have plenty of recent 
> allocations without issue.

Ditto, had a new IP allocation about a year ago.  Updated reverse DNS
etc and just used it.  No issues.  I am not sure if it makes a
difference but we do a reverse and matching forward DNS entry for
every IP address.



>> NO NO NO NO
>> We got our new allocation last year and still have issues pop up. IP 
>> reputation, weird geolocation, I think this allocations was in canada prior. 
>> We didnt even turn up for 3 months to let all the submissions process. 
>> Allocations given out now are dirty
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:17 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah don't worry about that, just get them online and the internet will 
>>> figure it out automatically, should you have an issue with customers on 
>>> netflix for example stating they are outside of the USA then you would 
>>> submit for a correction.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:15 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

 No, just want to make sure the world knows where my IPs are.
 It is something I can do as I don’t know what else to do...

 From: TJ Trout
 Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:13 PM
 To: Chuck McCown
 Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

 why? usually only bother with geoip when you have an issue, are you having 
 geoip related issues?

 On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:10 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have a 
> way to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending 
> lots of emails.
>
> From: TJ Trout
> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Chuck McCown
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>
> Many databases no fee.
>
> Check this
>
> https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>
>> Is there just one geo location database?
>> Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

I think that's more of the exception than the rule, we have plenty of
recent allocations without issue.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:23 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> NO NO NO NO
> We got our new allocation last year and still have issues pop up. IP
> reputation, weird geolocation, I think this allocations was in canada
> prior. We didnt even turn up for 3 months to let all the submissions
> process. Allocations given out now are dirty
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:17 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Yeah don't worry about that, just get them online and the internet will
>> figure it out automatically, should you have an issue with customers on
>> netflix for example stating they are outside of the USA then you would
>> submit for a correction.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:15 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> No, just want to make sure the world knows where my IPs are.
>>> It is something I can do as I don’t know what else to do...
>>>
>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 12:13 PM
>>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>>>
>>> why? usually only bother with geoip when you have an issue, are you
>>> having geoip related issues?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:10 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have
 a way to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending
 lots of emails.

 *From:* TJ Trout
 *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Cc:* Chuck McCown
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

 Many databases no fee.

 Check this

 https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/

 On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

> Is there just one geo location database?
> Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
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Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

take his offer, its confusing

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:03 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> Login to arin and make irr and rpki entries for your new prefix. I can
> help you with that over a quick zoom call.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:28 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> be careful on that documentation, they depreciated the email
>> configuration and have a web interface like last year, so much
>> documentation is no longer applicable.
>> I can offer little in regard to advice because mines barely correct.
>>
>> the folks at ARIN are way to helpful for an alphabet outfit. like really
>> helpful. that linda blackmoor or whatever her name is from FCC level
>> helpful, where you wonder of youre actually talking to the agency.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:58 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is ARIN my RIR?
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 10:24 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?
>>>
>>> http://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
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>>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Cc: *"Chuck McCown" 
>>> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 11:22:03 AM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] What do I do now?
>>>
>>> What do I do to make sure the addresses are not black listed etc.  Have
>>> never been through this before.
>>>
>>> *Message*
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Your request for IPv4 addresses has been completed. Please note that in
>>> accordance with ARIN policy 4.1.8, your organization may not request
>>> additional IPv4 addresses from ARIN for 90-days from today's date.
>>>
>>> You may review the new registration by:
>>>
>>> - clicking on "Tickets" in the "Account Manager" navigation bar,
>>> - click on the ticket number, and
>>> - click on the "Net Handle" listed in the "Request Details" section of
>>> the ticket information.
>>>
>>> To add reverse DNS delegation, click the "Actions" button then "Manage
>>> Reverse DNS". To add a DS Record to a delegation, select "Modify DS
>>> Records" from the "Manage Reverse DNS" page. For more information on
>>> DNSSEC, please visit:
>>>
>>> https://www.arin.net/resources/manage/dnssec/
>>>
>>> Your organization must register all reassignments of 8 contiguous IP
>>> addresses or more to downstream customers via a publicly accessible Whois
>>> database within 7 days of all assignments per the guidelines at:
>>>
>>> https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/reassignments/
>>>
>>> In accordance with the criteria outlined in the "Number Resource Policy
>>> Manual" (NRPM), your organization will be unable to transfer any IPv4
>>> resources under an "8.3 Transfers between Specified Recipients within the
>>> ARIN Region" or an "8.4 Inter-RIR Transfer to Specified Recipients" to
>>> another organization for a period of 12-months. For more information please
>>> review the NRPM at:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#8-3-transfers-between-specified-recipients-within-the-arin-region
>>>
>>> If you have an RPKI certificate issued by ARIN, please note that the new
>>> network has not been added to your certificate. If you would like it to be,
>>> simply open a new ticket via ASK ARIN, and let us know you'd like to
>>> certify the new network. We'll then update the certificate for you.
>>>
>>> Ticket 20201012-X712650 is now closed.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
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>>> ARIN Technical Support Specialist
>>> 703-227-0660
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

NO NO NO NO
We got our new allocation last year and still have issues pop up. IP
reputation, weird geolocation, I think this allocations was in canada
prior. We didnt even turn up for 3 months to let all the submissions
process. Allocations given out now are dirty

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:17 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> Yeah don't worry about that, just get them online and the internet will
> figure it out automatically, should you have an issue with customers on
> netflix for example stating they are outside of the USA then you would
> submit for a correction.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:15 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> No, just want to make sure the world knows where my IPs are.
>> It is something I can do as I don’t know what else to do...
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 12:13 PM
>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>>
>> why? usually only bother with geoip when you have an issue, are you
>> having geoip related issues?
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:10 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have
>>> a way to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending
>>> lots of emails.
>>>
>>> *From:* TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>>>
>>> Many databases no fee.
>>>
>>> Check this
>>>
>>> https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is there just one geo location database?
 Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

Nope. That's why we made that list. ;-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




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Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:37:28 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] geolocation 




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Yeah don't worry about that, just get them online and the internet will
figure it out automatically, should you have an issue with customers on
netflix for example stating they are outside of the USA then you would
submit for a correction.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:15 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> No, just want to make sure the world knows where my IPs are.
> It is something I can do as I don’t know what else to do...
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 12:13 PM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>
> why? usually only bother with geoip when you have an issue, are you having
> geoip related issues?
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:10 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have a
>> way to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending lots
>> of emails.
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>>
>> Many databases no fee.
>>
>> Check this
>>
>> https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there just one geo location database?
>>> Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
>>> --
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

No, just want to make sure the world knows where my IPs are.  
It is something I can do as I don’t know what else to do...

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:13 PM
To: Chuck McCown 
Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

why? usually only bother with geoip when you have an issue, are you having 
geoip related issues?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:10 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have a way 
to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending lots of 
emails.  

  From: TJ Trout 
  Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

  Many databases no fee.  

  Check this

  https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/

  On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Is there just one geo location database?
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

why? usually only bother with geoip when you have an issue, are you having
geoip related issues?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:10 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have a
> way to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending lots
> of emails.
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] geolocation
>
> Many databases no fee.
>
> Check this
>
> https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> Is there just one geo location database?
>> Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
>> --
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>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

Yeah, I am working my way through the list, but most of them don’t have a way 
to submit info.  They just want to sell you info.  So I am sending lots of 
emails.  

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:01 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

Many databases no fee.  

Check this

https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Is there just one geo location database?
  Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
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Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

Login to arin and make irr and rpki entries for your new prefix. I can help
you with that over a quick zoom call.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:28 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

> be careful on that documentation, they depreciated the email configuration
> and have a web interface like last year, so much documentation is no longer
> applicable.
> I can offer little in regard to advice because mines barely correct.
>
> the folks at ARIN are way to helpful for an alphabet outfit. like really
> helpful. that linda blackmoor or whatever her name is from FCC level
> helpful, where you wonder of youre actually talking to the agency.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:58 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Is ARIN my RIR?
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 10:24 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?
>>
>> http://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown via AF" 
>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 11:22:03 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] What do I do now?
>>
>> What do I do to make sure the addresses are not black listed etc.  Have
>> never been through this before.
>>
>> *Message*
>> Hello,
>>
>> Your request for IPv4 addresses has been completed. Please note that in
>> accordance with ARIN policy 4.1.8, your organization may not request
>> additional IPv4 addresses from ARIN for 90-days from today's date.
>>
>> You may review the new registration by:
>>
>> - clicking on "Tickets" in the "Account Manager" navigation bar,
>> - click on the ticket number, and
>> - click on the "Net Handle" listed in the "Request Details" section of
>> the ticket information.
>>
>> To add reverse DNS delegation, click the "Actions" button then "Manage
>> Reverse DNS". To add a DS Record to a delegation, select "Modify DS
>> Records" from the "Manage Reverse DNS" page. For more information on
>> DNSSEC, please visit:
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/resources/manage/dnssec/
>>
>> Your organization must register all reassignments of 8 contiguous IP
>> addresses or more to downstream customers via a publicly accessible Whois
>> database within 7 days of all assignments per the guidelines at:
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/reassignments/
>>
>> In accordance with the criteria outlined in the "Number Resource Policy
>> Manual" (NRPM), your organization will be unable to transfer any IPv4
>> resources under an "8.3 Transfers between Specified Recipients within the
>> ARIN Region" or an "8.4 Inter-RIR Transfer to Specified Recipients" to
>> another organization for a period of 12-months. For more information please
>> review the NRPM at:
>>
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#8-3-transfers-between-specified-recipients-within-the-arin-region
>>
>> If you have an RPKI certificate issued by ARIN, please note that the new
>> network has not been added to your certificate. If you would like it to be,
>> simply open a new ticket via ASK ARIN, and let us know you'd like to
>> certify the new network. We'll then update the certificate for you.
>>
>> Ticket 20201012-X712650 is now closed.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
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>> 703-227-0660
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

Many databases no fee.

Check this

https://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 10:38 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Is there just one geo location database?
> Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread Colin Stanners

There's a few companies and organizations with their own GeoIP databases,
Maxmind is the biggest, and there is a funny (and frightening) story about
the risk in those assumptions:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/10/lawsuit-how-a-quiet-kansas-home-wound-up-with-600-million-ip-addresses-and-a-world-of-trouble/

Most companies try to do the work themselves to reduce the risk of networks
faking their location. Maxmind allows users to request updates at
https://support.maxmind.com/geoip-data-correction-request/ .


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> Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

I dont understand why theres not a service for that. I looked and looked,
but may have been looking the wrong direction. the brothers wisp guide
covers the big ones, and i believe theyre still updating it. It would be
nice if that were an RIR component where the geolocation services pull from
there, but then you have VOIP location registration issues on VPNs.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Is there just one geo location database?
> Is there a cost to get your IPs put in the database(s)?
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Re: [AFMUG] geolocation

2021-01-08 Thread Adam Moffett

Pretty sure those services infer location based on data collected from 
3rd parties.  Cell phone data, what WiFi SSID's you see, Cell phone 
locations, etc.  Often they can get it exactly right, sometimes they 
only get the right state.  There's someplace in the middle of Kansas 
which is the gelocation coordinate for IP's where they only know it's in 
the USA and can't be any more sure than that


If they're wrong now, they'll become right over time as the companies 
get usage data.



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[AFMUG] mapping competitor interference

Back in the 900 fsk day I had a state map with tags showing identified
transmitters I could reference when we had fade or i had to change
channels. it was really useful.

we ran 2.4 fhss, so in that we were the interference

3ghz got to the point of ridiculous where i would end up with my network
laid out in cards all around my living room floor when there was an issue
(we had a ton more sites and access points by that point) SAS im hoping
will clear this up, but commsearch is disappointing and only shows me my
grants

now in 5ghz its a constant battle trying to manage self interference and
outside sources. theres too much to use tags and a pushpin. I try to be a
good steward of the spectrum and not step on others toes.

Linkplanner allows me to manage my own channels with the color coding, but
i dont have a way to track outside sources, may be too big to do, its
definitely not worth the manual effort.

If there was a way to script a run of the 3k SA and put at least that data
in a sector chart it would be helpful.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread Adam Moffett

In New York the F word is like a comma, period, and question mark.  Even 
some devout Christians will salt their language when they're not in 
church.  You hear it so often that it doesn't even register anymore.


but it does depend on the setting.  In business communication it's 
quite rare, but among tradesmen it's constant.  But even the tradesmen 
know to keep it quiet if they're working in a professional building.  If 
you're pumping gas you'll hear "Man these effing pumps are are effing 
slow, nobody got the effing time to wait for this."  He's not even mad, 
he's just talking.


There are exceptions both ways.  I knew a home builder who had creative 
substitutions for every swear word, so he'd emulate those speech 
patterns but threw in things like "son of a biscuit".  You can also bump 
into a lawyer who talks like a sailor.  I think the root is whether they 
grew up in a blue collar household or not.


A waitress can NOT say "you want some effin fries with that?", but the 
customer CAN say "I love these effin french fries, what do you put on 
them?"  After the customer has started with that, the server may be able 
to slip in an F word, but can't overuse it.


Eff word etiquette I guess.


On 1/8/2021 12:49 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
In a long string of subject lines with F bombs, it does repulse me.  I 
don’t typically use any profanity at all and none around me do.  I 
don’t hear it in business settings or out on job sites.  Perhaps it is 
a Utah thing.  But I deal with folks all over the world and it really 
never appears in emails or phone conversations.
Once in a while we run into a salty character but it is rare.  I had a 
local distributor sales rep in my office a while back dropping the F 
bomb all over the place.  Almost like he was drunk.  It was unusual.  
Found it unusual.  I thought it was pretty impolite as my wife was 
sitting right next to me as he was behaving this way.  I have known 
this guy for a long time and never witnessed this behavior before.
I mentioned it to a friend that reps products that other company 
carries.  He was shocked.  Had never seen that guy behave like that 
either.  He then mentioned it to one of the bosses at the 
distributorship and I had an instant apology. I was not asking for 
one.  I was not trying to get the guy in trouble.  But they all took 
it very seriously.
Again, this could be a local Utah thing, but when I ran my 
manufacturing business in Quincy, Ill we never had this happen there 
either.  There was one guy named Bob that worked for Harris Broadcast 
that was foul mouthed and everyone in town talked about him.  But that 
was about it.
Maybe I give off a “don’t f with me” vibe or something. I don’t 
consider myself puritanical or a prude.  But I don’t think foul 
language has a place in business or normal ordinary conversation.  It 
really puts me off in the movies.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 9:48 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

I put all OT threads in a folder all to themselves. I look at that 
folder when I feel like I need/want some entertainment. F-bombs and 
other atrocities do not bother me. That stopped being an issue for me 
back when I was in college.


bp

On 1/8/2021 7:46 AM, Colin Stanners wrote:
One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic is understood by 
everyone. I don't filter out all OT posts as some 
relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated technical topics are useful.
But most political threads, as others have said, don't result in much 
useful change or new information in the end. Everyone's opinions are 
already pretty solidified. Instead of creating many new mailing list 
filters or categories, I think it'd be better avoided altogether once 
conversations start or become too political.



On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:30 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

Many times I want to post about something that is peripherally
related to the industry. However, it may not be direct; Starlink
news might be one of those. That is safely OT, and if someone
thinks it isn't, then fine. No harm, no foul.

However, I also know personally many of the people on this list,
and it is helpful to me to hear what they have to say. Sometimes
that dips into politics. I don't want to lose those friends.

Putting in filters for off topic items should be a no brainer for
each and every individual on this list. Perhaps a different tag
for such topics? Maybe WOT (Way Off Topic), or NSFW, or POL as a
prefix? Is that like having your cake and eating it too?

bp


On 1/8/2021 7:22 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:



My .02, as mostly a lurker...

A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views seem to
be OK.

For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable technical
content for me even though after a few responses threads can go
on a tangent.  Signal to noise can be rather low at times but I
still find it valuable overall.

Tagging th

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

I really like the sales rep.  Have done business with him for years.  Perhaps 
he had a hangover.  
And I doubt it ever happens again.  I actually feel sorry for him having my 
comment get back to him.  

When you are on a camp out with your huntin’ buddies it is expected.  Or out 
drinking all night.  Or starring in an action adventure movie (when did this 
become a thing).  Guess I need to go watch “Team America” again to get my ears 
toughened up.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

Can we agree to ban the U bomb in its entirety though, with the exception of 
alternative chuck who has a pass from good chuck? 

I watch sales reps, that's the course correction I'm looking at, they're 
chameleons, I've kind of gotten to a point where it's a game of curiosity, like 
trying to figure out bot scripts in yahoo chat back in the day (type the word 
human, bot, or real and the response will be that they're not a bot, etc) 
I dont know if our industry rep software is the same as nail salons, but their 
software has detail cards on each client to remember their details, family, 
pets, etc including their general disposition.

I've found few reps that will swear right off the bat, but most dont. But if 
you slipped in a swear word, theyll slip in a swear word. If you go off on a 
crossword holiday, theyll go full sailor. The funnest game is to get godly 
between communications, and see how they correct course. So one phone call, 
drop some S and F bombs. Then the next call dont, and mention a church sermon.
I've found they test the swear waters with an Ass. 
I assume they try to align their persona with a customers persona to make a 
customer comfortable dropping coin.

Chucks experience is an odd one, to be honest I dont think I'd do business with 
that rep again if he didnt have products worth looking at.

That's business relations though. A mailing list is a mailing list. People have 
a hard time keeping things threaded to filter out noise. I try to keep my noise 
in the thread though the troll in me makes that a momentous task, I would 
apologize if I were an apologist, but I'm frankly more of a d@#khead than 
anything else. I blame my mother for being too kind.


On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 12:03 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies  
wrote:

  Bill,

  Maybe we need a different tag than OT for political stuff.  I agree some of 
the OT stuff is entertaining and maybe informative.  A separate political tag 
would allow people to filter it out and not lose the OT stuff. 

  --
  Best regards,
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  Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  www.Myakka.com

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  Friday, January 8, 2021, 11:48:09 AM, you wrote:


   I put all OT threads in a folder all to themselves. I look at that 
folder when I feel like I need/want some entertainment. F-bombs and other 
atrocities do not bother me. That stopped being an issue for me back when I was 
in college.

bp

On 1/8/2021 7:46 AM, Colin Stanners wrote:

 One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic is understood by 
everyone. I don't filter out all OT posts as some 
relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated technical topics are useful. 

  But most political threads, as others have said, don't result in 
much useful change or new information in the end. Everyone's opinions are 
already pretty solidified. Instead of creating many new mailing list filters or 
categories, I think it'd be better avoided altogether once conversations start 
or become too political.


  On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:30 AM Bill Prince  
wrote:

   Many times I want to post about something that is 
peripherally related to the industry. However, it may not be direct; Starlink 
news might be one of those. That is safely OT, and if someone thinks it isn't, 
then fine. No harm, no foul.
However, I also know personally many of the people on this 
list, and it is helpful to me to hear what they have to say. Sometimes that 
dips into politics. I don't want to lose those friends.
Putting in filters for off topic items should be a no 
brainer for each and every individual on this list. Perhaps a different tag for 
such topics? Maybe WOT (Way Off Topic), or NSFW, or POL as a prefix? Is that 
like having your cake and eating it too?

bp

On 1/8/2021 7:22 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:

 


  My .02, as mostly a lurker...

  A agree 100% with this statement. Some political 
views seem to be OK.

  For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable 
technical content for me even though after a few responses threads can go on a 
tangent.  Signal to noise can be rather low at times but I still find it 
valuable overall.

Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

Yes, the web format is a lot easier. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 12:27:35 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now? 


be careful on that documentation, they depreciated the email configuration and 
have a web interface like last year, so much documentation is no longer 
applicable. 
I can offer little in regard to advice because mines barely correct. 


the folks at ARIN are way to helpful for an alphabet outfit. like really 
helpful. that linda blackmoor or whatever her name is from FCC level helpful, 
where you wonder of youre actually talking to the agency. 


On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:58 AM Chuck McCown via AF < af@af.afmug.com > wrote: 






Is ARIN my RIR? 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:24 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now? 


http://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Chuck McCown via AF" < af@af.afmug.com > 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@go-mtc.com > 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:22:03 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] What do I do now? 




What do I do to make sure the addresses are not black listed etc. Have never 
been through this before. 
Message 
Hello, 

Your request for IPv4 addresses has been completed. Please note that in 
accordance with ARIN policy 4.1.8, your organization may not request additional 
IPv4 addresses from ARIN for 90-days from today's date. 

You may review the new registration by: 

- clicking on "Tickets" in the "Account Manager" navigation bar, 
- click on the ticket number, and 
- click on the "Net Handle" listed in the "Request Details" section of the 
ticket information. 

To add reverse DNS delegation, click the "Actions" button then "Manage Reverse 
DNS". To add a DS Record to a delegation, select "Modify DS Records" from the 
"Manage Reverse DNS" page. For more information on DNSSEC, please visit: 

https://www.arin.net/resources/manage/dnssec/ 

Your organization must register all reassignments of 8 contiguous IP addresses 
or more to downstream customers via a publicly accessible Whois database within 
7 days of all assignments per the guidelines at: 

https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/reassignments/ 

In accordance with the criteria outlined in the "Number Resource Policy Manual" 
(NRPM), your organization will be unable to transfer any IPv4 resources under 
an "8.3 Transfers between Specified Recipients within the ARIN Region" or an 
"8.4 Inter-RIR Transfer to Specified Recipients" to another organization for a 
period of 12-months. For more information please review the NRPM at: 

https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#8-3-transfers-between-specified-recipients-within-the-arin-region
 

If you have an RPKI certificate issued by ARIN, please note that the new 
network has not been added to your certificate. If you would like it to be, 
simply open a new ticket via ASK ARIN, and let us know you'd like to certify 
the new network. We'll then update the certificate for you. 

Ticket 20201012-X712650 is now closed. 

Regards, 

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Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

be careful on that documentation, they depreciated the email configuration
and have a web interface like last year, so much documentation is no longer
applicable.
I can offer little in regard to advice because mines barely correct.

the folks at ARIN are way to helpful for an alphabet outfit. like really
helpful. that linda blackmoor or whatever her name is from FCC level
helpful, where you wonder of youre actually talking to the agency.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 11:58 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Is ARIN my RIR?
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, January 8, 2021 10:24 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?
>
> http://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Chuck McCown via AF" 
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2021 11:22:03 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] What do I do now?
>
> What do I do to make sure the addresses are not black listed etc.  Have
> never been through this before.
>
> *Message*
> Hello,
>
> Your request for IPv4 addresses has been completed. Please note that in
> accordance with ARIN policy 4.1.8, your organization may not request
> additional IPv4 addresses from ARIN for 90-days from today's date.
>
> You may review the new registration by:
>
> - clicking on "Tickets" in the "Account Manager" navigation bar,
> - click on the ticket number, and
> - click on the "Net Handle" listed in the "Request Details" section of the
> ticket information.
>
> To add reverse DNS delegation, click the "Actions" button then "Manage
> Reverse DNS". To add a DS Record to a delegation, select "Modify DS
> Records" from the "Manage Reverse DNS" page. For more information on
> DNSSEC, please visit:
>
> https://www.arin.net/resources/manage/dnssec/
>
> Your organization must register all reassignments of 8 contiguous IP
> addresses or more to downstream customers via a publicly accessible Whois
> database within 7 days of all assignments per the guidelines at:
>
> https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/reassignments/
>
> In accordance with the criteria outlined in the "Number Resource Policy
> Manual" (NRPM), your organization will be unable to transfer any IPv4
> resources under an "8.3 Transfers between Specified Recipients within the
> ARIN Region" or an "8.4 Inter-RIR Transfer to Specified Recipients" to
> another organization for a period of 12-months. For more information please
> review the NRPM at:
>
>
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#8-3-transfers-between-specified-recipients-within-the-arin-region
>
> If you have an RPKI certificate issued by ARIN, please note that the new
> network has not been added to your certificate. If you would like it to be,
> simply open a new ticket via ASK ARIN, and let us know you'd like to
> certify the new network. We'll then update the certificate for you.
>
> Ticket 20201012-X712650 is now closed.
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> Regards,
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

Can we agree to ban the U bomb in its entirety though, with the exception
of alternative chuck who has a pass from good chuck?

I watch sales reps, that's the course correction I'm looking at, they're
chameleons, I've kind of gotten to a point where it's a game of curiosity,
like trying to figure out bot scripts in yahoo chat back in the day (type
the word human, bot, or real and the response will be that they're not a
bot, etc)
I dont know if our industry rep software is the same as nail salons, but
their software has detail cards on each client to remember their details,
family, pets, etc including their general disposition.

I've found few reps that will swear right off the bat, but most dont. But
if you slipped in a swear word, theyll slip in a swear word. If you go off
on a crossword holiday, theyll go full sailor. The funnest game is to get
godly between communications, and see how they correct course. So one phone
call, drop some S and F bombs. Then the next call dont, and mention a
church sermon.
I've found they test the swear waters with an Ass.
I assume they try to align their persona with a customers persona to make a
customer comfortable dropping coin.

Chucks experience is an odd one, to be honest I dont think I'd do business
with that rep again if he didnt have products worth looking at.

That's business relations though. A mailing list is a mailing list. People
have a hard time keeping things threaded to filter out noise. I try to keep
my noise in the thread though the troll in me makes that a momentous task,
I would apologize if I were an apologist, but I'm frankly more of a d@#khead
than anything else. I blame my mother for being too kind.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 12:03 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Bill,
>
> Maybe we need a different tag than OT for political stuff.  I agree some
> of the OT stuff is entertaining and maybe informative.  A separate
> political tag would allow people to filter it out and not lose the OT
> stuff.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Friday, January 8, 2021, 11:48:09 AM, you wrote:
>
>
> I put all OT threads in a folder all to themselves. I look at that folder
> when I feel like I need/want some entertainment. F-bombs and other
> atrocities do not bother me. That stopped being an issue for me back when I
> was in college.
>
> bp
> 
> On 1/8/2021 7:46 AM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>
> One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic is understood by
> everyone. I don't filter out all OT posts as some
> relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated technical topics are useful.
>
> But most political threads, as others have said, don't result in much
> useful change or new information in the end. Everyone's opinions are
> already pretty solidified. Instead of creating many new mailing list
> filters or categories, I think it'd be better avoided altogether once
> conversations start or become too political.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:30 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Many times I want to post about something that is peripherally related to
> the industry. However, it may not be direct; Starlink news might be one of
> those. That is safely OT, and if someone thinks it isn't, then fine. No
> harm, no foul.
> However, I also know personally many of the people on this list, and it is
> helpful to me to hear what they have to say. Sometimes that dips into
> politics. I don't want to lose those friends.
> Putting in filters for off topic items should be a no brainer for each and
> every individual on this list. Perhaps a different tag for such topics?
> Maybe WOT (Way Off Topic), or NSFW, or POL as a prefix? Is that like having
> your cake and eating it too?
>
> bp
> 
> On 1/8/2021 7:22 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:
>
>
>
>
> My .02, as mostly a lurker...
>
> A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views seem to be OK.
>
> For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable technical content for me
> even though after a few responses threads can go on a tangent.  Signal to
> noise can be rather low at times but I still find it valuable overall.
>
> Tagging the subject with OT should be a managable way to deal with
> non-technical content.
>
>
>
> At 02:14 PM 1/7/2021, you wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
> I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC
> crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle
> crap largely done by the other side.Â  Give and take."Â Â and not expect it
> to start a political argument.Â  I think you are abundantly and dangerously
> wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue.Â  We can't have a list
> where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is
> not.Â  Â We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we
> make a no politics rule.Â  The latter seems to be the best option as there
> are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up.Â Â
>
> On Wed,

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FBI just don’t see a need for that stuff here.  Too polarizing 
and to easy to offend folks.  Just like vax/anti vax conversation.  Some folks 
are very passionate about that too.  Ditto religion.  No need here.  Go on 
other forums.  

(Except when you are talking to Steve.  In that case you can say anything you 
want...)

We can talk trash to each other all day when it is just good sport, but when 
you touch on real subjects feelings can get permanently damaged.  We need each 
other as technical resources.  And when you really need help you don’t want 
some guy that actually knows the exact answer holding back because he deems you 
to be an a$$hole due to some political position you had proffered in the past.  

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:02 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

Bill,

Maybe we need a different tag than OT for political stuff.  I agree some of the 
OT stuff is entertaining and maybe informative.  A separate political tag would 
allow people to filter it out and not lose the OT stuff. 

--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

--

Friday, January 8, 2021, 11:48:09 AM, you wrote:


 I put all OT threads in a folder all to themselves. I look at that folder 
when I feel like I need/want some entertainment. F-bombs and other atrocities 
do not bother me. That stopped being an issue for me back when I was in college.

  bp
  
  On 1/8/2021 7:46 AM, Colin Stanners wrote:

   One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic is understood by 
everyone. I don't filter out all OT posts as some 
relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated technical topics are useful. 

But most political threads, as others have said, don't result in 
much useful change or new information in the end. Everyone's opinions are 
already pretty solidified. Instead of creating many new mailing list filters or 
categories, I think it'd be better avoided altogether once conversations start 
or become too political.


On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:30 AM Bill Prince  
wrote:

 Many times I want to post about something that is peripherally 
related to the industry. However, it may not be direct; Starlink news might be 
one of those. That is safely OT, and if someone thinks it isn't, then fine. No 
harm, no foul.
  However, I also know personally many of the people on this 
list, and it is helpful to me to hear what they have to say. Sometimes that 
dips into politics. I don't want to lose those friends.
  Putting in filters for off topic items should be a no brainer 
for each and every individual on this list. Perhaps a different tag for such 
topics? Maybe WOT (Way Off Topic), or NSFW, or POL as a prefix? Is that like 
having your cake and eating it too?

  bp
  
  On 1/8/2021 7:22 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:

   


My .02, as mostly a lurker...

A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views 
seem to be OK.

For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable 
technical content for me even though after a few responses threads can go on a 
tangent.  Signal to noise can be rather low at times but I still find it 
valuable overall.

Tagging the subject with OT should be a managable way 
to deal with non-technical content. 



At 02:14 PM 1/7/2021, you wrote:

 Chuck,

  I know it is your list and your rules, but you 
can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to 
the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side.Â  Give and 
take."Â Â and not expect it to start a political argument.Â  I think you are 
abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my 
tongue.Â  We can't have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is 
allowed but countering it is not.Â  Â We either allow political discussions, 
which I'm fine with, or we make a no politics rule.Â  The latter seems to be 
the best option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we 
keep it up.Â Â 

  On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via 
AF  wrote:
  Sorry.Â  I donâ€™t want to go back to the days of 
lent, but we have to remain civil to do so.Â  
  Â 
  The DC crap today does not hold a candle in 
magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side.Â  
Give and take.
  Â 
  Folks wanna blow off steam.Â  It will be history 
tomorrow.Â  
  Â 
  No need to pollute

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB


Bill,

Maybe we need a different tag than OT for political stuff.  I agree some of the OT stuff is entertaining and maybe informative.  A separate political tag would allow people to filter it out and not lose the OT stuff. 

--
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 Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com

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Friday, January 8, 2021, 11:48:09 AM, you wrote:





I put all OT threads in a folder all to themselves. I look at that folder when I feel like I need/want some entertainment. F-bombs and other atrocities do not bother me. That stopped being an issue for me back when I was in college.

bp

On 1/8/2021 7:46 AM, Colin Stanners wrote:




One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic is understood by everyone. I don't filter out all OT posts as some relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated technical topics are useful. 

But most political threads, as others have said, don't result in much useful change or new information in the end. Everyone's opinions are already pretty solidified. Instead of creating many new mailing list filters or categories, I think it'd be better avoided altogether once conversations start or become too political.


On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:30 AM Bill Prince  wrote:




Many times I want to post about something that is peripherally related to the industry. However, it may not be direct; Starlink news might be one of those. That is safely OT, and if someone thinks it isn't, then fine. No harm, no foul.
However, I also know personally many of the people on this list, and it is helpful to me to hear what they have to say. Sometimes that dips into politics. I don't want to lose those friends.
Putting in filters for off topic items should be a no brainer for each and every individual on this list. Perhaps a different tag for such topics? Maybe WOT (Way Off Topic), or NSFW, or POL as a prefix? Is that like having your cake and eating it too?

bp


On 1/8/2021 7:22 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:






My .02, as mostly a lurker...

A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views seem to be OK.

For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable technical content for me even though after a few responses threads can go on a tangent.  Signal to noise can be rather low at times but I still find it valuable overall.

Tagging the subject with OT should be a managable way to deal with non-technical content. 



At 02:14 PM 1/7/2021, you wrote:




Chuck,

I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side.Â  Give and take."Â Â and not expect it to start a political argument.Â  I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue.Â  We can't have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not.Â  Â We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we make a no politics rule.Â  The latter seems to be the best option as there are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up.Â Â 

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
Sorry.Â  I donâ€™t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so.Â  
Â 
The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side.Â  Give and take.
Â 
Folks wanna blow off steam.Â  It will be history tomorrow.Â  
Â 
No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side.Â  
Â 
From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
Â 
youre no fun dad 
Â 
Lent?
Â 
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
Kill thread.Â  We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of F words in a subject line.Â  There have been complaints.Â  
Â 
From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
Â 
That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable, no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to be very little that can be done to fix it.
Â 
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House  wrote:
" a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top"Â  Is exactly how I take every bit of news from every outlet on every station.Â Â  It is even more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political agenda.Â  This includes most of the people on this list.Â Â  Very few on either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today.Â  I'd include myself i

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
That's different from what I was thinking about. The F-word is
  almost universal in its usage. It can be a noun, a verb, and
  adjective, and adverb, you name it. It can also just be an
  expletive peppered in a sentence for effect. I don't appreciate
  that sort of usage.
However, for someone who doesn't pepper their language with it,
  it can provide a very effective underline in a way.
I do recall a place my parents took us almost every summer for
  vacation. The fellow who ran the operation, Glibert Norman, was
  known by all the kids as "Jeepers" because his language was just
  filled with the phrase "jeepers creepers", or "by jeepers
  creepers". I learned after I was old enough that when there were
  no kids in his presence, other, more "adult" words were used in
  place of the "jeepers". Kind of a fond memory in fact. All the
  kids loved him. I wonder what the parents thought? I bet they were
  uncomfortable when it was only adults in earshot, but I also bet
  they appreciated that he'd figured out a way to not tick them off
  by talking that way in front of the kids.


bp

On 1/8/2021 9:49 AM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  In a long string of subject lines with F bombs, it does
repulse me.  I don’t typically use any profanity at all and
none around me do.  I don’t hear it in business settings or
out on job sites.  Perhaps it is a Utah thing.  But I deal
with folks all over the world and it really never appears in
emails or phone conversations.  
   
  Once in a while we run into a salty character but it is
rare.  I had a local distributor sales rep in my office a
while back dropping the F bomb all over the place.  Almost
like he was drunk.  It was unusual.  Found it unusual.  I
thought it was pretty impolite as my wife was sitting right
next to me as he was behaving this way.  I have known this
guy for a long time and never witnessed this behavior
before.  
   
  I mentioned it to a friend that reps products that other
company carries.  He was shocked.  Had never seen that guy
behave like that either.  He then mentioned it to one of the
bosses at the distributorship and I had an instant apology. 
I was not asking for one.  I was not trying to get the guy
in trouble.  But they all took it very seriously.  
   
  Again, this could be a local Utah thing, but when I ran
my manufacturing business in Quincy, Ill we never had this
happen there either.  There was one guy named Bob that
worked for Harris Broadcast that was foul mouthed and
everyone in town talked about him.  But that was about it. 
  
   
  Maybe I give off a “don’t f with me” vibe or something. 
I don’t consider myself puritanical or a prude.  But I don’t
think foul language has a place in business or normal
ordinary conversation.  It really puts me off in the
movies.  
   
  

  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
  

 
  
  
I put all OT threads in a folder all to themselves. I
  look at that folder when I feel like I need/want some
  entertainment. F-bombs and other atrocities do not bother
  me. That stopped being an issue for me back when I was in
  college.
 
bp

On 1/8/2021 7:46 AM, Colin
  Stanners wrote:


  
One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic
  is understood by everyone. I don't filter out all OT
  posts as some relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated technical
  topics are useful.
   
  But most political threads, as others have said,
don't result in much useful change or new
information in the end. Everyone's opinions are
already pretty solidified. Instead of creating many
new mailing list filters or categories, I think it'd
be better avoided altogether once conversations
start or become too political.
  
  
  
On Fri, Jan 8,
  2021, 9:30 AM Bill Prince 
  wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

Yes. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: "Mike Hammett" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:57:33 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now? 




Is ARIN my RIR? 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:24 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now? 


http://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/ 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown via AF"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:22:03 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] What do I do now? 




What do I do to make sure the addresses are not black listed etc. Have never 
been through this before. 
Message 
Hello, 

Your request for IPv4 addresses has been completed. Please note that in 
accordance with ARIN policy 4.1.8, your organization may not request additional 
IPv4 addresses from ARIN for 90-days from today's date. 

You may review the new registration by: 

- clicking on "Tickets" in the "Account Manager" navigation bar, 
- click on the ticket number, and 
- click on the "Net Handle" listed in the "Request Details" section of the 
ticket information. 

To add reverse DNS delegation, click the "Actions" button then "Manage Reverse 
DNS". To add a DS Record to a delegation, select "Modify DS Records" from the 
"Manage Reverse DNS" page. For more information on DNSSEC, please visit: 

https://www.arin.net/resources/manage/dnssec/ 

Your organization must register all reassignments of 8 contiguous IP addresses 
or more to downstream customers via a publicly accessible Whois database within 
7 days of all assignments per the guidelines at: 

https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/reassignments/ 

In accordance with the criteria outlined in the "Number Resource Policy Manual" 
(NRPM), your organization will be unable to transfer any IPv4 resources under 
an "8.3 Transfers between Specified Recipients within the ARIN Region" or an 
"8.4 Inter-RIR Transfer to Specified Recipients" to another organization for a 
period of 12-months. For more information please review the NRPM at: 

https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#8-3-transfers-between-specified-recipients-within-the-arin-region
 

If you have an RPKI certificate issued by ARIN, please note that the new 
network has not been added to your certificate. If you would like it to be, 
simply open a new ticket via ASK ARIN, and let us know you'd like to certify 
the new network. We'll then update the certificate for you. 

Ticket 20201012-X712650 is now closed. 

Regards, 

Nathan Newman 
ARIN Technical Support Specialist 
703-227-0660 
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Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

Is ARIN my RIR?

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

http://thebrotherswisp.com/index.php/geo-and-vpn/

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown via AF" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Cc: "Chuck McCown" 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:22:03 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

What do I do to make sure the addresses are not black listed etc.  Have never 
been through this before.

Message Hello,

Your request for IPv4 addresses has been completed. Please note that in 
accordance with ARIN policy 4.1.8, your organization may not request additional 
IPv4 addresses from ARIN for 90-days from today's date.

You may review the new registration by:

- clicking on "Tickets" in the "Account Manager" navigation bar,
- click on the ticket number, and
- click on the "Net Handle" listed in the "Request Details" section of the 
ticket information.

To add reverse DNS delegation, click the "Actions" button then "Manage Reverse 
DNS". To add a DS Record to a delegation, select "Modify DS Records" from the 
"Manage Reverse DNS" page. For more information on DNSSEC, please visit:

https://www.arin.net/resources/manage/dnssec/

Your organization must register all reassignments of 8 contiguous IP addresses 
or more to downstream customers via a publicly accessible Whois database within 
7 days of all assignments per the guidelines at:

https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/reassignments/

In accordance with the criteria outlined in the "Number Resource Policy Manual" 
(NRPM), your organization will be unable to transfer any IPv4 resources under 
an "8.3 Transfers between Specified Recipients within the ARIN Region" or an 
"8.4 Inter-RIR Transfer to Specified Recipients" to another organization for a 
period of 12-months. For more information please review the NRPM at:

https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#8-3-transfers-between-specified-recipients-within-the-arin-region

If you have an RPKI certificate issued by ARIN, please note that the new 
network has not been added to your certificate. If you would like it to be, 
simply open a new ticket via ASK ARIN, and let us know you'd like to certify 
the new network. We'll then update the certificate for you.

Ticket 20201012-X712650 is now closed.

Regards,

Nathan Newman
ARIN Technical Support Specialist
703-227-0660
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Re: [AFMUG] Need a 200-400 watt load

Tungsten bulbs have a 15x inrush current compared to hot current.   Nichrome is 
much less inrush.   

From: dave 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need a 200-400 watt load

+100

On 1/7/21 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Oooh I like the light bulb idea, that'll be nice and easy!  Three 100 watt 
bulbs would be perfect!

  Josh Luthman
  24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 10:06 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

Options I've used are
1) 3-4x "round ceiling" type lighbulb holders wirth 100W bulbs mounted on a 
piece of wood, using PC power cords with the ends cut off to make them plug-in. 
Inexpensive and load is customizable by choosing how many to plug in. Just need 
to be careful of storage as the bulbs are delicate.

2) heater with a low-heat mode that takes about 300-400W.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 8:58 AM Josh Luthman  
wrote:

  My UPS needs to be at 30% load to get a runtime load test.  I'm at 11% 
(of 750va) with the BH and AP up there. 

  If memory serves, back in 2015 I used a couple CRT monitors.  Those are 
long gone.  The only idea I have is a space heater, but that's 850-900 watts 
and will probably be too much.

  Short of carrying up 20 Ubiquiti AP/POE and some surge strips, anyone 
have any clever ideas?  I have to carry this up 5 flights of stairs so please 
be gentle :)

  Josh Luthman
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Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

make sure mikes list gets done
youll still find periodic "gurus" who use the "best" geolocation service
like mediatemples firewall service, good luck on that, they probably also
run avg
rdns used to really matter, not sure if it still does



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

In a long string of subject lines with F bombs, it does repulse me.  I don’t 
typically use any profanity at all and none around me do.  I don’t hear it in 
business settings or out on job sites.  Perhaps it is a Utah thing.  But I deal 
with folks all over the world and it really never appears in emails or phone 
conversations.  

Once in a while we run into a salty character but it is rare.  I had a local 
distributor sales rep in my office a while back dropping the F bomb all over 
the place.  Almost like he was drunk.  It was unusual.  Found it unusual.  I 
thought it was pretty impolite as my wife was sitting right next to me as he 
was behaving this way.  I have known this guy for a long time and never 
witnessed this behavior before.  

I mentioned it to a friend that reps products that other company carries.  He 
was shocked.  Had never seen that guy behave like that either.  He then 
mentioned it to one of the bosses at the distributorship and I had an instant 
apology.  I was not asking for one.  I was not trying to get the guy in 
trouble.  But they all took it very seriously.  

Again, this could be a local Utah thing, but when I ran my manufacturing 
business in Quincy, Ill we never had this happen there either.  There was one 
guy named Bob that worked for Harris Broadcast that was foul mouthed and 
everyone in town talked about him.  But that was about it.  

Maybe I give off a “don’t f with me” vibe or something.  I don’t consider 
myself puritanical or a prude.  But I don’t think foul language has a place in 
business or normal ordinary conversation.  It really puts me off in the movies. 
 

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:48 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

I put all OT threads in a folder all to themselves. I look at that folder when 
I feel like I need/want some entertainment. F-bombs and other atrocities do not 
bother me. That stopped being an issue for me back when I was in college.



bp
On 1/8/2021 7:46 AM, Colin Stanners wrote:

  One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic is understood by everyone. 
I don't filter out all OT posts as some relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated 
technical topics are useful. 

  But most political threads, as others have said, don't result in much useful 
change or new information in the end. Everyone's opinions are already pretty 
solidified. Instead of creating many new mailing list filters or categories, I 
think it'd be better avoided altogether once conversations start or become too 
political.



  On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:30 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

Many times I want to post about something that is peripherally related to 
the industry. However, it may not be direct; Starlink news might be one of 
those. That is safely OT, and if someone thinks it isn't, then fine. No harm, 
no foul.

However, I also know personally many of the people on this list, and it is 
helpful to me to hear what they have to say. Sometimes that dips into politics. 
I don't want to lose those friends.


Putting in filters for off topic items should be a no brainer for each and 
every individual on this list. Perhaps a different tag for such topics? Maybe 
WOT (Way Off Topic), or NSFW, or POL as a prefix? Is that like having your cake 
and eating it too?



bp
On 1/8/2021 7:22 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:



  My .02, as mostly a lurker...

  A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views seem to be OK.

  For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable technical content for me 
even though after a few responses threads can go on a tangent.  Signal to noise 
can be rather low at times but I still find it valuable overall.

  Tagging the subject with OT should be a managable way to deal with 
non-technical content. 



  At 02:14 PM 1/7/2021, you wrote:

Chuck,

I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The 
DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle 
crap largely done by the other side.Â  Give and take."Â Â and not expect it to 
start a political argument.Â  I think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong 
about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue.Â  We can't have a list where one 
sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not.Â  Â We 
either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we make a no 
politics rule.Â  The latter seems to be the best option as there are too many 
brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up.Â Â 

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:

  Sorry.Â  I donâ€™t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have 
to remain civil to do so.Â  

  Â 

  The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland 
and Seattle crap largely done by the other side.Â  Give and take.

  Â 

  Folks wanna blow off steam.Â  It will be history tomorrow.Â  

  Â 

  No need to pollut

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

Like? 




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- Original Message -

From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:39:21 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 



You can use it for 10 servers. But it still won't do certain things that 
make managing all of them easy. 



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- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:53:05 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 




Strange. 

Friends of mine have used Proxmox in installations where there were many, many 
racks full of servers. 




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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:46:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 



Here is the alternative I was looking at. Since Xen didn't do paravirtual 
before but it does now. 

https://xcp-ng.org/ 


Proxmox too many things its missing to list here. Its great for basic usage 2-3 
servers definitely. I'd use it in a heartbeat if I was a small operation. 


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- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:49:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 




What features is Proxmox missing that vSphere has (and you need\use)? 

Proxmox also has a backup server now, though I haven't really looked at it. 




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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:47:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 



Oh the combo.. couldn't help you there :) Proxmox looks cool.. but still 
doesn't have the features Vmware does. But I hear now there is some pretty good 
xen material out there now. It has advanced much further than it used to be. 
Trying to find the link but the manager you need to pay for but its a fraction 
of Vmware. 


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- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 2:16:29 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 



Ive been running vmware and veeam forever, i love it, but we are getting priced 
out of continuing to use it. upgrading either is always a cumbersome task. 

Having been using what is probably the simplest virtualization/backup combo out 
there I'm guessing anything we move to will have a massive learning curve for 
me, 

What combos are out there that dont break the bank and are reliable as this? 
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Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

You can use it for 10 servers. But it still won't do certain things that 
make managing all of them easy. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
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From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:53:05 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Strange. 
Friends of mine have used Proxmox in installations where there were many, many 
racks full of servers. 



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From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:46:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Here is the alternative I was looking at. Since Xen didn't do paravirtual 
before but it does now. 

[ https://xcp-ng.org/ | https://xcp-ng.org/ ] 

Proxmox too many things its missing to list here. Its great for basic usage 2-3 
servers definitely. I'd use it in a heartbeat if I was a small operation. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
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DIRECTOR OF GLOBAL CONNECTIVITY & CONTINUITY A: 158 Erie St. N | Leamington ON 
E: st...@wavedirect.org | P: 519-737-9283 
W: www.wavedirect.net 


From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:49:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

What features is Proxmox missing that vSphere has (and you need\use)? 
Proxmox also has a backup server now, though I haven't really looked at it. 



- 
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https://twitter.com/ICSIL ] 
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From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:47:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Oh the combo.. couldn't help you there :) Proxmox looks cool.. but still 
doesn't have the features Vmware does. But I hear now there is some pretty good 
xen material out there now. It has advanced much further than it used to be. 
Trying to find the link but the manager you need to pay for but its a fraction 
of Vmware. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
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From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 2:16:29 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Ive been running vmware and veeam forever, i love it, but we are getting priced 
out of continuing to use it. upgrading either is always a cumbersome task. 
Having been using what is probably the simplest virtualization/backup combo out 
there I'm guessing anything we move to will have a massive learning curve for 
me, 

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Re: [AFMUG] What do I do now?

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From: "Chuck McCown via AF"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 11:22:03 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] What do I do now? 




What do I do to make sure the addresses are not black listed etc. Have never 
been through this before. 
Message 
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accordance with ARIN policy 4.1.8, your organization may not request additional 
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You may review the new registration by: 

- clicking on "Tickets" in the "Account Manager" navigation bar, 
- click on the ticket number, and 
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To add reverse DNS delegation, click the "Actions" button then "Manage Reverse 
DNS". To add a DS Record to a delegation, select "Modify DS Records" from the 
"Manage Reverse DNS" page. For more information on DNSSEC, please visit: 

https://www.arin.net/resources/manage/dnssec/ 

Your organization must register all reassignments of 8 contiguous IP addresses 
or more to downstream customers via a publicly accessible Whois database within 
7 days of all assignments per the guidelines at: 

https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/reassignments/ 

In accordance with the criteria outlined in the "Number Resource Policy Manual" 
(NRPM), your organization will be unable to transfer any IPv4 resources under 
an "8.3 Transfers between Specified Recipients within the ARIN Region" or an 
"8.4 Inter-RIR Transfer to Specified Recipients" to another organization for a 
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If you have an RPKI certificate issued by ARIN, please note that the new 
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simply open a new ticket via ASK ARIN, and let us know you'd like to certify 
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[AFMUG] What do I do now?

What do I do to make sure the addresses are not black listed etc. Have never
been through this before.

Message Hello,

Your request for IPv4 addresses has been completed. Please note that in
accordance with ARIN policy 4.1.8, your organization may not request additional
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You may review the new registration by:

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To add reverse DNS delegation, click the "Actions" button then "Manage Reverse
DNS". To add a DS Record to a delegation, select "Modify DS Records" from the
"Manage Reverse DNS" page. For more information on DNSSEC, please visit:

https://www.arin.net/resources/manage/dnssec/

Your organization must register all reassignments of 8 contiguous IP addresses
or more to downstream customers via a publicly accessible Whois database within
7 days of all assignments per the guidelines at:

https://www.arin.net/resources/registry/reassignments/

In accordance with the criteria outlined in the "Number Resource Policy Manual"
(NRPM), your organization will be unable to transfer any IPv4 resources under
an "8.3 Transfers between Specified Recipients within the ARIN Region" or an
"8.4 Inter-RIR Transfer to Specified Recipients" to another organization for a
period of 12-months. For more information please review the NRPM at:

https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#8-3-transfers-between-specified-recipients-within-the-arin-region

If you have an RPKI certificate issued by ARIN, please note that the new
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Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

Strange. 


Friends of mine have used Proxmox in installations where there were many, many 
racks full of servers. 




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:46:26 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 



Here is the alternative I was looking at. Since Xen didn't do paravirtual 
before but it does now. 


https://xcp-ng.org/ 



Proxmox too many things its missing to list here. Its great for basic usage 2-3 
servers definitely. I'd use it in a heartbeat if I was a small operation. 



logo
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- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:49:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 




What features is Proxmox missing that vSphere has (and you need\use)? 

Proxmox also has a backup server now, though I haven't really looked at it. 




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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:47:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 



Oh the combo.. couldn't help you there :) Proxmox looks cool.. but still 
doesn't have the features Vmware does. But I hear now there is some pretty good 
xen material out there now. It has advanced much further than it used to be. 
Trying to find the link but the manager you need to pay for but its a fraction 
of Vmware. 


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Subject: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 



Ive been running vmware and veeam forever, i love it, but we are getting priced 
out of continuing to use it. upgrading either is always a cumbersome task. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Need a 200-400 watt load

2021-01-08 Thread dave


+100

On 1/7/21 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Oooh I like the light bulb idea, that'll be nice and easy!  Three 100 
watt bulbs would be perfect!


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On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 10:06 AM Colin Stanners > wrote:


Options I've used are
1) 3-4x "round ceiling" type lighbulb holders wirth 100W bulbs
mounted on a piece of wood, using PC power cords with the ends cut
off to make them plug-in. Inexpensive and load is customizable by
choosing how many to plug in. Just need to be careful of storage
as the bulbs are delicate.
2) heater with a low-heat mode that takes about 300-400W.


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 8:58 AM Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:

My UPS needs to be at 30% load to get a runtime load test. 
I'm at 11% (of 750va) with the BH and AP up there.

If memory serves, back in 2015 I used a couple CRT monitors. 
Those are long gone.  The only idea I have is a space heater,
but that's 850-900 watts and will probably be too much.

Short of carrying up 20 Ubiquiti AP/POE and some surge strips,
anyone have any clever ideas?  I have to carry this up 5
flights of stairs so please be gentle :)

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
I put all OT threads in a folder all to themselves. I look at
  that folder when I feel like I need/want some entertainment.
  F-bombs and other atrocities do not bother me. That stopped being
  an issue for me back when I was in college.


bp

On 1/8/2021 7:46 AM, Colin Stanners
  wrote:


  
  
One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic is
  understood by everyone. I don't filter out all OT posts as
  some relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated technical topics are
  useful.
  
  
  But most political threads, as others have
said, don't result in much useful change or new information
in the end. Everyone's opinions are already pretty
solidified. Instead of creating many new mailing list
filters or categories, I think it'd be better avoided
altogether once conversations start or become too political.
  
  
  
On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:30
  AM Bill Prince 
  wrote:


  
Many times I want to post about something that is
  peripherally related to the industry. However, it may
  not be direct; Starlink news might be one of those.
  That is safely OT, and if someone thinks it isn't,
  then fine. No harm, no foul.
However, I also know personally many of the people on
  this list, and it is helpful to me to hear what they
  have to say. Sometimes that dips into politics. I
  don't want to lose those friends.

Putting in filters for off topic items should be a no
  brainer for each and every individual on this list.
  Perhaps a different tag for such topics? Maybe WOT
  (Way Off Topic), or NSFW, or POL as a prefix? Is that
  like having your cake and eating it too?


bp

On 1/8/2021 7:22 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:

 
  
  My .02, as mostly a lurker...
  
  A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views
  seem to be OK.
  
  For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable
  technical content for me even though after a few
  responses threads can go on a tangent.  Signal to
  noise can be rather low at times but I still find it
  valuable overall.
  
  Tagging the subject with OT should be a managable way
  to deal with non-technical content. 
  
  
  
  At 02:14 PM 1/7/2021, you wrote:
  Chuck,

I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't
say crap like "The DC crap today does not hold a
candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap
largely done by the other side.Â  Give and take."Â Â
and not expect it to start a political argument.Â  I
think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about
that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue.Â  We can't
have a list where one sided inflammatory BS like
that is allowed but countering it is not.Â  Â We
either allow political discussions, which I'm fine
with, or we make a no politics rule.Â  The latter
seems to be the best option as there are too many
brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up.Â
Â 

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF

wrote:

  Sorry.Â  I donâ€™t want to go back to the days
of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so.Â 

  
  Â 
  
  The DC crap today does not hold a candle in
magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap
largely done by the other side.Â  Give and take.
  
  Â 
  
  Folks wanna blow off steam.Â  It will be
history tomorrow.Â  
  
  Â 
  
  No need to pollute our list here with that
energy, fro

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

Here is the alternative I was looking at. Since Xen didn't do paravirtual 
before but it does now. 

[ https://xcp-ng.org/ | https://xcp-ng.org/ ] 

Proxmox too many things its missing to list here. Its great for basic usage 2-3 
servers definitely. I'd use it in a heartbeat if I was a small operation. 

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From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 10:49:39 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

What features is Proxmox missing that vSphere has (and you need\use)? 
Proxmox also has a backup server now, though I haven't really looked at it. 



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From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:47:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Oh the combo.. couldn't help you there :) Proxmox looks cool.. but still 
doesn't have the features Vmware does. But I hear now there is some pretty good 
xen material out there now. It has advanced much further than it used to be. 
Trying to find the link but the manager you need to pay for but its a fraction 
of Vmware. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
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From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 2:16:29 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Ive been running vmware and veeam forever, i love it, but we are getting priced 
out of continuing to use it. upgrading either is always a cumbersome task. 
Having been using what is probably the simplest virtualization/backup combo out 
there I'm guessing anything we move to will have a massive learning curve for 
me, 

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Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

What features is Proxmox missing that vSphere has (and you need\use)? 


Proxmox also has a backup server now, though I haven't really looked at it. 




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From: "Steven Kenney"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 9:47:51 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 



Oh the combo.. couldn't help you there :) Proxmox looks cool.. but still 
doesn't have the features Vmware does. But I hear now there is some pretty good 
xen material out there now. It has advanced much further than it used to be. 
Trying to find the link but the manager you need to pay for but its a fraction 
of Vmware. 



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From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 2:16:29 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 




Ive been running vmware and veeam forever, i love it, but we are getting priced 
out of continuing to use it. upgrading either is always a cumbersome task. 

Having been using what is probably the simplest virtualization/backup combo out 
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Oh the combo.. couldn't help you there :) Proxmox looks cool.. but still 
doesn't have the features Vmware does. But I hear now there is some pretty good 
xen material out there now. It has advanced much further than it used to be. 
Trying to find the link but the manager you need to pay for but its a fraction 
of Vmware. 

[ https://www.wavedirect.net/ |] 
[ https://www.facebook.com/ruralhighspeed ] [ 
https://www.instagram.com/wave.direct/ ] [ 
https://www.linkedin.com/company/wavedirect-telecommunication/ ] [ 
https://twitter.com/wavedirect1 ] [ https://www.youtube.com/user/WaveDirect ] 
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From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 2:16:29 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Ive been running vmware and veeam forever, i love it, but we are getting priced 
out of continuing to use it. upgrading either is always a cumbersome task. 
Having been using what is probably the simplest virtualization/backup combo out 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread Colin Stanners

One good thing is that AFMUG's main purpose/topic is understood by
everyone. I don't filter out all OT posts as some
relatively-WISP/FISP-unrelated technical topics are useful.

But most political threads, as others have said, don't result in much
useful change or new information in the end. Everyone's opinions are
already pretty solidified. Instead of creating many new mailing list
filters or categories, I think it'd be better avoided altogether once
conversations start or become too political.


On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 9:30 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Many times I want to post about something that is peripherally related to
> the industry. However, it may not be direct; Starlink news might be one of
> those. That is safely OT, and if someone thinks it isn't, then fine. No
> harm, no foul.
>
> However, I also know personally many of the people on this list, and it is
> helpful to me to hear what they have to say. Sometimes that dips into
> politics. I don't want to lose those friends.
>
> Putting in filters for off topic items should be a no brainer for each and
> every individual on this list. Perhaps a different tag for such topics?
> Maybe WOT (Way Off Topic), or NSFW, or POL as a prefix? Is that like having
> your cake and eating it too?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 1/8/2021 7:22 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:
>
>
>
> My .02, as mostly a lurker...
>
> A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views seem to be OK.
>
> For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable technical content for me
> even though after a few responses threads can go on a tangent.  Signal to
> noise can be rather low at times but I still find it valuable overall.
>
> Tagging the subject with OT should be a managable way to deal with
> non-technical content.
>
>
>
> At 02:14 PM 1/7/2021, you wrote:
>
> Chuck,
>
> I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap like "The DC
> crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and Seattle
> crap largely done by the other side.Â  Give and take."Â Â and not expect it
> to start a political argument.Â  I think you are abundantly and dangerously
> wrong about that but I'm (mostly) holding my tongue.Â  We can't have a list
> where one sided inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is
> not.Â  Â We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or we
> make a no politics rule.Â  The latter seems to be the best option as there
> are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up.Â Â
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
> Sorry.Â  I donâ€™t want to go back to the days of lent, but we have to
> remain civil to do so.Â
> Â
> The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and
> Seattle crap largely done by the other side.Â  Give and take.
> Â
> Folks wanna blow off steam.Â  It will be history tomorrow.Â
> Â
> No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side.Â
> Â
> From: Steve Jones 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
> Â
> youre no fun dad
> Â
> Lent?
> Â
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF  > wrote:
> Kill thread.Â  We had been well behaved but nobody wants to see a bunch of
> F words in a subject line.Â  There have been complaints.Â
> Â
> From: Mathew Howard 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
> Â
> That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion that almost no
> so-called news having anything to do with politics is honest or reliable,
> no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is slanted (if not
> outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or manipulate their
> consumers into supporting a particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems
> to be very little that can be done to fix it.
> Â
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House  > wrote:
> " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on top"Â  Is exactly how I
> take every bit of news from every outlet on every station.Â Â  It is even
> more the case when the source is a politician or anyone with a political
> agenda.Â  This includes most of the people on this list.Â Â  Very few on
> either side can really provide an objective argument on politics today.Â
> I'd include myself in that group therefore I tend to just delete or not
> reply to these group messages because it only furthers the divide.Â Â  I
> honestly dont see any long term solution to the divide we have today.Â Â
> Mainstream media isn't going to help.Â  Congress isn't going to help and
> Trump isn't going to help.Â  Neither is anyone's opinion on this list
> Â
> Â
> --
> From: "Adam Moffett" >
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >
> Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
> Â
>
> Look at the evidence closely and in each case you'll find a nugget of
> truth with a layer of bull

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

Nakivo .. it just works. Its simple, effective and much more affordable than 
the competitors. 

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From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 2:16:29 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives 

Ive been running vmware and veeam forever, i love it, but we are getting priced 
out of continuing to use it. upgrading either is always a cumbersome task. 
Having been using what is probably the simplest virtualization/backup combo out 
there I'm guessing anything we move to will have a massive learning curve for 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
Many times I want to post about something that is peripherally
  related to the industry. However, it may not be direct; Starlink
  news might be one of those. That is safely OT, and if someone
  thinks it isn't, then fine. No harm, no foul.
However, I also know personally many of the people on this list,
  and it is helpful to me to hear what they have to say. Sometimes
  that dips into politics. I don't want to lose those friends.

Putting in filters for off topic items should be a no brainer for
  each and every individual on this list. Perhaps a different tag
  for such topics? Maybe WOT (Way Off Topic), or NSFW, or POL as a
  prefix? Is that like having your cake and eating it too?


bp

On 1/8/2021 7:22 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:


  
  
  
  My .02, as mostly a lurker...
  
  A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views seem to be
  OK.
  
  For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable technical content
  for me
  even though after a few responses threads can go on a tangent. 
  Signal to noise can be rather low at times but I still find it
  valuable
  overall.
  
  Tagging the subject with OT should be a managable way to deal with
  non-technical content. 
  
  
  
  At 02:14 PM 1/7/2021, you wrote:
  Chuck,

I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't say crap
like
"The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to the
Portland and Seattle crap largely done by the other side.Â  Give
and
take."Â Â and not expect it to start a political argument.Â  I
think you are abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but
I'm
(mostly) holding my tongue.Â  We can't have a list where one
sided
inflammatory BS like that is allowed but countering it is not.Â 
Â
We either allow political discussions, which I'm fine with, or
we make a
no politics rule.Â  The latter seems to be the best option as
there
are too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up.Â
Â


On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via AF

wrote:

  Sorry.Â  I donâ€™t want to go back to the days of lent,
but we
have to remain civil to do so.Â  
  
  Â 
  
  The DC crap today does not hold a candle in magnitude to
the Portland
and Seattle crap largely done by the other side.Â  Give and
take.
  
  Â 
  
  Folks wanna blow off steam.Â  It will be history
tomorrow.Â  
  
  Â 
  
  No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from
either
side.Â  
  
  Â 
  
  From: Steve Jones

  
  Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM
  
  To: AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group 
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
  
  Â 
  
  youre no fun dad 
  
  Â 
  
  Lent?
  
  Â 
  
  On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF

wrote:

  Kill thread.Â  We had been well behaved but nobody
wants to see
a bunch of F words in a subject line.Â  There have been
complaints.Â  
  
  Â 
  
  From: Mathew
  Howard 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM
  
  To: AnimalFarm
  Microwave Users Group 
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
  
  Â 
  
  That's the real problem. I've come to the conclusion
that almost no
so-called news having anything to do with politics is
honest or reliable,
no matter which side it comes from. Almost all of it is
slanted (if not
outright dishonest) to either fit their own view or
manipulate their
consumers into supporting a particular agenda.
Unfortunately, there seems
to be very little that can be done to fix it.
  
  Â 
  
  On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House

wrote:

  " a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on
top"Â 
Is exactly how I take every bit of news from every

Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

2021-01-08 Thread D. Bernardi




My .02, as mostly a lurker...

A agree 100% with this statement. Some political views seem to be OK.

For an RF rookie, this list has some invaluable 
technical content for me even though after a few 
responses threads can go on a tangent.  Signal to 
noise can be rather low at times but I still find it valuable overall.


Tagging the subject with OT should be a managable 
way to deal with non-technical content.




At 02:14 PM 1/7/2021, you wrote:

Chuck,

I know it is your list and your rules, but you 
can't say crap like "The DC crap today does not 
hold a candle in magnitude to the Portland and 
Seattle crap largely done by the other 
side.Â  Give and take."Â Â and not expect it to 
start a political argument.Â  I think you are 
abundantly and dangerously wrong about that but 
I'm (mostly) holding my tongue.Â  We can't have 
a list where one sided inflammatory BS like that 
is allowed but countering it is not.Â  Â We 
either allow political discussions, which I'm 
fine with, or we make a no politics rule.Â  The 
latter seems to be the best option as there are 
too many brilliant minds who we will lose if we keep it up.Â Â


On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:37 PM Chuck McCown via 
AF <af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
Sorry.Â  I donât want to go back to the days 
of lent, but we have to remain civil to do so.Â

Â
The DC crap today does not hold a candle in 
magnitude to the Portland and Seattle crap 
largely done by the other side.Â  Give and take.

Â
Folks wanna blow off steam.Â  It will be history tomorrow.Â
Â
No need to pollute our list here with that energy, from either side.Â
Â
From: Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
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youre no fun dad
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Lent?
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
Kill thread.Â  We had been well behaved but 
nobody wants to see a bunch of F words in a 
subject line.Â  There have been complaints.Â

Â
From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 3:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
Â
That's the real problem. I've come to the 
conclusion that almost no so-called news having 
anything to do with politics is honest or 
reliable, no matter which side it comes from. 
Almost all of it is slanted (if not outright 
dishonest) to either fit their own view or 
manipulate their consumers into supporting a 
particular agenda. Unfortunately, there seems to 
be very little that can be done to fix it.

Â
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 4:17 PM Craig House  wrote:
" a nugget of truth with a layer of bullshit on 
top"Â  Is exactly how I take every bit of news 
from every outlet on every station.Â Â  It is 
even more the case when the source is a 
politician or anyone with a political 
agenda.Â  This includes most of the people on 
this list.Â Â  Very few on either side can 
really provide an objective argument on politics 
today.Â  I'd include myself in that group 
therefore I tend to just delete or not reply to 
these group messages because it only furthers 
the divide.Â Â  I honestly dont see any long 
term solution to the divide we have today.Â 
Â  Mainstream media isn't going to 
help.Â  Congress isn't going to help and Trump 
isn't going to help.Â  Neither is anyone's opinion on this list

Â
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From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:09:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
Â

Look at the evidence closely and in each case 
you'll find a nugget of truth with a layer of 
bullshit on top.Â  That so many people are so 
thoroughly fooled by it is the most distressing 
part.Â  Look closer.Â  Stop being a fool.


The "coup" is when the loser thinks he can win by pretending hard enough.

Â
On 1/6/2021 5:05 PM, justsumname wrote:
an election that is not conducted according to 
law is not an election.Â Â  it's a coup.
Worse... if the 'election' is not transparent, 
verifiable, and treats every voter the same, it's not an "election".
Worse ... if poll watchers are bullied and 
physically threatened... that is intolerable.

Â
hereistheevidence.comÂ 
Â  --- in case you dare open your mind to truth

Â
Patton was correct, and so was that McCarthy 
guy, who was probably a commie plant because he 
did a great job discrediting 'his' message.

Â
All that is left is communism or war.Â Â  That 
was the plan all along and only 'crazy' 
peopleÂ  -- and people who escaped communist 
societies to come warn us -- saw it or believed in it.

Â
I'll sign off with this, because this is probably The End:
Â
âIn my study of communist societies, I came to 
the conclusion that the purpose of communist 
propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not 
to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the 
less it corresponded to reality the better. When 
people are forced to remain silent when they are 
being told the most obvious lies, or even worse 
when they are

Re: [AFMUG] vmware/veeam alternatives

2021-01-08 Thread Josh Baird

How many VM's?  Veeam is free for <10 now I believe.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:17 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Ive been running vmware and veeam forever, i love it, but we are getting
> priced out of continuing to use it. upgrading either is always a cumbersome
> task.
>
> Having been using what is probably the simplest virtualization/backup
> combo out there I'm guessing anything we move to will have a massive
> learning curve for me,
>
> What combos are out there that dont break the bank and are reliable as
> this?
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