date:20210406

That's some serious geek stuff

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 2:10 PM Jason McKemie 
wrote:

> I always loved the error message:
>
> Unauthorized (401)
> Through a series of highly sophisticated and complex algorithms, this
> system has determined that you are not presently authorized to use this
> system function. It could be that you simply mistyped a password, or, it
> could be that you are some sort of interplanetary alien-being that has no
> hands and, thus, cannot type. If I were a gambler, I would bet that a cat
> (an orange tabby named Sierra or Harley) somehow jumped onto your keyboard
> and forgot some of the more important pointers from those typing lessons
> you paid for. Based on the actual error encountered, I would guess that the
> feline in question simply forgot to place one or both paws on the
> appropriate home keys before starting. Then again, I suppose it could have
> been a keyboard error caused by some form of cosmic radiation; this would
> fit nicely with my interplanetary alien-being theory. If you think this
> might be the cause, perhaps you could create some sort of underground
> bunker to help shield yourself from it. I don’t know that it will work,
> but, you will probably feel better if you try something.
>
> On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> “Early software releases were given old testament biblical names. Obidiah
>> firmware ran on board P5 or P6. Nahum was in some field beta units on P6 or
>> P7 hardware. One wonders if there was a Jonah and Micah in between those
>> releases and a Joel and Amos before. It is believed that Nahum was the last
>> "named" release with numbered releases following. Generally available units
>> were shipped with software in the 3.x.x range. (Is this correct, someone
>> check this if possible, I am guessing).
>>
>> It is certain that Nahum was shipping as of Sept 2002; Don Lashier of
>> newportnet.com reports on part-15.org the following:
>>
>> "Our initial deployment was Sept 2002, Nahum iirc. Oldest msg from this
>> list in my save folder is also from David K, 9/12/2002 re comroestudios
>> (whispermaper?).”
>>
>>
>>
>> From: http://wisptech.com/index.php?title=Unofficial_History_of_Canopy
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:55 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>>
>> Software Version CANOPY Nahum(SP3) Feb 15 2002 18:09:24
>>
>> Seems like there were some other biblical named releases too.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:48 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>>
>> Yep, 2002 summer I think.
>>
>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:31 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>>
>>
>> Nahum boards?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 2:29 PM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>>
>> I thought they shipped P7 and P8 boards?
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Naw, it was in full production 2003, beta the summer of 2002 in my
>> memory.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:10 PM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>>
>>
>>
>> I think Canopy originally shipped in 2001..
>>
>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cambium_Networks#Early_questions
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> So early 2000 ... memory is fading
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:40 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Canopy
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino* *Villarini *
>> Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. aeronet-logo]
>> 
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. inc500]
>> 
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender. fb-logo]
>> 
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

Isnt that crazy? I wish they did the right thing and let the fbi pedo
patrol take a peek at that user list and ip access list

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 12:38 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

>
> https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/rapper-bhad-bhabie-1-million-onlyfans-debut-six-hours
>
> >$23.99 per month for access to exclusive photos and videos on her
> OnlyFans page
>
> Holy shit.  That's 42k people in 6 hours.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> So, what does a subscriber to her channel get?  Does she sing or get
>> naked or what?
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>>
>> So,anybody see the cashmeoutside girl made a million bucks on onlyfans
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 9:44 AM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree the 2 and 3 mask clown show is just that.. a clown show.. I'm
>>> not sure why we are doing that.
>>>
>>> On 4/6/21 10:29 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>>> > By all means take any precaution you wish.  People at risk should.
>>> But
>>> > don't impose your beliefs on others.  If you see a non mask wearer -
>>> > stay away from them.  Go ahead and live your life in fear.  The way
>>> > things are going right now, this will never end.   We tried your way,
>>> it
>>> > didn't work, it didn't even make a dent on the numbers.  In fact it
>>> > bought the virus time to mutate and make things worse.
>>> >
>>> > First they said masks wouldn't work, you'd need a bare minimum of a
>>> N95
>>> > so don't bother.  Then they said wear the mask,  now you need to wear
>>> > 3.   This is a clown show.  It is time to try a different way.   The
>>> > quickest way to immunity and return to normal life.   If you do
>>> anything
>>> > that prolongs that from happening you are clearly advocating for big
>>> > pharma and the medical community to now be our new governing body.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> 
>>> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>>> > *To: *"af" 
>>> > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59:42 AM
>>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>>> >
>>> > The best cheese is that that is handed down to you
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 7:53 AM Matt Hoppes
>>> > >> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > And this is the issue I have with us humans... selfish.
>>> >
>>> > It's a year... maybe a year and a half.
>>> >
>>> > You're telling me you can't avoid going out to bars, out to eat,
>>> out in
>>> > large gatherings for a year and a half to help keep others from
>>> getting
>>> > infected?
>>> >
>>> > I'd argue there is a lot of evidence that masks and lock downs have
>>> > helped -- how can you spread if you aren't out seeing people?
>>> >
>>> > The issue comes because people say " yah... I'm at home don't
>>> cha
>>> > know" but they were out to dinner with a friend who was passing
>>> through
>>> > who they haven't seen in years and they went to church and sat
>>> next to
>>> > someone not in their immediate family.
>>> >
>>> > Do masks work?
>>> >
>>> > You tell me  I was talking 4  feet from my SIL who somehow got
>>> > COVID
>>> > and so far I have no symptoms.  This was 3 days before she shows
>>> > symptoms, so surely contagious by that point from what we know.
>>> >
>>> > We were both wearing masks.
>>> >
>>> > The cool thing about America is we can all do our own thing as
>>> long as
>>> > it doesn't harm others.
>>> >
>>> > I'll wear a mask and stay away from large gatherings until I think
>>> the
>>> > numbers show it's safe to do otherwise -- and you can run
>>> gangbusters
>>> > into the contagion.   We're adults and can make decisions for
>>> > ourselves.
>>> >Just don't come see me after you've done that, please.
>>> >
>>> > On 4/6/21 8:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>>> >  > Take that percentage into consideration the amount of people who
>>> >  > actually get it that die or have some lingering issues.  Not to
>>> > mention
>>> >  > there is little to no evidence or statistics that the masks or
>>> the
>>> >  > lockdowns have prevented or even hindered the spread.   It
>>> > certainly has
>>> >  > eliminated the regular flu and all other similar ailments!
>>> >  >
>>> >  > This is a situation  I think that we'll need to rip the bandaid
>>> > off and
>>> >  > go on with our lives.  Those who are at high risk should take
>>> >  > precautions.  The quicker we develop this immunity as a human
>>> > race,  the
>>> >  > better off we are in the long run.
>>> >  >
>>> >  > People here and relatives I've talked to all across North
>>> Americ

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

2021-04-06 Thread Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]

Even better!

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

BTW, the gaylord is not in Dallas county. It is in the far better Tarrant 
county.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
So, what does a subscriber to her channel get?  Does she sing or get naked or 
what?

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

So,anybody see the cashmeoutside girl made a million bucks on onlyfans

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 9:44 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
I agree the 2 and 3 mask clown show is just that.. a clown show.. I'm
not sure why we are doing that.

On 4/6/21 10:29 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> By all means take any precaution you wish.  People at risk should.  But
> don't impose your beliefs on others.  If you see a non mask wearer -
> stay away from them.  Go ahead and live your life in fear.  The way
> things are going right now, this will never end.   We tried your way, it
> didn't work, it didn't even make a dent on the numbers.  In fact it
> bought the virus time to mutate and make things worse.
>
> First they said masks wouldn't work, you'd need a bare minimum of a N95
> so don't bother.  Then they said wear the mask,  now you need to wear
> 3.   This is a clown show.  It is time to try a different way.   The
> quickest way to immunity and return to normal life.   If you do anything
> that prolongs that from happening you are clearly advocating for big
> pharma and the medical community to now be our new governing body.
>
> 
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
> *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59:42 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>
> The best cheese is that that is handed down to you
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 7:53 AM Matt Hoppes
> mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net%20%0b>> 
> wrote:
>
> And this is the issue I have with us humans... selfish.
>
> It's a year... maybe a year and a half.
>
> You're telling me you can't avoid going out to bars, out to eat, out in
> large gatherings for a year and a half to help keep others from getting
> infected?
>
> I'd argue there is a lot of evidence that masks and lock downs have
> helped -- how can you spread if you aren't out seeing people?
>
> The issue comes because people say " yah... I'm at home don't cha
> know" but they were out to dinner with a friend who was passing through
> who they haven't seen in years and they went to church and sat next to
> someone not in their immediate family.
>
> Do masks work?
>
> You tell me  I was talking 4  feet from my SIL who somehow got
> COVID
> and so far I have no symptoms.  This was 3 days before she shows
> symptoms, so surely contagious by that point from what we know.
>
> We were both wearing masks.
>
> The cool thing about America is we can all do our own thing as long as
> it doesn't harm others.
>
> I'll wear a mask and stay away from large gatherings until I think the
> numbers show it's safe to do otherwise -- and you can run gangbusters
> into the contagion.   We're adults and can make decisions for
> ourselves.
>Just don't come see me after you've done that, please.
>
> On 4/6/21 8:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>  > Take that percentage into consideration the amount of people who
>  > actually get it that die or have some lingering issues.  Not to
> mention
>  > there is little to no evidence or statistics that the masks or the
>  > lockdowns have prevented or even hindered the spread.   It
> certainly has
>  > eliminated the regular flu and all other similar ailments!
>  >
>  > This is a situation  I think that we'll need to rip the bandaid
> off and
>  > go on with our lives.  Those who are at high risk should take
>  > precautions.  The quicker we develop this immunity as a human
> race,  the
>  > better off we are in the long run.
>  >
>  > People here and relatives I've talked to all across North America
> are
>  > all fed up and had enough of this nonsense.  It is only a matter
> of time
>  > before people stop abiding and it will take some serious orwellian
>  > jackboots to get people to "conform".   The kool aid is running
> out and
>  > we'll start to see more and more states start going the way of Texas.
>  >
>  > Disclaimer:  It is a nasty and deadly cold and people should take
>  > precautions to protect themselves.
>  >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

2021-04-06 Thread dave

At least the days of computer manufactures making everything proprietary 
is no longer a thing :)

Except  Apple --LOL


On 4/6/21 2:19 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
The canopy crew was much more fun back in those days. They would 
invite me to Schaumberg and visit with the engineers.  Show them my 
stinger prototypes etc.  They gave me canvas software to do special 
things in the transmitter and even let me do FCC type approval work 
alongside them in the same labs.  Things were great.  Tom Hulsebosch 
and the other Tom (Gruba?) were super great at working with the 
channel partners and fanning all the flames.
Chuck Macenski would stick his neck out time and time again to help 
everyone.
Then, I can only presume, someone in Mot HQ decided to step in and 
“help” this group of “loose cannons” turn things into a proper 
Motorola division or something.  I only know that once Tom and Tom 
were gone I got bupkis by the way of support and collaboration.  I 
could name a couple of guys that actively worked against me.  Hope 
karma bit them in the balls eventually.

*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 1:09 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
I always loved the error message:
Unauthorized (401)
Through a series of highly sophisticated and complex algorithms, this 
system has determined that you are not presently authorized to use 
this system function. It could be that you simply mistyped a password, 
or, it could be that you are some sort of interplanetary alien-being 
that has no hands and, thus, cannot type. If I were a gambler, I would 
bet that a cat (an orange tabby named Sierra or Harley) somehow jumped 
onto your keyboard and forgot some of the more important pointers from 
those typing lessons you paid for. Based on the actual error 
encountered, I would guess that the feline in question simply forgot 
to place one or both paws on the appropriate home keys before 
starting. Then again, I suppose it could have been a keyboard error 
caused by some form of cosmic radiation; this would fit nicely with my 
interplanetary alien-being theory. If you think this might be the 
cause, perhaps you could create some sort of underground bunker to 
help shield yourself from it. I don’t know that it will work, but, you 
will probably feel better if you try something.


On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

“Early software releases were given old testament biblical names.
Obidiah firmware ran on board P5 or P6. Nahum was in some field
beta units on P6 or P7 hardware. One wonders if there was a Jonah
and Micah in between those releases and a Joel and Amos before. It
is believed that Nahum was the last "named" release with numbered
releases following. Generally available units were shipped with
software in the 3.x.x range. (Is this correct, someone check this
if possible, I am guessing).

It is certain that Nahum was shipping as of Sept 2002; Don Lashier
of newportnet.com  reports on part-15.org
 the following:

"Our initial deployment was Sept 2002, Nahum iirc. Oldest msg from
this list in my save folder is also from David K, 9/12/2002 re
comroestudios (whispermaper?).”

From:
http://wisptech.com/index.php?title=Unofficial_History_of_Canopy


*From:* Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:55 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
Software Version CANOPY Nahum(SP3) Feb 15 2002 18:09:24
Seems like there were some other biblical named releases too.
*From:* Chuck McCown via AF
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:48 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Cc:* Chuck McCown
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
Yep, 2002 summer I think.
*From:* Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:31 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

Nahum boards?

*From: *AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman

*Date: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 2:29 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

I thought they shipped P7 and P8 boards?

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St


Suite 1337


Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

Naw, it was in full production 2003, beta the summer of 2002
in my memory.

*From:*Josh Luthman

*Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

2021-04-06 Thread dave


we got ours in 2003


On 4/6/21 1:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I think Canopy originally shipped in 2001..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cambium_Networks#Early_questions

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


So early 2000 ... memory is fading

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:40 AM Gino A. Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com>> wrote:

Canopy

*GinoVillarini
*Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204

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www.aeronetpr.com  | Metro Office
Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968

*From: *AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
*Date: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 12:33 PM
*To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

I found this picture from my old company days in the 1990s...i
can't remember if this was an TTI screen shot or what...any
one recognize it?

My suburban was equipped with all kinds of antennas back then...

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Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

The canopy crew was much more fun back in those days.  They would invite me to 
Schaumberg and visit with the engineers.  Show them my stinger prototypes etc.  
They gave me canvas software to do special things in the transmitter and even 
let me do FCC type approval work alongside them in the same labs.  Things were 
great.  Tom Hulsebosch and the other Tom (Gruba?) were super great at working 
with the channel partners and fanning all the flames.  

Chuck Macenski would stick his neck out time and time again to help everyone.

Then, I can only presume, someone in Mot HQ decided to step in and “help” this 
group of “loose cannons” turn things into a proper Motorola division or 
something.  I only know that once Tom and Tom were gone I got bupkis by the way 
of support and collaboration.  I could name a couple of guys that actively 
worked against me.  Hope karma bit them in the balls eventually.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 1:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

I always loved the error message: 

Unauthorized (401)
Through a series of highly sophisticated and complex algorithms, this system 
has determined that you are not presently authorized to use this system 
function. It could be that you simply mistyped a password, or, it could be that 
you are some sort of interplanetary alien-being that has no hands and, thus, 
cannot type. If I were a gambler, I would bet that a cat (an orange tabby named 
Sierra or Harley) somehow jumped onto your keyboard and forgot some of the more 
important pointers from those typing lessons you paid for. Based on the actual 
error encountered, I would guess that the feline in question simply forgot to 
place one or both paws on the appropriate home keys before starting. Then 
again, I suppose it could have been a keyboard error caused by some form of 
cosmic radiation; this would fit nicely with my interplanetary alien-being 
theory. If you think this might be the cause, perhaps you could create some 
sort of underground bunker to help shield yourself from it. I don’t know that 
it will work, but, you will probably feel better if you try something.

On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  “Early software releases were given old testament biblical names. Obidiah 
firmware ran on board P5 or P6. Nahum was in some field beta units on P6 or P7 
hardware. One wonders if there was a Jonah and Micah in between those releases 
and a Joel and Amos before. It is believed that Nahum was the last "named" 
release with numbered releases following. Generally available units were 
shipped with software in the 3.x.x range. (Is this correct, someone check this 
if possible, I am guessing).

  It is certain that Nahum was shipping as of Sept 2002; Don Lashier of 
newportnet.com reports on part-15.org the following:

  "Our initial deployment was Sept 2002, Nahum iirc. Oldest msg from this list 
in my save folder is also from David K, 9/12/2002 re comroestudios 
(whispermaper?).”



  From: http://wisptech.com/index.php?title=Unofficial_History_of_Canopy


  From: Chuck McCown via AF 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:55 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

  Software Version CANOPY Nahum(SP3) Feb 15 2002 18:09:24

  Seems like there were some other biblical named releases too.  

  From: Chuck McCown via AF 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:48 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Cc: Chuck McCown 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

  Yep, 2002 summer I think.  

  From: Gino A. Villarini 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:31 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

  Nahum boards? 



  From: AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman 

  Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 2:29 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

  I thought they shipped P7 and P8 boards?




  Josh Luthman
  24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373





  On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Naw, it was in full production 2003, beta the summer of 2002 in my memory.  



From: Josh Luthman 

Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:10 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school



I think Canopy originally shipped in 2001.. 



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cambium_Networks#Early_questions



Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373





On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  So early 2000 ... memory is fading



  On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:40 AM Gino A. Villarini  
wrote:

Canopy 



Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@

Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

2021-04-06 Thread Jason McKemie

I always loved the error message:

Unauthorized (401)
Through a series of highly sophisticated and complex algorithms, this
system has determined that you are not presently authorized to use this
system function. It could be that you simply mistyped a password, or, it
could be that you are some sort of interplanetary alien-being that has no
hands and, thus, cannot type. If I were a gambler, I would bet that a cat
(an orange tabby named Sierra or Harley) somehow jumped onto your keyboard
and forgot some of the more important pointers from those typing lessons
you paid for. Based on the actual error encountered, I would guess that the
feline in question simply forgot to place one or both paws on the
appropriate home keys before starting. Then again, I suppose it could have
been a keyboard error caused by some form of cosmic radiation; this would
fit nicely with my interplanetary alien-being theory. If you think this
might be the cause, perhaps you could create some sort of underground
bunker to help shield yourself from it. I don’t know that it will work,
but, you will probably feel better if you try something.

On Tuesday, April 6, 2021, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> “Early software releases were given old testament biblical names. Obidiah
> firmware ran on board P5 or P6. Nahum was in some field beta units on P6 or
> P7 hardware. One wonders if there was a Jonah and Micah in between those
> releases and a Joel and Amos before. It is believed that Nahum was the last
> "named" release with numbered releases following. Generally available units
> were shipped with software in the 3.x.x range. (Is this correct, someone
> check this if possible, I am guessing).
>
> It is certain that Nahum was shipping as of Sept 2002; Don Lashier of
> newportnet.com reports on part-15.org the following:
>
> "Our initial deployment was Sept 2002, Nahum iirc. Oldest msg from this
> list in my save folder is also from David K, 9/12/2002 re comroestudios
> (whispermaper?).”
>
>
>
> From: http://wisptech.com/index.php?title=Unofficial_History_of_Canopy
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>
> Software Version CANOPY Nahum(SP3) Feb 15 2002 18:09:24
>
> Seems like there were some other biblical named releases too.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:48 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>
> Yep, 2002 summer I think.
>
> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:31 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>
>
> Nahum boards?
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 2:29 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>
> I thought they shipped P7 and P8 boards?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
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>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Naw, it was in full production 2003, beta the summer of 2002 in my
> memory.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:10 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>
>
>
> I think Canopy originally shipped in 2001..
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cambium_Networks#Early_questions
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> So early 2000 ... memory is fading
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:40 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> Canopy
>
>
>
> *Gino* *Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

“Early software releases were given old testament biblical names. Obidiah 
firmware ran on board P5 or P6. Nahum was in some field beta units on P6 or P7 
hardware. One wonders if there was a Jonah and Micah in between those releases 
and a Joel and Amos before. It is believed that Nahum was the last "named" 
release with numbered releases following. Generally available units were 
shipped with software in the 3.x.x range. (Is this correct, someone check this 
if possible, I am guessing).

It is certain that Nahum was shipping as of Sept 2002; Don Lashier of 
newportnet.com reports on part-15.org the following:

"Our initial deployment was Sept 2002, Nahum iirc. Oldest msg from this list in 
my save folder is also from David K, 9/12/2002 re comroestudios 
(whispermaper?).”



From: http://wisptech.com/index.php?title=Unofficial_History_of_Canopy


From: Chuck McCown via AF 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:55 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

Software Version CANOPY Nahum(SP3) Feb 15 2002 18:09:24

Seems like there were some other biblical named releases too.  

From: Chuck McCown via AF 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

Yep, 2002 summer I think.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

Nahum boards? 

 

From: AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman 

Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 2:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

I thought they shipped P7 and P8 boards?


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Naw, it was in full production 2003, beta the summer of 2002 in my memory.  

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:10 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

   

  I think Canopy originally shipped in 2001.. 

   

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cambium_Networks#Early_questions

   

  Josh Luthman
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  Direct: 937-552-2343
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  On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

So early 2000 ... memory is fading

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:40 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

  Canopy 

   

  Gino Villarini 
  Founder/President
  @gvillarini
  t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 


   







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  From: AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza 

  Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 12:33 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

  I found this picture from my old company days in the 1990s...i can't 
remember if this was an TTI screen shot or what...any one recognize it? 

  My suburban was equipped with all kinds of antennas back then...

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Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

Software Version CANOPY Nahum(SP3) Feb 15 2002 18:09:24

Seems like there were some other biblical named releases too.  

From: Chuck McCown via AF 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

Yep, 2002 summer I think.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

Nahum boards? 

 

From: AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman 

Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 2:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

I thought they shipped P7 and P8 boards?


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Naw, it was in full production 2003, beta the summer of 2002 in my memory.  

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:10 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

   

  I think Canopy originally shipped in 2001.. 

   

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cambium_Networks#Early_questions

   

  Josh Luthman
  24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

   

  On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

So early 2000 ... memory is fading

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:40 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

  Canopy 

   

  Gino Villarini 
  Founder/President
  @gvillarini
  t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 


   







  www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 

  From: AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza 

  Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 12:33 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

  I found this picture from my old company days in the 1990s...i can't 
remember if this was an TTI screen shot or what...any one recognize it? 

  My suburban was equipped with all kinds of antennas back then...

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Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

The other Chuck could tell us exactly.  

From: Chuck McCown via AF 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:48 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

Yep, 2002 summer I think.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

Nahum boards? 

 

From: AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman 

Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 2:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

I thought they shipped P7 and P8 boards?


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Naw, it was in full production 2003, beta the summer of 2002 in my memory.  

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:10 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

   

  I think Canopy originally shipped in 2001.. 

   

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cambium_Networks#Early_questions

   

  Josh Luthman
  24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
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  On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

So early 2000 ... memory is fading

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:40 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

  Canopy 

   

  Gino Villarini 
  Founder/President
  @gvillarini
  t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 


   







  www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 

  From: AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza 

  Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 12:33 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

  I found this picture from my old company days in the 1990s...i can't 
remember if this was an TTI screen shot or what...any one recognize it? 

  My suburban was equipped with all kinds of antennas back then...

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Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

Yep, 2002 summer I think.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

Nahum boards? 

 

From: AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman 

Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 2:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

I thought they shipped P7 and P8 boards?


 

Josh Luthman
24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Naw, it was in full production 2003, beta the summer of 2002 in my memory.  

   

  From: Josh Luthman 

  Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:10 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

   

  I think Canopy originally shipped in 2001.. 

   

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cambium_Networks#Early_questions

   

  Josh Luthman
  24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
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  Troy, OH 45373

   

   

  On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

So early 2000 ... memory is fading

 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:40 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

  Canopy 

   

  Gino Villarini 
  Founder/President
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  t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 


   







  www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968 

  From: AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza 

  Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 12:33 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

  I found this picture from my old company days in the 1990s...i can't 
remember if this was an TTI screen shot or what...any one recognize it? 

  My suburban was equipped with all kinds of antennas back then...

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Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

I saw an original Canopy and dish on a roof the other day...no Ethernet
cableit was weather faded but looked intact.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 12:32 PM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Nahum boards?
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 2:29 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>
> I thought they shipped P7 and P8 boards?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Naw, it was in full production 2003, beta the summer of 2002 in my
> memory.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:10 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>
>
>
> I think Canopy originally shipped in 2001..
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cambium_Networks#Early_questions
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> So early 2000 ... memory is fading
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:40 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
> Canopy
>
>
>
> *Gino* *Villarini *
> Founder/President
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> *Date: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 12:33 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>
> I found this picture from my old company days in the 1990s...i can't
> remember if this was an TTI screen shot or what...any one recognize it?
>
> My suburban was equipped with all kinds of antennas back then...
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Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

2021-04-06 Thread Gino A. Villarini

Nahum boards?

From: AF  on behalf of Josh Luthman 

Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 2:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
I thought they shipped P7 and P8 boards?

Josh Luthman
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On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Naw, it was in full production 2003, beta the summer of 2002 in my memory.

From: Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

I think Canopy originally shipped in 2001..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cambium_Networks#Early_questions

Josh Luthman
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On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:
So early 2000 ... memory is fading

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:40 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
Canopy

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Subject: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
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Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

I thought they shipped P7 and P8 boards?

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On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Naw, it was in full production 2003, beta the summer of 2002 in my
> memory.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:10 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>
> I think Canopy originally shipped in 2001..
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cambium_Networks#Early_questions
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> So early 2000 ... memory is fading
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:40 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Canopy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino*
>>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>>> @gvillarini
>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>> [image: aeronet-logo]  [image: inc500]
>>>  [image: fb-logo]
>>>   [image: insta-logo]
>>>   [image: in-logo]
>>>   [image:
>>> tw-logo]
>>> 
>>>   [image: yt-logo]
>>> 
>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 12:33 PM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>>>
>>> I found this picture from my old company days in the 1990s...i can't
>>> remember if this was an TTI screen shot or what...any one recognize it?
>>>
>>> My suburban was equipped with all kinds of antennas back then...
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

I think i posted having to wear safety glasses and armed with can of wasp
spray on a tower in San Angelo, Texas because of nest near an 11GHz dish
and parent Birdy birds flying angrily at me..

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 12:07 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Always nice to have giddy regulatory authorities than pissy ones.
>
> *From:* Aeron Wireless
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers
>
> Update: Just heard from the DNR. An egg-less nest is not protected.
> However, they encourage you not to remove the nest unless there are no
> other options. Once the nest is active (with egg or young birds) then there
> are restrictions on climbing. Restrictions are based on what stage the
> egg/birds are in. This stage may require permits as well - we didn't get
> into that. This DNR biologist wants a max disruption of 2 hours during the
> active nest stage. So she encourages spreading the work out over weeks with
> short periods on the tower.
> So I will be climbing ASAP. During my work, I'll install a camera pointing
> at the nest so we know exactly what stage the nest is in. Plus a camera is
> a nice gesture to the DNR, one they are giddy about.
> Once I got a hold of the DNR biologist, they were very helpful and
> accommodating.
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:45 AM James Howard  wrote:
>
>> I was out chatting with the farmer at one of our tower sites on a grain
>> leg about a week ago and he told me that he had a pair of Ospreys build a
>> nest on the top of the leg last year.  He said he called a friend of his at
>> the DNR and talked to him about it.  The DNR guy said that if there are no
>> eggs he was fine to tear it down but if there are eggs he needed to wait
>> till they hatched and left before tearing it down.  He had his nephew climb
>> up and there was an egg but the egg had a hole in it so they took pictures
>> and sent to the DNR.  The DNR said that the birds often puncture their own
>> eggs trying to move them around in the nest but since that was the only egg
>> in the nest he was fine to take the whole nest down.  He said he threw it
>> all off and put an orange cone up there which has kept them off so far.
>> As mentioned earlier, there are federal and state regulations so your
>> mileage may vary depending on how your state (or possibly even who you talk
>> to at the state).
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 2, 2021 10:51 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers
>>
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't want it coming after me even if I were on the ground let alone
>> a ladder!  Most birds will defend their nest.  Get an outdoor speaker,
>> mount it as close as you can get it to the nest and play a looped recording
>> of a yapping chihuahua.  Birds don't stay around where they can't listen
>> and talk to each other, even anti-social ones like raptors I think wouldn't
>> like it.  These are a world-wide species, why is it protected?
>>
>> On 4/2/21 7:15 AM, Aeron Wireless wrote:
>>
>> I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are
>> building a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a
>> protected bird, I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I
>> have an email into the state DNR but no response yesterday and today being
>> a gov holiday I don't expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out
>> here. I need to mount a few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but
>> am holding off to hear definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.
>>
>>
>>
>> Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing can
>> be done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small private owner,
>> not one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring below the platform
>> with the nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the
>> tower?
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

2021-04-06 Thread Robert Andrews


& hopefully not just the DNR gets to watch it!

On 04/06/2021 11:06 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Always nice to have giddy regulatory authorities than pissy ones.
*From:* Aeron Wireless
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:00 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers
Update: Just heard from the DNR. An egg-less nest is not protected. 
However, they encourage you not to remove the nest unless there are no 
other options. Once the nest is active (with egg or young birds) then 
there are restrictions on climbing. Restrictions are based on what stage 
the egg/birds are in. This stage may require permits as well - we didn't 
get into that. This DNR biologist wants a max disruption of 2 hours 
during the active nest stage. So she encourages spreading the work out 
over weeks with short periods on the tower.
So I will be climbing ASAP. During my work, I'll install a camera 
pointing at the nest so we know exactly what stage the nest is in. Plus 
a camera is a nice gesture to the DNR, one they are giddy about.
Once I got a hold of the DNR biologist, they were very helpful and 
accommodating.

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:45 AM James Howard  wrote:

I was out chatting with the farmer at one of our tower sites on a
grain leg about a week ago and he told me that he had a pair of
Ospreys build a nest on the top of the leg last year.  He said he
called a friend of his at the DNR and talked to him about it.  The
DNR guy said that if there are no eggs he was fine to tear it down
but if there are eggs he needed to wait till they hatched and left
before tearing it down.  He had his nephew climb up and there was an
egg but the egg had a hole in it so they took pictures and sent to
the DNR.  The DNR said that the birds often puncture their own eggs
trying to move them around in the nest but since that was the only
egg in the nest he was fine to take the whole nest down.  He said he
threw it all off and put an orange cone up there which has kept them
off so far.   As mentioned earlier, there are federal and state
regulations so your mileage may vary depending on how your state (or
possibly even who you talk to at the state).



*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs
*Sent:* Friday, April 2, 2021 10:51 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers





I wouldn't want it coming after me even if I were on the ground let
alone a ladder!  Most birds will defend their nest.  Get an outdoor
speaker, mount it as close as you can get it to the nest and play a
looped recording of a yapping chihuahua.  Birds don't stay around
where they can't listen and talk to each other, even anti-social
ones like raptors I think wouldn't like it.  These are a world-wide
species, why is it protected? 

On 4/2/21 7:15 AM, Aeron Wireless wrote:

I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that
Ospreys are building a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying
that because it's a protected bird, I can't climb the tower
until they leave in the fall. I have an email into the state DNR
but no response yesterday and today being a gov holiday I don't
expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out here. I
need to mount a few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today,
but am holding off to hear definitively. This is the main tower
for my WISP. 



Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that
climbing can be done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner
(a small private owner, not one of the big three) who suggested
adding a ring below the platform with the nest for the new PTPs.
Can this be done with the birds on the tower?



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Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

Naw, it was in full production 2003, beta the summer of 2002 in my memory.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:10 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

I think Canopy originally shipped in 2001.. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cambium_Networks#Early_questions

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On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  So early 2000 ... memory is fading

  On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:40 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

Canopy 



Gino Villarini 
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From: AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza 

Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

I found this picture from my old company days in the 1990s...i can't 
remember if this was an TTI screen shot or what...any one recognize it? 

My suburban was equipped with all kinds of antennas back then...

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Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

I think Canopy originally shipped in 2001..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Cambium_Networks#Early_questions

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On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> So early 2000 ... memory is fading
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:40 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>
>> Canopy
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino*
>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>> [image: aeronet-logo]  [image: inc500]
>>  [image: fb-logo]
>>   [image: insta-logo]
>>   [image: in-logo]
>>   [image:
>> tw-logo]
>> 
>>   [image: yt-logo]
>> 
>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 12:33 PM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>>
>> I found this picture from my old company days in the 1990s...i can't
>> remember if this was an TTI screen shot or what...any one recognize it?
>>
>> My suburban was equipped with all kinds of antennas back then...
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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

Always nice to have giddy regulatory authorities than pissy ones.  

From: Aeron Wireless 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 12:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

Update: Just heard from the DNR. An egg-less nest is not protected. However, 
they encourage you not to remove the nest unless there are no other options. 
Once the nest is active (with egg or young birds) then there are restrictions 
on climbing. Restrictions are based on what stage the egg/birds are in. This 
stage may require permits as well - we didn't get into that. This DNR biologist 
wants a max disruption of 2 hours during the active nest stage. So she 
encourages spreading the work out over weeks with short periods on the tower.
So I will be climbing ASAP. During my work, I'll install a camera pointing at 
the nest so we know exactly what stage the nest is in. Plus a camera is a nice 
gesture to the DNR, one they are giddy about.
Once I got a hold of the DNR biologist, they were very helpful and 
accommodating.

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:45 AM James Howard  wrote:

  I was out chatting with the farmer at one of our tower sites on a grain leg 
about a week ago and he told me that he had a pair of Ospreys build a nest on 
the top of the leg last year.  He said he called a friend of his at the DNR and 
talked to him about it.  The DNR guy said that if there are no eggs he was fine 
to tear it down but if there are eggs he needed to wait till they hatched and 
left before tearing it down.  He had his nephew climb up and there was an egg 
but the egg had a hole in it so they took pictures and sent to the DNR.  The 
DNR said that the birds often puncture their own eggs trying to move them 
around in the nest but since that was the only egg in the nest he was fine to 
take the whole nest down.  He said he threw it all off and put an orange cone 
up there which has kept them off so far.   As mentioned earlier, there are 
federal and state regulations so your mileage may vary depending on how your 
state (or possibly even who you talk to at the state).

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
  Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 10:51 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

  I wouldn't want it coming after me even if I were on the ground let alone a 
ladder!  Most birds will defend their nest.  Get an outdoor speaker, mount it 
as close as you can get it to the nest and play a looped recording of a yapping 
chihuahua.  Birds don't stay around where they can't listen and talk to each 
other, even anti-social ones like raptors I think wouldn't like it.  These are 
a world-wide species, why is it protected?  

  On 4/2/21 7:15 AM, Aeron Wireless wrote:

I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are 
building a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a 
protected bird, I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I have an 
email into the state DNR but no response yesterday and today being a gov 
holiday I don't expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out here. I 
need to mount a few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but am holding 
off to hear definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP. 

Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing can be 
done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small private owner, not 
one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring below the platform with the 
nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the tower?

Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers

2021-04-06 Thread Aeron Wireless

Update: Just heard from the DNR. An egg-less nest is not protected.
However, they encourage you not to remove the nest unless there are no
other options. Once the nest is active (with egg or young birds) then there
are restrictions on climbing. Restrictions are based on what stage the
egg/birds are in. This stage may require permits as well - we didn't get
into that. This DNR biologist wants a max disruption of 2 hours during the
active nest stage. So she encourages spreading the work out over weeks with
short periods on the tower.
So I will be climbing ASAP. During my work, I'll install a camera pointing
at the nest so we know exactly what stage the nest is in. Plus a camera is
a nice gesture to the DNR, one they are giddy about.
Once I got a hold of the DNR biologist, they were very helpful and
accommodating.

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:45 AM James Howard  wrote:

> I was out chatting with the farmer at one of our tower sites on a grain
> leg about a week ago and he told me that he had a pair of Ospreys build a
> nest on the top of the leg last year.  He said he called a friend of his at
> the DNR and talked to him about it.  The DNR guy said that if there are no
> eggs he was fine to tear it down but if there are eggs he needed to wait
> till they hatched and left before tearing it down.  He had his nephew climb
> up and there was an egg but the egg had a hole in it so they took pictures
> and sent to the DNR.  The DNR said that the birds often puncture their own
> eggs trying to move them around in the nest but since that was the only egg
> in the nest he was fine to take the whole nest down.  He said he threw it
> all off and put an orange cone up there which has kept them off so far.
> As mentioned earlier, there are federal and state regulations so your
> mileage may vary depending on how your state (or possibly even who you talk
> to at the state).
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Jan-GAMs
> *Sent:* Friday, April 2, 2021 10:51 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Osprey on towers
>
>
>
>  I wouldn't want it coming after me even if I were on the ground let alone
> a ladder!  Most birds will defend their nest.  Get an outdoor speaker,
> mount it as close as you can get it to the nest and play a looped recording
> of a yapping chihuahua.  Birds don't stay around where they can't listen
> and talk to each other, even anti-social ones like raptors I think wouldn't
> like it.  These are a world-wide species, why is it protected?
>
> On 4/2/21 7:15 AM, Aeron Wireless wrote:
>
> I got a call from a local DNR volunteer informing me that Ospreys are
> building a nest on my monopole platform. He's saying that because it's a
> protected bird, I can't climb the tower until they leave in the fall. I
> have an email into the state DNR but no response yesterday and today being
> a gov holiday I don't expect a response until next week. Kinda freaking out
> here. I need to mount a few PTP links. I was planning on a climb today, but
> am holding off to hear definitively. This is the main tower for my WISP.
>
>
>
> Google kung-fu led me to a NATE presentation that says that climbing can
> be done with precautions. Talked to the tower owner (a small private owner,
> not one of the big three) who suggested adding a ring below the platform
> with the nest for the new PTPs. Can this be done with the birds on the
> tower?
>
>
>
> Has anyone dealt with Ospreys before?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

So early 2000 ... memory is fading

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:40 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> Canopy
>
>
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> [image: aeronet-logo]  [image: inc500]
>  [image: fb-logo]
>   [image: insta-logo]
>   [image: in-logo]
>   [image:
> tw-logo]
> 
>   [image: yt-logo]
> 
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 12:33 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>
> I found this picture from my old company days in the 1990s...i can't
> remember if this was an TTI screen shot or what...any one recognize it?
>
> My suburban was equipped with all kinds of antennas back then...
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Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

Oh man...yes...the early ones...so not mid 1990s... thanks Gino

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 10:40 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

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> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
>
> I found this picture from my old company days in the 1990s...i can't
> remember if this was an TTI screen shot or what...any one recognize it?
>
> My suburban was equipped with all kinds of antennas back then...
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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

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On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 12:22 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> So, what does a subscriber to her channel get?  Does she sing or get naked
> or what?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>
> So,anybody see the cashmeoutside girl made a million bucks on onlyfans
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 9:44 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> I agree the 2 and 3 mask clown show is just that.. a clown show.. I'm
>> not sure why we are doing that.
>>
>> On 4/6/21 10:29 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>> > By all means take any precaution you wish.  People at risk should.  But
>> > don't impose your beliefs on others.  If you see a non mask wearer -
>> > stay away from them.  Go ahead and live your life in fear.  The way
>> > things are going right now, this will never end.   We tried your way,
>> it
>> > didn't work, it didn't even make a dent on the numbers.  In fact it
>> > bought the virus time to mutate and make things worse.
>> >
>> > First they said masks wouldn't work, you'd need a bare minimum of a N95
>> > so don't bother.  Then they said wear the mask,  now you need to wear
>> > 3.   This is a clown show.  It is time to try a different way.   The
>> > quickest way to immunity and return to normal life.   If you do
>> anything
>> > that prolongs that from happening you are clearly advocating for big
>> > pharma and the medical community to now be our new governing body.
>> >
>> > 
>> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> > *To: *"af" 
>> > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59:42 AM
>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>> >
>> > The best cheese is that that is handed down to you
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 7:53 AM Matt Hoppes
>> > > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > And this is the issue I have with us humans... selfish.
>> >
>> > It's a year... maybe a year and a half.
>> >
>> > You're telling me you can't avoid going out to bars, out to eat,
>> out in
>> > large gatherings for a year and a half to help keep others from
>> getting
>> > infected?
>> >
>> > I'd argue there is a lot of evidence that masks and lock downs have
>> > helped -- how can you spread if you aren't out seeing people?
>> >
>> > The issue comes because people say " yah... I'm at home don't
>> cha
>> > know" but they were out to dinner with a friend who was passing
>> through
>> > who they haven't seen in years and they went to church and sat next
>> to
>> > someone not in their immediate family.
>> >
>> > Do masks work?
>> >
>> > You tell me  I was talking 4  feet from my SIL who somehow got
>> > COVID
>> > and so far I have no symptoms.  This was 3 days before she shows
>> > symptoms, so surely contagious by that point from what we know.
>> >
>> > We were both wearing masks.
>> >
>> > The cool thing about America is we can all do our own thing as long
>> as
>> > it doesn't harm others.
>> >
>> > I'll wear a mask and stay away from large gatherings until I think
>> the
>> > numbers show it's safe to do otherwise -- and you can run
>> gangbusters
>> > into the contagion.   We're adults and can make decisions for
>> > ourselves.
>> >Just don't come see me after you've done that, please.
>> >
>> > On 4/6/21 8:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>> >  > Take that percentage into consideration the amount of people who
>> >  > actually get it that die or have some lingering issues.  Not to
>> > mention
>> >  > there is little to no evidence or statistics that the masks or
>> the
>> >  > lockdowns have prevented or even hindered the spread.   It
>> > certainly has
>> >  > eliminated the regular flu and all other similar ailments!
>> >  >
>> >  > This is a situation  I think that we'll need to rip the bandaid
>> > off and
>> >  > go on with our lives.  Those who are at high risk should take
>> >  > precautions.  The quicker we develop this immunity as a human
>> > race,  the
>> >  > better off we are in the long run.
>> >  >
>> >  > People here and relatives I've talked to all across North America
>> > are
>> >  > all fed up and had enough of this nonsense.  It is only a matter
>> > of time
>> >  > before people stop abiding and it will take some serious
>> orwellian
>> >  > jackboots to get people to "conform".   The kool aid is running
>> > out and
>> >  > we'll start to see more and more st

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

2021-04-06 Thread Cameron Crum

BTW, the gaylord is not in Dallas county. It is in the far better Tarrant
county.

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 11:22 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> So, what does a subscriber to her channel get?  Does she sing or get naked
> or what?
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>
> So,anybody see the cashmeoutside girl made a million bucks on onlyfans
>
> On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 9:44 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> I agree the 2 and 3 mask clown show is just that.. a clown show.. I'm
>> not sure why we are doing that.
>>
>> On 4/6/21 10:29 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>> > By all means take any precaution you wish.  People at risk should.  But
>> > don't impose your beliefs on others.  If you see a non mask wearer -
>> > stay away from them.  Go ahead and live your life in fear.  The way
>> > things are going right now, this will never end.   We tried your way,
>> it
>> > didn't work, it didn't even make a dent on the numbers.  In fact it
>> > bought the virus time to mutate and make things worse.
>> >
>> > First they said masks wouldn't work, you'd need a bare minimum of a N95
>> > so don't bother.  Then they said wear the mask,  now you need to wear
>> > 3.   This is a clown show.  It is time to try a different way.   The
>> > quickest way to immunity and return to normal life.   If you do
>> anything
>> > that prolongs that from happening you are clearly advocating for big
>> > pharma and the medical community to now be our new governing body.
>> >
>> > 
>> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> > *To: *"af" 
>> > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59:42 AM
>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
>> >
>> > The best cheese is that that is handed down to you
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 7:53 AM Matt Hoppes
>> > > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > And this is the issue I have with us humans... selfish.
>> >
>> > It's a year... maybe a year and a half.
>> >
>> > You're telling me you can't avoid going out to bars, out to eat,
>> out in
>> > large gatherings for a year and a half to help keep others from
>> getting
>> > infected?
>> >
>> > I'd argue there is a lot of evidence that masks and lock downs have
>> > helped -- how can you spread if you aren't out seeing people?
>> >
>> > The issue comes because people say " yah... I'm at home don't
>> cha
>> > know" but they were out to dinner with a friend who was passing
>> through
>> > who they haven't seen in years and they went to church and sat next
>> to
>> > someone not in their immediate family.
>> >
>> > Do masks work?
>> >
>> > You tell me  I was talking 4  feet from my SIL who somehow got
>> > COVID
>> > and so far I have no symptoms.  This was 3 days before she shows
>> > symptoms, so surely contagious by that point from what we know.
>> >
>> > We were both wearing masks.
>> >
>> > The cool thing about America is we can all do our own thing as long
>> as
>> > it doesn't harm others.
>> >
>> > I'll wear a mask and stay away from large gatherings until I think
>> the
>> > numbers show it's safe to do otherwise -- and you can run
>> gangbusters
>> > into the contagion.   We're adults and can make decisions for
>> > ourselves.
>> >Just don't come see me after you've done that, please.
>> >
>> > On 4/6/21 8:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>> >  > Take that percentage into consideration the amount of people who
>> >  > actually get it that die or have some lingering issues.  Not to
>> > mention
>> >  > there is little to no evidence or statistics that the masks or
>> the
>> >  > lockdowns have prevented or even hindered the spread.   It
>> > certainly has
>> >  > eliminated the regular flu and all other similar ailments!
>> >  >
>> >  > This is a situation  I think that we'll need to rip the bandaid
>> > off and
>> >  > go on with our lives.  Those who are at high risk should take
>> >  > precautions.  The quicker we develop this immunity as a human
>> > race,  the
>> >  > better off we are in the long run.
>> >  >
>> >  > People here and relatives I've talked to all across North America
>> > are
>> >  > all fed up and had enough of this nonsense.  It is only a matter
>> > of time
>> >  > before people stop abiding and it will take some serious
>> orwellian
>> >  > jackboots to get people to "conform".   The kool aid is running
>> > out and
>> >  > we'll start to see more and more states start going the way of
>> Texas.
>> >  >
>> >  > Disclaimer:  It is a nasty and deadly cold and people should take
>> >  > precautions to protect themselves.
>> >  >
>> >  >
>> >
>> -

Re: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school

2021-04-06 Thread Gino A. Villarini

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From: AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza 

Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 at 12:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Spectrum Analyzer...old school
I found this picture from my old company days in the 1990s...i can't remember 
if this was an TTI screen shot or what...any one recognize it?
My suburban was equipped with all kinds of antennas back then...
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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

So, what does a subscriber to her channel get?  Does she sing or get naked or 
what?

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

So,anybody see the cashmeoutside girl made a million bucks on onlyfans

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 9:44 AM Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

  I agree the 2 and 3 mask clown show is just that.. a clown show.. I'm 
  not sure why we are doing that.

  On 4/6/21 10:29 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
  > By all means take any precaution you wish.  People at risk should.  But 
  > don't impose your beliefs on others.  If you see a non mask wearer - 
  > stay away from them.  Go ahead and live your life in fear.  The way 
  > things are going right now, this will never end.   We tried your way, it 
  > didn't work, it didn't even make a dent on the numbers.  In fact it 
  > bought the virus time to mutate and make things worse.
  > 
  > First they said masks wouldn't work, you'd need a bare minimum of a N95 
  > so don't bother.  Then they said wear the mask,  now you need to wear 
  > 3.   This is a clown show.  It is time to try a different way.   The 
  > quickest way to immunity and return to normal life.   If you do anything 
  > that prolongs that from happening you are clearly advocating for big 
  > pharma and the medical community to now be our new governing body.
  > 
  > 
  > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
  > *To: *"af" 
  > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59:42 AM
  > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
  > 
  > The best cheese is that that is handed down to you
  > 
  > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 7:53 AM Matt Hoppes 
  >  > wrote:
  > 
  > And this is the issue I have with us humans... selfish.
  > 
  > It's a year... maybe a year and a half.
  > 
  > You're telling me you can't avoid going out to bars, out to eat, out in
  > large gatherings for a year and a half to help keep others from getting
  > infected?
  > 
  > I'd argue there is a lot of evidence that masks and lock downs have
  > helped -- how can you spread if you aren't out seeing people?
  > 
  > The issue comes because people say " yah... I'm at home don't cha
  > know" but they were out to dinner with a friend who was passing through
  > who they haven't seen in years and they went to church and sat next to
  > someone not in their immediate family.
  > 
  > Do masks work?
  > 
  > You tell me  I was talking 4  feet from my SIL who somehow got
  > COVID
  > and so far I have no symptoms.  This was 3 days before she shows
  > symptoms, so surely contagious by that point from what we know.
  > 
  > We were both wearing masks.
  > 
  > The cool thing about America is we can all do our own thing as long as
  > it doesn't harm others.
  > 
  > I'll wear a mask and stay away from large gatherings until I think the
  > numbers show it's safe to do otherwise -- and you can run gangbusters
  > into the contagion.   We're adults and can make decisions for
  > ourselves.
  >Just don't come see me after you've done that, please.
  > 
  > On 4/6/21 8:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
  >  > Take that percentage into consideration the amount of people who
  >  > actually get it that die or have some lingering issues.  Not to
  > mention
  >  > there is little to no evidence or statistics that the masks or the
  >  > lockdowns have prevented or even hindered the spread.   It
  > certainly has
  >  > eliminated the regular flu and all other similar ailments!
  >  >
  >  > This is a situation  I think that we'll need to rip the bandaid
  > off and
  >  > go on with our lives.  Those who are at high risk should take
  >  > precautions.  The quicker we develop this immunity as a human
  > race,  the
  >  > better off we are in the long run.
  >  >
  >  > People here and relatives I've talked to all across North America
  > are
  >  > all fed up and had enough of this nonsense.  It is only a matter
  > of time
  >  > before people stop abiding and it will take some serious orwellian
  >  > jackboots to get people to "conform".   The kool aid is running
  > out and
  >  > we'll start to see more and more states start going the way of Texas.
  >  >
  >  > Disclaimer:  It is a nasty and deadly cold and people should take
  >  > precautions to protect themselves.
  >  >
  >  >
  > 
  >  > *From: *"Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]"  >
  >  > *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>, "Josh
  > Luthman"  >
  >  > *Sent: *Monday, April 5, 2021 7:19:59 PM
  >  > *Subject: *Re: [A

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

So,anybody see the cashmeoutside girl made a million bucks on onlyfans

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 9:44 AM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> I agree the 2 and 3 mask clown show is just that.. a clown show.. I'm
> not sure why we are doing that.
>
> On 4/6/21 10:29 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> > By all means take any precaution you wish.  People at risk should.  But
> > don't impose your beliefs on others.  If you see a non mask wearer -
> > stay away from them.  Go ahead and live your life in fear.  The way
> > things are going right now, this will never end.   We tried your way, it
> > didn't work, it didn't even make a dent on the numbers.  In fact it
> > bought the virus time to mutate and make things worse.
> >
> > First they said masks wouldn't work, you'd need a bare minimum of a N95
> > so don't bother.  Then they said wear the mask,  now you need to wear
> > 3.   This is a clown show.  It is time to try a different way.   The
> > quickest way to immunity and return to normal life.   If you do anything
> > that prolongs that from happening you are clearly advocating for big
> > pharma and the medical community to now be our new governing body.
> >
> > 
> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> > *To: *"af" 
> > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59:42 AM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
> >
> > The best cheese is that that is handed down to you
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 7:53 AM Matt Hoppes
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> > And this is the issue I have with us humans... selfish.
> >
> > It's a year... maybe a year and a half.
> >
> > You're telling me you can't avoid going out to bars, out to eat, out
> in
> > large gatherings for a year and a half to help keep others from
> getting
> > infected?
> >
> > I'd argue there is a lot of evidence that masks and lock downs have
> > helped -- how can you spread if you aren't out seeing people?
> >
> > The issue comes because people say " yah... I'm at home don't cha
> > know" but they were out to dinner with a friend who was passing
> through
> > who they haven't seen in years and they went to church and sat next
> to
> > someone not in their immediate family.
> >
> > Do masks work?
> >
> > You tell me  I was talking 4  feet from my SIL who somehow got
> > COVID
> > and so far I have no symptoms.  This was 3 days before she shows
> > symptoms, so surely contagious by that point from what we know.
> >
> > We were both wearing masks.
> >
> > The cool thing about America is we can all do our own thing as long
> as
> > it doesn't harm others.
> >
> > I'll wear a mask and stay away from large gatherings until I think
> the
> > numbers show it's safe to do otherwise -- and you can run gangbusters
> > into the contagion.   We're adults and can make decisions for
> > ourselves.
> >Just don't come see me after you've done that, please.
> >
> > On 4/6/21 8:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> >  > Take that percentage into consideration the amount of people who
> >  > actually get it that die or have some lingering issues.  Not to
> > mention
> >  > there is little to no evidence or statistics that the masks or the
> >  > lockdowns have prevented or even hindered the spread.   It
> > certainly has
> >  > eliminated the regular flu and all other similar ailments!
> >  >
> >  > This is a situation  I think that we'll need to rip the bandaid
> > off and
> >  > go on with our lives.  Those who are at high risk should take
> >  > precautions.  The quicker we develop this immunity as a human
> > race,  the
> >  > better off we are in the long run.
> >  >
> >  > People here and relatives I've talked to all across North America
> > are
> >  > all fed up and had enough of this nonsense.  It is only a matter
> > of time
> >  > before people stop abiding and it will take some serious orwellian
> >  > jackboots to get people to "conform".   The kool aid is running
> > out and
> >  > we'll start to see more and more states start going the way of
> Texas.
> >  >
> >  > Disclaimer:  It is a nasty and deadly cold and people should take
> >  > precautions to protect themselves.
> >  >
> >  >
> >
>  
> >  > *From: *"Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]"  > >
> >  > *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>, "Josh
> > Luthman"  > >
> >  > *Sent: *Monday, April 5, 2021 7:19:59 PM
> >  > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
> >  >
> >  > Dallas county (2.6 million people) has 300 cases a day (as of
> > April 4th).
> >  >
> >  > Quick math says that’s 0.01% of the population has covid.
> >  >
> >

Re: [AFMUG] GPON through MUX?

One hell of a good graphic.  Thanks Mark.  

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 7:31 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GPON through MUX?

We do it.  It’s limited to a single splitter but works fine.   These are 
inexpensive fiberstore muxes: 

Mark

  On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:05 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

  Adam,
  GPON is 1310/1490. There are definitely ways to overlay DWDM. We
  overlay 1550 RF video over our GPON and it's probably a way wider
  signal than DWDM would be.

  On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:33 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

GPON is 1490 down and 1550 up

I've been using CWDM which overlaps that.  I hadn't looked at DWDM.

DWDM C band is 1525-1565 which would overlap.

DWDM L band is 1570-1625.so yeah I guess a DWDM MUX that only
touched L-Band might pass GPON through.  Maybe I've been looking at it
through the wrong lens.

On 4/2/2021 4:24 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

  Cant you just use a dwdm with expansion port? everything not in the dwdm 
range would get spit out the expansion port (gpon).

On Apr 2, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

Why isn't there a MUX that carries GPON on one port and then also 
allows me a few ethernet paths on other wavelengths?  I feel like this would be 
a really useful thing for people leasing dark fiber, so I can't fathom why it's 
not a commodity item.

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We do it.  It’s limited to a single splitter but works fine.   These are 
inexpensive fiberstore muxes:

Mark

> On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:05 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
> 
> Adam,
> GPON is 1310/1490. There are definitely ways to overlay DWDM. We
> overlay 1550 RF video over our GPON and it's probably a way wider
> signal than DWDM would be.
> 
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:33 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> 
>> GPON is 1490 down and 1550 up
>> 
>> I've been using CWDM which overlaps that.  I hadn't looked at DWDM.
>> 
>> DWDM C band is 1525-1565 which would overlap.
>> 
>> DWDM L band is 1570-1625.so yeah I guess a DWDM MUX that only
>> touched L-Band might pass GPON through.  Maybe I've been looking at it
>> through the wrong lens.
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/2/2021 4:24 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
>>> Cant you just use a dwdm with expansion port? everything not in the dwdm 
>>> range would get spit out the expansion port (gpon).
>>> 
 On Apr 2, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

 Why isn't there a MUX that carries GPON on one port and then also allows 
 me a few ethernet paths on other wavelengths?  I feel like this would be a 
 really useful thing for people leasing dark fiber, so I can't fathom why 
 it's not a commodity item.

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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

2021-04-06 Thread Robert

One point, there is no "time to mutate" False science begets false 
knowledge.   The virus mutates based upon number of copies made.   So 
higher infection rates ( Like getting everybody infected to reach herd 
immunity via infection ) produces more mutations, regardless of time 
frame.   And going that route in April of last year would have given us 
a host of mutations with no vaccine.   Yep you could have killed a full 
million by October on that route.   So don't mind if I ignore your 
"science" from here on out...
 The mask debacle was a mistake.   They should have trusted people 
with the truth, because they fought the battle against mask hoarders 
even with the false narrative.   They should have said even non-n95 
masks make a difference, BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT. Took research and 
rediscovering what they knew way back when to figure it out again.

On 4/6/21 7:29 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
By all means take any precaution you wish.  People at risk should.  
But don't impose your beliefs on others.  If you see a non mask wearer 
- stay away from them.  Go ahead and live your life in fear.  The way 
things are going right now, this will never end.   We tried your way, 
it didn't work, it didn't even make a dent on the numbers.  In fact it 
bought the virus time to mutate and make things worse.

First they said masks wouldn't work, you'd need a bare minimum of a 
N95 so don't bother.  Then they said wear the mask,  now you need to 
wear 3.   This is a clown show.  It is time to try a different way.  
 The quickest way to immunity and return to normal life.   If you do 
anything that prolongs that from happening you are clearly advocating 
for big pharma and the medical community to now be our new governing 
body.

*From: *"Steve Jones" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59:42 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

The best cheese is that that is handed down to you

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 7:53 AM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:

And this is the issue I have with us humans... selfish.

It's a year... maybe a year and a half.

You're telling me you can't avoid going out to bars, out to eat,
out in
large gatherings for a year and a half to help keep others from
getting
infected?

I'd argue there is a lot of evidence that masks and lock downs have
helped -- how can you spread if you aren't out seeing people?

The issue comes because people say " yah... I'm at home don't cha
know" but they were out to dinner with a friend who was passing
through
who they haven't seen in years and they went to church and sat
next to
someone not in their immediate family.

Do masks work?

You tell me  I was talking 4  feet from my SIL who somehow got
COVID
and so far I have no symptoms.  This was 3 days before she shows
symptoms, so surely contagious by that point from what we know.

We were both wearing masks.

The cool thing about America is we can all do our own thing as
long as
it doesn't harm others.

I'll wear a mask and stay away from large gatherings until I think
the
numbers show it's safe to do otherwise -- and you can run gangbusters
into the contagion.   We're adults and can make decisions for
ourselves.
  Just don't come see me after you've done that, please.

On 4/6/21 8:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> Take that percentage into consideration the amount of people who
> actually get it that die or have some lingering issues.  Not to
mention
> there is little to no evidence or statistics that the masks or the
> lockdowns have prevented or even hindered the spread.   It
certainly has
> eliminated the regular flu and all other similar ailments!
>
> This is a situation  I think that we'll need to rip the bandaid
off and
> go on with our lives.  Those who are at high risk should take
> precautions.  The quicker we develop this immunity as a human
race,  the
> better off we are in the long run.
>
> People here and relatives I've talked to all across North
America are
> all fed up and had enough of this nonsense.  It is only a matter
of time
> before people stop abiding and it will take some serious orwellian
> jackboots to get people to "conform".   The kool aid is running
out and
> we'll start to see more and more states start going the way of
Texas.
>
> Disclaimer:  It is a nasty and deadly cold and people should take
> precautions to protect themselves.
>
>

> *From: *"Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]" mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>>
> *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>, "Josh
Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
> *Sent: *Monday, April 5, 2021 7:19:5

Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

I agree the 2 and 3 mask clown show is just that.. a clown show.. I'm 
not sure why we are doing that.

On 4/6/21 10:29 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
By all means take any precaution you wish.  People at risk should.  But 
don't impose your beliefs on others.  If you see a non mask wearer - 
stay away from them.  Go ahead and live your life in fear.  The way 
things are going right now, this will never end.   We tried your way, it 
didn't work, it didn't even make a dent on the numbers.  In fact it 
bought the virus time to mutate and make things worse.

First they said masks wouldn't work, you'd need a bare minimum of a N95 
so don't bother.  Then they said wear the mask,  now you need to wear 
3.   This is a clown show.  It is time to try a different way.   The 
quickest way to immunity and return to normal life.   If you do anything 
that prolongs that from happening you are clearly advocating for big 
pharma and the medical community to now be our new governing body.

*From: *"Steve Jones" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59:42 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

The best cheese is that that is handed down to you

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 7:53 AM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:

And this is the issue I have with us humans... selfish.

It's a year... maybe a year and a half.

You're telling me you can't avoid going out to bars, out to eat, out in
large gatherings for a year and a half to help keep others from getting
infected?

I'd argue there is a lot of evidence that masks and lock downs have
helped -- how can you spread if you aren't out seeing people?

The issue comes because people say " yah... I'm at home don't cha
know" but they were out to dinner with a friend who was passing through
who they haven't seen in years and they went to church and sat next to
someone not in their immediate family.

Do masks work?

You tell me  I was talking 4  feet from my SIL who somehow got
COVID
and so far I have no symptoms.  This was 3 days before she shows
symptoms, so surely contagious by that point from what we know.

We were both wearing masks.

The cool thing about America is we can all do our own thing as long as
it doesn't harm others.

I'll wear a mask and stay away from large gatherings until I think the
numbers show it's safe to do otherwise -- and you can run gangbusters
into the contagion.   We're adults and can make decisions for
ourselves.
   Just don't come see me after you've done that, please.

On 4/6/21 8:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
 > Take that percentage into consideration the amount of people who
 > actually get it that die or have some lingering issues.  Not to
mention
 > there is little to no evidence or statistics that the masks or the
 > lockdowns have prevented or even hindered the spread.   It
certainly has
 > eliminated the regular flu and all other similar ailments!
 >
 > This is a situation  I think that we'll need to rip the bandaid
off and
 > go on with our lives.  Those who are at high risk should take
 > precautions.  The quicker we develop this immunity as a human
race,  the
 > better off we are in the long run.
 >
 > People here and relatives I've talked to all across North America
are
 > all fed up and had enough of this nonsense.  It is only a matter
of time
 > before people stop abiding and it will take some serious orwellian
 > jackboots to get people to "conform".   The kool aid is running
out and
 > we'll start to see more and more states start going the way of Texas.
 >
 > Disclaimer:  It is a nasty and deadly cold and people should take
 > precautions to protect themselves.
 >
 >

 > *From: *"Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]" mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>>
 > *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>, "Josh
Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
 > *Sent: *Monday, April 5, 2021 7:19:59 PM
 > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
 >
 > Dallas county (2.6 million people) has 300 cases a day (as of
April 4th).
 >
 > Quick math says that’s 0.01% of the population has covid.
 >
 > That's practically non-existent.
 >
 > Live life, or don't.  Just don't complain when other's live their
life.
 >
 > Jim Bouse
 > Owner - Brazos WiFi
 > 979-985-5912
 > http://www.brazoswifi.com
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
 > Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 4:40 PM
 > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>; Josh Luthman
 > mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
 > Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] GPON through MUX?

I read somewhere it said GPON was 1550 and I knew that was wrong, so you
saw it somewhere for sure.

Josh Luthman
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On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 10:00 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> You're right.I googled "GPON Wavelength" and the very first hit is
> just plain wrong.
>
>
> On 4/5/2021 10:05 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
> > Adam,
> > GPON is 1310/1490. There are definitely ways to overlay DWDM. We
> > overlay 1550 RF video over our GPON and it's probably a way wider
> > signal than DWDM would be.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:33 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
> >> GPON is 1490 down and 1550 up
> >>
> >> I've been using CWDM which overlaps that.  I hadn't looked at DWDM.
> >>
> >> DWDM C band is 1525-1565 which would overlap.
> >>
> >> DWDM L band is 1570-1625.so yeah I guess a DWDM MUX that only
> >> touched L-Band might pass GPON through.  Maybe I've been looking at it
> >> through the wrong lens.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4/2/2021 4:24 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
> >>> Cant you just use a dwdm with expansion port? everything not in the
> dwdm range would get spit out the expansion port (gpon).
> >>>
>  On Apr 2, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
>  Why isn't there a MUX that carries GPON on one port and then also
> allows me a few ethernet paths on other wavelengths?  I feel like this
> would be a really useful thing for people leasing dark fiber, so I can't
> fathom why it's not a commodity item.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

2021-04-06 Thread Steven Kenney

By all means take any precaution you wish. People at risk should. But don't 
impose your beliefs on others. If you see a non mask wearer - stay away from 
them. Go ahead and live your life in fear. The way things are going right now, 
this will never end. We tried your way, it didn't work, it didn't even make a 
dent on the numbers. In fact it bought the virus time to mutate and make things 
worse. 

First they said masks wouldn't work, you'd need a bare minimum of a N95 so 
don't bother. Then they said wear the mask, now you need to wear 3. This is a 
clown show. It is time to try a different way. The quickest way to immunity and 
return to normal life. If you do anything that prolongs that from happening you 
are clearly advocating for big pharma and the medical community to now be our 
new governing body. 

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, April 6, 2021 9:59:42 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA? 

The best cheese is that that is handed down to you 

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 7:53 AM Matt Hoppes < [ 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net | mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net ] 
> wrote: 

And this is the issue I have with us humans... selfish. 

It's a year... maybe a year and a half. 

You're telling me you can't avoid going out to bars, out to eat, out in 
large gatherings for a year and a half to help keep others from getting 
infected? 

I'd argue there is a lot of evidence that masks and lock downs have 
helped -- how can you spread if you aren't out seeing people? 

The issue comes because people say " yah... I'm at home don't cha 
know" but they were out to dinner with a friend who was passing through 
who they haven't seen in years and they went to church and sat next to 
someone not in their immediate family. 

Do masks work? 

You tell me  I was talking 4 feet from my SIL who somehow got COVID 
and so far I have no symptoms. This was 3 days before she shows 
symptoms, so surely contagious by that point from what we know. 

We were both wearing masks. 

The cool thing about America is we can all do our own thing as long as 
it doesn't harm others. 

I'll wear a mask and stay away from large gatherings until I think the 
numbers show it's safe to do otherwise -- and you can run gangbusters 
into the contagion. We're adults and can make decisions for ourselves. 
Just don't come see me after you've done that, please. 

On 4/6/21 8:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: 
> Take that percentage into consideration the amount of people who 
> actually get it that die or have some lingering issues. Not to mention 
> there is little to no evidence or statistics that the masks or the 
> lockdowns have prevented or even hindered the spread. It certainly has 
> eliminated the regular flu and all other similar ailments! 
> 
> This is a situation I think that we'll need to rip the bandaid off and 
> go on with our lives. Those who are at high risk should take 
> precautions. The quicker we develop this immunity as a human race, the 
> better off we are in the long run. 
> 
> People here and relatives I've talked to all across North America are 
> all fed up and had enough of this nonsense. It is only a matter of time 
> before people stop abiding and it will take some serious orwellian 
> jackboots to get people to "conform". The kool aid is running out and 
> we'll start to see more and more states start going the way of Texas. 
> 
> Disclaimer: It is a nasty and deadly cold and people should take 
> precautions to protect themselves. 
> 
>  
> *From: *"Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]" < [ mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com | 
> j...@brazoswifi.com ] > 
> *To: *"af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] >, "Josh Luthman" < 
> [ mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com | j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ] > 
> *Sent: *Monday, April 5, 2021 7:19:59 PM 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA? 
> 
> Dallas county (2.6 million people) has 300 cases a day (as of April 4th). 
> 
> Quick math says that’s 0.01% of the population has covid. 
> 
> That's practically non-existent. 
> 
> Live life, or don't. Just don't complain when other's live their life. 
> 
> Jim Bouse 
> Owner - Brazos WiFi 
> 979-985-5912 
> [ http://www.brazoswifi.com/ | http://www.brazoswifi.com ] 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes 
> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 4:40 PM 
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
> af@af.afmug.com ] >; Josh Luthman 
> < [ mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com | j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ] > 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA? 
> 
> Texas: I'd be going to Dallas. 
> 
> Pennsylvania: I'm no where near Philly or Pittsburgh. 
> 
> My County has about 34 new cases per day. 
> 
> On 4/5/21 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 
> > Even though Pennsylvania has THREE TIMES the cases? Hmm su

Re: [AFMUG] GPON through MUX?

2021-04-06 Thread Adam Moffett

You're right.I googled "GPON Wavelength" and the very first hit is 
just plain wrong.



On 4/5/2021 10:05 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:

Adam,
GPON is 1310/1490. There are definitely ways to overlay DWDM. We
overlay 1550 RF video over our GPON and it's probably a way wider
signal than DWDM would be.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:33 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

GPON is 1490 down and 1550 up

I've been using CWDM which overlaps that.  I hadn't looked at DWDM.

DWDM C band is 1525-1565 which would overlap.

DWDM L band is 1570-1625.so yeah I guess a DWDM MUX that only
touched L-Band might pass GPON through.  Maybe I've been looking at it
through the wrong lens.


On 4/2/2021 4:24 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:

Cant you just use a dwdm with expansion port? everything not in the dwdm range 
would get spit out the expansion port (gpon).


On Apr 2, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

Why isn't there a MUX that carries GPON on one port and then also allows me a 
few ethernet paths on other wavelengths?  I feel like this would be a really 
useful thing for people leasing dark fiber, so I can't fathom why it's not a 
commodity item.



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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

The best cheese is that that is handed down to you

On Tue, Apr 6, 2021, 7:53 AM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> And this is the issue I have with us humans... selfish.
>
> It's a year... maybe a year and a half.
>
> You're telling me you can't avoid going out to bars, out to eat, out in
> large gatherings for a year and a half to help keep others from getting
> infected?
>
> I'd argue there is a lot of evidence that masks and lock downs have
> helped -- how can you spread if you aren't out seeing people?
>
> The issue comes because people say " yah... I'm at home don't cha
> know" but they were out to dinner with a friend who was passing through
> who they haven't seen in years and they went to church and sat next to
> someone not in their immediate family.
>
> Do masks work?
>
> You tell me  I was talking 4  feet from my SIL who somehow got COVID
> and so far I have no symptoms.  This was 3 days before she shows
> symptoms, so surely contagious by that point from what we know.
>
> We were both wearing masks.
>
> The cool thing about America is we can all do our own thing as long as
> it doesn't harm others.
>
> I'll wear a mask and stay away from large gatherings until I think the
> numbers show it's safe to do otherwise -- and you can run gangbusters
> into the contagion.   We're adults and can make decisions for ourselves.
>   Just don't come see me after you've done that, please.
>
> On 4/6/21 8:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> > Take that percentage into consideration the amount of people who
> > actually get it that die or have some lingering issues.  Not to mention
> > there is little to no evidence or statistics that the masks or the
> > lockdowns have prevented or even hindered the spread.   It certainly has
> > eliminated the regular flu and all other similar ailments!
> >
> > This is a situation  I think that we'll need to rip the bandaid off and
> > go on with our lives.  Those who are at high risk should take
> > precautions.  The quicker we develop this immunity as a human race,  the
> > better off we are in the long run.
> >
> > People here and relatives I've talked to all across North America are
> > all fed up and had enough of this nonsense.  It is only a matter of time
> > before people stop abiding and it will take some serious orwellian
> > jackboots to get people to "conform".   The kool aid is running out and
> > we'll start to see more and more states start going the way of Texas.
> >
> > Disclaimer:  It is a nasty and deadly cold and people should take
> > precautions to protect themselves.
> >
> > 
> > *From: *"Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]" 
> > *To: *"af" , "Josh Luthman" <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> > *Sent: *Monday, April 5, 2021 7:19:59 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
> >
> > Dallas county (2.6 million people) has 300 cases a day (as of April 4th).
> >
> > Quick math says that’s 0.01% of the population has covid.
> >
> > That's practically non-existent.
> >
> > Live life, or don't.  Just don't complain when other's live their life.
> >
> > Jim Bouse
> > Owner - Brazos WiFi
> > 979-985-5912
> > http://www.brazoswifi.com
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> > Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 4:40 PM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Josh Luthman
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?
> >
> > Texas: I'd be going to Dallas.
> >
> > Pennsylvania: I'm no where near Philly or Pittsburgh.
> >
> > My County has about 34 new cases per day.
> >
> > On 4/5/21 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >  > Even though Pennsylvania has THREE TIMES the cases?  Hmm sure seems
> >  > like you'd want to be in Texas with their lesser case count.
> >  >
> >  > Josh Luthman
> >  > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> >  > Direct: 937-552-2343
> >  > 1100 Wayne St
> >  > Suite 1337
> >  > Troy, OH 45373
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:39 AM Matt Hoppes
> >  >  >  > > wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Same here
> >  >
> >  > Texas clearly thinks this whole thing is a joke.
> >  >
> >  > On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
> >  >  > I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax
> >  > attitude
> >  >  > towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
> >  >  >
> >  >  > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman
> >  > mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> >  >  >  >  > >> wrote:
> >  >  >
> >  >  >  >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
> >  >  >
> >  >  > Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
> >  >  >
> >  >  > Josh Luthman
> >  >  > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> >  >  > Direct: 937-552-2343
> >  >  > 1100 Wayne St
> >  >  > Suite 1337
> >  >  > Troy, OH 45373
> >  >  >

Re: [AFMUG] GPON through MUX?

2021-04-06 Thread Mark Radabaugh

We do it. It’s limited to a single splitter but works fine. These are inexpensive fiberstore muxes:

FWDM.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
MarkOn Apr 5, 2021, at 10:05 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:Adam,GPON is 1310/1490. There are definitely ways to overlay DWDM. Weoverlay 1550 RF video over our GPON and it's probably a way widersignal than DWDM would be.On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 4:33 PM Adam Moffett wrote:GPON is 1490 down and 1550 upI've been using CWDM which overlaps that. I hadn't looked at DWDM.DWDM C band is 1525-1565 which would overlap.DWDM L band is 1570-1625.so yeah I guess a DWDM MUX that onlytouched L-Band might pass GPON through. Maybe I've been looking at itthrough the wrong lens.On 4/2/2021 4:24 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:Cant you just use a dwdm with expansion port? everything not in the dwdm range would get spit out the expansion port (gpon).On Apr 2, 2021, at 2:15 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:Why isn't there a MUX that carries GPON on one port and then also allows me a few ethernet paths on other wavelengths? I feel like this would be a really useful thing for people leasing dark fiber, so I can't fathom why it's not a commodity item.--AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com--AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com--
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[AFMUG] What do you wish you knew about small business?


I've been struck by several things:

1) How terrible a lot of small business development courses are
2) How many small business owners don't fully understand how to make the 
most of their business.


With that in mind:
https://www.facebook.com/everyoneplunges/posts/1397379503939932

Not specific to WISP (such as, I wish I knew how to climb towers better, 
I wish I knew how to align a radio better), but rather - business 
operations.  What are some "AHA!" moments you've had, or struggles you 
currently experience that you wish you could overcome?


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Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

And this is the issue I have with us humans... selfish.

It's a year... maybe a year and a half.

You're telling me you can't avoid going out to bars, out to eat, out in 
large gatherings for a year and a half to help keep others from getting 
infected?

I'd argue there is a lot of evidence that masks and lock downs have 
helped -- how can you spread if you aren't out seeing people?

The issue comes because people say " yah... I'm at home don't cha 
know" but they were out to dinner with a friend who was passing through 
who they haven't seen in years and they went to church and sat next to 
someone not in their immediate family.

Do masks work?

You tell me  I was talking 4  feet from my SIL who somehow got COVID 
and so far I have no symptoms.  This was 3 days before she shows 
symptoms, so surely contagious by that point from what we know.

We were both wearing masks.

The cool thing about America is we can all do our own thing as long as 
it doesn't harm others.

I'll wear a mask and stay away from large gatherings until I think the 
numbers show it's safe to do otherwise -- and you can run gangbusters 
into the contagion.   We're adults and can make decisions for ourselves. 
 Just don't come see me after you've done that, please.

On 4/6/21 8:31 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
Take that percentage into consideration the amount of people who 
actually get it that die or have some lingering issues.  Not to mention 
there is little to no evidence or statistics that the masks or the 
lockdowns have prevented or even hindered the spread.   It certainly has 
eliminated the regular flu and all other similar ailments!

This is a situation  I think that we'll need to rip the bandaid off and 
go on with our lives.  Those who are at high risk should take 
precautions.  The quicker we develop this immunity as a human race,  the 
better off we are in the long run.

People here and relatives I've talked to all across North America are 
all fed up and had enough of this nonsense.  It is only a matter of time 
before people stop abiding and it will take some serious orwellian 
jackboots to get people to "conform".   The kool aid is running out and 
we'll start to see more and more states start going the way of Texas.

Disclaimer:  It is a nasty and deadly cold and people should take 
precautions to protect themselves.

*From: *"Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]" 
*To: *"af" , "Josh Luthman" 
*Sent: *Monday, April 5, 2021 7:19:59 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

Dallas county (2.6 million people) has 300 cases a day (as of April 4th).

Quick math says that’s 0.01% of the population has covid.

That's practically non-existent.

Live life, or don't.  Just don't complain when other's live their life.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 4:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group ; Josh Luthman 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Who is going to WISPAMERICA?

Texas: I'd be going to Dallas.

Pennsylvania: I'm no where near Philly or Pittsburgh.

My County has about 34 new cases per day.

On 4/5/21 12:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
 > Even though Pennsylvania has THREE TIMES the cases?  Hmm sure seems
 > like you'd want to be in Texas with their lesser case count.
 >
 > Josh Luthman
 > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
 > Direct: 937-552-2343
 > 1100 Wayne St
 > Suite 1337
 > Troy, OH 45373
 >
 >
 > On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 11:39 AM Matt Hoppes
 >  > wrote:
 >
 >     Same here
 >
 >     Texas clearly thinks this whole thing is a joke.
 >
 >     On 4/5/21 11:36 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
 >      > I am not going to the show this year. Texas politics and lax
 >     attitude
 >      > towards a pandemic and other issues is a big concern.
 >      >
 >      > On Fri, Apr 2, 2021 at 8:19 AM Josh Luthman
 >     mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
 >      >      >> wrote:
 >      >
 >      >      >Is her daughter still involved with the organization?
 >      >
 >      >     Yes. https://www.wispa.org/wispa_staff.php
 >      >
 >      >     Josh Luthman
 >      >     24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
 >      >     Direct: 937-552-2343
 >      >     1100 Wayne St
 >      >     Suite 1337
 >      >     Troy, OH 45373
 >      >
 >      >
 >      >     On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 5:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF
 >     mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
 >      >     >> wrote:
 >      >
 >      >         I keep refraining from making a joke at Trina’s expense.
 >      >         I always got along with her just fine.  I thought she was
 >     a hoot.
 >      >         But if I was to make a joke it might have gone 
something like
 >      >         this: No way Wispapalooza will be a success unless 
they ha

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