Re: [AFMUG] Pot

[Ken Hohhof]

https://soundcloud.com/double-rr-studios/first-american-bank-grandmas-pot

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 1:31 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

Id love to be on ADHD meds, but that prescription availability/price is a crazy 
risk. Folks find themselves doing wildly insane things when their meds suddenly 
cant be refilled, like butchering their family. 

 

As for the prescribed pot BS, I have found that most of the people with a 
medical card didnt get it from their primary physician, they went to a mill doc 
and got the bought card. They have all kinds of reasons why they cant use the 
non intoxicating variants. Truth is theyre simply potheads with a get out of 
jail free card who its best to find any of the other reasons you can find to 
terminate their employment. Most of these types, its not hard to find a reason 
thats not related to their dependence on a weed.

 

On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 1:34 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

People who take Vyvanse or even the generic equivalent probably wish they could 
make their own.  It ain’t cheap.

 

I thought we were now out of the 6 months exclusivity that the first generic 
gets, but the price hasn’t come down, and there are still shortages.  
Supposedly demand was up because people without any particular condition take 
it as kind of a performance enhancing drug.

 

If it works for someone’s ADHD symptoms, then you don’t want to be unable to 
refill your prescription and go back to feeling like a 4th of July fireworks 
show inside your brain.  Oddly, people with ADHD can also be somewhat autistic, 
they can go down a rabbit hole focusing on one thing for hours, but they can’t 
multitask because of all the mental distractions.  SQUIRREL!

 

Sometimes I suspect social media is giving everybody the equivalent of ADHD.  I 
have 5 things to do today.  Oh, look, Facebook.  Tiktok.  Texts.  Now where did 
the day go?

 

It makes me feel like a drug dealer selling Internet.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 12:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

After my last meth lab blew up my motor home, I quit doing it.  

 

 

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com   

Sent: Monday, May 6, 2024 11:07 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

I started on lisdexamfetamine recently.  My productivity is much higher.  My 
focus still drifts elsewhere, but I find I recenter on my main task more 
quickly.

 

ADHD is profoundly genetic by the way.  If your son has it then you or his 
mother does.  The current thinking is that it’s so widespread because it’s a 
survival adaptation which happens to not always fit well into the structures of 
our modern life.  A study in Kenya compared a nomadic population with a settled 
one.  The genes responsible are well known, so they could identify who in each 
population had them and compare their outcomes.  Among the settled population 
the kids with ADHD genes had worse grades in school, and the adults were less 
well nourished.  Among the hunter-gatherer nomads, the people with ADHD genes 
were more well nourished.  

 

We probably shouldn’t medicate kids for it as much as we do, but I’m saying in 
my case a little bump of amphetamine in the morning does me good.  

 

-Adam

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2024 3:50 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

OK, looking at it another way. Some people need meds to be normal. My son has a 
prescription for lisdexamfetamine because he has ADHD. He's not impaired, and 
it's not like he's a meth head.

That said, I can see a problem if your employee wants to smoke a joint in the 
workplace. Bigtime secondhand smoke problem. And if you don't want him 
operating machinery or vehicles, your insurance company would probably agree.

Has he asked to bring his emotional support alligator to work yet?

 Original Message 
From: "Jan-GAMs" 
Sent: 5/3/2024 2:20:33 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

First I would ask for the Dr. to call me.  2nd I would suspend the employee 
until the Dr. calls me.  It could be a type of pot that doesn't impair but I 
wouldn't want to take the chance.  Third, I'd find someone not impaired and 
have them do the job.  Put the doper in charge of a broom until layoff time.

On 5/3/24 09:40, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

Darrin makes me think of Samantha oh, Samantha...

 

 

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Friday, May 3, 2024 10:21 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot

 

My google-foo says it can be:

Kevin
Ken
Gary
Terry

but I like Darren too.

 

bp


On 5/3/2024 9:09 

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Reminds me of a tech that took care of railroad switching.  He said that the 
only thing that crossing arms mean is that if they are down, a train might be 
coming.  Otherwise they indicate nothing of value.  Meaning of course, that you 
can never trust them if they are up.  



From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 1:38 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

My first job out of college was at the GTE equivalent of Western Electric, 
designing factory test equipment. I remember they had a way of teaching newbies 
to never rely on the absence of an indication (no news is good news).

There was a box in the lab labelled "fuse tester", with a fuse holder, a 
button, and a light labelled "fuse blown". So someone would put a good fuse in 
the holder, and nothing would happen. Nobody was satisfied with that, so even 
the pushbutton was not labelled, they would push it. And of course then the 
"fuse blown" light would come on.

 Original Message 
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: 5/9/2024 1:44:17 PM
To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

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As far as something newer/better than SNMP, there is Netconf (RFC6241).  In a 
nutshell, it uses HTTP to carry XML data with the queries and commands.  It’s 
“push” rather than “pull”, so you put the NMS URL in the device rather than 
adding every device to the NMS.  In theory, if your NMS server blows up you can 
stand up a new one on the same IP address and all the devices start talking to 
it like nothing happened.  And (hopefully) your devices can get the NMS URL via 
a DHCP option or RADIUS attribute or whatever so you don’t actually have to 
enter it on every device.  It’s also supposed to be lighter on the network and 
lighter on the devices because they don’t have to provide every value in every 
polling interval; they can just update the NMS with whatever changed from the 
previous interval.

 

So there are a lot of positive aspects to the new way, but the problem is SNMP 
has been around for over 3 decades and you have a huge installed base of 
software and hardware using it.  I believe Nokia (Altiplano) uses Netconf, and 
I know the Telrad LTE stuff did as well…..and in both cases they chose NOT to 
implement SNMP on the device at all.  Nokia, I believe, provides some kind 
middleware so you can have a machine taking SNMP queries and translating it to 
talk to the NetConf server.  I’m fuzzy on that piece because I’ve only seen 
Powerpoint about it.  Telrad just said screw SNMP.  My point being that the two 
Netconf implementations I know about both opted for Netconf only, rather than 
keeping SNMP for backward compatibility.

 

 

 

Email alerts sounds like the easy way up until it doesn’t work.  It seems like 
these days you always run into anti-spam features.  I’d suggest if you do that 
you have the device send from an email address on the same domain and same host 
as your company email and ask the provider to (1) exempt that sender from spam 
and virus scanning, (2) dev/null any incoming mail for that address, and (3) 
set the password to never expire.  Optionally (4) have them only accept mail 
from that sender if it comes from your IP addresses.   If it accepts incoming 
mail you’ll eventually end up with infinite gigs of backscatter.  Also, fully 
expect your IT people to delete that account sometimes.  This may sound stupid, 
but it happens. Some well meaning new guy will review email accounts and find 
this one account that nobody has ever logged into and delete it assuming it’s a 
dead account.  Oh….write down the password somewhere because you’ll need to set 
in every device and you’ll need to be able to put it back in when the new IT 
guy deletes it.  If you ever have to reset it then obviously you have to touch 
every device to update them.

 

If they’ll let you send without auth that avoids any password related 
hardships, but then item (4) in my list is no longer optional.  

 

You’ll have to cope with all the same issues when your NMS sends email, but you 
cope with it on one server instead of 1000 devices.

 

My final comment about email alerts is you don’t know when they stop working.  
If the NMS can’t poll the device with SNMP you’ll get an alert about that, but 
if the device can’t send an email that looks the same as if there just aren’t 
any problems right now.  You’ll find out when something bad happens and you 
realize you didn’t get the alert.

 

So yeah…..SNMP is what I’d do.  Maybe Netconf someday when there’s wider 
support for it.

 

For reading dry contacts with SNMP I certainly like Packetflux, and we bought 
lots of SiteMonitors in our WISP days.  There’s also controlbyweb.com, 
sometimes they typically cost more than a SiteMonitor, but sometimes they’ll 
have one box that gives you the right mix of contacts whereas you needed a 

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Ken Hohhof]

My first job out of college was at the GTE equivalent of Western Electric, 
designing factory test equipment. I remember they had a way of teaching newbies 
to never rely on the absence of an indication (no news is good news).There was 
a box in the lab labelled "fuse tester", with a fuse holder, a button, and a 
light labelled "fuse blown". So someone would put a good fuse in the holder, 
and nothing would happen. Nobody was satisfied with that, so even the 
pushbutton was not labelled, they would push it. And of course then the "fuse 
blown" light would come on. Original Message From: 
dmmoffett@gmail.comSent: 5/9/2024 1:44:17 PMTo: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users 
Group'" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMPAs far as something newer/better than SNMP, 
there is Netconf (RFC6241).? In a nutshell, it uses HTTP to carry XML data with 
the queries and commands.? It?s ?push? rather than ?pull?, so you put the NMS 
URL in the device rather than adding every device to the NMS.? In theory, if 
your NMS server blows up you can stand up a new one on the same IP address and 
all the devices start talking to it like nothing happened. ?And (hopefully) 
your devices can get the NMS URL via a DHCP option or RADIUS attribute or 
whatever so you don?t actually have to enter it on every device.? It?s also 
supposed to be lighter on the network and lighter on the devices because they 
don?t have to provide every value in every polling interval; they can just 
update the NMS with whatever changed from the previous interval.?So there are a 
lot of positive aspects to the new way, but the problem is SNMP has been around 
for over 3 decades and you have a huge installed base of software and hardware 
using it. ?I believe Nokia (Altiplano) uses Netconf, and I know the Telrad LTE 
stuff did as well?..and in both cases they chose NOT to implement SNMP on the 
device at all.? Nokia, I believe, provides some kind middleware so you can have 
a machine taking SNMP queries and translating it to talk to the NetConf 
server.? I?m fuzzy on that piece because I?ve only seen Powerpoint about it.? 
Telrad just said screw SNMP.? My point being that the two Netconf 
implementations I know about both opted for Netconf only, rather than keeping 
SNMP for backward compatibility.???Email alerts sounds like the easy way up 
until it doesn?t work.? It seems like these days you always run into anti-spam 
features.? I?d suggest if you do that you have the device send from an email 
address on the same domain and same host as your company email and ask the 
provider to (1) exempt that sender from spam and virus scanning, (2) dev/null 
any incoming mail for that address, and (3) set the password to never expire.? 
Optionally (4) have them only accept mail from that sender if it comes from 
your IP addresses. ??If it accepts incoming mail you?ll eventually end up with 
infinite gigs of backscatter.? Also, fully expect your IT people to delete that 
account sometimes.? This may sound stupid, but it happens. Some well meaning 
new guy will review email accounts and find this one account that nobody has 
ever logged into and delete it assuming it?s a dead account.? Oh?.write down 
the password somewhere because you?ll need to set in every device and you?ll 
need to be able to put it back in when the new IT guy deletes it.? If you ever 
have to reset it then obviously you have to touch every device to update 
them.?If they?ll let you send without auth that avoids any password related 
hardships, but then item (4) in my list is no longer optional.? ?You?ll have to 
cope with all the same issues when your NMS sends email, but you cope with it 
on one server instead of 1000 devices.?My final comment about email alerts is 
you don?t know when they stop working.? If the NMS can?t poll the device with 
SNMP you?ll get an alert about that, but if the device can?t send an email that 
looks the same as if there just aren?t any problems right now.? You?ll find out 
when something bad happens and you realize you didn?t get the alert.?So 
yeah?..SNMP is what I?d do.? Maybe Netconf someday when there?s wider support 
for it.?For reading dry contacts with SNMP I certainly like Packetflux, and we 
bought lots of SiteMonitors in our WISP days.? There?s also controlbyweb.com, 
sometimes they typically cost more than a SiteMonitor, but sometimes they?ll 
have one box that gives you the right mix of contacts whereas you needed a 
Sitemonitor + Expansion to get the same thing with Packetflux.? ??-Adam???From: 
AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AFSent: Wednesday, 
May 08, 2024 5:42 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: 
chuck@go-mtc.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP?I think the simple email alert is 
what we are looking for..? No NMS needed.? ???From: castarritt Sent: Wednesday, 
May 8, 2024 3:33 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 
SNMP?We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm 
contacts and monitoring its IP address to see when 

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[dmmoffett]

As far as something newer/better than SNMP, there is Netconf (RFC6241).  In a 
nutshell, it uses HTTP to carry XML data with the queries and commands.  It’s 
“push” rather than “pull”, so you put the NMS URL in the device rather than 
adding every device to the NMS.  In theory, if your NMS server blows up you can 
stand up a new one on the same IP address and all the devices start talking to 
it like nothing happened.  And (hopefully) your devices can get the NMS URL via 
a DHCP option or RADIUS attribute or whatever so you don’t actually have to 
enter it on every device.  It’s also supposed to be lighter on the network and 
lighter on the devices because they don’t have to provide every value in every 
polling interval; they can just update the NMS with whatever changed from the 
previous interval.

 

So there are a lot of positive aspects to the new way, but the problem is SNMP 
has been around for over 3 decades and you have a huge installed base of 
software and hardware using it.  I believe Nokia (Altiplano) uses Netconf, and 
I know the Telrad LTE stuff did as well…..and in both cases they chose NOT to 
implement SNMP on the device at all.  Nokia, I believe, provides some kind 
middleware so you can have a machine taking SNMP queries and translating it to 
talk to the NetConf server.  I’m fuzzy on that piece because I’ve only seen 
Powerpoint about it.  Telrad just said screw SNMP.  My point being that the two 
Netconf implementations I know about both opted for Netconf only, rather than 
keeping SNMP for backward compatibility.

 

 

 

Email alerts sounds like the easy way up until it doesn’t work.  It seems like 
these days you always run into anti-spam features.  I’d suggest if you do that 
you have the device send from an email address on the same domain and same host 
as your company email and ask the provider to (1) exempt that sender from spam 
and virus scanning, (2) dev/null any incoming mail for that address, and (3) 
set the password to never expire.  Optionally (4) have them only accept mail 
from that sender if it comes from your IP addresses.   If it accepts incoming 
mail you’ll eventually end up with infinite gigs of backscatter.  Also, fully 
expect your IT people to delete that account sometimes.  This may sound stupid, 
but it happens. Some well meaning new guy will review email accounts and find 
this one account that nobody has ever logged into and delete it assuming it’s a 
dead account.  Oh….write down the password somewhere because you’ll need to set 
in every device and you’ll need to be able to put it back in when the new IT 
guy deletes it.  If you ever have to reset it then obviously you have to touch 
every device to update them.

 

If they’ll let you send without auth that avoids any password related 
hardships, but then item (4) in my list is no longer optional.  

 

You’ll have to cope with all the same issues when your NMS sends email, but you 
cope with it on one server instead of 1000 devices.

 

My final comment about email alerts is you don’t know when they stop working.  
If the NMS can’t poll the device with SNMP you’ll get an alert about that, but 
if the device can’t send an email that looks the same as if there just aren’t 
any problems right now.  You’ll find out when something bad happens and you 
realize you didn’t get the alert.

 

So yeah…..SNMP is what I’d do.  Maybe Netconf someday when there’s wider 
support for it.

 

For reading dry contacts with SNMP I certainly like Packetflux, and we bought 
lots of SiteMonitors in our WISP days.  There’s also controlbyweb.com, 
sometimes they typically cost more than a SiteMonitor, but sometimes they’ll 
have one box that gives you the right mix of contacts whereas you needed a 
Sitemonitor + Expansion to get the same thing with Packetflux.   

 

-Adam

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2024 5:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for..  No NMS needed.  

 

 

 

From: castarritt 

Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

 

We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm contacts 
and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes down.  These 
days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC shelf that has 
alarm monitoring inputs.

 

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If 
necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.

 

Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA 
rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That sounds 
like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe 1999.  I 
don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC 

Re: [AFMUG] Pot

[Steve Jones]

Id love to be on ADHD meds, but that prescription availability/price is a
crazy risk. Folks find themselves doing wildly insane things when their
meds suddenly cant be refilled, like butchering their family.

As for the prescribed pot BS, I have found that most of the people with a
medical card didnt get it from their primary physician, they went to a mill
doc and got the bought card. They have all kinds of reasons why they cant
use the non intoxicating variants. Truth is theyre simply potheads with a
get out of jail free card who its best to find any of the other reasons you
can find to terminate their employment. Most of these types, its not hard
to find a reason thats not related to their dependence on a weed.

On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 1:34 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> People who take Vyvanse or even the generic equivalent probably wish they
> could make their own.  It ain’t cheap.
>
>
>
> I thought we were now out of the 6 months exclusivity that the first
> generic gets, but the price hasn’t come down, and there are still
> shortages.  Supposedly demand was up because people without any particular
> condition take it as kind of a performance enhancing drug.
>
>
>
> If it works for someone’s ADHD symptoms, then you don’t want to be unable
> to refill your prescription and go back to feeling like a 4th of July
> fireworks show inside your brain.  Oddly, people with ADHD can also be
> somewhat autistic, they can go down a rabbit hole focusing on one thing for
> hours, but they can’t multitask because of all the mental distractions.
> SQUIRREL!
>
>
>
> Sometimes I suspect social media is giving everybody the equivalent of
> ADHD.  I have 5 things to do today.  Oh, look, Facebook.  Tiktok.  Texts.
> Now where did the day go?
>
>
>
> It makes me feel like a drug dealer selling Internet.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Monday, May 6, 2024 12:57 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pot
>
>
>
> After my last meth lab blew up my motor home, I quit doing it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 6, 2024 11:07 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pot
>
>
>
> I started on lisdexamfetamine recently.  My productivity is much higher.
> My focus still drifts elsewhere, but I find I recenter on my main task more
> quickly.
>
>
>
> ADHD is profoundly genetic by the way.  If your son has it then you or his
> mother does.  The current thinking is that it’s so widespread because it’s
> a survival adaptation which happens to not always fit well into the
> structures of our modern life.  A study in Kenya compared a nomadic
> population with a settled one.  The genes responsible are well known, so
> they could identify who in each population had them and compare their
> outcomes.  Among the settled population the kids with ADHD genes had worse
> grades in school, and the adults were less well nourished.  Among the
> hunter-gatherer nomads, the people with ADHD genes were more well
> nourished.
>
>
>
> We probably shouldn’t medicate kids for it as much as we do, but I’m
> saying in my case a little bump of amphetamine in the morning does me
> good.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, May 03, 2024 3:50 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pot
>
>
>
> OK, looking at it another way. Some people need meds to be normal. My son
> has a prescription for lisdexamfetamine because he has ADHD. He's not
> impaired, and it's not like he's a meth head.
>
> That said, I can see a problem if your employee wants to smoke a joint in
> the workplace. Bigtime secondhand smoke problem. And if you don't want him
> operating machinery or vehicles, your insurance company would probably
> agree.
>
> Has he asked to bring his emotional support alligator to work yet?
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Jan-GAMs"
> Sent: 5/3/2024 2:20:33 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pot
>
> First I would ask for the Dr. to call me.  2nd I would suspend the
> employee until the Dr. calls me.  It could be a type of pot that doesn't
> impair but I wouldn't want to take the chance.  Third, I'd find someone not
> impaired and have them do the job.  Put the doper in charge of a broom
> until layoff time.
>
> On 5/3/24 09:40, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Darrin makes me think of Samantha oh, Samantha...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 3, 2024 10:21 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pot
>
>
>
> My google-foo says it can be:
>
> Kevin
> Ken
> Gary
> Terry
>
> but I like Darren too.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 5/3/2024 9:09 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} @font-face {font-family:"Cambria
> Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}@font-face {font-family:calibri;
> panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}@font-face {font-family:aptos;}@font-face
> {font-family:tahoma; 

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Steve Jones]

Librenms is the easiest NMS to set up, its a pita to add OIDs to it outside
the learning curve. SNMPc from castlerock was the best for responsive snmp
monitoring, could execute all kinds of stuff based on snmpc conditions, the
dude could probably be set up somewhat similar. I despise
proprietary monitoring from vendors device families because they end
support on long life products. NMS snmp monitoring is my
preferred solution, only one communications channel to ensure it is
functioning properly and only one alert channel to maintain. Every time I
come across something proprietary i try to tell it to get off my lawn

site monitors are good contact monitors, simple, but the oid structure is a
little archaic since you have to add the index for each module, but
theyre like a fat girl, ugly but reliable as hell and always there at
dinnertime. We used to use the site monitor input 2 to monitor for voltage.
had power supply that was generator only, so we would get an alert when it
ran the monthly test and put power to that input and when sites would lose
power and go on generator.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 1:45 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> We are needing to add some monitoring of old fashioned alarm contacts in
> one of our sites.  In the past I used Netguardians.  Not sure what Forrest
> has.
>
> Is SNMP still the defacto NMS comm method or are there better more modern
> stuff out there we should be looking at?
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Chuck McCown
>
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> 801-250-9503 Office
> 435-830-4306 Cell
> www.mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench.pro
> www.terabitnetworks.com
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Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Don’t forget Zabbix, free and can do virtually anything if you put your mind to 
it.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ryan Ray
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 12:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

SNMP is still pretty much the de-facto monitoring standard. Going to run 
through a demo of this in a week. Looking forward to seeing what it can do. 
https://imsva91-ctp.trendmicro.com:443/wis/clicktime/v1/query?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.selector.ai=E6428FBC-1804-A506-A041-AFF83B7DD506=079c058f437b7c6303d36c6513e5e8848d0c5ac4-fe4d728472928f532fb6e0e8cb07fa811fd8ccd6

For your needs, you should use Zabbix. I think it's going to be supported for a 
long time going into the future, it has good integrations with things like 
Grafana so you can make your graphs all pretty. The alarming system is good.

It's free, but you might need to go and find someone to build you templates if 
you don't want to spend the time doing it yourself. You should collect all your 
devices, find the MIB's for them, then in plain language enter what you want to 
report from each device. Get the devices on a network where your contractor can 
reach them, and have them build the templates for you.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote:
20 years ago we used stuff from a weird little company called BlackBox for 
remote monitoring and control.  Looks like they still exist and make kind of 
what Chuck is looking for, probably overkill though.

https://www.blackbox.com/en-in/products/by-technology/networking-solutions/alertwerks-iot-solutions


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 5:54 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

Bash it is!

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 5:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for..  No NMS needed.



From: castarritt
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm contacts 
and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes down.  These 
days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC shelf that has 
alarm monitoring inputs.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote:
As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If 
necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.

Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA 
rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That sounds 
like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe 1999.  I 
don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a little contact 
monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but the 
way this happens varies between devices.

My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has 
traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when to 
send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is obviously 
easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus you need 
additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and 24.1 and you 
have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every time it flaps to 
24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older hardware just because of 
code space limitations.

The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been 
completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor system, 
how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this point.   The 
email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some sort of email 
server resources for those who don't have an email system which will accept 
email from random devices.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof 
mailto:khoh...@kwom.com>> wrote:
Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.

Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that an 
SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls every 
1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by email or 
text message.

I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip 
points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage at 
the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than 2 
minutes.

 Original Message 
From: "Chuck McCown via AF"
Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm