Re: [AFMUG] OT Machinery colors

[Jaime Solorza]

Real men wear pink

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022, 2:37 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Make it pink and own the brand.  Either that or that safety green/yellow
> color I'm sure you are seeing all over the ski slopes these days.  That
> might be expensive paint but it would make a statement.
>
> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 11:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a new product, larger than anything I have made before.  It is a
>> self propelled grout mixer similar to the Ditch Witch R300 with a 1CM mixer
>> attachment.  I have some significant improvements over their product but
>> they both do the same thing and look a bit similar.  Our attach method
>> between the grout mixing tub attachment and the rest of the machine is
>> almost identical to DW to allow interchangeability between brands.  Similar
>> to a universal skid steer attachment.This is a high demand machine for
>> the micro trenching world.
>>
>> I am at the point where I have to choose a color for the machine.  I will
>> avoid Ditch Witch colors.  The John Deere trademark decision says I could
>> paint it green but not the same green with yellow of JD equipment.
>>
>> I hate to paint it the generic cat/JD/vermeer type of yellow that
>> everyone else seems to use.  It is not agricultural so probably not JD
>> green.  Not sure if Ford blue communicates solid USA made good stuff.
>> Thinking Kubota orange, but does that communicate inferior Kubota?  Years
>> ago Kubota was truly inferior but now-a days they make good stuff.
>>
>> It will soon get lots of grout spatter on the outside.  Almost impossible
>> to keep these things spotless.  So darker colors will emphasize the mess.
>> Could paint it concrete gray to minimize that but that does not excite me
>> at all.
>>
>> What color makes you think “solid, American Made, durable, good value”?
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck McCown
>> McCown Technology Corporation
>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
>> 801-250-9503
>> 435-830-4306 cell
>> www.mccowntech.com
>> www.microtrench-blades.com
>> www.terabitnetworks.com
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Re: [AFMUG] Multicast Over Wireless

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Thanks for that well written explanation.  Someone else described it as a
last hop router.  Yeah I used IGMP capable switches so that won't be an
issue.

Yes we use VLC for multicast testing.   The partner we are with does this
already but it all sort of is in a flat switched network.  So I've had some
limited experience.  I'd be curious to see if they actually have an (RP)
already and if you can relay those requests across multiple tik routers.

Yeah our apps use HLS and DASH.  I knew the claim that they could do
multicast was wrong.   I just thought maybe someone pulled it off.

Yeah not interested in transmuxing again!  We already spend a wad of cash
on our current INCA / WISI implementation for all of that to create
profiles.  But it was a joint venture so the equipment isn't onsite.

Thank you again this clarified everything for me.   Unfortunately with
Mikrotik I'll need to do it the hard way, which is a good way to learn the
ins and outs.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 6:19 PM Jesse DuPont 
wrote:

> Yes, Sparse mode is what you need. If you have Mikrotik routers at your
> sites, you'd want to get the Multicast package installed on the routers (at
> least those which would transit your multicast streams). You'll have a bit
> of work to setup PIM, particularly related to the Rendezvous Point. Cisco
> has a quasi-automatic way of doing it, but on Mikrotik you'll have to do it
> manually. Essentially, the RP (rendezvous point) is a router that can see
> all the multicast you have and all the routers between the RP and any
> device that would request the multicast stream need to have PIM running.
> Those routers will listen for IGMP join requests and send the requested
> multicast group (i.e. stream) towards the direction of the requestor. Also,
> make sure you allow all the PIM-related communications as well as IGMP
> messages in the input chain of the Mikrotiks. PIM is similar to OSPF or LDP
> in that it uses unsolicited UDP multicasts to create neighbor relationships
> and IGMP's are also multicast.
>
> If you have switches between the routers and the AP's, if they're managed
> switches and they support IGMP snooping, you'll want to turn that on so it
> only sends multicast out ports that are towards a requestor. If they're not
> managed or don't support IGMP snooping, they'll just send whatever
> multicast comes into them out all ports.
>
> In the APs, I don't know exactly how Cambium handles multicast, but
> generally, multicast data is sent at the lowest (or low) MCS rate in
> wireless APs so it is more reliable. In this case, you'd want the multicast
> to be sent over the air at a high MCS rate so there was enough bandwidth
> for the stream. In UBNT, it's called Multicast Enhancement.
>
> The trick for you is getting something on the requestor end that knows
> what to do with a multicast stream. You can test it using VLC on a computer
> by joining the multicast group by telling VLC to open a network source with
> a URL like "udp://239.255.255.20:8100" (insert your multicast group IP
> and port here). VLC will send the IGMP join request, IGMP-aware router will
> hear it, and start sending it to VLC. The quickest way to test it is to be
> on the same L2 network as a Mikrotik and see if you get the stream. If PIM
> is working, you should. Then you can try to get behind an IGMP-aware RG
> (i.e. router) and see how it works for you. You'll also be able to watch
> the mechanics of PIM work, too, which is kind of cool.
>
> On the device-side of things, I don't think Firesticks, Apple TVs or
> Roku's support multicast video, only HLS. Even if they did, you'd need some
> kind of UI that had a mapping between channels and multicast groups/ports
> (i.e. Channel X is at multicast group address Y and port Z) and tune to it.
> I think you'd need some kind of a true set top box like an Amino to have it
> pull multicast.
>
> You could deploy a Wowza server. It could transmux the multicast streams
> into HLS streams and be a streaming media server (I'm ignoring scaling this
> at the moment). But if the video codec was something typical of IPTV (MPEG2
> with AC3 audio), then just transmuxing it won't likely be of any help
> because the video bitrate would be too high. You'd also need to transcoded
> at least the video to H.264 so the bitrate was reasonable (the AC3 audio
> can stay, all the above devices can deal with that). Obviously I'm making a
> lot of assumptions about your situation, but you get the idea.
> 
>
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>
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> On 2/23/22 2:43 PM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
>
> Yeah just read up on it sounds exactly what I need.  It basically is a
> pull mode which is exactly what I'm looking for.  So if it is a pull, I'm
> going to need to get it to something to pull from.
>
> Its time to RTFM 

Re: [AFMUG] Multicast Over Wireless

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
Yes, Sparse mode is what you need. If you have
  Mikrotik routers at your sites, you'd want to get the Multicast
  package installed on the routers (at least those which would
  transit your multicast streams). You'll have a bit of work to
  setup PIM, particularly related to the Rendezvous Point. Cisco has
  a quasi-automatic way of doing it, but on Mikrotik you'll have to
  do it manually. Essentially, the RP (rendezvous point) is a router
  that can see all the multicast you have and all the routers
  between the RP and any device that would request the multicast
  stream need to have PIM running. Those routers will listen for IGMP join requests
and send the requested multicast group (i.e. stream) towards the
direction of the requestor. Also, make sure you allow
  all the PIM-related communications as well as IGMP messages in the
  input chain of the Mikrotiks. PIM is similar to OSPF or LDP in
  that it uses unsolicited UDP multicasts to create neighbor
  relationships and IGMP's are also multicast.
  
  If you have switches between the routers and the AP's, if they're
  managed switches and they support IGMP snooping, you'll want to
  turn that on so it only sends multicast out ports that are towards
  a requestor. If they're not managed or don't support IGMP
  snooping, they'll just send whatever multicast comes into them out
  all ports.
  
  In the APs, I don't know exactly how Cambium handles multicast,
  but generally, multicast data is sent at the lowest (or low) MCS
  rate in wireless APs so it is more reliable. In this case, you'd
  want the multicast to be sent over the air at a high MCS rate so
  there was enough bandwidth for the stream. In UBNT, it's called
  Multicast Enhancement.
  
  The trick for you is getting something on the requestor end that
  knows what to do with a multicast stream. You can test it using
  VLC on a computer by joining the multicast group by telling VLC to
  open a network source with a URL like "udp://239.255.255.20:8100"
  (insert your multicast group IP and port here). VLC will send the
  IGMP join request, IGMP-aware router will hear it, and start
  sending it to VLC. The quickest way to test it is to be on the
  same L2 network as a Mikrotik and see if you get the stream. If
  PIM is working, you should. Then you can try to get behind an
  IGMP-aware RG (i.e. router) and see how it works for you. You'll
  also be able to watch the mechanics of PIM work, too, which is
  kind of cool.
  
  On the device-side of things, I don't think Firesticks, Apple TVs
  or Roku's support multicast video, only HLS. Even if they did,
  you'd need some kind of UI that had a mapping between channels and
  multicast groups/ports (i.e. Channel X is at multicast group
  address Y and port Z) and tune to it. I think you'd need some kind
  of a true set top box like an Amino to have it pull multicast.
  
  You could deploy a Wowza server. It could transmux the multicast
  streams into HLS streams and be a streaming media server (I'm
  ignoring scaling this at the moment). But if the video codec was
  something typical of IPTV (MPEG2 with AC3 audio), then just
  transmuxing it won't likely be of any help because the video
  bitrate would be too high. You'd also need to transcoded at least
  the video to H.264 so the bitrate was reasonable (the AC3 audio
  can stay, all the above devices can deal with that). Obviously I'm
  making a lot of assumptions about your situation, but you get the
  idea.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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On 2/23/22 2:43 PM, Steven Kenney via
  AF wrote:


  
  
Yeah
  just read up on it sounds exactly what I need.  It basically
  is a pull mode which is exactly what I'm looking for.  So if
  it is a pull, I'm going to need to get it to something to pull
  from.  


Its
  time to RTFM methinks.. :) 
  
  
  
On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 4:40
  PM Chuck McCown 
  wrote:


  

  
This might be a clue:
PIM
Sparse Mode (PIM-SM) is a
multicast routing protocol designed on the
   

Re: [AFMUG] Multicast Over Wireless

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Yeah just read up on it sounds exactly what I need.  It basically is a pull
mode which is exactly what I'm looking for.  So if it is a pull, I'm going
to need to get it to something to pull from.

Its time to RTFM methinks.. :)

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 4:40 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> This might be a clue:
> PIM Sparse Mode (PIM-SM) is *a multicast routing protocol designed on the
> assumption that recipients for any particular multicast group will be
> sparsely distributed throughout the network*. In other words, it is
> assumed that most subnets in the network will not want any given multicast
> packet.
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 23, 2022 2:32 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Steven Kenney
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Multicast Over Wireless
>
> So we are delivering IPTV unicast at the moment but I do have the ability
> to receive all the multicast streams.  So I had been toying with the idea
> of actually using Multicast over wireless.
>
> I can get the multicast to the towers without an issue.   Once it hits a
> Cambium AP (either 450 or ePMP) I'm not entirely sure how I can deliver
> this to my customers because the totality of the streams are in excess of
> 1Gbps.  So being a bit new to multicast it makes me wonder how you could
> get an end user device to join a multicast stream...without a set top box.
>
> So we use Fire Sticks,  Roku, Apple TV all over the top.  I don't think
> the app even supports multicast yet.  But I've been told it can be done,
> potentially at the router.
>
> Is this madness or is it really possible?  How would a home router be able
> to convert and request joins of streams and deliver it unicast to multiple
> devices in the LAN?
>
> I definitely need to read up in IGMP in detail as to its sparse and dense
> modes.  Right now we'd be receiving it all in dense mode.
>
> Anyone out there actually successfully deliver multicast via Cambium at
> this scale? (over 1Gbps stream data)
>
> --
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Re: [AFMUG] Multicast Over Wireless

[Chuck McCown via AF]

This might be a clue:
PIM Sparse Mode (PIM-SM) is a multicast routing protocol designed on the 
assumption that recipients for any particular multicast group will be sparsely 
distributed throughout the network. In other words, it is assumed that most 
subnets in the network will not want any given multicast packet.

From: Steven Kenney via AF 
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 2:32 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Steven Kenney 
Subject: [AFMUG] Multicast Over Wireless

So we are delivering IPTV unicast at the moment but I do have the ability to 
receive all the multicast streams.  So I had been toying with the idea of 
actually using Multicast over wireless.  

I can get the multicast to the towers without an issue.   Once it hits a 
Cambium AP (either 450 or ePMP) I'm not entirely sure how I can deliver this to 
my customers because the totality of the streams are in excess of 1Gbps.  So 
being a bit new to multicast it makes me wonder how you could get an end user 
device to join a multicast stream...without a set top box. 

So we use Fire Sticks,  Roku, Apple TV all over the top.  I don't think the app 
even supports multicast yet.  But I've been told it can be done, potentially at 
the router.  

Is this madness or is it really possible?  How would a home router be able to 
convert and request joins of streams and deliver it unicast to multiple devices 
in the LAN? 

I definitely need to read up in IGMP in detail as to its sparse and dense 
modes.  Right now we'd be receiving it all in dense mode.  

Anyone out there actually successfully deliver multicast via Cambium at this 
scale? (over 1Gbps stream data) 

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Re: [AFMUG] Multicast Over Wireless

[Steven Kenney via AF]

Also I'm aware I can use Mikrotik for actually routing Multicast as well
and I can use sparse mode to limit what is needed.  I'm still curious to
see how all of you have done this as a WISP.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 4:32 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> So we are delivering IPTV unicast at the moment but I do have the ability
> to receive all the multicast streams.  So I had been toying with the idea
> of actually using Multicast over wireless.
>
> I can get the multicast to the towers without an issue.   Once it hits a
> Cambium AP (either 450 or ePMP) I'm not entirely sure how I can deliver
> this to my customers because the totality of the streams are in excess of
> 1Gbps.  So being a bit new to multicast it makes me wonder how you could
> get an end user device to join a multicast stream...without a set top box.
>
> So we use Fire Sticks,  Roku, Apple TV all over the top.  I don't think
> the app even supports multicast yet.  But I've been told it can be done,
> potentially at the router.
>
> Is this madness or is it really possible?  How would a home router be able
> to convert and request joins of streams and deliver it unicast to multiple
> devices in the LAN?
>
> I definitely need to read up in IGMP in detail as to its sparse and dense
> modes.  Right now we'd be receiving it all in dense mode.
>
> Anyone out there actually successfully deliver multicast via Cambium at
> this scale? (over 1Gbps stream data)
>
> --
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>
>
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>
>
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>
> 158 Erie Street. N, Leamington
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Machinery colors

[Carl Peterson]

Make it pink and own the brand.  Either that or that safety green/yellow
color I'm sure you are seeing all over the ski slopes these days.  That
might be expensive paint but it would make a statement.

On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 11:18 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> I have a new product, larger than anything I have made before.  It is a
> self propelled grout mixer similar to the Ditch Witch R300 with a 1CM mixer
> attachment.  I have some significant improvements over their product but
> they both do the same thing and look a bit similar.  Our attach method
> between the grout mixing tub attachment and the rest of the machine is
> almost identical to DW to allow interchangeability between brands.  Similar
> to a universal skid steer attachment.This is a high demand machine for
> the micro trenching world.
>
> I am at the point where I have to choose a color for the machine.  I will
> avoid Ditch Witch colors.  The John Deere trademark decision says I could
> paint it green but not the same green with yellow of JD equipment.
>
> I hate to paint it the generic cat/JD/vermeer type of yellow that everyone
> else seems to use.  It is not agricultural so probably not JD green.  Not
> sure if Ford blue communicates solid USA made good stuff.  Thinking Kubota
> orange, but does that communicate inferior Kubota?  Years ago Kubota was
> truly inferior but now-a days they make good stuff.
>
> It will soon get lots of grout spatter on the outside.  Almost impossible
> to keep these things spotless.  So darker colors will emphasize the mess.
> Could paint it concrete gray to minimize that but that does not excite me
> at all.
>
> What color makes you think “solid, American Made, durable, good value”?
>
>
>
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> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
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[AFMUG] Multicast Over Wireless

[Steven Kenney via AF]

So we are delivering IPTV unicast at the moment but I do have the ability
to receive all the multicast streams.  So I had been toying with the idea
of actually using Multicast over wireless.

I can get the multicast to the towers without an issue.   Once it hits a
Cambium AP (either 450 or ePMP) I'm not entirely sure how I can deliver
this to my customers because the totality of the streams are in excess of
1Gbps.  So being a bit new to multicast it makes me wonder how you could
get an end user device to join a multicast stream...without a set top box.

So we use Fire Sticks,  Roku, Apple TV all over the top.  I don't think the
app even supports multicast yet.  But I've been told it can be done,
potentially at the router.

Is this madness or is it really possible?  How would a home router be able
to convert and request joins of streams and deliver it unicast to multiple
devices in the LAN?

I definitely need to read up in IGMP in detail as to its sparse and dense
modes.  Right now we'd be receiving it all in dense mode.

Anyone out there actually successfully deliver multicast via Cambium at
this scale? (over 1Gbps stream data)

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Re: [AFMUG] AFL NID Alternatives

[Carl Peterson]

So the NID is just being used as a cross connect box and you want to put
something else in it to hold a coupler?  A fiber wall plate?
https://www.fibermint.com/product/fiber-optic-outlet/11-series/  Or a whole
8 port fiber enclosure with a built in splice tray etc
https://www.fibermint.com/product/fiber-optic-floor-box/42-serise/  ?

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 2:29 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> We have a bunch of AFL NIDs that our previous OSP manager used.
>
> https://www.mce1000.com/mainsource/1jnK/100-111085_spec.pdf
>
> They're somewhere around $150/each. Great for broadband-level services!
>  *rolls eyes*
>
> Anyway, he deployed them without any sort of support for the bulkhead
> connector that we're using to transition from the drop to the on-prem
> cable. That leaves us with a loose pigtail that has been spliced onto the
> drop cable (fine), going into a coupler that's not mounted to anything,
> going into the rugged on-prem cable on the way to the ONT. That puts
> ridiculous strain on the pigtails, some of which are doing 90-degree or
> more bends within a half-inch. That's a failure waiting to happen.
>
> I have one of my guys get pricing on the interconnection kit mentioned in
> the PDF so that we can install them in the NIDs and support the cables that
> are in there.
>
> $80/each.
>
> We're not looking to spend $80/NID in materials to unscrew all of these
> things when our regular NIDs (that work just fine) are more like $60/each
> for the whole thing (though plastic, not metal).
>
> What options do you see?
>
> 1) We see buying them all and being done with it.
> 2) Replacing all of those NIDs with the regular NIDs we use.
> 3) Buying one of those kids and having a local shop clone them.
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] The weirdest coincidence

[Matt Hoppes]

This is why there needs to be segregation between APs and SMs in 
cnMaestro for permissions.


On 2/22/22 1:22 PM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

Nevermind.  Some noob was shutting off Aps trying to disable users.

*From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2022 1:07 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
*Subject:* The weirdest coincidence

I just had five different PMP450 AP’s go down at the same time at five 
different towers.  In all cases the switch reports link, but I get zero 
Rx traffic.  Power cycle doesn’t bring any of them back up.


WTF just happened?  Some kind of bug?




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[AFMUG] AFL NID Alternatives

[Mike Hammett]

We have a bunch of AFL NIDs that our previous OSP manager used. 


https://www.mce1000.com/mainsource/1jnK/100-111085_spec.pdf 


They're somewhere around $150/each. Great for broadband-level services! *rolls 
eyes* 


Anyway, he deployed them without any sort of support for the bulkhead connector 
that we're using to transition from the drop to the on-prem cable. That leaves 
us with a loose pigtail that has been spliced onto the drop cable (fine), going 
into a coupler that's not mounted to anything, going into the rugged on-prem 
cable on the way to the ONT. That puts ridiculous strain on the pigtails, some 
of which are doing 90-degree or more bends within a half-inch. That's a failure 
waiting to happen. 


I have one of my guys get pricing on the interconnection kit mentioned in the 
PDF so that we can install them in the NIDs and support the cables that are in 
there. 


$80/each. 


We're not looking to spend $80/NID in materials to unscrew all of these things 
when our regular NIDs (that work just fine) are more like $60/each for the 
whole thing (though plastic, not metal). 


What options do you see? 


1) We see buying them all and being done with it. 
2) Replacing all of those NIDs with the regular NIDs we use. 
3) Buying one of those kids and having a local shop clone them. 




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Re: [AFMUG] The weirdest coincidence

[Josh Luthman]

I'd also not turn customers off by disabling ethernet ports.  This is a
small example but a bigger one still would be when the customer starts
changing cables because their internet doesn't work.  Having a redirect
page (SSL errors be damned) is way better.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 9:04 AM  wrote:

> I absolutely understand being busy and having multiple windows open and
> the dangers that can occur if you mix up which window is for which task.
> Anybody can have an issue in those conditions with any kind of hardware.
>
>
>
> The fact this person did it 6 times in quick succession means someone gave
> them access they shouldn’t have to devices they didn’t understand.   And
> yeah 6 total.  There were 5 when I first wrote the bewildered email about
> it.  That does make me consider which person might deserve the proposed the
> knee breaking accident.
>
>
>
> Two were the 450i which have the very convenient recovery mode feature.
> Three of the others we got back by getting in through the wireless side
> with an SM.   The last was a 3.5ghz 450 (not 450i).  So no recovery mode,
> and you know since the AP can’t talk to the SAS no SM could be authorized
> and an SM without a SAS grant doesn’t bridge traffic.  That one was a tower
> climb with a default plug…….no other choice.  I don’t know what individual
> did it, but I hope they are mercilessly heckled by their coworkers.  And I
> do appreciate the mafioso knee breaking jokes, but I don’t actually wish
> them any injury.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *castarritt
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2022 6:06 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The weirdest coincidence
>
>
>
> There are rumors that I might on occasion reboot the 450 AP when I mean to
> reboot an SM, but nothing proven...  I also came this >< close to rebooting
> core NAT router once before I realized the winbox session I was looking at
> wasn't the one I had open for that customer's managed wi-fi router.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 2:22 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Sounds like maybe you send me an address and maybe a noob takes a few
> weeks off to let a knee injury heal. Just sayin, noobs are clumsy
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022, 1:21 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:
>
> That brings up big questions of why the noob thought they'd have
> permission to do that, and why someone gave them a password with AP control
> access.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 12:23 PM  wrote:
>
> Nevermind.  Some noob was shutting off Aps trying to disable users.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2022 1:07 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* The weirdest coincidence
>
>
>
> I just had five different PMP450 AP’s go down at the same time at five
> different towers.  In all cases the switch reports link, but I get zero Rx
> traffic.  Power cycle doesn’t bring any of them back up.
>
>
>
> WTF just happened?  Some kind of bug?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Has Steve been visiting Utah?

[Steve Jones]

Maybe somebody was shutting down some APs. Maybe somebody will have a
little harder time clicking that mouse button. I dont know, its a weird
world, sometimes people dont have fingers anymore. Who am i to judge.

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022, 9:32 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

>
> When police officers in Orem, Utah, pulled over Victor Chavez-Zuniga,
> 27, for a broken headlight on Feb. 9, they discovered that he had
> several outstanding warrants, The Smoking Gun reported. As a result,
> they searched him and found something “extra” in his wallet: a severed
> finger in a cloth wrap, which had “what appeared to be pus and blood on
> it” and “was beginning to turn green.” Unfortunately, the mystery lives
> on: The court filing does not say who the finger belonged to or why
> Chavez-Zuniga had it.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Zhone VOIP Features

[Mike Hammett]

If I were you, even without ZMS, I'd work on configuring things on the chassis 
instead of the ONT. 




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From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 10:49:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Zhone VOIP Features 

Re: [AFMUG] Zhone VOIP Features Mike, 

We never got into the ZMS package. I just wrote a bunch of scripts to interface 
with the Cage and ONT's directly. Those scripts were then integrated into 
Platypus. We have tried over the years to make Plat the central controller for 
everything. 


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*nods* we try to avoid doing any configuration on the ONT, other than 
SSID and key. That way we can reset the unit to default and the chassis just 
sends down whatever it is supposed to have. 

I've attached screenshots of the ONT and of ZMS. 


Here's the output of that configuration section on the chassis: 
Dekalb_1> cpe voip features show all 

cpe-voip-features 1 Name: Default_Cpe_Voip_Features Type: reordertone 
hotLine: disabled 
Conference Option: local 
Conference Uri: 

Caller ID Call Waiting Call Progress or Call Presentation 
Features Features Transfer Features Features 
==  == = 
calling-number call-waiting 3-way msg-wait-splash-ring 
calling-name cid-announcement call-transfer msg-wait-special-dial-tone 
cid-number call-hold msg-wait-visual 
cid-name call-park call-fwd 
anonym-block do-not-disturb 
flash-on-emergency 
emergency-hold 
6-way 


cpe-voip-features 2 Name: DynOmciCpeVoipFeatures Type: reordertone 
hotLine: disabled 
Conference Option: local 
Conference Uri: 

Caller ID Call Waiting Call Progress or Call Presentation 
Features Features Transfer Features Features 
==  == = 
none none none none 


cpe-voip-features 3 Name: VOIP-SIP Type: reordertone 
hotLine: disabled 
Conference Option: local 
Conference Uri: 

Caller ID Call Waiting Call Progress or Call Presentation 
Features Features Transfer Features Features 
==  == = 
calling-number msg-wait-splash-ring 
calling-name msg-wait-special-dial-tone 
cid-blocking msg-wait-visual 
cid-number call-fwd 
cid-name 
anonym-block 

3 entries found. 




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From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 10:26:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Zhone VOIP Features 

Re: [AFMUG] Zhone VOIP Features Mike, 

I'm a bit behind on FW, so I don't even see CID-announcement. Here are some 
screen shots of one of my ONT's. We are using a 3rd party VoIP company, so I 
just connected to their server. 

Have you tried clicking on the yellow question mark for help screen? 

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Are there any Zhone operators on this list? 

Using VoIP? 

What are you enabling (or disabling) in your VOIP Features? Some are self 
explanatory, but some aren't. For instance, my SEs (at VAR and Zhone) didn't 
know what CID-announcement does.Some make sense, but don't seem applicable to 
standard POTS service. For instance, call hold, call park, DND, etc. don't seem 
very relevant. 


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Re: [AFMUG] Zhone VOIP Features

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Zhone VOIP Features


Mike,

We never got into the ZMS package.  I just wrote a bunch of scripts to interface with the Cage and ONT's directly.  Those scripts were then integrated into Platypus.  We have tried over the years to make Plat the central controller for everything.


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*nods* we try to avoid doing any configuration on the ONT, other than SSID and key. That way we can reset the unit to default and the chassis just sends down whatever it is supposed to have.

I've attached screenshots of the ONT and of ZMS.


Here's the output of that configuration section on the chassis:
Dekalb_1> cpe voip features show all

cpe-voip-features 1       Name: Default_Cpe_Voip_Features       Type: reordertone
hotLine: disabled
Conference Option: local
Conference Uri:

  Caller ID        Call Waiting     Call Progress or        Call Presentation
   Features          Features       Transfer Features            Features
==      ==   =
calling-number   call-waiting       3-way                msg-wait-splash-ring
calling-name     cid-announcement   call-transfer        msg-wait-special-dial-tone
cid-number                          call-hold            msg-wait-visual
cid-name                            call-park            call-fwd
anonym-block                        do-not-disturb
                                    flash-on-emergency
                                    emergency-hold
                                    6-way


cpe-voip-features 2       Name: DynOmciCpeVoipFeatures          Type: reordertone
hotLine: disabled
Conference Option: local
Conference Uri:

  Caller ID        Call Waiting     Call Progress or        Call Presentation
   Features          Features       Transfer Features            Features
==      ==   =
none             none               none                 none


cpe-voip-features 3       Name: VOIP-SIP                        Type: reordertone
hotLine: disabled
Conference Option: local
Conference Uri:

  Caller ID        Call Waiting     Call Progress or        Call Presentation
   Features          Features       Transfer Features            Features
==      ==   =
calling-number                                           msg-wait-splash-ring
calling-name                                             msg-wait-special-dial-tone
cid-blocking                                             msg-wait-visual
cid-number                                               call-fwd
cid-name
anonym-block

3 entries found.




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From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 10:26:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Zhone VOIP Features

Re: [AFMUG] Zhone VOIP Features Mike,

I'm a bit behind on FW, so I don't even see CID-announcement.  Here are some screen shots of one of my ONT's. We are using a 3rd party VoIP company, so I just connected to their server. 

Have you tried clicking on the yellow question mark for help screen? 

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Are there any Zhone operators on this list?

Using VoIP?

What are you enabling (or disabling) in your VOIP Features? Some are self explanatory, but some aren't. For instance, my SEs (at VAR and Zhone) didn't know what CID-announcement does.Some make sense, but don't seem applicable to standard POTS service. For instance, call hold, call park, DND, etc. don't seem very relevant.


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Re: [AFMUG] Zhone VOIP Features

[Mike Hammett]

*nods* we try to avoid doing any configuration on the ONT, other than SSID and 
key. That way we can reset the unit to default and the chassis just sends down 
whatever it is supposed to have. 


I've attached screenshots of the ONT and of ZMS. 





Here's the output of that configuration section on the chassis: 

Dekalb_1> cpe voip features show all 


cpe-voip-features 1 Name: Default_Cpe_Voip_Features Type: reordertone 
hotLine: disabled 
Conference Option: local 
Conference Uri: 


Caller ID Call Waiting Call Progress or Call Presentation 
Features Features Transfer Features Features 
==  == = 
calling-number call-waiting 3-way msg-wait-splash-ring 
calling-name cid-announcement call-transfer msg-wait-special-dial-tone 
cid-number call-hold msg-wait-visual 
cid-name call-park call-fwd 
anonym-block do-not-disturb 
flash-on-emergency 
emergency-hold 
6-way 




cpe-voip-features 2 Name: DynOmciCpeVoipFeatures Type: reordertone 
hotLine: disabled 
Conference Option: local 
Conference Uri: 


Caller ID Call Waiting Call Progress or Call Presentation 
Features Features Transfer Features Features 
==  == = 
none none none none 




cpe-voip-features 3 Name: VOIP-SIP Type: reordertone 
hotLine: disabled 
Conference Option: local 
Conference Uri: 


Caller ID Call Waiting Call Progress or Call Presentation 
Features Features Transfer Features Features 
==  == = 
calling-number msg-wait-splash-ring 
calling-name msg-wait-special-dial-tone 
cid-blocking msg-wait-visual 
cid-number call-fwd 
cid-name 
anonym-block 


3 entries found. 





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From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2022 10:26:07 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Zhone VOIP Features 

Re: [AFMUG] Zhone VOIP Features Mike, 

I'm a bit behind on FW, so I don't even see CID-announcement. Here are some 
screen shots of one of my ONT's. We are using a 3rd party VoIP company, so I 
just connected to their server. 

Have you tried clicking on the yellow question mark for help screen? 

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Wednesday, February 23, 2022, 9:47:04 AM, you wrote: 


Are there any Zhone operators on this list? 

Using VoIP? 

What are you enabling (or disabling) in your VOIP Features? Some are self 
explanatory, but some aren't. For instance, my SEs (at VAR and Zhone) didn't 
know what CID-announcement does.Some make sense, but don't seem applicable to 
standard POTS service. For instance, call hold, call park, DND, etc. don't seem 
very relevant. 


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Re: [AFMUG] Zhone VOIP Features

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Zhone VOIP Features


Mike,

I'm a bit behind on FW, so I don't even see CID-announcement.  Here are some screen shots of one of my ONT's. We are using a 3rd party VoIP company, so I just connected to their server. 

Have you tried clicking on the yellow question mark for help screen? 

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Are there any Zhone operators on this list?

Using VoIP?

What are you enabling (or disabling) in your VOIP Features? Some are self explanatory, but some aren't. For instance, my SEs (at VAR and Zhone) didn't know what CID-announcement does.Some make sense, but don't seem applicable to standard POTS service. For instance, call hold, call park, DND, etc. don't seem very relevant.


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[AFMUG] OT: Has Steve been visiting Utah?

[Bill Prince]

When police officers in Orem, Utah, pulled over Victor Chavez-Zuniga, 
27, for a broken headlight on Feb. 9, they discovered that he had 
several outstanding warrants, The Smoking Gun reported. As a result, 
they searched him and found something “extra” in his wallet: a severed 
finger in a cloth wrap, which had “what appeared to be pus and blood on 
it” and “was beginning to turn green.” Unfortunately, the mystery lives 
on: The court filing does not say who the finger belonged to or why 
Chavez-Zuniga had it.



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[AFMUG] Zhone VOIP Features

[Mike Hammett]

Are there any Zhone operators on this list? 


Using VoIP? 


What are you enabling (or disabling) in your VOIP Features? Some are self 
explanatory, but some aren't. For instance, my SEs (at VAR and Zhone) didn't 
know what CID-announcement does. Some make sense, but don't seem applicable to 
standard POTS service. For instance, call hold, call park, DND, etc. don't seem 
very relevant. 




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Re: [AFMUG] The weirdest coincidence

[Steve Jones]

So, soft tissue injuries only

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022, 7:56 AM  wrote:

> I do appreciate the thought, but in this labor market it’s hard to afford
> people being out for knee injuries and such.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2022 8:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The weirdest coincidence
>
>
>
> Definetly needs to be clumsy, maybe a broken wrist too
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022, 4:58 PM  wrote:
>
> Some people were trained to do this task.  Those people gave access to
> additional people without adequate instruction.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2022 2:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The weirdest coincidence
>
>
>
> That brings up big questions of why the noob thought they'd have
> permission to do that, and why someone gave them a password with AP control
> access.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 12:23 PM  wrote:
>
> Nevermind.  Some noob was shutting off Aps trying to disable users.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2022 1:07 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* The weirdest coincidence
>
>
>
> I just had five different PMP450 AP’s go down at the same time at five
> different towers.  In all cases the switch reports link, but I get zero Rx
> traffic.  Power cycle doesn’t bring any of them back up.
>
>
>
> WTF just happened?  Some kind of bug?
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] The weirdest coincidence

[dmmoffett]

I absolutely understand being busy and having multiple windows open and the 
dangers that can occur if you mix up which window is for which task.  Anybody 
can have an issue in those conditions with any kind of hardware.

 

The fact this person did it 6 times in quick succession means someone gave them 
access they shouldn’t have to devices they didn’t understand.   And yeah 6 
total.  There were 5 when I first wrote the bewildered email about it.  That 
does make me consider which person might deserve the proposed the knee breaking 
accident. 

 

Two were the 450i which have the very convenient recovery mode feature.  Three 
of the others we got back by getting in through the wireless side with an SM.   
The last was a 3.5ghz 450 (not 450i).  So no recovery mode, and you know since 
the AP can’t talk to the SAS no SM could be authorized and an SM without a SAS 
grant doesn’t bridge traffic.  That one was a tower climb with a default 
plug…….no other choice.  I don’t know what individual did it, but I hope they 
are mercilessly heckled by their coworkers.  And I do appreciate the mafioso 
knee breaking jokes, but I don’t actually wish them any injury.

 

-Adam

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of castarritt
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 6:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The weirdest coincidence

 

There are rumors that I might on occasion reboot the 450 AP when I mean to 
reboot an SM, but nothing proven...  I also came this >< close to rebooting 
core NAT router once before I realized the winbox session I was looking at 
wasn't the one I had open for that customer's managed wi-fi router.

 

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 2:22 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Sounds like maybe you send me an address and maybe a noob takes a few weeks off 
to let a knee injury heal. Just sayin, noobs are clumsy

 

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022, 1:21 PM Colin Stanners mailto:cstann...@gmail.com> > wrote:

That brings up big questions of why the noob thought they'd have permission to 
do that, and why someone gave them a password with AP control access.

 

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 12:23 PM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Nevermind.  Some noob was shutting off Aps trying to disable users.

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 1:07 PM
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Subject: The weirdest coincidence

 

I just had five different PMP450 AP’s go down at the same time at five 
different towers.  In all cases the switch reports link, but I get zero Rx 
traffic.  Power cycle doesn’t bring any of them back up.  

 

WTF just happened?  Some kind of bug?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] The weirdest coincidence

[dmmoffett]

I do appreciate the thought, but in this labor market it’s hard to afford 
people being out for knee injuries and such.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 8:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The weirdest coincidence

 

Definetly needs to be clumsy, maybe a broken wrist too 

 

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022, 4:58 PM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
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Some people were trained to do this task.  Those people gave access to 
additional people without adequate instruction.

 

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Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 2:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The weirdest coincidence

 

That brings up big questions of why the noob thought they'd have permission to 
do that, and why someone gave them a password with AP control access.

 

On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 12:23 PM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Nevermind.  Some noob was shutting off Aps trying to disable users.

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2022 1:07 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: The weirdest coincidence

 

I just had five different PMP450 AP’s go down at the same time at five 
different towers.  In all cases the switch reports link, but I get zero Rx 
traffic.  Power cycle doesn’t bring any of them back up.  

 

WTF just happened?  Some kind of bug?

 

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