[AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

[Dev]

Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips below 
15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. 
Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar?
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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

[Colin Stanners]

Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a
thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy.
(based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat)

Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive
and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a
good-enough uptime right now.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev  wrote:

> Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips
> below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how
> this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar?
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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

[Bill Prince]

Until they get the constellation fleshed out; probably after 2021 (maybe 
mid 2022?), I would not put too much credence in any numbers, big or small.



bp


On 3/3/2021 8:46 AM, Dev wrote:

Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips below 
15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. 
Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar?


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Re: [AFMUG] librenms and a mikrotik not collecting data

[Joshua Stump]

Either specify the src address or make sure your SNMP packets are coming and 
going from the same interface as the latter is why “weird things are 
happening”… 

 

Joshua Stump

Network Admin

  Fourway.NET

800-733-0062

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2021 2:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] librenms and a mikrotik not collecting data

 

Thanks man, since i added that and so far its been solid

 

 

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 12:40 PM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

It's in the snmp settings on the Mikrotik

 

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021, 11:15 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

is that in the config file?

 

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 10:50 AM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Do you have the SNMP src-address set? sometimes weird things happen if you 
don't.

 

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 10:45 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

image didnt attach

 

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 10:42 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I have a mikrotik rb1100ahx2 on a fairly small site

I cant track what the deal is with librenms graphing this thing. it shows down 
all the time

running the manual scan says no response, but I can ping from libre server, I 
can ping to libre server from it

i logged the only drop rule in the router hand have libre in the allowed ACL

nothing else at the site is doing this, there is nothing to indicate whats 
going on at all

none of the other 1200 have this issue

its not a heavy load on the router

i tried different firmwares

OSPF isnt changing

Im stumped

 



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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

[Matt Hoppes]

Yup... I'm hearing/seeing the same thing.

On 3/3/21 11:46 AM, Dev wrote:

Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips below 
15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how this scales. 
Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar?



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[AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[Carl Peterson]

We currently use 2061 dies in regular crimp frames.  Debating buying new
dies vs moving to something else.  Looking for something as tech-proof as
possible that doesn't rely on them knowing how much to squeeze.  Any
favorites out there?  Any favorites on Shielded RJ45s?  We currently use
the Netonix ones.

We have been seeing a lot more ethernet cabling issues as of late.  Trying
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Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[Josh Luthman]

100% Shireen smartfeed connectors.  I think they made the tool, too.  It
nearly eliminated our rj45/cat5 problems.  At least 99% resolved I'd say.

We tried Arc/Ubnt/Netonix in the past.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:06 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> We currently use 2061 dies in regular crimp frames.  Debating buying new
> dies vs moving to something else.  Looking for something as tech-proof as
> possible that doesn't rely on them knowing how much to squeeze.  Any
> favorites out there?  Any favorites on Shielded RJ45s?  We currently use
> the Netonix ones.
>
> We have been seeing a lot more ethernet cabling issues as of late.  Trying
> to figure out why that is and prevent it.
>
>
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> Carl Peterson
>
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>
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>
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[AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Sean Heskett]

Hello,

What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio everyone is in
love with?

asking for a friend ;-)

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Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[Jason McKemie]

I've been using the Ubiquiti shielded connectors for a few years, no
issues. For crimpers I've been using the platinum tools racheting ez-rj45
model - it works just fine with standard (non-ez-rj45) connectors as well.
If you've got some fairly inexperienced folks out there the pass through
connectors might be a decent idea. They make no difference for me
personally though.

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> We currently use 2061 dies in regular crimp frames.  Debating buying new
> dies vs moving to something else.  Looking for something as tech-proof as
> possible that doesn't rely on them knowing how much to squeeze.  Any
> favorites out there?  Any favorites on Shielded RJ45s?  We currently use
> the Netonix ones.
>
> We have been seeing a lot more ethernet cabling issues as of late.  Trying
> to figure out why that is and prevent it.
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
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>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
>
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Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[Carl Peterson]

Thanks Josh,

Any chance you could send the info on the tool you are using with them?


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> 100% Shireen smartfeed connectors.  I think they made the tool, too.  It
> nearly eliminated our rj45/cat5 problems.  At least 99% resolved I'd say.
>
> We tried Arc/Ubnt/Netonix in the past.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:06 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> We currently use 2061 dies in regular crimp frames.  Debating buying new
>> dies vs moving to something else.  Looking for something as tech-proof as
>> possible that doesn't rely on them knowing how much to squeeze.  Any
>> favorites out there?  Any favorites on Shielded RJ45s?  We currently use
>> the Netonix ones.
>>
>> We have been seeing a lot more ethernet cabling issues as of late.
>> Trying to figure out why that is and prevent it.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Carl Peterson
>>
>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>
>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to serve 
locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too much.  I 
am always an optimist.  BTW, Covid will be done in a month...

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a 
thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy. (based 
on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat)


Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive and 
complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a good-enough 
uptime right now.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev  wrote:

  Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips 
below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how this 
scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar?
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Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[Josh Luthman]

Tried to find that this morning to put in our wiki, actually.  I got it
from Streakwave.  My guy is out of the office today, though.  And the
website is broken if you search crimper.

If you need it right away just call someone at Streakwave and ask for
crimpers.  If there are multiple options, ask what Imagine Networks has
been buying.  The new ones are blue.

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:58 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Thanks Josh,
>
> Any chance you could send the info on the tool you are using with them?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> 100% Shireen smartfeed connectors.  I think they made the tool, too.  It
>> nearly eliminated our rj45/cat5 problems.  At least 99% resolved I'd say.
>>
>> We tried Arc/Ubnt/Netonix in the past.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:06 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We currently use 2061 dies in regular crimp frames.  Debating buying new
>>> dies vs moving to something else.  Looking for something as tech-proof as
>>> possible that doesn't rely on them knowing how much to squeeze.  Any
>>> favorites out there?  Any favorites on Shielded RJ45s?  We currently use
>>> the Netonix ones.
>>>
>>> We have been seeing a lot more ethernet cabling issues as of late.
>>> Trying to figure out why that is and prevent it.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Carl Peterson
>>>
>>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>>
>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>>
>>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>>
>>> (410) 637-3707
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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

[Josh Luthman]

Covid is done now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/02/us/coronavirus-reopening-texas.html

Josh Luthman
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 3:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to
> serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too
> much.  I am always an optimist.  BTW, Covid will be done in a month...
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
>
> Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a
> thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy.
> (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat)
>
> Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive
> and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a
> good-enough uptime right now.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev  wrote:
>
>> Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips
>> below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how
>> this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar?
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Jason McKemie]

If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come close
to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying multiple radios.

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio everyone is
> in love with?
>
> asking for a friend ;-)
>
> *Sean Heskett*
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Jason McKemie]

I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic channel
available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from them going up
soon.

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie 
wrote:

> If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come close
> to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying multiple radios.
>
> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio everyone is
>> in love with?
>>
>> asking for a friend ;-)
>>
>> *Sean Heskett*
>>
>> *ZIRKEL *
>> *Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV*
>> 970-871-8500 x100 - Office
>> Website  | Facebook
>> 
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

[David Hannum]

We (WISPS) can beat their speeds and prices in areas we are in, and you
KNOW we offer WAY better service.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to
> serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too
> much.  I am always an optimist.  BTW, Covid will be done in a month...
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
>
> Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a
> thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy.
> (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat)
>
> Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive
> and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a
> good-enough uptime right now.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev  wrote:
>
>> Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips
>> below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how
>> this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar?
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Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[Carl Peterson]

This one?

https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/crimper-tool-for-rj45-rj11-rj12

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:49 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Tried to find that this morning to put in our wiki, actually.  I got it
> from Streakwave.  My guy is out of the office today, though.  And the
> website is broken if you search crimper.
>
> If you need it right away just call someone at Streakwave and ask for
> crimpers.  If there are multiple options, ask what Imagine Networks has
> been buying.  The new ones are blue.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:58 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Josh,
>>
>> Any chance you could send the info on the tool you are using with them?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 100% Shireen smartfeed connectors.  I think they made the tool, too.  It
>>> nearly eliminated our rj45/cat5 problems.  At least 99% resolved I'd say.
>>>
>>> We tried Arc/Ubnt/Netonix in the past.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:06 PM Carl Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We currently use 2061 dies in regular crimp frames.  Debating buying
 new dies vs moving to something else.  Looking for something as tech-proof
 as possible that doesn't rely on them knowing how much to squeeze.  Any
 favorites out there?  Any favorites on Shielded RJ45s?  We currently use
 the Netonix ones.

 We have been seeing a lot more ethernet cabling issues as of late.
 Trying to figure out why that is and prevent it.


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 Baltimore, MD 21202

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Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[Josh Luthman]

https://www.streakwave.com/platinum-tools-100054c-ez-rj-pro-hd-crimp-tool

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 4:29 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> This one?
>
> https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/crimper-tool-for-rj45-rj11-rj12
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:49 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Tried to find that this morning to put in our wiki, actually.  I got it
>> from Streakwave.  My guy is out of the office today, though.  And the
>> website is broken if you search crimper.
>>
>> If you need it right away just call someone at Streakwave and ask for
>> crimpers.  If there are multiple options, ask what Imagine Networks has
>> been buying.  The new ones are blue.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:58 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Josh,
>>>
>>> Any chance you could send the info on the tool you are using with them?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 100% Shireen smartfeed connectors.  I think they made the tool, too.
 It nearly eliminated our rj45/cat5 problems.  At least 99% resolved I'd 
 say.

 We tried Arc/Ubnt/Netonix in the past.

 Josh Luthman
 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:06 PM Carl Peterson <
 cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:

> We currently use 2061 dies in regular crimp frames.  Debating buying
> new dies vs moving to something else.  Looking for something as tech-proof
> as possible that doesn't rely on them knowing how much to squeeze.  Any
> favorites out there?  Any favorites on Shielded RJ45s?  We currently use
> the Netonix ones.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Mathew Howard]

I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's hard
to beat Aviat.

But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to double
the capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, SIAE can do the
same thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic channel
> available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from them going up
> soon.
>
> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come
>> close to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying multiple
>> radios.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio everyone is
>>> in love with?
>>>
>>> asking for a friend ;-)
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[TJ Trout]

I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's hard
> to beat Aviat.
>
> But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to double
> the capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, SIAE can do the
> same thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic
>> channel available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from them
>> going up soon.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come
>>> close to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying multiple
>>> radios.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Hello,

 What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio everyone
 is in love with?

 asking for a friend ;-)

 *Sean Heskett*

 *ZIRKEL *
 *Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV*
 970-871-8500 x100 - Office
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[TJ Trout]

Ahh they can do two channel xpic with bridgewater?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's hard
>> to beat Aviat.
>>
>> But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to double
>> the capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, SIAE can do the
>> same thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic
>>> channel available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from them
>>> going up soon.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come
 close to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying multiple
 radios.

 On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio everyone
> is in love with?
>
> asking for a friend ;-)
>
> *Sean Heskett*
>
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Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[TJ Trout]

Every RJ45 mentioned in this thread so far actually come from the same
factory, we buy them from the factory direct in bulk. If you can buy 1,000
pcs or more and want to save a bit hit me off  the list.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:38 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> https://www.streakwave.com/platinum-tools-100054c-ez-rj-pro-hd-crimp-tool
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 4:29 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> This one?
>>
>> https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/crimper-tool-for-rj45-rj11-rj12
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:49 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Tried to find that this morning to put in our wiki, actually.  I got it
>>> from Streakwave.  My guy is out of the office today, though.  And the
>>> website is broken if you search crimper.
>>>
>>> If you need it right away just call someone at Streakwave and ask for
>>> crimpers.  If there are multiple options, ask what Imagine Networks has
>>> been buying.  The new ones are blue.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>>> Suite 1337
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:58 PM Carl Peterson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Josh,

 Any chance you could send the info on the tool you are using with
 them?


 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> 100% Shireen smartfeed connectors.  I think they made the tool, too.
> It nearly eliminated our rj45/cat5 problems.  At least 99% resolved I'd 
> say.
>
> We tried Arc/Ubnt/Netonix in the past.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:06 PM Carl Peterson <
> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>
>> We currently use 2061 dies in regular crimp frames.  Debating buying
>> new dies vs moving to something else.  Looking for something as 
>> tech-proof
>> as possible that doesn't rely on them knowing how much to squeeze.  Any
>> favorites out there?  Any favorites on Shielded RJ45s?  We currently use
>> the Netonix ones.
>>
>> We have been seeing a lot more ethernet cabling issues as of late.
>> Trying to figure out why that is and prevent it.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

[TJ Trout]

What technology do you utilize to deliver a 100+ mbps to residential subs?
Or is that not what they will offer when beta is done?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 12:58 PM David Hannum  wrote:

> We (WISPS) can beat their speeds and prices in areas we are in, and you
> KNOW we offer WAY better service.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to
>> serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too
>> much.  I am always an optimist.  BTW, Covid will be done in a month...
>>
>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
>>
>> Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a
>> thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy.
>> (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat)
>>
>> Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive
>> and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a
>> good-enough uptime right now.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev  wrote:
>>
>>> Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips
>>> below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how
>>> this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar?
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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

[Jaime Solorza]

>From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... unfortunately it's going
to take a step backwards in Texas..
I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes to Starlink
...my friend does IT work for several of them... curious to see how well it
works.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to
> serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too
> much.  I am always an optimist.  BTW, Covid will be done in a month...
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
>
> Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a
> thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy.
> (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat)
>
> Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive
> and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a
> good-enough uptime right now.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev  wrote:
>
>> Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips
>> below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how
>> this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar?
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Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[Carl Peterson]

Thanks TJ,

I am more interested in repeatable quality than saving a bit on a connector
that is .39 at Streakwave but if they really are the same I might be
interested down the road.  I've know the Shireen guys since they started,
they are right down the road from our Baltimore office, and they have
always been really good about QC.  I kind of like the idea of using their
cable and connector.  Any issues and I can just drop off a bag of cut off
ends and ask them to figure out what the issue is.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:05 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> Every RJ45 mentioned in this thread so far actually come from the same
> factory, we buy them from the factory direct in bulk. If you can buy 1,000
> pcs or more and want to save a bit hit me off  the list.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:38 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> https://www.streakwave.com/platinum-tools-100054c-ez-rj-pro-hd-crimp-tool
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 4:29 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This one?
>>>
>>> https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/crimper-tool-for-rj45-rj11-rj12
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:49 PM Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Tried to find that this morning to put in our wiki, actually.  I got it
 from Streakwave.  My guy is out of the office today, though.  And the
 website is broken if you search crimper.

 If you need it right away just call someone at Streakwave and ask for
 crimpers.  If there are multiple options, ask what Imagine Networks has
 been buying.  The new ones are blue.

 Josh Luthman
 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:58 PM Carl Peterson <
 cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:

> Thanks Josh,
>
> Any chance you could send the info on the tool you are using with
> them?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> 100% Shireen smartfeed connectors.  I think they made the tool, too.
>> It nearly eliminated our rj45/cat5 problems.  At least 99% resolved I'd 
>> say.
>>
>> We tried Arc/Ubnt/Netonix in the past.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:06 PM Carl Peterson <
>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We currently use 2061 dies in regular crimp frames.  Debating buying
>>> new dies vs moving to something else.  Looking for something as 
>>> tech-proof
>>> as possible that doesn't rely on them knowing how much to squeeze.  Any
>>> favorites out there?  Any favorites on Shielded RJ45s?  We currently use
>>> the Netonix ones.
>>>
>>> We have been seeing a lot more ethernet cabling issues as of late.
>>> Trying to figure out why that is and prevent it.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

[Carl Peterson]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Starlink/comments/lwo0dz/starlink_is_usually_around_100mbps_but_sometimes/

Fanboy testing I'm sure.  I'm positive they will generally be 100m + in
production if you don't have obstructions.  Post "install" issues is going
to be the real issue.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:21 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... unfortunately it's
> going to take a step backwards in Texas..
> I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes to Starlink
> ...my friend does IT work for several of them... curious to see how well it
> works.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to
>> serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too
>> much.  I am always an optimist.  BTW, Covid will be done in a month...
>>
>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
>>
>> Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a
>> thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy.
>> (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat)
>>
>> Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive
>> and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a
>> good-enough uptime right now.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev  wrote:
>>
>>> Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips
>>> below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how
>>> this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar?
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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Calix GPON... ;-)

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

What technology do you utilize to deliver a 100+ mbps to residential subs? Or 
is that not what they will offer when beta is done?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 12:58 PM David Hannum  wrote:

  We (WISPS) can beat their speeds and prices in areas we are in, and you KNOW 
we offer WAY better service.

  On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:40 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to 
serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too 
much.  I am always an optimist.  BTW, Covid will be done in a month...

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a 
thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy. (based 
on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat)


Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive 
and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a 
good-enough uptime right now.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev  wrote:

  Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips 
below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how this 
scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar?
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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

>From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... unfortunately it's going to 
>take a step backwards in Texas.. 
I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes to Starlink 
...my friend does IT work for several of them... curious to see how well it 
works.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to 
serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too 
much.  I am always an optimist.  BTW, Covid will be done in a month...

  From: Colin Stanners 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

  Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a 
thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy. (based 
on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat)


  Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive and 
complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a good-enough 
uptime right now.


  On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev  wrote:

Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips 
below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how this 
scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar?
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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha...

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
>
> From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... unfortunately it's
> going to take a step backwards in Texas..
> I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes to Starlink
> ...my friend does IT work for several of them... curious to see how well it
> works.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard to
>> serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas too
>> much.  I am always an optimist.  BTW, Covid will be done in a month...
>>
>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
>>
>> Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a
>> thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy.
>> (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat)
>>
>> Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a massive
>> and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working with a
>> good-enough uptime right now.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev  wrote:
>>
>>> Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing dips
>>> below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see how
>>> this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing similar?
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Darin Steffl]

Aviat

Our link is solid

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:02 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> Ahh they can do two channel xpic with bridgewater?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's
>>> hard to beat Aviat.
>>>
>>> But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to double
>>> the capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, SIAE can do the
>>> same thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic
 channel available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from them
 going up soon.

 On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come
> close to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying multiple
> radios.
>
> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio everyone
>> is in love with?
>>
>> asking for a friend ;-)
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Tim Hardy]

Whatever you end up with, make sure to pay attention to system gain. It is 
absolutely critical for modulations above 512 QAM..

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:19 PM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
> 
> 
> Aviat
> 
> Our link is solid
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:02 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>> Ahh they can do two channel xpic with bridgewater?
>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>> I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king?
>>> 
 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
 I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's hard 
 to beat Aviat. 
 
 But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to double 
 the capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, SIAE can do 
 the same thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.
 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie 
>  wrote:
> I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic 
> channel available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from 
> them going up soon.
> 
>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie 
>>  wrote:
>> If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come 
>> close to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying multiple 
>> radios.
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio everyone 
>>> is in love with?
>>> 
>>> asking for a friend ;-) 
>>> 
>>> Sean Heskett
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] RJ45 crimpers

[Steve Jones]

these are those gold plated ez rj45?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:05 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> Every RJ45 mentioned in this thread so far actually come from the same
> factory, we buy them from the factory direct in bulk. If you can buy 1,000
> pcs or more and want to save a bit hit me off  the list.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:38 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> https://www.streakwave.com/platinum-tools-100054c-ez-rj-pro-hd-crimp-tool
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 4:29 PM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This one?
>>>
>>> https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/crimper-tool-for-rj45-rj11-rj12
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:49 PM Josh Luthman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Tried to find that this morning to put in our wiki, actually.  I got it
 from Streakwave.  My guy is out of the office today, though.  And the
 website is broken if you search crimper.

 If you need it right away just call someone at Streakwave and ask for
 crimpers.  If there are multiple options, ask what Imagine Networks has
 been buying.  The new ones are blue.

 Josh Luthman
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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:

> Thanks Josh,
>
> Any chance you could send the info on the tool you are using with
> them?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> 100% Shireen smartfeed connectors.  I think they made the tool, too.
>> It nearly eliminated our rj45/cat5 problems.  At least 99% resolved I'd 
>> say.
>>
>> We tried Arc/Ubnt/Netonix in the past.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:06 PM Carl Peterson <
>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We currently use 2061 dies in regular crimp frames.  Debating buying
>>> new dies vs moving to something else.  Looking for something as 
>>> tech-proof
>>> as possible that doesn't rely on them knowing how much to squeeze.  Any
>>> favorites out there?  Any favorites on Shielded RJ45s?  We currently use
>>> the Netonix ones.
>>>
>>> We have been seeing a lot more ethernet cabling issues as of late.
>>> Trying to figure out why that is and prevent it.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already

[Steve Jones]

what part of beta dont people understand? is it because general consumers
are getting beta and dont actually know what beta is? this is the same
reason we make people cut trees down now BEFORE we install. we used to just
install and tell them to cut it. but too many people complained about
exactly what we told them would happen happening.

I have faith in starlink, I think in 5 years it will be a whole other
landscape. Musk seems like one of those guys who thrives on detractors and
proving people wrong.

But regardless, beta is beta

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:15 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Ha...
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 3:42 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> Tin cans and string will be better than Hughes.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 3:20 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
>>
>> From your mouth to God's ears Chuck on Covid-19... unfortunately it's
>> going to take a step backwards in Texas..
>> I heard some ranchers near Big Bend want to switch from Hughes to
>> Starlink ...my friend does IT work for several of them... curious to see
>> how well it works.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:39 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>
>>> I think that they are going to find more than enough customers in hard
>>> to serve locations that they will not encroach on the better served areas
>>> too much.  I am always an optimist.  BTW, Covid will be done in a month...
>>>
>>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 3, 2021 9:50 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Starlink speeds dip already
>>>
>>> Starlink *BETA* . Maybe they're simulating load of a few hundred, or a
>>> thousand, customers on each bird to prepare for when it's actually busy.
>>> (based on the "20Gbps" capacity per sat)
>>>
>>> Considering the amount of effort and design that goes into such a
>>> massive and complex system, people should be thankful that it's working
>>> with a good-enough uptime right now.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Dev  wrote:
>>>
 Already hearing from folks who have the service that they’re seeing
 dips below 15Mbps, and this at light loads with few customers, we’ll see
 how this scales. Or doesn’t. Are others in different geographies seeing
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Steve Jones]

most of our aviat is xpic, no real issues to note. price is sketchy cheap,
i sometimes think that we arent actually buying from aviat and that ken
rupple just keeps stealing stuff off their trucks and selling it to us. I
dont care, best set of speakers i ever had came of the back of a truck. We
have 8 links we bought last year. we are running out of sites to put them
at.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:23 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:

> Whatever you end up with, make sure to pay attention to system gain. It is
> absolutely critical for modulations above 512 QAM..
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:19 PM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>
> 
> Aviat
>
> Our link is solid
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:02 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Ahh they can do two channel xpic with bridgewater?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>>
 I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's
 hard to beat Aviat.

 But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to
 double the capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, SIAE can
 do the same thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.

 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic
> channel available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from them
> going up soon.
>
> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come
>> close to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying multiple
>> radios.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio
>>> everyone is in love with?
>>>
>>> asking for a friend ;-)
>>>
>>> *Sean Heskett*
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Sean Heskett]

what is the user interface for aviat like?  i assume useable and easy since
a lot of you like them.  we are used to SAF which has been rock solid.

what speeds are the radios pushing in an 80Mhz channel pair?

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:54 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> most of our aviat is xpic, no real issues to note. price is sketchy cheap,
> i sometimes think that we arent actually buying from aviat and that ken
> rupple just keeps stealing stuff off their trucks and selling it to us. I
> dont care, best set of speakers i ever had came of the back of a truck. We
> have 8 links we bought last year. we are running out of sites to put them
> at.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:23 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
>> Whatever you end up with, make sure to pay attention to system gain. It
>> is absolutely critical for modulations above 512 QAM..
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:19 PM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Aviat
>>
>> Our link is solid
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:02 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> Ahh they can do two channel xpic with bridgewater?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>
 I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king?

 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's
> hard to beat Aviat.
>
> But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to
> double the capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, SIAE 
> can
> do the same thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic
>> channel available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from 
>> them
>> going up soon.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come
>>> close to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying multiple
>>> radios.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Hello,

 What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio
 everyone is in love with?

 asking for a friend ;-)

 *Sean Heskett*

 *ZIRKEL *
 *Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV*
 970-871-8500 x100 - Office
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[AFMUG] Starship 10

[Robert Andrews]

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Re: [AFMUG] Starship 10

[Bill Prince]

There did seem to be a lot of venting on the way up & down. It also looked
to me like it had a slight list to port when it was sitting on the landing
pad. One of the landing legs damaged?

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:09 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Landed and sat there for a few minutes pouring out fuel/oxidizer and
> then went BOOM
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Re: [AFMUG] Starship 10

[Robert]

If you watch the SpaceX video, it actually looked like there was a very 
slight bounce when it "landed"  They called it a soft landing but it 
looked just barely soft enough to not disassemble when it first touched 
down... Sure looked like a lot of fuel was left over...


On 3/3/21 4:29 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
There did seem to be a lot of venting on the way up & down. It also 
looked to me like it had a slight list to port when it was sitting on 
the landing pad. One of the landing legs damaged?


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On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:09 PM Robert Andrews > wrote:


Landed and sat there for a few minutes pouring out fuel/oxidizer and
then went BOOM

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Re: [AFMUG] Starship 10

[Jaime Solorza]

Technically Voyagers are the closest thing we have to starships.  They are
outside the influence of heliosphere...just saying

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 5:09 PM Robert Andrews  wrote:

> Landed and sat there for a few minutes pouring out fuel/oxidizer and
> then went BOOM
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Jason McKemie]

Yes, that threw me off for a while.

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Ahh they can do two channel xpic with bridgewater?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's
>>> hard to beat Aviat.
>>>
>>> But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to double
>>> the capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, SIAE can do the
>>> same thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic
 channel available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from them
 going up soon.

 On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come
> close to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying multiple
> radios.
>
> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio everyone
>> is in love with?
>>
>> asking for a friend ;-)
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Josh Baird]

The UI is very easy and functional. The networking config is dead simple.
 A bit slow, but it's being fixed in a new firmware.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 7:01 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> what is the user interface for aviat like?  i assume useable and easy
> since a lot of you like them.  we are used to SAF which has been rock solid.
>
> what speeds are the radios pushing in an 80Mhz channel pair?
>
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>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:54 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> most of our aviat is xpic, no real issues to note. price is sketchy
>> cheap, i sometimes think that we arent actually buying from aviat and that
>> ken rupple just keeps stealing stuff off their trucks and selling it to us.
>> I dont care, best set of speakers i ever had came of the back of a truck.
>> We have 8 links we bought last year. we are running out of sites to put
>> them at.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:23 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>>
>>> Whatever you end up with, make sure to pay attention to system gain. It
>>> is absolutely critical for modulations above 512 QAM..
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:19 PM, Darin Steffl 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Aviat
>>>
>>> Our link is solid
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:02 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>
 Ahh they can do two channel xpic with bridgewater?

 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's
>> hard to beat Aviat.
>>
>> But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to
>> double the capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, SIAE 
>> can
>> do the same thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic
>>> channel available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from 
>>> them
>>> going up soon.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can
 come close to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying 
 multiple
 radios.

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> everyone is in love with?
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Does it still have SNMP issues?

> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:36 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
> 
> The UI is very easy and functional. The networking config is dead simple.   A 
> bit slow, but it's being fixed in a new firmware.  
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 7:01 PM Sean Heskett  > wrote:
> what is the user interface for aviat like?  i assume useable and easy since a 
> lot of you like them.  we are used to SAF which has been rock solid.
> 
> what speeds are the radios pushing in an 80Mhz channel pair?
> 
> Sean Heskett
> 
> ZIRKEL 
> Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV
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> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:54 PM Steve Jones  > wrote:
> most of our aviat is xpic, no real issues to note. price is sketchy cheap, i 
> sometimes think that we arent actually buying from aviat and that ken rupple 
> just keeps stealing stuff off their trucks and selling it to us. I dont care, 
> best set of speakers i ever had came of the back of a truck. We have 8 links 
> we bought last year. we are running out of sites to put them at.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:23 PM Tim Hardy  > wrote:
> Whatever you end up with, make sure to pay attention to system gain. It is 
> absolutely critical for modulations above 512 QAM..
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:19 PM, Darin Steffl > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Aviat
>> 
>> Our link is solid
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:02 PM TJ Trout > > wrote:
>> Ahh they can do two channel xpic with bridgewater?
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM TJ Trout > > wrote:
>> I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king?
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard > > wrote:
>> I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's hard to 
>> beat Aviat. 
>> 
>> But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to double the 
>> capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, SIAE can do the same 
>> thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.
>> 
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie 
>> mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic channel 
>> available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from them going up 
>> soon.
>> 
>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie > > wrote:
>> If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come close 
>> to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying multiple radios.
>> 
>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett > > wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio everyone is in 
>> love with?
>> 
>> asking for a friend ;-) 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Joseph.Schraml]

SIAE has that capability with our ALFOPlus2XG radios. Change the branching unit 
from an OMT to a hybrid, and this radio can do ACCP,, i.e. 2xV or 2xH.



We also have many customers using these radios in a 4+0 configuration which 
yields almost 3 Gbps in two XPIC (2xV + 2xH) channels.



Not sure about costing a bit moreour radios are very competitive to the 
other dual-core radios on the market today.





Thanks,

 



 

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VP Sales Operations & Marketing

SIAE Microelettronica, Inc.

+1 (408) 832-4884

joseph.schr...@siaemic.com

www.siaemic.com




>>> Mathew Howard  3/3/2021 1:52 PM >>>

 

I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's hard to 
beat Aviat. 





But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to double the 
capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, SIAE can do the same 
thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.






On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie  
wrote:


I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic channel 
available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from them going up 
soon.

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie  
wrote:

If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come close to 
Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying multiple radios.

On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett  wrote:


Hello,



What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio everyone is in 
love with?




asking for a friend ;-) 







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Re: [AFMUG] Starship 10

[Steven Kenney]

They already are redesigning the landing legs. Personally I think they are 
terrible design and don't know how that thing actually did manage to land. 


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From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 8:28:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starship 10 

Technically Voyagers are the closest thing we have to starships. They are 
outside the influence of heliosphere...just saying 

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 5:09 PM Robert Andrews < [ mailto:i...@avantwireless.com | 
i...@avantwireless.com ] > wrote: 


Landed and sat there for a few minutes pouring out fuel/oxidizer and 
then went BOOM 

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Re: [AFMUG] Starship 10

[Bill Prince]

I think the first iterations through at least SN10 or SN11 were intended to
be expendable. From what I've read, they are skipping SN12-SN14, and SN15
will be an updated design.

We shall see. So far it's been entertaining for all of us teenagers that
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On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:56 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> They already are redesigning the landing legs.  Personally I think they
> are terrible design and don't know how that thing actually did manage to
> land.
>
>
> [image: logo] 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 3, 2021 8:28:14 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Starship 10
>
> Technically Voyagers are the closest thing we have to starships.  They are
> outside the influence of heliosphere...just saying
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 5:09 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> Landed and sat there for a few minutes pouring out fuel/oxidizer and
>> then went BOOM
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Starship 10

[Robert]

New formulation of Stainless..

On 3/3/21 6:00 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I think the first iterations through at least SN10 or SN11 were 
intended to be expendable. From what I've read, they are skipping 
SN12-SN14, and SN15 will be an updated design.


We shall see. So far it's been entertaining for all of us teenagers 
that like to see things blow up.


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On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:56 PM Steven Kenney > wrote:


They already are redesigning the landing legs. Personally I think
they are terrible design and don't know how that thing actually
did manage to land.


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*From: *"Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
*To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, March 3, 2021 8:28:14 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Starship 10

Technically Voyagers are the closest thing we have to starships. 
They are outside the influence of heliosphere...just saying

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 5:09 PM Robert Andrews
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

Landed and sat there for a few minutes pouring out
fuel/oxidizer and
then went BOOM

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[TJ Trout]

I think aviat is xpic king, but bridgewave may be able to do active two
channel xpic

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:47 PM  wrote:

> SIAE has that capability with our ALFOPlus2XG radios. Change the branching
> unit from an OMT to a hybrid, and this radio can do ACCP,, i.e. 2xV or 2xH.
>
> We also have many customers using these radios in a 4+0 configuration
> which yields almost 3 Gbps in two XPIC (2xV + 2xH) channels.
>
> Not sure about costing a bit moreour radios are very competitive to
> the other dual-core radios on the market today.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Joe Schraml
> VP Sales Operations & Marketing
> SIAE Microelettronica, Inc.
> +1 (408) 832-4884
> joseph.schr...@siaemic.com
> www.siaemic.com
>
> >>> Mathew Howard  3/3/2021 1:52 PM >>>
> I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's hard
> to beat Aviat.
>
> But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to double
> the capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, SIAE can do the
> same thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic
>> channel available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from them
>> going up soon.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come
>>> close to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying multiple
>>> radios.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 Hello,

 What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio everyone
 is in love with?

 asking for a friend ;-)

 *Sean Heskett*

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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Steve Jones]

It's like 10x faster in microsoft edge than in chrome, same with aviat
store.
You get 1.4 GB on 80 mhz. Comparable to the integra x. The latency is a
magnitude higher, about half a millisecond, almost negligible.
The interface is much more intuitive and user friendly than SAF, that's not
a SAF bash at all, we would still be running SAF and bought a ton of SAF
last year if Ken hadn't sold us all those radios of the truck so cheap.

No VAR channel is really something you need to be prepared for if you're
accustomed to it. It's not that they dont have decent sales, but it is a
self service design. You need to ask a lot of questions and the store is
getting better. It still has way too much stuff with no description. If the
third party stuff had mfg part numbers it would be better to be able to go
reference.
Doing the license stuff through commsearch directly is a learning
experience in itself, that was something the VAR handled for us before. But
it's worth learning anyway. I really didnt understand what I thought I did,
I thought we were licensing links. Nope, transmitters. It made it way
easier to comprehend when we had to sign off on bucking (I think that's
what they called it) we caused ourselves having so many links in proximity.

I still think SAF is a taller product by a pinch, aviat was close enough
that it came to cost and really nothing else.
It's also layer1 aggregation which is hawt, our integras and lumina were
not, that's a pita, but I believe integrax is


On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 7:37 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> The UI is very easy and functional. The networking config is dead simple.
>  A bit slow, but it's being fixed in a new firmware.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 7:01 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> what is the user interface for aviat like?  i assume useable and easy
>> since a lot of you like them.  we are used to SAF which has been rock solid.
>>
>> what speeds are the radios pushing in an 80Mhz channel pair?
>>
>> *Sean Heskett*
>>
>> *ZIRKEL *
>> *Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV*
>> 970-871-8500 x100 - Office
>> Website  | Facebook
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:54 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> most of our aviat is xpic, no real issues to note. price is sketchy
>>> cheap, i sometimes think that we arent actually buying from aviat and that
>>> ken rupple just keeps stealing stuff off their trucks and selling it to us.
>>> I dont care, best set of speakers i ever had came of the back of a truck.
>>> We have 8 links we bought last year. we are running out of sites to put
>>> them at.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:23 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>>>
 Whatever you end up with, make sure to pay attention to system gain. It
 is absolutely critical for modulations above 512 QAM..

 Sent from my iPad

 On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:19 PM, Darin Steffl 
 wrote:

 
 Aviat

 Our link is solid

 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:02 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> Ahh they can do two channel xpic with bridgewater?
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's
>>> hard to beat Aviat.
>>>
>>> But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to
>>> double the capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, SIAE 
>>> can
>>> do the same thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic
 channel available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from 
 them
 going up soon.

 On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can
> come close to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying 
> multiple
> radios.
>
> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio
>> everyone is in love with?
>>
>> asking for a friend ;-)
>>
>> *Sean Heskett*
>>
>> *ZIRKEL *
>> *Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV*
>> 970-871-8500 x100 - Office
>> Website  | Facebook
>> 
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Steve Jones]

A word of advice on the feature licensing is not to use the demo key. I
turned it on and forgot to apply  my actual keys, that's a fun suprise in
the middle of a day

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 8:52 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> I think aviat is xpic king, but bridgewave may be able to do active two
> channel xpic
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:47 PM  wrote:
>
>> SIAE has that capability with our ALFOPlus2XG radios. Change the
>> branching unit from an OMT to a hybrid, and this radio can do ACCP,, i.e.
>> 2xV or 2xH.
>>
>> We also have many customers using these radios in a 4+0 configuration
>> which yields almost 3 Gbps in two XPIC (2xV + 2xH) channels.
>>
>> Not sure about costing a bit moreour radios are very competitive to
>> the other dual-core radios on the market today.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Joe Schraml
>> VP Sales Operations & Marketing
>> SIAE Microelettronica, Inc.
>> +1 (408) 832-4884
>> joseph.schr...@siaemic.com
>> www.siaemic.com
>>
>> >>> Mathew Howard  3/3/2021 1:52 PM >>>
>> I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's hard
>> to beat Aviat.
>>
>> But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to double
>> the capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, SIAE can do the
>> same thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic
>>> channel available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from them
>>> going up soon.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come
 close to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying multiple
 radios.

 On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio everyone
> is in love with?
>
> asking for a friend ;-)
>
> *Sean Heskett*
>
> *ZIRKEL *
> *Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV*
> 970-871-8500 x100 - Office
> Website  | Facebook
> 
>
 --
>>> AF mailing list
>>> AF@af.afmug.com
>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[TJ Trout]

we just email Liz @ intelipath about where we need a link, she tells us
what's available, I can login and order a link on the aviat store in ten
minutes, I find the self service refreshing and the parts lists are very
easy to understand, they will display all of the matching antennas and
relevant accessories. I don't have anything bad to say.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 7:05 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> It's like 10x faster in microsoft edge than in chrome, same with aviat
> store.
> You get 1.4 GB on 80 mhz. Comparable to the integra x. The latency is a
> magnitude higher, about half a millisecond, almost negligible.
> The interface is much more intuitive and user friendly than SAF, that's
> not a SAF bash at all, we would still be running SAF and bought a ton of
> SAF last year if Ken hadn't sold us all those radios of the truck so cheap.
>
> No VAR channel is really something you need to be prepared for if you're
> accustomed to it. It's not that they dont have decent sales, but it is a
> self service design. You need to ask a lot of questions and the store is
> getting better. It still has way too much stuff with no description. If the
> third party stuff had mfg part numbers it would be better to be able to go
> reference.
> Doing the license stuff through commsearch directly is a learning
> experience in itself, that was something the VAR handled for us before. But
> it's worth learning anyway. I really didnt understand what I thought I did,
> I thought we were licensing links. Nope, transmitters. It made it way
> easier to comprehend when we had to sign off on bucking (I think that's
> what they called it) we caused ourselves having so many links in proximity.
>
> I still think SAF is a taller product by a pinch, aviat was close enough
> that it came to cost and really nothing else.
> It's also layer1 aggregation which is hawt, our integras and lumina were
> not, that's a pita, but I believe integrax is
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 7:37 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> The UI is very easy and functional. The networking config is dead
>> simple.   A bit slow, but it's being fixed in a new firmware.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 7:01 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> what is the user interface for aviat like?  i assume useable and easy
>>> since a lot of you like them.  we are used to SAF which has been rock solid.
>>>
>>> what speeds are the radios pushing in an 80Mhz channel pair?
>>>
>>> *Sean Heskett*
>>>
>>> *ZIRKEL *
>>> *Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV*
>>> 970-871-8500 x100 - Office
>>> Website  | Facebook
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:54 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 most of our aviat is xpic, no real issues to note. price is sketchy
 cheap, i sometimes think that we arent actually buying from aviat and that
 ken rupple just keeps stealing stuff off their trucks and selling it to us.
 I dont care, best set of speakers i ever had came of the back of a truck.
 We have 8 links we bought last year. we are running out of sites to put
 them at.

 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:23 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:

> Whatever you end up with, make sure to pay attention to system gain.
> It is absolutely critical for modulations above 512 QAM..
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:19 PM, Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Aviat
>
> Our link is solid
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:02 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Ahh they can do two channel xpic with bridgewater?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available,
 it's hard to beat Aviat.

 But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to
 double the capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, 
 SIAE can
 do the same thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.

 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic
> channel available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from 
> them
> going up soon.
>
> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can
>> come close to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying 
>> multiple
>> radios.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio
>>> everyone is in love with?
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Steve Jones]

Im.not complaining, I prefer the store, but if you're accustomed to var
doing all that stuff there is a curve, especially if theres an issue with a
path.
I call a var, I say I need a link from x coordinate to y coordinate, router
port to router port. I get back a quote. I approve the quote. I wait for my
gear. 2 calls or emails.

The difference is I have to wait on the VAR. The quote is only good for a
period. With self serve it's nice, run a path in their tool, meet my 9s,
export it and send it to commsearch. When they submit it I can order at
whim, including at 3am. I really like that. But it does take more steps. I
missed a detail on a copolar link, didnt realize at the time I needed a
coupler radio, not an OMT.
Went to prep the install and couldnt configure both channels. Got angry and
took it out on aviat.
Ultimately I had to submit an FCC modification since the model number
changed, that's somewhat pricey.

Difference here is the cost was all on me, through a VAR they would have
eaten the FCC cost. But the price difference with VAR markup would have
cost me more than the self service and the self correction.

This was a cluster because it wasnt a standard sub band so the new
equipment had to actually be built to order.

These are just some of the things that can happen without a VAR.

I really love the preterm fiber options though.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 9:09 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> we just email Liz @ intelipath about where we need a link, she tells us
> what's available, I can login and order a link on the aviat store in ten
> minutes, I find the self service refreshing and the parts lists are very
> easy to understand, they will display all of the matching antennas and
> relevant accessories. I don't have anything bad to say.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 7:05 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> It's like 10x faster in microsoft edge than in chrome, same with aviat
>> store.
>> You get 1.4 GB on 80 mhz. Comparable to the integra x. The latency is a
>> magnitude higher, about half a millisecond, almost negligible.
>> The interface is much more intuitive and user friendly than SAF, that's
>> not a SAF bash at all, we would still be running SAF and bought a ton of
>> SAF last year if Ken hadn't sold us all those radios of the truck so cheap.
>>
>> No VAR channel is really something you need to be prepared for if you're
>> accustomed to it. It's not that they dont have decent sales, but it is a
>> self service design. You need to ask a lot of questions and the store is
>> getting better. It still has way too much stuff with no description. If the
>> third party stuff had mfg part numbers it would be better to be able to go
>> reference.
>> Doing the license stuff through commsearch directly is a learning
>> experience in itself, that was something the VAR handled for us before. But
>> it's worth learning anyway. I really didnt understand what I thought I did,
>> I thought we were licensing links. Nope, transmitters. It made it way
>> easier to comprehend when we had to sign off on bucking (I think that's
>> what they called it) we caused ourselves having so many links in proximity.
>>
>> I still think SAF is a taller product by a pinch, aviat was close enough
>> that it came to cost and really nothing else.
>> It's also layer1 aggregation which is hawt, our integras and lumina were
>> not, that's a pita, but I believe integrax is
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 7:37 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> The UI is very easy and functional. The networking config is dead
>>> simple.   A bit slow, but it's being fixed in a new firmware.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 7:01 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
 what is the user interface for aviat like?  i assume useable and easy
 since a lot of you like them.  we are used to SAF which has been rock 
 solid.

 what speeds are the radios pushing in an 80Mhz channel pair?

 *Sean Heskett*

 *ZIRKEL *
 *Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV*
 970-871-8500 x100 - Office
 Website  | Facebook
 


 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:54 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> most of our aviat is xpic, no real issues to note. price is sketchy
> cheap, i sometimes think that we arent actually buying from aviat and that
> ken rupple just keeps stealing stuff off their trucks and selling it to 
> us.
> I dont care, best set of speakers i ever had came of the back of a truck.
> We have 8 links we bought last year. we are running out of sites to put
> them at.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:23 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
>> Whatever you end up with, make sure to pay attention to system gain.
>> It is absolutely critical for modulations above 512 QAM..
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:19 PM, Darin Steffl 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Aviat
>>
>> Our link is solid
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:02 PM TJ Trout 

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Darin Steffl]

You can always double check your order with Ken before placing it. I did
that and asked many questions to be sure I was ordering the right stuff.

I consider Ken to be the VAR for aviat being he works for them. He's very
responsive and helpful.

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 10:16 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> Im.not complaining, I prefer the store, but if you're accustomed to var
> doing all that stuff there is a curve, especially if theres an issue with a
> path.
> I call a var, I say I need a link from x coordinate to y coordinate,
> router port to router port. I get back a quote. I approve the quote. I wait
> for my gear. 2 calls or emails.
>
> The difference is I have to wait on the VAR. The quote is only good for a
> period. With self serve it's nice, run a path in their tool, meet my 9s,
> export it and send it to commsearch. When they submit it I can order at
> whim, including at 3am. I really like that. But it does take more steps. I
> missed a detail on a copolar link, didnt realize at the time I needed a
> coupler radio, not an OMT.
> Went to prep the install and couldnt configure both channels. Got angry
> and took it out on aviat.
> Ultimately I had to submit an FCC modification since the model number
> changed, that's somewhat pricey.
>
> Difference here is the cost was all on me, through a VAR they would have
> eaten the FCC cost. But the price difference with VAR markup would have
> cost me more than the self service and the self correction.
>
> This was a cluster because it wasnt a standard sub band so the new
> equipment had to actually be built to order.
>
> These are just some of the things that can happen without a VAR.
>
> I really love the preterm fiber options though.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 9:09 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> we just email Liz @ intelipath about where we need a link, she tells us
>> what's available, I can login and order a link on the aviat store in ten
>> minutes, I find the self service refreshing and the parts lists are very
>> easy to understand, they will display all of the matching antennas and
>> relevant accessories. I don't have anything bad to say.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 7:05 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's like 10x faster in microsoft edge than in chrome, same with aviat
>>> store.
>>> You get 1.4 GB on 80 mhz. Comparable to the integra x. The latency is a
>>> magnitude higher, about half a millisecond, almost negligible.
>>> The interface is much more intuitive and user friendly than SAF, that's
>>> not a SAF bash at all, we would still be running SAF and bought a ton of
>>> SAF last year if Ken hadn't sold us all those radios of the truck so cheap.
>>>
>>> No VAR channel is really something you need to be prepared for if you're
>>> accustomed to it. It's not that they dont have decent sales, but it is a
>>> self service design. You need to ask a lot of questions and the store is
>>> getting better. It still has way too much stuff with no description. If the
>>> third party stuff had mfg part numbers it would be better to be able to go
>>> reference.
>>> Doing the license stuff through commsearch directly is a learning
>>> experience in itself, that was something the VAR handled for us before. But
>>> it's worth learning anyway. I really didnt understand what I thought I did,
>>> I thought we were licensing links. Nope, transmitters. It made it way
>>> easier to comprehend when we had to sign off on bucking (I think that's
>>> what they called it) we caused ourselves having so many links in proximity.
>>>
>>> I still think SAF is a taller product by a pinch, aviat was close enough
>>> that it came to cost and really nothing else.
>>> It's also layer1 aggregation which is hawt, our integras and lumina were
>>> not, that's a pita, but I believe integrax is
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 7:37 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
 The UI is very easy and functional. The networking config is dead
 simple.   A bit slow, but it's being fixed in a new firmware.

 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 7:01 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> what is the user interface for aviat like?  i assume useable and easy
> since a lot of you like them.  we are used to SAF which has been rock 
> solid.
>
> what speeds are the radios pushing in an 80Mhz channel pair?
>
> *Sean Heskett*
>
> *ZIRKEL *
> *Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV*
> 970-871-8500 x100 - Office
> Website  | Facebook
> 
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:54 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> most of our aviat is xpic, no real issues to note. price is sketchy
>> cheap, i sometimes think that we arent actually buying from aviat and 
>> that
>> ken rupple just keeps stealing stuff off their trucks and selling it to 
>> us.
>> I dont care, best set of speakers i ever had came of the back of a truck.
>> We have 8 links we bought last year. we are running out of sites to put
>> them a

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Steve Jones]

I did that in the beginning, I like that about them. But not a var, hence
the liability on me

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 11:35 PM Darin Steffl  wrote:

> You can always double check your order with Ken before placing it. I did
> that and asked many questions to be sure I was ordering the right stuff.
>
> I consider Ken to be the VAR for aviat being he works for them. He's very
> responsive and helpful.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 10:16 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Im.not complaining, I prefer the store, but if you're accustomed to var
>> doing all that stuff there is a curve, especially if theres an issue with a
>> path.
>> I call a var, I say I need a link from x coordinate to y coordinate,
>> router port to router port. I get back a quote. I approve the quote. I wait
>> for my gear. 2 calls or emails.
>>
>> The difference is I have to wait on the VAR. The quote is only good for a
>> period. With self serve it's nice, run a path in their tool, meet my 9s,
>> export it and send it to commsearch. When they submit it I can order at
>> whim, including at 3am. I really like that. But it does take more steps. I
>> missed a detail on a copolar link, didnt realize at the time I needed a
>> coupler radio, not an OMT.
>> Went to prep the install and couldnt configure both channels. Got angry
>> and took it out on aviat.
>> Ultimately I had to submit an FCC modification since the model number
>> changed, that's somewhat pricey.
>>
>> Difference here is the cost was all on me, through a VAR they would have
>> eaten the FCC cost. But the price difference with VAR markup would have
>> cost me more than the self service and the self correction.
>>
>> This was a cluster because it wasnt a standard sub band so the new
>> equipment had to actually be built to order.
>>
>> These are just some of the things that can happen without a VAR.
>>
>> I really love the preterm fiber options though.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 9:09 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> we just email Liz @ intelipath about where we need a link, she tells us
>>> what's available, I can login and order a link on the aviat store in ten
>>> minutes, I find the self service refreshing and the parts lists are very
>>> easy to understand, they will display all of the matching antennas and
>>> relevant accessories. I don't have anything bad to say.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 7:05 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It's like 10x faster in microsoft edge than in chrome, same with aviat
 store.
 You get 1.4 GB on 80 mhz. Comparable to the integra x. The latency is a
 magnitude higher, about half a millisecond, almost negligible.
 The interface is much more intuitive and user friendly than SAF, that's
 not a SAF bash at all, we would still be running SAF and bought a ton of
 SAF last year if Ken hadn't sold us all those radios of the truck so cheap.

 No VAR channel is really something you need to be prepared for if
 you're accustomed to it. It's not that they dont have decent sales, but it
 is a self service design. You need to ask a lot of questions and the store
 is getting better. It still has way too much stuff with no description. If
 the third party stuff had mfg part numbers it would be better to be able to
 go reference.
 Doing the license stuff through commsearch directly is a learning
 experience in itself, that was something the VAR handled for us before. But
 it's worth learning anyway. I really didnt understand what I thought I did,
 I thought we were licensing links. Nope, transmitters. It made it way
 easier to comprehend when we had to sign off on bucking (I think that's
 what they called it) we caused ourselves having so many links in proximity.

 I still think SAF is a taller product by a pinch, aviat was close
 enough that it came to cost and really nothing else.
 It's also layer1 aggregation which is hawt, our integras and lumina
 were not, that's a pita, but I believe integrax is


 On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 7:37 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> The UI is very easy and functional. The networking config is dead
> simple.   A bit slow, but it's being fixed in a new firmware.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 7:01 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> what is the user interface for aviat like?  i assume useable and easy
>> since a lot of you like them.  we are used to SAF which has been rock 
>> solid.
>>
>> what speeds are the radios pushing in an 80Mhz channel pair?
>>
>> *Sean Heskett*
>>
>> *ZIRKEL *
>> *Internet • WiFi • Phone • TV*
>> 970-871-8500 x100 - Office
>> Website  | Facebook
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:54 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> most of our aviat is xpic, no real issues to note. price is sketchy
>>> cheap, i sometimes think that we arent actually buying from aviat and 
>>> that
>>>