Re: [AFMUG] OT: extra-small 10/100 ethernet switch/repeater

[Colin Stanners]

Lookup the MikroTik hAP mini, even without case, or the 2-port mAP. I don't
think that you can get smaller without extreme engineering.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, 8:35 PM Robert,  wrote:

> get a tempest
>
> On 8/16/22 12:36 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> >
> > We have this Davis Vantage Pro 2 weather station. We've had it for at
> > least 12 or 14 years. For quite some time, we had it in our utility
> > room where it was out of the way. Because the utility room was kind of
> > central to the main part of the house, we also had our WiFi AP located
> > in that room, and they both ran off a small (Netgear) 5-port switch,
> > which relayed to our router at the far end of the house. Never had a
> > problem with it.
> >
> > We recently started refreshing the utility room. Nothing drastic, just
> > fresh floor, paint, and trim. In the process we moved the WAP to a
> > place we call "the alcove", which is still fairly centrally located,
> > but has better clearance to the outside/deck area. So we moved the
> > switch there and put our VoIP phones on the switch with the WAP.
> >
> > So the weather station is now on a dedicated ethernet connection back
> > to the router. Suddenly the weather station "stalls out" after a bunch
> > of "excessive collision/speed mismatch" errors. Sometimes it runs for
> > 4 or 5 hours, sometimes it runs a day or two, but always gets to the
> > stalling out phase after a bunch of ethernet errors.
> >
> > So I started looking into the ethernet interface on the weather
> > station. Turns out, it's an obsolete data logger contraption that
> > Davis no longer makes, and it runs 10Base-T half duplex. Erg. I got
> > into the router and set the port that it's on to 10/half dux, and it
> > actually seems to run longer this way, but still gets to the too many
> > errors condition after a while.
> >
> > I think I've come to the conclusion that the funky little data logger
> > goober on the weather station is just not very robust. I think if I
> > put another switch or ethernet repeater co-located with the weather
> > station, I can get it back to the state of mostly working (or at least
> > with a stall rate that is measured in months/years instead of
> > hours/days).
> >
> > So what I'm looking for is the smallest/tiniest ethernet switch (or
> > maybe just a repeater) that can be installed on the wall next to the
> > weather station console as possible. This may be difficult, as the
> > Netgear fast switch we had there is only 4x4 inches. Just wondering if
> > there was something even smaller?
> >
> > The other option is (maybe) a Raspberry Pi that has two ethernet ports
> > on it? We run the weather station with a Raspberry Pi 3 that is
> > located elsewhere on the LAN, but it only has 1 ethernet port. If
> > there was one with two, I could just plop the pi next to the weather
> > station.
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: extra-small 10/100 ethernet switch/repeater

[Robert]

get a tempest

On 8/16/22 12:36 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


We have this Davis Vantage Pro 2 weather station. We've had it for at 
least 12 or 14 years. For quite some time, we had it in our utility 
room where it was out of the way. Because the utility room was kind of 
central to the main part of the house, we also had our WiFi AP located 
in that room, and they both ran off a small (Netgear) 5-port switch, 
which relayed to our router at the far end of the house. Never had a 
problem with it.


We recently started refreshing the utility room. Nothing drastic, just 
fresh floor, paint, and trim. In the process we moved the WAP to a 
place we call "the alcove", which is still fairly centrally located, 
but has better clearance to the outside/deck area. So we moved the 
switch there and put our VoIP phones on the switch with the WAP.


So the weather station is now on a dedicated ethernet connection back 
to the router. Suddenly the weather station "stalls out" after a bunch 
of "excessive collision/speed mismatch" errors. Sometimes it runs for 
4 or 5 hours, sometimes it runs a day or two, but always gets to the 
stalling out phase after a bunch of ethernet errors.


So I started looking into the ethernet interface on the weather 
station. Turns out, it's an obsolete data logger contraption that 
Davis no longer makes, and it runs 10Base-T half duplex. Erg. I got 
into the router and set the port that it's on to 10/half dux, and it 
actually seems to run longer this way, but still gets to the too many 
errors condition after a while.


I think I've come to the conclusion that the funky little data logger 
goober on the weather station is just not very robust. I think if I 
put another switch or ethernet repeater co-located with the weather 
station, I can get it back to the state of mostly working (or at least 
with a stall rate that is measured in months/years instead of 
hours/days).


So what I'm looking for is the smallest/tiniest ethernet switch (or 
maybe just a repeater) that can be installed on the wall next to the 
weather station console as possible. This may be difficult, as the 
Netgear fast switch we had there is only 4x4 inches. Just wondering if 
there was something even smaller?


The other option is (maybe) a Raspberry Pi that has two ethernet ports 
on it? We run the weather station with a Raspberry Pi 3 that is 
located elsewhere on the LAN, but it only has 1 ethernet port. If 
there was one with two, I could just plop the pi next to the weather 
station.





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Did we actually lose Jaime back in May?

[Steve Jones]

I wasnt even there. I have an alibi.


On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, 4:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Yeah.  He has done this several times though.  Steve did his usual routine
> and Jaime let it get under his skin.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 3:10 PM
> To: Chuck McCown via AF
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Did we actually lose Jaime back in May?
>
>
> Hey, did Jaime actually unsubscribe back in May when we were having the
> mass shooting/Lent discussion?
>
> That would be a shame. A liberal Texan is kind of a rare commodity.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Did we actually lose Jaime back in May?

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Yeah.  He has done this several times though.  Steve did his usual routine 
and Jaime let it get under his skin.


-Original Message- 
From: Bill Prince

Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 3:10 PM
To: Chuck McCown via AF
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Did we actually lose Jaime back in May?


Hey, did Jaime actually unsubscribe back in May when we were having the
mass shooting/Lent discussion?

That would be a shame. A liberal Texan is kind of a rare commodity.


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[AFMUG] OT: Did we actually lose Jaime back in May?

[Bill Prince]

Hey, did Jaime actually unsubscribe back in May when we were having the 
mass shooting/Lent discussion?


That would be a shame. A liberal Texan is kind of a rare commodity.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: extra-small 10/100 ethernet switch/repeater

[Josh Luthman]

This says it does 10 meg...

https://mikrotik.com/product/gper

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 3:37 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

>
> We have this Davis Vantage Pro 2 weather station. We've had it for at
> least 12 or 14 years. For quite some time, we had it in our utility room
> where it was out of the way. Because the utility room was kind of
> central to the main part of the house, we also had our WiFi AP located
> in that room, and they both ran off a small (Netgear) 5-port switch,
> which relayed to our router at the far end of the house. Never had a
> problem with it.
>
> We recently started refreshing the utility room. Nothing drastic, just
> fresh floor, paint, and trim. In the process we moved the WAP to a place
> we call "the alcove", which is still fairly centrally located, but has
> better clearance to the outside/deck area. So we moved the switch there
> and put our VoIP phones on the switch with the WAP.
>
> So the weather station is now on a dedicated ethernet connection back to
> the router. Suddenly the weather station "stalls out" after a bunch of
> "excessive collision/speed mismatch" errors. Sometimes it runs for 4 or
> 5 hours, sometimes it runs a day or two, but always gets to the stalling
> out phase after a bunch of ethernet errors.
>
> So I started looking into the ethernet interface on the weather station.
> Turns out, it's an obsolete data logger contraption that Davis no longer
> makes, and it runs 10Base-T half duplex. Erg. I got into the router and
> set the port that it's on to 10/half dux, and it actually seems to run
> longer this way, but still gets to the too many errors condition after a
> while.
>
> I think I've come to the conclusion that the funky little data logger
> goober on the weather station is just not very robust. I think if I put
> another switch or ethernet repeater co-located with the weather station,
> I can get it back to the state of mostly working (or at least with a
> stall rate that is measured in months/years instead of hours/days).
>
> So what I'm looking for is the smallest/tiniest ethernet switch (or
> maybe just a repeater) that can be installed on the wall next to the
> weather station console as possible. This may be difficult, as the
> Netgear fast switch we had there is only 4x4 inches. Just wondering if
> there was something even smaller?
>
> The other option is (maybe) a Raspberry Pi that has two ethernet ports
> on it? We run the weather station with a Raspberry Pi 3 that is located
> elsewhere on the LAN, but it only has 1 ethernet port. If there was one
> with two, I could just plop the pi next to the weather station.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Just make sure to accidentally drop a $20 when they are looking over your 
stuff.  If they step on it and tell you to go, you are golden. 

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

I want to bribe officials

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 2:28 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Been there, done that, including accidentally bribing customs in a foreign 
country...

  From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 1:16 PM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

  Then you can add “Smuggler” to your resume.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 3:09 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels



  Can you just fly to china, then strap some under your coat to get them back? 

  On 8/16/2022 2:05 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

No idea yet.  Need to first figure out the legalities.  If you get caught 
funneling the wrong panel through the wrong place you get hit with a 300% 
tariff.  



From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:06 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels



What kind of buy in are you looking at?



On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Looking to perhaps get a container load of solar panels from someone.  
Anyone know that the import duties are these days?  It is a bit confusing.  
Looks like many of the panels are coming from Vietnam these days.  



  Depending on the wattage you can get in a container, I may be selling 
some.  Or we could do a coop buy.  Gotta figure out the tax and duty first.  I 
buy from China all the time so doing the whole freight forwarding and customs 
broker stuff is easy for me, but the laws are not.  



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

[Nate Burke]

Hey!? How come Steve is able to use 8000mhz wide channels his county?

On 8/16/2022 3:12 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

I want to bribe officials

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 2:28 PM Chuck McCown via AF > wrote:


Been there, done that, including accidentally bribing customs in a
foreign country...
*From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 1:16 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

Then you can add “Smuggler” to your resume.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 3:09 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

Can you just fly to china, then strap some under your coat to get
them back?

On 8/16/2022 2:05 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

No idea yet. Need to first figure out the legalities.  If you
get caught funneling the wrong panel through the wrong place
you get hit with a 300% tariff.

*From:*Steve Jones

*Sent:*Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:06 PM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

What kind of buy in are you looking at?

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

Looking to perhaps get a container load of solar panels
from someone.  Anyone know that the import duties are
these days?  It is a bit confusing.  Looks like many of
the panels are coming from Vietnam these days.

Depending on the wattage you can get in a container, I may
be selling some.  Or we could do a coop buy.  Gotta figure
out the tax and duty first. I buy from China all the time
so doing the whole freight forwarding and customs broker
stuff is easy for me, but the laws are not.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

[Steve Jones]

I want to bribe officials

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 2:28 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Been there, done that, including accidentally bribing customs in a foreign
> country...
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 1:16 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels
>
>
> Then you can add “Smuggler” to your resume.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 3:09 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels
>
>
>
> Can you just fly to china, then strap some under your coat to get them
> back?
>
> On 8/16/2022 2:05 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> No idea yet.  Need to first figure out the legalities.  If you get caught
> funneling the wrong panel through the wrong place you get hit with a 300%
> tariff.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:06 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels
>
>
>
> What kind of buy in are you looking at?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Looking to perhaps get a container load of solar panels from someone.
> Anyone know that the import duties are these days?  It is a bit confusing.
> Looks like many of the panels are coming from Vietnam these days.
>
>
>
> Depending on the wattage you can get in a container, I may be selling
> some.  Or we could do a coop buy.  Gotta figure out the tax and duty
> first.  I buy from China all the time so doing the whole freight forwarding
> and customs broker stuff is easy for me, but the laws are not.
>
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[AFMUG] OT: extra-small 10/100 ethernet switch/repeater

[Bill Prince]

We have this Davis Vantage Pro 2 weather station. We've had it for at 
least 12 or 14 years. For quite some time, we had it in our utility room 
where it was out of the way. Because the utility room was kind of 
central to the main part of the house, we also had our WiFi AP located 
in that room, and they both ran off a small (Netgear) 5-port switch, 
which relayed to our router at the far end of the house. Never had a 
problem with it.


We recently started refreshing the utility room. Nothing drastic, just 
fresh floor, paint, and trim. In the process we moved the WAP to a place 
we call "the alcove", which is still fairly centrally located, but has 
better clearance to the outside/deck area. So we moved the switch there 
and put our VoIP phones on the switch with the WAP.


So the weather station is now on a dedicated ethernet connection back to 
the router. Suddenly the weather station "stalls out" after a bunch of 
"excessive collision/speed mismatch" errors. Sometimes it runs for 4 or 
5 hours, sometimes it runs a day or two, but always gets to the stalling 
out phase after a bunch of ethernet errors.


So I started looking into the ethernet interface on the weather station. 
Turns out, it's an obsolete data logger contraption that Davis no longer 
makes, and it runs 10Base-T half duplex. Erg. I got into the router and 
set the port that it's on to 10/half dux, and it actually seems to run 
longer this way, but still gets to the too many errors condition after a 
while.


I think I've come to the conclusion that the funky little data logger 
goober on the weather station is just not very robust. I think if I put 
another switch or ethernet repeater co-located with the weather station, 
I can get it back to the state of mostly working (or at least with a 
stall rate that is measured in months/years instead of hours/days).


So what I'm looking for is the smallest/tiniest ethernet switch (or 
maybe just a repeater) that can be installed on the wall next to the 
weather station console as possible. This may be difficult, as the 
Netgear fast switch we had there is only 4x4 inches. Just wondering if 
there was something even smaller?


The other option is (maybe) a Raspberry Pi that has two ethernet ports 
on it? We run the weather station with a Raspberry Pi 3 that is located 
elsewhere on the LAN, but it only has 1 ethernet port. If there was one 
with two, I could just plop the pi next to the weather station.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Been there, done that, including accidentally bribing customs in a foreign 
country...

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 1:16 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

Then you can add “Smuggler” to your resume.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 3:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

 

Can you just fly to china, then strap some under your coat to get them back? 

On 8/16/2022 2:05 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  No idea yet.  Need to first figure out the legalities.  If you get caught 
funneling the wrong panel through the wrong place you get hit with a 300% 
tariff.  

   

  From: Steve Jones 

  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:06 PM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

   

  What kind of buy in are you looking at?

   

  On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

Looking to perhaps get a container load of solar panels from someone.  
Anyone know that the import duties are these days?  It is a bit confusing.  
Looks like many of the panels are coming from Vietnam these days.  

 

Depending on the wattage you can get in a container, I may be selling some. 
 Or we could do a coop buy.  Gotta figure out the tax and duty first.  I buy 
from China all the time so doing the whole freight forwarding and customs 
broker stuff is easy for me, but the laws are not.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

[dmmoffett]

Then you can add "Smuggler" to your resume.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 3:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

 

Can you just fly to china, then strap some under your coat to get them back?


On 8/16/2022 2:05 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

No idea yet.  Need to first figure out the legalities.  If you get caught
funneling the wrong panel through the wrong place you get hit with a 300%
tariff.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:06 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

 

What kind of buy in are you looking at?

 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM Chuck McCown via AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > wrote:

Looking to perhaps get a container load of solar panels from someone.
Anyone know that the import duties are these days?  It is a bit confusing.
Looks like many of the panels are coming from Vietnam these days.  

 

Depending on the wattage you can get in a container, I may be selling some.
Or we could do a coop buy.  Gotta figure out the tax and duty first.  I buy
from China all the time so doing the whole freight forwarding and customs
broker stuff is easy for me, but the laws are not.  

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

[Bill Prince]

Now that would be a  spicy meatball.


bp


On 8/16/2022 12:05 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
No idea yet.  Need to first figure out the legalities. If you get 
caught funneling the wrong panel through the wrong place you get hit 
with a 300% tariff.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:06 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels
What kind of buy in are you looking at?
On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:


Looking to perhaps get a container load of solar panels from
someone.  Anyone know that the import duties are these days?  It
is a bit confusing.  Looks like many of the panels are coming from
Vietnam these days.
Depending on the wattage you can get in a container, I may be
selling some.  Or we could do a coop buy.  Gotta figure out the
tax and duty first.  I buy from China all the time so doing the
whole freight forwarding and customs broker stuff is easy for me,
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

[Nate Burke]

Can you just fly to china, then strap some under your coat to get them 
back?


On 8/16/2022 2:05 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
No idea yet.  Need to first figure out the legalities. If you get 
caught funneling the wrong panel through the wrong place you get hit 
with a 300% tariff.

*From:* Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:06 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels
What kind of buy in are you looking at?
On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:


Looking to perhaps get a container load of solar panels from
someone.  Anyone know that the import duties are these days?  It
is a bit confusing.  Looks like many of the panels are coming from
Vietnam these days.
Depending on the wattage you can get in a container, I may be
selling some.  Or we could do a coop buy.  Gotta figure out the
tax and duty first.  I buy from China all the time so doing the
whole freight forwarding and customs broker stuff is easy for me,
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

[Chuck McCown via AF]

No idea yet.  Need to first figure out the legalities.  If you get caught 
funneling the wrong panel through the wrong place you get hit with a 300% 
tariff.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:06 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

What kind of buy in are you looking at?

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

  Looking to perhaps get a container load of solar panels from someone.  Anyone 
know that the import duties are these days?  It is a bit confusing.  Looks like 
many of the panels are coming from Vietnam these days.  

  Depending on the wattage you can get in a container, I may be selling some.  
Or we could do a coop buy.  Gotta figure out the tax and duty first.  I buy 
from China all the time so doing the whole freight forwarding and customs 
broker stuff is easy for me, but the laws are not.  

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 900 MHz PtP

[Bill Prince]

A name like BreezeAir implies not a lot of substance.


bp


On 8/16/2022 11:44 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:


Alvarion 900:

Is Your Home Cat An Alien? Polish Scientists Think So - Science

Alvarion became Telrad.  They have something called “BreezeAir 8000” 
which is available in 900mhz.  But my faith in them was destroyed by 
my experience with the Compact 1000.


Maybe BreezeAir is the best thing ever, but I’ll let someone else try it.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:08 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 900 MHz PtP

I dont know how much of alvarion still exists, but their 900 was 
solid. Havent looked at tranzeo in years to see if they even exist 
still either


On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 10:41 AM  wrote:

Might be an issue with the camera….unless they’re ok with a super
low frame rate.

When I looked at licensing a channel the $/mhz/population made it
5 digits even for a fairly rural county.  I suppose if you only
need 125khz then it might work out.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Scott Imhoff
via AF
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 11:36 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Cc:* Scott Imhoff 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 900 MHz PtP

You might consider obtaining a license for 220 MHz or 450 MHz for
the SCADA application, you will have much better propagation in
comparison to 900 MHz.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 10:22 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

You'd want PTP-450i, not PMP, which is going to be much cheaper
(you'd still be looking at over $1k for a link though).

But yeah, that doesn't sound very promising... 900mhz isn't going
to go through rock.

You should be able to get an old PMP-100 AP and SM for next to
nothing if you really want to try it.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:57 AM Craig Baird 
wrote:

I was afraid that would be the case. I guess I'll probably
have to pitch the 450i to them. Although honestly, I'm not
really all that certain 900 MHz will even cut it. This is for
the city water company. They have a well up a canyon. About
1/4 mile down the road, they have a cistern. They have
Internet at the cistern and want to get it connected to the
well because they want to install some security cameras and a
DVR at the well. Problem is that there's a rock outcropping
between the two sites. Back in my WISP days, we did 900 MHz
through trees. But I never tried it through rock. It was
finicky enough through trees, so I'm not sure I even want to
try going through a rock/hill. I figure there might be some
reflection off the canyon walls that might help, but for the
cost of a 450i (especially the AP), I'm not sure I want to
gamble on it. That's why I was hoping for a cheap solution.
Maybe I'll try the eBay route and see what I can find.

Craig

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 4:04 AM Adam Moffett
 wrote:

I think the 450 is all you’ve got.

For me, nlos isn’t worth pursuing anymore. The link
degrades over years as trees grow and there’s nothing much
you can do about it.  I would rather say “no” and pursue
something else with my time.   But If I had to do 900MHz I
think 450i is the only reasonable choice that I’m aware of.

You could hunt for old cards or old ubnt on eBay I guess.

Get Outlook for iOS






*From:*AF  on behalf of Craig
Baird 
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:12:04 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

Is there a good source for an inexpensive, but reliable
900 MHz PtP, solution these days? Looking for something
for a client that needs a nLOS link. All I can find is
Cambium 450, which seems crazy expensive for what I'm
looking for. Back in my WISP days, I seem to recall you
could throw together a pretty cheap, reliable 900 MHz
solution with Mikrotik, but it seems those have gone the
way of the dodo. Seems UBNT doesn't sell 900 MHz stuff
anymore ei

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 900 MHz PtP

[dmmoffett]

Alvarion 900:



 

Alvarion became Telrad.  They have something called “BreezeAir 8000” which is 
available in 900mhz.  But my faith in them was destroyed by my experience with 
the Compact 1000.

Maybe BreezeAir is the best thing ever, but I’ll let someone else try it.

 

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:08 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 900 MHz PtP

 

I dont know how much of alvarion still exists, but their 900 was solid. Havent 
looked at tranzeo in years to see if they even exist still either

 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 10:41 AM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Might be an issue with the camera….unless they’re ok with a super low frame 
rate.

 

When I looked at licensing a channel the $/mhz/population made it 5 digits even 
for a fairly rural county.  I suppose if you only need 125khz then it might 
work out.

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Scott Imhoff via AF
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 11:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: Scott Imhoff mailto:scott.imh...@cambiumnetworks.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 900 MHz PtP

 

You might consider obtaining a license for 220 MHz or 450 MHz for the SCADA 
application, you will have much better propagation in comparison to 900 MHz.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 10:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

 

You'd want PTP-450i, not PMP, which is going to be much cheaper (you'd still be 
looking at over $1k for a link though). 

 

But yeah, that doesn't sound very promising... 900mhz isn't going to go through 
rock.

 

You should be able to get an old PMP-100 AP and SM for next to nothing if you 
really want to try it.

 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:57 AM Craig Baird mailto:cr...@xpressweb.com> > wrote:

I was afraid that would be the case. I guess I'll probably have to pitch the 
450i to them. Although honestly, I'm not really all that certain 900 MHz will 
even cut it. This is for the city water company. They have a well up a canyon. 
About 1/4 mile down the road, they have a cistern. They have Internet at the 
cistern and want to get it connected to the well because they want to install 
some security cameras and a DVR at the well. Problem is that there's a rock 
outcropping between the two sites. Back in my WISP days, we did 900 MHz through 
trees. But I never tried it through rock. It was finicky enough through trees, 
so I'm not sure I even want to try going through a rock/hill. I figure there 
might be some reflection off the canyon walls that might help, but for the cost 
of a 450i (especially the AP), I'm not sure I want to gamble on it. That's why 
I was hoping for a cheap solution. Maybe I'll try the eBay route and see what I 
can find.

 

Craig

 

 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 4:04 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I think the 450 is all you’ve got.

 

For me, nlos isn’t worth pursuing anymore. The link degrades over years as 
trees grow and there’s nothing much you can do about it.  I would rather say 
“no” and pursue something else with my time.   But If I had to do 900MHz I 
think 450i is the only reasonable choice that I’m aware of.

 

You could hunt for old cards or old ubnt on eBay I guess.

 

Get Outlook for iOS 

 

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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Craig Baird mailto:cr...@xpressweb.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:12:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP 

 

Is there a good source for an inexpensive, but reliable 900 MHz PtP, solution 
these days? Looking for something for a client that needs a nLOS link. All I 
can find is Cambium 450, which seems crazy expensive for what I'm looking for. 
Back in my WISP days, I seem to recall you could throw together a pretty cheap, 
reliable 900 MHz solution with Mikrotik, but it seems those have gone the way 
of the dodo. Seems UBNT doesn't sell 900 MHz stuff anymore either. Guessing the 
small band size probably made 900 MHz impractical for delivering the speeds 
generally required these days. Can anyone point me at anything? 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 900 MHz PtP

[Steve Jones]

I dont know how much of alvarion still exists, but their 900 was solid.
Havent looked at tranzeo in years to see if they even exist still either

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 10:41 AM  wrote:

> Might be an issue with the camera….unless they’re ok with a super low
> frame rate.
>
>
>
> When I looked at licensing a channel the $/mhz/population made it 5 digits
> even for a fairly rural county.  I suppose if you only need 125khz then it
> might work out.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Scott Imhoff via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 11:36 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* Scott Imhoff 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 900 MHz PtP
>
>
>
> You might consider obtaining a license for 220 MHz or 450 MHz for the
> SCADA application, you will have much better propagation in comparison to
> 900 MHz.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 10:22 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP
>
>
>
> You'd want PTP-450i, not PMP, which is going to be much cheaper (you'd
> still be looking at over $1k for a link though).
>
>
>
> But yeah, that doesn't sound very promising... 900mhz isn't going to go
> through rock.
>
>
>
> You should be able to get an old PMP-100 AP and SM for next to nothing if
> you really want to try it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:57 AM Craig Baird  wrote:
>
> I was afraid that would be the case. I guess I'll probably have to pitch
> the 450i to them. Although honestly, I'm not really all that certain 900
> MHz will even cut it. This is for the city water company. They have a well
> up a canyon. About 1/4 mile down the road, they have a cistern. They have
> Internet at the cistern and want to get it connected to the well because
> they want to install some security cameras and a DVR at the well. Problem
> is that there's a rock outcropping between the two sites. Back in my WISP
> days, we did 900 MHz through trees. But I never tried it through rock. It
> was finicky enough through trees, so I'm not sure I even want to try going
> through a rock/hill. I figure there might be some reflection off the canyon
> walls that might help, but for the cost of a 450i (especially the AP), I'm
> not sure I want to gamble on it. That's why I was hoping for a cheap
> solution. Maybe I'll try the eBay route and see what I can find.
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 4:04 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> I think the 450 is all you’ve got.
>
>
>
> For me, nlos isn’t worth pursuing anymore. The link degrades over years as
> trees grow and there’s nothing much you can do about it.  I would rather
> say “no” and pursue something else with my time.   But If I had to do
> 900MHz I think 450i is the only reasonable choice that I’m aware of.
>
>
>
> You could hunt for old cards or old ubnt on eBay I guess.
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS
> 
> --
>
> *From:* AF  on behalf of Craig Baird <
> cr...@xpressweb.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:12:04 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP
>
>
>
> Is there a good source for an inexpensive, but reliable 900 MHz PtP,
> solution these days? Looking for something for a client that needs a nLOS
> link. All I can find is Cambium 450, which seems crazy expensive for what
> I'm looking for. Back in my WISP days, I seem to recall you could throw
> together a pretty cheap, reliable 900 MHz solution with Mikrotik, but it
> seems those have gone the way of the dodo. Seems UBNT doesn't sell 900 MHz
> stuff anymore either. Guessing the small band size probably made 900 MHz
> impractical for delivering the speeds generally required these days. Can
> anyone point me at anything?
>
>
>
> Craig
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

[Steve Jones]

What kind of buy in are you looking at?

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Looking to perhaps get a container load of solar panels from someone.
> Anyone know that the import duties are these days?  It is a bit confusing.
> Looks like many of the panels are coming from Vietnam these days.
>
> Depending on the wattage you can get in a container, I may be selling
> some.  Or we could do a coop buy.  Gotta figure out the tax and duty
> first.  I buy from China all the time so doing the whole freight forwarding
> and customs broker stuff is easy for me, but the laws are not.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] cheap batts

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Or maybe IN not KS.  

From: Chuck McCown via AF 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 12:04 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: [AFMUG] cheap batts

https://www.allsurplus.com/asset/695/22183

Keystone pipeline stuff.  New.  But old.  
If you are in KS may be worth trying to get some.  



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[AFMUG] cheap batts

[Chuck McCown via AF]

https://www.allsurplus.com/asset/695/22183

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[AFMUG] WE WANT YOUR OPINIONS

[Ray Savich via AF]

That's something you don't hear much anymore. But we DO want to know what you 
think about the WISP business, technology and growth in our vendor-neutral 
survey.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Broadband_Service_Provider_2022
The survey will close out this month and we will publish the results in 
September.

See you in Vegas in October.

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 900 MHz PtP

[dmmoffett]

Might be an issue with the camera..unless they're ok with a super low frame
rate.

 

When I looked at licensing a channel the $/mhz/population made it 5 digits
even for a fairly rural county.  I suppose if you only need 125khz then it
might work out.

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Scott Imhoff via AF
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 11:36 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Scott Imhoff 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 900 MHz PtP

 

You might consider obtaining a license for 220 MHz or 450 MHz for the SCADA
application, you will have much better propagation in comparison to 900 MHz.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On
Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 10:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

 

You'd want PTP-450i, not PMP, which is going to be much cheaper (you'd still
be looking at over $1k for a link though). 

 

But yeah, that doesn't sound very promising... 900mhz isn't going to go
through rock.

 

You should be able to get an old PMP-100 AP and SM for next to nothing if
you really want to try it.

 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:57 AM Craig Baird mailto:cr...@xpressweb.com> > wrote:

I was afraid that would be the case. I guess I'll probably have to pitch the
450i to them. Although honestly, I'm not really all that certain 900 MHz
will even cut it. This is for the city water company. They have a well up a
canyon. About 1/4 mile down the road, they have a cistern. They have
Internet at the cistern and want to get it connected to the well because
they want to install some security cameras and a DVR at the well. Problem is
that there's a rock outcropping between the two sites. Back in my WISP days,
we did 900 MHz through trees. But I never tried it through rock. It was
finicky enough through trees, so I'm not sure I even want to try going
through a rock/hill. I figure there might be some reflection off the canyon
walls that might help, but for the cost of a 450i (especially the AP), I'm
not sure I want to gamble on it. That's why I was hoping for a cheap
solution. Maybe I'll try the eBay route and see what I can find.

 

Craig

 

 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 4:04 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I think the 450 is all you've got.

 

For me, nlos isn't worth pursuing anymore. The link degrades over years as
trees grow and there's nothing much you can do about it.  I would rather say
"no" and pursue something else with my time.   But If I had to do 900MHz I
think 450i is the only reasonable choice that I'm aware of.

 

You could hunt for old cards or old ubnt on eBay I guess.

 

Get Outlook for iOS
 

  _  

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on
behalf of Craig Baird mailto:cr...@xpressweb.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:12:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP 

 

Is there a good source for an inexpensive, but reliable 900 MHz PtP,
solution these days? Looking for something for a client that needs a nLOS
link. All I can find is Cambium 450, which seems crazy expensive for what
I'm looking for. Back in my WISP days, I seem to recall you could throw
together a pretty cheap, reliable 900 MHz solution with Mikrotik, but it
seems those have gone the way of the dodo. Seems UBNT doesn't sell 900 MHz
stuff anymore either. Guessing the small band size probably made 900 MHz
impractical for delivering the speeds generally required these days. Can
anyone point me at anything? 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

[dmmoffett]

At least the rocks won’t get bigger every year.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig Baird
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 10:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

 

I was afraid that would be the case. I guess I'll probably have to pitch the 
450i to them. Although honestly, I'm not really all that certain 900 MHz will 
even cut it. This is for the city water company. They have a well up a canyon. 
About 1/4 mile down the road, they have a cistern. They have Internet at the 
cistern and want to get it connected to the well because they want to install 
some security cameras and a DVR at the well. Problem is that there's a rock 
outcropping between the two sites. Back in my WISP days, we did 900 MHz through 
trees. But I never tried it through rock. It was finicky enough through trees, 
so I'm not sure I even want to try going through a rock/hill. I figure there 
might be some reflection off the canyon walls that might help, but for the cost 
of a 450i (especially the AP), I'm not sure I want to gamble on it. That's why 
I was hoping for a cheap solution. Maybe I'll try the eBay route and see what I 
can find.

 

Craig

 

 

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 4:04 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I think the 450 is all you’ve got.

 

For me, nlos isn’t worth pursuing anymore. The link degrades over years as 
trees grow and there’s nothing much you can do about it.  I would rather say 
“no” and pursue something else with my time.   But If I had to do 900MHz I 
think 450i is the only reasonable choice that I’m aware of.

 

You could hunt for old cards or old ubnt on eBay I guess.

 

Get Outlook for iOS  

  _  

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Craig Baird mailto:cr...@xpressweb.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:12:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP 

 

Is there a good source for an inexpensive, but reliable 900 MHz PtP, solution 
these days? Looking for something for a client that needs a nLOS link. All I 
can find is Cambium 450, which seems crazy expensive for what I'm looking for. 
Back in my WISP days, I seem to recall you could throw together a pretty cheap, 
reliable 900 MHz solution with Mikrotik, but it seems those have gone the way 
of the dodo. Seems UBNT doesn't sell 900 MHz stuff anymore either. Guessing the 
small band size probably made 900 MHz impractical for delivering the speeds 
generally required these days. Can anyone point me at anything? 

 

Craig

 

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 900 MHz PtP

[Scott Imhoff via AF]

You might consider obtaining a license for 220 MHz or 450 MHz for the SCADA 
application, you will have much better propagation in comparison to 900 MHz.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 10:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

You'd want PTP-450i, not PMP, which is going to be much cheaper (you'd still be 
looking at over $1k for a link though).

But yeah, that doesn't sound very promising... 900mhz isn't going to go through 
rock.

You should be able to get an old PMP-100 AP and SM for next to nothing if you 
really want to try it.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:57 AM Craig Baird 
mailto:cr...@xpressweb.com>> wrote:
I was afraid that would be the case. I guess I'll probably have to pitch the 
450i to them. Although honestly, I'm not really all that certain 900 MHz will 
even cut it. This is for the city water company. They have a well up a canyon. 
About 1/4 mile down the road, they have a cistern. They have Internet at the 
cistern and want to get it connected to the well because they want to install 
some security cameras and a DVR at the well. Problem is that there's a rock 
outcropping between the two sites. Back in my WISP days, we did 900 MHz through 
trees. But I never tried it through rock. It was finicky enough through trees, 
so I'm not sure I even want to try going through a rock/hill. I figure there 
might be some reflection off the canyon walls that might help, but for the cost 
of a 450i (especially the AP), I'm not sure I want to gamble on it. That's why 
I was hoping for a cheap solution. Maybe I'll try the eBay route and see what I 
can find.

Craig


On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 4:04 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think the 450 is all you've got.

For me, nlos isn't worth pursuing anymore. The link degrades over years as 
trees grow and there's nothing much you can do about it.  I would rather say 
"no" and pursue something else with my time.   But If I had to do 900MHz I 
think 450i is the only reasonable choice that I'm aware of.

You could hunt for old cards or old ubnt on eBay I guess.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:12:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

Is there a good source for an inexpensive, but reliable 900 MHz PtP, solution 
these days? Looking for something for a client that needs a nLOS link. All I 
can find is Cambium 450, which seems crazy expensive for what I'm looking for. 
Back in my WISP days, I seem to recall you could throw together a pretty cheap, 
reliable 900 MHz solution with Mikrotik, but it seems those have gone the way 
of the dodo. Seems UBNT doesn't sell 900 MHz stuff anymore either. Guessing the 
small band size probably made 900 MHz impractical for delivering the speeds 
generally required these days. Can anyone point me at anything?

Craig

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Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

[Mathew Howard]

You'd want PTP-450i, not PMP, which is going to be much cheaper (you'd
still be looking at over $1k for a link though).

But yeah, that doesn't sound very promising... 900mhz isn't going to go
through rock.

You should be able to get an old PMP-100 AP and SM for next to nothing if
you really want to try it.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 9:57 AM Craig Baird  wrote:

> I was afraid that would be the case. I guess I'll probably have to pitch
> the 450i to them. Although honestly, I'm not really all that certain 900
> MHz will even cut it. This is for the city water company. They have a well
> up a canyon. About 1/4 mile down the road, they have a cistern. They have
> Internet at the cistern and want to get it connected to the well because
> they want to install some security cameras and a DVR at the well. Problem
> is that there's a rock outcropping between the two sites. Back in my WISP
> days, we did 900 MHz through trees. But I never tried it through rock. It
> was finicky enough through trees, so I'm not sure I even want to try going
> through a rock/hill. I figure there might be some reflection off the canyon
> walls that might help, but for the cost of a 450i (especially the AP), I'm
> not sure I want to gamble on it. That's why I was hoping for a cheap
> solution. Maybe I'll try the eBay route and see what I can find.
>
> Craig
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 4:04 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I think the 450 is all you’ve got.
>>
>> For me, nlos isn’t worth pursuing anymore. The link degrades over years
>> as trees grow and there’s nothing much you can do about it.  I would
>> rather say “no” and pursue something else with my time.   But If I had to
>> do 900MHz I think 450i is the only reasonable choice that I’m aware of.
>>
>> You could hunt for old cards or old ubnt on eBay I guess.
>>
>> Get Outlook for iOS 
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>> cr...@xpressweb.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:12:04 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP
>>
>> Is there a good source for an inexpensive, but reliable 900 MHz PtP,
>> solution these days? Looking for something for a client that needs a nLOS
>> link. All I can find is Cambium 450, which seems crazy expensive for what
>> I'm looking for. Back in my WISP days, I seem to recall you could throw
>> together a pretty cheap, reliable 900 MHz solution with Mikrotik, but it
>> seems those have gone the way of the dodo. Seems UBNT doesn't sell 900 MHz
>> stuff anymore either. Guessing the small band size probably made 900 MHz
>> impractical for delivering the speeds generally required these days. Can
>> anyone point me at anything?
>>
>> Craig
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: 900 MHz PtP

[Scott Imhoff via AF]

Craig,

An alternative specific for the SCADA application is the cnReach radio, which 
includes a number of I/O options, industrial durability, and more appropriate 
air interface.  However, will not likely meet the capacity needs to transport 
CCTV traffic.

IIoT Wireless Communication Solutions for Critical Infrastructure 
(cambiumnetworks.com)

Scott

From: AF  On Behalf Of Craig Baird
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 9:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

I was afraid that would be the case. I guess I'll probably have to pitch the 
450i to them. Although honestly, I'm not really all that certain 900 MHz will 
even cut it. This is for the city water company. They have a well up a canyon. 
About 1/4 mile down the road, they have a cistern. They have Internet at the 
cistern and want to get it connected to the well because they want to install 
some security cameras and a DVR at the well. Problem is that there's a rock 
outcropping between the two sites. Back in my WISP days, we did 900 MHz through 
trees. But I never tried it through rock. It was finicky enough through trees, 
so I'm not sure I even want to try going through a rock/hill. I figure there 
might be some reflection off the canyon walls that might help, but for the cost 
of a 450i (especially the AP), I'm not sure I want to gamble on it. That's why 
I was hoping for a cheap solution. Maybe I'll try the eBay route and see what I 
can find.

Craig


On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 4:04 AM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think the 450 is all you've got.

For me, nlos isn't worth pursuing anymore. The link degrades over years as 
trees grow and there's nothing much you can do about it.  I would rather say 
"no" and pursue something else with my time.   But If I had to do 900MHz I 
think 450i is the only reasonable choice that I'm aware of.

You could hunt for old cards or old ubnt on eBay I guess.

Get Outlook for 
iOS

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Craig Baird mailto:cr...@xpressweb.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:12:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

Is there a good source for an inexpensive, but reliable 900 MHz PtP, solution 
these days? Looking for something for a client that needs a nLOS link. All I 
can find is Cambium 450, which seems crazy expensive for what I'm looking for. 
Back in my WISP days, I seem to recall you could throw together a pretty cheap, 
reliable 900 MHz solution with Mikrotik, but it seems those have gone the way 
of the dodo. Seems UBNT doesn't sell 900 MHz stuff anymore either. Guessing the 
small band size probably made 900 MHz impractical for delivering the speeds 
generally required these days. Can anyone point me at anything?

Craig

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[AFMUG] OT Chinese solar panels

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Looking to perhaps get a container load of solar panels from someone.  Anyone 
know that the import duties are these days?  It is a bit confusing.  Looks like 
many of the panels are coming from Vietnam these days.  

Depending on the wattage you can get in a container, I may be selling some.  Or 
we could do a coop buy.  Gotta figure out the tax and duty first.  I buy from 
China all the time so doing the whole freight forwarding and customs broker 
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Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

[Craig Baird]

I was afraid that would be the case. I guess I'll probably have to pitch
the 450i to them. Although honestly, I'm not really all that certain 900
MHz will even cut it. This is for the city water company. They have a well
up a canyon. About 1/4 mile down the road, they have a cistern. They have
Internet at the cistern and want to get it connected to the well because
they want to install some security cameras and a DVR at the well. Problem
is that there's a rock outcropping between the two sites. Back in my WISP
days, we did 900 MHz through trees. But I never tried it through rock. It
was finicky enough through trees, so I'm not sure I even want to try going
through a rock/hill. I figure there might be some reflection off the canyon
walls that might help, but for the cost of a 450i (especially the AP), I'm
not sure I want to gamble on it. That's why I was hoping for a cheap
solution. Maybe I'll try the eBay route and see what I can find.

Craig


On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 4:04 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I think the 450 is all you’ve got.
>
> For me, nlos isn’t worth pursuing anymore. The link degrades over years as
> trees grow and there’s nothing much you can do about it.  I would rather
> say “no” and pursue something else with my time.   But If I had to do
> 900MHz I think 450i is the only reasonable choice that I’m aware of.
>
> You could hunt for old cards or old ubnt on eBay I guess.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
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> cr...@xpressweb.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:12:04 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP
>
> Is there a good source for an inexpensive, but reliable 900 MHz PtP,
> solution these days? Looking for something for a client that needs a nLOS
> link. All I can find is Cambium 450, which seems crazy expensive for what
> I'm looking for. Back in my WISP days, I seem to recall you could throw
> together a pretty cheap, reliable 900 MHz solution with Mikrotik, but it
> seems those have gone the way of the dodo. Seems UBNT doesn't sell 900 MHz
> stuff anymore either. Guessing the small band size probably made 900 MHz
> impractical for delivering the speeds generally required these days. Can
> anyone point me at anything?
>
> Craig
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Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I always wanted Orthogon to do a 900 that would take up the whole band and use 
as much of it as possible.  I suggest to the early canopy crew to also give a 
full band version for rural areas but that never happened either.  

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 8:13 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

If you can live with the capacity of PMP100 they’re going to give you the most 
consistent outcome. Actually, If you can live with that low of a capacity then 
CnReach is also an option.  It can only run with very small channel sizes, but 
if whatever you’re doing works within those capacity constraints then small 
channels works in your favor with better receive sensitivity and ability to 
avoid interferers who are using bigger channels.

 

https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Cambium_Networks_data_sheet_cnReach_N550_900MHz.pdf

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 8:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

 

Yeah, as far as I know, 450i is the only thing that's still in production. 

Last I checked, all the old ubnt stuff on eBay was going for nearly as much as 
new ptp 450 anyway, so that's probably not very realistic either. 

 

The only cheap way to do it is probably to use some old pmp100 radios, but 
that's only going to get you 4mbps.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, 5:03 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  I think the 450 is all you’ve got.

   

  For me, nlos isn’t worth pursuing anymore. The link degrades over years as 
trees grow and there’s nothing much you can do about it.  I would rather say 
“no” and pursue something else with my time.   But If I had to do 900MHz I 
think 450i is the only reasonable choice that I’m aware of.

   

  You could hunt for old cards or old ubnt on eBay I guess.

   

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  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:12:04 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP 

   

  Is there a good source for an inexpensive, but reliable 900 MHz PtP, solution 
these days? Looking for something for a client that needs a nLOS link. All I 
can find is Cambium 450, which seems crazy expensive for what I'm looking for. 
Back in my WISP days, I seem to recall you could throw together a pretty cheap, 
reliable 900 MHz solution with Mikrotik, but it seems those have gone the way 
of the dodo. Seems UBNT doesn't sell 900 MHz stuff anymore either. Guessing the 
small band size probably made 900 MHz impractical for delivering the speeds 
generally required these days. Can anyone point me at anything? 

   

  Craig

   

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Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

[dmmoffett]

If you can live with the capacity of PMP100 they’re going to give you the most 
consistent outcome. Actually, If you can live with that low of a capacity then 
CnReach is also an option.  It can only run with very small channel sizes, but 
if whatever you’re doing works within those capacity constraints then small 
channels works in your favor with better receive sensitivity and ability to 
avoid interferers who are using bigger channels.

 

https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Cambium_Networks_data_sheet_cnReach_N550_900MHz.pdf

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 8:46 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

 

Yeah, as far as I know, 450i is the only thing that's still in production. 

Last I checked, all the old ubnt stuff on eBay was going for nearly as much as 
new ptp 450 anyway, so that's probably not very realistic either. 

 

The only cheap way to do it is probably to use some old pmp100 radios, but 
that's only going to get you 4mbps.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, 5:03 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I think the 450 is all you’ve got.

 

For me, nlos isn’t worth pursuing anymore. The link degrades over years as 
trees grow and there’s nothing much you can do about it.  I would rather say 
“no” and pursue something else with my time.   But If I had to do 900MHz I 
think 450i is the only reasonable choice that I’m aware of.

 

You could hunt for old cards or old ubnt on eBay I guess.

 

Get Outlook for iOS  

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of Craig Baird mailto:cr...@xpressweb.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:12:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP 

 

Is there a good source for an inexpensive, but reliable 900 MHz PtP, solution 
these days? Looking for something for a client that needs a nLOS link. All I 
can find is Cambium 450, which seems crazy expensive for what I'm looking for. 
Back in my WISP days, I seem to recall you could throw together a pretty cheap, 
reliable 900 MHz solution with Mikrotik, but it seems those have gone the way 
of the dodo. Seems UBNT doesn't sell 900 MHz stuff anymore either. Guessing the 
small band size probably made 900 MHz impractical for delivering the speeds 
generally required these days. Can anyone point me at anything? 

 

Craig

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, as far as I know, 450i is the only thing that's still in production.

Last I checked, all the old ubnt stuff on eBay was going for nearly as much
as new ptp 450 anyway, so that's probably not very realistic either.

The only cheap way to do it is probably to use some old pmp100 radios, but
that's only going to get you 4mbps.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2022, 5:03 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I think the 450 is all you’ve got.
>
> For me, nlos isn’t worth pursuing anymore. The link degrades over years as
> trees grow and there’s nothing much you can do about it.  I would rather
> say “no” and pursue something else with my time.   But If I had to do
> 900MHz I think 450i is the only reasonable choice that I’m aware of.
>
> You could hunt for old cards or old ubnt on eBay I guess.
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
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> cr...@xpressweb.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:12:04 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP
>
> Is there a good source for an inexpensive, but reliable 900 MHz PtP,
> solution these days? Looking for something for a client that needs a nLOS
> link. All I can find is Cambium 450, which seems crazy expensive for what
> I'm looking for. Back in my WISP days, I seem to recall you could throw
> together a pretty cheap, reliable 900 MHz solution with Mikrotik, but it
> seems those have gone the way of the dodo. Seems UBNT doesn't sell 900 MHz
> stuff anymore either. Guessing the small band size probably made 900 MHz
> impractical for delivering the speeds generally required these days. Can
> anyone point me at anything?
>
> Craig
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Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

[Adam Moffett]

I think the 450 is all you’ve got.

For me, nlos isn’t worth pursuing anymore. The link degrades over years as 
trees grow and there’s nothing much you can do about it.  I would rather say 
“no” and pursue something else with my time.   But If I had to do 900MHz I 
think 450i is the only reasonable choice that I’m aware of.

You could hunt for old cards or old ubnt on eBay I guess.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: AF  on behalf of Craig Baird 

Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2022 2:12:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PtP

Is there a good source for an inexpensive, but reliable 900 MHz PtP, solution 
these days? Looking for something for a client that needs a nLOS link. All I 
can find is Cambium 450, which seems crazy expensive for what I'm looking for. 
Back in my WISP days, I seem to recall you could throw together a pretty cheap, 
reliable 900 MHz solution with Mikrotik, but it seems those have gone the way 
of the dodo. Seems UBNT doesn't sell 900 MHz stuff anymore either. Guessing the 
small band size probably made 900 MHz impractical for delivering the speeds 
generally required these days. Can anyone point me at anything?

Craig

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