date:20211119

are you saying its autopopulating the card number into the field. not the
thing where you select your CC? If thats the case Sonar needs to fix that,
and identify the input box. Thats poor form in 2021

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 10:45 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> When does the 'never' popup?  My browser just shows me the autocomplete
> list when I click on a field, be it address, or Ccard.  The only option is
> to 'manage' which goes to the Chrome settings page which just has a global
> on/off button.
>
> I've seen the 'never for this site' popup when saving passwords, but not
> for other information.
>
> On 11/17/2021 10:27 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> When it asks to autofill on blastcomm.sonar.com hit NEVER.  It should
> never ask for blastcomm.sonar.com.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 10:39 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> So I might be lazy, but I appreciate that Chrome saves my ccard info and
>> will autofill it into sites that I buy things from.
>>
>> However, when I'm entering customer Ccard info into Sonar, it always
>> wants me to choose one of my CCards to autofill, then Chrome wants to
>> save the customers ccard info after completion.  Googling didn't seem to
>> come up with a way to have certain sites exempt from the ccard
>> autofill/save.  It seems like this would be a big problem for any
>> company that does payment entry.  Am I missing a simple setting?
>> (without disabling it entirely)
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[AFMUG] Fax Machines

I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real 
fax machine.  I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to 
the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to 
test.  From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not 
successfully negotiate the baud rate.  I have several customers doing 
faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this 
customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection.


My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs 
about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over.  I figured I could 
pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks 
like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I 
guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore.


Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

2021-11-19 Thread Colin Stanners

Kijiji

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 10:50 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real
> fax machine.  I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to
> the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to
> test.  From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not
> successfully negotiate the baud rate.  I have several customers doing
> faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this
> customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection.
>
> My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs
> about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over.  I figured I could
> pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks
> like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I
> guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore.
>
> Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

2021-11-19 Thread Mike Hammett

I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller relationships with 
the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed and just not freaking deal 
with it anymore. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Fax Machines 

I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real 
fax machine. I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to 
the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to 
test. From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not 
successfully negotiate the baud rate. I have several customers doing 
faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this 
customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection. 

My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs 
about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over. I figured I could 
pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks 
like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I 
guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore. 

Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

2021-11-19 Thread Jay Weekley


Why do people fax anything in 2021?

Mike Hammett wrote:
I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller 
relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed 
and just not freaking deal with it anymore.




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Nate Burke" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines

I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real
fax machine.  I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to
the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to
test.  From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not
successfully negotiate the baud rate.  I have several customers doing
faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this
customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection.

My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs
about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over.  I figured I could
pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks
like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I
guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore.

Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

2021-11-19 Thread Mike Hammett

For some, it's because they're old. 

For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, medical, 
etc.). 




- 
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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "Jay Weekley"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines 

Why do people fax anything in 2021? 

Mike Hammett wrote: 
> I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller 
> relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed 
> and just not freaking deal with it anymore. 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions  
> 
>  
> Midwest Internet Exchange  
> 
>  
> The Brothers WISP  
>  
> 
> 
>  
>  
> *From: *"Nate Burke"  
> *To: *"Animal Farm"  
> *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines 
> 
> I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real 
> fax machine. I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to 
> the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to 
> test. From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not 
> successfully negotiate the baud rate. I have several customers doing 
> faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this 
> customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection. 
> 
> My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs 
> about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over. I figured I could 
> pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks 
> like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I 
> guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore. 
> 
> Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing. 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

All my fax customers requiring physical machines are Pharmacies faxing 
prescriptions, CPA's dealing with the IRS, Car Dealers doing Financing, 
and Realtors doing who knows what.  I do have one auto repair guy that 
wanted a real fax machine so he could scribble out a sketch on a piece 
of paper and fax it to his supplier.  I'm pretty sure 100% of the need 
for a real fax machine is the ease of scribbling it on a piece of paper 
and sending it.  Instead of scanning and then emailing.


Everyone else uses Email<->fax and is super happy with that.

On 11/19/2021 11:24 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:

Why do people fax anything in 2021?

Mike Hammett wrote:
I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller 
relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed 
and just not freaking deal with it anymore.




-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Nate Burke" 
*To: *"Animal Farm" 
*Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines

I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real
fax machine.  I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to
the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to
test.  From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not
successfully negotiate the baud rate.  I have several customers doing
faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this
customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast 
connection.


My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs
about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over.  I figured I could
pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks
like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I
guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore.

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Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is 
via fax.  The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then 
it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the 
customers digital file.  So they send 100 faxes/day.  You would think 
that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital file.


On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

For some, it's because they're old.

For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, 
medical, etc.).




-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jay Weekley" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

Why do people fax anything in 2021?

Mike Hammett wrote:
> I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller
> relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed
> and just not freaking deal with it anymore.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 


> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 


> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> 
> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines
>
> I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real
> fax machine.  I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to
> the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to
> test.  From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not
> successfully negotiate the baud rate.  I have several customers doing
> faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this
> customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast 
connection.

>
> My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs
> about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over.  I figured I could
> pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks
> like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I
> guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore.
>
> Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

2021-11-19 Thread Brian Webster

I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal signature 
being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to digital signatures or 
pictures of an original document.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

 

One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is via 
fax.  The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then it's faxed 
to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers digital file.  
So they send 100 faxes/day.  You would think that it should all be just entered 
right into the customers digital file.  

On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

For some, it's because they're old.

For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, medical, 
etc.).



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From: "Jay Weekley"   

To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"   

Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

Why do people fax anything in 2021?

Mike Hammett wrote:
> I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller 
> relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed 
> and just not freaking deal with it anymore.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions   
> 
>    
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Midwest Internet Exchange   
> 
>    
>  
>  
>  
> The Brothers WISP   
> 
>   
> 
>
>
>   
> 
> 
> *From: *"Nate Burke"   
> *To: *"Animal Farm"   
> *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines
>
> I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real
> fax machine.  I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to
> the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to
> test.  From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not
> successfully negotiate the baud rate.  I have several customers doing
> faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this
> customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection.
>
> My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs
> about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over.  I figured I could
> pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks
> like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I
> guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore.
>
> Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

I just ran into this yesterday.  
I wonder if it is a HIPPA thing or DEA thing where you can control the end 
point of the conveyance of the information?

IP is not as secure, perhaps, in someone’s mind.  

Them doctors loves their faxes.  

First FTTH customer I ever did was to a larger office full of doctors.  I 
talked them into swinging everything to me.
I payed to have the incumbent hook them back up to POTS after a few days of 
trying.  
The main doctor in this new office building was a friend of mine.  

I will never touch a doctor or pharmacy again.  

Fax and IP/SIP just do not play nice.  

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:02 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal signature 
being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to digital signatures or 
pictures of an original document.

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is via 
fax.  The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then it's faxed 
to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers digital file.  
So they send 100 faxes/day.  You would think that it should all be just entered 
right into the customers digital file.  

On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  For some, it's because they're old.

  For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, 
medical, etc.).

  -
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  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

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  From: "Jay Weekley" mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

  Why do people fax anything in 2021?

  Mike Hammett wrote:
  > I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller 
  > relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed 
  > and just not freaking deal with it anymore.
  >
  >
  >
  > -
  > Mike Hammett
  > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
  > 

  > Midwest Internet Exchange 
  > 

  > The Brothers WISP 
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  >
  >
  > 
  > 
  > *From: *"Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com
  > *To: *"Animal Farm" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  > *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM
  > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines
  >
  > I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real
  > fax machine.  I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to
  > the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to
  > test.  From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not
  > successfully negotiate the baud rate.  I have several customers doing
  > faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this
  > customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection.
  >
  > My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs
  > about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over.  I figured I could
  > pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks
  > like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I
  > guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore.
  >
  > Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

2021-11-19 Thread Mike Hammett

*nods* Not as secure. Ya know, I can TLS end to end, but I can also stick a 30 
year old tape recorder on the phone line NID at the business and record your 
fax. 

- 
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Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown via AF"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Cc: "Chuck McCown"  
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 12:57:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines 

I just ran into this yesterday. 
I wonder if it is a HIPPA thing or DEA thing where you can control the end 
point of the conveyance of the information? 

IP is not as secure, perhaps, in someone’s mind. 

Them doctors loves their faxes. 

First FTTH customer I ever did was to a larger office full of doctors. I talked 
them into swinging everything to me. 
I payed to have the incumbent hook them back up to POTS after a few days of 
trying. 
The main doctor in this new office building was a friend of mine. 

I will never touch a doctor or pharmacy again. 

Fax and IP/SIP just do not play nice. 

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:02 AM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines 

I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal signature 
being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to digital signatures or 
pictures of an original document. 

Thank you, 
Brian Webster 
www.wirelessmapping.com 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines 

One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is via 
fax. The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then it's faxed 
to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers digital file. 
So they send 100 faxes/day. You would think that it should all be just entered 
right into the customers digital file. 

On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 

For some, it's because they're old. 

For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance, medical, 
etc.). 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Jay Weekley" mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines 

Why do people fax anything in 2021? 

Mike Hammett wrote: 
> I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller 
> relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed 
> and just not freaking deal with it anymore. 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions  
>  
>  
>  
>  
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>  
>  
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> 
> 
>  
>  
> *From: *"Nate Burke" mailto:n...@blastcomm.com 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" mailto:af@af.afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 10:50:01 AM 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fax Machines 
> 
> I'm having trouble with one of my customers who insists on having a real 
> fax machine. I'm not convinced that it's not the Fax machine talking to 
> the ATA, so I was going to take another fax machine to their location to 
> test. From the Packet captures, it looks like the Fax machine does not 
> successfully negotiate the baud rate. I have several customers doing 
> faxing with ATA's and fax machines, the only difference with this 
> customer is that their ATA is off my network behind a Comcast connection. 
> 
> My desktop laser multifunction is a fax machine, but it also weighs 
> about 80lb so I don't really want to lug it over. I figured I could 
> pickup a cheap inkjet printer for <$50 and it would fax, but it looks 
> like fax capability is now relegated to the $200+ machines. Which I 
> guess makes sense since nobody 'should' be faxing anymore. 
> 
> Are there still cheap fax machines out there that I'm missing. 
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[AFMUG] OT breaking lent

Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:

(I hope I don’t regret this)

The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.

Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.  
Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
 
It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.  
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Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

2021-11-19 Thread Daniel White

If they insist on fax and the volume isn't crazy, HTTPS fax is an
awesome solution for this.  We have never had an issue with it, and we
have 100+ ATAs out there using it in all sorts of situations.

Otherwise POTS is generally my recommendation if FoIP/T.38 doesn't work. 

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766

> Chuck McCown via AF 
> November 19, 2021 at 11:57
> I just ran into this yesterday. 
> I wonder if it is a HIPPA thing or DEA thing where you can control the
> end point of the conveyance of the information?
>  
> IP is not as secure, perhaps, in someone’s mind. 
>  
> Them doctors loves their faxes. 
>  
> First FTTH customer I ever did was to a larger office full of
> doctors.  I talked them into swinging everything to me.
> I payed to have the incumbent hook them back up to POTS after a few
> days of trying. 
> The main doctor in this new office building was a friend of mine. 
>  
> I will never touch a doctor or pharmacy again. 
>  
> Fax and IP/SIP just do not play nice. 
>  
> *From:* Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 11:02 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
>  
>
> I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal
> signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to
> digital signatures or pictures of an original document.
>
>  
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>  
>
> *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
>
>  
>
> One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation
> is via fax.  The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient,
> then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the
> customers digital file.  So they send 100 faxes/day.  You would think
> that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital
> file. 
>
> On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>  
>
> 
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> Brian Webster 
> November 19, 2021 at 11:02
>
> I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal
> signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to
> digital signatures or pictures of an original document.
>
>  
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>  
>
> *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
>
>  
>
> One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation
> is via fax.  The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient,
> then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the
> customers digital file.  So they send 100 faxes/day.  You would think
> that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital
> file. 
>
> On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>  
>
>
>
> Nate Burke 
> November 19, 2021 at 10:38
> One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation
> is via fax.  The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient,
> then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the
> customers digital file.  So they send 100 faxes/day.  You would think
> that it should all be just entered right into the customers digital
> file. 
>
> On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Mike Hammett 
> November 19, 2021 at 10:33
> For some, it's because they're old.
>
> For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance,
> medical, etc.).
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> 
> *From: *"Jay Weekley" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
>
> Why do people fax anything in 2021?
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
> > I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller
> > relationships with the incum

Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected by 
their level of comfort.


Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's probably 
one of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this, didn't see a single 
person outside)


On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
(I hope I don’t regret this)
The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
But the media are certainly not sick of them.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

I have often wondered about a graph showing crime versus latitude.  Are colder 
areas more peaceful?

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 12:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected by their level 
of comfort.  

Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's probably one of 
the safest places.  (note- I've Done this, didn't see a single person outside)

On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:

  (I hope I don’t regret this)

  The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.

  Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.  
  Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
  Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
  It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.  
  But the media are certainly not sick of them.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

2021-11-19 Thread Jan-GAMs

An epson work force all-in-one are pretty cheap.  Think I paid around 
$100 for it, new.  They get ya on the ink sales.  The fax is decent

On 11/19/21 11:16, Daniel White wrote:
If they insist on fax and the volume isn't crazy, HTTPS fax is an 
awesome solution for this.  We have never had an issue with it, and we 
have 100+ ATAs out there using it in all sorts of situations.

Otherwise POTS is generally my recommendation if FoIP/T.38 doesn't work.

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766

Chuck McCown via AF 
November 19, 2021 at 11:57
I just ran into this yesterday.
I wonder if it is a HIPPA thing or DEA thing where you can control 
the end point of the conveyance of the information?

IP is not as secure, perhaps, in someone’s mind.
Them doctors loves their faxes.
First FTTH customer I ever did was to a larger office full of 
doctors.  I talked them into swinging everything to me.
I payed to have the incumbent hook them back up to POTS after a few 
days of trying.

The main doctor in this new office building was a friend of mine.
I will never touch a doctor or pharmacy again.
Fax and IP/SIP just do not play nice.
*From:* Brian Webster
*Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 11:02 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal 
signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to 
digital signatures or pictures of an original document.

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation 
is via fax.  The therapist hand writes out the report for the 
patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked 
into the customers digital file.  So they send 100 faxes/day.  You 
would think that it should all be just entered right into the 
customers digital file.

On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

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Brian Webster 
November 19, 2021 at 11:02

I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal 
signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to 
digital signatures or pictures of an original document.

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation 
is via fax.  The therapist hand writes out the report for the 
patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked 
into the customers digital file.  So they send 100 faxes/day.  You 
would think that it should all be just entered right into the 
customers digital file.

On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Nate Burke 
November 19, 2021 at 10:38
One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation 
is via fax.  The therapist hand writes out the report for the 
patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked 
into the customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day.  You 
would think that it should all be just entered right into the 
customers digital file.

On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Mike Hammett 
November 19, 2021 at 10:33
For some, it's because they're old.

For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire 
(insurance, medical, etc.).

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

*From: *"Jay Weekley" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

Why do people fax anything in 2021?

Mike Hammett wrote:
> I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller
> relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed
> and just not freaking deal with it anymo

Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent


Or there are just fewer people at higher latitudes.

On 11/19/2021 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I have often wondered about a graph showing crime versus latitude.  
Are colder areas more peaceful?

*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:18 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected by 
their level of comfort.


Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's probably 
one of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this, didn't see a single 
person outside)


On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
(I hope I don’t regret this)
The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
But the media are certainly not sick of them.





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Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

What HTTPS solution are you using?

On 11/19/2021 1:16 PM, Daniel White wrote:
If they insist on fax and the volume isn't crazy, HTTPS fax is an 
awesome solution for this.  We have never had an issue with it, and we 
have 100+ ATAs out there using it in all sorts of situations.

Otherwise POTS is generally my recommendation if FoIP/T.38 doesn't work.

photograph  
Daniel White
Co-Founder
phone: +1 (702) 470-2770
direct:+1 (702) 470-2766

Chuck McCown via AF 
November 19, 2021 at 11:57
I just ran into this yesterday.
I wonder if it is a HIPPA thing or DEA thing where you can control 
the end point of the conveyance of the information?

IP is not as secure, perhaps, in someone’s mind.
Them doctors loves their faxes.
First FTTH customer I ever did was to a larger office full of 
doctors.  I talked them into swinging everything to me.
I payed to have the incumbent hook them back up to POTS after a few 
days of trying.

The main doctor in this new office building was a friend of mine.
I will never touch a doctor or pharmacy again.
Fax and IP/SIP just do not play nice.
*From:* Brian Webster
*Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 11:02 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal 
signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to 
digital signatures or pictures of an original document.

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation 
is via fax.  The therapist hand writes out the report for the 
patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked 
into the customers digital file.  So they send 100 faxes/day.  You 
would think that it should all be just entered right into the 
customers digital file.

On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

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Brian Webster 
November 19, 2021 at 11:02

I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal 
signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to 
digital signatures or pictures of an original document.

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation 
is via fax.  The therapist hand writes out the report for the 
patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked 
into the customers digital file.  So they send 100 faxes/day.  You 
would think that it should all be just entered right into the 
customers digital file.

On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Nate Burke 
November 19, 2021 at 10:38
One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation 
is via fax.  The therapist hand writes out the report for the 
patient, then it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked 
into the customers digital file. So they send 100 faxes/day.  You 
would think that it should all be just entered right into the 
customers digital file.

On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Mike Hammett 
November 19, 2021 at 10:33
For some, it's because they're old.

For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire 
(insurance, medical, etc.).

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

*From: *"Jay Weekley" 
*To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
*Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

Why do people fax anything in 2021?

Mike Hammett wrote:
> I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller
> relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed
> and just not freaking deal with it anymore.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

2021-11-19 Thread Colin Stanners

Yes, but for that you need to physically go outside their building.

For badly-secured devices on the internet, they can be hacked from next
door as easily as Eastern Europe. And there are many wily people in the
latter.


On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:01 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> *nods* Not as secure. Ya know, I can TLS end to end, but I can also stick
> a 30 year old tape recorder on the phone line NID at the business and
> record your fax.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Chuck McCown via AF" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Cc: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 12:57:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
>
> I just ran into this yesterday.
> I wonder if it is a HIPPA thing or DEA thing where you can control the end
> point of the conveyance of the information?
>
> IP is not as secure, perhaps, in someone’s mind.
>
> Them doctors loves their faxes.
>
> First FTTH customer I ever did was to a larger office full of doctors.  I
> talked them into swinging everything to me.
> I payed to have the incumbent hook them back up to POTS after a few days
> of trying.
> The main doctor in this new office building was a friend of mine.
>
> I will never touch a doctor or pharmacy again.
>
> Fax and IP/SIP just do not play nice.
>
> *From:* Brian Webster
> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 11:02 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
>
>
> I think there is something about the law and a document being a legal
> signature being an original or a fax. Laws haven’t caught up to digital
> signatures or pictures of an original document.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:38 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
>
>
>
> One of my Physical therapy customers, all their patient documentation is
> via fax.  The therapist hand writes out the report for the patient, then
> it's faxed to corporate where it's automagically sucked into the customers
> digital file.  So they send 100 faxes/day.  You would think that it should
> all be just entered right into the customers digital file.
>
> On 11/19/2021 11:33 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> For some, it's because they're old.
>
> For others, it's because their industry is a dumpster fire (insurance,
> medical, etc.).
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Jay Weekley" mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, November 19, 2021 11:24:48 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines
>
> Why do people fax anything in 2021?
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
> > I'm having fax problems as well. We're going to get reseller
> > relationships with the incumbents so we can get a POTS line installed
> > and just not freaking deal with it anymore.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> >  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> >  
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

Did anyone watch the PBS special on WR Hearst?  Where we get our "media" 
bias towards sensationalism..   Watching that you really get a sense of 
History and being doomed to repeat it.


On 11/19/21 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
(I hope I don’t regret this)
The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
But the media are certainly not sick of them.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent


Except Russia, everyone stays out in Russia...

On 11/19/21 11:18 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected by 
their level of comfort.


Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's probably 
one of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this, didn't see a single 
person outside)


On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
(I hope I don’t regret this)
The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
But the media are certainly not sick of them.







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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent


Because blood that is 70% vodka doesn't freeze 

On 11/19/2021 2:09 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Except Russia, everyone stays out in Russia...

On 11/19/21 11:18 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected by 
their level of comfort.


Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's probably 
one of the safest places.� (note- I've Done this, didn't see a single 
person outside)


On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
(I hope I don�t regret this)
The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
Using lots of phrases like: �pretty calm � AT THE MOMENT�.
Or �we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence�.
Or �Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent�
It appears to be calm there.� I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
But the media are certainly not sick of them.










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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

2021-11-19 Thread dmmoffett

The Russians have school kids take a recess break to go play in the snow in
their underwear.  They think it's good for health.

Regarding Wisconsin.I think courtroom procedures are pretty good at
finding fact.  The "unintentional homicide" charge might have had some
basis, but the 1st degree murder charge seems absurd in hindsight.
-Adam



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 3:09 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

Except Russia, everyone stays out in Russia...

On 11/19/21 11:18 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected by 
> their level of comfort.
> 
> Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's probably 
> one of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this, didn't see a single 
> person outside)
> 
> On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>> (I hope I dont regret this)
>> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>> Using lots of phrases like: pretty calm  AT THE MOMENT.
>> Or we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence.
>> Or Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent
>> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
>> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
>>
>>
> 
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BLM didnt come today, something was told to the media about a lack of
security.
I think that was the legit arm of BLM, the political activist side.
They saw a lack of visible troops and know theyre about one more brick
through a window from losing their voice (and cash flow)
This really disappointed every media outfit of a particular slant. you
could hear the disappointment in their voice.

The media is irritated that the trial was in november. Cold rocks are
harder to throw. And this particular verdict would have been guaranteed to
drive gunfights in the street. I wouldnt be surprised if MSNBC doesnt file
a suit against the prosecutor for not bringing this to trial in better
weather.

It just sucks that 2 people had to die and guy become a cripple to remind
people to stay in their own lane. Hopefully this will give people a winter
to reflect on the damage the media narrative does.

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:30 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Or there are just fewer people at higher latitudes.
>
> On 11/19/2021 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> I have often wondered about a graph showing crime versus latitude.  Are
> colder areas more peaceful?
>
> *From:* Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:18 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
>
> It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected by their
> level of comfort.
>
> Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's probably one
> of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this, didn't see a single person
> outside)
>
> On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>
> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>
> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>
> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

they talked about that, basically, once a perfect self defense is shown,
there is no charge that can stand. an imperfect self defense would have
potentially opened the door for a lesser charge, but Wisconsin doesnt have
an unintentional homicide equivalent. There is a lot of claims of "vague"
laws on the books in WI, but INAL reading of applicable statutes seems that
theyre overly specific there.

"Wisconsin law does not provide for the crime of 'unintentional homicide',
a homicide committed without intent is still a homicide, although it may be
reckless or negligent. A negligent homicide may still have intent, but the
intent may have been to do some other act. As well, the act intended may
differ from the act that resulted and the person may still be charged with
homicide."

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 2:42 PM  wrote:

> The Russians have school kids take a recess break to go play in the snow in
> their underwear.  They think it's good for health.
>
> Regarding Wisconsin.I think courtroom procedures are pretty good at
> finding fact.  The "unintentional homicide" charge might have had some
> basis, but the 1st degree murder charge seems absurd in hindsight.
> -Adam
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 3:09 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
>
> Except Russia, everyone stays out in Russia...
>
> On 11/19/21 11:18 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
> > It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected by
> > their level of comfort.
> >
> > Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's probably
> > one of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this, didn't see a single
> > person outside)
> >
> > On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> >> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
> >> (I hope I don’t regret this)
> >> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
> >> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
> >> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
> >> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
> >> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
> >> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

2021-11-19 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that
  the young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be
  the self-appointed "police", and as a result a couple of people
  died. If said young twerp had stayed home and watched Chuck Norris
  on TV, maybe no one would have died, and maybe a few windows might
  have been broken. 

I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.


bp

On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown
  via AF wrote:


  
  

  Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
   
  (I hope I don’t regret this)
   
  The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots
in Wisconsin.
   
  Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE
MOMENT”.  
  Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for
violence”.
  Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get
violent”
   
  It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are
sick of riots.  
  But the media are certainly not sick of them.  

  
  
  

  


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Aaaa now we've gone too far, because I want to respond with the 
insurrection deaths as part of this...


On 11/19/21 12:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
BLM didnt come today, something was told to the media about a lack of 
security.

I think that was the legit arm of BLM, the political activist side.
They saw a lack of visible troops and know theyre about one more brick 
through a window from losing their voice (and cash flow)
This really disappointed every media outfit of a particular slant. you 
could hear the disappointment in their voice.


The media is irritated that the trial was in november. Cold rocks are 
harder to throw. And this particular verdict would have been guaranteed 
to drive gunfights in the street. I wouldnt be surprised if MSNBC doesnt 
file a suit against the prosecutor for not bringing this to trial in 
better weather.


It just sucks that 2 people had to die and guy become a cripple to 
remind people to stay in their own lane. Hopefully this will give people 
a winter to reflect on the damage the media narrative does.


On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:30 PM Nate Burke > wrote:


Or there are just fewer people at higher latitudes.

On 11/19/2021 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I have often wondered about a graph showing crime versus
latitude.  Are colder areas more peaceful?
*From:* Nate Burke
*Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:18 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected
by their level of comfort.

Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's
probably one of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this, didn't
see a single person outside)

On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
(I hope I don’t regret this)
The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in
Wisconsin.
Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
But the media are certainly not sick of them.





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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

rotflmao, i love when innaccurate information is parroted right after it
was all lawfully laid out in formal procedeings.

We can break tons of histories down
if pedophiles werent released back into society, there would be no event 1
if felonies werent expunged so easily in WI, # 4 wouldnt have got himself
shot
huber dude was a hero coward
if rioters werent allowed to indiscriminately riot and victimize, citizens
wouldnt get fed up
property does hold more value than any life willing to risk itself over
other peoples property... Therefore if people would value there lives a
little more, they wouldnt get in a position to meet their maker
If the FBI and other alphabets were to make available more of the 9000 foot
footage of our daily lives they have we would probably have a different
opinion than the media wants

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:04 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the
> young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the
> self-appointed "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said
> young twerp had stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one
> would have died, and maybe a few windows might have been broken.
>
> I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>
> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>
> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>
> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

2021-11-19 Thread castarritt

I'm disappointed in you Steve; how could you miss that the Ghislaine
Maxwell trial is happening at the same time?

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 2:57 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> BLM didnt come today, something was told to the media about a lack of
> security.
> I think that was the legit arm of BLM, the political activist side.
> They saw a lack of visible troops and know theyre about one more brick
> through a window from losing their voice (and cash flow)
> This really disappointed every media outfit of a particular slant. you
> could hear the disappointment in their voice.
>
> The media is irritated that the trial was in november. Cold rocks are
> harder to throw. And this particular verdict would have been guaranteed to
> drive gunfights in the street. I wouldnt be surprised if MSNBC doesnt file
> a suit against the prosecutor for not bringing this to trial in better
> weather.
>
> It just sucks that 2 people had to die and guy become a cripple to remind
> people to stay in their own lane. Hopefully this will give people a winter
> to reflect on the damage the media narrative does.
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:30 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Or there are just fewer people at higher latitudes.
>>
>> On 11/19/2021 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> I have often wondered about a graph showing crime versus latitude.  Are
>> colder areas more peaceful?
>>
>> *From:* Nate Burke
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:18 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
>>
>> It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected by their
>> level of comfort.
>>
>> Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's probably one
>> of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this, didn't see a single person
>> outside)
>>
>> On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>>
>> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>>
>> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>>
>> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
>> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
>> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
>> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
>> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

2021-11-19 Thread Larry Smith

So in your view the riots, burning, looting are ok but not
the holding of them accountable.  Wonder if it were your
house or business (or families) if you would feel differently.

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On Fri November 19 2021 15:03, Bill Prince wrote:
> No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the young
> twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the self-appointed
> "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said young twerp had
> stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one would have died,
> and maybe a few windows might have been broken.
>
> I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.
>
>
> bp
> 
> On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>  
> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>  
> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>  
> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”. 
> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots. 
> But the media are certainly not sick of them. 

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Yeah, a dumb kid looking for excitement, cloaked in a self appointed robe of a 
noble cause, or so he told himself.  

Sad all the way around.

My focus is how the media seems like they would almost start something just so 
they can have something to broadcast.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 2:03 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the young 
twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the self-appointed 
"police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said young twerp had 
stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one would have died, and 
maybe a few windows might have been broken. 


I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.



bp
On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:

  (I hope I don’t regret this)

  The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.

  Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.  
  Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
  Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
  It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.  
  But the media are certainly not sick of them.  

   



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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

Bill didn't say that...

-Original Message- 
From: Larry Smith

Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 2:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

So in your view the riots, burning, looting are ok but not
the holding of them accountable.  Wonder if it were your
house or business (or families) if you would feel differently.

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On Fri November 19 2021 15:03, Bill Prince wrote:
No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the 
young

twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the self-appointed
"police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said young twerp had
stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one would have died,
and maybe a few windows might have been broken.

I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.

bp

On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:

(I hope I don’t regret this)

The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.

Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

man, I dont have the stomach to watch what is probably going to come out in
that, That trial and her dead buddy are enough we should see another flood.
with no ark



On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:21 PM castarritt  wrote:

>
> I'm disappointed in you Steve; how could you miss that the Ghislaine
> Maxwell trial is happening at the same time?
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 2:57 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> BLM didnt come today, something was told to the media about a lack of
>> security.
>> I think that was the legit arm of BLM, the political activist side.
>> They saw a lack of visible troops and know theyre about one more brick
>> through a window from losing their voice (and cash flow)
>> This really disappointed every media outfit of a particular slant. you
>> could hear the disappointment in their voice.
>>
>> The media is irritated that the trial was in november. Cold rocks are
>> harder to throw. And this particular verdict would have been guaranteed to
>> drive gunfights in the street. I wouldnt be surprised if MSNBC doesnt file
>> a suit against the prosecutor for not bringing this to trial in better
>> weather.
>>
>> It just sucks that 2 people had to die and guy become a cripple to remind
>> people to stay in their own lane. Hopefully this will give people a winter
>> to reflect on the damage the media narrative does.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:30 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> Or there are just fewer people at higher latitudes.
>>>
>>> On 11/19/2021 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>>
>>> I have often wondered about a graph showing crime versus latitude.  Are
>>> colder areas more peaceful?
>>>
>>> *From:* Nate Burke
>>> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:18 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
>>>
>>> It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected by
>>> their level of comfort.
>>>
>>> Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's probably
>>> one of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this, didn't see a single
>>> person outside)
>>>
>>> On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>>
>>> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>>>
>>> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>>>
>>> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>>>
>>> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
>>> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
>>> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
>>> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
>>> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
>>>
>>>
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Watching the PBS show, you get reminded that we went to war with Spain 
because Hearst wanted to sell papers.


On 11/19/21 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Yeah, a dumb kid looking for excitement, cloaked in a self appointed 
robe of a noble cause, or so he told himself.

Sad all the way around.
My focus is how the media seems like they would almost start something 
just so they can have something to broadcast.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 2:03 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the 
young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the 
self-appointed "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If 
said young twerp had stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe 
no one would have died, and maybe a few windows might have been broken.


I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.

bp


On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
(I hope I don’t regret this)
The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

If it bleeds it leads.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 2:26 PM
To: Chuck McCown via AF
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

Watching the PBS show, you get reminded that we went to war with Spain
because Hearst wanted to sell papers.

On 11/19/21 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
Yeah, a dumb kid looking for excitement, cloaked in a self appointed robe 
of a noble cause, or so he told himself.

Sad all the way around.
My focus is how the media seems like they would almost start something 
just so they can have something to broadcast.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 2:03 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the 
young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the 
self-appointed "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said 
young twerp had stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one 
would have died, and maybe a few windows might have been broken.

I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.

bp

On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
(I hope I don’t regret this)
The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
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2021-11-19 Thread Cameron Crum

Does anyone do anything but parrot the inaccuracies of the media these
days? He did not "cross state lines" with a firearm. The firearm never left
the town. His father lived in the town and he worked there as a lifeguard.
He lived less than 20 minutes away. The thug who lost his bicep drove from
further away and was breaking the law by possessing a firearm as he was a
felon. Rittenhouse wasn't there to "police" anything. He is trained in
first aid and was there throughout the day cleaning graffiti off walls and
actually rendering first aid to people as is shown in numerous pictures if
you care to seek them out. You can hear him on several of the videos
offering first aid. He was in legal possession of the firearm the whole
time. He served in cadet programs for both the police and fire.
Sometimes it's worthwhile to get out of the echo chamber.

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:04 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the
> young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the
> self-appointed "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said
> young twerp had stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one
> would have died, and maybe a few windows might have been broken.
>
> I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>
> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>
> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>
> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
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Im wondering how theyre going to spin the georgia case. I think pretty much
everybody knows somebody did something wrong down there and needs to go to
prison for something, I think the only thing the media can stir shit on is
whether old work boots was jogging or stealing.
Footage just came out of a police shooting of a kid with his hands up,
media is angry because that took place in warm weather and the video is
being released in sob optimum riot weather.
Maybe CNN and MSNBC will start seeking out arctic clothing advertisers as
their low viewership has cost them the good ones.

Stores are full of their black friday inventory if the supply chain
didnt screw that up. Maybe the media could do stories on all that idle
inventory in these retail stores intertwined with more riot baiting on the
Wisconsin trial.

I bet the story producers are 24x7 trying to figure out how to deal with
this cold snap

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Bill didn't say that...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Smith
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 2:19 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
>
> So in your view the riots, burning, looting are ok but not
> the holding of them accountable.  Wonder if it were your
> house or business (or families) if you would feel differently.
>
> --
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> lesm...@ecsis.net
>
> On Fri November 19 2021 15:03, Bill Prince wrote:
> > No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the
> > young
> > twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the self-appointed
> > "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said young twerp
> had
> > stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one would have died,
> > and maybe a few windows might have been broken.
> >
> > I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> > On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> >
> > Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
> >
> > (I hope I don’t regret this)
> >
> > The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
> >
> > Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
> > Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
> > Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
> > It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
> > But the media are certainly not sick of them.
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Hold them accountable with _Due Process_   which this kid got but the 
"rioters" didn't.   I think if it was your relative that was dead in the 
street YOUR perspective might be different.   No one died in this event 
_Except_ as a result of this kid.   Was it right that the guy was 
beating him with a skateboard, NO.  Was he going to die from the beating 
with a skateboard?  Not likely...  Was he at a house/business defending 
it/them?  No  Was he a perfect Media (either side) tool, most certainly...


On 11/19/21 1:19 PM, Larry Smith wrote:

So in your view the riots, burning, looting are ok but not
the holding of them accountable.  Wonder if it were your
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

So, post conviction and sentence jobs for Ghislane:
  Madam
  Daytime talk show host
  Bachelor show
  Crisis counselor
  The Dating Game 
  Princess consort for Prince Andrew
  Cruise director
  Facilitator for pre fight activities for Mike Tyson
  Intimacy Coordinator
  Gets religion and starts a TV church


From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 2:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

man, I dont have the stomach to watch what is probably going to come out in 
that, That trial and her dead buddy are enough we should see another flood. 
with no ark 



On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:21 PM castarritt  wrote:


  I'm disappointed in you Steve; how could you miss that the Ghislaine Maxwell 
trial is happening at the same time?


  On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 2:57 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

BLM didnt come today, something was told to the media about a lack of 
security. 
I think that was the legit arm of BLM, the political activist side.
They saw a lack of visible troops and know theyre about one more brick 
through a window from losing their voice (and cash flow)
This really disappointed every media outfit of a particular slant. you 
could hear the disappointment in their voice.

The media is irritated that the trial was in november. Cold rocks are 
harder to throw. And this particular verdict would have been guaranteed to 
drive gunfights in the street. I wouldnt be surprised if MSNBC doesnt file a 
suit against the prosecutor for not bringing this to trial in better weather.

It just sucks that 2 people had to die and guy become a cripple to remind 
people to stay in their own lane. Hopefully this will give people a winter to 
reflect on the damage the media narrative does.

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:30 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

  Or there are just fewer people at higher latitudes.  


  On 11/19/2021 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I have often wondered about a graph showing crime versus latitude.  Are 
colder areas more peaceful?

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 12:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected by 
their level of comfort.  

Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's probably 
one of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this, didn't see a single person 
outside)


On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:

  (I hope I don’t regret this)

  The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.

  Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.  
  Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
  Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
  It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.  
  But the media are certainly not sick of them.  

   




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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

I am guessing those good ol boys might get a chance to visit ol sparky.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 2:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

Im wondering how theyre going to spin the georgia case. I think pretty much 
everybody knows somebody did something wrong down there and needs to go to 
prison for something, I think the only thing the media can stir shit on is 
whether old work boots was jogging or stealing.  
Footage just came out of a police shooting of a kid with his hands up, media is 
angry because that took place in warm weather and the video is being released 
in sob optimum riot weather.
Maybe CNN and MSNBC will start seeking out arctic clothing advertisers as their 
low viewership has cost them the good ones. 

Stores are full of their black friday inventory if the supply chain didnt screw 
that up. Maybe the media could do stories on all that idle inventory in these 
retail stores intertwined with more riot baiting on the Wisconsin trial.

I bet the story producers are 24x7 trying to figure out how to deal with this 
cold snap

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Bill didn't say that...

  -Original Message- 
  From: Larry Smith
  Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 2:19 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

  So in your view the riots, burning, looting are ok but not
  the holding of them accountable.  Wonder if it were your
  house or business (or families) if you would feel differently.

  -- 
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  lesm...@ecsis.net

  On Fri November 19 2021 15:03, Bill Prince wrote:
  > No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the 
  > young
  > twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the self-appointed
  > "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said young twerp had
  > stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one would have died,
  > and maybe a few windows might have been broken.
  >
  > I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.
  >
  >
  > bp
  > 
  > On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
  >
  > Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
  >
  > (I hope I don’t regret this)
  >
  > The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
  >
  > Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
  > Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
  > Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
  > It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
  > But the media are certainly not sick of them.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

you forgot president of the US (either party)

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> So, post conviction and sentence jobs for Ghislane:
>
> Madam
> Daytime talk show host
> Bachelor show
> Crisis counselor
> The Dating Game
> Princess consort for Prince Andrew
> Cruise director
> Facilitator for pre fight activities for Mike Tyson
> Intimacy Coordinator
> Gets religion and starts a TV church
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 2:24 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
>
> man, I dont have the stomach to watch what is probably going to come out
> in that, That trial and her dead buddy are enough we should see another
> flood. with no ark
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:21 PM castarritt  wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm disappointed in you Steve; how could you miss that the Ghislaine
>> Maxwell trial is happening at the same time?
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 2:57 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> BLM didnt come today, something was told to the media about a lack of
>>> security.
>>> I think that was the legit arm of BLM, the political activist side.
>>> They saw a lack of visible troops and know theyre about one more brick
>>> through a window from losing their voice (and cash flow)
>>> This really disappointed every media outfit of a particular slant. you
>>> could hear the disappointment in their voice.
>>>
>>> The media is irritated that the trial was in november. Cold rocks are
>>> harder to throw. And this particular verdict would have been guaranteed to
>>> drive gunfights in the street. I wouldnt be surprised if MSNBC doesnt file
>>> a suit against the prosecutor for not bringing this to trial in better
>>> weather.
>>>
>>> It just sucks that 2 people had to die and guy become a cripple to
>>> remind people to stay in their own lane. Hopefully this will give people a
>>> winter to reflect on the damage the media narrative does.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:30 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>
 Or there are just fewer people at higher latitudes.

 On 11/19/2021 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

 I have often wondered about a graph showing crime versus latitude.  Are
 colder areas more peaceful?

 *From:* Nate Burke
 *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:18 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

 It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected by
 their level of comfort.

 Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's probably
 one of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this, didn't see a single
 person outside)

 On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

 Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:

 (I hope I don’t regret this)

 The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.

 Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
 Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
 Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

2021-11-19 Thread Jaime Solorza

Sorry dudes but had he been a person of color this would have been way
different...
Facts are behind me...


On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 12:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>
> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>
> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>
> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

I am absolutely certain of that.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 2:39 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

Sorry dudes but had he been a person of color this would have been way 
different... 
Facts are behind me...


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  Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:

  (I hope I don’t regret this)

  The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.

  Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.  
  Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
  Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
  It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

2021-11-19 Thread Cameron Crum

You sound like the prosecutor... he just should have taken his beating and
liked it, right? Everyone who attacked the kid had a violent past.

Skateboards never kill people...oh wait...
https://www.northcoastjournal.com/NewsBlog/archives/2021/05/05/man-found-guilty-in-skateboard-attack-death-of-good-samaritan


On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:34 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Hold them accountable with _Due Process_   which this kid got but the
> "rioters" didn't.   I think if it was your relative that was dead in the
> street YOUR perspective might be different.   No one died in this event
> _Except_ as a result of this kid.   Was it right that the guy was
> beating him with a skateboard, NO.  Was he going to die from the beating
> with a skateboard?  Not likely...  Was he at a house/business defending
> it/them?  No  Was he a perfect Media (either side) tool, most certainly...
>
> On 11/19/21 1:19 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
> > So in your view the riots, burning, looting are ok but not
> > the holding of them accountable.  Wonder if it were your
> > house or business (or families) if you would feel differently.
> >
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other than that dumb lady climbing through a window into a secure area
there werent any insurrection related deaths.
the riot at the capitol is  a prime example of  the media breeding strife,
they call that an insurrection, but the attack on the supreme court a
protest (they just couldnt get through the door because the wrists were too
weak). Coequal branches, different narratives, same intent.


On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:06 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Aaaa now we've gone too far, because I want to respond with the
> insurrection deaths as part of this...
>
> On 11/19/21 12:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > BLM didnt come today, something was told to the media about a lack of
> > security.
> > I think that was the legit arm of BLM, the political activist side.
> > They saw a lack of visible troops and know theyre about one more brick
> > through a window from losing their voice (and cash flow)
> > This really disappointed every media outfit of a particular slant. you
> > could hear the disappointment in their voice.
> >
> > The media is irritated that the trial was in november. Cold rocks are
> > harder to throw. And this particular verdict would have been guaranteed
> > to drive gunfights in the street. I wouldnt be surprised if MSNBC doesnt
> > file a suit against the prosecutor for not bringing this to trial in
> > better weather.
> >
> > It just sucks that 2 people had to die and guy become a cripple to
> > remind people to stay in their own lane. Hopefully this will give people
> > a winter to reflect on the damage the media narrative does.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:30 PM Nate Burke  > > wrote:
> >
> > Or there are just fewer people at higher latitudes.
> >
> > On 11/19/2021 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> >> I have often wondered about a graph showing crime versus
> >> latitude.  Are colder areas more peaceful?
> >> *From:* Nate Burke
> >> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:18 PM
> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
> >> It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected
> >> by their level of comfort.
> >>
> >> Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's
> >> probably one of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this, didn't
> >> see a single person outside)
> >>
> >> On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> >>> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
> >>> (I hope I don’t regret this)
> >>> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in
> >>> Wisconsin.
> >>> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
> >>> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
> >>> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
> >>> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of
> riots.
> >>> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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He wouldn't have made it out of the street alive..

On 11/19/21 1:41 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I am absolutely certain of that.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 2:39 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
Sorry dudes but had he been a person of color this would have been way 
different...

Facts are behind me...
On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 12:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
(I hope I don’t regret this)
The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
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which cases are you referring to?

Self defense isnt a common defense anywhere. a 12/100 ratio would be
expected. I never could understand why the left fears armed POC so much. I
never understood why the left fears POC defending themselves so much. "if
it ha been" is almost always a fear based statement.

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:40 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Sorry dudes but had he been a person of color this would have been way
> different...
> Facts are behind me...
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 12:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>>
>> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>>
>> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>>
>> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
>> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
>> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
>> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
>> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

Yeah, gonna have to disagree with you on that one Steve.  
But lets’ get back to picking on Ghislane or the media.  

Otherwise we are going to have the thermal breaker kill our power.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 2:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

other than that dumb lady climbing through a window into a secure area there 
werent any insurrection related deaths.  
the riot at the capitol is  a prime example of  the media breeding strife, they 
call that an insurrection, but the attack on the supreme court a protest (they 
just couldnt get through the door because the wrists were too weak). Coequal 
branches, different narratives, same intent.


On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:06 PM Robert Andrews  wrote:

  Aaaa now we've gone too far, because I want to respond with the 
  insurrection deaths as part of this...

  On 11/19/21 12:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
  > BLM didnt come today, something was told to the media about a lack of 
  > security.
  > I think that was the legit arm of BLM, the political activist side.
  > They saw a lack of visible troops and know theyre about one more brick 
  > through a window from losing their voice (and cash flow)
  > This really disappointed every media outfit of a particular slant. you 
  > could hear the disappointment in their voice.
  > 
  > The media is irritated that the trial was in november. Cold rocks are 
  > harder to throw. And this particular verdict would have been guaranteed 
  > to drive gunfights in the street. I wouldnt be surprised if MSNBC doesnt 
  > file a suit against the prosecutor for not bringing this to trial in 
  > better weather.
  > 
  > It just sucks that 2 people had to die and guy become a cripple to 
  > remind people to stay in their own lane. Hopefully this will give people 
  > a winter to reflect on the damage the media narrative does.
  > 
  > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:30 PM Nate Burke  > wrote:
  > 
  > Or there are just fewer people at higher latitudes.
  > 
  > On 11/19/2021 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
  >> I have often wondered about a graph showing crime versus
  >> latitude.  Are colder areas more peaceful?
  >> *From:* Nate Burke
  >> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:18 PM
  >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
  >> It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected
  >> by their level of comfort.
  >>
  >> Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's
  >> probably one of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this, didn't
  >> see a single person outside)
  >>
  >> On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
  >>> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
  >>> (I hope I don’t regret this)
  >>> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in
  >>> Wisconsin.
  >>> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
  >>> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
  >>> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
  >>> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
  >>> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

Even if he did and assuming the trial went the same way (which it would not 
have), today would not have been peaceful.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 2:44 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

He wouldn't have made it out of the street alive..

On 11/19/21 1:41 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

I am absolutely certain of that.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 2:39 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
Sorry dudes but had he been a person of color this would have been way 
different...

Facts are behind me...
On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 12:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:

Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
(I hope I don’t regret this)
The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
But the media are certainly not sick of them.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

George zimmerman was in no way caucasion
Odd statement to make a bout POC

If mawell doesnt hang herself before evidence is submitted, i hope we have
a substantial increase in tragic suicides amongst the filthy rich. Ill
always be poor so Ill never know how it is those mopes got to the point
where doing what hey did seems acceptable. At some point I guess as
youre wealth increases the more your lessers look like cattle to you, In
that respect in adition the being effectively rapists, in their eyes theyre
also into beastiality

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:46 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Yeah, gonna have to disagree with you on that one Steve.
> But lets’ get back to picking on Ghislane or the media.
>
> Otherwise we are going to have the thermal breaker kill our power.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 2:42 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
>
> other than that dumb lady climbing through a window into a secure area
> there werent any insurrection related deaths.
> the riot at the capitol is  a prime example of  the media breeding strife,
> they call that an insurrection, but the attack on the supreme court a
> protest (they just couldnt get through the door because the wrists were too
> weak). Coequal branches, different narratives, same intent.
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:06 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> Aaaa now we've gone too far, because I want to respond with the
>> insurrection deaths as part of this...
>>
>> On 11/19/21 12:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > BLM didnt come today, something was told to the media about a lack of
>> > security.
>> > I think that was the legit arm of BLM, the political activist side.
>> > They saw a lack of visible troops and know theyre about one more brick
>> > through a window from losing their voice (and cash flow)
>> > This really disappointed every media outfit of a particular slant. you
>> > could hear the disappointment in their voice.
>> >
>> > The media is irritated that the trial was in november. Cold rocks are
>> > harder to throw. And this particular verdict would have been guaranteed
>> > to drive gunfights in the street. I wouldnt be surprised if MSNBC
>> doesnt
>> > file a suit against the prosecutor for not bringing this to trial in
>> > better weather.
>> >
>> > It just sucks that 2 people had to die and guy become a cripple to
>> > remind people to stay in their own lane. Hopefully this will give
>> people
>> > a winter to reflect on the damage the media narrative does.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:30 PM Nate Burke > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Or there are just fewer people at higher latitudes.
>> >
>> > On 11/19/2021 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> >> I have often wondered about a graph showing crime versus
>> >> latitude.  Are colder areas more peaceful?
>> >> *From:* Nate Burke
>> >> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:18 PM
>> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
>> >> It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected
>> >> by their level of comfort.
>> >>
>> >> Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's
>> >> probably one of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this, didn't
>> >> see a single person outside)
>> >>
>> >> On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> >>> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>> >>> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>> >>> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in
>> >>> Wisconsin.
>> >>> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
>> >>> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
>> >>> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
>> >>> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of
>> riots.
>> >>> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
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Not likely does not equal never.. & I never said he should just take
it, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. & yes a ruptured spleen
will kill you IF you refuse medical treatment, why it was "_Involuntary
Manslaughter_" instead of murder. But then again spin is
everywhere. He shouldn't have been walking down the street with an
AR-15, how about that? And looking at a site that claimed video of kyle
offering EMT services, no video, could you help find that video?

On 11/19/21 1:42 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
You sound like the prosecutor... he just should have taken his beating
and liked it, right? Everyone who attacked the kid had a violent past.

Skateboards never kill people...oh wait...
https://www.northcoastjournal.com/NewsBlog/archives/2021/05/05/man-found-guilty-in-skateboard-attack-death-of-good-samaritan

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:34 PM Robert Andrews > wrote:

Hold them accountable with _Due Process_ which this kid got but the
"rioters" didn't. I think if it was your relative that was dead in
the
street YOUR perspective might be different. No one died in this event
_Except_ as a result of this kid. Was it right that the guy was
beating him with a skateboard, NO. Was he going to die from the
beating
with a skateboard? Not likely... Was he at a house/business defending
it/them? No Was he a perfect Media (either side) tool, most
certainly...

On 11/19/21 1:19 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
> So in your view the riots, burning, looting are ok but not
> the holding of them accountable. Wonder if it were your
> house or business (or families) if you would feel differently.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

speaking of that hispanic, Zimmerman, he sold his handgun at auction for
250k. How much do you think this AR would go for at auction? Its got two
bodies stacked, an owned bicep, and less than 100 rounds. Its not a
Bushmaster (mass shooter preferred) and it is known in many memes.

Im betting well over 2 mil

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:57 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> George zimmerman was in no way caucasion
> Odd statement to make a bout POC
>
> If mawell doesnt hang herself before evidence is submitted, i hope we have
> a substantial increase in tragic suicides amongst the filthy rich. Ill
> always be poor so Ill never know how it is those mopes got to the point
> where doing what hey did seems acceptable. At some point I guess as
> youre wealth increases the more your lessers look like cattle to you, In
> that respect in adition the being effectively rapists, in their eyes theyre
> also into beastiality
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:46 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, gonna have to disagree with you on that one Steve.
>> But lets’ get back to picking on Ghislane or the media.
>>
>> Otherwise we are going to have the thermal breaker kill our power.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 2:42 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
>>
>> other than that dumb lady climbing through a window into a secure area
>> there werent any insurrection related deaths.
>> the riot at the capitol is  a prime example of  the media breeding
>> strife, they call that an insurrection, but the attack on the supreme court
>> a protest (they just couldnt get through the door because the wrists were
>> too weak). Coequal branches, different narratives, same intent.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:06 PM Robert Andrews 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Aaaa now we've gone too far, because I want to respond with the
>>> insurrection deaths as part of this...
>>>
>>> On 11/19/21 12:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> > BLM didnt come today, something was told to the media about a lack of
>>> > security.
>>> > I think that was the legit arm of BLM, the political activist side.
>>> > They saw a lack of visible troops and know theyre about one more brick
>>> > through a window from losing their voice (and cash flow)
>>> > This really disappointed every media outfit of a particular slant. you
>>> > could hear the disappointment in their voice.
>>> >
>>> > The media is irritated that the trial was in november. Cold rocks are
>>> > harder to throw. And this particular verdict would have been
>>> guaranteed
>>> > to drive gunfights in the street. I wouldnt be surprised if MSNBC
>>> doesnt
>>> > file a suit against the prosecutor for not bringing this to trial in
>>> > better weather.
>>> >
>>> > It just sucks that 2 people had to die and guy become a cripple to
>>> > remind people to stay in their own lane. Hopefully this will give
>>> people
>>> > a winter to reflect on the damage the media narrative does.
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:30 PM Nate Burke >> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Or there are just fewer people at higher latitudes.
>>> >
>>> > On 11/19/2021 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> >> I have often wondered about a graph showing crime versus
>>> >> latitude.  Are colder areas more peaceful?
>>> >> *From:* Nate Burke
>>> >> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:18 PM
>>> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
>>> >> It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is affected
>>> >> by their level of comfort.
>>> >>
>>> >> Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's
>>> >> probably one of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this, didn't
>>> >> see a single person outside)
>>> >>
>>> >> On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> >>> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>>> >>> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>>> >>> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in
>>> >>> Wisconsin.
>>> >>> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
>>> >>> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
>>> >>> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
>>> >>> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of
>>> riots.
>>> >>> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

Which brings us to a rich white kid raping 4 women and a judge saying 
it's not worth jail time.  Sorry that we just don't have the country we 
advertise.   This kid grows up and becomes exactly what you are talking 
about.

On 11/19/21 1:57 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

George zimmerman was in no way caucasion
Odd statement to make a bout POC

If mawell doesnt hang herself before evidence is submitted, i hope we 
have a substantial increase in tragic suicides amongst the filthy rich. 
Ill always be poor so Ill never know how it is those mopes got to the 
point where doing what hey did seems acceptable. At some point I guess 
as youre wealth increases the more your lessers look like cattle to you, 
In that respect in adition the being effectively rapists, in their eyes 
theyre also into beastiality

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:46 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote:

Yeah, gonna have to disagree with you on that one Steve.
But lets’ get back to picking on Ghislane or the media.
Otherwise we are going to have the thermal breaker kill our power.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 2:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
other than that dumb lady climbing through a window into a secure
area there werent any insurrection related deaths.
the riot at the capitol is  a prime example of  the media breeding
strife, they call that an insurrection, but the attack on the
supreme court a protest (they just couldnt get through the door
because the wrists were too weak). Coequal branches, different
narratives, same intent.
On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:06 PM Robert Andrews
 wrote:

Aaaa now we've gone too far, because I want to respond
with the
insurrection deaths as part of this...

On 11/19/21 12:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
 > BLM didnt come today, something was told to the media about a
lack of
 > security.
 > I think that was the legit arm of BLM, the political activist
side.
 > They saw a lack of visible troops and know theyre about one
more brick
 > through a window from losing their voice (and cash flow)
 > This really disappointed every media outfit of a particular
slant. you
 > could hear the disappointment in their voice.
 >
 > The media is irritated that the trial was in november. Cold
rocks are
 > harder to throw. And this particular verdict would have been
guaranteed
 > to drive gunfights in the street. I wouldnt be surprised if
MSNBC doesnt
 > file a suit against the prosecutor for not bringing this to
trial in
 > better weather.
 >
 > It just sucks that 2 people had to die and guy become a
cripple to
 > remind people to stay in their own lane. Hopefully this will
give people
 > a winter to reflect on the damage the media narrative does.
 >
 > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:30 PM Nate Burke  > wrote:
 >
 > Or there are just fewer people at higher latitudes.
 >
 > On 11/19/2021 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
 >> I have often wondered about a graph showing crime versus
 >> latitude.  Are colder areas more peaceful?
 >> *From:* Nate Burke
 >> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:18 PM
 >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
 >> It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is
affected
 >> by their level of comfort.
 >>
 >> Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and it's
 >> probably one of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this,
didn't
 >> see a single person outside)
 >>
 >> On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
 >>> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
 >>> (I hope I don’t regret this)
 >>> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in
 >>> Wisconsin.
 >>> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
 >>> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for
violence”.
 >>> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
 >>> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are
sick of riots.
 >>> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>
 >>

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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

He does have expenses to cover...

On 11/19/21 2:00 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
speaking of that hispanic, Zimmerman, he sold his handgun at auction for 
250k. How much do you think this AR would go for at auction? Its got two 
bodies stacked, an owned bicep, and less than 100 rounds. Its not a 
Bushmaster (mass shooter preferred) and it is known in many memes.

Im betting well over 2 mil

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:57 PM Steve Jones > wrote:

George zimmerman was in no way caucasion
Odd statement to make a bout POC

If mawell doesnt hang herself before evidence is submitted, i hope
we have a substantial increase in tragic suicides amongst the filthy
rich. Ill always be poor so Ill never know how it is those mopes got
to the point where doing what hey did seems acceptable. At some
point I guess as youre wealth increases the more your lessers look
like cattle to you, In that respect in adition the being effectively
rapists, in their eyes theyre also into beastiality

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:46 PM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Yeah, gonna have to disagree with you on that one Steve.
But lets’ get back to picking on Ghislane or the media.
Otherwise we are going to have the thermal breaker kill our power.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 2:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
other than that dumb lady climbing through a window into a
secure area there werent any insurrection related deaths.
the riot at the capitol is  a prime example of  the media
breeding strife, they call that an insurrection, but the attack
on the supreme court a protest (they just couldnt get through
the door because the wrists were too weak). Coequal branches,
different narratives, same intent.
On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:06 PM Robert Andrews
 wrote:

Aaaa now we've gone too far, because I want to
respond with the
insurrection deaths as part of this...

On 11/19/21 12:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
 > BLM didnt come today, something was told to the media
about a lack of
 > security.
 > I think that was the legit arm of BLM, the political
activist side.
 > They saw a lack of visible troops and know theyre about
one more brick
 > through a window from losing their voice (and cash flow)
 > This really disappointed every media outfit of a
particular slant. you
 > could hear the disappointment in their voice.
 >
 > The media is irritated that the trial was in november.
Cold rocks are
 > harder to throw. And this particular verdict would have
been guaranteed
 > to drive gunfights in the street. I wouldnt be surprised
if MSNBC doesnt
 > file a suit against the prosecutor for not bringing this
to trial in
 > better weather.
 >
 > It just sucks that 2 people had to die and guy become a
cripple to
 > remind people to stay in their own lane. Hopefully this
will give people
 > a winter to reflect on the damage the media narrative does.
 >
 > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:30 PM Nate Burke
 > wrote:
 >
 > Or there are just fewer people at higher latitudes.
 >
 > On 11/19/2021 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
 >> I have often wondered about a graph showing crime versus
 >> latitude.  Are colder areas more peaceful?
 >> *From:* Nate Burke
 >> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:18 PM
 >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
 >> It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also
is affected
 >> by their level of comfort.
 >>
 >> Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20
and it's
 >> probably one of the safest places.  (note- I've Done
this, didn't
 >> see a single person outside)
 >>
 >> On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
 >>> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
 >>> (I hope I don’t regret this)
 >>> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not
riots in
 >>> Wisconsin.
 >>> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE
MOMENT”.
 >>> Or “we ar

Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

Some day - in the not too distant future - they will perfect that brain wave 
reader/lie detector...

Should simplify the rape cases.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 3:02 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

Which brings us to a rich white kid raping 4 women and a judge saying
it's not worth jail time.  Sorry that we just don't have the country we
advertise.   This kid grows up and becomes exactly what you are talking
about.

On 11/19/21 1:57 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

George zimmerman was in no way caucasion
Odd statement to make a bout POC

If mawell doesnt hang herself before evidence is submitted, i hope we have 
a substantial increase in tragic suicides amongst the filthy rich. Ill 
always be poor so Ill never know how it is those mopes got to the point 
where doing what hey did seems acceptable. At some point I guess as youre 
wealth increases the more your lessers look like cattle to you, In that 
respect in adition the being effectively rapists, in their eyes theyre 
also into beastiality

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:46 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote:

Yeah, gonna have to disagree with you on that one Steve.
But lets’ get back to picking on Ghislane or the media.
Otherwise we are going to have the thermal breaker kill our power.
*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 2:42 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
other than that dumb lady climbing through a window into a secure
area there werent any insurrection related deaths.
the riot at the capitol is  a prime example of  the media breeding
strife, they call that an insurrection, but the attack on the
supreme court a protest (they just couldnt get through the door
because the wrists were too weak). Coequal branches, different
narratives, same intent.
On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 3:06 PM Robert Andrews
 wrote:

Aaaa now we've gone too far, because I want to respond
with the
insurrection deaths as part of this...

On 11/19/21 12:56 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
 > BLM didnt come today, something was told to the media about a
lack of
 > security.
 > I think that was the legit arm of BLM, the political activist
side.
 > They saw a lack of visible troops and know theyre about one
more brick
 > through a window from losing their voice (and cash flow)
 > This really disappointed every media outfit of a particular
slant. you
 > could hear the disappointment in their voice.
 >
 > The media is irritated that the trial was in november. Cold
rocks are
 > harder to throw. And this particular verdict would have been
guaranteed
 > to drive gunfights in the street. I wouldnt be surprised if
MSNBC doesnt
 > file a suit against the prosecutor for not bringing this to
trial in
 > better weather.
 >
 > It just sucks that 2 people had to die and guy become a
cripple to
 > remind people to stay in their own lane. Hopefully this will
give people
 > a winter to reflect on the damage the media narrative does.
 >
 > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:30 PM Nate Burke  > wrote:
 >
 > Or there are just fewer people at higher latitudes.
 >
 > On 11/19/2021 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
 >> I have often wondered about a graph showing crime versus
 >> latitude.  Are colder areas more peaceful?
 >> *From:* Nate Burke
 >> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 12:18 PM
 >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
 >> It's also 40 degrees outside, people rage level also is
affected
 >> by their level of comfort.
 >>
 >> Drive through Gary on a winters night when it's -20 and 
it's

 >> probably one of the safest places.  (note- I've Done this,
didn't
 >> see a single person outside)
 >>
 >> On 11/19/2021 1:07 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
 >>> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
 >>> (I hope I don’t regret this)
 >>> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots 
in

 >>> Wisconsin.
 >>> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
 >>> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for
violence”.
 >>> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get 
violent”

 >>> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are
sick of riots.
 >>> But the media are certainly not sick of them.

Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

2021-11-19 Thread Jason McKemie

I couldn't agree more. I think when you walk around in a potentially
volatile situation (or really any public situation) with a loaded assault
rifle in-hand, you should be held responsible for what happens thereafter.

On Friday, November 19, 2021, Bill Prince  wrote:

> No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the
> young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the
> self-appointed "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said
> young twerp had stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one
> would have died, and maybe a few windows might have been broken.
>
> I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>
> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>
> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>
> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

so you believe that your constitutionally re-affirmed rights should be
infringed because others may misbehave? interesting take. The simps
response is always "but you cant yell fire in a theater" thats a direct
action, not a simple presence of right and very simplike and well trained
response thats as effective as viagra in a fish tank.

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:18 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I couldn't agree more. I think when you walk around in a potentially
> volatile situation (or really any public situation) with a loaded assault
> rifle in-hand, you should be held responsible for what happens thereafter.
>
> On Friday, November 19, 2021, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the
>> young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the
>> self-appointed "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said
>> young twerp had stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one
>> would have died, and maybe a few windows might have been broken.
>>
>> I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>>
>> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>>
>> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>>
>> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
>> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
>> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
>> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
>> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

2021-11-19 Thread Jason McKemie

Open carry isn't legal here as far as I know...

On Friday, November 19, 2021, Steve Jones  wrote:

> so you believe that your constitutionally re-affirmed rights should be
> infringed because others may misbehave? interesting take. The simps
> response is always "but you cant yell fire in a theater" thats a direct
> action, not a simple presence of right and very simplike and well trained
> response thats as effective as viagra in a fish tank.
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:18 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I couldn't agree more. I think when you walk around in a potentially
>> volatile situation (or really any public situation) with a loaded assault
>> rifle in-hand, you should be held responsible for what happens thereafter.
>>
>> On Friday, November 19, 2021, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the
>>> young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the
>>> self-appointed "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said
>>> young twerp had stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one
>>> would have died, and maybe a few windows might have been broken.
>>>
>>> I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>>
>>> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>>>
>>> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>>>
>>> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>>>
>>> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
>>> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
>>> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
>>> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
>>> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

where are you at?


On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:26 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Open carry isn't legal here as far as I know...
>
> On Friday, November 19, 2021, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> so you believe that your constitutionally re-affirmed rights should be
>> infringed because others may misbehave? interesting take. The simps
>> response is always "but you cant yell fire in a theater" thats a direct
>> action, not a simple presence of right and very simplike and well trained
>> response thats as effective as viagra in a fish tank.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:18 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I couldn't agree more. I think when you walk around in a potentially
>>> volatile situation (or really any public situation) with a loaded assault
>>> rifle in-hand, you should be held responsible for what happens thereafter.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 19, 2021, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
 No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the
 young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the
 self-appointed "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said
 young twerp had stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one
 would have died, and maybe a few windows might have been broken.

 I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.


 bp
 

 On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

 Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:

 (I hope I don’t regret this)

 The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.

 Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
 Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
 Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
 It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
 But the media are certainly not sick of them.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

2021-11-19 Thread Mathew Howard

It is here in Wisconsin, which is what matters in this case.

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:26 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Open carry isn't legal here as far as I know...
>
> On Friday, November 19, 2021, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> so you believe that your constitutionally re-affirmed rights should be
>> infringed because others may misbehave? interesting take. The simps
>> response is always "but you cant yell fire in a theater" thats a direct
>> action, not a simple presence of right and very simplike and well trained
>> response thats as effective as viagra in a fish tank.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:18 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I couldn't agree more. I think when you walk around in a potentially
>>> volatile situation (or really any public situation) with a loaded assault
>>> rifle in-hand, you should be held responsible for what happens thereafter.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 19, 2021, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
 No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the
 young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the
 self-appointed "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said
 young twerp had stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one
 would have died, and maybe a few windows might have been broken.

 I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.


 bp
 

 On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

 Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:

 (I hope I don’t regret this)

 The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.

 Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
 Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
 Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
 It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
 But the media are certainly not sick of them.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

Interesting.  I don’t know much about the subject but presumed open carry is 
legal everywhere in the US?

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 3:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

Open carry isn't legal here as far as I know...

On Friday, November 19, 2021, Steve Jones  wrote:

  so you believe that your constitutionally re-affirmed rights should be 
infringed because others may misbehave? interesting take. The simps response is 
always "but you cant yell fire in a theater" thats a direct action, not a 
simple presence of right and very simplike and well trained response thats as 
effective as viagra in a fish tank.

  On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:18 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

I couldn't agree more. I think when you walk around in a potentially 
volatile situation (or really any public situation) with a loaded assault rifle 
in-hand, you should be held responsible for what happens thereafter.

On Friday, November 19, 2021, Bill Prince  wrote:

  No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the 
young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the self-appointed 
"police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said young twerp had 
stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one would have died, and 
maybe a few windows might have been broken. 

  I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.

bp
On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:

(I hope I don’t regret this)

The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.

Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.  
Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.  
But the media are certainly not sick of them.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

NM, looks like IL too (fyi your website is redirecting to and RX)

We are conceal carry w/ permit

80 percent cover and it can be a trash bag.

No open carry yet

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:29 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> where are you at?
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:26 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Open carry isn't legal here as far as I know...
>>
>> On Friday, November 19, 2021, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> so you believe that your constitutionally re-affirmed rights should be
>>> infringed because others may misbehave? interesting take. The simps
>>> response is always "but you cant yell fire in a theater" thats a direct
>>> action, not a simple presence of right and very simplike and well trained
>>> response thats as effective as viagra in a fish tank.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:18 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 I couldn't agree more. I think when you walk around in a potentially
 volatile situation (or really any public situation) with a loaded assault
 rifle in-hand, you should be held responsible for what happens thereafter.

 On Friday, November 19, 2021, Bill Prince  wrote:

> No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the
> young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the
> self-appointed "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said
> young twerp had stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one
> would have died, and maybe a few windows might have been broken.
>
> I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>
> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>
> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>
> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

In Utah we have concealed carry without a permit.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 3:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

NM, looks like IL too (fyi your website is redirecting to and RX)  

We are conceal carry w/ permit

80 percent cover and it can be a trash bag.

No open carry yet

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:29 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  where are you at? 

  On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:26 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

Open carry isn't legal here as far as I know...

On Friday, November 19, 2021, Steve Jones  wrote:

  so you believe that your constitutionally re-affirmed rights should be 
infringed because others may misbehave? interesting take. The simps response is 
always "but you cant yell fire in a theater" thats a direct action, not a 
simple presence of right and very simplike and well trained response thats as 
effective as viagra in a fish tank.

  On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:18 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

I couldn't agree more. I think when you walk around in a potentially 
volatile situation (or really any public situation) with a loaded assault rifle 
in-hand, you should be held responsible for what happens thereafter.

On Friday, November 19, 2021, Bill Prince  wrote:

  No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the 
young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the self-appointed 
"police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said young twerp had 
stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one would have died, and 
maybe a few windows might have been broken. 

  I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.

bp
On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:

(I hope I don’t regret this)

The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in 
Wisconsin.

Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.  
Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of 
riots.  
But the media are certainly not sick of them.  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

2021-11-19 Thread Jason McKemie

I'm speaking to the constitutional argument, not this case.

On Friday, November 19, 2021, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> It is here in Wisconsin, which is what matters in this case.
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:26 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Open carry isn't legal here as far as I know...
>>
>> On Friday, November 19, 2021, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> so you believe that your constitutionally re-affirmed rights should be
>>> infringed because others may misbehave? interesting take. The simps
>>> response is always "but you cant yell fire in a theater" thats a direct
>>> action, not a simple presence of right and very simplike and well trained
>>> response thats as effective as viagra in a fish tank.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:18 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 I couldn't agree more. I think when you walk around in a potentially
 volatile situation (or really any public situation) with a loaded assault
 rifle in-hand, you should be held responsible for what happens thereafter.

 On Friday, November 19, 2021, Bill Prince  wrote:

> No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the
> young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the
> self-appointed "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said
> young twerp had stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one
> would have died, and maybe a few windows might have been broken.
>
> I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>
> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>
> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>
> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

looks like youre effectively constitutional carry

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/ut-gun-laws/

Ohio just did or is about to do permitless conceal carry IIRC. Most of the
nation is trending toward constitutional carry and restrictive gun laws
keep getting put to bed


On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:36 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> In Utah we have concealed carry without a permit.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 3:32 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
>
> NM, looks like IL too (fyi your website is redirecting to and RX)
>
> We are conceal carry w/ permit
>
> 80 percent cover and it can be a trash bag.
>
> No open carry yet
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:29 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> where are you at?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:26 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Open carry isn't legal here as far as I know...
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 19, 2021, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 so you believe that your constitutionally re-affirmed rights should be
 infringed because others may misbehave? interesting take. The simps
 response is always "but you cant yell fire in a theater" thats a direct
 action, not a simple presence of right and very simplike and well trained
 response thats as effective as viagra in a fish tank.

 On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:18 PM Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I couldn't agree more. I think when you walk around in a potentially
> volatile situation (or really any public situation) with a loaded assault
> rifle in-hand, you should be held responsible for what happens thereafter.
>
> On Friday, November 19, 2021, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the
>> young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the
>> self-appointed "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said
>> young twerp had stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one
>> would have died, and maybe a few windows might have been broken.
>>
>> I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>>
>> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>>
>> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>>
>> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
>> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
>> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
>> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
>> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

constitutionally a baby can carry a gun, literally that simple.

Theres a perfect example going on this moment in kenosha of you needing to
put your money where your mouth is

Due to the extended presence of constitutionally affirmed actions (freedom
of assembly) EMS response is delayed, specifically to the courthouse area.
A second person just had a seizure. There was a delay in EMS providing care
and transport. According to your argument, each person there is responsible
for the delay in care and should be held accountable for any negative
outcome for the individual doing the floppy crappie.

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:37 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'm speaking to the constitutional argument, not this case.
>
> On Friday, November 19, 2021, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
>> It is here in Wisconsin, which is what matters in this case.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:26 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Open carry isn't legal here as far as I know...
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 19, 2021, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 so you believe that your constitutionally re-affirmed rights should be
 infringed because others may misbehave? interesting take. The simps
 response is always "but you cant yell fire in a theater" thats a direct
 action, not a simple presence of right and very simplike and well trained
 response thats as effective as viagra in a fish tank.

 On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:18 PM Jason McKemie <
 j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I couldn't agree more. I think when you walk around in a potentially
> volatile situation (or really any public situation) with a loaded assault
> rifle in-hand, you should be held responsible for what happens thereafter.
>
> On Friday, November 19, 2021, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that the
>> young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the
>> self-appointed "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If said
>> young twerp had stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one
>> would have died, and maybe a few windows might have been broken.
>>
>> I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>>
>> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>>
>> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>>
>> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
>> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
>> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
>> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
>> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

2021-11-19 Thread castarritt

Rittenhouse, Sandmann Agree To Share Joint Custody Of CNN
- The Babylon Bee

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:44 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> constitutionally a baby can carry a gun, literally that simple.
>
> Theres a perfect example going on this moment in kenosha of you needing to
> put your money where your mouth is
>
> Due to the extended presence of constitutionally affirmed actions (freedom
> of assembly) EMS response is delayed, specifically to the courthouse area.
> A second person just had a seizure. There was a delay in EMS providing care
> and transport. According to your argument, each person there is responsible
> for the delay in care and should be held accountable for any negative
> outcome for the individual doing the floppy crappie.
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:37 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm speaking to the constitutional argument, not this case.
>>
>> On Friday, November 19, 2021, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> It is here in Wisconsin, which is what matters in this case.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:26 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
 Open carry isn't legal here as far as I know...

 On Friday, November 19, 2021, Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> so you believe that your constitutionally re-affirmed rights should be
> infringed because others may misbehave? interesting take. The simps
> response is always "but you cant yell fire in a theater" thats a direct
> action, not a simple presence of right and very simplike and well trained
> response thats as effective as viagra in a fish tank.
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 4:18 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> I couldn't agree more. I think when you walk around in a potentially
>> volatile situation (or really any public situation) with a loaded assault
>> rifle in-hand, you should be held responsible for what happens 
>> thereafter.
>>
>> On Friday, November 19, 2021, Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No comments on the riots or lack thereof, but it seems to me that
>>> the young twerp crossed state lines with a semi-automatic to be the
>>> self-appointed "police", and as a result a couple of people died. If 
>>> said
>>> young twerp had stayed home and watched Chuck Norris on TV, maybe no one
>>> would have died, and maybe a few windows might have been broken.
>>>
>>> I do not hold windows and lives as equivalent.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 11/19/2021 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>>
>>> Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>>>
>>> (I hope I don’t regret this)
>>>
>>> The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in
>>> Wisconsin.
>>>
>>> Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
>>> Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
>>> Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
>>> It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of
>>> riots.
>>> But the media are certainly not sick of them.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

POC mass shooters are the most common type of mass shooter. They make it
out of the street alive all the time, then everyone in the neighborhood
refuses to admit they saw anything.

A POC in a BLM crowd would have been killed? It was a literal BLM riot.
Interesting take on BLM. I had been under the impression they were for not
killing black folk.

This thread is perfect example of media training.

This trial showed the value of on the ground footage (and what risks there
are when corrupt officers dont serve search warrants for further footage
because it wont suit their narrative).

Without live streamers the media completely false and divisive narrative
about almost every aspect of this case from the get go would have been
allowed to continue. Even here, with evidence to the contrary presented in
a court of law,and not disputed by the prosecution, the false narrative
that the gun crossed state lines perseveres. That's why the stuff there was
footage obtained of is so critical.

It raises a curious question about what we know of even recent, pre
smartphone history (as history is written by the victors, which in this
case was almost the media)

At least when paparazzi killed princess dianna they had the wherewithal to
destroy any incriminating imagery.

Watergate would have gone differently because one of them would have been
in the background doing selfie vids yelling "worldstar"

911 we would have more on plane footage, maybe even see the CIA guys with
their parachutes.

We would definitely know if there was a guy on the grassy knoll.

Lies are getting harder to perpetuate.
The innocenceproject.org may eventually have to close its doors, and I dont
think that would bother them one bit.

The lack of riots today may be an indicator of turning tides with a case
that proved beyond any reasonable doubt that the media is blatantly telling
lies on the daily (even speeding down dark streets attempting to dox jurors)

It could very well be that BLM took a hard look in the mirror and realized
this case proves what a fraud theyve become, what a laughing stock they
are, because they hop skip for the media right on queue, used to be called
shuckin and jivin. Maybe they chose legitimacy. You can rest assured, the
media titans pulling their strings dont share their melanin content or care
about any color other than green.

Imagine having the media apparatus in the last century that we have today.
Rosa parks would have been
A domestic terrorist who tried to hijack a bus (remembering that at that
time, the kkk was prevalent across the media and government)
They would not have simply showed what was happening, and there would have
been no live streamers on the ground to defeat the narrative that would
have been labeled something dispicable.

Maybe it's a positive day and we turned a corner. Today citizens regained a
whole lot of the constitutional republic.

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 3:47 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Even if he did and assuming the trial went the same way (which it would
> not
> have), today would not have been peaceful.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 2:44 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
>
> He wouldn't have made it out of the street alive..
>
> On 11/19/21 1:41 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> > I am absolutely certain of that.
> > *From:* Jaime Solorza
> > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 2:39 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
> > Sorry dudes but had he been a person of color this would have been way
> > different...
> > Facts are behind me...
> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 12:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
> > (I hope I don’t regret this)
> > The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in
> Wisconsin.
> > Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
> > Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
> > Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
> > It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
> > But the media are certainly not sick of them.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

PS, the constitutional republic once again rises to the occasion to dispel
the media taught narratives. I really hope the well trained parrots stop
repeating what they're told.

https://www.wpbf.com/article/andrew-coffee-not-guilty-on-all-counts/38304640


Today was a good day for the republic, despite the race baiters lies.

On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 7:26 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> POC mass shooters are the most common type of mass shooter. They make it
> out of the street alive all the time, then everyone in the neighborhood
> refuses to admit they saw anything.
>
> A POC in a BLM crowd would have been killed? It was a literal BLM riot.
> Interesting take on BLM. I had been under the impression they were for not
> killing black folk.
>
> This thread is perfect example of media training.
>
> This trial showed the value of on the ground footage (and what risks there
> are when corrupt officers dont serve search warrants for further footage
> because it wont suit their narrative).
>
> Without live streamers the media completely false and divisive narrative
> about almost every aspect of this case from the get go would have been
> allowed to continue. Even here, with evidence to the contrary presented in
> a court of law,and not disputed by the prosecution, the false narrative
> that the gun crossed state lines perseveres. That's why the stuff there was
> footage obtained of is so critical.
>
> It raises a curious question about what we know of even recent, pre
> smartphone history (as history is written by the victors, which in this
> case was almost the media)
>
> At least when paparazzi killed princess dianna they had the wherewithal to
> destroy any incriminating imagery.
>
> Watergate would have gone differently because one of them would have been
> in the background doing selfie vids yelling "worldstar"
>
> 911 we would have more on plane footage, maybe even see the CIA guys with
> their parachutes.
>
> We would definitely know if there was a guy on the grassy knoll.
>
> Lies are getting harder to perpetuate.
> The innocenceproject.org may eventually have to close its doors, and I
> dont think that would bother them one bit.
>
> The lack of riots today may be an indicator of turning tides with a case
> that proved beyond any reasonable doubt that the media is blatantly telling
> lies on the daily (even speeding down dark streets attempting to dox jurors)
>
> It could very well be that BLM took a hard look in the mirror and realized
> this case proves what a fraud theyve become, what a laughing stock they
> are, because they hop skip for the media right on queue, used to be called
> shuckin and jivin. Maybe they chose legitimacy. You can rest assured, the
> media titans pulling their strings dont share their melanin content or care
> about any color other than green.
>
> Imagine having the media apparatus in the last century that we have today.
> Rosa parks would have been
> A domestic terrorist who tried to hijack a bus (remembering that at that
> time, the kkk was prevalent across the media and government)
> They would not have simply showed what was happening, and there would have
> been no live streamers on the ground to defeat the narrative that would
> have been labeled something dispicable.
>
> Maybe it's a positive day and we turned a corner. Today citizens regained
> a whole lot of the constitutional republic.
>
> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 3:47 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> Even if he did and assuming the trial went the same way (which it would
>> not
>> have), today would not have been peaceful.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 2:44 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
>>
>> He wouldn't have made it out of the street alive..
>>
>> On 11/19/21 1:41 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> > I am absolutely certain of that.
>> > *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 2:39 PM
>> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
>> > Sorry dudes but had he been a person of color this would have been way
>> > different...
>> > Facts are behind me...
>> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 12:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>> > (I hope I don’t regret this)
>> > The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in
>> Wisconsin.
>> > Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
>> > Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
>> > Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
>> > It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
>> > But the media are certainly not sick of them.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fax Machines

2021-11-19 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 11/19/21 11:16 AM, Daniel White wrote:
If they insist on fax and the volume isn't crazy, HTTPS fax is an 
awesome solution for this.  We have never had an issue with it, and we 
have 100+ ATAs out there using it in all sorts of situations.



I actually wrote a HTTP fax gateway for a customer once. Send it PDFs 
and a phone number, and it would feed it into hylafax/asterisk to fax 
it. Worked great.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent

How do you really feel Steve?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2021, at 6:26 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> POC mass shooters are the most common type of mass shooter. They make it out 
> of the street alive all the time, then everyone in the neighborhood refuses 
> to admit they saw anything.
> 
> A POC in a BLM crowd would have been killed? It was a literal BLM riot. 
> Interesting take on BLM. I had been under the impression they were for not 
> killing black folk.
> 
> This thread is perfect example of media training.
> 
> This trial showed the value of on the ground footage (and what risks there 
> are when corrupt officers dont serve search warrants for further footage 
> because it wont suit their narrative).
> 
> Without live streamers the media completely false and divisive narrative 
> about almost every aspect of this case from the get go would have been 
> allowed to continue. Even here, with evidence to the contrary presented in a 
> court of law,and not disputed by the prosecution, the false narrative that 
> the gun crossed state lines perseveres. That's why the stuff there was 
> footage obtained of is so critical.
> 
> It raises a curious question about what we know of even recent, pre 
> smartphone history (as history is written by the victors, which in this case 
> was almost the media)
> 
> At least when paparazzi killed princess dianna they had the wherewithal to 
> destroy any incriminating imagery.
> 
> Watergate would have gone differently because one of them would have been in 
> the background doing selfie vids yelling "worldstar"
> 
> 911 we would have more on plane footage, maybe even see the CIA guys with 
> their parachutes.
> 
> We would definitely know if there was a guy on the grassy knoll.
> 
> Lies are getting harder to perpetuate.
> The innocenceproject.org may eventually have to close its doors, and I dont 
> think that would bother them one bit.
> 
> The lack of riots today may be an indicator of turning tides with a case that 
> proved beyond any reasonable doubt that the media is blatantly telling lies 
> on the daily (even speeding down dark streets attempting to dox jurors)
> 
> It could very well be that BLM took a hard look in the mirror and realized 
> this case proves what a fraud theyve become, what a laughing stock they are, 
> because they hop skip for the media right on queue, used to be called shuckin 
> and jivin. Maybe they chose legitimacy. You can rest assured, the media 
> titans pulling their strings dont share their melanin content or care about 
> any color other than green.
> 
> Imagine having the media apparatus in the last century that we have today. 
> Rosa parks would have been
> A domestic terrorist who tried to hijack a bus (remembering that at that 
> time, the kkk was prevalent across the media and government)
> They would not have simply showed what was happening, and there would have 
> been no live streamers on the ground to defeat the narrative that would have 
> been labeled something dispicable. 
> 
> Maybe it's a positive day and we turned a corner. Today citizens regained a 
> whole lot of the constitutional republic.
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 3:47 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>> Even if he did and assuming the trial went the same way (which it would not 
>> have), today would not have been peaceful.
>> 
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 2:44 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
>> 
>> He wouldn't have made it out of the street alive..
>> 
>> On 11/19/21 1:41 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> > I am absolutely certain of that.
>> > *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2021 2:39 PM
>> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT breaking lent
>> > Sorry dudes but had he been a person of color this would have been way 
>> > different...
>> > Facts are behind me...
>> > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021, 12:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Forgive me, but I want to make this comment:
>> > (I hope I don’t regret this)
>> > The news media seem heartbroken that there are not riots in Wisconsin.
>> > Using lots of phrases like: “pretty calm – AT THE MOMENT”.
>> > Or “we are hunkered down in a safe place, prepared for violence”.
>> > Or “Maybe there is a small number that want to get violent”
>> > It appears to be calm there.  I am hopeful people are sick of riots.
>> > But the media are certainly not sick of them.
>> > -- 
>> > AF mailing list
>> > AF@af.afmug.com
>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>> > 
>> >
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